Not Skinny But Not Fat - Live from the #FreeBritney Courtroom w/ Jared Lipscomb

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

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my mom would crack up and made her so happy. And she's like, wait, is he really? She thought it was for real. Like, I hired you and like, oh, no, no, I just fully decided. I, like, DM'd you and I was like, a man, I'm going in. Like, I'm your man on the ground. And then I just started calling everyone not skinny but not fatters. And now I've just made myself your personal Britney Spears man on the ground.

Well, I love it. And I feel like I was, you know, I even told you, like, always loved Brittany. always obsessed and so late in the game to really understand what the conservatorship is. I even had a flashback this morning that maybe it was two years ago, I was still having trouble pronouncing conservatorship. Like, I feel like I took like an hour to be like conservatorship. Like it was, it's a, it's not a word you like learn in school. You know what I mean?

I don't know. It was, it was pretty hard for me or I'm a fucking dumb ass. but you really enlightened me. We did. I think this will be our third podcast together. We did two. We did a Britney free Britney part one, part two. And when we did that,

which by the way, you guys should go back and listen to it, like, I'm sorry all the fucking specials out there. Not to toot our own horns or more like your horn. You basically covered everything. Like, so you know what?

Let's start. You were in the courtroom, which is, you know, most important. We got a verdict. We have so much hope. But I want to start. from the beginning because what do you think about all these documentaries coming out? We had the FX that was also on Hulu presented by the New York Times, two-parter.

We had CNN, Netflix. I'm torn because on one hand, we did hear, I like, you know me. Like, remember our first deep dives? I always told you, you were like, listen, there's so many conspiracy theories you would say to me, but you're like, let's stay with the facts. Like, let's stay with what we know. And that's what I like. So I'm listening to Brittany's voice, which is the.

recording we heard when she made the statement to the judge. And she said, I want the role to know. I don't want this to be a hush out secret. So should we be looking at all these documentaries in a positive way? Because now the world knows. You know, I think the documentaries are a complex issue just because it does, what is that, balance is a fine line between exploitation of Britney's past traumas and then also informing, because like you said, you were late to this game. just because you didn't know, and you were a fan of Britney Spears. So there is benefit to these documentaries being shown to a population who's not familiar with the absolute insanity.

I mean, like, Britney's room being bugged by her father, you know, all these insane things that are verified and fact-checked by a credible source like New York Times. When you start getting to like the CNN specials and like the 45-minute specials, that's where it gets a little murky because they will grab kind of, you know, any screenshot, any video footage and just kind of piece together. So those are a little less, you know, powerful. But I will say out of like the documentaries that we just got bombarded with, the only one to be mentioned in court by Brittany's attorney

was the New York Times documentary and the New York Times piece. So to me, I feel like out of all of those, Brittany would probably appreciate that one the most because of the whistleblower, you know, Alex Blasov, the guy from the security company who said, who revealed all the deep dark secrets. So that's the only one that's being used in court case. So that, to me, makes me feel like very confident knowing that Britney is aware of at least that documentary and supports that one because she's allowing her lawyer to use it in her defense, you know?

I got a bunch of DMs, not that, you know, my followers hunches mean anything. Sorry, guys. No, but I'm saying it doesn't, but obviously it stuck with me. A lot of people didn't trust that guy, the Alex guy from the security company. People had a weird feeling. They were like, should we trust him? Should we not trust him? Oh, interesting. Yeah. Did you trust him right off the bat, like seeing his interviews? I did only because I know the amount of source verification that the New York Times has to go through to be able to vet a source. So for me, that was enough. And also it aligns with a lot of what Brittany was saying. And it also aligns with some of the weird things like how did Britney, you know, when Brittany wanted to remove herself back in 2009 and they were able to intercept all these types of things that were happening, it kind of just is like, well, it makes a little bit of sense. Also,

I know we kind of say in the Free Brittany movement and everyone's like, stay vigilant. Don't trust anyone. But you have to trust somebody. You know what I mean? I know. I was saying this to, you know, my mom or something, like trying to explain to her. Like, she has no one that she can trust, like, you know, the Netflix special, the thing that I found the most shocking. And the other thing that's kind of annoying about these documentaries and all of them coming out at the same time, aside from, obviously, the exploitation and even Sam, her boyfriend put up, like, who is this benefiting? Was that the Rolling Stone journalist met her in the bathroom, which allegedly Sam Lofti and Adnan, like, helped set up, you know, and gave her the

court documents to sign that she wants a petition to hire her own attorney because she was so unhappy with Sam Ingham. And it also opened my eyes, I think, for the first time to a, what fucking, like, movie is that? Like, that's a film, right? I mean, a thriller. Yeah. Like, thinking of Brittany, like, that I was, like, legit picturing the whole thing. Britney in the, in the so house, not so house, what was that, the Beverly Hills Hotel?

The montage. It's like sitting in the pool, the girl walks by, eyes her, they meet in the bathroom. She signs. But to me, it was also, like, so interesting. innocent almost because she got to know the first time. So like, why did they think anything would be different? The second time, that's the thing. This whole thing is so crazy. And I think, again, the deep dives that we did and you telling me, Amanda, she's under this conservatorship. She has no, you know, power to do anything yet. She's working and she's making millions and millions of

dollars. I think it took me some time to comprehend, like, how big of a deal just that is. Like, You know, when they showed us that what a conservatorship is, we see like a grandma, like a hundred and three years old being fed pudding, like can't eat her pudding, like that's literally who should be conserved versus like an international pop star that may or may not have like had some, you know, mental health stuff, had some substance abuse. Well, I will say in court yesterday, they did refer to her mental health status. Her attorney said, you know, having her father stay on would affect her mental health. they reference the psychiatrist that she sees saying that the psychiatrist agrees that it would

damage her mental health. And then Jamie Spears's attorney had the audacity to offhandedly refer to Brittany as a mentally disabled adult, which has been kind of their, you know, that's been their stick. And that's been kind of their, I mean, obviously it's murky because they, the files that we see now, they are marking dementia. Then in the document, it's all about drug testing and like she's an addict and needs to be controlled from outside influences, but that doesn't go with the dementia diagnosis. And now we have, you know, like, now his attorney is claiming in court the day that he's getting suspended that she's a mentally disabled adult. It's just too much. You know, we know that she's got a mental health issue, but clearly nothing that that warrants this

kind of control. I mean, no one deserves this kind of control, even a prisoner. So was this all greed? Do you think, Jared? Do you think this was all her father, who we know already, was not even earned a fucking life, was in and out, was an alcoholic, wasn't really present, she didn't have like a great relationship with him. Was this all because her father wanted to get a hold of her money? I mean, the more it goes on, the stronger it appears that way. I mean, what else can it be? Why would he fight so tooth and nail to stay on? In court yesterday, his own attorney said, my client has not spoken to Ms. Spears in several months. how can someone who doesn't even communicate with the conservate

insist on having full financial control? And that's what's so mind-boggling is. He was so accepting to say, okay, I don't have to be personal conservator because he knew he had that system in place. He had the security guards giving her the envelopes of drugs. He was changing her dosages. She couldn't refuse anything.

You know, there's a lot of murkiness about the conservatorship, but the Netflix documentary cleared it up with the conservatorship specialist who said, a conservate cannot refuse medication. That's a total myth to think, you know, like there's this thing like, oh, well, she's, you know, she just can't stop taking the medication. She's prescribed. And I think he just got greedier and greedier. And I think he was obviously, you know, aided by these, these other greedy people who were just doing nothing. I mean, talk about passive income.

You're putting Britney Spears out there making $80 million in a three-month tour. And you get, you know, and she gets 0.0001% of that a month. So it's just absolutely. I think it turned into greed. I mean, it's wild to think. I think, like, for people, it's so easy to say, you know, why didn't she just say something? Or why didn't she do anything? Or why didn't she, you know, refused to, to, but she even said, you know, that when she refused to do domination, you know, they sent her away right after that. And they would threaten her about the kids.

But again, like, it is so evil. Like, from what we know, there is no other way. to look at this than like evil greed you know because the facts are the facts like you said to me a hundred times she's able to work like a crazy person way more than a regular person you know works she's able to make fuck ton of money how is she fucking under this strictest conservatorship ever you know can't drive her car like i don't think it's so devastating because like as much as like we're seeing optimistic, like, future right now, he ruined her life so far. You know what I mean?

He ruined 15 years almost of the life of, like, just a gem of our nation and such a special person that nobody ever had anything bad to say about. She's just a kind, sweet person. And your own father ruins her life. And I really hope that he's, you know, she even said, she said, ma'am, they should be. in jail for what they did to me. Mm-hmm. Okay, guys, I'm a freaking genius because I came like a drinking expert.

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We have access, not like secret access or anything, but like we just have, you know, I mean, people are, we've got people who are lawyers. We've got people who know how court work. We have media people. So I just got an email from one of the people saying, can you be our representative? You know, with my history of recovering from cancer, it's not always best for me to be outside in the sun. So we're like, this is perfect. You can go, sit inside, be in the air conditioning. and you obviously are deeply invested.

So go on in. And yeah, I mean, it just said a little email you fill out. And then I got approved and got assigned a seat. And it was just like, oh, my God. And, of course, your brain starts racing. Like, is Brittany going to show up? Is this going to be the day? Because, you know, it was a huge, huge thing.

The father wanted to terminate the conservatorship. So, and it was crazy to sit there. And when they started, first of all, the most disgusting thing is the check-in at the beginning. I mean, Amanda, I have this been paid. page of notes is just everyone checking in. And it's a yellow legal pad that I just showed Amanda and it's full of names. I mean, it probably took 20 minutes just to check in all the attorneys, you know, because a lot of them were virtual. And it just made you realize every time she said another name and they were saying, present, your honor, are representing James

Spears, you know, representing. And then I realized everyone was there on Britney's fucking dime yet again. And that was the first like kickoff was just like, holy shit. why do you need all of these attorneys here? And Lynn Spears was on the call. She only said, yes, Your Honor, I'm here. James, Jamie was there? He said, yeah, yes, Your Honor, I'm here. Well, he just, his voice just radiates.

It just, it was like, it was truly wild experience just to even hear his voice in there. And then right away, Judge Penny said, Vivian, that's James's attorney. Vivian, you go first. And I was like, oh, no, because we've already been worried. that this judge is corrupt. You know, her son's been speaking out because her son's very well-known. He's a co-creator of Insecure on HBO with Issa Ray. So we were already, you know, people get very nervous when you hear like Hollywood connections, especially like, how deep does this go? You know, I don't think this, I think Britney Spears's situation is not like a Hollywood problem.

I think it's like her fucked up family and the weird religious woman, Lou Taylor, who came in that we talked about in a previous podcast and kind of brought Jamie in. Anyways, the point is all these people are here in court. And it's just, and then she lets Vivian go first. And Vivian's just like, you know, they had about 15 things to cover. And she was like, your honor. And she's such a little bitch, such a little just, I mean, anyone who can work with that much evil has to be horrible person. Right. And she said, your honor, everything would be moot if we just terminate the conservatorship today. And we're all kind of like, what? What? Exactly. And so she just carries on and she was like, it's Britney's wishes. We all, no one contested.

it. And then she tries to dig at Britney's attorney being like, Mr. Rosengart hasn't appealed to file her termination. This is what Brittany's mentioned that she wants. I mean, it was so insane. It felt like it was Brittany's attorney almost, you know, being like, what is going? Like, oh, my God, I feel like this is gaslighting. Like, oh, you want to terminate it? No, I wrote down my note. I wrote down, Vivian is a gaslighter to the court. Oh, my God. It's so crazy. Like, it's like, oh, you should have said you wanted to terminate. It was so, wow. I am fucking shook. No, it was. It was. so wild. And then when...

Oh, she said she wanted to. So let's do it. What do they think? We're fucking dumb. She said, termination is our first priority. Granted today. We can streamline all the other problems, eliminate any other needs for any

other additional conservators. And then I wrote gas-fighting Rosengart. They want to save their own ass. That's what they fucking want to do. And then she said she wants a mandatory settlement. And she said, she didn't say it like in a dramatic way. She says, this will include mediation and or a mandatory settlement, and this will minimize the expense of everyone involved.

All of a sudden now, now that Britney Spears is on a work strike, Vivian Thoreen, James Pierce's lawyers, is concerned about money. I'm fucking shook. Does it sound like to you, like, James got scared because truth came fucking out, and he's like, let's end this shit now. That's exactly what happened to Amanda, or Amanda, sorry. This story is insane. Okay, so Vivian says that and what happens next?

So then Rosengart stands up and he is just... Wait, is he so hot? Is he so hot? He is so hot, yeah. I mean, especially after hearing him speak. And I know we were kind of, like, a lot of people were tepid about him and not sure, you know, because like lawyers or lawyers, whatever, but you could really feel his prosecutor side. And I don't care about lawyers.

My sister's a lawyer, but I don't know much about it. but I do know prosecutors have this, like, desire for justice, you know? And, like, you can just sense that in him. And so he got up and said, yes, we both agree the conservators should be terminated promptly this fall. And he says, but why we are here today is to suspend James Spears. He said something very odd is going on here. And then we were all, like, looking around. Oh, by the way, I was sat next to Andrew Gallery from the Netflix documentary right next to him.

and Rachel Lindsay from the Bachelorette or Bachelor was reporting. She reports for some things. Extra. Crazy courtroom set up anyway. So we're all like looking around like what is he going to say? And then he just says he was like after the unfathomable news from the New York Times. And he says, we've had a whistleblower. You know, he brings all this up.

And then Vivian basically goes into like this court. She, you know, he just says we can't suspend after everything we hear. he kept saying this too. He says, Britney Spears cannot wake up tomorrow with her father still as a conservatorship. It is a detriment to her mental health. This is what he addressed her mental health. And then he references the people who've agreed with him, including Jody Montgomery, who is the conservator of her person, who's been the temporary conservator since James had to step down because of the whole kid's situation. And then he brought up, he says, I, oh, it was so iconic, Amanda. Oh, my God. He says, now I'm not familiar as a. much as all of you, Ms. Therine as the, you know, the probate court with conservatorships. But is there precedent for a conservatorship of a conservate with a, you know, however many million dollar estate, asset estate to have a restraining order against not just an anonymous third party, but the child of the conservate. Is there precedent for that? You could hear a pin drop.

So, of course, Vivian gets in. And Vivian just attacks. And she attacks Rosengarde. She's like, You don't know, you know, just little digs. I mean, I'm making everything sound so much bigger because it's so quiet and you're just so hyper-focused on every little syllable in detail. But she's basically attacking him being like, yeah, you don't really know the court. You know, you're a stranger to the court. This is her big argument is everyone, like if we brought in new conservators, which happened yesterday, it's a stranger to the court, to the honored court, to the esteemed court. It's a stranger. How can we trust this person?

And his argument was basically, how can we not? compared to who we have had running this show. And then Vivian has the audacity to say, yes, she says, James Spears has managed Brittany's personal and professional life for 13 years pristinely and without any flaws or mistakes. And of course, Rosengart says he rebuttles. And this was another poignant moment. The man is poignant. I got to say this and he's passionate and he's poignant. And his rebuttal is this. He says, Your Honor, I have noticed two words that have not been mentioned from the conservators side. And he goes, I don't care. She can attack me all she wants. I can take it. He said that. Oh, God, chills down my spine. He says, you're not going to

attack my clients. And we're also forgetting two words, best interest. And everyone, again, I mean, every time he spoke, it was like, and he knew, you know, he's like a prosecutor. He would turn around to us in the gallery, like we were the jury, you know, like he would do these things that were just so pro and she just can't keep up, you know, she, I don't know who she is as an attorney, but she's just kind of like an object, I agree, disagree. This is his, you know, she was starting to spiral so bad. It was so hilarious. And then she was like, well, we do, we do care. You know, she chimes and we do care about what's in the, in the conservate's best interest. Also interesting to note, Rosengarde kept saying Britney Spears, my client, Britney Spears,

while they kept dehumanizing her, referring to her as the conservate, which I think is just a interesting, you know, tidbit. Because I think that Rosengar was trying to show, like, at the end of the day, you know, the people that really need a conservatorship, like, to have a conservator that worries about their best interests. And it's so evident, obviously, that it's the opposite of fucking that. And it's so the opposite of that that they're not even able to fake it and say, like, all we care about is Brittany because they fucking don't. And even when they say it, their only argument is we had to do it to protect her from outside influences and manipulences and manipulative. and people that want to take advantage of her. Like, if that was the only concern,

then you wouldn't have made her life a living hell. If that was your only concern, then you would be like, okay, Brittany, we're just going to, you know, keep you away from the bad guys. You wouldn't let her not drive. You wouldn't let make her take pills. You wouldn't force her to work. Like, you wouldn't do all that shit.

So that's fucking bullshit. Wait, so Brittany didn't come up on video or phone or anything. She didn't. She wasn't there. He was speaking on his behalf, on her behalf. said in the court, he spoke to her just this morning. He was texting with her during it, which was also iconic to be like, when they were deciding the next date, him like, you know, tapping away on his phone to just knowing it's Britney Spears as a super fan. I was like,

this is so surreal. But yeah, it was basically a volume back and forth between her, his attorney and Rosenberg. And they were both present physically? No, only, interesting enough, only the people, there was one attorney present for Lynn Spears, although most of Lynn's attorneys were remote. Wait, why is Lynn connected to this? she's just an interested party at this point. So apparently they say she is paying her own lawyer bills. Sorry I misspoke when I said that all the lawyers were paid by Brittany. Lynn is allegedly paying her own lawyer bills. I guess that Rodan and Fields money is covering that or something. I'm not sure. Wait, but is she, do we know? Like, do we know if she's a good guy

or a bad guy? We don't. And there is a lot of, um, back and forth with the fans, like, inner movement to be like, do we support Lynn? Do we not support Lynn? I don't think we do because I think Brittany would have made us aware that I think yeah I mean my my thoughts always have said now that Britney spoke and have always gone back to Britney what Britney has said not a captioned in an Instagram post not a post because we can't trust my family she said my family and she didn't say an if and or a butt she said my fucking family and I'm with you I'm going by what Britney is saying dear women everywhere let's start a fashion revolution old Navy is changing the choppy game with body quality. Body quality means size of quality, price equality, and style for women

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I have a question. I just put it up that, um, this morning. Is Project Rose Rosengart? You know, I mean, I thought about this a lot, obviously. And our girl, she has always been cryptic and she's loved to send us messages even back in the website days. You know, we'd go to her blog and read her letters of truth. So I do believe she's cryptic in her Instagrams.

The only thing with the Project Rose is she started posting about that in September of 2020. And I just don't think at that point, I mean, think about where we were in September. of 2020. It was before she had admitted to, like, accepting the free Britney movement help. It was before Rosengarde was even an option. I mean, this was... Wait, are we sure? That's the thing. Are we sure that it was before Rosengar was on her radar? We're not... No, absolutely. Amanda, it could absolutely be something like that that they've been working on under the... And that is, again, we will have to just have confirmation from Britney herself. Yeah. It would be amazing if it was. It would be so powerful and what a story for her to

tell. Right. Because that, I feel like just that would make the most... sense because obviously we thought that it might be a Netflix special but we you know because it was like red people were like oh Netflix not that you know the Netflix saw a documentary and I think the New York Times we're using roses and I'm like don't try to

fucking take Britney's thing and like put roses in the background and try to be like it's Britney approved like you don't know because I mean not that we're going to discuss her social media but after the first part of the New York Times came out she wrote the whole post about how she hates it But, like, again, it goes back to... And then it was changed about 10 minutes later.

And it was changed and it was, are you even... I know I always see you commenting on her post and, like, you still keep it up. But, like, what are the percentages? I feel like at this point, I'm kind of like 99.9 that it's not her on her Instagram because I just think that the only time we see her for real is on, like, Sam's Instagram. Did you see her and Sam go live? did you see that little clip? I saw what you put up. I saw what you put up. Yeah. So, so that to me was really telling that it almost looked like she was like, I mean, a lot of people said this. So maybe it's like me thinking what they told me. But they were like, it's so weird. She doesn't even know like where live is on the screen and stuff. And it made me think of someone who like hasn't really had a lot of access to Instagram. Yeah. So I just feel like. But then you're like, wait, but there have been times when she did post. So then my kind of decision with my. to like not spin is like maybe she did manage to get on you know a few times and it was really

her like when she put up the story of her in a bikini being like you guys it's gotten so much better remember when she put up that story yeah yeah exactly she's like things are going so much better like that was legit but so many i had to like stop trying to you know decode my mindset and this is this will be helpful for anyone who's trying to find something out because you know a lot of people want to be a part of this movement. And anyone who is hashtag free Britney has been a part of this movement. And I'll get to her attorney what he said about the free Britney movement, which was really kind. But anyone who wants to be a part of it, think about what's actively going to help Britney in the moment. You know, analyzing her post isn't going to help her. If you want to do it for fun,

obviously you report on celebrity gossip, report away. But you're not going to get a definite answer until, you know, termination is filed on November 12. And we know that she's got full control. And it might happen even starting today now that her father's out completely suspended. She might have... Wait, do we know, because you mentioned before, okay, so let's put a label on it. James Spears is fucking gone.

Yes. Yay. Stella, we have been talking about something happening in Brittany's favor for so long. Oh, my God. And, like, the thing that had happened, I think that I was not the only one to cry tears of joy

and get so emotional because this is her number one. I feel like even for her, does she want out of the conservatorship 100% but her number one was to get him the fuck out and it was almost like a prison that you thought she could never escape from but we got

we I'm not going to take any credit she got out I'm so fucking happy that this man is going to be a way like a court decided this isn't some TMZ article this isn't fake news a court decided he is terminated immediate temente

they put in an accountant as a conservator of her estate which is fine. Accountant equals money. And Jody Montgomery is still the conservator of her person. Question, do we know, do we like? Like, I feel like she has a good relationship with Jamie, I feel like, from what I understood. So maybe we... Court yesterday has proven that the relationship between Jody and Britney's dad has deteriorated.

And Jody is completely on board with Rosengart. she gave, she gave a testimony sworn under, you know, perjury or whatever, saying that it is in best interest for Brittany to not be under the control of her father. And I think Jody was scared. She dropped her case for trying to get security. Remember, she wanted a $40,000 security detail because she felt unsafe from us free Britney, free Britney movement coming to get her. And she dropped that. She dropped all the ridiculous stuff. And she was, and then Vivian even tried to argue about Jody, who by the way is a court. appointed like conservatorship specialist is not an expert in her field. She's like, ma'am, Jody's not an expert. And the judge kept having to correct Vivian, just to point out just how stupid this woman is and how desperately they were trying to not get him suspended.

They wanted to do anything. And Rosengarde brought it up to circle back to the court of why they didn't want, why they wanted to terminate. He said, Rosengart said, if we terminate now, all everything is closed and sealed, how do we see? We need to have an orderly transition, which I know, forensic accountant could take care of it, but they really do need to follow

some sort of precedent to be sure that Brittany is set up and not fucked by the end of this whole thing. You know what I mean? I see, like, you need to prepare for it also, like with the funds and everything. Yeah. And I think she'll be prepared for life on her own because, I mean, she's a celebrity. No

celebrity lives alone at this point. You know, they have chefs. They do all that stuff. And so, I mean, I think she's already going to, you know, we'll speculate on that later. But anyways, it was just, God, I've lost my train of thought. I'm just excited, but also just like, so. Wait, did the judge decide on the spot?

Like, how did she say it? So after they were arguing, they went back and forth four times. He said, Your Honor, the last thing I would say is my abusive, cruel, and toxic. That is what my client has said of her father, the conservator. And of course, I'm like, you're toxic, I'm slipping under. And then she said, I've made my decision. I've made my decision. and my heart sunk.

And Command, I have to tell you, I was ready to go. I was ready to go to fucking jail. I was ready to go in contempt of court and like take one for the team because my, because she was like asking Rosengart like pursuant to all these like probate laws.

She's like, well, isn't the suspension? Couldn't you file the suspension based on 5160J versus 5450 that you're mentioned, you know, and he's like, yes, you're such bullshit too. He's like, yes, you're high honorable. You're so right. I should have used that. coding. And so she's kind of a no

at all, but she basically agreed with her own advice and was like, well, pursuant to code 5650J that I just mentioned, I have, you know, like, I have to suspend Janie Spears. And I was like, oh, I mean, I was getting ready to be like, I literally had it like scripted on my thing to be right.

Like, you are corrupt, like investigate Judge Penny. Like I had like no. Jared, no, you were not going to do that. Oh, absolutely Bible I was. Absolutely. I'm not working right now. What else do I have to do going on? You're like, take me away.

I am dead. Did it happen? Like, because it sounds like it wasn't a dramatic moment. It just kind of like happened or was it like, the court will now decide or was it random? It just happened. She's like, she's just like, I made my decision. And then she was like, I agree with the suspension and with the, and the, can I approve that she's like, can I approve the temporary conservative?

today. And then his lawyer was right there. Zabel's attorney was there and verified that they could, you know, take over right then and there. And then- I can't. I'm like, I'm so fucking happy. Oh my God. And you should have seen the courtroom. Everyone press, you know, we had the press running to the doors to be the first one, the exclusive that in there, you know, you have the shitty places like the blast and reputable places like CNN. And they're all just like clamoring to get to the door to get the first one. And of course, the bailiff people won't like, you know, let people out or whatever. So they have to wait if you were you guys screaming like everyone inside was there like noise and excitement and it was like an audible gas but you know you have to be very everyone didn't want to

no one want to get kicked out because like we wanted to see like if anything happening next and what you could hear which is so great is the free brittany fans walking around the courthouse chanting free brittany investigate lou taylor jail jamie spears like those kinds of things you can hear it from the courtroom because it's on the wall like an end building and it's like a gorgeous park area in downtown L.A. And so they walked around there and all of a sudden you just hear. And it was just, it's just one of those things. You're just like, holy shit. And they don't know quite yet, like the good news. So you're just like, you know, I wanted to rip my phone out and open it and just like, you guys, it happened. So it was how many hours were you in there?

I got there, you know, it started at 1.30 and I was out by, I would say, four. I did stay till very close to the bitter end because then they started to do the second half was just financial fees, which again is just so annoying. Samuel Ingham chimes in, you know, her court-appointed attorney. For some reason, he was there there. Let me tell you. He chimed in because one of the 15 things on the docket, I need my fees paid for the past three years. Loeb and lobe, which I can't remember who they are. What a turd Sam Ingham is. Oh, my God, such a turd. Loeb and lobe gets on the line. I can't remember who they even, how they're even affiliated with any of this if they're a financial institution or another attorney.

and they get on and say, oh, we're missing 80% of our payment and someone gets on and says, we don't we don't appreciate being accused of not paying on time. And then they're like, I'm not accusing you. Like, it was so much inner fighting about the money between all of these people that were all on Team Con that you could just feel the cracks of the ship, the conservatorship, just busting apart and starting to sink. It was, I mean, it was joyful. We were smiling. I mean, we were everyone in court, and every time Vivian got on, everyone's head cocked over, every sigh, gas, let out. I mean, it was just, even Judge Penny was like, what are you objecting to now? At one point, Rosengart, she objected to something ridiculous.

You know, she, oh, she wanted a continuance after the suspension. She needed a 30-day continuance for some bullshit. And at one point, Matthew got up and said, this is disrespectful. And Judge Penny, you know, she's pretty loose with Janie's team. She was like, don't interrupt her, Mr. Rosengar. And then she was like, yeah, you are disrespecting the court. Like, don't be like this, Vivian. Like, you have to accept the verdict that I gave.

And her attitude, Vivians was like, how are we going to get three years of documents to, you know? And she's like, so you're telling me I have to hand over documents for the past 13 years. Like, like, this is all new news to her. It was so wild. Like, she's truly, she went from being like the most gaslighty best attorney to being like the worst attorney. just being like, his daddy loves his little girl. Like it was just so bad.

It was so bad. Wait, I have a question, though. I don't know if this is, if this was just like TMZ, but didn't Jamie come out a few weeks ago or a month ago where he was like, you know, I'll step down if it's the best for Brittany.

So were they trying to, to get that revert? Like, did they come in? Was Vivian trying to fight for him to stay on? Well, so what Matthew Rosengar was basically getting at was when he said why Jamie needed to be suspended today is because Jamie obviously was a detriment to Britney's health, mental health, and hurting her as she explained. So their plan was to, if the conservatorship were terminated yesterday, it would not be able to, first of all, he's, he, Rosengart said to Judge Penny, you won't be able to terminate today. You know you won't be able to terminate today. Just how can you terminate a 13 year conservatorship without any plan? in place. So what that means is

everything would stay the same. And Matthew said that. He says, nothing would change. I would leave here and I would not have done my due diligence for my client, Brittany Jean Spears, who has said since 2008, that all she wants is her father to not be conservators. Right. So he

he wasn't trying to get the whole thing. He was like, let's take this win and we're going to work on the next step. Because if it was terminate the conservatorship, they'd set another court date for fucking six months from now and nothing would happen. But my question, Jared, was more like, do you remember when the articles came out and Jamie said,

I want to, you know, I will step down. Like, if it's not, you remember? Oh, yes. Before he actually admitted it, like before he filed anything. Oh, wait. So was yesterday's court date based on his filing or based on Rosengarde's filing? It was originally a Rosengart filing. And then sometime in between the TMZ press that Jamie would eventually step down.

Yeah. And Rosengarde's filing to suspend Jamie. Yeah. They did that crazy 180 where everyone was like, what the fuck? They just filed to terminate the entire conservatorship. Oh, they wanted to terminate the entire thing, I see. Right. Yeah, including all, you know, everything just be as it is.

So, you know, if any money was missing, you know, it's as it is. We're all, we're all, the books are signed and sealed delivered. And they were, I think they were really hoping that Judge Penny would kind of like side with, you know, the other judge was obviously corrupt. The one prior to her was very corrupt. The one asking about ticket sales in Las Vegas. What was her name? Riva Gets is her last name.

Ticket sales. So how are ticket sales doing? What the fuck? Yeah. Interesting. Interesting that a conservatorship judge is so curious about ticket sales. I can get out of my mind the California conservorship video that's like, conservatorships.

And you literally see 170. year old in a nursing home getting fed pudding and then your brain flashes to brittany being like you know on the fucking stage in Vegas and your brain brain flashes to the judge being like so how much money and everyone's splitting the fucking cash and it's just insanity and whatever she was going through before nothing hurt her more you know and i'm speaking on behalf of her but i feel pretty confident saying this than this conservatorship like you know we spoke about in our first deep dive you were telling me shit I didn't know that she had postpartum

depression that you know she had the two kids in such a short period of time then went through the divorce and you know allegedly Kevin was unfaithful and her aunt just died and all the shit she was going through like yeah she wasn't doing so great fucking yeah she wasn't but

I what breaks me is the harm that this conservatorship did like and moreover what we need to realize more than like oh, did this affect her mental health for sure. Is she not who she used to be because of it for sure? But let's look at it from the other ankle.

How strong is that motherfucking bitch? Thank you. Thank you, Amanda. I don't see another person being able to withstand what she has and be able to perform, like be alive, okay? Be alive. Like sustain alive, have a boyfriend, like look great, you know, like say what you Your kids, your children.

Like she is amazing. She's so strong. Another person would have not been able to handle this because this is a story that is like so wild. It's going to go down in the fucking history books and we're just going to look back and say how strong was Brittany that she got through it, that she persevered, that she stood at her ground and that she fought for her freedom. And you know what?

And the free Britney fans are so amazing. Tell me what Rosengarde said. Well, it was so sweet at the end because, you know, we, we, no one wants to take full credit for the movement. Like, even when you go up to speak and it's like, who can speak? Everyone's kind of looking around from the free-burning movement because we're all united. And, of course, I'm a big talker, so I always get voted to go up front and speak, you know, because I'll just talk to anybody. But, so it was so sweet. So he came through and, of course, I was speaking, and then the securities come through to let him up to the podium with the press and the fans and everyone.

And the reporter, I think it was Zuri Hall from, I don't know where she's from. But anyways, one of the girls in the audience said, what do you think of the free Brittany movement? And the fans, do you have any thanks for them to get, for Britney to come this far? And, you know, he turned to kind of all of us and looked around and said, you know, with, I am so appreciative of this movement. Brittany is so appreciative of this movement. And he said, the sweetest thing basically of like,

I'm so grateful that you've welcomed me in. And I'm honored to take the baton from you and pass it to the finish line. and finish it to the, or take it through to the finish line. And we were just like, oh, my God. And hearing him in court, you know, there's no, there's no need to worry about him. I know people are just like,

he is fighting for Britney Spears's rights. Watch his press conference after the, yesterday's hearing if you want to hear more of how he speaks about Britney so passionately. There's just nothing to worry about with him. And that makes me really excited. Finally, because another thing that was so important to her, and this is another thing that we,

see because of the twice that she tried to, you know, I hire her own counsel. She was so unhappy with Jamie, right? Worst person alive. She was fucking really unhappy with Samuel fucking Ingram. And only, you know, it takes me some time to not be naive and understand things that I realized maybe it was the Netflix special that pointed out, he made so much fucking money off of her, like $3 million. Of course he doesn't want the conservatorship to, like,

like be over or to be replaced like he could just keep on showing up doing nothing for his client not working hard and and making money and you know what this all smells so fishy so corrupt and like we don't like we we love to conspire but about this we want to stick to the facts but it just I really hope that we get to the bottom of this of every single person involved that had a hand in doing this injustice. So what does Rosengarde say about termination? When is that planned for? So November 12th, he's got a plan in place for termination. He says, I, he says, your honor, if you agree to suspend today, I've already, and this was in his opening, like, you know, in his defense arguments against Vivian Thoreen, he says, we still want to terminate within 30 to 45 days.

I would look at a day at the end of October or November, mid-November, your honor, if I could please come up with a plan. We can put a temporary conservator in place. Continue Jody on it's a contemporary conservator. And she went back to her chambers, checked her calendar. There's a little issue with some dates, and they agreed on November 12th. Of course,

one random fucking attorney from like a lobe and lobe or something representing God knows who was like, I think I'm going to be, yeah, he's like, I'm going to be about to make any, and Rosengart just to prove how iconic has stood up and goes, with all due respect, I'm sure you can send an associate. This matter is about, you know,

about my concern is far more important than the fees being paid and it was the first time Brittany has been prioritized in court you know over money so it just felt so good and um my god i just get chills when i read it's november 14th jerry i said well wait it's November 12 sorry did i say November 14 oh my god i'm getting the day wild is like you said this is the first time she's being prioritized and then your mind goes this is the first time britain any fucking spears like we always think celebrities famous people rich people you know would get priority and here's a prime example of getting majorly screwed over and hurt by family the system and everything and getting no leverage or any any perks because of her being a celebrity

like nothing speaking of her as if she's a piece of shit when she's She's Britney fucking Spears. So how would they treat a normal person? How would they treat like a fucking, you know, grandma in the nursing home? It just breaks my heart. But let's focus on the positive because you know what, Jared,

you're the fucking best and you really taught me and my listener is so much about the movement. And obviously he was on the fucking Netflix special. Was it Netflix or New York Times? I think I was on the New York Times. The New York Times, yeah. The New York Times. You were on the legit one.

He was there from the beginning, literally with everything you go through and you have a lot on your plate. He has time to fucking champion for, you know, Britney fucking Spears. So you're amazing. Thank you for teaching me. Thank you for being my man on the ground.

And, oh, yes. You know we're going to circle back in November. But also, I want to tell everyone, you have your own podcast now. Yes, I do.

Back on air with Jared Lipscomb. I focus on second chances. So right now I am focusing on some Britney. If you want more, like, very specific details, we get into like the nitty gritty kind of stuff. Some might say boring,

but, keep it fun. But yes, you can check out that podcast. Thank you for that little plug. Of course. You are really the best. You are a light in our lives. You are our man on the ground. And I can't thank you enough for what you do for Brittany and what you've done to educate us all and teach me how to say conservatorship. And I hope we never fucking have to say that word again. I mean, hopefully after November 12th, I really need to double check this date now because I have both written down. I think they were arguing back and forth which one it was. So in my notes, I have both written on. But anyways, yes, so the termination is coming.

And, oh, I will say this really quick. I know we have to go. But people are curious if the termination will happen that exact day. He did say the judge, he did say, if your honor is prepared to sign off on the documents. And obviously, he was like, we have a plan in place. And she agreed to that. She seemingly agreed to that. So there is still that thing.

But the other tidbit that's very spicy is both the co-consumption. conservatives, Jody and the new one that was just placed, they are set to expire December 31st of this year. So anyway. No, no, today or yesterday. They set, or sorry, not yesterday. The day of court, they decided that they would no longer be, they would just put them until the 31st. So even if nothing happens on the termination day, it is looking like by January 1, 2022, Brittany will be fully free. Now, of course, the fans want free by 40, which is her birthday, December 2nd. So that's what we're hoping for. But it's going to happen, Amanda. So thank you. Everyone who shares Free Brittany, we're in this together. And really, I want to say, like, you know, props to Rosengarde

and, but really props to the Free Brittany movement because it's, it truly became a national matter. And, you know, in the media where everyone's eyes are on it because of the Free Britney movement. And that's our, that's our world today. That's the power. Social media is powerful. Hashtags are powerful. The voices of many, many people are powerful. And at the end of the day, it brought light to what was going on for so long.

And it kind of started snowballing the fucking beginning of the end of this. And I'm so happy because like I said, we did two deep drives. You guys, check them out. And I was learning about this. from Jared, but I was also, like, wanting to be hopeful, but it seemed so helpless. Like, everything was just against our beautiful fucking tors, perfect torsoed bread. And I can't wait to have her back with us and see what's next for her in the world. And it doesn't look so fucking far away.

So again, thank you, Jared. Everyone, go listen to Jared's podcast. Follow him on Instagram. He's a light in our lives. He's our man on the ground. Free Britney. Thank you, Jared. I love you so much.

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