Not Skinny But Not Fat - LOVE IS BLIND: TAYLOR KRAUSE & HANNAH JILES

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Season 7 Love Is Blind’s Hannah Jiles & Taylor Krause join me today! In two separate interviews, I discuss this wild experiment with the girls! Hannah dishes on Nick, her job, and how she's dealt with the hate online, while Taylor talks timelines re her and *glowed up* Garett! You don’t want to miss this!!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Okay. I was obsessed with this season of Love is Blind, season seven,

just wrapped up last week. We watched the reunion. We have so much to talk about. I'm going to have on Taylor Krause and Hannah Giles this episode. So first we're going to have the interview with Taylor, then we're going to have the interview with Hannah Air. So enjoy them both. Let's start with Taylor.

Hi, gorgeous. Hey, how's it going? How are you? I'm actually Nile right now. Oh, cool. I'm in New York because if you were, I was in L.A. I would try to make that happen in person, but... And next time in New York City, I'll freaking love New York City.

Garrett and I were supposed to move there right after the show and everything. But you were? Yeah, we both have like completely remote jobs. And I love New York City and we're going to do like digital nomadding and New York City was going to be our first stop. But it's kind of aggressive and maybe one day, but... What overwhelmed do? What overwhelmed do about New York? What scared you away?

Not, no, not me. But Jared's... Yeah, and he has, like, two businesses and, like, works full time and, like, hasn't lived away from home. So, like, we're moving, like, one foot in front of the other. So where are you guys right now? We're in Fredericksburg, which is a small town. Not that small, but, like, an hour outside D.C. where he's from. Okay, and the plan is San Diego at some point, right?

Not anymore. Oh, that huge conversation shifted? What? Yeah, so we are planning on D.C. next. I'd been there for five years and was kind of just ready to be closer to my parents and, like, find a partner that I could raise kids with. But D.C. is really great for me for, like, job-wise. And I also think living on the East Coast is just really, really fun and different. But as Garrett spent more time away from home this year, it just saying he goes kind of too much of a shock, I think, across the country. But. We go back super often and no one, like, who's to say what can happen in the next five years. So we're just taking it one step at a time. So you're more like go with the flow can move, like say it's like you're, it's not as hard for you. No, it's not as hard.

I've always kind of been someone that like just exist in space. And my friends are like, we never really know where in the world you are. And I was like, I barely sometimes know. Yeah, because even your apartment that we're like, boop, like, if you, like, sometimes you're watching Love is Wine, you're like on your phone for a second. You look back up. You're like, wait, does she live here? Oh, she comes here sometimes. It's her friends downstairs. What? Like, at first, I thought we're going to see your, but you're, you were in that apartment only when you were in town. Or what was that? Yeah. Actually, it's, this will make more sense. But like, I was a corporate girlie. I had my own. like really nice luxury apartment with like a pool, a gym, and like was like aesthetically put together. And then after like I was ready to kind of move back to San Diego and then the show came up. And I was like, well, like this maybe can be my last hurrah of living in D.C. But like I don't like I need maybe somewhere that's an in between spot and was also doing a lot of traveling. So my

friend owned a home in D.C. that had like a basement apartment area and she usually rents it out or Airbnb's it, but she let me just like do it for months to month. And so that's why it looks like a bachelor den and like she has like a storage room and stuff like that. So it was like I look like a weirdo. It doesn't add up. You don't look like a weirdo. It doesn't add up for you, right? Because like when we see you, you're the most like put together person. You're like type Bay and then we're like, why are there solo cups? Like the solo cups, we deserve an explanation. So my friend would throw a lot of parties down there. And so I used to like attend the parties obviously, but then living there, it like was so different. And so like it was never like,

it became something that was just too overwhelming for me being someone that like needs my own space and I need things. You're right. Like I'm a very specific person and like things put together and clean and, like, my own. But that was kind of the trade-off that I had, renting this space flexibly from her. So, okay, let's backtrack. As everyone that follows me knows and is listening from the beginning, I was like, this Taylor, like, oh, my God.

I think I even said, like, want to be her, obsessed. Just everything about you is like, just glamorous without trying. You're so smart. You're so on it. You're so beautiful. Hyping you up to the galore, Gazoo. And I was like, wow. Like, it was so refreshing to see somebody like you on reality TV.

I'm sure. Thank you. You get that, right? Like, when you decided to do this show where people around you, like, concerned, weirded it out, did it not align with who you are? Yes, then no. So I'm not, I don't think a person that's, like, disparaging on other people at all. And so I was like, maybe reality show, like, in my mind, I just thought that it's like, you're more interesting, the more you kind of like, stir shit up and cause drama. And so I thought I was like, like, even in the pod,

Garrett and I were kind of sitting there after we got engaged and I knew there's only like, people kept telling you only five couples go on to Cabo. And I was like, okay, well, you and our grown home babe, like, we're super boring. And so to thinking that, like, that's why I didn't think I was going to do necessarily well. But I thought it was interesting and my friends or they know me as a person that's always like trying out new things. and being open-minded and putting myself out there and, like, dating with something that I kind of, like, found to be super fun and I've always been really open about.

And so for that reason of, like, love is blind. I think it aligned well. And, like, I actually only applied because I had friends encouraged me to apply because they were recruiting happy in D.C. And by, like, the fourth or fifth person that are like, you should apply. I was like, I don't quite should be, like, offended that you guys think that I need to like, he politely defied someone, but like, I'll try anything twice. Why do you think because are most of your friends, like in relationships and you're like

the single one? Like, why was everyone telling you to do this? No, I don't, most of my friends actually aren't in relationships. Like, I'm hilariously the first person to get married in like my friend group. You're 29, right? Or are you 30 up? I'm now 30. Yeah. Congratulations. 30 is so fun. It's great. It's just a better finance. It's more well-thought-out 20s. Love that. But you are very, like, you seem very together. Are we missing something?

Like, obviously, we know you party now. Like, you can get down, you're saying. Like, before. I like a good party, for sure. You like a good party. The fact that you're into, like, molecules and what's the tattoo? It's a little hydrogen molecule. So that's, like, a diatomic molecule, which means, like, two hydrogen atoms together,

which is, like, the clean energy technology. that is my field of expertise and I did my master's thesis in. Wow. Wait, and Garrett doesn't have that tattoo, but he has like another... We have a physics equation, which is the Heisenberg uncertainty principle,

which is something that like is a fundamental theory in physics where it's like basically you can't know where it's called a wave-like protocol, but something that exists in space and time, like you can't know how fast it's going and where exactly. it is at the same time. Like, that's what the uncertainty principle is. And so that was really cool. I was like, did you tell them that, like, you had that equation, like, that tattoo?

And he was like, he was like, no, I did it. And I was like, I don't think I told them about my hydrogen tattoo. So that's just, like, even weirder that we both of you are in the science fields. Yes, both in, both in science field. Garrett's more in the, like, he works for a company that builds quantum computers, which like don't ask, I don't, he's explaining to me like 10 times. And then I work in more of like policy that helps clean energy technologies become more commercialized. Oh, that's cool. And you said also he has another company, no? Like his own company, you mentioned. He owns two other businesses.

Yeah. Two other businesses. Okay. So Garrett's feeling well. Garrett's doing well. He's a really, he's a very smart and driven person and I that's one regret from like not regret but something I wish was a little different from the show like I don't feel like people got to know him as well and he yeah he's like I just I just feel like Ken was like sometimes but he is very he's very put together to you and he felt like he felt like he didn't his personality didn't come through right and I agree with that I feel like I think I even made the mistake because I I remember, like I said, at the beginning, I was so, like, into you, right? And then I see your dates with Garrett and you're so into it. And I'm like, she's so cool. He's a little bit of a nerd. I don't understand. But I actually quickly took it back.

Like a couple episodes later, I was like, I completely take it back. Like, he's definitely deserving of her. And they're so cute together. So you're right. People that are not as observant as I am could have made the mistake and not gotten with it. But it took me like a couple. episodes to learn, like, no, no, like, he's, he's, he's good. He's good for her and he's a good,

he's a good catch. Then now we can't say that anymore. Yeah, if he's smart and like, and like has very, I think, interesting interest and like supports me and it's kind. First of all, you can ask for. Listen, the fishing, like, now I'm, like, disappointed that my husband doesn't have, like, more interesting hobbies because first of all, a hobby is such a cool thing to have. Like, I don't really have one. But, like, catching these fucking huge fish and that being

something you're so passionate about aside from your job where you make money and everything and aside from your wife it's such a cool thing that really like

enriches your life yeah and I love boats and sushi so this is like a perfect one way has he made you sushi from any of the fish yeah like

nice at shashimi which is you know as expensive and like we have a freezer full of like high quality natural awesome fish at all types so you kind of have to live somewhere where he could go fishing which isn't new york like that's not happening in the hudson river you know i would hope not but apparently there are places like in new jersey that you can go spear fishing and like um i mean san diego adds a lot of fishing so i'm hopeful to maybe not some fisher some

fisherman kid begged to befriend us. Garrett's glow up, which obviously took the internet by storm, is he not into talking about it? You guys were kind of like obviously nobody's saying Garrett wasn't good looking before he was, but there was a change of like the hair

and the fits. That's more of it, right? It's like his hair got long and maybe, because what everyone was saying like, wait, Garrett's dressing so much better like he's still married. That's what the vibe was on social media. Everyone kind of of knew you guys were together because he was dressing so well. Isn't that funny? Because

I just like for girls, we always have breakup glow up. So I was like in my mind, I was like, it could go either way. But I guess like for some, most of my exes, like they look worse after for sure. So I'm just kidding. But for for Garrett, like he actually has a very like, I think more robust tapes in fashion than I do. Like in the pod. I told him I had just gone to New York Fashion Week and just as like a friend, a guest. He was like, that's so cool. Like, I would love to go.

And I was like, really? And then he like started talking about the clothes that he had bought or like had with him that are very detailed and like higher quality and talked about like this one jacket for like 20 minutes. And I was like, oh my God. Like we could have talked about. But anyway, like I thought it was endearing and cute. And then like this past September, he got invited.

to model in New York Fashion Week. How did that happen? He had bought a couple pieces from a designer who was actually based in San Diego and worked with him and he needed models for New York Fashion Week and had reached out to Garrett and he was like, we were like, hell yeah, let's go. And so went up to New York City and he did it. And that's where a lot of the like glow up. Pictures are from.

Right. And he looks freaking hot. Like he looks great. Like he looks like a model. Did you have anything to do with him growing out as he? hair? Was that him? No, it was all him. He didn't really like his hair before and like it's something that he always wanted to kind of work on, but, you know, he didn't really have a reason to. He was more focused on, I think, his businesses and beer fishing than like opportunities that would look

better. So I'm very supportive. I'm never going to tell him how to look or what to do or what to wear. Like, he would never do that for me. So I'm glad that he's excited about stepping been more into like how he looks and feeling really good. Well, I think also people thought that that it was you because your fashion sense was so good and we loved your fits in the pod. Like, did you plan those out before? Like, did you have any help? Like, what was the vibe? I did plan them out before because I am a type of a person and they send you this deck of the like a packing list essentially. And if you if you matrix all the things that they're asking for, it's like 30 different outfits. And I was like, how am I going to

fit this into like three suitcases. And so you kind of have to be diligent about like what you pick and choose. There's some people that probably just like didn't, but I'm just, I'm not that kind of person to not be as prepared as possible. So I did my styling thing and I come from science. Like I don't really get to try this kind of stuff. And my friend who brought me to New York Fashion week, she was like, yeah, this is how you do it. Like you put on the clothes, try it like get out your phone, look at it on camera. It's going to be so different than when you like, look at a mirror and you're going to feel a lot more prepared and confident going into it if you're ready. So that's what I did. And did you, did she help you or did you kind of pick all

of your own outfits? I mostly picked all of my own outfits. Like I think I'm fully, I had a spreadsheet in like a budget because I was like, there's no way I'm spending over like a thousand dollars for this stuff. And like, I'm, like, intimately familiar with like Zara at H&M of like September 2023. Listen, you guys, H&M can surprise you. I'll just put it that way. I know that everyone hypes are up, but like, check out H&M sometimes. Like, there could be a blazer. There could be like a pair of slacks. Like, it's there for you if you need it. For sure. I think they have. Honestly, a lot, there's a lot of things from my closet that are H&M and I completely wholeheartedly agree. We'll be right back after the break.

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more of a backseat? Because you guys are good and it's like, okay, let everybody kind of to air out all the drama and we're doing well. I just didn't really have too much to say, to be completely honest. Like, during the experiment, Garrett and I, like, both became friends with, like, people on, like, me, the girls, him with the guys. And, but I kind of really kept to myself. Like, I just, that, I just kind of stayed in my lane. So when people, like, were airing out their stuff, like, I didn't actually really have

too much to, like, kind of contribute. And it's, I just kind of wanted to, like, stay out of it. Again, like, it speaks to me thinking that I was going to be the worst reality television show person ever. Because I was like, I don't, I don't really, I don't have anything to contribute, nor do I want to, like, kind of work with me a little bit. So are you friends still with any of the girls or not really? I'm still, like, I'm still friends with all of the girls. I would get a, like, coffee or dinner with any of them. But I'm closest with Ashley, obviously, because we've.

both like like we were we're homies in the pods and then obviously the evolving you we both got married and it's it's a different ball game yeah and she's she's also super smart after i watched the reunion i was like she's so great and then someone wrote like i wish i was as smart as her and as you know patient and calm about the situation as her i did notice that garrett was getting kind of his during the reunion about the grenade conversation that went on for a long time about Hannah and Nick, is that because he's closed with Nick? Or did he just feel like the conversation was like stooping too low? I think he's actually just, he's friends with Nick. And if that were my friend, and you kind of watched them get belittled over and over again. And like, Hannah, like,

didn't really say sorry out of the gate. She kind of doubled down. So I think for Garrett, it's like the it's like no matter what he called you in the beginning like you like for garret he saw that nick actually really fell in love with her and like was authentic about it from like there on out so going back and trying to justify doing that i think just really frustrated in him and if that was my friend i'd probably feel the same way like he'd stick up you'd stick up for them but he did say that he like wanted to be famous out of the show like that would piss you off too no Yeah. No, it's a giant, it's a giant red flag. I never thought I'd be defending Nick D. We got to the end of this experiment. I'm not saying that he possibly didn't go in with like ulterior motives for sure. But from our experience on like once you're in the real world, like it seemed very genuine. But I don't know him very well, but that was Garrett's take on it. I say. And about the fame thing. Because, let's. Listen, the fact that Nick wrote it down and that was aired out is one thing.

The fact that we know that a lot of people do go on reality shows for a multitude of reasons, one of them being you can get some followers, you can get some internet fame. What was your kind of percentages? Like, did you have any of that? Like, were you into that side of it at all? Or was it just like the dating part? So this is so bad because I actually did not know that Love is Whyon was like a really big show before going on. Sorry, Netflix.

It, I thought it was, I actually, I watched it, but like when I was holding laundry and I thought it was kind of like this the list reality show, like, sorry, I know it's like number one on Netflix and it's like millions of people watch it and it's like number one watch show of all the time. It's crazy. I didn't know that. I'm glad I didn't know that because I think I would have been probably too intimidated. But I think the experiment and the people like, it's different than a dating show where it's like I'm just judged by the way that. I look at the bikini or something like that that I would have probably like been too intimidated

to do. And I think it's a lovely concept of like trying to get to know someone for the merits of them rather than all of these other things. And I'm a scientist at heart. I thought that it was an experiment and just I'm a curious person. But yeah, I'm not going to lie that there are quote unquote like opportunities that come from the show. But it wasn't top of mind going. in at all for me. If anything, I thought, like, I was going to leave in the first couple of days. Like, my parents were actually on a, they're on a safari in South Africa that I was supposed to be in. And I was like, okay, guys, like, might meet you in South Africa in, like, in probably a week. And then, like, they just didn't continually just didn't hear for me. And I had my,

I obviously, like, had a producer telling them that I was continuing on. And I thought there was a one percent chance of it's, like, actually going to meet someone. But I thought, if anything I would like learn something about myself, make a lot of girlfriends. So the way that it turned out is just like, it's still, it's still shocking in a lot of ways, but I'm really grateful for it. I know I've watched so many seasons. I've talked to a lot of people. It's a for real marriage, the one that we're seeing on the show, or did you get for real married after? No, we got real married like on the show. You go down to the courthouse. You fill out the paperwork. if you work with our, what is it called the minister, the, the fish, be a fichient, like to fill out all the paperwork. And so it's, it's for real. And would you ever, because you said, like, opportunities arise from this, would you, is it more of a side gigs? Would you ever leave, like, the, the world, the actual job that you have? Well, I work in policy, particularly clean energy policy and at a think tank. And so we have a really big week this next week in terms of,

like who sits in the White House. And like, I think that really does affect my day to day. And for me, no, I don't plan to just like quit my job next week to to do like any opportunities that come from the show. I'm just, I am, I know I got married on reality television in a couple weeks, but I am someone that's a little bit more risk adverse in the job kind of thing where I would take, I'd put one put in. And there are opportunities, I think, to like promote sustainable products that I'm in like do more creative things in fashion that like I got the chance to kind of experience than working at like the current place that I work. But I really like where I work, it's flexible, the people are great, mission driven work. So if there's something that can like

replace that, that's just as fulfilling, I'm open to it, but I'd have to be proven otherwise. I mean, did they have, did the people you work with, were they surprised at seeing you on reality TV? Did you give them a heads up? I gave them a heads up and they were surprised you're like, you would do something like that. So like your sentiment about me being put together person and shared professionally. And they thought, honestly,

I work at a very nerdy place. The climate and clean interviews also very niche. And so everyone was just very supportive and thrilled to see someone that works in that space, like reflected on a national stage. it doesn't happen often. So they were super supportive and I'm excited to go back and like they don't really gossip about the. You're like, you guys want the tea? You can get it. Are you guys going to plan like a big wedding now? Is that in the in the cards? We went back to San Diego like over Christmas like a

couple months after we just got married or like a month after we got married and we're looking at wedding venues and for like the West Coast fam because we did one of the East Coast. and I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, trying to plan a wedding. Like, give yourself a second. Let me just, like, focus on, you know, my new marriage and, like, new, like, different parts of my life. And so we actually are excited to do that in, like, when it feels right and it's enjoyable

because I'm not sure, like, how your wedding played out. But, like, I've never met a bride that was like, that was great and not stressful. Like, that was. Yeah, like, give yourself a minute. And there is no rush, right? Like, you are married and you could do the part. Are you guys, are you really, I mean, because you, now you've said it too, like, you're a planned out person.

Do you have a timeline on, like, the kid stuff and when you guys want to be settled down and living in a specific place? I mean, for me, I really did think five to seven years of wanting to actually fully feel settled and enjoying, like, this chapter of our marriage. Five to seven years. I'd be like 35. No, it's a good age, but that's, yeah, I wasn't expecting that. It's a great age. I mean, I just had a kid I'm 36. But I wasn't, for some reason I thought, I thought differently for you. I don't know why. And maybe I might change my mind. It was it was so not on my radar. And I also, you know, as a woman, you do have to think about these things. Like, we do have a biological flock that I've never like kind of figured out before. So hopefully that's a, not a stressful journey but if it's like oh actually like you're these are the years that you you'll have to like consider having kids and like I would definitely ex the bite that five to seven years but and is Garrett on the same page no he would want them I think like sooner yeah you might

have to at least you might have to start saying like five and not five to seven to kind of ease like yeah yeah but it's also it's always funny when the guys are more into it because it's like Good. Then do it. You know? Yeah. And his friend group is all married. Some of them are on like their second or like third kid. And my like my friend group is like super different. So the people that are like representative of where you are in life like that might. It just is different for both of us. So we're kind of trying to find out what I think a happy medium is. Yeah. And like reminder you. So now it's been a year. Right. So you've been together for a year. In two weeks, it'll be our one-year anniversary of November 13th. Oh, wow. Well, first of all, congratulations. And I hope you guys, like, stay just as cute and perfect as you are and that you figure out your own timeline. Because, spoiler alert, it's probably going to change. And, like, I'm sure many things. You're like, it's not going to go exactly how I plan. But know that we adore you. Everyone's obsessed with you. We're so happy for you.

Did Olivia Munn ever acknowledge the compliments that you guys look at like? I've not, I've not seen Olivia Munn acknowledge it, and I'm totally okay with it. She's actually the same, like, genetic makeup as me, like Irish, German, Cantonese. And so that's why it might look like that. But I still am like, I don't, I don't think so. I think she's obviously gorgeous. So I'm very complimented that. Yeah, well, that's crazy that you're the same exact genetic makeup.

you said? Last time I checked. Last time I checked her 23 and me, we were the same. That was creepy. I shouldn't have said genetic makeup. I should have said, like, ethnic makeup. Well, you are a scientist, so you're allowed to use those words on us. Yeah, chromosomes are like this. Well, you and Garrett need to get a matching, like, next science tattoo.

Did you plan one out? He did talk about matching tattoos, and I was like, is it not like the kits of death? Like, I'm not like a superstitious person, but... No, you need something, like something about, you know, molecules becoming an atom. I don't know. You know more than me, but you should do it. Both of you, science and that's cute.

Yeah, you wanted to get a tattoo in like every city that we visited. And I was like, that's so, I was like, that's a lot of work and money. But he talked about getting a sleep and some of it was like, this is, you're just getting hotter and hotter. Garrett. Garrett. No. So does he surprise you every day since you got together?

Are you, like, learning new stuff all the time? Yeah, I think you're constantly learning things about your partner. And, like, we, us too, just given the really weird circumstances of, like, now having all of these opportunities, like, we're learning different interests and where we overlap. And every day is actually just, it's usually, I mean, 90% of the time, because relationships do take work and they're not perfect all the time. Like, it's super fun. It's like living with my best friend.

we have a absolute blast of like doing anything. And yeah, I can't read the bottom of that. Oh, I'm so happy for you. And I know you have to go. I don't want to take too much of your time, saving the world and making everybody clean energy people. So thank you, Taylor, so much for coming on. I wish you guys the best of luck. And you've been really like such a pleasure to watch. So just know that. Oh, thank you so much. And like, I love your podcast and like your Instagram. It's always hilarious. So when I saw like, I was just like, I was like, oh, my God, dangrolling, like, so hard. So thank you so much.

Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Say how to Garrett. Get that sleeve. Okay, guys, now we're going to move on to my interview with Hannah. Hannah, what is up? What is up?

I'm so excited to talk to you. Oh, my God. I just watched the reunion. I have to say, first of all, you know, we do have a lot to talk about. As you saw, what was it last week, Amy Schooner's a fan. Yeah, that was cool. That was cool. So Amy Schumer, I'll tell the story.

Amy Schumer calls me and I call back and I'm like, hey, what's up? And I think it's something like, you know, like what's happening? Am I going to be in her next movie? Like, what's going on? And she's like, we need to talk about love is blind. Like, we need to talk about it right now. It's like, okay, what's up? She's like, did you see the last episode?

And I was like, yeah, like, tell me. And she had this idea for like a skit because she's like a comedian. So she thinks and like comedy. And she's like, Hannah. And she went on this rant. She's like, I love that girl. You know, and up until that point, like that week, there was a lot of negative noise, you know?

Yeah. And then Amy Schumer literally sees the other side. She calls me and she's like, she's so smart. She's so this. She's accepting all these like red flags about this guy. She tells it how it is. And she even said, I relate to that. Like, I see myself in her.

Like, he has to handle her. She's going to lay it out. She's going to be herself. I love that. And then the joke was. which she could really see it in her head was you took all this shit from Nick accepted all this like red flag situation

and then you were like, he doesn't eat pussy. And then she was like, the way she said to me in the phone, she was like, I don't think it's a coincidence that the next day like or whatever the time was. Like she broke up with him.

Like she didn't say it was because of that. But she's like, the joke is took it, took it, took it, took it. Doesn't have his own phone line, you know, all this shit. Yeah. So, first of all, very cool anecdote. Did that feel good to get some, like,

celeb love on the internet? Yeah. It honestly, like, yeah, it makes you just feel so much. Like, it's okay, it's okay. Not everybody hates you. And, like, someone is cool. It's her, like, likes you. So, like, don't be okay.

Yeah, it felt really cool. Okay, so let's start because we have a lot to get into, Hannah. First of all, you do look amazing. Thank you. And I have to ask, while I was watching the reunion, and also, we know you're like the video you did to the Freaky Friday. Was it the Freaky Friday sound?

Well, no, the... No, it's from Uptown Girls. Oh, Uptown Girls, okay. Yeah, I think that one is. So you know you, there was like a big change that you made, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And in this reunion where obviously it comes up that Nick was talking about your looks not so kindly,

I have to ask if that had anything to do with changes that you made or feeling insecure or are we not? Yeah. to be honest with you, I'm a spiteful person. And it's like, when someone, like, does me wrong, like, I have to be like, oh, like, that's what you think, like, I want to prove you wrong type of feeling, which is not a good quality to have, but it is a quality that I do have. And I was already on, like, the journey of, like, trying to lose weight and trying to, like, feel better, look better.

And yeah, I think I heard the comment, like, back in May or June, and I was just, like, I would, like, stood up and I was like, it's Tom, like, I don't know. But. Wait, you're saying, to translate, you're saying, you're saying. saying, you heard him say negative things about your looks and you're like, just wait how hot I'm going to get. Yes. I mean, I do want to do it for myself. Don't get me wrong. And like, it is because of me. Like, and I was already doing it. When I heard that, I was like, oh, you think of Renee and I'm going to show you what a bombshell looks like. Like, that's what I thought. And like, not great. But I was just like, no, that's not going to be the narrative, which is bad.

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and it was right after the reveal that he told all the guys about it. And so they had no for forever. And then Marissa finally told me, like, in May or June, because she just, like, that's really hurtful comment. She's really kind. And, like, me, I'm like, this is what they said. But to her, it's like, I don't want to tell you that's going to hurt your family. Right. Yeah.

So she saved it. And then eventually she was like, you know, I didn't even say this. You're right. And I was like, wait, this is after you broke up with him, though. Yeah. Oh, so this was going on and you didn't even know. No, I had no clue. Yeah, like, no clue.

Yeah. But this, to me, is really important in the reunion. And, like, I know there are a lot of people are they going to be like, Yeah, yeah, he said that, but Hannah was still like a bitch to him. No, no, no. This is really important. And the reason why is because this whole time we're watching and you are being, let's say, a little bit mean to him. And he's like, Hannah, I love you.

So to me, that's a very big point because so we see on the show, we're like, oh, she's mean to him. And he's just taking it. He's just like, I love you. You're the perfect woman for me. And something isn't adding up, right? Because it takes two to tango. It doesn't make sense that one person is here in one. person is here we don't really see any explosive chemistry he's not trying to french tongue you

down the throat at every chance like some other couples right so the reason why this is important is not only because it's like offensive and not nice but i feel like the reason you brought it up is more so to like show that he was kind of not being honest like maybe he wasn't that into you maybe he was acting for the cameras because he wanted to be the most famous person and love is fine, which didn't work, by the way. Like, what? So tell me your feelings on finding that note. Tell me if when you were in it with him, was the sexual chemistry there and we

weren't seeing it because we weren't really seeing it. And what something, you're a smart girl. That no one can take away from you. You're smart. You're sharp. Is that why we're seeing you kind of pissed? Because like what he's saying and how he's acting isn't connecting or you weren't thinking that he was being real or something?

Yeah, I was libit. And that's why you're seeing, like, I'm a bitch. I have hard times, but, like, I was, like, towards the end, I'm, like, trying to seize, like, you are not this, like, kind, like, quiet person until the cameras turn on. And so I'm being, like, extra, and I shouldn't have done this. This is my fault. But I mean, like, this extra, like, come on, come on, come on. Because, like, towards the end, I'm like, be for real.

Like, this is not, as soon as cameras cut, like, you were not, like, sitting there, like, a quiet, kind boy and just, like, taking it. in which I should never done that, but that's wise because, like, the, the sexual chemistry, there was none ever. Like, I'm not a big PDA person. And, like, when we were Mexico, I feel like Marissa and other people were making comments. Like, you guys aren't touchy. It's like, because I'm just not touchy. Like, I'm just not. But in private, I'm very, like, loving, caring. And, like, we weren't. Like, there wasn't even, not only, like, the sexual chemistry wasn't there, but, like, just, like, holding each other's hand or, like, when you're setting, watching TV, like, being near each other.

So what was there? What was keeping it there? No sexual, you were saying he wasn't giving you back, like, intelligence-wise. So what was keeping you there? I think it's because, like, I really, like, when, no, I feel like I'm just, like, in my mind. I was, like, so, so-to-one and, like, okay, I chose this person. This is you I chose. Like, I picked him, like, we, I love him, like, the things that he said and how, like,

kind he was in the pods and, like, all this, like, emotional depth to him. Like, I know it's there. And, like, I know who he is. is like this is not him and I think I was just like I don't I really can't even tell you because I feel like the whole entire time I was just like fighting with my intuition I was so confused like my emotions were everywhere and I just like didn't know what to do really because like I really did love him and like there was a lot of good qualities there in the beginning and I think they just started to lose it and I thought we were just like both just kind of like losing her mind a little bit like

it's a lot it's it's a lot in this experiment so I think that's why I was like there for so long because I didn't know because he wasn't telling me that he didn't like me or he wasn't telling me that he wasn't into me or like you can just feel it and so like you're you sort of think like you're crazy kind of and what happened with the going down on you stuff like he said I'm not into it like as much as you can tell us with feeling comfortable

but was he just like I don't like doing it I don't do that for girls so he actually like the Ramses had told me like in the pods they had a fool in conversation about it because like we're prompted for like questions about sex like they want us to talk about it because it's important in relationships And Rampton and him had had a conversation, like, in the lounge about how, like, Nick doesn't eat pussy.

Like, he just, that's not his thing. He doesn't do. He doesn't understand it. And so he just doesn't. And when we were together, like, obviously, like, there were just, we were lacking in, like, that, like, sexualness. And, like, he did do it a couple times. But, like, he's just, that's not his thing. Like, he's, he wants to be pleasure to not give pleasure kind of. So, yeah. No, I don't. I think he, I don't, I don't think it's just a me thing. Maybe it was, but I don't think just like preference, he's not into that or he hasn't grown up and up to be into that. Maybe I don't know. How old is Nick? Nick is 29. 29. And you're 20 what? I'm 27. How are you so like, you mentioned a few times you didn't really get into how you grew up, but you mentioned a few times that you've been super independent since you were younger. You've had to work. You've had to provide for yourself. Like, so what can you tell us more about your background? and how and why that happened? Yeah, so my family dynamic is a little bit different. And so my parents, very close with my parents, but financially why so I was, my dad's not my biological father. I was adopted when I was four by him because my dad was like, deadbeat, like a drunk alcoholic my mom left him type of situation.

So then she married my father now. They had two more kids. It was just like, let's not talk about it type of situation. And so I have a little bit of daddy issues. But financially, when I turned 16, it was get a job. And so I played sports. So it was like, well, then every single Sunday, you're working at Panera or you're being a lifeguard during the summertime.

So my parents paid for my bills when I was in high school, but it was like anytime you want to get the movies or you wanted to have any fun, you pay for. And then when I turned 18, I went to college. And it wasn't like my parents were like, no, we cut you off whenever we're going to see you again. It was like they cut me off financially. Like, you're an adult now. You've got this. And if, let's say, I needed help, and I was like, Mom, I'm really struggling.

She'd be like, yeah, of course. But it was just like, they embedded me and my brother, who's also on his own now, like, just to be financially stable and to be, like, an adult. And I think that's, like, what I was trying to say is, like, they just don't help me financially. Like, they would if I needed it. But, like, I'm not, like, I know all my bills and I know everything because, like, I've had to do it. And so that's, like, what the point I was trying to make.

Like, I'm dramatic. And I'm like, look, like, my parents did I, like, you raised differently. just like... Did your mom, like, get offended that you made it sound like you were an orphan? Yes. She was like, what? She was like, hey, don't. We love you.

And I was like, I know you did. I don't know why. I'm so dramatic. Like, I didn't, I didn't mean it like, my parents cut me off. We don't speak. Like, that's not how it means. You meant like, you've had to support your lifestyle, pay for your own stuff, like, once you left the house.

Yeah. And what, Nick was more of like a mama's boy. Mm-hmm. Spoiled. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, I think it's wonderful if your parents, like, let you stay at home and your parents for your bills. Like, in the economy, it's crazy.

It's amazing. But it was just like we, I was just trying to make a point that like we are at different, like, even I'm tears younger than you. I think we are at different, like, levels in like being ready for marriage or being like independent. I don't know. Yeah. No. And that makes total sense. And I think you're right. I mean, people were kind of saying like the amount of times you said like I'm direct, I'm direct.

But I think because I do see you and I do get you. And I wouldn't be talking here today. if I thought you were like a mega bitch, bad person. I don't think that you are. I think that Nick wasn't a fit. And I think that like there was just a disconnect because it's like, why are they like together? Why are they saying I love you when like, obviously you're not in the same place. And like, okay, tell me about finding that note with I want to be the most famous person.

Like what did everything click for you in that moment? Were you offended? Were you, did you feel like you were being let on? What was going on? No, I think it was just like an aha moment for me, kind of. But basically what happened is we had broken up and my friends were in town and my mom was in town. And so I didn't find that note until literally right after we broke up, like what you see on TV. And we were packing up and our friends are like, what is the notebook?

They scroll for it and they see it. And I feel like I'm getting a lot of shit about like, why would you go through it stuff? It's like, well, Nick went through my stuff to find my like 10 things I hate about you list. Like that wasn't left out for him. he went through that and that was a private conversation that he went and brought up on camera immediately that we discussed wouldn't be on camera so I don't really know how that's different

but when they had failed to know and I didn't even talk about it like we even had like a post like final interview saying where we just go and we like tell her about the experience and I didn't even bring it up because I didn't want to that was like a private meetinger

but I think I just got so annoyed because it's like the love the truth but yeah when I found the note and I was like are you kidding me like is this like, I just like, I laugh a little bit because I was like, what? Like, you want to be in the fashion? Did he give that vibe though? Like, because he doesn't give that vibe when we first meet him on the show. It doesn't give someone who's on there to get followers and brand deals. Like, it doesn't, he doesn't seem that way.

Hmm. Yeah. I think sometimes, yeah. No. He would be like, he would be like on the phone because he does real estate like an hour a day. And he was. What do you mean an hour a day? Are you throwing shade? Like it's not a lot. I'm not trying to him. I think I just to know, because everyone's like, she's unemployed, how dare her? And it's like, no, I literally put my job to be on the show and I got his job after. But, like, he would go and he would, like, film, like, a video for his Instagram real, like, and for like an hour he would come back. So, whatever, I'd like, okay. Wait, so he would go film, like, what, a new listing or something and then post it and that was his thing for the day. Yeah, or he would be on the phone all the time

with, like, his clients, I don't know what they are, but, and he'd be like, yeah, on the new season, I love is blinded them. I'm like, my fiance is right here. Do you want to speak to her? Like, he'd be like, yeah, I'm actually going to be in the upcoming season of love. Like he like, I was like, like, I don't know. Like on the plane even on the way back from Mexico, he like, he didn't want to set with me, set like a cross and he was like with some lady.

And he just like there for like the two hours just talking to her about, yeah, we were in love this blind. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, everyone, it seemed like everyone at the reunion thought that was weird. It seemed like, by the way, everyone at the reunion. seemed to have your back. Obviously, mostly Marissa. The only person I have to ask that

seemed like they were kind of shady towards a situation was Garrett. Does Garrett not like you? I don't know. I don't speak to Garrett, really. I know. Imagine Hannah and Garrett had like this secret friendship.

That wouldn't really make sense. But he was kind of like, I'm done with this conversation, but also he said something to the, like, Nick had so much patience. Like, I don't know how he did it. Something like that. Yeah, I mean, and I understand, like, maybe they have like a good friendship they never did, but maybe they do now. And Garrett was actually someone who told me to, like, he literally set me aside with Ramses 1-9. He was like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you with him? Like, why are you with him? Why are you dating him? So, and I was like, you're so right, Garrett. Garrett was my number three when we were in the pods. Yeah. So, yeah. So let's remind everyone who your number two was.

Oh, yeah. So when you saw. Leo on the season were you like, oh my God. How was I into him? What were your thoughts? No, Leo, so Leo was someone who didn't share anything about himself at all. I just knew that he was like Jewish

and he was like taller. So I imagine what he looked like and he was pretty similar to what I imagine. Just I thought he would have more of like a flow. But no, when I saw him like, I wasn't like shocked. I was like, yeah, that's exactly what I imagine Leo looked like. No, not looks wise. Like the way he was about the money and the Rolex

and what everyone's kind of mockering. He didn't talk about money to me. Really? Okay. So you didn't get the ache from him? No. Like, sometimes he would say, like, he's goofy and he said some, like, weird shit sometimes.

And he'll be like, what? But no, like, I never got the egg from Leo at all. But when he broke up with you, that moment, I mean, he took accountability for it at the reunion. I don't know how genuine he seemed to honestly. I have to be honest. Like, most of these guys fucking sucked, in my opinion, on this season.

Like everyone on that stage, I was like, Ramses, I hate you. Tyler, I don't know, I'm trying to give him grace. What is your thoughts on the Tyler situation? Are you? I don't know. This is, I'm, me and Ashley aren't super close, but I, like, love and respect Ashley so much. We talk here and there, but, like, she's a very private person, and their relationship is, like, they keep to themselves. And so I knew about the whole kid situation thing.

But then when I saw all the internet stuff, I was like, whoa. Like, I don't know. It was, like, this insane. but I think they know the truth and whatever that truth is, they know that. And she's, they seem happy and they're together. So, like, there's probably so much more that I don't know, but I don't go, I'm not like, actually, I saw this on the internet,

like, let me know if it's true or not. Because I'm like, I'll let her be. Yeah. So I think it's crazy, but, like, I don't think we really know everything. Like, we don't know what she knows. We don't know what's true, what's not. So I don't know. It's a crazy situation.

I agree and I have a quick A quick one for you Like I said The guys of season slip Sim Pickens If you had to do a merry fuck kill With Leo Nick

And Stephen What would you do? I would marry Leo I'd fuck Stephen And I'd kill Nick You'd marry Leo You'd fuck Steve Okay so we just have to kill Nick

That's what you're doing Okay but it's smart Because Leo you'd rather be with him forever With Stephen you'd rather just get it over with because you never have to see him again. Yep. That's a good one. Yeah, I mean, you guys,

let's take a minute and think about it. The girls, the girls got the short end this season. There were a lot of dudes with a lot of problems. The girls were sticking out for each other. Let's talk about the friendship. So obviously you and Marissa is super duper close. It sounds like, by the way,

you're talking, like you were kind of close with Ramses because he was with Marissa, but did you turn on him now that he did that to your girl? No, I love him. Like, I think Ramesses is a wonderful human being. What he did Marissa is absolutely wrong, and he shouldn't have been on the show if he wasn't ready. But at his court, he's a good person.

And Marissa is my best friend, so I always take her side. But I do like Ramesses. I don't dislike Ramesses. And I think they even have a good relationship. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. But, okay, but the thing with Ramses,

when he told her she's too much, don't you think that my opinion is that she kind of gave that to him on a spoon, like earlier in their relationship. She was like, guys, usually leave me for this. So to me, it felt like it was kind of like an excuse to break up with her, saying that you're too much thing. It exhausts me after a day. To me, it felt like he's not that into her.

She kind of told him, this is what guys usually do. So he kind of rode that train. What are your thoughts on it? I think, yes. I think that Marissa and she has said this and she told him this that like she's the type of person that God, love her in the beginning, and then a couple months or whatever happens, and then they're not into her anymore.

And she straight up told her, I'm just like him a lot, like they don't realize. And I think that, yes, I think she's got a big personality. Most women are a lot who freaking cares if we're a lot, you're not enough. But I don't think that's actually the true reason why he ended it with her, and I think that's why she struggled so much because she knows that's not the reason. But the real reason is I don't know if we'll ever really know, or does he even know what it is? I don't know.

And you guys both, you and Marissa, said something on stage. She said, and I fucked that man after. So then we learned that she had sex with him after the breakup. And you said something more off to the side. Like, yeah, I also did. I wanted to see what it was like. So you're saying you met up with Nick after the show, after you broke up. Yeah.

So I think like maybe two weeks after the show, we invited him over. Because I found the lesson, like, I had been ignoring him. And I was just like, let's have a conversation. Let's see what he's really like when it's not just like the cameras are in the room. It's, we're done. So you created contact. You did. Well, he had blown me up.

And then I had, I was like, don't talk to me. And then I was like, actually come over. What was he blowing you up about? What did he want? The note. He wanted to make sure I didn't tell anyone about the note. Yeah. So it wasn't like, I miss you.

Let's see if we can do it. Like, he just wanted the note. The only time he, he would reach out to me. It'd be like, Hannah, I love you so much. Like, you're so amazing. I'd be like, I know Nick, but I just need for break. And he'd be like, but okay, but like, did you tell production about the note? Or it'd be like, but okay, like, what are you going to do about, like, our situation?

Are you to say, like, anything off camera? Like, it would never, like, he would never reach out, like, in a loving way. He would act like he would be, but then he would be like, okay, but, like, what have you told everybody? Wait, so did, the first time you told anybody about the note was the reunion? So you didn't tell production then? I told production right before the show. show came out like we were having like we were speaking to them like back in like august but yeah but we only found out about it now at the reunion yes so he was probably did he blow you up after to like be like why did you do

that to me i had him blocked on everything for the past year yeah i had unblock him for when the show came out oh you had to unblock them so people wouldn't know yeah he's blocked again but i had to walk why block why go to that extent because you don't want him popping up for you like what's the vibe. Because, like, the amount of, like, because he's not changed. Like, I've gotten so many hey, hey, Nick invited me over. I walked in. Like, he thinks it's Beyonce. He has, like, love is blind playing in the background. And he's like, telling him like, yeah. And like, that he was like, look, like, look, that's my ex. Like, it's all cap. Like, he was like, it's all cap. Like, it's all cap. What he's saying? And stuff. Like, I've had like,

probably five girls message me, I guess, about it. And I'm like, I don't know what to tell you guys. What are the girls want from you, though? I don't, that I didn't understand. I think they're like, I guess we see maybe like the hate that I'm getting and they're like, I think they feel bad that like they see like who he really is and like that's not what he's putting forth for the show. And so I feel like they just feel, I don't know why even girls send Haley Girlies. Is it like obligation to be like, I just want to let you know?

I'm not sure. I want to talk about the hate for a second. Why is the internet taking it to the next level? where it's like you're, you know, where you are getting this hate, like you're saying. You know what I think it is? I think it's like, trust me, I know, like, the delivery is insane and like, sometimes, like,

I was so like, you're just seeing the, you're in a bad relationship, you're seeing the worst version of yourself and, like, a lot of things I did weren't acceptable, but at the end of the day, I was just a bit. Like what? What do you think wasn't acceptable? Probably the tone is the main thing I think that's really coming across

is like bad is like that I'm just like, this is this and this is this. and this is this, like, you could have been a lot, like, kinder about it. But I think what people don't realize is I'm not a very passive person. And I think because he is so passive, people need to realize that being passive doesn't make someone kind. It just... Yeah, you know that movie. I like to quote it.

You know the movie. This is 40, I think. Or no. Or maybe it's with Leslie, man. And she's like, you're mean. Just because you don't yell doesn't mean you're not mean. You're mean. She says that.

him and i like to look at that on the flip sometimes like that's true but also it's true that just because you yell doesn't mean you're mean sometimes you're just yelling i mean when you were telling him about the stocks like yeah it was a little belittling to be like do you know what a motherfucking sock is you fucking idiot but at the same time like to me i'm watching television i want to be entertained you are someone interesting to watch on tv you're in that moment and shocked that this guy has no idea about finances. So you took it to the next level in that moment. A little dramatic, but yeah.

I mean, the thing is I think would be, it's like, I'm not wrong. It's just I go about it and kind of like a wrong way. Like, you know what I mean? But you are like taking accountability for that. Yeah, I know. Everyone's like thinking like I'm not like empathetic or they expect this apology. And I'm like, do you guys want me to do like, you want me to shave my head and like pull a 2007 Brittany for you guys like feel like I'm like, I'm like,

apologizing enough from having a break. It's just like, I am sorry. Like, I'm very sorry for the way it came out and, like, the way I treated him. It was unkind. And I'm working on it. But, like, that's how I felt in the moment. And, like, everything I said, what was the truth?

Was it cruel? Yeah, but it was the truth. So, I don't know. But also, you guys are kind of missing the side of, like, and this is my opinion, is like, you were being a little unkind because you were probably being thrown a lot of mixed signals where this guy is telling you,

you, I love you, but isn't really showing it. And it's probably we found out at the end of the day, this guy wanted to be famous on the show. So like, you were frustrated and that's how it was kind of coming out. You know, I feel like if you were probably in a healthy, happy, you know, feeling like this guy's attracted to you, loves you, all this. And we find out later, like, he wasn't actually into you. I mean, if you're running around saying she's a grenade and then you're coming to her face saying,

I love you. The I love you isn't sincere because if you love somebody, you wouldn't say that about their appearance. Yeah. So take a moment, you guys,

if you're listening here, I know that a lot of people also love you, right? Let's not get it wrong. Like, the hate is always so much louder, but know that you do have, you know,

a lot of support. Are you feeling that as well, like in your DMs and on social? Yeah, I get a lot of really kind DMs. I think a lot of people are scared to, like, comments don't because they're just going to get chewed apart.

And my DMs are a lot nicer of a space. in, like, my comments. Oh, my God. How are you doing, though, emotionally? You're a strong girl, but, like, how are you holding up with that? Was that hard? Um, at first, it was difficult.

Because I know I'm, like, a polarizing person, and I know, like, I'm not, I'm not stupid. I didn't think, like, this is going to come out and I'm going to look like this hero. Like, I knew, like, I was on my worst behavior. And so I expected it, but I guess you don't realize until it's you, like, how crazy it is.

Like, the amount of, like, death threats I get or, like, it's actually, like, it's not that serious. I think that's my thing is, like, at first it was hard, and then after you get, like, the same, like, you horrible, disgusting, fat, big, like, 100 times, you're like, okay, like, I don't know. I just, like, let them be. I mean, I put myself on the internet,

and, like, I put myself on TV, like, it's what you expect. I think we've gotten to a place in social media in the world where it's just, like, hate, breeds, like, likes, and read comments, and that's what people like. So I understand that's what it's, like, let's leave the meanest comment to see how many likes I get.

And so I understand that. So I think for me, yes, it's hard. I wish that wouldn't be the reality, but like, everyone thinks of the moral place where it's like, well, if she can give it, she's got to take it. And I'm like, whatever. So I just don't look at it. And I think I just let people have their own reality because the only people that really know what truly happened is Nick and I.

And if that's your opinion, that's okay. And so I just let it. And you guys, it's a fucking show. It's a dating show. Make your own opinions about him. He wasn't for you at the end of the day. Are you dating anybody right now? No, I'm not.

Actually, that breakup was like so rough that I was like, no men for a year. So this past year, I've been completely abstinent, no sex, no boyfriends, no dating. Are you going to get back in it now? Yeah, I'm ready now. Yeah. It was just like, yeah, I was just like really trying to, like, figure myself out and, like, work on what I needed to. And I'm someone who never centers men. I'm very, like, I'd be centered them all up.

They're never, like, my attention in that experiment, I feel like I was centering a man so much. that I had to, like, come back to myself and, like, ground myself a little bit. And now you're ready? Are you going to go on, like, dating apps and stuff? Yeah, I haven't yet. I guess I will. But, yeah, no, I will. I'm ready to date again. I'm just, like, had to give myself a break. Love's mind is so weird because it takes so long to come out that you just live your life, like, completely normally for that year, not knowing what the shitstorm awaits, you know? That's the worst part. When I have a doctor's appointment at 1 o'clock, I feel like I can't really do much in the

morning because I'm preparing myself for, like, the doctor's appointment. Yeah, yeah. There was like a TikTok, like a meme about that or something I saw, yeah. Yeah. And so when like the show takes a year to come out, I feel like the whole entire year, I'm in like this like weird mode, yeah. Yeah, where you're just like, what do I do? What do I not do? It's like, even dating. A lot of people weren't dating, not just me. Because it's like, how do you do this? Like, hey, like, I don't know. It's just a weird time. Yeah. So when Nick said a few times that it was blown out of perspective, did you want to die? because he should have said proportion?

I mean, I literally... I would have corrected him, though. People would be like... No, when he said, I mean, he said it a few times and I was like, oh my God, like he is, you know, there were moments where it's like, Nick, hello, knock, knock, knock. Even at the reunion, he's like, it's blown out of perspective. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that was funny to me.

Did it look, his eyes were super red. Was he crying? At first I thought he was, like, crying. super emotional. But then I don't think he was. He's probably stressed. Stress, huh? Yeah. He probably didn't know what I was going to say.

Yeah. Do you think the tide is going to turn a little bit when everybody watches the reunion? Are you hoping that it does? It did it. No. And that's okay. I think what people are like thinking is like I was trying to get like my leg back. I was like, look what I'm going to do. I'm going to air all this. You're going to change. It's like that's not what it is.

I'm not trying to be like, it's Nick versus Hand. or it's like, I want everyone to love me. It's just like, no, there's, I just want you to know the truth. And whether you believe me or you don't or you don't like me, that's okay. But this is the reality. So what's next, Hannah? Would you do another show? Would you do fucking traitor as the perfect couple?

Like, are you done with reality TV? What's the vibe? No, I would definitely do it. I have no clue what's next. If that comes away, that's awesome, Traders is a fantastic show. I love watching that. But, like, yeah, I think, yeah, I think I'm just like, I've got a full-time job.

Like, I'm working. I don't know if reality TV is to coming up or social media or whatever, but I'm just, like, playing it day by day because it's just a lot. That's a lot. Thank you, Hannah, for coming on, and I wish you the best. And you look great, and I can't wait for you to get into the dating world. Yeah, I'm excited. That'll be a...

Maybe I'll start, like, doing, like, a little story times of, like, going on a date. Yeah. Yeah. Just be careful what you say. I'm learning. I'm learning. Okay, wait. One last question I wanted to ask you.

Katie, is she still your... your BFF? Yeah, we're still friends, yes. Okay. Do you think she explored going on a date with Neck? That's a good question. I don't know. We haven't, we've been really good friends, but we haven't talked after the reunion. She hasn't spoke too much. So maybe. What do you think? I don't know. Maybe just you need space. I guess she was really upset about that comment that I made. I'm not really sure. I think we're going to hang out next week. I don't know and see what's going on, but I don't know. Well, it was, there was a moment. I'll tell you when you called her your best friend 18,000 times when you were drunk after the flappers thing,

that was a moment where I was like, is Hannah one of those girls that called everyone their best friend? You know, because you were like, she's my best friend. I know you were drunk, so it's obviously exaggerated. Yeah. But you were like, she's my best friend in the whole world. Like, I can't believe you did that. And I was like, wait, are they actually best friends? We're really, really, really close.

Were we best friends the whole wide world? I had known for two weeks? No, but it was like one of those situations where you go to the bathroom. You're like, oh, my God, I met Sarah in the bathroom. And she's my best friend. Like, I feel like I was giving that off. Like, it was crazy, but. So you're saying after the reunion, she needed some time?

Yes. Okay. Well, keep us posted on that. I will. I will. Okay. Well, thank you, Hannah. Thanks for coming on.

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