Not Skinny But Not Fat - Love Thy Nader Sisters: Sarah Jane, Grace Ann & Mary Holland

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

The Nader sisters are here and it’s pure chaos. We talk about the show’s success, hate vs. love from the fans, Brooks + Carlos Alcaraz , the Gleb of it all , and whether fame has changed anything. Grace Ann talks about that alcohol intervention, Sarah Jane spills on girls, guys, and celeb DMs, and Mary Holland proves she’s the mama of the group. From the biggest sister fights to who’s most despo for fame- I love this show and these girls!This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Right now, IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBAR products—including the sampler pack—plus FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, text NOTSKINNY to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.Do what I did, order Magnetic Me today to make changing time easier for you and your little one. And these make a great gift for friends or family with babies, too! New customers get 15% off your first order when you go to MagneticMe.com.With over 1 MIllion jars sold, this beauty secret is no longer a secret. For a limited time, our listeners get 25% off goPure with code NOTSKINNY at checkout. Just head to gopurebeauty.com, use code NOTSKINNY, and you’re all set. And after you buy, do us a favor—when they ask where you heard about goPure, tell them it was from our show!Let OLLY support you & your crew this season. Shop at OLLY.com or retailers nationwide.It’s time to simplify your morning. Head to meritbeauty.com and get their Signature Makeup Bag free with your first order.Make everyday purchases count with Chime’s Secured Credit Builder Visa® Credit Card. Get started today at chime.com/NOTSKINNY. Chime. Feels like progress.Visit egglifefoods.com to find a retailer near you.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, hey, hey, happy Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of not skinny but not fat. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch.

And today I have such a fun episode for you. So I won't do too much talking now because there's going to be so much talking in the next hour that your brain is going to explode. I usually don't love having more than one guest. I've had like two guests at one time rarely. Today I'm having three guests, and this is why I became obsessed with the show, Love Thy Nader. I think the Nader sisters are hilarious. I think they're the new It Girls. I think they're real as fuck, authentic, putting it all out there.

Like, giving OG reality stars, I loved having Brooks on so much that even though she threatened me to not have her sisters, I had her sisters. So in the studio with Sarah Jane, Mary Holland, and Gracie Ann, also known as Gannamall. I'm one of them. I'm the fifth sister. I don't fucking, I'm just obsessed. They crack me up, even as they're walking in the studio. Ganymall took the seat next to me. Then Sarah Jane arrived and she was like, I'm sitting next to you.

And then Ganyl was like, no, I was sitting there first. It's just like, it's all happening. It's all happening. So it's going to be a good one. Enjoy. You guys, you guys, you guys, the sisters are here. The Nader's sisters. We're fantastic.

Ganyamol. She is present. Gracian. Which Ganyamol is just too good to not call you Ganyamol. She is sorry. Honestly, no one needs to ever call me Gracian again. You're fine with it. I'm fine with it.

I love Gann. I love it too. Gann is good too. Gann is good too. Yeah. Sarah Jane. Sarah Jane. Mary Holland.

We fucking love you, girls. Like I said, the show is fucking amazing. It caught on like wildfire. Oh, my God. No? Well, we can feel it. We're so, I know. I should get our chance in this chair.

I know. I'm so excited. I don't know. I really was scared of Brooks because she did crack some jokes when she was on my pod. And she was like, are you going to have my sisters? Like, are they next? Like, oh my God, you're totally going to have that after. And I was like, is she kidding or is she not kidding?

No, she's not serious. And she's probably shaking in her boots right now. one, but she's also like, she better like me more still. Yeah. She'll text you after this, for sure. And ask if I like her more? Yeah, definitely. How does that work, though, the fine line of like, because I think it is fine because

she does want you to succeed. She put you on the show with her, obviously, like the sister show. It's a sister show. Yeah, totally. I mean, there's no show with all the three of us. We like to remind her of that. You do remind her of that? All the time.

What do you say? I say there's no show without the three of us. Like it wouldn't just be you. I think, yeah, I think it's, it is a fine. line though because she's like obviously done so it's her dream the show and like she was has done so much to get it and so but obviously there wouldn't be a show if it wasn't all of us as a part of it so it's a balance of like respect and like kissing the ring a little but also reminding her you have to kiss the ring you need us too we need you're not you're not so good at it she's

terrible I've actually gotten really good at kissing the ring yeah it's actually you that has the problem really no I think she's the most competitive with you Yeah. Like, Mites you as a little bit of a threat to the throne. Right. Right. Yeah. Because when she was on my pad, I said, what if one of them gets more, more famous than you?

God for them. And she said, I would love that. Like, I, I would love that. Who do you think it's going to be Sarah Jane? Yeah, I think it's, I'm figuring it out. I'm figuring out. I'm figuring out of it. It doesn't know where the line is.

You need it? I'm in my own. Just sit down with the Kardashians. I know. Like, like, an episode of their show or your show needs to. needs to be across. First of all, both Hulu. I know. It already was a crossover in season one at the Hulu

event with Chloe and Scott. Right. And they were filming and we were filming. Right. I think it's so wild to watch them where you know like how it all started, but you also know they each have their own careers. Yeah. Totally separate from her. But they still like give her the respect, but they might not anymore. Yeah. You know. Chloe kind of does.

Wait, so who's the Chloe? Like who's the, well, the Kim is the Kim Brooks? I feel like it's like it's like It's so hard to, it's hard to even... Because we, like, our family dynamic is just so different. Like, with our parents and everything, it's like our parents are also low-key, like, siblings because they're so young and, like, so fun. Oh, your own siblings. I thought, like, they are siblings.

No, God. They look like each other, though. But I feel like, so there's a totally different dynamic and, like, I don't know, it's hard to compare. We compare ourselves more to the sex in the city characters. Yeah, we do historically. So, I always thought I would carry. Yeah, everyone says I'm. She always thought I was Carrie, and now people on TikTok are saying, I'm Samantha, Brooks is Carrie, you're Charlotte.

They said I'm Miranda, but that's just because she's gay in the second reboot. I don't like this. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't think, Amanda. I don't think your sex in the city characters. Like maybe Mary Holland is Charlotte, but that's really actually it. It's actually it.

We're like Nader sister alone. Like we feel alone, I think. You're one of three. What can we say? But what's happening with the living situation right now? take it away ladies we are about to be all together in the west village they have like a month left on their lease wait so you're living together now so we are all living together still in the west village yeah we moved from the soho apartment that crazy apartment we moved out of that one and

we're all together now in a town so jane i feel like you're making this up you're like doing all these eyes left and right now here's what's happening you right now we all leave so they have a months left on their lease. So it's a slow move. Yeah. It's a fucking bitch Sarah Jane. I know. So they're slowly moving into ours. We have run again. And I don't know. Why is it so confusing? Who cares? So you're living with Mary Holland. Yeah. We live together. And you're with Brooke. Yeah. But I'm moving out in like And they're moving in over the next month. Like they're really waiting as long as they can. We've always lived together. We still have our old place. Oh, you had it before the show. We had it before the show. We kept it through the show. We have a sick COVID deal. And I just like can't give that up. Honestly, I think I'm still going to keep it.

downtown. Is it a two-bed? It's a two-bed, two-bath, door man, the whole nine. And, like, we've had this deal since COVID. Brooks and her ex-husband actually lived there. So she doesn't like to come downtown. Wait, she passed it down to you. He passed it down. Yeah. So now we're like, mom and dad might take a room. We're just going to keep in the fan. Okay. But go back to living altogether. Correct. Yeah. And you're the one that stayed with Brooks. That's interesting. Yeah. It's an interesting. You wouldn't think. I mean, based on season one. And I say season one because, like, duh, there's going to be a season two. And the cameras better be fucking rolling right now with all the drama with me.

I'm like opening your, so, okay. Opening my goddamn loud mouth. I know. You confirming. By the way, the headline cracked me up because it was like, Gracian confirms exclusively to e-news. And I'm like, whoa. Yeah, I know. Like, not like overheard saying might have spilled it.

Yeah. Confirmed. The amount of like, the amount of messages. And calls I got of my friends being like, did you call E-News? Like, what happened? Okay, what happened then? What, break it down? I mean, don't let me loose on a press line.

I'm not allowed to go on them anymore. Also, I feel like when you're hungover, to be fair, that was like a rough morning. I wasn't even hung over. I had traveled. I was not hungover at all. I traveled the day before. That was Keynes morning. There was no excuse.

I know. I had just gotten back from Florida that night. And then I woke up on time, went through the press line, did the photos. She asked me what happened. Okay, but she came in late and we saw her from behind and we're like, oh, God. She, like, looked tired and was, like, talking. And they were asking us questions that we knew Grace Ann was answer. Yeah.

I'm not going to say I was too tired or hung over. Wait, so you didn't answer. We didn't answer. You got the same question. We got the same question. Like, who's broke stating? What's happening is it a tennis pro? And you, like, trade up where you were like Al-Qaraz?

Well, truthfully, what happened is I'm doing the press line. And the girl goes, the Enu's girl goes, your sister said you could answer this. So I was like, oh, okay, she said I could. And they're like, is she dating Carlos Al-Al-Graz? And I was like, I didn't say that she was. I never said, you were like, there's some tennis pros on the roster. I said, I think he's the man of the hour. Okay.

It's exclusively confirmed. It's hard for me to not, for example, I have a... The reporter said that. She said, Brooke said you can answer this. Well, because we know, she was talking about us. Because she asked us the question. We were like, well, we're not Grace Ann. Like, maybe she'll answer.

Oh. And so I took it as permission to answer. But also, to be fair, she, you didn't really confirm or deny anything specific. It was more like... They ran with it, for sure. They ran with it. I don't know. I like, confirmed.

Yes. And we were like, oh, my God. What happened with Brooks? So, okay, well, I'll... Okay, so I have a permanent beta blocker, is what my sister say. Like, I have no filter and I live with Brooks. And so it's hard for me to pretend like I don't see things or hear things or witness things firsthand. Yeah.

And so I just... Talk from it to pretend in front of the world. I know. I'm like, I really can't lie. I'm just an honest, girl. I'm just an honest girl. And the funniest part is that I truly thought. I thought I was being discreet and like sly and keeping my secret by saying he's the man of the hour,

but I can't confirm dating. I thought I was being so discreet. And then I was like, killed it, crushed it. I get in the car for my next fashion week event, phones blowing up. And I was like, holy shit. And I just put my phone away. I was like, oh, my God. I'm like going to wait for the call.

Yeah. And Lee, our publicist called me first and was like, you fucking idiot. And I was like, oh, my God. And then I just put my phone to my purse for the rest of the day. Did she really block you? She blocked you. She blocked me. Okay, but here's, they block each other all the time.

But here's how funny you guys are, because I'm an idiot, too. And the day that it happened, even though I'm a pop culture queen, I wasn't really that aware because, like, I heard she was dating sinner. And I was like, fine, it's Al-Crez. Like, it didn't seem like that big of a deal to me. Yeah. And then that's a day I thought of having you guys on my show. Stop.

You should have had us on a day, right? I would have confirmed it to you. No, but I swear. But I swear in my life, it had, it didn't have to do with that because I wouldn't have texted Brooks that day. Right. Well, she's like crazy, but I was like, hey, like, I'm dead. I need to have the sisters on.

And she was like, I'm so mad at Gannimal right now. Like, you started telling me. And I was like, oh, that's what's happening right now. Could you connect me? You're like perfect. You're like, no way, once we're not her. But what was so funny was like, she's like, she's black right now. But hold on.

I'll connect to. And then she like does it. And I'm like. Exactly. And boxy does that. She didn't speak to me for a while. And then it was, she was going on Andy Cohen's show. And our publicist was like, we need you to go on the show and like sit in the mic, sit in the audience mic.

And I was like, oh my gosh, this is going to be the death of me. Yeah. But after that, we made up with Bustis again. How do you, is she going to make you sign an NDA at some point? I'm not signing an NDA. Are you kidding me? You can't shut up. Wait, here's my question of you.

Did she kind of like that you kind of confirmed it? I don't know. Yeah. Can't confirm, but can't deny. My argument was there's worse things to be right about for. I mean, it feels like she did enjoy the aftermath of being like, yeah, too. A guy can do it. I mean, she crushed that answer, by the way.

And there's some hilarious memes coming out. They're putting her on the cover of Challenger's with the two guys. You know, the Zendaya cover I'm talking about. So that's good. I show her that. I'm like, this is positive. You look one in it. They chose a great thing.

Yeah. Someone made a chat GPT edit. Oh, God. That's so funny. I have to show it to you. I hate how Chachibati makes everyone AI, though. Can they make, like, the people and then just add the thing? Yeah.

Keep us normal looking. No, I know what you mean. This was one of those new video AI ones. Oh, okay. But it works in her favor because she looks hot AF. Oh, she loves it? Her AI person's amazing. Yeah.

She's, her AI robots. So there's been some positives. Yeah. But I'm trying to do her towards. Now it's a running joke. Wait, so how has it been since the show blew up? And everyone is like feeling you guys. It's been crazy.

So much fun. Yeah. I mean, we've just been like together nonstop since we filmed, which we filmed pretty recently. We finished in like what. I know. I love that. I love that it was a fast.

Yeah. All of those storylines are like still going and everything in real life. And so it's like we've just been having so much drama because we've been spending all of our time together and like doing a press tour and all that. It's so weird like one person. I'm so bad with names already. Yeah. I always just pretend like I know you because who knows if we've met.

so people will stop us in the street now and be like, hey, and I'm like, oh, my God, girl, I miss you. I miss you. And she's like, no, we haven't met yet. Like, we've never met. And I'm like, okay, oh my God. So that's definitely the weird thing. Is that your like Southern house? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are so sweet. Now I'm like thinking, are you fucking being fake to me? Oh, shut up. Totally. I'm like, Mary Holland told me she missed me when we went. No, just kidding. You didn't. You didn't. After the show premiered, your parents were a little shell-shocked by what they saw. The nipple pier is saying, yeah. We, like, watched it all for the first time together and, or the first few episodes at least.

And my dad, there's one scene where they're like, it's me being like, oh, yeah, our parents taught us that if you have sex before marriage, you'll go to hell. And my dad's sitting there, we have a video of him. And he's just like, it's true. He was just like watching me get my nipple's spirit. The whole thing was like a new level of like no boundaries with our parents. But they are such troopers, and they're so supportive. They, like, want to come to New York.

They're coming to New York next week. Like, we saw them two weeks ago. They were here for the press store. They want to be silent. They want to be part of our agents. They're like, when's WME calling me? No. I mean, I need a brand deal.

So our dad's hair is real. There's been no hair transferment. Bro, right? Bro. Yeah, B-R-E-A-U-S. It's a pretty iconic name. No, it's somebody yesterday. By the way, I've been talking about the show, like, everywhere.

I love to everyone. I love bro. And I was like, bro. bro. It was like, the dad and I was like, oh my God, that's how you pronounce it. Yeah. I am obsessed. It's like go tigers with a B.R. I need to like the Cajun's bow. Yeah. Like you need to name one of your babies. I know. We always argue. I'm dying to name a baby bro. But yours. Bro Jr. Yeah. But what? She has a second. I have. I'm, yeah, my boyfriend is a second. So I think we have to have a third and you know, there's going to tell their names. I

can like the first and second, the third. You know what I mean? Oh. You can be like. What? Oh, you're going to have to have, so you don't want it to be bro the first? I feel like bro is such a different vibe of a name. Of a second. Of a second. Yeah.

Okay. There's only one bro. Okay. There's only one bro. So your parents are in on it. They want to. So they're in. Well, they're just game for anything.

Their game. I think most of their shell shockness was more damage control and the extended family down in Louisiana. Like they get it already. They get it. Yeah. They're totally like our biggest supporters. Like, and I think this show was one of the less surprising things.

things that my parents have gone through. You know what I mean? Like the nipple piercings, the, I mean, there's been so much worse and all of that stuff. It's like there's been other things that are more upsetting to them. No, not upsetting. Your parents, not that that was upsetting at all. It was. Good job.

By the way, let's talk about the love that Sarah fucking Jane is getting. Oh, my God. She's the show. Don't you, oh, stop me. No, she's killing it. She loves it. She's like pretending to be like humble. I honestly, like, I was so nervous to like be vulnerable.

And, like, I'm pretty, like, private. I feel like, of the scissors, I'm the most shy, probably. Yeah. And so I was so nervous, like, even in interviews. Like, it's, like, eight hours of, like, just asking questions. And it's, like, so personal. And I was so nervous for that to be, like, shared with everybody. But the response that I've gotten from, like, random girls being, like,

you made me feel more comfortable. I live in a conservative family. And, like, it, like, has really given me strength. And I'm, like, I didn't even realize that that was, like, possible to have that impact. And I was here sitting, like, oh, I'm not, like, gay enough to, like, be part of that community, but I'm not straight enough. to be like, so I was like, I don't know where I fall and like sharing it has honestly made me so much more comfortable. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh, people relate to this. Like,

it's not just me. And it's been such a great experience. It's amazing. Where do you, how do you feel about it now? Like, as opposed to how you were talking about it on the show where you don't, you don't feel like you fall here and you don't. I feel like I have like taken off the pressure from myself to identify and like, like, like, buy or like can't, like whatever it is. I kind I've realized that, like, I don't have to decide that. You don't have to. And it's fine to be, like, in this middle. And just to be honest about that and vulnerable about it.

It's, like, refreshing, I think, to people. And I feel like you probably turned a lot of straight girls gay too. Oh, my God, 100%. I'm telling you the messages that I got, like, about Sarah Jane. And then, like, TikTok, like, have you ever seen a more beautiful human? You all are gorgeous, by the way, obviously. No, but Sarah Jane is a new. But I feel like also, you being gorgeous, yes.

you being gorgeous and like you're into girls the girls are like oh wait it's like I can't you know I could do it but I will say I don't think I'm like

turning them gay I think like that was already there but I'm honored to be but they're down to like you know the straight girls that are down yeah yeah totally I'm sure you know

I'm honored I'm sure you know I'm sure you're like oh wait if this is an option within the gay community right yeah yeah I'm honored I'm like

what are the DMs like I mean I like... Are guys hitting on you? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. But like, it's mostly girls, which I'm like, wow.

Because normally it's the opposite. It's like, all dudes. I'm like, ugh. What are girls as pickup lines? It's kind of cute. Like, it's like, but it's kind of boring too. It's like, I'm like, I'm taking for a drink. And I'm like, okay, but like, thank you.

I mean, that's a normal request. But I don't know. I don't know. I know. I know, but there has to be a vibe before the drink, you know? Right. Like, also, I'm now thinking, because I, like, I've never gotten, like, a lot of, like random dms of people like hitting on me and like I've like sent one or two DMs to like

celebrity crushes where I'm like I just want to see and I'll just be like high with two eyes thinking I'm all like cheeky and cute and I'm like I would never with the looking to the side of it like high like like that would be wild the eyeballs high but wait but kind of cute no yeah we actually like that you would just write high thinking that they would be like wow I'm going to respond I would never respond to hi. We'll be right back after the break. I'm not saying that I used to be bad with money, but I'm not saying that I like know whatever is going on in my bank account

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message and data rates may apply see terms for details and we're back okay who did you write to Sarah Jane hi who's your celebrity crush give us one celebrity crush okay so we get to know your type like you know yeah I'm embarrassed to say just say it so page Beckers the basketball player okay maybe you know basketball players yeah you're into basketball I mean for the for the girls for the right reason yeah he's super such a vibe did she answer She's a girlfriend. Oh.

And I think, I think it's this whole thing on TikTok that people were like, are they dating, are they not? And I really got into it. But they're really cute. But I do have a crush on her. Oh, so she has a girlfriend. Yes. Okay.

I don't know. It's actually really confusing. Is this your warning to the girlfriend? Wait. No. You know who she is? Yeah. Yeah.

I know who she is. Wait, so. No, you have. You also like, she is because of the car. Okay. It's kind of a moment. Showed everybody, by the way. I'm like, partly because of her.

Yeah, but maybe she showed you. I know. Well, yeah, she actually did. And then also I talk about her sometimes, so she's probably one-year-for-you page. And then, well, no, we would talk about our for-you pages and her entire four-year pages, page wreckers. And it's, like, fan edits of her dunking and stuff. And I'm like, you're obsessed with this girl. Wait, you want to be a wag?

I mean, I'm down. But also with Paige, her girlfriend is super beautiful and amazing. And we're Instagram friends. So, like, I don't want to, like, rustle-up. Okay. But they're really cute. If they're dating or if they're friends, I can't really tell. And if she could get an answer, that would be great.

I know. I really would love you know. So you also said something weird like you and Mary Holland are single. Yeah. She didn't say that. Lucy Cannon for no reason. The credibility. I was a little bit out of it that day.

I was. I told you. We are not single. This is what I was trying to say. And it was totally, I just did not come across and get my point across. They said, what does you and Mary Holland's roster look like? And I said, our roster is the same single as in a single person on the roster. That doesn't make sense.

I totally understand. that doesn't make, that doesn't make any sense. Me and Mary home. Our roster is the same. Single player on the roster. Oh, there's a single player on. I can't believe you. It doesn't take that up. I'm like never. That's crazy. I got blown up. Wait, did your boyfriend's care? So you said that? Luckily, my boyfriend doesn't tune into this kind of stuff. Okay. But no, I got a million messages. Are you going to, for some, I would love for you not to control your mouth. But do you think you will get. better at it? I don't, it's so hard to say because sometimes I don't think I love the reaction. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like when everyone's like, yeah. I just, I don't think I can physically. Yeah. She's always like that too. And I always say the wrong thing. Remind me the birth order. Brooks. Me. You. Grace Ann. Grace Ann. And then you. And do you feel like you guys fit those roles? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I think you all do too. Even being the third child, middle children totally understand. You were constantly looked over and, like, people just forget about you.

Was that it? Yeah. I don't know. Like, that's it for me. Like, I don't know if I was looked over it. No, but I know that's what they say about middle children. That's why we're like, blah. That's why I'm like, well, everyone's too much of a personality to be looked over that.

You can't look over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's why you, like, saying the wrong thing. Wow, that's so sad for us. I know. I was the more quiet middle child.

Then they're like two middle. There's two middle. So we're total different middles. We like represent different middle. Yeah. I'm much more quiet and reserved. And, like, I was always behind a book growing up and, like, hiding and, like, playing sports. And Grace Ann was much more, like, probably you were, like, in your face, a big personality.

During the pot. But Brooks does Brooks give Elvis? This is, like, her own beast of the person. Yeah. She does give eldest. She does. But also, she gives, like, her own thing. Yeah.

Like, she was always just, like, an abnormal child in the best way. You know what I mean? Like, my parents. we're like, what do we do here? Her and I used to go at it, too. Really? We used to fight, oh, my God, terribly. And you still do.

We still do, but I will say we are a lot better now. It's hard. As of the past few days can be, like, the best thing ever. And I think watching your show, I have two sisters. It made me want, like, one more, you know? Yeah. Part of the show, you're like, I want to be four sisters. And it's so fun.

Like, if you don't have this one, you have that one. Right, right. You always kind of have someone. But it's also, like, so much. drama all the time. Especially if you live close. You guys get jealous, like not career stuff, but like sister stuff, like Brooks is hanging out with Ganymoor more.

Like, can you get jealous? Like, you don't invite her, but she invited her. Absolutely. Even just a couple days ago, we were in L.A. And me and Brooks and Sarah Jane were staying together. And they like slept together every night. I would wake up in the morning and they would have room service coming in with coffees for them.

And I'm like, you didn't ask me if I want. Where were you sleeping? Just in the room next door. By the way. It was like a suite. Wait, and they, three of them were sleeping together? No, no, no, no. But by the way, when we're arriving to L.A.,

Gracian goes, you're sleeping with her. I've spent with her. Wait, she still can't sleep alone in the bed. You can't sleep alone. So living in the tonne halls, I sleep with her every night. And then gets jealous and plays victim and it's like, why are you sleeping together? And it's like, but by the way, I might have wanted my own bed. I wanted my own bed.

I'm always in the camp of the own bed. It wasn't just sleeping together. I'm becoming also dependent on the sleeping together thing. Really. Because I, like, lived with her in L.A. And then when we go to, like, travel and everything, she's like, sleep with me. I'm like, fine. Whatever.

I'll wake up one time. Does she sleep small? Like, or, like, are you guys like? No, we don't, we don't like. No. I wouldn't say if she sleeps small. No, because, like, sleeping with someone is, is something to get used to. You know, people that take over the bed, like, or you know the person is like a small sleeper.

Yeah. Yeah. You both sleep super small. Oh, you sleep small. With our little binkies. Yeah. We just away from each other. Oh, okay.

So still. When she was on the pod, she was saying that you guys had kind of like a rough fur summer. Me and her? Yeah. Like fighting? She said like that you were just like together a lot and there was like. We were together for like two months. Was it Europe?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All over Europe. And it was just like, I mean, we had the best time. But we, it was literally just us too, like going everywhere. And we've just got like sick of each other. You got sick of each other.

I mean, Sarah Jane's been on the Brooks program for about a year and a half now. What is the first program? I mean. Just going with her everywhere. like her minion. And then when she was on Dancing with the Stars, she moved to L.A. with her. Because I signed with an L.A. agency, and I was working out there

and it made sense for me. And, like, that kind of thing she wanted me to move with her. What do you think? Britian thinks I'm her little bitch. Really? You do? Yeah, I do think you're her little bitch. Like what? She doesn't speak up for herself enough? Exactly.

No, I do. So maybe she's just that type of person. I think she is. And I'm the type of person. She's right here. I think she's a pushover. But I mean she's just the type of person that doesn't like love confrontation and fighting about everything.

And it's more agreeable like, you know. But also like with the LA thing, it's like I, it was a great opportunity for me to go live in L.A. in this insane house that I was never going to go put myself up in a hotel like to spend time with my agency out there. So it was more. Also, why is that fucking not? You know what, Ganymore? You're being a little jelly.

Yeah. Why the fuck? wouldn't she? No, I went to L.A. I spent so much time in L.A. too. I'm giving you shit, which is a good time. She gets to, like, do her career. She wants to be a model.

She's trying L.A., like, it makes sense. Exactly. And she's saying there's a fine line between, like, you know, having to kiss the ring and stay good. And maybe you're like, okay, I'm not going to pick a fight. Right. She's fucking paying for this house. Yeah.

Totally. Are you guys paying for the apartment? Yeah. It's easy split four ways. Yeah. Okay. She literally said it wasn't, you guys. Oh, the so-ho-ho house.

Did she said that she was paying for that? we weren't. She said, you weren't. Okay. She didn't pay for it at all. That's not true. Okay. This is something I think people... She said that you guys are going to say that you did because you guys have so much shit on her that she can't negate that. That is not true. And I'm here once and for all. We all pay rent and we pay rent fairly. And so even with this townhouse that we live in now, she's like, you're drinking my water, living in my house. I'm like, first of all, I pay for my room. So... But maybe, okay, because it's not, like, even, then she thinks it's not okay.

Well, yeah, it's not even, but also. It's a sliding scale. Of course. Everyone, like, what they can do. Yeah. That's how it works. And she converted a bedroom into a closet. Yeah.

I know. We upgraded. Oh, my. And we upgraded. That fucking civil apartment was insane. Yeah. Yeah. Insane.

Yeah. The townhouse is amazing that we love having a little outdoor space. There's like, oh, my gosh. We love that to another fine line thing, though, when she was like, who wants to live in the townhouse with me. like just us too for a while, I was like, I'm not going to do this because I don't want to be told I'm drinking your water and I don't want to be cold like you're in my house. Right. I'm drinking it's hilarious because I got a call.

No, I tried to get in on it and then I'm back down. Sarah Jane's going to live in the townhouse now. You're not. And I said, first of all, it's not true. I just toured the townhouse, signed all the papers. My name's on the lease. Wait, are four names on the lease right now? No, it's me and Brooks.

Oh, and you're going to slowly move in. Yeah, yeah. There's rooms for us. So what about the boyfriends? though. So my boyfriend's in L.A. So it kind of is perfect. And your boyfriend is Florida.

My boyfriend's in Florida, yeah. But what's going to, like, what's the plan? So you guys were thinking about that in one. Yeah, everyone was asking. And honestly, I always tell him, I love New York. There's a big age gap. So he's 39 and I'm 26. So he's, like, settled in his career and doing all the things.

I'm like grind mode. And New York is the place to do that. So I've told him, like, babe, long desk, like, bi-coastal is the way to go now. I'm not moving anywhere for a man. I think on the show I was like, oh, maybe, you know, it'll be fun because of like super honeymoon. And we still are honeymoon, obviously. But how long have you been together? A year.

Yeah, just over a year. So now I'm just like, we're building our careers here. I'm starting a business here. It's like we can all. No, it's not the time. It's not the time. Yeah. And now it's so normal.

Right now I do. But the girls know, I fall really hard. Yeah. Do you guys think she's going to marry him? I think you're going to marry him. Really? I like so in love with him. I can see it.

Really? And what about you? My boyfriend's younger. He's 28. Yeah. So her boyfriend's the royal, actually. Oh, he's the royal, but he's like super loaded, your guy. He's, yeah, I mean, he's, he's fine. But he's young. He's 28.

So I'm not. He's not stressed. I'm not like, let me move in or let me, you know, we're not like there yet. But why they made it sound on the show like you, like, want to be a Florida housewife. Yeah, I, that's not my goal. Yeah. Yeah. I don't.

It's not. It is her goal. It is her goal. It was saying that because I was spending a lot of. a time there, but I will say in the beginning. I don't give that at all. She doesn't. She doesn't at all, but I think this is what was misunderstood. In the beginning of a relationship, you have to put in a little extra effort and time. You know what I mean? So the first year we were dating, I was going to visit all the time, like locking it down, making sure that we, you know,

had a good foundation for the relationship. And now you can like. And now I'm like, I'm going to stay in New York and work. And he's like, that's fine. He comes up and visits me all the time. So I'm not moving anytime. Are the boyfriends worried that you're like, yeah? I don't think, because, again, they don't, neither of them tune into this kind of stuff. Okay. Kind of perfect. So they don't know how much, you know.

We wouldn't have to tune about it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, my boyfriend's not worried. He's like. Are you getting guys sliding into your DMs? I mean, there's always going to be guys sliding into every girl's DM. I mean, no, I could be sure.

I have to say none are in line. Oh, shut out. I swear. I don't believe that. I don't believe you for a second. I do not. I'm not trying to be funny, you guys. There totally is. I am not even being funny.

There's no way. There's at least a few. Well, Amanda, what's your tight? I would be in your DM for the end of the day. I have a husband that doesn't listen to this. So, anyway, my time is, no, but it would be nice to get some fucking recognition on these streets. Right. But I feel like I don't give it.

It's like, Pavica, like I'm just not, stop looking at yourself again. I'm all. I'm trying to see if this angle suits me or not. Yes. And I just got this doll. All the angle to you. Stop looking at yourself. Am I not a nadir?

You are. You are. A blonde nadir. I'm a blonde nadir. I'm a blonde nadir. I'm going to slide into your dance. Yeah, we're all going to slide in. Maybe you all should have a fake relationship.

That'll spark. A fake. Oh, like a like post together or something. Yeah. We don't do that. It's real or nothing. I know. Was it real the ones on the show that you've had that you had?

Yeah. Like you had like two groups. Two girls on the show. Yes. And they were for realsies. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

It was very like natural. When you took home. Yes. Well, so she was my friend first and like we are still friends. It was just like that blurred line that I think a lot of like queer girls experience where it's like are we more than friends. Like is this a vibe? Because you're like touchy feely. But like you don't know.

And we're both very free spirited. But ultimately we're friends. But it was she was great coming home and like she had the best time at home. It was like it was so fun. But, yeah, I don't know. I think I'm figuring out my love life. She's also 23. So, like, she has all the time in the world to figure it out.

There is something so mature about Sarah Jane. 100%. She's so mature. I think out of, like, even though all of you are, Sarah Jane's the best. Yeah. Like, the way you speak is just like, just wiser than your years, honestly. That is, like, the best compliment because I do not feel like.

Like, 23? Like, I sound dumb now. But, like, imagine how I sound. I know. Like, she should try for a second, guys. It was crazy. And you just, just even the way you speak, I'm like, jealous of it. Oh my God. She's so well spoken. Right? She's so well spoken. I go to her for advice. I always have. Like, she's just mature and wise. I watch these girls, like, go through so much. And I feel like it just teaches you a lot. But I don't feel well spoken or like wise. Like when I was doing my interviews, I was so insecure about how I sounded and like all this thing. You sounded amazing.

You sounded so good. Thank you. Are you good at like texting and emails to? Just so we know. Oh, no. Just so we know. I'm not good at texting at all. At all. Kind of the worst. Kind of the worst.

I text these people, these girls. And that's like it. Your text don't make sense ever. No, they don't. I'll read it and just be like, what? It's like the weirdest most spastic shit. And then I won't reply for like days. And then I'm like, but it doesn't make sense.

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You guys, why did I see somewhere that you're, I know, gross, prepare, Eskimo and Sisters? Which ones? Not too gross. Not all of you. Yeah, me and Grisand are. Not all of us. You all of us. You all of uskimo sisters.

You and Brooks are Ascomo sisters. Really? I think me and Brooks are Askimo sisters. It doesn't matter. You and I are not, really? We do not have the same type of. No. But if we are, it's usually a guy that we didn't really care about that much.

So there's not someone like... There's no one major. Have you ever been interested in the same guy? Yeah. Yeah. Me and you. Oh, yeah, we have. We did have a little jealous.

Me and Brooke had some serious, like, crossover. Really? Yeah. We spent a lot of times together this summer. There was just a lot of like... She did say something about this summer. There's a lot of, yeah. But we...

What do you mean? What's happening? No. A lot of what? A lot of, yeah. Like a lot of... It's no text that don't make sense. A lot of, there's a lot of...

A lot of actual stuff happening or a lot of like you're both like, oh, he's hot. he's hot stuff happening I would say there's been a lot going on for the both of them I think it says more about the guys though of like like somebody will like hook up with one of us and then it's like they immediately try with the next and you're like oh but then one of you should be like oh you hooked up with my sister yeah but sometimes you don't know that until after the fact and then you know what I mean yeah I mean not personally but it happened have you and your sisters ever had any crossover are you insane no stop or a cross How close in age are you guys? We're five years apart. My other sister is two, but always so different. Right. Different people that you like. The people that we like.

Yeah. It doesn't, I mean, is this happening in Baton Rouge? Yeah. It didn't happen to me in Baton Rouge. There's only so many boys in Baton Rouge. Yeah, it happened with friends in Baton Rouge. But like, never y'all. Yeah, never us.

No, it never had. Everybody's our cousins in Bad Rouge. Literally, that whole party was like everyone was family. A million cousins. yeah it's like and what is the vibe is it really that like conservative they're not with it now with what's going on with the younger it's pretty conservative I would say I think yeah we have like we have like 30 cousins and they're all amazing and we have great relationships with them it's just like like our mom was raised very conservative and religious and so like when I came out there was an adjustment period where she was

like wait a second like this is not what I expected for you whatever and so I think there's just a lot of people are raised differently down there and us moving to to New York even is like, my God, the big city. Like, it's crazy. And so we love them and we have great relationships. It's just there are some things that, like, are not topics of conversation, you know, which is what it is. Do you think your parents are going to move here? I mean, you're all like, yeah.

We're hoping for a split-time situation to use them in. Who's the closest with them? Who texts them the most, calls them the most? We all. I talk to mom every day. I talk to my dad every day. Oh, you do? You're a daddy's girl.

Yes, I am. Somebody's calling, what, that sounds not good. Yeah, yeah, you're right, right, you're right. Daddy's girl. And also your dad doesn't look so young. He does. Yeah, we can't say that with him. Yeah, you can't.

But I'm a friend of my father, yes. I'm sending my father. I'm dead. Wait, do you call your dad? I call my dad, yeah. Yeah? I call my mom more, but I call my dad a lot. I probably talk to my dad every other day and my mom every day.

Sometimes twice a day. They're probably just so entertained. No, yeah. Never bored. Like, imagine, like, just getting phone calls, hearing. the drama. Like, that's what's so fun about having girls. They're like, I mean, it's a, they're watching the

reality show every single day. And they call us with ideas for the show. They're like, no, I thought of the best little bit we could do. No, they're all in. Yeah, they're all in. They're all in to it. I am sad. It's like a producer basically. No. That was so cute. You got to have him on the pod, honestly. He would be a little bit of sure. I don't know. We're going to have to

seriously give him some parameters before that one. Wait, so. The show takes off. Everyone knows you now. Has anybody changed with this extra fame? Has it gotten to anyone's head? We're not like Beyonce vibes. Right.

Right. We're like still our same old cell. Under 100K. Yeah. Yeah, we all have no followers. Yeah. We're no followers. Follow them, you guys.

Follow them. I don't feel like anybody. People keep out nowadays on following. It's true. We do. We do. I don't feel like anybody's, I mean, we haven't. I don't think I've changed. She keeps looking at herself in those things.

I don't know. I'm not sure if I liked my turtlene. She likes that. She's feeling, well, I told you. I told you. I'm actually second-guessing my turtle neck. It's a good love. Really? Because I look clean. No, but like getting the love, Sarah Jane, DM's blowing up. Yeah. Getting more campaigns, signing with a big agency. Like, I feel like it's made me like just like see what we can do. And like the like possibilities have just expanded. meeting with our agents and everything. I'm like, I'm not limiting my dreams really anymore. Yeah. Yeah. This is really something that can like be a huge thing. And so I feel like it's

just like taking the lid off of our dreams. What is the dream now? Well, I feel like being, realizing how much attention the show has gotten, I just wake up every day. I'm so grateful. And then I'm like, this is amazing, this opportunity. And then next I think, what am I going to do with it and not that will actually move the needle some way. Yeah. Yeah. And make it something good. What are you thinking? kind of difference. I mean, I really, I have my master's in public health. Right. And I've been really passionate about women's health care equity. It's such a problem, especially in the New York area. So we're working to get involved with nonprofits and kind of enter that space heavily. And then who

knows where it can take you? You know, I feel like you meet one person who introduces you to another person and just being in New York and being able to network is such a gift. You still want to model. Yeah, I still want a model. And mainly modeling has, you know, given me some extra cash through my master's and living in New York. It's obviously expensive. We also. support our own lives. Right. And I do want to model. I want to book all the good campaigns and do all that. But it's never been my, I didn't grow up being like, I want to be a supermodel. You know what I mean? No. And Sarah, did you? Yeah. Not really. I mean, I, I think like in middle school, once I saw Brooks living in New York. I was like, oh, my God, I want to do this. Wait, you were in middle

school and she moved to New York. I think so. Or no, I wasn't. I was in freshman year of high school. Yeah. And I visited her and I was like, oh, my God, I want to do this. Like, this is so cool and fun. I want to be in the magazines and on the billboards. But I think, I think, like, I'm still figuring out, like, my exact specific dream. I feel like we are all kind of taking a beat and being like, because we're so grateful for like the response from the show and being like, how can we use this? Don't take a beat. But no, not taking it. We can afford to take a minute to think about like how we can use it to like do something impactful because there's so many reality shows and different things where are people with platforms that like don't really harness that good. And

there's so much going on in the world. So I think we're all. like strategizing as sisters how to like maximize the impact and like just the effect of our show in general. We also don't come from Hollywood or don't come from this world at all. Right. Everyone in our hometown. Everyone in our hometown, like if you're successful, you're a doctor or a lawyer basically. So I always wanted to be a doctor. But now our eyes have just opened to so many different possibilities of what you can do with your life. Of course, you're going to take this and you're going to run with it. Exactly. You really have to. And what about you? micro retirement. Yes. I actually have kind of a full plan. I know, like Sir Jane was saying,

I'm currently starting a company, Mary and Pip, to kind of make finance cool again. Bring fashion and finance combine them. So follow that on Instagram. Mary and Pip. Mary and Pip. Is that where you started working on the show? Yes. So the idea was a little bit different on the show. I mean, people forget that like I quit my job on the show and then had this idea. And then also was filming a reality TV show. So I was very overwhelmed with those life changes. I was 26 and like not knowing what I wanted to do. Like three months ago. Yeah. Back when I was 20s. Back when I was 26, by the way. But I think that to Sarah Jane's point when the show came out and I realized that a lot of people don't know what to do with their finance and feel dumb by corporate America and feel stupid by banks, like,

I was like, oh my gosh, there is, I have a platform and I can teach people. Yeah. No, that's amazing. know what I mean. So I think that since the show came out, if anything, it gave me validation. Because you see on the show my idea, everyone was like, what are you talking about? And I was like, am I dumb? Am I going to like ever start a company? And then when the show came out, I'm getting a lot of DMs more so like it resonated me with me. Let me know when your app is out. Like I can't wait. Yeah. So that's been very validating. So you feel like you're out of the sister is the least into this like public facing life? I think so. But I will say, I think I have a different, like, view when it comes to the public facing, like, I'm working on

starting a podcast for the financial literacy space. I write a lot on substack. So I love to be on my own side of the media if that makes sense. But you did, you were doing a little bit of the modeling. Oh, that's true. Yeah. So the modeling is a little bit for me, like more of a cash flow. Yeah. And it definitely helps with my creative side. Because a lot of Mary and Pip is bringing culture into the finance space. And so modeling just helps me keep my finger. on the polls, if that makes sense. Well, I love that. Yeah.

And also, like, one less to compete with. Exactly. Yeah. Like, you guys are. Yeah. Exactly. I get, like, that's, I think she is. No.

At least, like, one sister isn't coming from my throne. Yeah. No? It's true. A little bit. So when Brooks was on, we did talk a lot about Gleb, because that was such a big part of the show, you did a lot of, like, TikToks with him when they were still together. I did.

You were like, in a. cranking him out. I mean, every time Glove was her and I was like, Glob. Were you like the most friendly with him out of the sisters? I was me. I was and I will say. I basically live with the dude for like time around him, but I felt close to him. And like, I really did love him, you know, like a brother. Like we were, we would hang out and talk about real things and like. So you didn't, you thought he was good for her at the time? I thought he was great at the time. You know, he was exactly what she needed. She also. had to spend every day with him already.

So it's just kind of an added bonus to get, you know, a little extra. But one of you, was it, which one of you was, like, go through his phone? Was it you? It was me. All of us. So you were, you were suss about him. We were all, like, considering a P.I. Because things just, like, picked up so fast and, like.

No, but it was funny because we're, our southern roots showed, like, showed up because it wasn't films. But when that all was happening, we would go back and forth. Like, I'd be like, I don't trust him. And then Brooks would be like, like, y'all be nice and the girls and my mom would be like yeah we love glad we love glad like we would we were gaslit yeah but i'll say the reason i was so adamant about going through his phone is because i had heard things from people being like you should tell your sister to look out or oh i heard

about this happening with this girl like him being on a sincere warnings from people and when that happens you have to follow through not to get lightly you know and now do you hate him yes of course yeah has he tried to talk to you yeah no he's a coward brook said about you that you like go for drinks with, like, exes. Okay. So you'll be like I had a drink with him. That happened once with her ex-husband. Okay.

That's the only time it happened. Yeah. She never met up with any of your exes. Yeah. She did with mine. And my ex-try before her. But I found out when I met up with her ex that they were still hooking up.

So I was like, she's like, so she was like, oh, so you're hanging with her too. Why are you meeting up with their exes? Well, I will say this. I, no, I ran into her, actually. I did. Okay, but like you, I would let you know if I ran into her physically. And my friend I was with his also friends with her.

They're like, why don't you sit down for a second? Was it the gorgeous ex that I saw you with once? Oh, yes. Yes. She's gorgeous. And I would say she's not fully out of the conversation. Okay. It's my business.

Girls. Yeah, we don't air. She's amazing. Like, we love. I will say Sarah Jane. You do have this thing. Oh, no. No.

Where you're like, like, on the show, you were like, people aren't asking me about my relationship. Don't ask me about my relationship. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. It's different that people not asking me. You never have to say it. No, it's different.

This is different. Like, it's different when you're going home and like nobody's asked you about who you're seeing. When I've had a girlfriend for two years. You know what I mean? Like, I had been out for three years and I hadn't been asked in certain settings at home with like certain people from church or whoever it was. I see. And all always being asked was like, who's Grace Ann seeing? I heard she went on a date last week.

And like, I've had a girlfriend. that I'm very public with for two years and not one person has asked me. So that is like the homophobia, like, you know, hit. I got you. Versus like, I don't want to talk about, like, who I hooked up with at this party or whatever, like, with the girls all being like a zoo animal.

Like, who was it? Who was it? Is she secretive, like, at home, too, or just, like, in public? I, she's pretty secretive. Yeah? Yeah. It's just, like, private to me. I also think it's different.

When you're just fine, like, you don't have to say. But I also think it's different when, like, like, we all talk about, like, the guys we hook up with or whatever. but like when it's a girl, it's like that's their privacy too. You're right. It's true. It's true. It's like a.

Because we think about who cares about it. Yeah. And with girls, you want to be more respectful. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. That is true. Sarah Jane for president.

No, literally. Sarah Jane for president. Don't ask me. What? Ellie Golding on the show. You did make it pretty obvious that you guys hooked up. You don't think it was obvious? I think.

She said it, I think. She is, like, one of our really good friends. And that's another thing. It's like, I don't know. She's just one of our best friends. And I didn't, I wasn't trying to make anything super obvious. I respect her and her privacy as well. Yeah.

And, like, she has, I mean. Right. I can't with her, with her, like, when she's trying to be supportive on the side, like, being serious, like, mm-hmm, yeah. Do you see how hard I'm trying? Yeah, we love Ellie, though. I mean, she's the best. I really love how also what I think is so relatable about you guys.

I mean, you are going to be living in a huge brownstone after the sow house, which was also insane. But you do talk about your finances and like trying to make money through brand deals. And like, you're very, very open about that because you say, even though there were some people, I saw like on TikTok when you were talking about coming from like a small town. And then they pan to your house and it was like a big, like, how do you navigate those moments? It's when the fans are getting into it. I mean, I just am like, you know, we know the truth.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think. Like someone sent me a Reddit throughout the other day of a random person being like, their dot is easily worth $30 million. I was like, yeah. Oh, my God. And I also, one of my friends sent me something that was like a comment.

It was like Sarah Jane has gone to Aspen every year her whole life. She's so like, they grew up rich, whatever. I've literally never been to the city of Aspen. So I was like, this is just like crazy and like crazy. So like, this is a stock. image of a house. Like, we lived in that house that we did, like, go to in the show. And like, it's like, we know the truth. It's what our mom always tells us. And your mom was a school teacher? She still did. School nurse. She's a nerds her whole life. And your dad?

My, our dad, for the first, like, 10 years of our life worked for a nonprofit fellowship of Christian athletes. And he made, like, $18,000 a year. So we truly had nothing. They also just had us so young that they were like, controlling to get jobs or whatever. Yeah. But then he got a better job and started working in finance. He realized very quickly. He realized, like, we have to all go to school and like all the things. And so by the time I was like in middle school, it was very different from when Brooks was in middle school. Yeah. But still not upper class. Like we were still in middle, you know, trying to make it. But I think my dad like tried so many different things. He was in seminary for a while. He like got into law school at one point. He thought

about being in the army or something. And then finally he was like, you need to do what I do and just manage people's money and four daughters. And he's still doing that. He's still doing that. And he helps me. That's why I talk to him every day. Because he helps, I'm building a similar business. You gotta have one next. He's got to have him. Dad's girl. Dad's girl.

Father's daughter. That's a much better. Biggest fight you ever had? Ooh, there's been so much. No, I feel like when you went to. When Brooks calls about the drinking problem. No. Oh, yeah.

Well, there was a worse fight. That was a big fight. That was the biggest. The biggest fight. Can we talk about the drinking thing? Yeah, we can talk about the drinking thing for sure. And the show a little bit. It's like, oh, you have.

this thing, intervention. Basically. How serious was this? I mean, they would say it was really serious. Basically, when I moved to New York, I just partied really hard and like all the time. And I somehow was still in school and making all these, but going out every single night until like 4 a.m. So I was like party girl, party girl. And so then, yeah, my sisters were like, you're drinking too much.

A couple incidents. Were you drinking during the day? No, not during the day. Were you drinking alone? No, I wasn't drinking alone. It was just like a lot of too much partying. And it was becoming a different person when she was drunk. I feel like there's like too tight.

I mean, doesn't everyone? No, there is. It was like she would get super drunk and like, sorry to talk about you like you're not here. No, I think that I'm the only one that should speak on it. No, yeah, you can. I don't. Yeah, I would just get fucking hammered on a series. I would just get, yeah, I would just get blackout and hammered.

And so I, my parents, my dad was like, you have to stop drinking all this stuff. So I'd stop drinking for, I think like 14 days and just to prove. I could do it because I was like, I'm not addicted to alcohol. Yeah. So I stopped drinking and now I'm just like aware of it. I don't drink as often. But it's not something that I like struggle every day with. And that's why I wanted to be sensitive about it on the show because I'm not sober.

And I know a lot of people struggle with sobriety and that's like a huge problem. And I don't want to claim to have those same everyday struggles that some people do. Do you look at that time like a dark time or or is it just like I, is it just that? Like I moved to New York. I was partying. I was like out of control. I look at, yeah, I look at it as a dark time, but I don't, I was, I had a blast. Yeah. But do you, like, I want to know if you don't like that it's painted the way that it was on the show,

that it's sort of like intervention vibes? I think, I think it's good because I think sobriety is something that is talked about so black or white and like people have a problem or they don't. And like, you're sober or you're not sober. But I think it's important to draw. attention to like sometimes we should just be aware that maybe we're drinking too much and just be aware that it's there and you don't have to go fully sober or fully party girl mode you know yeah especially coming out of the SEC no she makes a good white because it is black and white yeah it'd be like I had a really like yeah crazy year yeah yeah yeah at this time my life where I was and now you're you're managing it well because you're I mean fashion week this that New York the show I mean that's the thing now

I just work so much that I you know you don't have time to party as much. Yeah. And also, yeah, I'm very aware of it and I try to work out every day, which is something that has really helps me because if you know you're going to work out the next day, you're like, I can't be hung over and I'll be miserable. Right. So I try to work out every day. I wake up at 8 a.m. every day and just have those daily things and markers that kind of keep you in line because I've always needed that. Like I'm such an extremist. But what? And I will ask the sisters a little bit. Yeah. What kind of person did she

become when she was like drinking and that was. Well, the worst. I would. Yeah. I would just say uncalled for things and out-of-pocket things that would get me in trouble. Wow. And not apologize. I mean, you think you're sober is a loud mouth. Would you apologize after? No. She would not acknowledge it.

And if you tried to ask about it, it was like. So those were probably the biggest fights. But that's all the thing. I think you make such a good point with the gray area. It's like we didn't know also how to like go about that because we knew she was like not full like. Addicted. waiting to be sober maybe, but it was like, do you want to hear the intervention that was had with me?

Basically, my dad came up. We all went to dinner where everyone was drinking and they said, Gracian, you can't drink anymore. And everyone, like, goes on to order out drinks. I was like, this is such bullshit. And they all went to a club and I went home. I was like, this is not how you do. Wait, that was the intervention?

Yeah, we didn't go clubbing and tell her. She's making that part of it. Yes, you guys did. That's why when we had an intervention with Brooks, I was like, why don't we call in a professional? Because I think that that is epic intervention, which was wild. Crazy.

I've been talking about that a lot as an example of why I love the show. One of those Zempic thing is an amazing representation of that because people could have easily been like, this is like fucked up and like she's skinny. Why is she going Zembek? Trigger warning. Yeah. All the trolls would come out, you know, bad example. However, I at least didn't see any of that.

And I think it's because like there was so much honesty there and so much bluntness about it. Yeah. Then nobody, I feel like, en that. That's the key to this fucking world that we're navigating. If you're honest, nobody can fuck with you. Yeah. So true. Like you're fucking invincible because she fucking said it.

She said why. She knows it's not good. She knows it's not healthy. You girls know, like, but she fucking put it all out there. So I really didn't see anyone like giving her shit. Totally. Yeah. We're criticizing her.

And I will say before the show started filming, Brooks and we all sat down and we were like, when we go into this, because you're like, what are we going to show? What are we going to not? And we all said that exact thing. Like, no one can fuck with honesty. Right. And as long as we're authentic, then, you know, we can at least go to sleep at night knowing we were ourselves. And I think that's a theme throughout the show talking about taboo topics, whether it be money, O-Zempic, you know, coming out, sexuality. Like, we just throw it all out there because they're all topics that no one really wants to touch on. And reality TV was filtered, honestly. And so we like, let's change that.

I really felt that about the show, like, that we need this kind of reality TV where they're like, people are willing to put it out there, not the fucking, I never watch, you know, like, those reality stars are going on a show and they're like, I've never seen it before, like, just happened to be cast or, you know, just like those vibes I'm so fucking over. And you guys put out there, like, yes, you want to be famous, you want to be in it, you want to be known, but you're also willing to fucking get down and dirty. Yeah, totally.

And I love it. It's good. We love you. I think it also gives us a chance to really reflect on our lives and think about it more. Yeah. Because, you know, after the show, people are like, okay, so you had a drinking problem and, like, you are coming out via, you know, despite your conservative family, you're O-Zempic, you're quitting your job. And it's like, oh, wait, those are true things. Huge deal.

Yeah. That we're going to now address and see how we can maneuver and, you know, take these. Well, not that's so Zemphic, though, because one of you said we all did it. So I'm not one that's I've tried it. She's taken it. I've tried it, yeah. I took it for like, when I was living in LA, I was like just a little like depressive mode. And I, it helped with like just obsessive thoughts in general about food or like just like having a healthy relationship with food.

And I don't take it anymore. But it kind of like reset my brain. Like I think there's a healthy way to use it where like it just it's like it's crazy how it can control like whether you're binge eating or like under eating. It's like you think less about what you're eating, which is like a healthier way to move, I think. But I think it's different for everybody. And Brooks will say, like, I'm not taking it healthily. And like, I should address it, but she is not off of it yet. She's not off of it.

No. But she's very honest. She's like, I just, I can't get off it. I'm addicted. And so. He's addicted to, like, not having to deal with food. Right. I guess so.

You never took it. You've tried it. On my birthday last year. What is tried it? We're talking about it. Like it's like a drug. Like, no, I didn't even try it. So on, this is so funny, on my 24th birthday last year, I was like, I feel so fat.

And Brooks was like, do you want a shot for your birthday? So I took a shot. I think it lasted like two weeks, but I was so nauseous. You want a shot for a shot? I know. I was so nauseous. So I took it for your birthday. So I took it on my birthday a year and a half ago.

And I didn't eat for two weeks. It was like great and stuff. But I, that was the last time I've taken it. And I know everyone else had been on it, like Ben prescribed it and stuff. And I. They prescribed it. It's described it to you, Sarah Jane. They can just throw it out.

Yeah. But what do you say that you have, like, obsessive thoughts about food? Yeah. You really don't have to say much. But do you? I did at a time. Like, because of modeling, like, right?

I guess. And just, like, mental health. Like, I mean, I have obsessive thought. I'm thinking about food right now. I know. I'm really worried. Yeah. I can't wait for that.

Like, I think with the show, like, if you, like, read the, like, the description of the episode's, like, Brooks is on his ownismic. You might think, like, oh, this is, like, encouraging people to get on an isymic, but she's very honest about, like, the struggle of it and that she knows it's not healthy and that she's, like, suffering in her body from it.

But she's, like, dependent on it. So I think it's, like, the fact that it's an honest conversation and it's not just like, no, right. This is how I got skinny. Like, body image in general for girls is such a thing. And, like, to talk about that, Raleigh is, like, very, I think, refreshing to people. But you're not on it now. No, I'm not on it now.

No. I get too much. She works out all the time. I need to work out more. But we need to get better about working. None of you need to be on it. Yeah, no. None of us three are on it.

But it is hard to watch Brooks because, like. Are you trying to, are we doing another intervention? I don't know. I think it's. She's microdosing. She's unerventional. The new people. I feel like, right?

Celebs are saying that now to make it sound more chic. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what that means. I think she's just self-dosing, which is a problem. But I will say there's an amazing doctor in LA who's like dermatologist and like just kind of like spiritual and she has these herbal things that we heard about recently. that's like T's.

So I'm thinking about like kind of pushing that like a switch to the T. Oh, for Brooksie? Yeah, holistic medicine. No, this is so fucked up. But I was watching this Charlie Sheen documentary

and he was addicted to like crack for years. And so, and they didn't know what to, you know where I'm going with this, Ariel? Okay. So stay tuned. So they didn't know what to do with him anymore because he wouldn't get off the drug.

So they had his drug dealer like start diluting his dose. Oh my gosh. So it took like a year, but he would just be like, I'm not getting high. I'm not getting high. I'm not getting high. That by the end of the year, he was like, fuck this. Like, that's how Charlie Sheen got so worth.

So what can we replace the viols of the olympic? Okay, but like, okay, we need to figure out. We're diluting where she's like, it's not working anymore. Fuck it. I'll move over to the herbs. Yes. Yeah. You're welcome.

Amanda. Can you cut this idea so we can get her with it? Yeah. Cut immediately. We have to keep that one of secret. Okay. That's amazing. So good.

secret and we're going to do it. I'm obsessed with you, Amanda. I'm obsessed with you guys. Thank you for coming. I love you. Everybody will follow them. Shout out Simon. Okay.

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