Not Skinny But Not Fat - Mandy Moore is Back!

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

Friend of the pod Mandy More is back! We discuss her new movie with Nate Bargatze, Breadwinner, the LA fires, and the toll they took on her family, the three kids of it all, mom group drama, her friendship with Hillary Duff, and so much more.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episodeVisit crocs.com or a store near you to find your perfect pair of Classic Clogs!For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit Nutrafol.com and enter promo code NOTSKINNY10Learn more and plan your trip at VisitBuffalo.comWatch Love Island USA tonight at 9PM EST/6PM PST only on PeacockGo to perelelhealth.com and use code NOTSKINNY for 20% off your first order.To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNYVisit drinkspindrift.com and use code notskinny for 15% offFind bottle Starbucks Frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your gas or groceries.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey guys, happy Tuesday.

Welcome back to Not Skinny Bonafat. I'm your host, Amanda. I'm, I don't know, I think I'm like allergic or something's going on because I'm like congested again, but I love it. Just like talking to you guys, like you're my mom, like literally. But in case you're like, you sound stuffy. I wonder what's going on, Amanda.

So I'm telling you, like, I think it's allergies. But isn't it funny when you say that and you know you're a person that doesn't get allergies? But you're like, it's probably allergies. And people are like, oh, you're allergic to what? Like, and you're like, I don't know. The weather changing. So maybe it's just changing weather. Anyway, I'm recording this on Friday.

And it is Tuesday today if you're listening on Tuesday when the pod comes out. And that means that I'm 38 years old, which freaks me out to say that right now, that it's been my birthday when it hasn't yet. Like, that gives me, like, bad juju. Like, I'm just, like, okay, let's take it back. I didn't just say that. You know what I mean? Like, let it happen.

Like, I don't want to, you know, sham. I'm very superstitious when it comes to that shit. But, yes, if you're listening on Tuesday, it means that it has been my birthday. And I just want to note that, like, I feel like I haven't talked about my birthday. I haven't been like, it's almost my birthday. haven't posted the meme that I usually post that's like I've been waiting for all of May for it to be the end of May so it's my birthday because I feel like I didn't feel that this year. Now, I think I said this somewhere, but like I wanted to say that and like post the meme and be like,

it's so weird like I don't feel that this year. But then I thought people would think that I'm like not into getting older or like being one more year older. And I'm like, that's not my vibe at all. Like I'm super, super happy to turn 38. And I think it's young and shake and great. I just maybe like calm down about my birthday, like, which can come with growing the fuck up. So, yes, I feel like I grew the fuck up that I calmed down about my birthday. But so that's what I thought.

Okay, that's what I thought. And then I think I've talked to you guys about this before, but the way it's been done kind of in my family and this was inherited to my husband and all of our husbands and the fam is that like my family has always like planned birthdays for the person that's having a birthday. The person that it's their birthday just waits to see like, what are you going to be? do for my birthday and like their years you're going to be blown away and you're going to be surprised by presents and maybe a little trip up state or whatever it is and there are years where you're like okay we're going out to brunch that was the big fucking surprise so I think like every year the past couple of years I've been saying enough with the shit like let me just like I want to take the control back and like decide what I'm doing for my birthday and like tell you guys and if you guys want

to then like surprise with you. something you can, but I want to know that, like, I have control over one thing that's happening during this huge holiday. And I've been saying that I'm going to do that. And then this year, husband, I have both birthdays and May. So we always kind of discussed, like, kind of like, you know, what we're going to do. He fell into the thing of surprises too. So, like, I surprised him. He surprised me. But this year, we were like, let's just, like, be chill and, like, maybe, like, let's do a trip together, like, do a trip with the kids or whatever. And then, like, time started approaching. Anyway, and I was like, yeah, I want to do like at least like a night like me and you,

like even like upstate somewhere, like somewhere driveable. And then when I come with the idea a couple weeks ago, like let me like I looked into what's called wildflower farms, I think, wildflower farms. I was like, okay, like let's go this night. And then I tell my sister, she's like, we have something planned that day. And I tell my husband, I was like, I don't care if they has something plan. Like, if it's a brunch, like I want to go for a night. And he's like, let me talk to Ariel about it. And I'm like, oh, everyone's being fishy. weird so like I can't schedule this because something else is happening. And now I'm upset. Like from not caring about my birthday, I'm like, I'm pre-obset. Not because I'm like pre-disappointed. I'm sure it'll be

fine, but because like I didn't do what I said I was going to do. And what I said I was going to do was like plan my own birthday, know what I'm going to do. It doesn't, you know, you change as a person. And now I don't like the feeling of not knowing and not having control. Like let me have control. Let me say like, I know what I'm doing on my birthday. On Friday, I'm going here. I'm going to, go to a spa on Saturday. Like, when I feel like I've been staying in the last couple of years, I'm gonna change a shit up,

and I'm gonna take it in my own hands, and I didn't take it in my own fucking hands. Like I was going to, but it was too late or some fucking shit. Anyway, I'm not pre-upset. Okay? I'm a little pre-upset. I'm already like,

if it's a fucking brunch, shots will be motherfucking. I will say husband's very good at gifts. Like last year he got me the Bill and Seagga. City bag, the year before that, like a ring concierge, fucking diamond bracelet, like a year before that, like, a Cartier bracelet. Like, everything nice I have is, like, things that were either gifted or husband bought me

for my birthday. And him knowing alone, like, I've never pointed to a thing. I've never said a thing. He just, like, knows that kind of shit. Like, if your husbands need help, come to husband, okay? Because he got the gift giving down. Me, I'm the opposite for him. I do not know what to get him as a gift.

He's such a specific guy that if you get him a shirt with, like, the pocket on the left side and on the right, like, he doesn't want it. So I don't fuck with that. Anyway, how is everybody? I hope everybody's doing well. Last week was a crazy week because of Summer House reunion part one. I think, I mean, I said this on my story

and I talked about it already, but just in short, a short little recap review is like, yes, it was fucking insane. Now I'm mad that like shit was leaked, right? Because like we like knew a lot of what was coming. And I think we knew like the craziest parts. Not I guess the part where Sierra calls her week and meke and not the part where,

Amanda says fuck off to Sierra, which was wild. But I talked about this Mia saying, you're one of West Side bitches. Like, it's crazy to me. Like, I feel like that's such a spot on thing. And, like, there is no world in which they're, like, going to end up together. Like, Kyle and Amanda staying together was, I believe that, over Wes and Amanda seriously dating. Like, he's not a serious fucking guy. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, he's just not. He's not there in his life. He's like, seems like one of those, like, you know, just bachelors forever. But I will say I did get a message I wanted to read to you guys. And I feel like people that know me know this about me. But somebody wrote to me, you always defend whoever is getting annihilated. You are so consistent with it and I admire it and think it's necessary for conversations. You have always, always, always defended everyone and give everyone a chance and stick up for the mental health of it all.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, and this person doesn't agree with me. She then said, and I am the polar opposite of you. I want to cut their heads off. So why I appreciated this is because I know there's a lot of conversation where people are saying like maybe people weren't as mad at Ariana and she was way fucking harsher for so I do always feel for the person getting attacked because I just from being a person on the internet, I can imagine what that feels. You know when you're like, I can't imagine like I can imagine what that feels like. You know what I mean? So I know that like it would put me over the edge.

Like I, you know, it would not be good for my mental health whatsoever. So, you know, the minute to me that nobody, like, murdered anybody and when it was Scandaval and when it's now, I've always been like, let's calm the fuck down. Like I had Sandoval on the podcast. I was telling people to, like, calm down, re Raquel. When Ariana told her Raquel, nothing short of like, go kill yourself. I did not approve of that at all. So I am treating both of these situations. And I mean, you guys, I'm like, team Blake lively.

I was like, team Amber Heard. Like I do have a soft spot for when people are getting annihilated. I don't like to jump that train. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should have jumped all the trains. Maybe I should have been more harsh on Sandoval. Maybe I should have watched the trial and turned on Amber Hurd and called her poop or whatever everyone was saying. But that is my instinct.

I'm just talking personally as a person to not jump to the defense because I'm not defending what they're doing. But just to show a little more compassion and not say like they deserve. everything they're going to get, like run them down on the street. And also I'm taking things like proportionately. Like, yes, it's an awful thing. Cheating is awful. Like all that shit is awful. But it happens in life and it happens on reality TV and off reality TV. And it is not a crime and you're not going to go to jail. You're just a shitty person and a shitty friend. And that relationship with the person you heard is not going to happen. And probably other people won't want to be in relationships with you. Friends are otherwise because you betrayed people. You lie.

you betrayed, you did something awful, you did something unimaginable to your best friend who was there for you. I mean, again, I don't know if they were best friends, but shocking things that came out of the reunion were that, to me, that Amanda wasn't like answering Sierra to hang out. She was just hanging out at West

and like literally dodging her invites to hang out. I loved hearing how like direct Sierra was with the text messages being like, where the fuck were you? Let me know if I'm to find anything out. Let me know if there are videos or photos to corroborate this. Like, she was like, she was like straight on, let me the fuck know. So back to like the anger or not anger of, you know, Ariana or Sierra, I don't think Sierra was too harsh.

I just think that sentence where she said she was weak and me and when Amanda started crying, I know why Amanda started crying. Because like having the person that used to say all these like great things to you is saying now the opposite probably made her feel like, okay, the only person that was ever saying these uplifting things to me actually thinks this of me. And that's why it hurt her. So I think like when Kyle said it was harsh and then Sarah was like, that's not my wife, which like two, two. that's fucking true is like that's like you know below the belt kind of thing but obviously what Amanda did Sierra is beyond below the belt it's at the fucking toes but I did think it would be like cool not that she's Sierra is not the coolest person alive like she doesn't need my input to be cool but it would just be like to be more like I don't give a fuck like Wes I don't give a fuck about

you like I don't year shit on the floor like you know and now that I'm thinking about it I wish she like was more harsher on West. Like, why was Amanda taking the brunt of the shit? You know what I mean? I just feel like, again, the woman is getting the load of it. And yes, it makes sense. She was Sarah's friend. Sierra has low expectations in West.

But Sierra was also, like, in love with West. And that's the bottom line of all of this. Like, she was so fucking in love with this guy. And that's what annoying me about him the most is, like, he was trying to downplay that relationship. Like, oh, we had one sleep over or two. Babe, you should have said, my whole relationship with Sierra was based on flirting.

physical closeness, like touchy feelingness. Like, don't try to act like it wasn't. Don't try to act like, and by the way, I have tea for you or I think I've said this before, but let's reiterate. What I know for sure is that when I had my event with threads in December and all of them came, I know that Amanda and Kyle hadn't announced yet, but something was definitely going on because it like arrived, I think separately and weren't sitting together and it was like a whole thing.

However, West and Sierra were super close that night. They went out after with Kyle. Two, Amanda went home. I was there. Like, they were super close. So if they hooked up that night, I wouldn't be surprised. This was in December. So what I'm saying is, I believe the timeline Re West and Amanda that they started

in end of February because end of December, I believe he was still hooking up with Sierra. He was seeing her. Now was Sierra allowing this behavior from this man who fucked her over three fucking times and, you know, said to her, he said in September that he's not going to go in that route and he doesn't want to hurt her again. And I mean, listen, we all have been there where we fell for the guy that we shouldn't be. And we let ourselves be a situation ship for way fucking too long. But that's what that was.

Which is why maybe I feel like Sierra couldn't point her anger towards West because it's like, I'm a situation ship. Like, what do you mind of me for? Like, I've always been a piece of shit. So she is mad at Amanda because Amanda is the one that knows, like, how in love with him she is. But I do think, like, if Amanda and Wes are fucking in love against all odds and they just couldn't resist it, then come in fucking strong. Okay. Come and saying we are in love. This happened. We love you guys so much. We hope you can forgive us one day at our wedding with our children. Like that's how I feel. I've said it before. If you're going to blow up your life, blow up your life for a fucking recent. But sometimes you don't. I mean, Olivia Wilde blew up her life with Jason Sedacus for Harry Styles. Are they sold together? No, Harry Styles is going to marry Zoe Kravitz. And Olivia Wilde moved on. And you know what? Maybe it's for the best. Maybe Olivia Wilde and Jason Sedacus weren't meant to be. You know, maybe she was supposed to have this stravaganza with Harry. like your life goes in a certain way and maybe it'll work out. Maybe this is what it took for Amanda to finally leave Kyle.

And like maybe, you know, this is what it took for Sierra to blow up and be the star that she deserves to be. I believe in that. I think everyone will live and that's why I think we need to take it less seriously. It's awful, but let's move the fuck on. Obviously, I'm still excited to see part two and three in the reunion and be jaw dropped when, I mean, the lack of remorse continues. I just don't know. you guys, when I said like act like it,

people were like, like, why would you want them to act like it? Let them be who they are. Of course, I want them to be who they are. But I'm like, if you're really numb and you actually don't give a shit, then, like, you know the world expects you to give a shit. So, like, please act like you give a shit. Like, how the fuck are you sitting there

and acting like you did nothing wrong? Like, it's so beyond to me. And I just know that the reason why Amanda came in, like, heated on Ceras because it's been three weeks since the rumors and the announcement. And she's being kind of like West, where West hated Sierra for people hating him. And I think Amanda and West probably both were kind of like being bitter about like Sierra's

success and people loving her and dying over her. And they are just taking it out on her. You know what I mean? That they're getting shit on and she's getting hyped up. So they came in angry at her, which is a wild fucking concept. Anyway, let's move on to today's pod. I don't usually have repeat guests unless they're. friends unless I love them so much and can't wait to catch up with them again. And that's my

girl today. It is Mandy Moore is here for the second time. We've been through so much me and Mandy Moore. If you're an OG, you know that I was once blocked by her. Yes, I was. We tried to get to the bottom of it in our first podcast. And now she's back for her second time on the pod. She has a new movie by Nate Bargazzi. So bad with last names. Bargazzi. I'm not saying good. After I discuss discovered him through this movie and now I'm obsessed with his stand-up. Like, I know I'm so late, but, like, I think he's so funny. So he has a new movie called Redwinter and Mandy Moore plays his wife in the movie. And she's back here to talk about that and everything else that she's up to in her life.

It's just good to sit down with like an old friend, you know, a new friend because those ones blocked by her. But join my catch up with my girl, Mandy Moore. Rolling. Rolling. She's back. Yeah. I'm back. Yeah.

Here we go. Yeah. What were you even here for last time? Do you remember? Dr. Death. Right. Yeah. 2023.

And it was, I wouldn't forget it because it was like Mandy Moore, back to work, six weeks postpartum. Yeah. With Ozzy. Yeah. Yeah. I went right back to work. And I was, couldn't believe it.

Because you were pregnant, newly pregnant. Yeah. I don't even know if you had announced it yet. Or maybe you had just announced it or something. Yeah. December 20, 23. Yeah. I was pregnant.

When's he? When's his. He was born June. So I was pregnant. Yeah. You were pregnant for sure. And you became pregnant five minutes later. Five minutes later.

I was like, wait, a man is pregnant? Let me go home. No, because I think you even said on my pod, like, I can't remember how you said it, but you said something like it may be complete. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. But I think in the back of my mind, I always knew being one of three that like I was very open to that possibility.

Yeah. And the universe was like, yep, we got you. Were you talking about it with Taylor? because I'm sure like maybe you've seen me. I'm like, no, no, I have a third. Do I have a third? Can't shut up about it. Like were you in that state of mind talking about it?

Yeah, because very candidly, I had done a round of IVF. I was like, okay, if we want to, I had the extreme privilege of being able to, you know, get pregnant and carry both of my boys. And I thought, you know, I'm getting older. And I would love to maybe have a tiny bit more space potentially between if we are going to have a third. So I did a round of IVF. and it was unsuccessful.

We didn't get any viable eggs, no embryos. So I was like, okay, well, this just settles that. Like, if this is something that's meant to be, it will happen naturally. Otherwise, I am so grateful and so happy with these two guys. And our family will be complete if that's the way it's supposed to unfold. And then, yeah, and then Lou just had to show up. And she showed up very, very surprisingly. We were not trying.

But obviously, we were open to it because of the IVF of it. It was like a third was. Can I ask you, you did IVF? Did you need to do it? I only was doing it as an insurance policy. I was like, okay, so perhaps we can get an embryo. Oh, like that embryo on ice. Like the freezing eggs, I mean.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Right, because when people say freezing eggs, that includes going through IVF, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we did one round of IVF of freezing eggs and it just didn't work. And so I was like, okay, I am totally satisfied. with, I try that and I'm really grateful again that I have my boys. And if this is meant to be, it will, it'll happen. So what is the difference between Lou and Ozzy? 23 months. Okay. Because you just said you wanted to give a little bit more. That's not a lot of time.

That's not a lot of time. Yeah, that's not. I had three kids in three and a half years. And look at you. Oh, you're sweet. Did it even take a toll? Yeah. Yeah. Emotionally. Yeah. I didn't feel like I'm still recovering. Yeah. I mean, sure, you know, it definitely does. I do feel lucky that I think energetic, like pregnancy was very easy for me. I didn't suffer from any sort of postpartum symptoms and stuff. So like I feel like I had a relatively easy journey, all things considered. Didn't you have to have unmedicated births?

Yeah. For Lou too? Except not for Lou. So for Lou, I won in steroids the last week to raise my numbers because I have something called thrombocydipedia, which is like where your blood doesn't clot. It's like a clotting. disorder that only really affects me in pregnancy or could potentially because like if you bleed out or something during delivery it's hard for your blood to clot. So that was I initially wanted to have like a

home birth and that was not going to be in the cards for me because of that. And that's how I found out I actually had this. This ITB. So yeah. So the first two boys were unmedicated. And then with Lou, I was like, well, because my numbers, my platelets had dropped so far down that the doctor was like, just in case anything happens and let's say you have to have like an emergency cesarian. Let's like use the steroids to get your numbers up and they went up above the threshold where I could get an epidural. So I had an epidural with her and it was a dream. Yeah. I am a big proponent of like any way that a woman gives birth is like is heroic on a level that men could never. Men could never. Men could never. Men could never. Men could never. Men could never.

But I will say the epidural was a delight. I was like, oh, yeah. Were you pushing that thing? You're like, Burb, burp, burp. Oh, no, I wasn't pushing it up, but I was like, oh, this is, like, she just, like, sort of flew out. And you have something to compare it to. I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, unless you blacked out and, like, buried it away. I remember both of those very distinctly, but yeah. And of course, the girl came out.

The girl came out. Easier, chiller, like, less difficult. Yes. And what is it like having boys and now a girl? Like, is it everything they say, like, easier, sleeps, all those things? I have to say the boys were relatively easy. As you have the experience with, the second is, for the most part, it's going to be easier because you're a better parent. You know what you're facing.

There aren't as many unknowns. I think you're a lot calmer. The first is more of a guinea pig. And so the second was easier. And so inherently, I think the third is going to be easier as well just because you're like, you're bringing that energy to this third experience. but it's hard to tell at this juncture. She was, she's been an incredible eater and sleeper, but the boys both were as well.

So it's like, I don't know. She, I will say she like definitely is, has her boundaries. Like, boy, the boys are pretty like affectionate, like aggressively affectionate with her sometimes. Like they just want to kiss her and she is. She'll be like, no, no, no, no, no. Like she knows how to claim her space. I love it. Which is very sweet, but I know you're on the fence about.

I know, I am. That's why I'm like, I'm so going to. I'm like, I'm a baby, I'm a baby pusher, though. So I'm going to, I'm going to push during the pod. Yeah. During the pod. Yeah. I mean, I'm just like, look, what's one more? Okay, so you were talking about travel because we were talking about like being able to, now you're traveling for press. So it's like really nice and fancy and whatever. And then with kids. Fancy is like any time you're not traveling with children, though, you know. I'm like, I can read a book. I can watch something. Like, yeah, it's amazing. And with, okay, so three kids like a hotel room. Yeah. What do you do? Uh, well, baby sleeps in the pack and play and the boys like share a bed with us. They're like in between us.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. It's, it is different. Yeah. I feel like the car. Like you order. The what?

The car was the most surprising situation. Because, okay, you could get a third row. Yeah. But then you're abroad. You need to order a car. I don't know. Car. I mean, it's just, I feel like, yes.

But that's for such a minimal amount of time. It's funny. I, again, I'm one of three. You know, we should talk. Claire Holt, I feel like you guys have the same. She's also, she's such a baby pusher. I know. I love Claire.

She's my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. We work together. I know Claire very well. And the fact that she has three kids now just like makes me. And she's like probably debating a fourth somewhere. If anyone's going to have a fourth of her.

Her and Hillary. It's like the two of them are just like there are certain women that are so made to inherently like embrace the chaos and not be flustered by it. Do you get, I can't picture you flustered. I'm not flustered, but I also know that like three. is my limit. Like, I'm really, if I were younger and I could space it out more, I would potentially be, my husband is like, are you actually insane?

He can't believe that you're even saying a potential if I was. Like in a different world, if things looked a little differently. I mean, he's snip, snip, snip. That's not a possibility for us anyway. Oh, he's snips, snip. Yeah. Oh, damn. First of all, I love the active sex life because, like, a baby by surprise, he has to

snip, snip, to not do it again. I love. A Snip and IUD. It's like I do, we are. Wait, why do you need an IUD also? But the IUD help with like the bleed. I had very heavy flow. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you can. It's just like TMI. So. You can do it. No.

I mean, these are all ladies. Yeah. But you can do an ID only after you're done having kids, right? No, no, no. You can do it in between. Oh, you can do it in between. Oh, you can do in between. I feel like each baby.

My doctor was like, do you want? I was like, no, I think I'm okay. Yeah. But yeah, this time, knowing that I was very grateful and very much done, I was like, I would love to control my flow a little bit. It was so heavy. Like, you know, post baby, it's not. My flow isn't crazy.

Oh, man. My flow isn't crazy. My period. I'm the girl that like everyone tells me like, you're always on your period, which I hate that it feels that way. But it might be because I talk about it. Like, every time I get my period, I announce it. There's the week before that I'm like, it's happening.

Yeah, yeah. It's coming. But yeah, I don't know. And you're ovulating. So like, do you get like, because I don't know, I can't picture you like the way I'm raging the week before my period. Like do you rage? Like, do you get upset?

Are you? I think in my own way. Yeah. I can tell that like it's coming because I'm like, oof, I just feel like a little more like ticked off about things like things that wouldn't normally get under my skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Where you're like, why is this pissing me off so much?

I saw somewhere which I hadn't heard this before that was it giving birth to Lou that the doctor was on his phone? No, that was Gus, the first doctor. Wait, but I never heard this story before. I don't know why. I guess I just told it on the podcast. I thought I had, but so I wanted to have a homebirth. So I was like pregnant during COVID and I had a midwife.

So I was like hoping to have a home birth. Like Hillary is a very good friend of mine. She's had like three home births and water births. I know. She's like another level of superhuman. And I was like, that sounds amazing. Like I think that is definitely for me. And so I was planning my whole pregnancy to have this.

this home birth. I had like my, like I had the kit all order. The pool was delivered and everything. And about a month before I was due to deliver, I got my blood tested and we had realized that my my platelet levels had been dropping throughout pregnancy. And then it kind of like, if it's under a certain threshold, you're not allowed to do a home birth. And you have to have a hospital hospital birth. So I had to at the last minute switch teams. And my midwife found a like at that time, the only midwife that delivers at Cedars. And she had to have a doctor backup. So in my mind, I was still like going in and having this like midwife helped me deliver my baby, which is what I really wanted. But of course, what else do you expect with like a like chauvinistic male doctor? Like he at the last minute like

kind of like took over and like sideline the midwife and was there for when I was like pushing and like in the middle of contractions. And he was one of those like doctors that like, like, probably shouldn't be practicing anymore. Truth be told, like, he was older and jaded and, you know, you're scared. And I'm also like an intense people pleaser. So in the middle of this, like, labor took a long, I labored at home for a long time. Then I finally went to the hospital and had been there like all night. And now it's finally like, I don't know, like 11 o'clock or something in the morning and I'm pushing. And I remember distinctly, like I had the ribozo, like the thing I was like pulling, had my foot on like the bar, like pulling myself up.

up to, like, with contractions and, like, pushing. And I looked and the guy was just, like, scrolling on CNN, like, on his phone while I'm pushing. And I was like, okay. Like, I just remember taking mental note of that, even in the midst of, like, this anguish, this unmedicated birth. And then I'm, like, in between contractions. And I hear him complaining to the midwife that there's a lobster truck, like, outside cedars. And this was, like, taking a long time. And he probably wasn't going to get a lobster roll for lunch.

And I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry you're not going to get. I felt bad and of course apologize to him. But I mean, he was like the kind of guy that like the baby was delivered and he like goes to my husband. Like you want to cut the cord? And Taylor like goes to cut the umbilical cord. He's like, you know what? And Taylor's like what thinking he's going to like have some like sage like bit of wisdom for him?

He's like you got to buy him a car when he's 16 or something. I was like, really, dude. Get out of here. Wait, I'm so sorry. This was like the opposite of what you wanted. Yeah. You wanted like a beautiful, healthy. You wanted somebody walking around with the sage and like Palosanto.

And then you got this fucking douche. And everybody's like, that's why I didn't have it. Like I saw the people in the comments like that's why I didn't. I was like, guys, it's, I wanted a home birth to, okay? I wanted something totally different. No, but you know what's interesting to me? It all unfolds the way it's supposed to and I got a healthy baby and that's all I care about. Yeah.

But what's interesting to me is like isn't like a midwife slash a doula, which I know they're not the same. Yeah. Isn't part of their like thing that they like. know how to advocate for you. And like they, was she just like a people please or two? I think she just felt a little sideline by this guy that he like walked in and was like, okay,

it's my show. It's my show. You're at the hospital. I'm the doctor. All of that to say, when I got pregnant with my second, I found a doctor knowing that like, you made sure.

I was going to be giving birth in the hospital again, moving forward. So I found the most incredible doctor. And literally I was so, I just saw her recently. And she was like, you sure, you sure you don't want to have another baby. I was like, Dr. Waldman, I would have another baby to hang out with you. Like, I love her so much anytime any friends in L.A. are like, I need a new doctor.

I'm like, Dr. Waldman is, she's the great. Oh, you don't gate keep. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. You have to spread the word for like the good people. Like, I'm like, this is. And I actually had two friends that delivered with her.

But I'm like, this is the kind of experience you are having a baby. She's the greatest. Yeah, that first one. And it's always like touch and go. Touch and go. And you learn. And you live and learn. And I'm like, I knew, I know what I want moving forward.

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I was thinking like, obviously just thinking about you coming and about all the iconic things that you've been in. You know, like your body of work is so crazy and just classic after classic. And I was thinking about because I said so with Diane Kean. First of all, if you haven't seen because I said so, and once isn't enough. And if you haven't seen it with your whole family or with your mom or sisters, right? For us, it's like such a special movie. And so like kind of our mom to like be meddling and be like, I'm not mad. You know what I mean?

Like, I'm not... Because she loves you so much. Yeah. So sweet. I was just talking to somebody. Like, I can't believe that she's gone. She just felt like this eternal, magical spirit that was always going to be there. Like, like, she didn't age or something.

I think back to how deeply maternal she was on the movie, too. Like, she really did feel like your mom for a couple months. Like, I got to have this second mom and this, like, lifetime of love that she poured into each of us. And she's just, yeah, she's just... Yeah, she was something else. And you got that experience. That's so special. Like you got to play her daughter.

I feel like there are a few of us in that camp. And I know Kim Paisley, who was her daughter and father of the bride. And we talked about that too. Like she's just, she is one of one, Diane. And like, yeah, I just like to have that career, to have that longevity and for everyone to speak so similarly about her as a human and as an artist. She just, like, that's what you ascend to. Like, I hope to ascend to in terms of having that kind of legacy,

follow you around. And also, like, the fashion was always so singular as well. So singular. She would show up to work at 6 in the morning and, like, hair and makeup. And literally, like, I think she was the character. Like, most of those clothes had to have been hurt. I was just thinking. It was, like, the big belt and the skirt and the boots and the gloves and the hat and the scar.

Right. That was her. It was all her. Like, and she would show up to work that way. Just like. I wonder. She was styled or if she... I'm sure she had a lot of influence

and how the character looked. And also, like, now we know the guy that played you're a dude, that's the suits guy. Yeah. Gabriel mocked. Yeah. Such a cutie.

So cute. And yeah. And later he went on to become Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. But we do know that he's iconic on that show. We do know. We know.

It's like me. That's my, like, trait. What sign are you? Aries. And Aries. I wonder for, I feel like, for Gemini, it's true that, like, I could talk about something so intensely and, like, not actually know what you're talking about.

You're a great bullshitter. I love it. I'm like, Withering Heights. Like, this and that. Have you seen it? No. No. But I bought it.

I believed it. I believe it. I believe it. I love it. Whatever, whatever they're doing. And you know, this is us. I did watch, by the way. That was my fucking show.

You know where I saw somewhere someone saying, like, someone wondering. I can't remember if it was in a comment, but like, if it ever annoyed you. that Jack got so much love. Like the character, not the actors, right? Sure, sure, sure. And like Rebecca? I feel like she had her flowers at the end. At the end.

Yeah, it's like the show sort of ended up being this love letter to Dan, our creator's mother. And he lost his mother, like, tragically, like, at a young age. And I think the show started out with people feeling like Jack is the superhero. He is, he will forever loom large because he passed away in such a tragic manner. And the kids were so young. And they carried that grief with them, obviously, for the rest of their lives. But, yeah, she was sort of the unsung hero in the end of the glue of the family that held it all together.

And moms tend to be that, you know. Get the right. You're right. Yeah. They tend to be the glue. Not get the glory. Yeah. Not get the glory.

But they are the glue. Not get the glory, but they are the glue. That's so true. And you're still like so together. Yeah. You're doing a pod. Yeah. That was us.

Yeah. That was us. I get to do with Chris and Sterling, like, once a month. So I get to see those guys, like, often. And I love them. I feel. And Sterling is killing it. Sterling is.

Like, right now. He's the best. There's truly no one better. No one more deserving. No one that works harder. Like, it's, he's just, he's also one of one. Do you guys try to talk about, like, if you could do something else together? I'm trying to get him.

So he's finishing paradise right now. I just finished the land, which is Dan's new show. Mm-hmm. Is that? the thing? The football thing. I know, but is that all the fancy outfits that you? Okay. I was wondering. This is a boss bitch. That's where you started getting like the end. Yeah, yeah. She's like, she's in the row. She's in and she's in the row. And she's like in fancy. I know you, that was giving you the

edge. That was giving me life. I'm like, yes, I want to be this woman. But I do not own an NFL team so I can't shop like this in my real life. Okay. But yeah, so we joke about like Sterling coming on to like be on the land when like maybe next season he can be a football coach or something like that. Like you to be back at work with him. Yes. I love him. He's so good too.

He's so good. And you just saw Chrissy. Yes, in Nashville. She came to the premiere of Redwinner. Oh, that's sweet. I know. It was like Nate whose film it is he lives in Nashville. He's from Nashville.

The movie set there. So he wanted to have the premiere there. And I was like, who do I know in Nashville? Oh, Chrissy. Yeah. So yeah, it was like a nice. nice little. I got to like sit next to her and laugh with her for an hour and a half. It was the best. I love her. I miss her. How much don't you miss sitting in makeup for 0%? Yeah. Yeah. So our hair and makeup do Paradise. So I, and we just overlapped. We finished our show on the

Paramount lot just as like Paradise was starting their third season. And so I got to see my friends, Michael and Zoe that I worked with for six years. And they were like, do you miss the hair? I was like, No. I can't imagine because like I don't like sitting for regular glam. No. I get impatient. So I can't imagine like that. It never bothered me. But I'm happy to be done with it now. I'm happy. How many hours was it in the chair? It was three and a half for like the present day when she was in her 70s. And then at the end of the show for like the last half of the last season, I had to do, play the character like in her 80s at the end of her life. And that took five. So that was a whole different ballgame. And did it feel claustrophobic?

It never felt claustrophobic, but for a lot of, like, the fifth season, I was pregnant with Gus. And then the last season, I was pregnant with Ozzy. Like, and nobody really knew. It was, like, towards the end of the show, I was, like, just barely pregnant when you're really, I got real nauseous. Like, all times with pregnancy. So having to, like, lay down and be in the prosthetic, like, aging makeup for hours at a time. I was like, ooh, this is not fun. That is rough.

That wasn't fun, yeah. But hashtag worth it. Worth it. No, wouldn't. Yeah. Absolutely. Just happy I don't have to do that anymore. I know.

I know. I was thinking about you because I was looking at your recent headlines. Yeah. And one of them was hair transformation. Hair transformation. It got a whole article about your blonde. That's why I saved the compliment for now. Newsday.

Because you change your hair a little bit. She used my hair a little bit. This was for the land. Oh, yeah. This was for work. And then I was like, well, Barb did it? Barb did it. Okay, Barb.

Shout out Barb. Barb does hair, everybody. Barb's the best. Barb does Hill. I know. I've lost Barb because I've introduced her to all my friends. Wait, so I was thinking, first of all, wait, we're sensing a common theme here. Yeah.

Mandy Moore does not gate keep. I don't gate keep. Some things you got to. Yeah. Because what if Barb is now busy with Hillary? Listen, I gate keep Barb now. Barb doesn't have time for any new clients. So you can follow her.

But Barb collars, Barb Cots, Barb Cots, Barb style. I know, but Barb, you're not going on tour with Hill, right? Wait, she's so is. She's not. She's not. She's not. She's just doing the big shows. You're not? Just the big shows. New York and LA.

But, yeah. But, okay, so you introduced Barb to Hillary and to more famous friends. All my girlfriends, not just, you know, in the public eye. Everybody needs more than their life. Normies can do glam, you guys. Normies need everybody needs glam. All the ladies. No, it's true.

It really is true. My very good friends, I would never get you're sharing. And then you're going to get fucked. And that's on you. Don't say it's on you. No, I'm just kidding. But yes, yes, the blonde hair. The hair transformation was barbed, but it was for work.

Do you love it? Are you going to keep it? Are you going to stay a blonde? I think for like a little bit, just because it took a minute to get here. It's like, umbrae vibes. Yeah, it's like a, yeah. But I like, it suits you a lot. I mean, you were a blonde.

Let us not forget everybody. If not for years. blonde is not really for me. I feel like this is like a brawned. Yeah. It's not like a bright blonde as I was back in the day. That doesn't, I don't think that suits me as well. Yeah.

But I think we'll probably, I'll go a little darker again. It just, I'll have to go back to this when we start shooting the show again, whenever that is. So speaking of Hill, you are really good friends with her and she's, you're like ready for me to ask the mom group question. I'm not going to ask the mom group. I wasn't even going to do it. We've talked about it. But I feel like you are just right. You're, I feel like you keep thinking to say it.

Here we go. I see you. You're bracing. And by the way, I wasn't going to say that now. I saw you just, um, chatted about it already. I was not prepared for that. I was like, oh. Oh, really?

I did see your eyes there. Because I just feel like slow news day. We've moved beyond that. It's the real non-story and Hills talked about it and stuff. So I, I wasn't expecting to be asked about it. I guess I should have been prepared. Can I just say like, um, like somebody's even thinking about you that you're not a nice person is the wildest fucking thing.

That's very sweet. Because you are the nicest person. That means a lie. Ever. And I meet people in the industry, like in the world, right? We're not just comparing you to industry people in the world. But so that is wild. That's like when you hear something that's like just way off kilter.

Like that doesn't even make sense. But I think what was upsetting about the whole thing is, and I've said this, is like, this idea that we have to continually like another. story that's just pitting women against each other, that women are always, we're not friends, we're frenemies and we're out to be competitive and petty and like all the things. I don't know about you, but like I have not felt that one iota since becoming a mom. If anything, like the friendships that I have made since becoming a parent are the most surprising of my adult life because I just thought like my other friends that had kids that were

older than me, like their kids are older. I thought like, oh, those are just going to be my friends that have moms. Like, I never really contemplated the playgroups that you're in, the classes that you're in. Like, those are the people that you are bonded with. Yeah. Like, your kids start, you start seeing all the time because your kids are playing with. And those are the snickly surprising friendships that I have made that I feel so close to all of these women.

They're, they're life-giving to me. That, like, this misnomer that, like, women can't be friends. And also, like, you need to find. your community. Like we all need and deserve especially as moms to find that. We need it. Like, I could not do that without my group of friends. Well, you know what's wild though. I think you have a quote that said somewhere, because I had it in our last interview. I was looking at our last interview. Oh, wow. And I was, we were talking about how you were a child pop star or a child making it like a baby. A baby pop star. A baby or no. Like, you know, you were famous when you were really young. And we kind of talked about you avoiding the like,

you know, what happens to a lot of young, famous people and how you didn't get crazy and didn't have crazy rumors. And you said, I just don't think I've ever been interesting enough to have crazy rumors written about me. Maybe one day. Maybe one day. You fucking manifested it. This wasn't crazy. This was just ridiculous. And also like, I think what was also upsetting is that friends, like Hillary and I are used to this. Did you become mom friends or were you friends before becoming mom. We were friends before. Well, not before she was a mom. She was like a 14 year old. Yeah, that's true. But certainly before I became a mom. Yes. And like our husbands are best friends. Matt and Taylor are best friends, which is funny because Matt is sneakily like my favorite follow on social media. By the way, mine too. He's hilarious. I know. It's like I'm gay keeping him too. I feel like I've been following him for years. I didn't tell anybody. And then everyone kind of discovered, not everyone discovered he had a big following, but I feel like more people are discovering him as the time goes out. I'm like, I mean, he like made his record with his wife and stuff. You guys missed the, uh, everyone who's starting to follow him now.

What did he do with Tiger Joe? Oh, yeah. He had a whole thing with him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys missed his drunken. This was the funniest thing on the internet. Go find it. He got a vasectomy.

Oh, yeah. And he face timed every love is blind member while he was doing. While he was, while he was high off the vasectomy drugs. I don't know how he is. Oh, I think he Instagram face timed or whatever. It was the funniest. At Matt Cole. on Instagram.

It was the funniest thing. It's funny because his personality is like he is like ridiculously funny and so witty and so smart. But he's also like the greatest dad, the sweetest guy. Like yeah, he and he and my husband are like best best friends. Are they really different? Like does your husband get like silly like that? My husband doesn't get silly like that. I mean, maybe he can.

His group chat. I'm like, who are you talking to, babe? He's in a group chat with Matt and his brother and Christmas Plats and the four of them are just all day. Maybe you know how many times I have said that men are way more like on the phone with the friends than women. We're kind of like kids are down. Turn the buzzer off.

It's like, and they smile at their phones. Like they have a mistress. I'm like we're watching. We're watching something together. They love their fucking group chats. But no, so we were friends before kids. All of that to circle back.

Hillary pulled me aside. We were like at a hotel. waiting for our cars in L.A. as you do. We're like waiting at the valet for our cars to be brought around. And she was like, can I just tell you? Like, first of all, hi,

we hadn't seen each other in years. And she was like, my boyfriend at the time loves your husband. And I was like, oh my God. Taylor would be so freaked out right now. And she was like,

he has brought, he's dragged me so many Daj shows. That's my husband's band. She's like, I've seen your husband perform so many times. We have to like go out to dinner. It would be, my boyfriend,

they were just dating at the time, would be so, freaked out and I was like, of course. So we go out to dinner with them. This is like 2018, 2019, a double date. It was so much fun. We're like, we have to hang out with these. We loved them. And then we started hanging out more and more. And then Hillary, when they got engaged, asked Taylor to sing at their wedding. And Taylor sang for their first dance and surprised Matt with that. And we got to go to their wedding, which was beautiful. And then like we both got pregnant during COVID and like,

May May is six weeks younger than Gus. So like we like we went through, she went through her third pregnancy. And I went through my first pregnancy like together. And so like I really was able to immediately lean on her. Yeah. Like you've done this twice before. You're on your third.

Like tell me all the things. Like she's the most locked in dialed in mom. And so she was the one that kind of like welcomed in all these other new moms during the pandemic. So like a baby class at her house. We like we started with like baby music class when our kids were like little blobs just laying on on the grass. And it was so much fun.

And so yes, like we have become, I have become a mom with her. And she's the best. She's the raddest. What is it like watching her fucking explode all over again now? I love it. I'm so excited for her. It's amazing. It's like no one deserves it more.

She's the raddest, the hardest worker, the best mom, the greatest friend. And seems like she doesn't know that like the world was like waiting for it. I know. And that's what makes you want to rue for her all the more. It's like, I'm so excited. The it? No. No, no, no, no. Like, I am happy to be a bystander and witness, like, my friend, take over the world. I never had a pop career like that. Right. And I never aspired to do that. Like, Hill's playing arenas. Like, I want to play a club. I want to play a theater. And I, like,

I love making singer-songwriter records with my husband and, like, I don't, like, I've never had that same drive. And I am so excited for her. Yeah. But that's not for me. No. We'll be right back after the break. The favorite show of the summer is coming back in an all new season. The new cast was just announced people are freaking out. Love Island, Love Island, Love Island, USA. They had to put out a literal statement for people to be nice because people get so crazy about the show.

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especially because I got these new two styles that are sick, okay? I got the classic crafted clocks, which are made with 100% soft-washed canvas, okay? So people couldn't even tell. out. Like, you wear jeans over them. They're like, oh, my God, what are those shoes? And I love that for a minute. They're like, what are they? And I'm like, it's Crocs. But I also love their classic buckle clog because it has the little holes for the gibbids and everything like that. But it gives it really, like, a nice touch of elegance because of that big buckle on the side. And I just, I love Crocs so much.

I just feel like they're like easy, slip on, slip off. I love when I'm like going to shoot something. And I wear them with jeans and like a white tank on the way there. And then, and I'll change into the heelsies or whatever I need to when I'm like on set. But I love my crocs. I love to travel on them. I love to walk around the upper side in them. I love to do school pickups in them. And I just know they're going to serve me well all summer.

And guess what? They are so cute and they're so comfortable and you can wear them all day long and forget your even wearing shoes. Like name a more comfortable shoe. Name them. Anyway, don't be sleeping on crocs. Okay. I am telling you this.

and you know, I'm besetting trends. Visit crox.com or a story near you to find your perfect pair of classic clogs. And we're back. We're going to go see her in Vegas in a couple days. Oh, in Vegas? Yeah. Fante in Vegas.

I know. Do you like Vegas? No. Yeah, I mean, neither. It's not my favorite place. So why there? Why'd you choose to see a show there out of any state? Is that like...

Because it's going to be a smaller show. It's like the last little bit of like warm up shows, I think, before her big summer tour. Oh, okay. And so it'll be fun to, like, go with all the girls and, like, have a little girls trip. Oh, that's fun. A little mom's night out, have some spa, have some good food. Yeah. I know.

You'll see. You'll get some. Oh, I'm sure. I love, no. Social media content. You've been social media. I feel like your trip to New York, you've been loving the corner store. You're like, you guys, there is a new spa.

That's because I'm in old. I'm in old. I'm in old. I'm like, have you heard of this thing called the corner store? They have martini there, guys. It was the greatest martini of my life. What was it? Like cookies and cream?

No, sour cream. Oh, sour cream. See, fatty. I'm like adding cookies to it. No, no. Sour cream martini? A sour cream and onion martini. And they give you a little sidecar of sour cream and marred.

What was your food order? The pizza rolls were great. The lobster roll was great. French fries. We were saying it's like it's a real girls dinner place. It's really fun. You know? He has a new spot like that group.

The 86. And Oresh, also really good. Ooh. Yeah. Next time we're here. I feel like we need something like that in L.A. Yeah. We don't have anything quite like that.

Right. But yeah, it's like I sound like a dork because I come here and I'm excited. I don't live here. So I'm like, tell me where I'm supposed to go get like, I want like quintessential, not hotspots. He need stuff necessarily, but like I want a good food. I want like a good cocktail. New York does have, I feel like better food than L. And also it's like today, yesterday was like 85.

Like we're having some, like a summer burst right now. Yeah. And you like everyone is like lizards like in no clothes just soaking it up. And I'm living for that. I love that for you guys. I don't. Well, New York isn't meant for this weather.

It's like gross enough and we don't need the heat with the bus fumes and the like. But that is summer. I know. You don't like summer. Not not. I want this weather, but like on a beach. I don't want it here. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I also wanted to ask you, I know the Mandy Moore, Mandy Moore thing has been done and died and done. But I saw her go on a podcast and say the choreographer Mandy Moore for those who don't know. And she said that it makes it easier for her to get dinner reservation sometimes. Really? Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah.

That's so sweet. Is it weird for you when you call somewhere and like you have such a distinct name? And they're like, what is this for? And you're like, Mandy Moore? I could never do that. I could not drop my own name. Wait, what do you say then? If someone is very, if someone is kind enough to help me get a reservation, procure one.

Yeah. And they have to use my name, but I couldn't. I always go by Amanda because that's my given name. Oh, right. I just use Amanda Moore. Amanda Moore? Yeah. Amanda Moore.

If I have to like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I have to like make a reservation hotel or something like that, yeah. Yeah, because you feel weird saying it. A little bit. You don't want them to get, like, too excited. Not that they would get excited, but I don't know. I'm just like that way. What else did you say?

Oh, that you guys were supposed to meet a few times. Multiple times. It didn't happen. We saw each other at the airport. Yeah, that's what she said. Yep. We're all great meet-cutes begin at the airport. Yeah, we saw each other on an airplane.

It was great. It was like, it finally happened. Yeah. Yes. I know. Isn't it funny that us as a society, like, we're like, the same name. Like, we don't know what to do. I know.

I know. We lose it. Well, also, I just feel horrible that I have gotten credit. Still to this day, by so many. Taylor Swift. Yeah. They're like, you choreographed

Erez tour? I'm like, guys, you really, look at me. I am the world's worst dancer. That is not my skill set whatsoever.

I'm like, that I choreographed or like, oh my God, you were on so you think you can dance. I'm like, no.

That was not me. It's insane. And like, I would get emails from like, agents and stuff that were like, congrats on the Emmy nom.

I'm like, not me. That's the other man anymore. That's so funny. Yeah, for like some sort of choreography. at me for something. Oh, my God, this is.

That's hilarious. Poor thing. Another thing that I think is like unique and I hope you know how unique it is as I saw that you said that you have like extremely close relationship with your mother-in-law. Yeah. And I was like, I'm sure that you hear horror stories from your friends. Like, sure. Not everybody's so fortunate.

Right. And it is kind of rare, which I hope I'm not going to be that kind of boy mom. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to be that kind of boy mom. You're not going to be that one. That doesn't like the way from the beginning no matter what. They're going to love you. They're going to be like, oh, your mom's so cool.

Of course. I'm going to make a fucking sure of it so I can get in the delivery room. Are you crazy? Of course. I'm getting fucking in there. Yeah. I'm not going to be pushed out. No, no, no.

Right? I love that. You have a girl. I don't love that. But yeah, I saw that and I was like, I know like, I hear stories from my friends. Me too. You know, so when I saw that you said that you have a really close relationship. I think it's also like my husband and his brother, they're both from L.A.

They're Angelinos, like native. and so they live near us. They used to live very close to us, but post-fire, not the case, but I think we, so we were very close to that. We were at their house, like, every day. And then after the fires, we all lived together for almost nine months.

Well, you lived with... My in-laws lived with us. We got a big rental house, and we all lived together. Their house was also affected. Yeah. Oh, wow. And Taylor's brother.

And Taylor's brother. Everybody. But they just had a baby, so they had to live on... They needed their own space, understandably, I was like, let's all, the rest of us can live together. So my in-laws lived with us for almost nine months.

And so like every morning I'd get to have coffee with my mother-in-law. And like we'd put the kids down and get to have a glass of wine together. We also got to like grieve and heal and like process the trauma of what we lived through together. And I got so used to having her there that then when we moved back and she moved on, I'm like, I don't like this. I love like. I also like the impromptu dates that we were able to go on. she's like, I got it.

I'm like, wait, where is, are they not living next to you anymore? They don't live next to us anymore. They're, they're like across town a little bit, but we're trying to get them to move back across.

Oh, she liked those date nights. She loved those date nights. I mean, she still is wonderful and we'll, like, we'll put the kids down and then she'll come and, like, watch the monitor and let Taylor and I go have a date night still,

but it was way more convenient for her when she would, could be in her pajamas and then, like, go up to her room. So I hope that, like, that can happen again. And you live together for, Nine months.

Nine months. So at what point did Hillary and Matthew take you in? Right after the fires. Oh, that was before you got a situation going. As we were evacuating, I think, yeah, there's this misnomer that we were, like, living with them. And we weren't. So as we were evacuating, they had, like, a house that they used for work, just like a regular,

like, house out in the valley. And so when we were evacuating Taylor called Matt, because they're besties and was like, we don't know where to go. He's like, go to this house. And so that's where we stayed for, like, a week. And then they very great. graciously let my brother-in-law and sister-in-law stay there after they had their baby. My sister-in-law was pregnant and was due six weeks after the fires, gave birth a month early, like two

weeks after the fire because of the stress. And so then they lived in that house for the first, like, two months of his life. Matt and Hill are the best. They're the greatest. I will love them forever. Let's talk about the new movie. It looks so fun. I haven't seen it yet because it's a theater movie.

So I didn't get a late. No prob. Yeah. But even the trailer, like, looks. So fun. And this is Nate's, I'm not going to say his last name, because I'm not going to plug it up. That's it. Yep. This is his first movie. And you're in it. How did it come about? I'm a huge fan of Nates. I loved all of his stand-up. I think I've seen every special on Netflix. And I heard through the grapefine that he was doing his first film and I read the script and was like,

I have to be a part of this. Like, it feels like a real throwback to the kinds of family movies that I loved growing up, that they just don't make anymore. that like co-viewing experience where like mom and dad are going to get something out of it and the kids. Yeah. Also this idea and I'm sure you think about this too. It's like the choices that you're making. I'm like, oh, one day like my kids will be able to see this and I'd love to do something that they would be excited about. Like to watch one of your movies. Yeah.

They could be excited about so many though, Mandy. I feel like this will be the first that they'll be able to watch and like understand. Yeah, because it's like a fun family movie. a lot of like humor falling. Maybe the princess diaries in a couple years. Tangled? Tangled. They have watched Tangled.

They were sort of mad. Because it's your voice. And I don't think they really understood that. I was like, Rapunzel kind of sounds familiar. Like, nah. Honestly, I joke that like if I were in cars, that would have like been a much bigger deal to them. But what? They don't care.

So this movie, you are an entrepreneur. Yeah. Go on Shark Tank. Go on Shark Tank. You, the, your house. husband, need, has to, like, keep the help. Take care of the kids. Yeah. So I get offered a deal on Shark Tank, which means that I have to, like, fly to South Korea for a couple of weeks while they do some, like, manufacturing, and he has to stay home with the kids. And, of course, I am a type A mom

who's acutely organized and, like, has everything set up for the girls. He doesn't know what he's doing. And, like, Mr. Mom-esque chaos ensues. But I'm sure Taylor isn't like that. No. Yeah. No, no, no. He could hold his down. Yeah. Like, he's home right now with the kids. And, like, my mother-in-law's helping and we have an incredible nanny. We have like, you know, a support team there for him. But also, like, he can do it. We're just at that phase where it's like we can, like, lose walking and talking. So it's like we can do all three at the same time. It was hard. There was a point there where it was like baby, like tiny toddler, other toddlers like where you're in survival motive. Like, they're going to kill themselves. Also, how do you go to the park with two at the same time?

Because like, even right now, like Lenny's good. It's like, swing. Dang! Let's say I'm alone. Yeah. Noah wants to go on the monkey bars or whatever. Yeah. Then it's like either I'm like... Dividing your attention is challenging. Yeah.

Especially because Lou is like, you know, you're still helping her up the stairs a little bit. Right. So you have to be with her. And Ozzy and Gus, Ozzy's three and Gus is five. Gus, I'm not so worried about. But yeah, it's just like your head is constantly on a swivel. If you're there by yourself. Right. It's tough.

But is it in this movie, like is... He can't do anything. He can't do. do anything. He like doesn't know how to do laundry. He doesn't. And like Taylor. Because the mom does it all. Mom does it all. So it's, you know, celebrates the invisible labor that moms don't get the, you know, they're the unsung heroes again. Don't get all the credit for necessarily. And dads are a little clueless, but he figures it out. He ends up doing stuff his own way and things go awry. But like, I, and that's, that's where the comedy lies. But I can trust Taylor. We do things very differently, though.

I don't know if your husband is this way. Like, I will get the lunch pretty much, like, minus the sandwich. I'll do that fresh in the morning. But everything else in the lunchbox is done and in the fridge. At night. At night. The night before. And I lay out everything for breakfast, like plates and cutlery and, like, the water bottles.

You lay it out when? Like the night before. Okay. That's crazy. Not breakfast, but like the pan to make the eggs, the pot for oatmeal, like, all that sort of stuff. And, like, their plates and their water bottles and, like, place. Lace maths, like everything's all ready to go because... It feels extreme.

You're saying it as if it's... I just want to like, I accept you. I love you, but I'm just saying like, I feel like that's like the extreme... Well, I'm making my life easier so that I can wake up in the morning because sometimes my kids wake up really early. You know what? I'm messy. I'm messy. I am.

But you're probably a really good cook, huh? I'm a non-cook. A non-cook? I'm a non-cook too. You're a non-cooked? Yeah, yeah, I can make eggs and oatmeal. Like, breakfast is my... Oh, that's why you're like...

I got to be prepared. You're like, apron, exonel meal. I love it. It's my life's work. Yeah. So I have that already because my kids wake up really early. Are your kids up early? Yeah.

I remember that with you too. You were going through like a 4 a.m. phase at some point. There was a while there. I remember that. Yeah. But we got through that. But I, so I like to get up and have like 30 minutes to have my coffee. Oh, you do that.

That is smart. What, you put an alarm? No, I usually wake up before them. You wake up. Yeah. So when is that? Or if I wake up at like 5.30 and no one's like kind of, you know, at least like I'm getting an indication that like worth 20 minutes away from them like totally waking up. That is smart.

I'll run downstairs. The coffee pot is like automatic so it's ready to go. My coffee is ready at 530. How do you take your coffee? I put some like, you know, some like lotions and potions in it. I've started putting like peptides. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I just read about those. You put protein powder in your coffee? Yeah, so at least I know, especially like before I go, that scoop. A full-ass scoop? And then if you whisk it, don't even taste it. Do you put milk? Yeah, cream.

I like half and half. Oh, me too. Oh, my God. Yeah, half and half. I want to make a video about half and half and how it's, and what? And how it's underrated. Because people don't know what they don't know. And like, half and half is like people, I think that people used to think half

and half is like, like fatty and like, you know. Who cares? That's the only way to draw. drink coffee. But it's perfect. It makes the perfect color. Yeah. And if you look at the ingredients is all I'm saying, it has less sugar, less fat, and less whatever else than regular milk. I'm just saying. And you need less of it. That's the only. So you do half and half and a bunch of shit in it. Yeah. Wait, and what peptide, BHZ 16? I don't know. I think that's when you inject. I don't know what it is. Oh, it's one you drink. You're still the drinking ones. I'm in a drinking one. Yeah, I haven't

elevated myself. What an aging? aging or skin one? It's, no, I think it's... I think it's more for gut. Okay, I started reading about these things. I used a parallel thing too. I have like three scoops of things in there. That's how it's disgusting.

No, if you whisk it, like truly, if you whisk it, not a stirring, because sometimes it gets gloomy. No, no, I like a whisk. I like a whisk. And then it makes your coffee like kind of frothy too. I love it. It makes me feel good.

Do you have one coffee a day? Yeah. Oh, that's it. Sometimes I'll have a second cup, but usually decaf. But if not, then that's when I do like a cappuccino or a cook. I'm in a big cortado phase right now. Oh, cortados are good.

I love a cortado. So why can't you do a regular second one? Like you get too wired? I usually don't do a second cup because I feel like I'm like I'm old. No, no, no, no. I'm just like I'm geriatric. Like if I have it past a certain hour, it'll keep me awake. You really won't fall asleep. Yeah.

Really? Huh. Yeah. Maybe it doesn't affect me. Maybe it is a placebo. I'm just like I'll be awake and just. just attribute that to having. You know what's crazy? One night I, like, was watching TV at home. And I had this coffee ice cream in my fridge. And I fucking ate the whole thing. And I felt so

fat, so disgusting. And then I had the most horrible night. I couldn't fall asleep. And I, like, oh my God, it made me feel so bad. I couldn't fall asleep all night. And they were like, it's because you ate coffee ice cream. And it has coffee in it. No. I really marvel at people that can do like a full caffeinated, like shot at dinner. Yeah. Like an after dinner shot. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy.

My heart is like beating out of my chest. Yeah. The breadwinner is out May 29. May 29. So fun. How did you keep a straight face? Everyone's so funny in the movie, right? I had to go to like dark places.

Yeah. I don't want to talk about. Yeah, I had to like really, there were a couple times where I was like this, I'm not going to be the one that breaks. I'll break after the fact. Yeah. Someone else has to go first. But it was hard.

There's a lot of funny people. Colin Jost and Kate Burlant and Koum. male Nangiani, Will Forte, like, Nate surrounded himself with some really, really funny people. Oh, that's such a fun project. It was so much fun. So what else is coming up? We have the football show. Yeah, the land.

That has a name now. Yeah. Does that have like a date or a? I think it'll be early next year. Early next year. Yeah. And that's it. And I went from this to, went from the movie to that.

And then there was something you were supposed to do with like an IVF show for. There's two things that are in development that may happen in the next like, you know for the rest of the year, hopefully. Yeah, there's like an erotic thriller with a teacher. I know. I was like, yes, please, Peacock, pick it up. I want to do that show so bad. It's called Teach Me. Yeah, 824 is. I don't know what it is, but it's fucking chic. They do the chicest, coolest. Like I want to be 824. Yeah. Yeah. You want to do an 824 project. Yeah. That's what I want to do. Yep, yep, yep. We're putting it out there into the ether. I want to see. I want to see. I want to see. you in a fucking erotic thriller. Me too. I love it. A limited series. Come on. I manifest that shit.

Let's manifest it. Well, thank you for coming back. I love seeing you. I love seeing you. Special people to my heart come back. I am so honored, especially considering that like we had our whole debacle with the like blocking initially, remember? No, I want to forget. Okay. Let's forget. Let's forget. Let's forget it ever happened and we've always been best friends. Do you know that if you comment on my thing? Someone's like, aren't you blocked? And I'm like, that was years ago. Years ago. And we have no idea. And we have no idea. And we don't. Because I don't do that shit.

But I love you. And you know, I love your podcast. And I listen every week. And I'm just like so psyched that you wanted to have me back. I love you. Anytime. Love you too. Thank you.

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