Not Skinny But Not Fat - Morgan Stewart: Meant to Be Famous

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey guys, happy Tuesday. How is everybody doing?

I just did the Jeff Lewis radio show. I love live radio. It's so fun. First of all, like, it has that extra layer of like just a, invigorating because you're like, it's live. Like, there's nothing to do if I say someone dumb. So that's kind of nice. It gives you, like, a nice adrenaline rush.

And it's just nice because it's so timely, like, you're talking about, like, right now versus, like, even this intro I'm recording a few days before. Like, last week, I recorded the intro about Summerhouse stuff and how much shit happened after I recorded that. I recorded it when it was, like, rumors. And then by the time it came out, which was only three days, it was confirmed. there was a statement. I mean, like, what the hellie? Really. Anyway, but that does not mean I'm not going to talk about Summer House in today's intro

because I have to because it is all consuming. I already went through cycles of like it consumed me. Then I said, I'm done. Like, I need to like go back to living my life. And then, you know, every piece of information that comes out, you're in it again. I think for me, one of the most shocking things is just that it happened in general. Like, it's just how were we? I'm not saying it was.

growing in Summer House. Like, I don't know if I believe the rumors that, like, something was starting there. But I will say this. Oh, this is what I wanted to tell you, which is, you know, interesting and timely because I haven't shared this before. But, like, maybe I did. When I did the Threads event and all the Summer House people were there and, like, I met West.

So I was like, Wes can get it. Like, Bella Hadid vibes. Like, West can get it. Like, I even told him to his face. I was like, you come out, you're so much better in real life. Like, taller. And he was like, yeah, like everyone says that to me. But not only does he look better, IRL, he was also like warm, interested in you, ask me questions.

Like, when did you realize this is what you wanted to do? And just like so warm. And like when he laughs with you, he like touches you. And like, I like warm people. And that is just like when I'm trying to make sense of the scandal is that Amanda, and I saw comments about this. Like we know how insecure Amanda was. We know she said in the episode. I can't do better than Kyle.

Then, let's say, her and West have a really close friendship, which I would at least, I first thought that maybe her and Sierra were just like drifting apart because Amanda's too close to West, like, friends vibes and it's like over there. She says she's like a stoner. So maybe smoking weed all day, doing muck bangs, whatever. And then like, you know, he's listening. He's touching her when he's talking. He's super warm.

He's super flirty by nature, you know? And then this happens. So what I, that's just the content. I want to give about, like, I met West and I saw it firsthand, like, how he is charismatic, wins you over, warm, touchy, feely, interested, all the things. Of course. Of course. Like, I don't think it needs to be said that you're Team Sierra. Like, I love the people are saying it. Like, pop the fuck off. But, like, no one's team Amanda and West right now. Like, no one's like, no, we're, I did see somebody make a video that

they ship them. And I was like, are you? Okay. Like the fact of the matter is, they're probably not together right now. The video that Kyle did outside of his apartment, by the way, Kyle is sliving. You guys, like, Kyle is sliving. He's making lover boy videos. Lover Boy is posting like support our business. Like, by the way, everyone wants to cash in on this. It's the same as Scandava. All of a sudden, everyone's active on social media. Everyone's posting their reaction shots, which by the way, I saw somebody said this. These reaction shots also feel a bit tacky to me because like I know that if if my friends were involved in this kind of thing. Like, I would be just so, like, if I would talk about it, then I would talk about it. But I wouldn't, like, make a stupid eighth grade, you know, photo of, like, me making a face. Like, no, if I would talk about it, then I would talk about it and be like, this is fucked up, blah, blah, blah. But I just feel like, this is such a serious matter. And you guys are just, like, posting stills of you, like, making a face.

Like, I just am not into it. Like, I'm not into it. I also don't believe in you guys. know this about me, beating people when they're down. Like, they are down. Okay, they're down. They know they fucked up. They know the world is against them.

They know the world is with Sierra. Okay. I love how we don't say and Kyle. But like Kyle, you guys have to understand. Like, yes, could Kyle be hurt by this? Could Kyle feel like Wes is his friend? Amanda is his hex? She could do whatever she wants.

Is Kyle like hurt? Probably in some sense, somewhere. Maybe he's looking back thinking things. But I'm telling you guys, this is Kyle's redemption. and you guys, I, by the way, again, met Kyle in the Threads event. He's so fun. He's so great. Wouldn't want him as my partner.

Would want him as a going out buddy friend. Like, he's so kind to me. He's so great. But I will say he is living this up right now. It's good for him. I don't think he wants to see Amanda suffer. But I think it's like, oh, my God, if you're watching the season without this happening, you're anti-Kyle, which he was having that moment.

And now you're not anti-Kyle. You forgot about it. You're buying lover boy, you guys. You know, there was a brand deal, Amanda. got kicked out of, not kicked out, they were supposed to post, E.D. Parker, I believe. They posted a thing with her, and it was for charity,

and they took it down and replaced the model, which I was fine with that, like, fine, not the good time to have Amanda as your face of the business, but I think I posted that I, it's just like beating people when they're down, like the snarky comment was kind of like new model. And it's like, you know,

you loved Amanda two seconds ago. And it's like when you're up, you're up, you guys have to remember that. When you're up, you're up, everyone wants you. Everyone wants a PCU. West got a, article written about him in interview magazine. Like, when you're up, you're up.

Everyone wants you. You say no to a bunch of shit. All of a sudden, you're down. Nobody wants to be associated with you. It's crazy. And the question is, you know, whether Amanda and Wes, it's the end of their road, whether they're going to be treated like Sandoval and Raquel. By the way, Sandoval went on to do a bunch of reality shows.

Raquel is somewhere in Arizona doing sound baths. I just know one thing for sure. And I posted this, like, Sierra is. going to be so good, you guys. Like, I'm sure this was the worst week of her life or even more time when she was, like, hearing the rumors. By the way, I don't know if I believe all the rumors about the PI and investigative things. However, we did see the blind about the video coming in that she saw a video, which I did

hear about, that she saw, like, a fan took a video through the window of us and Amanda, and she met up with the fan to confirm that it was true. She wanted, like, proof, which is so, like, movie. But what I'm saying is, like, she went up by, like, 200,000 followers already. she will, you know, I think, and I've said this from the beginning, be on the Ariana on steroids track, and she's going to look back. And also, I saw somebody say this, which is true. This is going to cement like, let's look at the bright side.

She's going to cement that that that's it. Like, there's no more looking back at West and maybe she'll realize, like, he was a fuck boy all along. By the way, he's a fuck boy, Amanda. Like, I saw somebody say, like, well, they have to get married now. Like, West and Amanda, like, if you're going to do something like this, and please stay together and be like, this is true love,

we can't help it, except it's not. And except already things are coming out that he was fucking around with so many other girls. And it's like, so all of this for what? But they probably thought

nobody would ever find this out. Nobody would ever know. But like, that's now how, not how it works when you're in the public eye. And of course, I think it goes without saying,

like, this was a fucked up thing to do. Sierra was an amazing friend to Amanda. Amanda could have gone for any other guy in the world, but like Sierra's dying love. Like, of course, it's mind-boggling,

fucked up, horrible friend. But you know I always will believe that, like, that doesn't mean we need to destroy a person's life. I saw somebody comment, like, this would be my 13th reason. That's telling somebody to go kill themselves. And that's not okay. And I don't think we should be doing that to anybody.

But, listen, I also said this at the very beginning. We're going to continue watching Summerhouse. I think the next episodes are going to be like Sierra and West starting their romance again, which is fucking crazy. like the timing. Then we're going to roll into the city. And I also said this at the beginning. And then a lot of people were saying it after me that like the city is irrelevant now because like we're so far behind. We are watching right now in April, which like April is practically the summer. Okay, May, June, July. We're watching last year right now. A year, you guys. Things change in no day. I also heard that the reunion is supposed to be filmed in two to three weeks and move that ish up. Anyway, enough on Summerhouse. I just think that everybody knows Summerhouse, but I guess not. Everybody does. If you don't, let's get into today's episode. I've wanted to podcast with this woman for so long. I knew from the moment I laid my Instagram eyes on her that we would vibe that she is a fun, funny girl, that she is just like one of a kind. She is real. She is rar.

And she's herself. And I fucking love her for it. I always agree with her fashion takes. And she has a new podcast coming out. Morgan Stewart. Morgan Stewart is here. and two may geminize, you guys. So get the fuck ready for it. Did you use a makeup artist today? No. You look great. I feel like I do my own makeup fine.

Same. I do too. For me, it's an eye thing. I just look more tired in the eyes. If they don't do it. Yeah, like I can't let you lashes. My hair, I don't know how to do. So this is just kind of my hair.

Is it swooping? No, because I didn't have a person do it. Right. So, but I'm okay with it. You know, I'm also like, that's my vibe, luckily. It's kind of my vibe too. Morgan, no, it's not. Your vibe is very put together.

You're like that's right five. When you guys watch this podcast, we're good, we're started, we're set. Hi. Hi, babe. First of all, wait, can we? Go back. I cannot believe. You feel so far.

Oh, you've, oh, I was like, am I? No, no, I mean like physically. Physically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe this is the first time we're meeting. I know. You were shocked. Did you think we, did you actually think we met?

I, it just felt no, but I also felt like I've known you for 100 years. I know. And we've talked a lot. A lot. I feel like we started talking when I did eat. something. Right. You were doing nightly at the time. Can you remember? I don't remember anything. So did we did what did you do for me? I did uh the rundown like I filled in for Aaron on the 20 leave. Yes. Yes. So I was so excited about that was amazing. Yes. Yes. I was amazing. Yes. Yes. And you were doing

nightly pop and I think Bev, remember Bev? Of course. Oh my God. I know. What do you mean? I literally she texted me last week and was like, are you in town? I just told. I think Beth either told me or told you like you would like you would love each other. But like we never ended up meeting that time. But I think that's when we started communicating. Right. Okay. And then we found out we're both May Gemini's.

May Gemini's. Which isn't it so funny. Like when you find out someone's a May Gemini and you know you love them before, you're like, of course. Of course. Because of course. Of course. And there are so many that I can't remember any of them right the second.

But it's like, sorry where the fucking cool is. I don't know what to do. The coolest and the best ever. And the fact that we have like the worst, the best ever. No, I'm not. Sorry. Sorry to everyone who's not one. But it's such a sparkle sign.

I know. No, it's very specific, though. You're a star. You're a star immediately, but you have to be May. If you're June. Who are June? Do you have an example? The men aren't good, though.

You have to admit that. I've never dated a Gemini man and I don't want to. But you have friends, May Gemini friends? One. Okay. Do you love her? Roxy from Rich Kids is the only May Gemini friend I have. Yeah, she's born May 21st, I'm the 22nd.

Are you good with Tauruses? I do like Taurus a lot. Me too. But in my Viener, Venus is in Taurus. Oh, I don't know what my Venus is. I'm not that deep into it. It's unbelievable that you're walking around with not knowing that information. Because what's your husband's sign? Taurus. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so your Venus is probably in Taurus.

So I love, like, I feel like he is like the balancing Taurus, you know? Yep. And then I have other people in my life who are like that. And I'm always like, okay, that makes sense because like I know my husband is like that and it works, you know? Like balances, you know? I'm all about it. But anyway, like, what else could you be? Imagine you were like, Aries. Like, it wouldn't make sense. I'm Aries Moon. Do you know your moon?

No! Oh. Sad? That makes sense. Or cancer? I think it's, you're probably sad, rising cancer moon. But I don't know. I'm like making up charts on the spot.

Is it you to be into astrology? Yeah, but by the way, I was just thinking like how we haven't even started and I'm already talking about astrology. Like, I have to find something else to talk about. Oh. Yeah, it's becoming like one of those things. Like, it's literally I have a rotation of things of like how my husband and I got back together astrology and like my dead family members.

Like that is all I'm talking about. I'm like, okay. I got to move on. You, I need to show you this clip of Penn Badgley on my pod, freaking out about astrology. He's so cute that boy. You love him? I love him. I love his TikToks. But you're being turned down by a lot of boys today. Am I? I said one boy was decently cute. This is how rumors get started. I was like, who are these cute boys in this studio? No. By the way, I love it. I feel like my husband tamed my, you know? Yeah. Like I, you know, let me live. Yeah, well, you're living. Let me say boys are cute. You should be saying that. I know. I should be saying it more. To everyone. By the way, I do about

celebs. Like, I literally post me, I'm like salivating over Jacob Allorty. Like, it's not normal, you know? Did you see the movie? I didn't. I didn't either. That's very me of gem of us. That's very may of us to be like, we love it. We didn't see it. To like talk about it obsessively. I have never seen it. I just can't get myself to a movie theater. Is that bad? I would love to go. But. But I can't make myself go. And we're never going to go, right? Like, it's going to come out and then we're going to watch it on TV. I am waiting for it to stream, which every actor hates. Even when they come on to promote something, I'm like, but when is it streaming?

And all they're trying to do is sell, like, movie tickets. I love that you ask them that. But is it going to come to streaming? Please let me know. Things are coming fast, by the way. It's like two months later. When we were kids, it took five years. Wait, do you want to move the mic a little bit?

No. I just like, I'm really. You want to, like, go in? I'm very into, like, the mic placement. Now I always have somebody, like, fidgeting with a mic in front of me. So I like to make sure I can, like, move out of it. And get used to the mic, baby, because you're starting up. a whole pod. I know.

And you feel, I feel like when you posted about the new pod, the Morgan Stewart Show, yes. You, I don't know if you posted it this way or I just like kind of read your undertones. You were like, fine. That's what happened. I'll fucking do it. No. Was that it?

You have a very infectious laugh. Has anyone ever told you that? Infectious, like, makes you want to giggle? Yes. Yeah. You have a very, it's like a very warm, fun laugh. I love people like that. I have one person in my life that has an infectious laugh. And now, too.

But it was very, it was very like, okay, I felt like, okay, I have no options. I need to get back to work. Everyone tune in. By the way, it's going to be an amazing show. It's meant to, I just didn't think it was going to be in that particular medium. And I wanted to be really honest about that. And I had been for so long on my social media. Like, I am never doing a podcast.

I'm never, so now I'm like, well, wait. Forget I said that because I need you to come along for this ride, actually. And like, support me and make sure we do well. Why were you, like, hating on this medium? Did you feel like everyone has one? I felt like everyone has one. I felt like it was really attainable. It's definitely much more difficult than I thought. But I also was like, I'm on TV. I'm on a TV girl. I don't need to do a podcast. But then there was no more TV. And then TV didn't come back again. So I was like, oh, well, like, I can't just like have lunch and have kids. Like, I have to do something. Were you, you mentioned a pilot? I shot a pilot. It went, really? Yeah. Those were my sound effects. I was pretty good, right?

No. I know. Amazing. Amazing. Wait, so you shot a pilot. That means like, was it a documentary about you? your life? No, no, no, no. It was like a, well, I don't really want to say... Not documentary, a reality TV? It was sort of, sort of. It was just a pilot of like what I wanted my show to be, which if that show comes to fruition, I'm going to leave that. You know, I'm so mysterious. But I did a whole day. Joe Jonas was a guest as a favor to me because he's a friend of mine or a friend of my husbands. And we pitched it and it went nowhere. Did you pitch it everywhere? Yeah, we did. Everywhere. It's a hard knock life. Oh, beyond. And it was all like, we love you, you're so funny.

But what? It's not right for right now or something. Yeah, but you know, they don't know. I mean, I love executives, but they're all the same. They're all like, it's not, it's good for, and then, you know, then they're like, wait, what about that show that we passed on five times? Would you have thought to do it for, like, YouTube? No.

Okay. No, just because I... It's funny. It's like, whenever I have, like, general meetings with, like, fucking, you know, there's always a general meeting. I want to call myself. If I could say no, but then I'm like, how dumb would I be to not, like, you have to take them?

You know what I mean? But you know it's so general. You know that it's like whatever. But I'm always like, TV. And my line that I say, and it's so true, right? TV, put me on, is that obviously we could be told nobody's watching. We could be told one person is watching TV or has a cable box. And we're like, we want to be there.

Like, for some reason, there's something about like when I asked you about the YouTube, like I would have the same thing. Like, no, I want to be on TV. Well, also just like the legit. I'm not going to do that myself. Like, I basically need to like a beat. No, you with the mic and you. I'm so close to probic with these mics.

Like it's 2026. I have a robot telling me everything, but we need this microphone. It's insane to me. Do you want to move it a little bit from your mouth? Well, it's just like coming inside of me all the time. I'm like, what is this mic? Okay. This is why I said no to having a podcast because I couldn't deal with the fucking mic.

But here we are. You're going to be able to deal. You're going to fucking kill it and be like, why didn't I start it sooner? I hope so. I'm really excited about it because it is the first project that I get to have that it is my unfiltered opinion about a lot of different things. It's not like you're on TV after we just talked about wanting to be on TV. You're on TV. I'm your producer. This is what you're going to talk about. Right. Like at least now this is a medium where people get to see all sides of me.

What are you going to, so you're going to interview people. I'm going to interview people. I'm going to interview myself. Yeah. I'm going to talk to myself a lot. Uh-huh. And I'm going to talk about all sorts of different things. It's not going to be so pop culture-centric. It might be about the fact that I can't find a blouse from 2008. Like I might do a whole episode about that. Yeah. You know, whatever the fuck I want to talk about, I'm going to talk about, which has never been the case for anything I've ever done. That's exciting. I know. I kind of just fell alive. Like, I got a little tingle. Yeah? Yeah. And finally also. And the fans want it, probably. I think that. Are there any left? I hope so. Babe, you are so loved. Like, do you have haters even? Is anyone like stop posting Chanel

flats? Not me. By the way. Oh my God. I was like, are people saying that? No. No one is. Is what I'm saying. I didn't. I haven't posted. You're going to come on my podcast, right? Yeah, I would love to. Okay. Great. Jessica, let's make sure we get that set up. What was the question? What were we talking about? No, that you have no haters. I feel like people in real life hate me.

Like, not people online. Like, I feel like, yeah, I have more falling outs with people I know. Because you know, like, some people that people like to hate, you could, like, post a selfie on a day where something happened in the world that you don't even know about. People could be like, you're so toned up. Yeah. So I was wondering if you ever get a selfie. that since you, you know, you could be unboxing a Louie a day that something happened. You know, I'm very conscious of the world around me. So, like, I don't ever fuck that.

Like, every time I, like, I'm about to unbox something, I'm, like, texting my husband being like, did something happen? Is everybody okay? Has a war been started? But is anybody ever, like, I can't afford a salad for lunch? Or that's just not the audience. Like, maybe you don't come on that FYP. I get that very randomly. I think also because I am just, I think, I come off, like, I'm just as real as you possibly can be. Like, I'm not trying to pretend any which way. Right. I think people feel, like, good about that. Yeah. So they don't really come, I mean, watch next week. Everyone's like, you fucking suck. I also am not doing things for other people. Yeah. Are you? No. No. You're not. I guess I'm not. You're very authentic.

I guess I'm not. You're posting stories. Your stories are so funny. They're so, like, in real time. You're very real. I'm not real in terms of, like, appearance. Like, I very... Would you Call yourself a content creator? That's like the hardest question anyone's ever asked me. Because I don't know. I get the ick from the words sometimes. But I get ick from all the words. I do too.

I'm not a content. What word do you like, well, like designer, a business woman? I'm a designer. I'm a creative director. I am a television, former television personality. Star. Star. I am a, what am I?

Oh, God. Well, you're all those things. That's really nice for you. I have a lot of things going on. Yeah. I used to, I'm trying to, like, own it more. Like, I feel like I used to be like, and it's posts on Instagram, you know,

and how fucking dumb, like, own your shit. Own your shit. I, like, I mean, like, no. You know, because I remember, like, meeting people that did something similar to me, like, back in the day, and I remember day two, they were like, we own a media business. And I'm like, oh, that's, like, explosive.

I wouldn't say that about me. And now I try to say more stuff like that. That comes with maturity, right? Right. Because we're also, wait, wait, wait. back to our birthdays. We're also the same age. We are the same. Are you 37 or 38? Yeah, 37. Okay. We're the same age. Also, I realize that a lot of people I like, babe, I don't know. Can someone get on it? I mean, what the fuck is happening? I did this with Chloe Kardashian two weeks ago. How do I not know?

That's where that she didn't know. That's what I said. Wait, I have CoinStar. What? You want my stuff? CoinStar? That's not, that's not an app. Oh, Lucy Hale did it for me. She's really into astrology. Oh, God. I'm so, okay, I have to like know about the economy. Like, I have to know about something else. I cannot just be talking. This is crazy. You don't even want this. Do you feel good about turning 38?

I do. I don't even think about it. Like, not, like, you just have no feeling. The only thing I think about is how low my eyelids have gotten. What are you thinking about a blef? Well, I don't know if it's a blef or a browiff or both. I don't know what the differences are. I think your eyelids look great.

No, they're very, they're getting, well, the thing is they've always looked like that. They've just gotten puffier lately. And I just don't want it. I want to look away. seen the videos of the people that have done the things and people don't like the way it looks on those people. But I'm going to go to a really good person. Chris Jenner's person? No, because that is, well, you know who that is.

Yeah, she said it. What is his name? Stephen Levine. Right. Well, I'm not doing the face. I'm going to do the lower face in a few years. But I'm going to, this. Do you know that your face is taught as fuck?

Is it? No, but I have a little. I'm like, I shouldn't even get into this because then I'm going to text you guys and be like cut that out, you know? So I don't think you should do anything. No, I need like a little. I need like a. Would you say? Would you tell the people? It's very in. Yeah, I probably, I'll probably lie.

You'll probably lie. Yeah. I might. Like, it depends how natural it looks. Uh-huh. Like, if you can get away with it, like, get away with it. No, I'll probably tell everyone. Because I need to tell everyone everything first before they say it or think it. Uh-huh. Are you the same way? I don't know. You're chiller than I am. You think? Yeah.

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but I'm also an anxious person. So I kind of like, you know? I'm anxious sitting in this chair right now. Right. You have anxiety. Do you feel my anxiety? No, but I remember from you talking about it. Yeah, that was like, it first started out as being like a trendy thing and then it became a real thing.

And I was like, oh, this is like really ruining my life. Yeah, that's when I say have anxiety. I have to say like not like the trendy influence or anxiety. Like that's why I hate when people say like I'm so anxious. I'm like, is your heart beating out of your chest? Are you sweating? Do you feel like you're going to die? No, you're not anxious.

You know, I don't want the fake anxious. Are you medicated? Yeah. I'm not medicated. And how do you feel medicated? I love it. I kiss it. What are you taking?

They'll loft. Everyone's on Zoloft. But babe, I'm 50 milligrams for 100 years already. Like, it might be placebo at this point. Yeah. I tried to stop before I had babies. Why would you do that? Because I heard that you could.

I know, my friend was like, I made a double the dose. Like, are you okay? Yeah, seriously. But because I had in my mind, which is not true, like, you shouldn't be on it. I was scared something would happen. Even though doctors were putting me being on it. But I wanted to try. And I don't know if it was like placebo or what, but it, I wasn't that well.

Right. So I was like, let me get back out. on my fucking shit. On my fucking shit. But yeah, I did, I went through a phase. When I got on it at the beginning, I was like, me? You know, on this? Like, it didn't make any sense to me.

And then now I'm like, hell yeah. You feel like somebody that you don't seem medicated to me at all. And there's some people that I meet where I'm like, ooh. So I have overcome my anxiety myself. I think a lot of my anxiety manifested from feeling physically off for a really long time. That's another thing I talk about a lot. Guys now I'm like always talking about that.

The health. The health stuff. Like, just post-babies, I was just so destroyed internally. What, like gut? Like, what kind of situation? I mean, just, like, my thyroid was totally upside down, like, hormonally. I was just, like, racing, like, all the time. Yeah.

And I had a lot of- Talking about anxiety gives me anxiety. I literally right now, I'm like, oh, I got to get up. No, no, I know. I got to get up. I don't think I can finish the interview. No, no, like, talking about anxiety, like, I don't know what your body does. We shouldn't even name it.

Like, literally, I feel it when we talk about it. No, I am too. I literally am not even kidding. And so, but I feel so much better. My therapist is like, I think it's time, I think it's time. What you want to like take a... Take something. And I've just been able to overcome it and manage it pretty well.

Like I have little episodes. Yeah. I am pretty good now. I mean, there was a period two years ago where I could not sit at dinner. I was like, am I okay? Is my throat closing? I have 7,000 photos of my tongue on my phone because I'm like, is my throat closing right now? So maybe let's make this deal.

Okay. If you have those kinds of things again, consider it. I'm going to. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I just don't want to be different. But babe, I swear. You're not different and I don't know you before. I swear you're not different. It doesn't affect you that way. It's not like Adderall where you could be all of a sudden. You don't know what I mean? How did we ever take Adderall? I would drop dead. How did we snort it? But so sheik. Fucking so chic. Right. Like 15. I mean, I grew up in New York. I mean, I grew up in L.A. We were snorting Adderall too. Everyone was snorting Adderall. I was like, don't, don't, don't include back.

Adderall and like there were always the kids who was like moms took like Valium or muscle relaxants. I wasn't doing any of that. We weren't like smoking pot at all in high school and I wasn't drinking in high school. What high school did you go to? I went to the Lise.

Is it like celebrity? Oh, Lisei, they have it here. By the way, they have it next to my house. Everyone's good looking there. Because everyone's French. Everyone's friend. And so you guys, there's this school. Oh, you went to it next to my house.

And then there's the public school. And you see the kids come out of the public school. And you're like hitting. see the kids come out of fucking Lise. And you're like, okay. You see, I need my water because of the anxiety time. Drink my love. No, we're fine.

We're fine. No, but do you know that whenever you post supplements, I'm like, screenshot. I fucking ordered some jeepos. I didn't even know what it was for. What was it? I don't know, like adrenal something or something. It is. I need to start taking that again, by the way.

Jessica? We need to keep that in the rotation because I keep. No, but really, like I'll just believe you. That really helped. And I didn't even know what it was for. No, it helps with anxiety. Because when your adrenals are so shot, like you're running on reserves, essentially, I had to pay a naturopath like $8,000 to be like, what's wrong? She's like, well, you're KCO2 or what are making up shit to me. And I was like, yeah, yeah. But I did a gut test. I mean, I really went deep into it and I feel so much better. I know I have to like eat food. Before I didn't eat that much food and now I'm like eating food. By the way, that could also be, you know, what causes major anxiety, blood sugar crashes. I was having. By the way, those two can be easily confused. I had a few blood sugar crashes that I never.

want to talk about again. So you really have to make sure you're eating? I'm eating like cold eggs every day because I'm just like shoveling down them. Because what food isn't important to you? No, no, no, no. I love food. My relationship with food changed once I started to not feel well. I started to resent it because I was like I'm like shoveling this food down.

I'm not hungry. I had no awareness of my body. Like it wasn't like, oh, I'm hungry. I'm tired. It was like I'm so anxious. If I don't eat right now, I'm going to drop dead. Yeah. I would have nuts in my car and granola bars.

Just to like make sure. I put on like 10 pounds last year because I literally was overeating because of panic. And everyone's like, I can't tell. And I was like, I can. Yeah. Well, they call it the invisible. It's like the invisible, you know, disease. Disease.

I don't want to say disease, but I guess disease. But I guess disease. Do you think with time, because I feel like you've always been this person that's like, you say what you think, you know, you're not afraid to like put it out there. Has age like children? you out in that way? Do you feel less of a need to be like, this is my opinion? Like, how is that changed? Yes. I think my family has changed. Like, my, me having a family has changed me. I don't feel the need to be relevant. I don't feel the need to always say what I think. And I just, I'm more

focused on me internally than like putting myself out there. Yeah. Until now. Until she's back. Until I like need a podcast. No, I just, I also take a beat more. I think about stuff more. Can you tell me so you went to Lise? I went to Lise. You grew up around French people or famous people? Both? Both.

What did you think you were going to be when you grew up? Oh, famous. Okay. Oh, no, it was absolutely. There was no other alternative. I was failing every class. I could not pass a class.

My emotional maturity happened so much later and so did like my brain formed later. My mom. Me too. I was like, I was so dumb. My mom was like, you're just underdeveloped. You were a late bloomer. I, when my kids, my kids, my friends were like, turning in their homework.

I was like, oh, no. That's crazy. Like, I, I'm on the phone. Like, I had no concept of, like, being able to perform. Like, I was just. But do you think because in the back of your mind, you're like, I won't need this? Because I'm going to be, what? No, no.

What did you think you were going to be, like, famous, but for what? No, just famous for being me. No, I was no. Like, I want to be an actor or like. No, absolutely not. I knew that I was really funny and I focused in on that because that was all I was good at. So I was failing every test, but I was. it was hilarious. Yeah, everyone wanted to hang. Yeah, I was kind of pretty, not really,

but like pretty enough. It's really only gotten better, thank God. I know. Isn't it fun that people think like, I remember somebody mean said, commented on my pot or something like, you could tell she peaked in high school. It's like, no, I didn't. No, no. No, the goal is to be really ugly in high school and then peak later, you idiot. Thank you. But no, I always knew that I was going to be, I always knew that I had an impact on people. She's so deep. But I did. And I just was like, there's no other option. And so then I went to college in New York for three semesters, and I got so fat. Base, right? Yeah. Oh, you gained the freshman 15? 30. It was crazy. It was insane. My parents

took me up from the airport. My mom did not say a word the entire car ride, and she was like, are you having an emotional crisis? Stop. No, I was like waddling. I had Chinese food every night and went to 10 June. Like I was so blackout. Yeah. But having fun. Having fun, but also kind of miserable and like didn't know what I was doing. And I was like in a North Face pepper to their knees and likeugs. And I was just hideous. And then I came home and I was like, I guess it's time to be famous now so that I started a blog. And then I got the show. What, the lubs and boobs?

The lubs and boobs. The boobs and boobs. Boves and lubs. That was the, that was when you were like, I'm taking it to the streets. That's when I was just like, I need to just do this. And what ear was that? 2010 or something? 2010. Right, 2010.

Wait, I graduated in 2010. So you didn't graduate? No, absolutely not. So you came home. Yeah, I went for three. So you quit. So you quit. What was the decision like when you quit?

I was like, this city's eating me alive. I need to go home. Yeah. And... Where is Pace? In the financial district. Okay. And you lived in like dorms?

Mm-hmm. The first year. And then I lived in an apartment in Murray Hill. Oh my God. By yourself? No, I had a roommate for it. And then I was like, okay, that was one semester. And then I was like, I got to go home.

What you didn't like living in the city? I did. I just wasn't, again, I was like behind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, if I would have moved later, like... What were you going for? I was going to just go to college because everyone. No, you didn't have a major?

Oh, communications. And I was like, okay, fine. Oh, my God. My guidance counselor told me, like, I remember, this is not a joke. You're good with people. You should do communication. Yeah, there was no other option. Yeah, you should do that.

To be honest, I didn't even know what it even meant. I just had to click something. And so that's what happened. And thank God it all kind of worked. Well, we'll see if it works out tomorrow. But tell me how then rich kids happened. So the blog is happening. People were reading it.

Rich kids didn't, reading it, was exploding. And then that kind of just like, I did that and was parting and was going out. And then my group of friends around 2014, Dorothy and I, Dorothy went out, I don't even, but basically, we went into some sort of casting something and they were like, this is the show with you two, nothing happened. And then we met another set of producers through other tapes that got floated around. And then they pitched it to E and that was it. And that was like the very short version, basically.

But we were on the air within six months. What was that like shooting it and being part of that? Like it was the most meant to be thing ever. Really? We were all friends. We were all hanging out. We were basically going out every weekend anyway. Watch that. Don't. I was, it was... Would you do a rewatch? Never. I barely watched it when it was on. Because it would be hard for you to

to watch yourself. I don't want to look at myself. I don't want to hear myself talk. In general. Unless it's my Instagram story and I look gorgeous, then I'll do that a thousand times. But other than that, no. Well, you didn't watch your like nightly pops. No. Wait, were you... No. Were you a villain on rich kids? No. No, I was liked. I mean, maybe you were... You were... Season three, I had an issue, but like whatever. You were fun. You were the funny one. I think I everyone was funny. I have to give credit. Yeah, yeah. Everyone was funny. Everyone was really funny. We were all funny. But I was like the loudest one maybe. Did you feel like, wait, reality TV, this could be my niche. No, I knew when we were getting the show. It was like, oh, I'm going to be a famous person and that's going to be my life. No, it's not even a question. No, I love that so much. This is the most doubt I've ever felt in my career at this moment. At the podcast. At the intersection of podcast and not famous person. Like that, I have. I,

at that intersection, this is the first time I've ever been like, okay, I have two kids, I have a husband, I have a really wonderful life. Do I need to, like, do all this extra shit? Like, put, say things that people might not like, like, I don't want to introduce any stress. Right. But I'm really excited and it's my destiny and I just have to see it through. Are you, because I feel like, I remember you posting, I love when you get like really real. And I know that's a gross. But like, you sometimes have those moments. Like, for instance, this, when you were like, wanted to do a pilot, but like it didn't get picked up. You know, I feel like. Is that really? Is that really? Is that really? Really real?

No, but this is why I mean it's real. I think that people see the successes. Here's my pod. Here's my clothing brand. Right. And then it's like, but here's also the truth. Like not everything works out. And even though I'm me and you guys think I'm a really big deal.

Right. It wasn't good enough for other people or whatever. And I feel like that's really like I appreciate that so much. And I remember you posted something which I don't know why it stayed with me. but you posted something, I don't know, it was like Paris Fashion Week, and you posted something. Oh, I don't remember.

What? That was like, I should fucking be there. Like, at a certain show. Give me a break. I should be at all of the, they should be paying me to go to these shows. But by the way, I think you said something like that. And I was like, right.

Yeah. Like, yes. It's so many crazy. And I agreed with it so much. And it stays with me still because. Oh, that makes me, see, I'm impactful with people. No one's laughed out loud. Are we not laughing today, guys? Or are we okay? I think they're being respectful. It's crazy. It's so quiet in here. Oh, he's smiling. Thank God. And we're hilarious. So I don't get it.

Like, I'm like crazy. Crickets? Like, am I like turning blue? What's happening? We're being so cute and funny. But I, I think it's stayed with me probably from like also like, you know, everyone reflects on themselves, you know? Yeah. But it's like, because the world sometimes isn't fair or isn't people don't make the right, right decisions about things. I think people. in fashion and people in like executive positions for TV, like all make the wrong decision most of the time for some reason because then there's something like me. Like if I was not me and I was in the position of somebody who worked at a brand, I would be like, we need to get this girl. Yeah, she has cheesy blonde hair extension sometimes and she like doesn't always look her best, but she sells the fuck out of everything and she's she has like an identity. Like I would be able to see through that. It's just weird that I've encountered so many people that are supposed to be good at their specific job and they are not. Yeah. Like turning down my talk.

show is ridiculous. Because now I'm going to have a talk show on another network in two years and you're going to be like, that was dumb. I just said the other day my friend was like, Amanda, that was so cute. I was like pitching the pod to somebody really big. Why do you have to pitch the pod to somebody really big? Like for them to come on. Oh, okay. You have to say I'm going to do that because I'm trying to pitch someone right now in the public. It was like, we have to pass. I'm like, no, it's not an option. Right, right. So I was pitching to somebody really big. And I literally go to my friend like, because sometimes I can understand. Sometimes I mean, it, it ranges like my response to it. But sometimes it could be like, make sense for you to come.

Like the way you were saying like, you know, like I understand Brad Pitt can't make it today. But like for this person, it made sense to come to me. But anyway, what I said to my friend who was like, you were adorable. I was like, you know, next time they'll be out of pods. They'll come to mine. 100%. You know?

100%. Next time they'll be like, I've done this. I've done that. I've done. So, and they'll, so basically long game. Basically long game it up is what I'm saying. I think about that. I'm all the time.

You know, we haven't had, or I have not had a career that's just, like, shot up, like, some of these girls now that just blow up and they explode and they're all in your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm going to be around forever. I love it. And other people are going to be around for three years and then we're, like, over them. So I think it's meant to, I'm meant to go in phases. I love that. I always remind people that I'm not, I mean, not that they need reminders because I've been around since fucking, like, 2016.

How long have you been, you've been doing this 10 years? 2016, yeah. It's 10 years. That's crazy. When Jackie Schimwell just came out on my podcast and she said you were so, wonderful. Oh, I love her. Yeah. We like did it in the early days when like podcasters did podcasters, you know? Yeah. But long game. Yeah, we're used to now overnight, overnight successes. Yeah. And I don't think that those last and I don't think that really exists. And I also don't

want to manufacture my success so much. Like, yeah, I'm not showing up to things just to do things. Like, I am a real person and if I feel good about something, I will do it. If I don't, I'm not going to do something to gain like notoriety in one way. I'm like, you should be obsessed with me. And if you're not, that, me going to that event isn't going to change it. So, so. Okay, so how do you feel about that? Like events, premieres, things like that. Awful. You say no to all of it.

Well, like, if the MET called, I'm going. Right. First of all, I was thinking about the MET for you. What were you thinking about? That, like, you should fucking go. Like, be on the carpet? Like, be on the carpet. Okay.

Would you go to interview? I would do that. I think if Vogue wanted me to interview people, I think that would be, I think Emma Chamberlain also made Gemini, my birthday, exactly, did an amazing job, but she's not just going as a guest because she's surpassed that. She's over it. She's fucking over it. And, yeah,

I mean, I think, like, there's key things. I don't want to be out every single night. I have to get up. I have to get up. I know. And they get, it's not even I have to get. They are up. So then I have to get up.

And my husband gets up first. They're your alarm clock. Oh, it's really crazy. Why? When do they wake up? 630. Okay, that's not bad. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Uh-huh. No, it's not bad. Wait, did you get you, you didn't get used to it? Like, you could right now wake up at 10? Because I don't think I, no. 745 would be ideal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745 is beautiful. Like I've been on vacation. Well, I've been alone for the last week and I'm like, I'm getting up at 6.45. Today I woke up at 5 o'clock. Is it hard for you to be away from the kids? Not really. Yeah. Oh, it is?

Like, it's getting harder. Not really before, but I was like, I like, I like, I used to make them. How sweet was that? Do you still do it? No, now I'm like, I'm gone. Okay. I'm fucking out of here.

You're five years old. That's a lot to do every time. How old were they? My assistant did those books. You think I made those books myself? You think I went to fucking Kinkos and like, That's crazy. You told her what to put?

Yeah, I gave her photos. And then she like did the, yeah, no, I told her what to do. But I'm not physically. I don't execute. I delegate. We'll be right back after the break. You guys, this is a true story. I've told this before.

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and I wish I knew and I'm jealous of you knowing. That means you don't know and you should have one more. I'm too. You knew the minute, you knew before Gray? I knew before Roe. It was going to be one or two. Oh, you knew before Roe. Because I knew I had to get back out there and get a podcast going. You know, I can't have three kids. Two kids is a lot of children. But you have, you can have help. You got More helps. Doesn't matter. I know. First of all, having help is a blessing and a curse.

You don't really want people in your space all the time. I want to raise my kids. I raise them as much as I possibly can. I'm with them in the mornings. I'm with them in the evenings. I'm making their dinner. I'm making their breakfast. Like, I am taking them to birthday parties.

Like, I am a very, I am their mother. And they know that. Your hands on. I'm very hands on. As much as I possibly can be. Obviously, this week, their dad has taken over. But I don't want to, like, add another one. First of all, the third is always, like, weird looking.

My guy to call, well, there's a laugh. Okay. My gynecologist told me my body won't come back a third time. I love that this is such an L.A. guy now. She said, I'm telling you right now, you're fantastic. It will not happen a third time. And I'm not fucking with that. Stop.

I also don't want more kids. No, but you knew. So don't give me all this shit. I want to go back to the OG. I knew before. You knew before. And I knew that I was going to have a girl and a boy. I didn't know who was going to be first, but I knew I wasn't going to have two sisters.

You knew? You knew? You knew? I knew. How'd you know? I'm not a mom of two girls. Am I? No.

Am I a mom of two girls? Wait, you knew it would happen. Are you a witch? I am not a witchy. I just, and you're not a mom of girls. Shut up, I want to be. You could be, but I think you're a boy mom, which is so special. I love having same sex, but I'm also not two boys.

I'm one of each. I'm very feminine, but I'm also very masculine. Wait, you have. A girl and a boy. A girl and a boy. No, no, I know, I know. I meant siblings. Yes, well, I had a sibling.

He died. Then I remember, that's why I got weird. I know. I love you. I know. Oh my God, I called myself an empath the other day, and everyone was making fun of me. We can't do that. You can't say empath.

Wait, I said that. Didn't I say that dinner? You're not allowed to say it. People were, I was saying it because I am. Yeah, me too. There's so many empath references. I think Craig on Southern Charm was just calling himself an empath. Kristen Doty called herself an empath.

Everyone was sending me these like memes and collages. And I'm like, what did I say? I said that it was a fucking empath. And then you said, well, then it got weird and it's so funny. We are really one in the same. It does get weird. I'm like, well, I had to have, but you know, it's one of those things. I don't know.

I'm also not good with death. I hate feelings so much. Are you? I hate them. I was wondering about you, are you a type A or B mom? Both. Yeah. I'm a type A and B person across the board.

Well, here's how I look at it, though, and why I have discovered I'm type B. First of all, I hate those labels. Like, I think they're so annoying. But I also realize I fall into the B because I was at the park with my kids this weekend and the park. I know. I know. Are you supposed to like it? Let me tell you. No. Lenny was like, and I was like, oh my fucking God. And I didn't have any snacks because that's my typey mom. I came without snacks. Right. Okay. So I was like telling my friend like, get a fuck, go get a snack. Round it up, bitch. Because I know she is the mom with the with the fucking snacks. So not only did I not have

snacks. She got in the snack. Then I'm like, I have to go. Lenny was literally like, bye, bye. She was saying bye to the park. I was like, we have to go. He's saying bye to the park. I was like, we have to go. He's saying by to the park. We're done. And then I realized that he needs water. And his bottle was empty. So I go to my friend who her kid might have had fucking the flu. I was like, can you pour some water from your kid's water into my kid's water bottle? I feel like everyone around me, I see the snacks. I see the toys. Or like at the park, you'll see the kids with like the car toy. Like rum, room, room. I'm type. I'm type A. I'm type B too. Yeah. I have water, but there's never a snack. And there's, I'm not bringing books in anything to dinner. I'm like, you just need to eat.

dinner. And I'm also not bringing toys to the park. You have the park facilities. Correct. That's why we're at a swing or do this at home. Why the fuck are we here? So that's when I realized that I'm like, I told my mom, she was with me at the park, if you guys are tracking. And I see all these kids like, with a ball, with a dinosaur. And Lenny's wanting all these things. And I'm like, this is his, you know, tough it out in life. Like, you won't have the things at the park because I am not bringing them. Well, by the way, sweetie, that's why the park is built. That's why it exists. So why are they bringing all the things?

How many snacks do you need? No, I agree. Like you're eating meals. No, I. You know? Like how many snacks? Like, are people just like over snacking? I think also it's how we grew up.

You think like my mom was snacking me up. She's like, you can have one cookie a day and we're hiding it for me. And they called me cookie monster and like probably caused my body issues. No, 100%. My mom was the same way. We didn't have like an Oreo in sight. And we like, when she did buy Coke, She, like, hit it in the oven because I would, like, slam eight down.

She literally, we only had it for holidays. Well, I had Coke literally when I was sick for my tummy. No. By the way, I'm sick right now. Sorry. Yeah, no, there was, like, no junk food around. Like, I basically, like, had nothing in the fridge but, like, food that you had to, like, prepare. And I was like, I was the bad pantry friend.

The bad pantry. I was. Oh, I posted about that once at every friend, every person had a friend with a good pantry. Oh, yeah. Yeah, not mine either. I had. Her name was Alice. And I just, she introduced me to mayonnaise.

I was like, what is mayonnaise? Slap it on that white bread. We had no white bread. We were going to the farmer's market and to Whole Foods before this was trendy. My mom is Swiss. She, like, grew up in, like, the Swiss fucking Alps. Like, she was, like, making on-dive salad with beats.

I'm like, my friends don't want fucking beats. They want the luncheables. Get me a luncheble. I did have lunchable unless I was at school. Are you like that at your house now, too? Yeah, you are. Yeah, I'm turning. I'm just so...

You're your mom. I mean, I do like little things, but they eat pretty healthy. I mean, I make them healthy meals. I mean, this is the foundation these kids need. Oh my God, do not go there. I know, but it's true. I mean, that's why I like am pretty balanced now. Yeah?

You're feeling balanced. Am I? I feel much better now. I literally talked about you. I broke through the anxiety at the beginning and now I feel good. Yeah. I wanted to know the progression. So after rich kids, how long to,

till E. And was E your dream? Because, like, E was my dream. Chelsea Handler was my dream. I mean, Chelsea lately, I was like, God, this is our God.

You know that Chelsea was on my show and I literally told her, like, I hope you know, again, speaking of, like, general meetings, that's still the pinnacle of what I describe as what I would want. Chelsea to me...

Is Chelsea fucking lately? Like Joan Rivers, Chelsea, I mean, I met Joan when I was at E. And I will never forget that moment until the day I die. And people message me being like, you're our Joan. And I'm like, the fact that even, somebody would even put me in the same category as somebody like that, like, blows my mind.

And then I'm like, impactful. So. And then you're like, tracking. Track it. Okay. So I did E, I did Rich Kids from 2014 to 2016. Immediately after Rich Kids, my agent was like, E wants to continue the relationship. What does that look like?

So 2017, I started at E. I did Necessary Realness, which was a digital show. I did weekly. And then I didn't have Nightly Pop, Daily Pop, or What the Fashion on Snapchat? Four shows. And so. Was there E-News in the mix-in-it? Yeah, there was E-News.

Okay. I was a guest on it like once. And then I did necessary realness for a year. And then the executive producer of Daily Pop was like, you can't do Daily Pop. You're not good enough for Daily Pop. Cats had their left. They put me on a few episodes and they were like,

you have so much talent. You should do this fucking show. And I was like, you think? Yeah. Then that turned into Nightly Pop, which they were looking at outside comedians. And I was like, let me tell you who's going to host Nightly Pop. Me.

Me. Really? They were like, I don't know. I said, well, I do. And that's what the fuck is going to happen. I love it. And I had to really work for that. I had to work for that hard.

So then I got that and then what the fashion. And then, yeah, I did all of these shows for five years. I was shocked when they, I was shocked when they canceled it. I was too, but I was so tired. My dad was battling cancer at that point. I had had kids back to back. I was like basically on air like this shaking because my hormones were so fucked up. And I was really excited to just like go and not wake up at five o'clock in the morning

and be with these kids. and just chill, I think two years later, I was like, there's no call time? Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Where are we? And so that's why I'm back out there now. That's why I'm happy. It's why I'm doing it.

Did you like talking about pop culture? Like, do you like that? Sometimes. I don't care that much about pop culture. Like, I'm into, like, certain stories. Yeah. But I mean, talking about it as much as I did, like, was a lot. Yeah.

You know? Well, that's what Chelsea, our goddess, was saying about Chelsea lately that she was over, you know, You're talking about Lindsay Lowen, you know. Do you think Chelsea would like me? 100%. Okay, I don't know. I think she might be like, who's that dumb, blonde, rich girl that's like not?

I was also a little intimidated by her, but I think she liked me. No, she would definitely like you. You're very likable. I would like get sweaty and weird. With, with, you get starstruck. I was going to ask you that too. I don't think I get starstruck,

but Chelsea Handler, I would be a little like. You were like at Beyonce's wedding or something. Was, okay, keep that out there because I wasn't, but I think that's really good. Was I? When was I? When was I at Beyonce? I was like six years old.

No, you were some. Wait. Who? Is that the episode? That is the episode title. What I mean is you are at a lot of places with huge, huge people. So that's why I'm asking. I've just never met Chelsea. No, I don't get star struck.

Would you get star struck by like Jacob Allorty? I would be like, hi, how are you? And like, move on. I wouldn't even go into that. No? I couldn't even. No, it would not be good. No, I just, I would just keep.

moving. Yeah. You can't get stuck in that because then I'm like... I would get stuck in it because he really touches the people. I know he touched. I know he talks to. So I would stay. I would stay too. Until I got a hair. I would like get hair in my face and then I would have him be like, you have a hair and I'd be like, oh, I do. And then he would move it for you. I feel like he's a type of guy to like pull something out of your teeth. I swear to God. Okay. I yeah. No, no, it's too cute. Wait, and we didn't watch. How cute if we went to see Wuthering Heights together? Why don't we? I'm here till Thursday. Is it streaming or right? No one's giving us any. No. Like, By the way, can I tell you something?

Anything. Between us, I'm not saying bye to anyone. I'm not even looking at these people anymore. Can I just tell you that huge celebs and tell me if you feel this too are like always super nice to people in the room? Because they don't need to prove anything. Like Jennifer Anderson's the nicest person. I've never met her. I just know that.

She is. Did you see what happened to me with her? No. Oh my God. See, oh God. Okay. No. Don't be competitive with me about pod.

I'm stressed out now. What is that? Are we? Are we going to be competition? Is that what's happening? No. No. No.

No. I'm like, oh. Well, you're like friends with so many people. Like, just get the friends. Who are my friends with? Aside from Joe Jonas. I guess I could get a Nick Jonas in there. You could get a Nick. I could get a Nick.

I could get like... Wait, how did the friendship with Joe Jonas start? Inherited. He's my husband's best friend. But you're now a friend too. Yeah, I'm like a friend. But like if, you know... You had to choose.

Like if he had to choose, I'm out. Wait, tell me about husband. Your husband? He's the best. And his style is you or him. It's. him. It's all him. That makes me so, that, like, weirdly turns me on that you ask that. Wait, don't people think that, though? No, I think it's weird. He, I think when we first started

dating, it was, I, like, mate, I was like, oh, we're going to pit, we're going to, we're going to redirect. And then he has taken it to a, like, he gets up every morning to go to work and he's, like, such a cutie patootie and these little, like, like, pressed pants. He's a little, like, I wouldn't say hipstery. No, it's not. It's, it's, it's like, it's like, I want to say, like, I was going to say, like, rich, like, white boy, like, but, like, has a job. Like, I'm kind of thinking it's cooler. He's just like... No, he does, like, a van, a corduroy.

He does, like, a cute crock. By the way, I was super nervous getting dressed for you today. Well, everyone has said that to me this week. This girl that I spoke to on Zoom was like, I was so stressed about what to wear. I'm like, why? And I was thinking in my head and I should have said, I love your baseball tea and I'm making them for Wrangley, not even a plug. Okay.

They're so cute. They'll plug away. No, I'm into baseball teas too. Yeah, they're coming back. No, but I do think... that it makes sense that we're all scared to get dressed with you. You know what it's funny? But do you judge?

People think I'm way more judgmental. Wait, am I going to lie to you right now? Was that a lie? People think I am more judgmental than I am. I'm observing. What is the lie? I just wasn't sure if that was truthful. Is it?

Why was I not famous this whole time? Thank God I'm back to work. No. No, I definitely, like, I am not going to leave and be like, God, I can't believe she wore those shoes. Oh, no, would I say that? I would say that. I don't care if you're not wearing a brand name.

I'm not like, oh, it's not fixed. Like, would you be grossed out if my shirt was from H&M? No. Not at all. No. Old Navy. See, I don't, I'm not like a brand. Well, that's crazy.

It's fucking crazy. No, I am not a brand snob. Do you have things that aren't brands? No, I don't, I do not buy brand things. Because I something popped up for me because you're coming. So my whole thing knew it. Someone was like, Morgan Sewer jeans from Zara. Yeah, I know everyone's like upset.

Like, because I do a high-rise ankle crop. I am not somebody that is buying brand names for identity or to prove something. I'm buying them for quality. And I want things to last. I want to buy investment pieces. It's not like, I'm not like I'm in Chanel like because I want you to think I'm rich or better than you. I'm in Chanel because I, A, think it's cute. And B, I think it's going to be in my closet for the rest of my life and then in my daughters.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Lucky fucking row. She better fucking act right because we don't know. Pissing me off right now. She barely saying hi to me on FaceTime. She's so mad I'm going to go. But are you really going to save everything?

Are you going to archive? Oh, no. We have like the same linen. Yeah, no, I have a storage unit. How big? I think we're going to need a bigger one soon. Really? Yeah.

Wow. So it's like Kim K. Storage unit? No, no. I'm like season one. She's season 15. Like, no. No.

What do you think of this whole Carolyn Beset thing that's going on? I think she's an icon, but I've been a favorite. of her since way before the resurgence in the show. Yeah. Like, she is impossibly chic. And everyone's, like, trying to be like, oh, it's just a white t-shirt. No, bitch, it's actually not. Yeah.

It's not. I'm all about it. I don't think everyone needs to go and dress like her. Everybody needs to be themselves. Yeah. But I give her all the credit and all the kudos. And I think they were kind of sad together. I didn't finish watching the show.

Did you, do you did? No, I'm not done yet. Okay. I don't know. I have one more episode. I was like, I don't know how it ends. No spoilers. But I don't know.

It kind of icked me out the internet movement. I had her on my for you page before. Same. And I was like, oh my God, they're so hot. They're so cute. Like, I saw all the things. Impossible hot. But, I don't know, it kind of icked me out what was popping up on my TikTok of like,

dress like Carolyn Beset. No, that's always. And you know? No, when anything becomes too popular and there's like a whole movement about it that you know is going to be short-lived, I'm like, I don't even waste time. I know. And like, she would, and I love the people are like, she would hate it. She would.

She would. She would. She didn't want any attention. I really do believe that, like, I don't even, like her life with him was difficult. Yeah. I think she was like, I have my own identity and now.

So it's tragic. So who are your fashion icons? Me. And Mary Kate and Ashley for forever. Like I... Have you met them? Of course. Like, in passing.

I met them at the store when I was buying something. They were doing a photo shoot. They were weirdly... I said this on another podcast, but when I was in the fourth grade, I was in computer class and I went to the nurse to go home because I was over it because, again, because it was going to be famous.

And they were sitting upstairs, getting a tour of the school, and I walked by them. and this was the height of them having their videos. And it was like meant to be. Like, what are the chances that randomly I'm like going upstairs to be excused from school early and Mary Kay and Ashley. Do you say something?

I literally looked at them and I couldn't breathe. This was like, you know. And so they're my icons. Jackie Kennedy is an icon of mine. Like that sort of old school like 60s reference I'm very big on. I feel like Lauren Santo Domingo is an icon of mine. Like she dresses very well. Yeah.

Who would you get more starstruck by sitting? next to Anna Wintor. Okay. Or M.K. and Ashley. That's also a really hard question. Probably Anna. Anna, huh? Yeah, because Mary Kay and Ashley, they're like... It could probably hang. We could hang.

We're from the same world. We're from the same town. Like, I'm a fan girl. I don't want to be friends. I want to be your fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to mix worlds. Like, I'm not cool enough to smoke 12 marble reds. I'm going to be too hungover, but like, I want to tell you how much I love you. Yeah, yeah. And Mary Kay and I had a whole child. Like, I had purple eyeshadow, and I've also told this story. At the store, I was buying an Emerald ring. And she was like, that's such a good ring. And I was like, oh, my God, like, I want to be you.

No, they're my, they're my queens forever. And you love the row, too. I do love the row. I've recently backed off of buying the row as much because I'm wearing so much wrangly. And you're, and you want to wear your own stuff. Like, I'm in Wrangley today. Is the pants too? Well, no, those are Botega, but that's a different conversation. Are you ever at home with sweatpants? I'm in a bathrobe and Zit cream on all the time. Yeah? Oh, I'm a best. You just don't post it. No, what?

I'm not trying to be relatable and post it. I'm, I don't ever want to be ugly. And I am sometimes and I'm so pissed about it. And you won't film it. Absolutely not. You won't feel like the lighting. Stop, no, no, no. No, sorry.

I don't like this joke. Sorry, sorry. No, it's not a joke. I feel like you have face dysmorphia. No, when I look bad, I look bad for real and I don't want to film that. I just always want to be a gorgeous girl. Do you ever think of like being a stylist? No, that requires so much brain power

And I don't want to like dress other people Did people ask you? No Never? No. I feel like if I, you know, if I had you around I'd be like, what should I wear? Like tell me what to wear this event.

Well, I like people ask for advice. You've had no water the whole podcast. So I'd be... Well, like how are you, how long have we been talking? No water? I don't know. Regina, how long? Regina, were you having fun?

Because we hadn't, we didn't hear. We didn't know, sweetie. Is it good? It is. Probably. And my hand movements. to it. And you don't use your hands to talk at all. I don't. What else are you judging of mine, my love? No, not judging. I'm just thinking about Gemini traits that you don't do. You're very chill.

I need some Zoloft. And now you're going to give me anxiety because you're going to make me think that I'm fucking like a zombie because of my Zolov. But also I kind of like that I'm going to make you feel something. I was just thinking yesterday like my kid was being super annoying and I was on the phone with my friend. And I was like, and he was like, no, oh, no, phone. And I was like, Okay, well, in five minutes, and I was like, are you hearing how chill I am? Like, I don't think people know that I can, when, I'm not saying I never fucking go wild. I could go wild and feel terrible, but kids can do this like 20 times a day. And you're fine.

And I could literally be like even killed. Like, he could be like air punching me. And I'm like, I still have five minutes on the TV. No, I, no, I, if I'm on the phone and I'm being distracted, I combust. I cannot function. That's when I need to snort the Adderall again because I'm like, I need to focus on this. I can't wait until this is like

a headline, like Morgan does drugs. But she got into kindergarten, so I don't give a shit. Wait, she's going into kindergarten. Yeah, she got in two places, bitch. Yeah, thank God. It was a rough. It was a whole thing. It was more of a whole thing than anything I've ever gone. More than like my dad dying.

Did you tell me a hot take you have right now. Nothing. Hulture vibes. Oh my God. This is when my mind goes blank. I know me too. specific questions are like, I quit. I get you. What is a hot?

I think all my takes are hot. So, okay, let me ask you this. Okay. Timothy Salomey ballet opera. Okay, what did he say? Oh, I should know. What did he say? What happened?

You really don't know. I like know in passing, but like, he literally out of no, for no reason said, I want to be in movies because movies are everything, not dying arts, like the met an opera. I think that was an uneducated thing to say. Yeah. And he's smarter than saying something like that. But I eat it up with him.

You eat it up with Timmy. I eat it up. I know you did. You loved his Oscars look. I love it. I usually align with you. I really do. And that I, because everyone is saying he looked like Kevin from the Backstreet Boys. And I agreed with that take. It's very like punk 90s actor. There's like something like Christian Slatery about it. And I am like, chop it up. But what do you think he was, but then I saw this post that was like, what happened to the Timmy from the Dune Press tours when he was like open back? Well, I think we've moved on from that because now he's now he's now he's now. he's dating someone that he's like a man and things are happening. And like then he was able to do that.

That doesn't fit now with KJ. That was a little like Harry Styles. I think he even had Harry Styles's stylists. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, yeah. That Harry Lambert. Yeah, I've recently just been introduced. I mean, he's fantastic.

He does a great job with Harry Styles. Do you have a stylist? No, absolutely not. I do everything myself. Never. No, never. Like events, anything. No, no.

So you have to buy. So do you buy the thing? I buy most things or like when I worked at E, I would like, you know, get things loan to me. Yeah. No, I'm pretty much buying everything. and like wear what I want. So fun that you don't need a stylist. I do not want to wear things I don't like, ever.

But you don't have to. Was that clear? What's something people assume about you that you, that is not true? Oh my God, everyone asks me this question. Oh my God, you stop saying that. I'm just making me feel like a shit interviewer today. You're fantastic and you barely look at those fucking cards, which I've been watching the whole time. Thank you.

I'm in it. You effortlessly go into stuff. You're very relaxed. You're fantastic. I just ask you something that everyone's asked you. No, this is like, because that's, I, I ask everyone that question too, but the way you go in and out of the questions. And I say that because it stresses me out because I'm like, I want to give you a good answer.

I don't think people think I'm as, I think people think I'm more judgmental than I am. Oh, you were saying that before. Yeah. I'm not judgmental. You literally can't say it. I just don't know if it's the truth or not. I literally can't with you. I don't think you're less than because you don't have something.

That is what I think people think. Like you would not be friends with someone if they don't own one Chanel thing. Not at all. Yeah, yeah. Or have a bad car? Not at all. I wouldn't get in it. Have you ever ordered a non-UrBlock?

That's insane. What if a Toyota Sienna pulls up? Then I'm moving on. What is that? No, I'm kidding. I would get into a Toyota Sienna. No, you can't say things. No.

You literally can't even... Are you a bad liar? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't get in it. You wouldn't get in a Toyota. Sienna. No, I would.

And Camry. They're going to fucking promo in my pod. They're going to be pissed. This is, yo, people like it rock in a real life. I just am, oh, you know what, I don't even Uber that much. Oh, yeah. No. In L.A. you don't really Uber, I guess.

Or I have a car. Right. I have a car here today. Okay. Serious pay for it. Quick question. How did you come up with Rangley? The name or the brand?

Well, the name I know it's your daughter's middle name. It's my middle name and Rose Middle name. Oh, it was your middle name too. It's my mom's made a name. Oh. I know it's so Swiss. Oh, it's so cute. Yeah.

Thank you. Okay. It was, I did active. wear for five years and then I was ready to do ready to wear and it just it naturally unfolded. That was also kind of as the shows were ending and I always wanted to have a line of things that like I felt like we're not accessible to people and I love it. Do we want to get in like department stores? Yeah. We're in the process of doing that. Some department stores have claimed bankruptcy so we have to like navigate. But yeah. Do you obviously you care about like which? Yes. judgmental about things like

that. It needs to make sense. We're not going into Walmart. We're not. And that's a very, we probably should have, right? I should have done that business. I'd be a lot fucking richer personally. But no, the stuff is unbelievable. And I spend all my time, like my weeks and days are like spent on Wrangley. This is your passion. This is my passion. I'm like most of the, the majority of my time working is on Rangley. The pod's only like an hour a week. No, I can't with you. As you walked in today, you're like, can I, can I do it? Yeah, literally. Can I handle it? Okay, what's worse? Not sleeping in a set or not having your nails done. Not having your nails done. Which, by the way, and I think I know this, You only do regular polish.

Only. Impactful because she's told me this probably four years ago. Yeah, I only do regular, but I have to say right now, I did do gel. But I have not done gel in literally years. This was the first time because they're only lasting five days and this trip was eight. And I was like, I can't have chipped nails. How are you doing regular nail polish, Morgan? It's crazy because I do my toes every week because that's where I'm really type A.

And the winter? Well, I guess L.A. Every week. Every week you sit in a short. for two hours. Uh-huh. It's an hour and a half. She's fast, right?

She does it at your house. Obviously. That's crazy. Where do you think I'm going? When was the last time you've been to a salon? Oh my God. These questions. No, never.

Like, I mean, five years ago? Yeah. Free COVID. Okay. Yeah, pre-COVID. Because it was because of the COVID that you stopped. I had to, I mean, I had to figure it out. No, so, okay.

But you could have, you could do your nails while you're doing your feet. I do. Okay, but I don't get the regular polish reasoning then. I just don't want to have to, like, chip it all. I just like, it's just so fucking annoying. It is fucking annoying. And I take breaks all the time because of that. Yeah, and it's not good for your nails. Yeah, but then a chip could really ruin your life. The chip, I had chip nails a few weeks ago because they chipped that morning for a podcast, and I was like, oh, this is the end of my career. So what did you do? I told the audience. It was a

live audience. So I was like, they're chipped. Let's just move on. Oh, so you were seen with chip nail polish. Yeah, let's not abort. Hardest thing you had to do on rich kids, filmed or had to do. Fight with Roxy. Yeah, yeah? That was a bad fight. If you had to go back to reality TV, would you do any like traitors? No, no, no, I'm not good at things like that.

Nothing? No. No. Nothing reality like that. No. I don't have the mind for that. I don't have the skill set for that. You don't think? No.

I'd be like, I'm a traitor. Like, I don't even, like, I've only seen a few episodes and I still don't get it. I just know Alan Cumming comes out. I'm like, this is this spice world? Like, what's happening? Do you want? Do you want? So you watch?

I've watched it like in passing so no I don't like but like Robert Roush I'm obsessed with and was even when he was on Love is blind Is it Love is blind?

No, Love Island So what are you watching right now? I'm watching Love Story Yeah I'm watching the pit Oh yeah With one eye open

I can't be dealing Me too The minute they start like opening up like things Are you in season two or one? Two Okay I didn't start two yet

And then we watch movies Yeah That kind of stuff Yeah we're really cute We love like time in bed Watching television Oh you watch it in bed Oh yeah

We're big bed watchers. We're like in bed at 8.30, like cuddling and watching TV. 8.30. Maybe 9. No, I love being in bed. When do the kids go to sleep? 7.30. Beautiful.

Fucking. It's the best thing. Like, that's the thing. They're going to get older and stay awake. Horrific. I know. It really is. It really is.

Yeah. Noah is trying to push his bedtime and I'm trying to train him not to. Okay. The pot is a huge deal. Wrangley is a huge deal. Yeah. What else? Is there other stuff we're manifesting?

Yeah. Yeah. My brow lift. No. Literally here. The browser here is I don't understand what's listening. It's an eyelid thing. Thank you for clarifying.

I just want to make sure. No, I think I'm manifesting tomorrow being a really good day. What's tomorrow, babe? My pod launches tomorrow. Oh. I don't know when this is coming out. When does this come out? Is this my camera?

I don't know. When does it? I figure it out later. Oh. Is it going to air? Okay. I'm just manifesting. Pod launch day.

Yes. I'm manifesting. That I'm manifesting a good transition for my daughter to go into kindergarten. I'm manifesting good hair color. I'm manifesting feeling rested. I love all that, my love. And I'm manifesting, not looking at my cue cards when I talk to people. Like me.

You glanced at one. I would be like... Babe, you literally did nightly pop. Oh, teleprompter? That was a prompter, which was the worst. Oh, you don't like teleprompters? I can't do that either. Oh, it's a bit.

It's taxing. Yeah. I'm so happy you finally came. This was fun. I know. It was really fun. Very easy. I love you.

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