Not Skinny But Not Fat - MY INTERVIEW WITH KIM KARDASHIAN

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

THE Kim Kardashian and I, Kamanda, discuss her first date with Pete, her divorce from Kanye, the reaction from the fanbases, her SNL hosting gig, the infamous "work" comment, what's happening to her brands, and more. Not bad for a girl with a small following!! This episode is brought to you by Shopify. Start selling on Shopify today: Go to Shopify.com/notskinny Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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feel like you're talking your shit with your best friends in your living room. How do I even introduce Kim Kardashian? I don't know. I don't know. So I'm not going to. Okay. Don't. I'm not going to start by saying, oh, M.F.

fucking G. I can't believe Kim Kardashian is on my podcast. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to be on your podcast. Like, if someone was like in 10 years, would Kim Khan, I wouldn't even put it as a goal because I wouldn't think it would happen.

Just so you know how major this is for me in this moment. I'm so excited. For real. Also that I'm wearing skim's thongs right now. You are. Which one? Like the really fits everyone, the really stretchy?

And, like, really see-through. Yes. That one? Yeah. And you remember when you said, when you were doing, like, a video about skims, you were saying that you used to never wear underwear until skims? Totally. And now you wear?

And now? Now I wear the fits everyone thong. The dipped front thong. That's my thing. So I... Or the little boy short, like at night. But that's pretty much all I wear underwear-wise. So I will tell people, I used to never wear a thong.

Like, be against it, not get it. Only wear scams thongs right now. Wow. Forever and always. Wow. Literally. I love that. I'll wear shapewear, like shorts, you know, or like the leggings. Uh-huh. But I've just never been an underwear girl until fits everyone. And now I wear it like every day. Well, lucky for whoever dates you. They've never been an underwear girl. I also want to just tell you about, I mean, I've told you how special this is for me, but how special the day that you started following me on Instagram was.

Really? What do you think? Oh my God. Of course. I died. And I thought, I mean, people laughed when I said this because I was. was like, how, like, town to earth of her that she's following me because people are so... Well, I used to follow you from my Finsta. And then I was like, oh, but I don't go to my Finsta that often. So I just wanted it on my regular feed. How am I continuing this interview that you just gave that piece of information? Wait, you have a Finsta right now? So I had a Finsta that was like a real Finsta.

And like, it was only girls following and I would just post like really wild shit. And then I was like, this is so lame. I don't want to be in the finsta game. But then I need a stalking finsta. And so my friend, Lala, she had a finsta. And I was like, I don't want to make one again, like just what's your password? So I just use her finsta. And I kicked her out of her fintzda.

And now I just use hers just to like stalk people. Like dudes? Like, no, like fan accounts or like sometimes like fashiony things or just. everyone you could possibly think of. Oh my God. So you were like doing me a favor like, I'll just, oh really? I'll look at DeMua from my Fistma. Yeah.

But I got like the real deal. Yeah, I started following you. So I just want to tell you that that for me was like insane. I couldn't fathom. And it was kind of like I was knowing that my mom is watching. But like in the best way and also in the way that like what I love about you guys and what everyone loves is like how you can laugh at your. yourself and how all day okay so i want to talk about s and l yes so fun to do so fun to do

and i know we're going to see a lot about it in the show right the whole process how you got to do it yeah it was like one of the first times i think s and l has allowed i mean i think definitely the first time a reality show has been behind the scenes of s and l so they were able to film everything and you'll see my whole journey behind the scenes so when it first came about, you were like, okay, I'll do it. And then people stress you out and were like, that's the craziest thing ever. And like you started spinning. It had been like talked about a few seasons ago. And I was just like, oh, no, I can never. I can never. Hats off to anyone that does it. And now after doing it, I see how crazy it is. And I see why people freak. But it wasn't ever really

super official. And so Lauren Michaels came in town and had lunch with me and my mom. And officially asked me to do it and just was so charming and explained why he really wanted me to. And once I commit to something, I commit. So I said yes, had no idea really what I was getting myself into. And then I started freaking out a little bit after. Because everyone knows that it's like such a big deal and that it's so, it's such an amazing thing to do. And you at the end of it, like I know that on the show, you want it at the end of this for people to be like, wait, She's funny. Yeah.

And I just, I didn't want to go and embarrass myself and get up there and not be funny. But I had never seen an episode, really, of S&L. I'd gone and watched parts, obviously, because, you know, Kanye performed so many times. So I'd been there in the audience. And then I've seen a full show in person once. But as far as watching this show, I didn't really know what the monologue entailed. And so I watched one episode and saw someone and was like, okay, I got it. this. I feel confident. As long as it's like me and a camera and we're like, I can block everything

out and I can talk into the camera and I'm good. So I knew that like once I got past the monologue, I wasn't worried about the monologue. I was worried about all the skits. All the acting stuff. Yeah. And were you more like excited or more nervous before? I was more nervous before. I'm more than excited. But then I got excited when everyone was saying what a big deal it was. Yeah. I was getting so many calls. And then I was like, I have to own this. And I came prepared with my monologue ready to go. Did that you have to memorize or was that something that was that like on a teleprompter? No, it was in a teleprompter. Okay. But you have to know like the punch like you. Yeah. And you practice it so many times that you, you know, but there's a whole team of writers and

staff and I got amazing help writing my monologue. I'll never take credit for it. Dave Chappelle introduced me to Michelle Wolf. And she is so funny. And she really wrote my monologue. And we're going over all the jokes and what feels right. And Amy Schumer helped. And, you know, so I had just so many amazing, funny friends that wanted to help and wanted to jump in. And so I came fully prepared with my own monologue. Does that not usually happen that way? No, I think you go and they write it with you. And you have like sessions of talking and what you want to say and what you want to do. I mean, all the comedians come, I think, with, obviously, they'll do their own stuff. Yeah. But I didn't know how it worked. So I was like, I want to be so prepared.

I want to just show up and have everything already. And how did you feel at the end, like, from the public's opinion at the We Care? Did you feel like you got that sample approval? I do. Yeah. I felt like, because I first started asking family members, like, are you okay if I say this? And this sister was like, no, I don't want you to say that. And why are you singling me out. And I was like, okay, you know what, guys, I'm just going to have to do my thing and you're going to have to be mad at me. You'll get over it. And I'm not going to ask anyone else. But after seeing the response, and you know, it's such a rush, but like my team is all in the back. And they're like, you killed it. Everyone's loving it. And they're this and they're that.

And so once the monologue's done, you can breathe. And we got such a good response from it, like truly such a good response that it made me feel so confident. It made me feel so good about myself. I was like on cloud nine and I really felt like oh shit I did this like that was so cool like just a goal that I never thought I wanted to accomplish and I did and it just made me feel so good. You killed it like I feel like that's just the line. I was there. Sorry. I remember you were there and we didn't get a chance to meet. I know and it was but I was I took it as like the fact that I'm even here getting to witness you do that and kill it. Thank you. I felt like a proud mom in the audience. Once I walked out, I wasn't nervous. I was like, as long as I just don't trip

in my heels, like, that was the only thing I was worried about. And like, I saw how they were rushing. It was even watching that part, being at S&L and seeing the stages kind of go, like, move, and like this change. And I couldn't get my earring on because you have to like take off a wig from a skit, put on an earring. So one of them, my hair was supposed to be back with two earrings. I couldn't get my earring on in time. So I just had to go and announce, you know, the musical guest. covered with no earring on. I could, I was wearing those pants boots. Yeah. As you, as you always do, know. That one time I was wearing pants boots. Yeah, I could not get them on and I ripped them. Like one of the lacy ones, I was freaking out that I wouldn't be able to get dressed in time.

You have, I think I had like a minute and 30 seconds in between looks. I saw them. That was such a fascinating part to see you on a train, right? There was a woman like, you were holding her shoulders and she was rushing you in and out. Would you do it again? I would do it again. I would. Yeah. I left feeling like, oh, I could do this again. Yeah. And it was so funny, all the parts with your family obviously, like, hit. They just hit. And it was so, so good. Yeah, they were such good sports. Thank God for them. Thank God for them. Yeah. And obviously, that's where everybody thinks you met, your now boyfriend Pete Davidson, on the carpet. That is where we met. Okay. That is. Is. Well, I knew, I mean, I knew him. And even I saw him at the Met, his story is that he was like, you know, had been asking around for my number a little bit. And everyone, like, wasn't really sure, like, you know, is she going through a door? Like, he just wanted to wait a little bit. But I saw him at the Met. And he knew I was hosting SNL, but it wasn't announced yet. And so I was like, he came up to me and we were talking about SNL. And I was like, they better hurry up and announce it because I will not.

you know, back out as soon as they, you know, announce it. But I'm so nervous. And so he just gave me good advice. And he's like, hey, take my number if you, if you need anything. And I had gloves on. And I couldn't get in my phone with the gloves. And I was like, oh, I have gloves. And I can't. And he was like, all right, cool. And he like walked away. But I was going to be like, oh, but take my, you know. And then, but it was like, no. And so we never connected or anything until not even that night we didn't he was like the one cast member that we were filming our show he was like the one cast member that wouldn't sign off to be films and he wasn't there until just the day of yeah so i didn't see him all week during rehearsals but that's what i'm

saying people think that you guys started this during rehearsals but that part isn't true no you met that night yeah we met that day he came and we did one dress rehearsal? We did our dress rehearsal and then the real thing. And so the whole time when I was rehearsing, it was like with a stand-in. And I was like, oh, my God. Did you have to kiss the stand-in? No, I didn't. I didn't. But was there an inkling of like, like, did you see the BDE that everyone talks about? I was like not even focused on that. And then when we kissed, I was just like, hmm. Really? But I was like. Like a stage kiss? Yeah, it was a stage kiss. But it was like, still like a little zing you know it wasn't anything like a super crazy feeling i was just like

hmm and then i was like wow i really haven't kissed anyone else in 10 years so maybe i'm just like being stupid and it's just nothing and it's just a stage kiss and then a few days later i was like hmm there is some bDE action and like where how am i gonna i just got to get myself out there Wait, what about the after party? Nothing happened there. He never came to the after party. He is too cool for school. I know. I was like the, he was the only person did not come.

Everyone came. The next guest host, Ramby Valley. He knows what he's doing. Everyone was there. Dying. Do you think it's like part of the thing or he just really is? No, I think he really was just like, I don't go out. I don't, I don't.

He doesn't really party. So he just wanted to. But were you, like, looking back, were you like, where is he at the party? No, not really. No. Okay. So like I thought about it later. And I was like, damn, he's the only person that didn't come.

I thought about it after the fact. Was the first date, the date that we saw at Not Scary Farm? No. No. We privately hung out first. I don't think our first date to even see if we liked each other would be so public. Holding hands on a ride. Yeah, but my security, like we turned off the cameras.

We made sure that, like, those pictures wouldn't be up. So it was pretty shady that whoever sold all those photos. Oh, at the, at the park? I don't know who. I'm not accusing anyone, but someone. It was probably someone that was just there, I'm assuming. Well, no, because they had every single one, every ride. So it had to be someone that had access to the cameras of every single ride.

Wow. And you never delved into that. No one will fess up. I freaking love that sound. And you know, here's it all the time, today's guest, Kim Carter. Because she's selling with Shopify, the one commerce platform to start, run, and grow your business. Shopify is a platform designed for anyone to sell anywhere. It gives entrepreneurs like myself the resources that once only big businesses had to bring my ideas to life with a great

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Plus, you have 24-7 support with Shopify, so you're never alone. Go to Shopify.com slash not skinny, all lowercase for a free 14-day trial and get full access to Shopify's entire suite of features. Start selling on Shopify today. Go to Shopify.com slash not skinny right now. Shopify.com slash not skinny. So we didn't see the first date, obviously. No, we just chill, hung out.

So how did that happen? At the BHA. You guys love the BHA. You're living there, loving it. We love the BHA. So how did that happen, though? Because you're saying no after party. There was nothing really going on at that point.

Yeah, I talk about it on my show. That is the one thing that I talk about. So I think I'll think I'll be that girl. And be like, you have to tune in. in. First of all, everybody tune in because I was at the premiere and oh my God. Oh my God. Like I was, first of all, I took a popcorn and I was like, I was lolling, like cringing at points. Like it was everything you could want in an episode of something. It was like a movie. Yeah. Even the title. What's the title of the first episode? I think it was released. So you can say it. Yeah. I don't know. It was like burn them all down. It was, yeah. It's burn them all down. Burn them to the ground. burn them to the ground or something boom that's what i said at the end yeah i honestly am so happy with how how the show turned out i really think people will like it people are gonna love it yeah do we know how many episodes are in the first season 10 10 i legit can't wait this is like less of a fun topic

because i love everything good going on right now i like almost don't want to talk about the connie divorce stuff because i know that it's like less of a fun topic but i just want to say because we did see everything really so publicly yeah Yeah. But you know what? We have so much love for each other. We really do. And like, we're always family. We're always going to have so much love. And we love our kids. And we both love the time we spent together. You know, I think that we'll always have that and always cherish that. And sometimes it just doesn't work out for whatever reasons. But no matter what, I always just think of like the positive times. And. think about if you were in a situation and you were hurting and that was your way of expressing yourself. Like, I don't judge. I just, you know, we're always going to be cool and family, even if it doesn't look that way. Like, it'll always end up that way. So everything will always be okay. And there's just, I have so much love and respect for him and who he's been in my life

and what he's brought to me and our amazing kids that, you know, he's given me and he's changed my life. So you always give so much credit to everyone. And that's such a beautiful, respectable, admirable thing about you. It was like, you'll still say about Paris Sultan. Oh, and she gave me a career. Like, I'll never be. But that's so big of you because so many people would be like, yeah, that was 20 years ago, whatever.

Like it's not, you know what I mean? But you still remember that and give her that, like, credit. And even with Connie, it's like you became a fashion icon in your own right. But you still, even when you accepted the. the fashion award. Because it's like, that's my truth. You know, I loved fashion, but I never would have gotten to where I got without him. And I've never would have gotten, I think, my taste level or my love for like architecture

and art. I wouldn't have learned it all unless it was from him. So I'll always give my props. Like, no matter what, it's just my, it's just the truth. Yeah. You know, and I'll never act like I. wasn't super influenced by what he taught me or what Paris taught me and even things, you know, from Paris that no one would know or be able to have learned unless you spent that kind of time

with her, whether it's like the grace she showed all of her fans. I don't care what time or day it was, how many drinks she had or not, you know, it was like she stopped, she paid attention. She, I just, I learned so much from everyone that I'm around. And, you know, I'll always be grateful. That's really amazing. And what I wonder is like, because I, as I said, we watch this is like, at the beginning when the divorce was announced, it seemed like you guys were doing so well. I mean, we know that he spent the week with you before SNL and, and you came to the

Donda. Like, it looked like it was like, oh, my God, you know, co-parenting goals. Like, did you, so did he accept the divorce at first, like, really well? and then it kind of shifted? I think we went off and on. You know, we went about eight months without even speaking to each other at the beginning of the divorce.

And then, you know, we started talking again and I went to the Dondra premiere. I mean, he would still see the kids and stuff. It's just, you know, him and I just took a minute of not talking. And I think it all, in relationships, it'll be like that. And I only hope for, I hope we, you know, are the co-parenting goals.

at the end of the day. And, you know, I look back and my mom and dad went through their hard time, and it took people a minute to readjust. And I've seen it all before. I think we just have a different kind of platform now. But, you know, it doesn't mean that maybe because he expressed himself in a certain way that he's not an amazing person,

an amazing friend. I do believe that we'll have that again. I'm always really hopeful. And, you know, he's an amazing dad. And I never really also judge the way someone wants to communicate, whether it's the way I would or not. I try to just, like, I know who he is inside. And I know that he, I know what he means to say. And I know what he means to express.

And that's the beauty of knowing someone for so many years. So it can be stressful and it can be a lot of things. But I think you just have to be positive when you have kids. And you just have to look at the positive as hard as it is. It doesn't mean that it's easy, especially behind closed doors. Yeah. But it means that I feel so empowered in the way that I react to things now and the way that I choose to communicate back.

And at the end of the day, what is it going to do if people are fighting back and forth? Sometimes, you know, I'll say something like out of anger and want to stand. And then I'm just like, why did I do that? So do you regret? Because you did, there was like one thing that like you were like, that's it. And you did comment. You were like, stop. You had the kids, you know, the same.

morning or or sometimes I'm in the mood where I'm just like okay I'm not going to let this be said this way yeah I mean the one thing that I just felt like was super frustrating was that like when the fan bases get involved because you know he has such a supportive and amazing strong fan base and they're amazing and just because people aren't together anymore it doesn't mean that now those people have to not like me and my fan base doesn't have to not like him It's just not like that. Like, there shouldn't be all this, like, external beef. Like, it's hard enough already for families to go through a divorce.

And then especially in the public eye, and then especially then these, like, fan bases get involved. And everyone's, it's like, my fan base is not nasty. It's like, let's just be happy for everyone, wherever that takes you and not involve. It just, it was so wild to me just to see people chime in. Dude, I got the fan base on me. Yeah. I got his fan base on me. Really?

Yeah. And it's like they're so cool. Like everyone's all good. And I'm like, and what sucks is everyone's going to see that at some point it's going to be all good again. Yeah. And so there's no need to get involved because there's so much love there that it's like that'll just never go away. Well, on the flip side, though, because in my perspective, I saw a lot of people, you know, really protecting you, you know, and really, quote unquote, siding with you even though I know that's not, you know, the goal here. Yeah, there's no sides. Right. never besides like I am a grown-up like I can handle this I will handle this I will handle it you know hopefully as privately as possible with him and like I said there will be no I think that's just the thing is it's like you want it to be private you want it but then I live my life on a reality show so it's like I also can't say like guys I want my privacy right now in this moment you know I can't pick in shoes and I understand that but within us and our private life hope that that's the goal but it's good we're going to be good and right now how would you describe right now is is good right now is it's good when things are calm we don't really

communicate but i think that's okay sometimes you know and i think that we will we always will that's just who i am i spent a decade of my life with this person and i just have so much love for him. So that'll never change. Yeah. But it doesn't mean that they're the right one for you. And that's okay too. Yeah. And he's been also dating. And some women that he's been dating kind of like look like either they were huge fans of yours, were you were an inspiration or even kind of dress like you or try to. Does that make you feel weird, the like lookalike vibe? No, I mean, I just want him to be happy and like she seems like the sweetest like I'm just whatever makes you happy I don't care what it is I just I think that it'll reflect in your life in your work everything you know

and how you are a parent so I just as long as he's happy I'm so I'm genuinely just want that truly okay so we all saw the variety interview which was amazing and then there was the work comment. How did you deal with that getting so big? You probably weren't expecting it. It really did teach me something. And no matter what, even if you're having an off day and the way that you communicate, you really can't when you're in my situation and in my position. I think some people really it resonated with them. And then some people, it really offended people. And if you know me, I just, you would know that I would never, ever try to single a certain group of women out. especially women, and especially, I'm just, I want everyone to win, like, truly.

I think there's always enough to go around. I love supporting all my friends and small businesses and any women that I meet. I just want them to win. So, you know, I think that it will definitely teach me to be more careful in a sense of, like, I don't care what kind of day or mood or what other question was coming from that that trip me out that got me to just maybe my tone was different. But it made me sad that it was perceived that way. Because I would never want to hurt anybody or intend for that to be offensive. I, the moment that I obviously, not just me, but so many people wanted to know about

was like when you guys were talking about your days and Courtney was talking about having to wake up early and work out, like you and Chloe had this like moment where you looked at each other. Do you remember that? Yeah. Can you tell me why? Did she not wake up early to work out or something? thing? I think she was just like, yeah. You know, and Chloe and I were like, okay. Okay. Oh, was that? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I love that. That was, that was definitely a moment. That was so funny. Yeah. So as we know, like so many people talk about your family all day, all day. And you're saying some of the family members are more sensitive. What is something that, like, to you is like a no? Like, you hear that, that really pisses you off and sets you off. I'm really protective over. My sisters, when people say my mom is like the puppet master or things like that, I'm like, she literally only makes the best deals for us and has no say in what we do or how we move. Like, she's never been like, okay, this sister do this and you do this.

And this drama's going on. So you deflect and you do that. Like none of those conversations have ever happened. I've personally defended Chris, like the fact that people think all the time that it's like she's controlling every single situation. If anything, I feel like it would be me where I'm the one calling the sister and be like, okay, some shit's going down over here. Okay, guys, do this, do this. Or, you know, I'm the one that's more like that. And then they're just like Kim shop. You're like, give me the credit. Yeah. I control everything. Totally. Yeah. I mean, what did Scott say in like one of the first season?

I don't know. That you gave them their careers. Oh. Do you ever hold that above them still? Like, I feel like I would. Never. Never. I mean, I've said really. petty things that have all been caught on camera where I was like, buy her shoes? Like, are you kidding me? I bought her a fucking career. Right. Like I've said really brady things like that. But no, I would never. Everyone, here's the thing. It's like you hope to like put people on or inspire people like sisters like work wise or business wise and things that we do. We all do. I'm inspired by them. It's all the same. And so if like one of us got an opportunity to help the others, then it's like everyone's their own person. You can live your life exactly how you want.

Everyone has such different lives and we're only there to support each other. I would never say like, hey, guys, I brought you on this journey at first and you owe me. Like, it's never like that. But do you feel like they, the way you think Kanye still, like thank you in a way? No, no, no. I would never, I would never be like that ever. And I think everyone's worked so hard to get to where they're at. Yeah. You know, we might have just, like, started together, but it's, it's not me. Right.

You know, it's there. They get up every day. And they have thought of their businesses themselves. And everyone's thought of where they want their life to go. So I've never thought that. So on the new show, you've said a lot of times that it's, like, more filming on your own and seeing your day and each, like, doing their own thing. But, like, thinking of that reminds me, like, going back that Courtney and Chloe were like this,

like inseparable little couple. Yeah. And you were kind of left out, left out. But you know what I always thought of you in that way is like that you're so confident secure within yourself that you didn't seem to have a complex about it? I never was like that growing up. Back to the other thing about if my sister's like how they feel. I do also feel though that they are very supportive of my brands and like they'll be in

skims ads and do whatever because they're so like that's their way of. they don't get paid for that? Really? I mean, like a little bit, but like not, not, you know, I think they'll do me favors in ways that they don't have to because they would get paid so much more if they were going somewhere else. And I think that they are always so accommodating and so kind. And they've never really said no on anything that I've like asked of them. And I think that's just like a mutual respect thing. And I'm always so grateful for them. Yeah. I love seeing you guys support each other posts together, like about each other's brands and everything like that because like so much of it is on social media. Yeah. And like Chloe seems to be like

your biggest supporter. Yeah. Chloe and I have gotten, I feel like Chloe and I are the new Courtney and Chloe. That's what I was getting at. Totally. Totally. But it's also like growing up, it was always me and Courtney. I couldn't do anything without her. I was like so quiet. I just copied everything she did. I was obsessed with her, followed her around, same friends. She was so mean to me. It was like the worst. She was so mean to me growing up. And then Chloe and Courtney became really close because I feel like I was always in relationships and I was just kind of doing my own thing. Then I got like the confidence to really do my own thing and they always left me out. So I was just, I was totally fine doing my thing. And now I definitely feel like Chloe and I are the new Courtney and Chloe. Do you think that

happened because what I saw happen was kind of Chloe having true. Then there was that moment where she said that she related more to her style of parenting. So it kind of looked like from the side that like since she became a mom, you guys kind of your bond really. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like our parenting style is a little bit more similar. Everyone has just like a different style. but also especially when Courtney got in her relationship with Travis, I feel like they're just in their own world. So it all happened at the same time. Yeah.

So Courtney's not jelly. Not at all. Really? Oh, not at all. Really? She is like so in her own world with Travis. There's like no room for anything. Oh, okay, good.

So no one's feeling left out. No. Okay, so you and Chloe are the closest. Wanted to know that even though we could kind of see that. And regarding Travis. So you're saying that all. all like not just me, but like so many people manifested this relationship. So many people manifested it because they were neighbors. So everyone would be like, hey, why don't you guys give it a try?

And they would, Courtney would just be like, oh, that's my neighbor. That's my friend. You know, we've known him for so long. Yeah. But like it just, I don't know, but it's kind of cool because then the kids grew up together and they saw each other and they walk to each other's houses. They still sleep at each other's houses. Like they pick a house every night. So are they not going to move in together, you think? No, I think they will. Or I know they've, you know, looked at other places. It's like I think they're just figuring it out day by day because right now it just works for them. So maybe they'll just have two houses.

I don't know. Do you think like that because you guys knew him for so many years that he was just like accepted right away into the fam? Or was there like a process of changing from friend to... No, I think we accepted him right away. Right away. Because we just know he's such a nice guy. Like he's such a good guy that we were like,

oh, quirt, just like go for this, do this, you know? Yeah. It just seemed right. And we're going to see a lot of how Scott is dealing with that on the show, right? Because a lot of fans were worried that we weren't going to see Scott on the show. Yeah, you definitely see it in the first few episodes. And then, you know, Scott's like super mature and he expresses how he feels. And, you know, they kind of move on from that.

Yeah. They're able to, like, move on. And then it's the Kraviss show. And then it's the Kravish show. Does it make you feel weird that they're like Super PDA all the time? No, I think it's so funny. Are you MP like that now? we're not that we have our own private like pda but i don't think we're that public pda you're not

going to do the tongue on on the carpet ever no we'll do it at home but it's so cute for them it's like whatever works for them yeah obviously okay so we all know that you're shifting your brands yes from the kk w yes any hints on what the new name is going to be i will say that it happened before everyone thinks like oh my god it's just to get the That's not it. What I really wanted to do was I felt so bad that the customer had to go from KKW beauty, then would go to KKW skin, then would go to KKW fragrance. That's shipping costs at three different websites.

Right. And I felt so bad and then skims, you know what I mean? So I wanted one beauty brand. Oh, and then you can save on shipping. So we'll find out soon what the new name of the umbrella brand is going to be where we can find everything. So it'll just be my beauty brand where you can, everything beauty. It's like starting my own brand.

We're so excited. Like a new brand. And that makes me so happy. It's just like I love the process of the whole thing of starting something new. Yeah. Kim, I could literally ask you so many more questions because you know I want to know everything, but I know you have to go. You can always ask them here. Thank you for being on honor of my life, honestly.

I'm going to be get branded. also thank you cam i love you so much i love you i love you thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of not skinny but not fat follow me on instagram at not skinny but not fat subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes rate the podcast that you love so much on apple podcast and write a little review if you tell me you did i'll give you a big virtual smoo too much for listening and i'll see you next to Thursday.