Not Skinny But Not Fat - My VPR OG BB Katie is back!

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

My VPR OG BB, KT (Katie Maloney Schwartz, that is) is back on the pod! A year later, a freaking season later, we discuss everything season 8 – the Kristen Drama, the second wedding and wtf is really up with that marriage certificate, Witches of WeHo, Stassi’s engagement, the new people (RANKED), the future of VPR, and future little Schwartzies. Not many people know this but KT loves celeb gossip too; and we also discuss Gigi’s pregnancy and Kristin Cavallari’s divorce.  This episode was brought to you by: Sun Basket delivers healthy, delicious meals straight to your door. Sun Basket is offering $35 off your order when you go right now to SunBasket.com/notskinny and enter promo code "NOTSKINNY" at checkout. The Not Skinny But Not Fat Podcast is produced by The Podglomerate.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

My reaction to her pregnancy was, like, bigger than to my own. I was like, I was away from my phone for an hour when I saw it, Katie. And I was like, unwell. I was on well. This is not skinny but not fat. And I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny but not fat.

that. Okay, guys, I just posted this on Instagram that I'm recording a podcast with my OG VPR BB, who is Katie. Yay. Yay. I have so many OG BBs. You're my OGVR BB. My dog Leo is my OGBB. My sister, Riel, I call her my OGB because I'm going to have an actual BB.

So people just know, like, who's, who's an OGBB, you know? Oh, thank you. So you're my OG, VPR, BB. I'm honored. You should have been. I'm just saying. Well, you know VPR is like my number one Bravo show, even though this season I've been maybe a little bit harsher. It's okay.

Than past seasons. A lot of people have. Yeah. I mean, I think it comes down to, like, the new people. Like, if it was still just you guys, then I feel like it was. wouldn't have kind of made people feel all types of feelings. Yeah, I mean, it definitely was different this year. I mean, we always have a new person, some fresh blood, maybe a couple of people.

But it was like, it was a whole like group of them. It was a whole group. But you took it pretty like well. Like people need to understand it's human nature to like not like new people. Like even in life, if I'm like going out and my friend brings a friend, like she better give me like two weeks notice and like send me her Instagram before. So it's like people need to understand it's a huge deal to like accept new people as the OG cast like whether they're like Mother Teresa.

It's like you're new. You're in my territory. Like give me a minute. But you guys were like so cool about it. Like I feel like no one bothered you just for being new. Not really. I mean, I didn't know many of them. You know, I didn't really interact with a lot of them, for the most part, really until the end of, you know, the summer.

True. But, you know, I'm the same way. I'm very much like, hashtag, no new friends. Like, I keep my circle really small, you know, just like, I feel like as I got older. I was kind of like, it's also weird to, like, make new friends as you're older. Right. It's like, it's like a skill that you just forget how to use. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I recognize that we always need new people and it can always like help elevate each season. But, you know, I mean, the attitude, the general consensus is always like, all right, well, you got to bring it. And we are, you know, territorial of the show, you know, especially after eight years. Right. And, you know, when someone comes into our space, we're like, who's this person and, you know, what are they going to bring? Yeah, like, people need to understand because I'm also an actor and so is Katie. We, like, I have done, like, a show in my life in Israel and, like, when you have a cast, they, like, match you. There's, like, a thing called matching to see that, like, everyone vibes and, like, it's believable that you're friends.

So, like, reality is even crazier because it's reality. And then it's like, oh, you just have to, like, be in situations, like, with these people. So it's a huge deal. So I really see that, like, as a viewer, it's like, oh, new people. And then it's like, oh, but for the cast, it's even more so. Which I guess I would, I feel like the biggest hater of new people, even if he doesn't say it is like Jacks, who's like, what? I think he kind of said it. I think he even tweeted like, they're all thirsty.

I'm pretty sure. 100%. I think he. And he, maybe that's why. him and Brittany are like in less scenes, which I did feel bad because I did get a few DMs from my followers being like, that episode was so good, Amanda, because Jackson, Brittany weren't in it, which like, I'm not going to make you comment on it. But there was a lot of wedding. Could you agree? Like, your wedding didn't span over 18 episodes when it happened.

No, I mean, but it was, I mean, our wedding was the finale episode. So I feel like it did kind of, there was wedding stuff and wedding prep throughout the whole season. Um, so I don't, I don't know if it just, if, I don't know why it felt different for people, why they, well, A, there was like the drama with Stasi that was so like, you know, big then because you guys weren't friends, which is probably crazy for you to think about at the time. And totally. You're also a different kind of bride. So like you didn't have Disney princesses, you know, and like, you know, things like that. So it's just a different, even though the castle was beautiful, like as much as. I mean, getting married in Castle can be like, you know, hashtag basic. But it was like every time they did like a panover, I was like, that is the most beautiful place. It was, yeah, it was. And it was, you know, in the country. And it was really a beautiful, like, fairy tale dream wedding for Brittany.

And like, and that's where she wanted to get married from the time she was a little girl. So it was her dream. Yeah. I don't like, because I wasn't that. type of person it's crazy to me to think because like I know you wanted to marry tom but were you that were you that girl that like envisioned her wedding like since she was a little girl yeah but it was more like just envisioning just marrying a dude I don't know I didn't have like I think I changed my idea of getting married so many times but I when I was like 12 or like my family used to go to Vegas

every year. Duh. That's a family thing to do. I know. It's weird, but like, but it was close. We would drive there from Utah because my mom refused to, like, get on a plane. She was, like, claustrophobic and wouldn't fly. So it was kind of like the shortest place to go that was warm.

And, yeah, I know it's weird for a family vacation. But I remember, like, thinking Caesar's Palace was so glamorous. And we would. Like, I wanted to get married here? Yeah. And we would see, like, the wet. wedding's happening there in the summertime in June. And I'd be like, oh, that, that is really just.

Oh, my God. Stop, Katie. So your dream came true with your second wedding is what you're trying to say right now? Yeah. But I had forgotten about that. And then I told my mom what we were planning on doing for our, you know, paper ceremony and all that. And she was just like, Katie, do you remember, like, when you were younger and that was

what you wanted? And I was like, oh, Jesus. Oh, my God. That's crazy. Did you not pay that on the show? Um, I think I might have. Yeah, I think I did talk about it a little bit, but, um, but yeah, so it is funny. So I guess I did have a dream and I guess it did come true, but, uh, we do, to clarify the papers. Are they found? Are they like, can we like put them in a frame? Like, what's happening with the papers? Yeah. So, so the paper, okay, in Vegas, the paper that we, we left the ceremony with was a souvenir copy. The guy who was like the, the, chapel official or whatever, he's the one that, you know, took the papers that we all signed and filed them himself. So everything was official the minute we signed the papers and everything

was on the way to the courthouse to be filed. I was just upset because I wanted to be able to leave with the certificate, the souvenir copy to be like, boom, we got it. And Tom lost it. But the minute we got home, I went online and ordered like three or four copies of the certificate. So I have. I'm looking at it right now. We're good. It's legit. So just tell me the first, when you got married the first time, the paper, you never went to the place that you do it because I don't know how it works here. Okay. So we, so before you get married, you have to get a marriage license. So we went to the courthouse, got a marriage license. And then our wedding episode, you see us signing everything. You see Lisa signing it. So when we sent it in, there was something missing, not

everything had been filled in and so they sent it back to us and they're like you missed some of the things so just fill it in and and send it back and so we did that and we sent it in and then when we followed up to get our wedding or sorry our marriage certificate they said that they didn't have any record of our license being sent in and we're like um well we don't have it we sent it into you and so I don't know what happened I have no idea so you sent it and forgot about like didn't track it or like so so so that yeah so after like this they returned it to us to fill in what was missing we sent it in then when we followed up to get the the certificate they said well we don't have any record of your your paperwork and I'm like well we don't have it

we sent it into you so so we didn't know what to do we we we were like well what do we do now what do now. And I was telling Tom, I'm like, you got to follow up on this. You got to stay on top of this. And then it was just like as more time passed, more time passed. And then, you know, the marriage license, they expire. So I guess wherever it ended up going or if it got lost and, you know, the went into like a different dimension, the string theory. I don't know what the hell happened. Wait, so it's not actually Tom's fault. Like it's not like as simple as Tom lost it. Yeah, no, it's just, it's just that he was maybe having, like, poor follow-through on, on, you know, keeping on top of the courthouse and trying to figure out what happened with a paperwork. Who knows? Maybe, maybe it actually is filed. Maybe it's all fine. Who knows? But we weren't able to obtain a marriage certificate. Because they said they never got. So does that mean, like, you actually legally weren't married, supposedly? Well, because, yeah, because we couldn't have proof. We didn't have a certificate proving.

What did you think about everyone making a huge deal about it? Like, were you like, you know it? Because like, what? Yeah, because I mean, it is. Okay, ultimately, like, yes, it is very important for it to be legal because God forbid something happens. It's important that we are recognized by law as being a family. And, you know, that was the driving force between for us wanting to make it legal.

But it didn't change us, you know, us being married and had in heart, which is most important. And people not knowing that never, in their eyes, never, you know. And I was like, wait, so Kate and Tom aren't even married. It's like, and like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, listen, I got married in Israel and in Israel, you do it with like a rabbi, obviously. And I didn't want like a really overly Jewy rabbi who like has all the, rules so whatever i chose this like rabbi who basically like eats probably bacon and like so me and my

husband knows a laugh about that there's going to be like a 2020 of like whoever got married with this rabbi is like not actually married because he's he's dairy with his meat and he was smoking a joint before my hub like i got married on a Friday like so i mean of course it's like important it's the so i mean of course it's like important for it to be official but it's also like you got married and you're you know a married couple and that's what matters i was like why because it was a huge it was like people were freaking out and like you know asking me what i think about it as if like there's some you know theory of like you know was it um per i don't people were freaking out so i mean calling it a sham and saying that like tom did it on purpose and i'm like oh it was

wedding was I didn't even know you personally then and I was like crying and with Tom Sandelval wiping his tears on the dog and it was a beautiful wedding and we all went through you know all your emotions with the ring on a string and like God. Can you remember that? That feels like so long. Do I remember that? I'll never forget that. I mean ring on a string. It's like you're, You should trademark that line. Iconic, right? It's iconic. It's iconic.

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And even though like I could get to that way later, let's like rate them for a second. Like, okay, we have Danica, Dana, Charlie, Brett, and Max. Who are you, I won't say who you like and who you at least like, because then you won't want to do it. So let's do who you're closest to to who you like. I have no connection with. I'm definitely closest with Dana. Her and I, I mean, when we first met, there was something like about her. I just, like, really vived with her.

We clicked. I thought she was just, like, really cool. and I wanted to like hang out with her more and get to know her and then we didn't spend like a whole bunch of time together but towards end of the summer and then since we like wrapped filming we've gotten so much closer and I think she's just the best and I adore her and then Max we've always been really tight with because he's the GM of Tom Tom and him and Tom are super super close

so he's just been someone that's like just been around and hanging around And, you know, I really like Max. So there's no issue with you being friends with both, even though they had, like, their stuff. Yeah, no, she understands. Yeah. Yeah. And I am able to separate the two. I don't talk, you know, I don't break girl code or anything.

And there's no pressure. It's just, yeah, it's very, yes. And Danica, like, I don't really, I don't have interaction with her as much. Yeah, not really. watching her on the show I'm like okay like she definitely like has opinions and a voice

I think she's someone that like so a lot of ways she reminds me of Kristen like she definitely you know doesn't think before she speaks before she acts like you know I think yeah

there's definitely she's a she's like hurting her on the show because I feel bad sometimes because I you know me I always like look at also like how people feel so like I'm thinking like okay new people Dana definitely has the most you know I would say airtime and also I think she's most loved by the OGs and I look at Danica who like came in like Dana thinking I'm going to be on this show hopefully people are going to like me hopefully I'll get

a bunch of followers hopefully this hopefully that and then your presence isn't as big as another new person and when you are then it's like not such a positive, like you were saying, like maybe it doesn't come out so well. And then I literally feel bad because I'm like, that's not, I have a feeling that's not what she was hoping for, you know? Yeah, but you've got to know when you're getting into something like reality TV that you can't be controlled with what they're going to show and how people are going to take to you and how you're going to be portrayed, you know. So you've got to be willing just to like, accept it but i got the vibe from dana when she was on my podcast that she was very serious like

very serious girl uh very uh you know she's educated she had a real job before she's has her head on her shoulder she's very much i feel like she went into the reality tv like being like yeah this a great opportunity i'll do it but she's also very aware of like all the things and aware that it might, you know, not be forever and aware that, you know, she might, I mean, not that I think she'll have to go back to, you know, a sales job, but I feel like there is, even though it's reality, like a sense of awareness of like the situation. But I do think that that probably helped her. But also it's like, it's a thing. It's a chemistry thing. And I could just like imagine being in Danica's shoes and being like, well, because you can't help but like compare yourself,

you know and be like for sure that's not fun for and i'm sure all of like i feel bad for sheena who you know is still working at sir and she films so much more with the new people and is in all this like brett max and then you know the edits that she gets with like the crying over guys and you guys are all the other ojs are like you know married or engaged and living in houses and do you feel that for anyone else in the cast like how they come out on the show you know what I mean?

As far I mean I don't I don't feel like with Sheena I feel like I don't feel bad I mean I there's been things that I wish they could have shown from her past like you know she did the Vegas show which was like really awesome and that would have been really

cool for her to see and like I get the whole like you know not showing enough of her life outside the show because because she does have stuff going on. And I think she gets frustrated that she's just this, you know, she only gets shown being at Sir with like these boys. But it's like that's also kind of like what's going on too. Yeah.

I know she, because she's care. I feel like she's carrying that for a while. They're like not showing her Vegas thing. And I think I heard her on another podcast, you know, kind of comparing herself to Dana being like, you know, they showed her stand up on like the second episode. and they didn't show my, you know, X, Y, and Z, whatever she's doing. Yeah, but you can't blame Dana.

Let's count how many times. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to say about that because it's like, well, my opinion was like with the stand-up thing and coming from a state, it was like that doing stand-up is a lot different than getting a, you know a job in Vegas on a show because you're a celebrity you know the the stand-up thing is something that's like going to an open mic and performing material that's that's like raw and that's like starting you know from the bottom and that's i don't know how people do it you know that's that's something that's like real like that's interesting to watch you know and not that i i just think that it would

have been great to show sheena because it's just been like that's been her growth and that's been her journey, but I, you know, I can understand why maybe it didn't get shown. And also, there's so much shit that doesn't get shown in each of your lives. And like you said, it's like not up to you. That's been sort of the thing from the beginning is that, you know, there's a lot of, we've always had like a big cast and there's just, we don't have enough time. So there's just been stuff that just doesn't make it every year. And that's, you know, it's, it's frustrating, but, you know, that's sort of a, that's part for the course. But have you had situations where, like, shit, I filmed, I don't know, two, three days. I was crying all day. I was being super

emotional, vulnerable, sharing all this shit. And instead they show, I don't know. Oh, my God, yes. Kristen, you know, picking up boxes. Like, why did I waste my time? Yeah, but, I mean, you can't look at it as like wasting your time. I mean, it's hard. Yeah, right. You're doing it anyway. It's the job. But, yeah, but I mean, we don't, we don't know why they choose certain things. And, you know, they've got to follow other stories. And it's kind of just what's going to be the most interesting story to tell at the end of the day. And I get it. I get it.

And you know your hashtag bless. So like, whatever. Listen, this season, I feel like so many of your scenes have been like you being like cute and funny. Do you know what I mean? I feel like there is the Kristen drama, which I'm sure a lot of people focus in on that. is like the one of the main storylines but also like you're you just seem like in your element just like super chill i don't know if you're like smoking that lull shit all day like what's happening but you're like chill but you have a different vibe this season of kind of like you know

kind of like i don't give a fuck but like like i'm here for the fun And even when you're fighting with Kristen, it's like, that's like when I tell you I feel so bad for her is because even there, you're a chill. You know what I mean? Really? I don't think so. But she gets so upset in your fights and it's like, I would die for you. Like, first of all, how does that feel for you watching it and knowing there is, you know, because it's like saying someone's mean because they yell a lot. But then like, that doesn't mean that person's mean because they yell and you're not mean if you, like,

Don't yell. Do you know what I mean? So, like, Kristen is louder in saying, I'm heard, you know, I would die for Katie. Hey, do you feel like the way she portrays your friendship that she would, you know, take bullets for you and you're basically, you know, her sister from another mister and whatever? Like, do you feel that for realsies? Like, or do you feel like she's just maybe one of those people that kind of exaggerates those things? No, I mean, like Kristen and I, like, we were. sisters. We were like ride or dies. But I want, but when she was, when she was being like so like, like cat and a blender, I would die. I just like when I'm looking at her, I just want to be like Kristen just take. Yeah. I just want to be like just take a breath. I'm just trying to have a conversation with you like calm down. Can we talk without you like crying and like can we have a conversation like what like it just felt like every time we went to talk. It was just like she just would like burst into tears and it just got to the point where I'm just like, is this just like what is happening? What is happening? Because I'm trying to explain to you. You keep asking me

like what is happening and why, you know, why our friendship is the way it is. And I'm trying to explain it to you. And when I start talking, you just start launching into this whole like, but I would die for you. And I would, you know what? It just became like really difficult. I couldn't have a conversation with her. Can you tell me and us then the reason, so we know, since she kept on crying, and you can say it? So, okay, well, I think she thought it was just that, you know, she was going through her breakup with Carter this year. And it was that, you know, we weren't supportive or we didn't believe her or, you know, and we just were abandoning her during this hard. time and it was just like no girl like first of all this has been going on for like two years now

and really what happened was it started you know a year before that or like maybe even longer because you know her and carter you know she she had been really unhappy for a really long time and you know we were so supportive of her and I had so many conversations I mean hours like where she would come over and just talk about how unhappy she was and how, you know, she just was trying everything to make it work and she didn't know what to do and she just wanted him doing nice to her. And I would just like be heartbroken because that was my best friend. And I would, you know, try to offer her advice or just, you know, listen to her or, you know,

I went through different tactics of like how to be supportive in these conversations. And, you know, I get to the point where I'd just say, like, well, you know, for me, I just know that in order for me to feel good about whatever decision I make, I just know, I have to know that I did everything I could to make it work. And it sounds like you've done everything that you can do. So it doesn't sound like there's anything else left to do. And she just would say that for a long time that she knew that she knew that for a long time that she'd probably run its course. And so I was like, okay. So it's like every time we like the conversation would end, she would almost like arrive at this decision that she knew that she had to like break up with him. and then it would be like the next day it'd be like the conversation ever happened her and Carter were fine then it'd be like he'd come and hang out with us and she'd be like please be nice and it was just like it would be really hard so he is kind of

the the root of your it's not that so what what it ended up becoming was then when so all this you know we were supportive of her privately and then she wanted in season seven before it happened she's okay like I think you know I need to be honest

about my relationship and what's really going on because, you know, it's our job to be honest about our lives. And she's like, but I don't know how. And we're like, well, you know, like we can help you. Like we just, we have these conversations all the time with you. We'll just have it organically, you know, with cameras. And so the minute that that happened and what got brought up, she just like flipped and became like aggressively defensive of him and really angry at us for bringing it up even though we discussed this and she said that she would, you know, be honest about what was going on. And that was really hopeful me because she was acting like we weren't supportive and we were bad friends and, you know, how dare we? And I was just like,

yo, like that's when I started to like feel like, okay, this is like the trust was starting to break and the communication was starting to break down because then, you know, she's still want to have the conversations off camera and have the heart to hearts. And then, you know, it just, then those conversations started to not, like, then it, then it became, like, the more she started to defend him on camera. And then she started to say, like, well, I just can't talk to you about this anymore. I'm like, well, maybe you shouldn't talk to us about this anymore. Maybe we should have some healthy boundaries because it's one conversation one day and then you defend him the next day. And it became, like, really difficult to navigate these things and be supportive of her, but have her treat me and act like I'm not supportive.

when she knows I am, when I know I am, and I have been for so long. And so, and it just got to a point where I'm just like, if this is just how you want your relationship to be where you're just going to just be unhappy and want to get sympathy for your friends and get, like, be consoled by your friends, but not really intend to do anything about it. Like, I don't, I can't take that emotionally. That's really hard for me. Because it doesn't feel real.

Like, that's the, it's not like, you. you care that much about Carter, it's like you, it becomes like less real of a friendship if she's not being honest all the time. Basically, the best analogy is like, it came to a point where it's like it's somebody who's standing out in the rain complaining about getting wet but not wanting to come inside. So it's like, you know what? I don't know what else to do. Like just then stay outside and get wet.

I try to offer you an umbrella. I try to get you come aside. I stood out in the rain with you. like what else can I do? Like you know what you need to do if you don't want to be wet no more. And sometimes it seemed like she was very to be wet no more.

Sometimes it seemed like she was like detached from reality because I can only imagine like you're saying all this is happening. She's complaining about him like wanting to break up with him then, you know, not doing it, whatever. And then I remember, you know, when I flipped and it was like, okay, I totally get like I couldn't do it anymore either.

it's like the the the jackson brittany there was like a scene where it was like wait so is carter coming and she's like yeah of course it would come like why wouldn't he come like of course they and and i told you this like i know people like that it's like it's such an annoying way to say it you know what i mean like you know there's like a like a reason why we're asking this isn't like you know the same as like tom schwartz coming like like you know what i mean like he like it was just her her lack of like awareness and admittance of the situation of being like of course like you you know and it's like no there's a reason we're asking and a reason why it would make sense for him also to not be here and like don't act like you know yeah there isn't well yeah so

when they did break up or suppose she said they broke up in february and but they were still living together and still sleeping together. And at this point, you know, our conversations about their relationship were really hard because we, the trust had sort of not been there and our friendship and the communication was broken down. That's when it became difficult. And that's when she started to say like, well, you just, you know, this isn't the kind of love that I need. And it just, it just was just like, girl, I don't. And then, and so everything came to a head this summer and we just fought every time we talked. And it just was like, like I just threw my hands up and was just like I need to just separate myself.

Were you getting like rage texts and stuff like that even though I know you're the queen of that but I'm saying like because I hate that when you fight with a friend, you get like a gazillion like book sized text. Like were you getting those a lot? Um, no. It was just mostly like when we would be around each other and, you know, the conversation would come up about him in their relationship and, you know, we'd ask questions, obvious questions. And she would just, like, flip out and just, you know, say that, just say that we just weren't supportive when we had been for so long, but we just didn't know how to be anymore because it just didn't make any sense. Like, nothing made sense. It's like you want to, you know, have all the sympathy of going through a breakup without actually being broken up and we don't know what's going on and you're being really weird about everything.

And I know relationships are, you know, messy at times. And breaking up is not easy no matter what. but like at this point I just felt like okay well you're a grown woman this isn't the first time you've gone through this like come on yeah and I felt tell me if I'm wrong like when you were at that dinner and you were having a conversation she's like Katie how long you know have I been there when and she said in a really ugly way she didn't say like when you and tom were going through a hard time she said like when Schwartz was like fucking up or fucking around whatever she said and I remember I was like I like felt to you you know what I mean I was like I was like I

I know that that moment, you were like, okay, this is not a person. Was that one of those moments where you're like, okay, I would die for you and like saying that kind of thing on camera in that kind of a mean, malicious way? Was that a breaking point? Yeah. I mean, and I knew that she was just saying that to be an asshole. Like, that's definitely, I like invented that move. I know exactly what that means and why she did it

and I've done that before so I get it but it was just like you know what like we're talking like right now we're talking about you and what's going on you and Carter and for you to bring up something hurtful from my past and something and the reason why you would come to me and ask for me for advice is because of like the shit that Tom and I have gone through so for you to throw that in my face just like felt like so low

and it just is like why why are you going to bring that up yeah especially on camera like it's just it's ugly you can't the thing wasn't necessary right it wasn't you're saying it was a dig for being a dig like that's what you mean like you invented that yeah it's like let me just say something super hurtful that isn't even what we're talking about so I felt like at that moment also it was like a moment for you where you were like over it Okay. So Witches of WeHo, like that whole thing. So I've been, you know, when I'm like recapping the show and you guys are talking about it and like, because I at the beginning when you came out with the wine and like we were even talking about podcasting, I was like so mad. It wasn't live. So because I was expecting a give bag of wines. I was like, okay, if we do the podcast, she's going to come with some wine. It's going to be great. So like, you know what I mean? Like I would taste the wine. I would want to try the wine. And I feel. like a lot of this the drama surrounding it this season is like not so positive because

you're in it together but you like aren't getting along. Stasi's a very vocal about being like you know this isn't my priority and I'm not I don't really like working with friends and you know let's just do this to do to do this. I mean I was hoping because yeah like definitely when when we started this it was at the end of you know last summer when things in our friendship were sort of like not great you know already but you know I was like okay maybe this is something that will like bring us closer and this is really exciting like oh my gosh like we've all like the three of us like have drank had so many wine nights and like loved wine for so long like this is so like on brand for the three of us like this is so cool like we were like so ecstatic about it in the

beginning we had so much fun coming up with the label and the name and just take seeing the wines and picking the wines and everything like that and when the potion number one came out like it was still like we were really excited about it but it's just like as we started getting into it yeah there was definitely different um opinions of how it should be promoted and how you know the involvement was um between the three of us and stasi definitely is not like a group project kind of person for sure does that offend you at all or like you're so close that like Because, like, do you feel like if it was just you and her, would you be able to do something together or, like, not even that? I think she's just has been, like, very, I really just appreciate when people are just, like, 100%.

Like, I can't get mad when somebody's like, this is just how I feel. And it's like, yeah, I'm like, it stings a little bit because I'm like, oh, damn, like, that's a bummer. But, you know what? That's how you feel. And I can't, like, I can't force that on you. And I, you know, and I appreciate that. And I just am someone that just really appreciates honesty, no matter what. So I get it.

I get it. It just, it's a bummer. And let's talk about because, okay, on the show, it's like this whole thing, and this was on a few episodes of like Kristen being like, you know, acting as if she's like humping and, you know, grinding and, you know, running around down, basically selling this wine door to door when basically we're talking about promoting it and the main vehicle of promotion is social media. So her main complaint is that

she's promoting on social media, which I get because, like, she has the least social media presence, even though she has a big presence too. But I think maybe that's also like a thing. She has the least social media presence. She knows that, like, if you guys were

supposedly as in it as she supposedly is, by the way, I know you say supposedly, it's just like a thing that I know. everyone so don't yeah but but then i was like oh it makes sense she wants stossie's like two mill you know and you're one mill and to promote it uh so i get that but it became such a like what else does she want you katy to do that that whole thing came up where she was complaining about you not being like what did you want you to do like knock on doors yeah i'm not i'm not

sure i don't it became such like a scorekeeping thing because it's like i was promoting it and And that's, I guess that's where it came to what Stasi meant, like, we have, like, different ideas of how we promote this. Because for me, I don't believe in just, like, spamming my stories and my Instagram with, like, swipe-ups and buy this. It's, like, it's wine, too. It's like, you got to, like, pepper that stuff in. And, like, I don't, like, if she wants to, to sit at home and, and pump that shit out all day long, like, by all means, that's your prerogative. But, like, that's not how I think it's a smart approach to promoting. and you know so but for her to sit and act like I wasn't doing anything and she was doing the most

was kind was just a little like ridiculous because like there like there was no like you have to post this much amount like it was just like I was doing my part stasi also promoted it on hers you know I don't know why it became this whole thing of like a like a keeping score kind of thing that was right And then to act like she was the busiest person, she was, she was busier than I was. It's just like, it was just like, I don't care. It doesn't matter. I don't care from sitting at home with my thumb up my ass. Like, it's no, it's none of your business. What I'm doing versus what you're doing. Like, I'm still posting for it. I'm still promoting it. Just because you're promoting it more. Like, I'm, I don't know what to tell you. I think there's no like. And then at the wine event, it was like, it seemed as a viewer that she was trying to shift. that she was like really into it so it's like just like you know the visual of her like running around with like the witch buckets or whatever and being like like this over here okay this over here you know like acting as if she's like Mindy why is I don't know the Kardashian event planner like she basically just like was there all night with the organizing that's what it seemed like

she was like doing so much even at the event she was the one hanging up the things and putting the decorations and trying to make it seem like that. That's what it felt. Yeah, because the knocking point wine people brought it to, brought all that stuff to her house because we were in Vegas during that time. So they brought it over to her house and she brought it. It's really like, I'm not going to pretend like it's something it's not. And I wish she wouldn't either. I mean, and I'm not trying to like take away from it either. But like, let's just, let's just not pretend like it's something it's not either, so.

So her not coming to the Vegas thing, do you regret that at all? Do you feel like that was like a decision because the way I thought about it was like, okay, you're not inviting her to your second wedding and she's like, you know, your past sister would die for you, all that shit. But also like she's not there with all of you,

I mean, breaking the fourth wall, whatever, but like filming and part of that. So I feel like it felt like there might be too, which is so funny. I'm getting a flashback to her and China talking and China just being like, I mean, I couldn't go, but I was like invited. You know, Katie said she'd love for me.

Sheena with her like, you know, sensitive side. Wanted to make it very clear that she's not there, not because she wasn't invited, but because she couldn't. But you, yeah, you didn't even get invited. So do you feel like that? That was like a big decision for you not to, that was like you and then Stasi,

obviously they didn't have her at, the engagement thing for Sossi. But that was like the, not the beginning of the end, but kind of like a stamp on how much this end of friendship or fizzling out of friendship is for real Z's. I mean, I think people had seen the last few times

that Kristen and I had been around. Like we were arguing and fighting and it just, it didn't make sense. Even though, even though this was like, it wasn't like a wedding. I mean, we're calling it a paper ceremony we didn't want to take away from our actual wedding um but it's just you know i didn't also want to take away from it um by having her there and we just

weren't in a good place like it was it wasn't conceivable to or made sense to to have her be there and and even though i wasn't happy with the state of our friendship and what was going on it's not like I got pleasure out of you know having her not be around these things and it's I'm not again I'm not this like heartless bitch but you know it's just if it doesn't make sense to have somebody there because we're not getting along like why am I going to have someone come on a trip where we're spending like 24-7 together right doing activities celebrating if we're not all getting along Like that doesn't make sense And I don't know why

That was lost on so many people I don't it doesn't make you feel like the The general response from people you feel like Didn't get it and thought it was like not a cool move from you Because I didn't feel that Yeah I mean I think I think some people thought I was just like a bitch move And I was just like actively just trying

Just to like leave her out of stuff It's like yo like if you're if you're Consistently arguing with somebody and you're trying to, you know, take a break with somebody to potentially salvage what could be left of a friendship by taking a break with somebody. Why are you going to be like, okay, come to Vegas? Right. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Listen, I, from my point of view, like, your friendship is not what it was. And that happens so much. Like, I know that personally from my relationships. I'm sure everyone listening has had friends that

they were sisters and they're not anymore like shit shit happens because you're not actually blood and you don't have to love each other forever and that happens and i had like literally a psychotic break watching the show one day when christin was you know crying in one of the interviews about how she would die for you and take a bullet and sisters whatever and i literally i was like but you're not anymore but you're not anymore and i i didn't stop and someone noticed it and thought i did it to be funny but I wasn't. I did it because I want to be in front of her and shake her and say, but you're not anymore. So, like, no need to take bullets. And, like, you can always be there. But, like, friendships, you grow apart. People change, you know, all the time. And if it's about Carter or about how she

was behaving or the fact that you're just in different places in your lives or the fact that you're not the same people that you were, you know, seven years ago, then that happens. And And it's okay, and it's okay to feel a certain way. And I think Kristen, it's hard to not, like, feel for her because she's, like, weaker, quote, unquote. Do you know what I mean? Like, it seems like you're stronger and Stasi's stronger. And she's, like, the weakest link of, like, seems not in a good place emotionally.

Doesn't seem. But, but again, and I talked to you about this in private, it doesn't matter. Like, people, the fact that you seem strong. and Stasi seems like she has her shit going on. It doesn't mean you don't have your own issues and your own moments that matter too. Like it's not like the Kristen pity party and we all need to just feel bad

because her life is not as. Yeah, well, that's what it came down to because it's like, I know Chris, I've known Kristen, I know her very well. And it's, I know she's so much stronger than what she was displaying and how she was, you know, and how she was. Like she wanted everyone, you know, she wanted to say I'm this broken person take care of me be there for me but I'm like I'm like girl you are so much tougher than this I know you are and and it's just but I couldn't say that to her

anymore because she didn't you know she said that that love didn't work for her but it's just like for me I know that I I would be your love doesn't work for me anymore that was a line yeah but I just feel like you know it's my belief that you know you're being a good friend a best friend when you can look at your friend and tell them that their behavior is, you know, self-destructive or that they're not doing the best thing for themselves, you know, and that's simply all I was ever trying to do. It's complicated. And I feel like people should be more sensitive to that because just think about your friends. Are you best friends with whoever you were best friends with in elementary school and high school and college at work? Like, shit happens and people move on.

And she shit too, even though obviously I hope that you guys all are cool. But let's talk about, okay, there are a couple things that I want to ask you about. A, there was that prank which annoyed me a little bit, the toilet paper prank. And then the, it's like coming up next week, like prank and like, you know, just it brought me back to Kardashian episodes that would annoy me. But the cop prank that Jacks did to Sandival. you were, like, upset about it. Yeah. Do you remember why, like, why that?

Because I remember you were like, this is not funny. Like, you were like, you were being a Debbie D in the situation, which I can understand why, like, people are like this. It's funny, but you have your reason. So I want you to tell me. Oh, God. Okay. Well, for one thing, we had been drinking all day long, which is just a recipe, you know? Yeah.

And it's just like, getting mad about something that maybe you would. wouldn't have gotten something out of that. Yeah, I don't think, I don't, like, I think had I been like sober, I wouldn't have been that strong of a reaction. But it's like, yeah,

I think it's just also like when it's just such like a crazy extreme, from one extreme to another, like, it's like a whiplash, you know? But I just, I think just some pranks just go too far. And it's just the one, the only thing I'll say is just that,

I just don't think we should laugh about anyone getting arrested until we can laugh about everyone getting arrested. Right. And then Tom got like, I felt like it was such a human instinct of Tom, not in, I mean, he was being an asshole, if I can say that. But he, I think it was like the feeling that he had, which was like, Katie, like, it's a joke, take it as a joke. Like, be in the laugh.

Don't be like that person that's like. being the devil's advocate or whatever. But then he got, like, also very upset that you weren't, like, into the joke. Even though, like, it wasn't funny. Let's, let's start at the beginning. Like, the TP was even funnier. Like, this wasn't funny. It seemed to me, like, you know, Sandeval from the, maybe one of the first seconds was, like,

kind of had this, like, half little smirk. Like, maybe he already knew what was going on. There was nothing, like, funny about it. You know what I mean? It wasn't. I feel like if I were there, maybe I wouldn't have had your reaction, but I would have been like, this is Demiyev. Like, why? Like, yeah, I just, I don't, I just think, I think it's just like, if you wanted to get back at somebody, like, you should just teepe at his house. I think you got it, you got to like. Right. I think, but it was Randall's

idea. Randall, right? Yeah. And then, okay, just we were talking about the wine and the drinking and like drinking all day. And then you told me that you weren't, you managed to not drink. for like a month a few months ago. Oh, yes. And you were cool with it. In September. I did sober September.

Which is a thing. Okay, I guess. Sober October, sober September. Yeah. I just like, I mean, partly, part of it was just like, wanting just to sort of dry out for some time. But also it was just like, I've been trying to lose weight for a really long time. And it was trying like everything.

I had been like working out. a ton of had trainer. I had been like, you know, I always have like a moderate diet, you know, I will indulge in like a pizza here and there, whatever. But I always like eat pretty healthy. I had like cut out like sugar for a period of time. I was doing like all like the things that you do to try to like lose weight and like nothing was working. So that was also part of it. So was cool for you to not drink also? Like were you around? people going out at the time because it wasn't it wasn't quarantine yet and you're fine so you're ready to get pregnant babe I could I told you and I've said this on my Instagram which probably

people think I'm annoying because they're like isn't it so hard a lot and I was like listen I thought I would be that girl I thought my husband would never have a drink again and I literally it'd be front page news that you know husband dies because tries to have drink next to pregnant woman. But I really don't care. Like, I really don't care. He's been drinking whenever he wants in this quarantine. He's been sneaking sigs, which I thought I would mind too because I enjoy that sometimes too. I'm like, I like having a drink. Sometimes it's like a social little pufferoo. But it's not, it doesn't bother me for some reason. And probably because your body is like going through a whole different change and it's craving different things. And alcohol is probably not one of them. So. So.

True. Maybe there's that part of it. No. The other day I like took a sip of vodka and I was like, ugh, and like spat it out. It was like the worst thing ever. But all I'm saying is that you're, you know, ready to. I know. Tom and I talked about it. And we were like. We talked about it last year, by the way. I remember our podcast last year and we were talking about it. And I don't remember what you said. But it wasn't like, no. Because listen, the moment that you're like in your 30s and you're married, obviously it's not unless you don't want kids

at all, which that's fine if you don't, but if someone doesn't. But if you do want them in your future, it's obviously a time to be like thinking and like Yeah, no, I mean, and Tom and I like, we were like thinking, okay, like this summertime, but then it's like I'm always like hesitant to like

talk about it publicly or out loud because like you don't want to like. Just be jacked. You know, just like be first. You don't want to like jinx it or have everyone be like, so you mentioned that you were going to start trying. How's that going? That question is pressure and it's stress. I just would like rather just be like, oh, hey, by the way. I know. Katie wants to announce when she's like nine months pregnant and be like tomorrow I'm having the baby, which maybe let's see, let's see. I mean, there were, we also talked about celebrities. I don't know if everyone feels this or it's just you and I that think about these things, but that there are.

celebrities that have the longest pregnancies. There are celebrities that have years. Like, it's just like, I can't believe they're still pregnant. Who's still pregnant? We're going to have a lot. We're going to have so many people to, oh my God, we have to talk about this. We have to talk about Gigi. For a minute. Wait, what's happening in Hollywood? How, what was your range of emotion? What were you feeling with the rumors? What were you? Because I know you kind of like celeb stuff. So were you thinking from the get-go like, okay, if there's a rumor, then it's a hondo true? Like, could you imagine it? What, what would you think? Well, I remember like when I first saw that, I, it was just, to me, I was just like, oh my God. I didn't, I don't even

think for a minute that it might not be true. Yeah. I mean, I just feel like, I feel like because we're in like quarantine that for there to be like a rumor, like no one's out. about like how else like there's no room for tons of like speculation right you know like who the fuck with sorts you know i know that's so frustrating that's so annoying because you know like it's a pregnancy symptom i had didn't read about is that i'm more like into like i used to just accept things as like status quo like vpr like whatever's happening's happening now i'm like did the producers like i've become so annoying i really like blame the the pregnancy but But same about this.

Like I couldn't just accept it. I was like angry that there was this source that has all the information that's breaking, you know, all code. Like, you know, this source knows the fucking exact due date, the, the gender, the everything. And they're probably the source. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's like Gigi felt too cool to post a like Leah Michelle blessed photo. That's not her vibes.

So she needed to, she needed the rumors and then to confirm it, which she did on a Jimmy Kimmel, like, Instagram thing. And so nonchalantly, by the way, it was like, yeah, thank you so much. I like her style. I like her style. Yeah, she's like in the farm. She's wearing flannel or something. And she confirmed it. It's hard for me.

to I'm, I think I'm just like a very conventional person, even though I know that's boring and whatever, but I am a like, you get married and then when you're married, then you like have kids. So because that's my state of mind, because like I've been with my husband for 10 years and literally was like, no, no. And then needed so much time to like decide to, you know, let him penetrate me and we know with no protection and make that decision as if the baby's going to come tomorrow. So I need to be, you know, wanting this 100%. And, you know, so relating to a person who is so young, who's in an on and off relationship with Zane who, I mean, NT lawyer says that he's like a drug addict, but I don't know if to believe NT lawyer. I don't know about that. I don't

about that either. But it's just like, Gigi, why would you have a baby now? I mean, like, you're in the height of remodeling career. Like, I don't know. It just seems like... Well, I think, okay, because I'm, I think the same as you for, like, myself. Because, like, Tom and I have been together, like, this year for 10 years as well. And, like, I'm the same way. Like, I feel like I just needed to be, like, in a place in my life. And again, like, that if I, you know, if I even think about wanting to have a baby that the baby is, like, here tomorrow, because, kind of thing though all that um but i think with her like because she started like she had like a career and was like traveling the world and like full blown at such a young age that she probably

grew up a lot faster than we did you're saying jiji's more mature than us i'm not saying mature but i just think i don't know i think that maybe she just feels that she's at a place already like maybe it's just been accelerated faster we had i mean let's be honest i did the timeline you know her and Tyler, to be due in September, which she is, it means they conceived in December. And she broke up with Tyler C, Tyler Cameron from The Bachelor in, like, October, meaning like it was literally like Gigi and Zane hooked up and the first night was unprotected. Like that's, so I think we can assume this wasn't like a planned pregnancy. This was like we had sex. This happened.

So we'll keep it. But that's my thing. I think I would be more accepting of it and more can. wrap my head around it if like her and Zane were in you know a very long um very stable relationship but i feel like as a and we have to put the fact that she's a celebrity and she has a lot of money and having a baby isn't as stressful like kiley had a baby at 21 doesn't matter to her if she has a baby or not like literally her life doesn't have to change she can still like she can have 17 nannies and i mean it's also even though jiji

doesn't seem like that vibe it was a big thing listen i think i was more my reaction to her pregnancy was like bigger than to my own i was like i was away from my phone for an hour when i saw it katy and i was like unwell i was unwell maybe i'm like jealous maybe i'm like she's stealing my thunder but there's so many people there's giji there's um they're gazillion pregnant people right now so many ashley simpson right um lea mela well who else Sierra? Sierra? Yeah, Sierra's pregnant. Oh, my God.

I know. Mad people. I put out the other day. Catherine Schwarzenegger. But she didn't do a hashtag how many months. So, you know. At least Gigi we know, you know? I think Catherine Schwarzenegers do like early fall time.

Oh. I love when they tell us like how many months so we can do that. I put up Gigi's photo and people were like, well, yeah, because like everyone shows differently. And like, maybe it's not. And I was like, I know you fucking annoying people. Of course, I know everyone shows differently, and she's a supermodel, but she's still wearing a belt and jeans in 20 weeks. And for me, for anyone listening and was that person that's saying that to me, it's very like psychological. Like you know you're pregnant, so you somehow like feel like

you want to like be in oversized clothes, even though Gigi probably doesn't. I have a really skinny friend who saw that and she told me, Amanda, you can so see she's like pregnant here. And I was like literally just because you're skinny. Because what person, would see a baby bump on Gigi right now. Supermodel. What do you think about, we have another big celebrity news thing, the Kristen Cavalieri and Jay Cutler divorce.

So many people were like, oh yeah, I'm not shocked by this at all. I don't know why I was shocked. I was so shocked. Because maybe because they were like in the Bahamas for like how many weeks doing their thing. And I just see, like, I don't know.

And they do like this show. I just I thought that was I mean I think maybe people that watch the show got a vibe I don't watch it but yeah I don't I've seen it a couple times And people are like oh they don't even have like chemistry But people say the same thing about me and Tom like you don't know Yeah people say like it doesn't even seem like time Yeah so I'm like but I don't I don't read into that kind of stuff

Because you just you never know like you don't You actually seemed from I watched like a couple episodes And the vibe I got from the show was that people loved Jay Because he's like the like not doofy But he's like the around the house, like lumberjack guy. And like I never got, I was actually really surprised. I thought that balance work that she's like a go-getter. Like, she's one of the people I unfollowed in quarantine.

Who did I unfollow? Chris and Cavaleri. The baby emoji things were too much for me. The Bahamas too jealous. And followed Justin Bieber for the Instagram lives. And finally I unfollowed Kylie for her. dying fake ass, which like, I was depressed Katie for like a couple of days. Like I was not well over this Kylie unfollowing. I saw you were spiraling. I was, dude, I was the little worried. I was

like, oh my God. Put the phone down. No. So, but do you see that I had to do it to like be healthy? Like I. It's a smart idea. And I feel so much better about it because people send me her thing still sometimes, but it's not to the amount that I was. And, like, for some reason, like, you know, when Bella Hadid, did you see Bella posted this, like, weird video of herself in, like, a thong? No, I didn't see that. Oh. So it doesn't bother me. I can laugh at it and be like, oh, Bells need some attention. For some reason with Kylie, like, we need to figure out why she triggers me so much. But did you, do you have that with anything in, in quarantine or in general, just like, kind of weeding out people that aren't making you feel good inside?

No, but I have been focusing more on people that are a little more positive and just kind of like... But not too positive. I think my algorithms is just not showing me all the thirst trap stuff that would make you trigger me. And it's like I get a little more of like the uplifting stuff, which is nice. You watch the Kardashians, though. Yeah.

What do you think about this season? Dallas. Stop. Enough. That's it. We're done. I haven't caught up on, like, the last, like, couple weeks, but the first, like, a few weeks. Oh, you watch the good ones.

You watch the episodes with Courtney. Yes. I love Courtney. I know. I love her. But she's, you know, she's half in, half out right now. I know. I feel her, though.

I get it. You do? Yeah. What I'm saying? No, I'm not saying anything about me But it's just like I think she just She needs to just separate herself from it

A little bit And I think she's feeling undervalued And I think she is good for her I remember from our podcast last year One of the sentences you said Which like were iconic Which was you were like something about Like that your ashes

God forbid We'll be spread in the back lot Parking lot of Sir Like that's how you feel Because I think we were talking about how the show, like, I was like, I hope there are 89 seasons and you guys are like a hundred and still filming. Do you still feel that way that it can go on forever and you'd be happy with it? And yeah, really. Yeah, I'll keep doing it as long as, as long as we keep

getting picked up. Yeah. But what, so, okay, so you, that's your personal feeling. And what do you think, like, do you feel like this is what's going to have to keep happening, like, you guys, but like with a little bit of sprinkles of new people? Like, I really am. trying to like envision the the future of it like if they're trying to like what it's going to look like are you like I hope that it's never the case that the OGs won't be part of it it's just going to be like the new waitresses of sir because that's not going to work for me yeah I think it's just right now trying to figure out a balance and figuring out how you know we because obviously you know like I'm not at the restaurant anymore you know

but like still staying involved and you know having people you know because obviously like we're growing up it's just like I I worked at Surr Forever and if there's going to be an episode where you are like I need to pick up some shifts I'm on the screen no no but it's just like but like you know we grew up this was inevitable but I think you know a lot of people still like want to see um us in the next like chapters of our lives because yeah like we're going to start families and you know but we're all still all in each other's lives and the you know the dynamics are still there and it's ever changing but you know still the same in a lot of ways right um but i still think that there's a lot of miles left in us and um that we just got to figure out how you know the show

can evolve and you know just figuring out that balance of and how to make it make sense you know And this past season was different and challenging. A lot of people had a lot of adverse reactions to it. But, you know, we're just trying something new. Yeah. Did it feel like that? Did it feel like the people had mixed feelings, mixed reviews about the season? Totally.

I mean, and I get it too. Because, like, yeah, I would watch it. I'd be like, oh, my God, there's, like, so much going on. And it was hard because, like, there was a bunch of storylines and there wasn't enough time to dive into. to like all of them and really you know follow them and and explore them um and it kind of jumped around a lot and so yeah I know I get that and I hear that but I think they'll you know I think they'll be a way hopefully hopefully or they just split it into two I don't know we'll see I mean

I don't know it seemed like they were trying to make the like Vegas one happening with the baby Sheen a girl. I was like, what are you doing? I don't think of, I don't think that. I think that was just a fun little treat, a little snack. It does seem like Lisa is like kind of a little bit, not like 50% more, but maybe like 3% more in your guys's stuff. Do you think it's because she's not on Beverly Hills anymore? Because she was like in on the bra prank, which like, I feel like you couldn't even, you were like, like, Lisa asked. you to do a prank and you you you didn't even act through the whole thing you gave up and you were like yeah it's leases oh there was a little bit more to that um yeah it was just that was so

it was so weird and so random and yeah she does feel a little bit more in she like dropped the thing about the your your um paper vows next to Kristen she does seem a little bit more She's always been involved, but there is maybe like a tad bit more. Well, I mean, before she would be filming, like, two shows at one time. Right. And she was spread entirely thin on top of, like, all the restaurants and the Vanderpump dogs and everything else she had going on. So I think she definitely had more availability. Right.

Oh, there's that. There's that. True. Okay. One last thing is we got to talk about the Stasi and Bo's engagement. Yay. A, why did it take six months? B, how involved were you?

I mean, I know he said it took six months. I think it was just kind of like, by the time he was like, okay, I guess I'm going to propose to actually proposing was a six month period. But I think it was kind of like, okay, when do I want to do this? And then like, how do I want to do this? And then, you know, how do I, how am I going to get the rings? And, you know, I think because, yeah, she, he got the rings from his aunt who lives in Nashville, I believe. And Stacey, like, he took Stossie to go meet her when we were there in February. So that was sort of like the beginning.

That was like six months prior. So that was sort of the. Oh, my God. So we had the rings, like, hiding them since February. No, he didn't have them yet. Oh. So, yeah. So I didn't find out.

I mean, I knew I was going to like happen, but I didn't know like it was up for sure, for sure until the beginning of the summer. And then I was just like, okay, well, just like, let me know what I can do to help, you know, whether it's just like keeping her off the scent or like, or just, you know, helping devise a plan or a ruse or. or whatever, just to, like, you know, make sure it's a surprise. So she was actually really, like, wanting to get engaged already.

And was she, like, actually kind of, like, insecure. Like, why isn't this happening? Why isn't he proposing? Yeah. She, oh, my God. Of course she wanted to get engaged. And then I think, yeah, because he was rather than just basically being like, it's going to happen, trust me.

He was just like, you know, I just, I don't think I'm ready. Like, he was acting like that it was just not. going to happen and was straight up telling her like I can't do it like I just I'm not ready because that thing's so insane to me that I almost thought it was like like filmed later I remember you saw that and you were like no he was yeah like he wanted he wanted to like like make her you went you went too far I feel like oh my god like you can't like make her feel like it's just not happening like period whatsoever just yeah you don't want her to like you know you leave you for real yeah and i was just like you know and then i was because she would always bring up

stuff especially when tom and i were um doing our paper ceremony about like two rings and i would always do the joke of um from like bridesmaids being like oh you don't have a husband sorry and i was kind i was jokingly torturing her throughout the summer because i knew it was going to happen and it was going to be a happy ending but i didn't realize like how hardcore he was like telling her that it wasn't going to happen so she was actually so surprised so surprised she had no and she i remember her telling me like oh this mausoleum thing it's just like we can't even like she's like we can't even actually like like go in the mausoleums like this is just gonna i'm not even excited like i was looking forward to this but i'm not even excited and you told her to wear her ghost outfit she's like i don't want to waste an

outfit on this like and i was like no i'm like well then just have fun with it. Just like make fun of it and like pretend like you know like wear your ghost outfit and like you're going to be in a cemetery. Are you into that stuff too that you like know what a ghost outfit is or is it because of her? Well like we well both of us yeah. Oh you're you're also into like death and stuff. Yeah. Ghost ghost ghost stories hauntings. Oh my god. Yeah. Like cemetery. Yeah for sure. And so I so yeah without without like trying to like make her think that something was up, I was trying to just be like, oh my God, you should just like make it really funny today and like put on your ghost outfit and like run around a cemetery like a ghost and your haunting

shit. And she would be funny. And she was like, oh my God, like my one yellow dress, my favorite dress. I'm like totally. That would be great if you were wearing that dress in a cemetery. That'd be so funny. And I thought she was going to do it. And then when I saw she wasn't wearing it, I'm like, damn it. Oh, but she looked cute. Yeah, she looked cute. But I know for Stasi like the outfit because she's like little miss LOTD right you didn't want her to like be upset after be like oh my god I can't believe I didn't wear like something fab for my engagement yeah because for me I'm not like I whatever but for her that's just like a big deal yeah but she was so happy like it was it was you know not the most important thing she was so so so happy and yeah

it's such a good day I was like all day all day long all day day long. I was just like, oh, my God, Bo, just text me immediately. Text me, like, text me like when it's happening. Text me, like, right before you do it. Like, just call me while you're doing it. That's so cute. It's so great that you guys are, you and Sassie are so close. And, like, we forget about the blip there was in one of the seasons. And you can tell that you're actually sisters. Yeah. No, for real. It's like a really beautiful friendship. And it looks like you both are just really great friends to each other and support each other and everything. And that's not always, you know, it's not always the case, but people can't always like be happy

for one another. But that ring is crazy. I was like, oh, Bo just like has three heirloom rings he can choose from. Right. Oh my God. And the ring is so, so stunning. They don't make rings like that anymore. And like the details on that ring. It's like, oh my God. It's so beautiful. No, it looks so beautiful k t k t yeah how i like to call you thank you so much for doing this with me again i can't believe it's been legit a year i know and how many episodes do we have left we have i i hope more than a couple uh three i believe oh gee and you guys coming scenes show that like jacks is turning into jacks like old jacks or something so that should be good oh boy yeah these you Yeah, it's, it's about to get...

It's about to get wild? Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks, babe. You're welcome. It's nice to hear your voice. So Katie some love. Add Katie.

Oh, no. Music kills... It's Kate. What is it? Music kills Kate. Like, what emo stage were you in when you came up with that handle? It's my question. No, I used to have a music blog and I just never changed it.

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