Not Skinny But Not Fat - Not a Bachelor Anymore w/ Nick Viall

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

Bachelor Nation alum, Nick Viall, who you may know from two seasons of The Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, and the lead of the Bachelor is on the podcast! Nick is not only off the market now, but is giving dating advice to his 1+ million followers, and is the host of a successful podcast. We discuss this season of The Bachelorette, his predictions, how he met his girlfriend Natalie, which celeb he dated, and what he thinks of contestants coming for fame. Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is Amanda Hirsch from the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast. You might know me from Not Skinny Bonata on Instagram where I spend my time talking about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking with your best friends in your living room. Hey. How's it going? Good. How are you? You professed podcast or you? Yeah. Well, you know, I'm trying my best. No, you're doing so good. Bile Files is killing it? Thank you. Yeah. It's going all right so far. You know, hopefully we keep having

interesting conversations and at least ruffling some feathers. But so far, so good. I feel like with you, because you were on a lot of different bachelor shows, like most, if you know anything about the bachelor, you would know you. Like, because you were on Andy season, Caitlin's season, which was a big one, your own season, you were the bachelor, and BIP. So I've won. So I've won. I've, watched you on BIP and your season. Well, you know, if I, if, if you were to watch two of the shows I was on, I'd prefer to be those two. Yeah, yeah, true, true.

I, so yeah, exactly. I didn't know, because you were, you really underwent like a, I mean, there are a lot of memes. I mean, not memes, but kind of like the way you looked on the show in now. But I literally, when I was sent anything like that, I'm like, it's literally facial hair. Yeah. It's, well, it's facial hair and a better haircut. I think it's weird. I definitely think I went through the ugliest stage of my life in the two years I was on The Bachelorette. Like when I look back on old photos, I just like had a weird haircut. I just kind of like, I really don't know what I was thinking. And yes, facial hair helps. But I think it's more the haircut than anything. You know, and then I, you know, getting the villain edit on Andy C. and didn't necessarily help.

But, yeah, it's, it's, you know, listen, I'll take, I'll take the, the compliment, the glow-up compliments. I like, you know, sometimes my ego is kind of like, no, but wait, I was like hot in middle school. And then I realize I probably don't need to, to worry about that. So, yeah. Well, it is annoying because men get hotter with age and people that don't know this will be shocked, but you are 40. Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to advertise it, but I'm, No, yeah, I am. No, well, here we are, Nick.

You're 40, like, it's actually annoying. Do you get anything? Like, do men in Hollywood get things? Like, do you get any, like, Botox or fillers or anything like that? Or is it, are you just annoying and have great skin? Well, I'm lucky to have great genetics. My parents, if you've seen pictures, both look young. I try Botox once, I'll be honest.

I didn't love the results. And I have no shame in it in terms of people do it. I have a lot of, obviously, women friends do it. it. You know, less is more. I understand the pressures behind it and things like that. But, yeah, like, you know, it's one of the things I was just kind of curious and tried it. And, you know, I'm not saying I would never do it again. But at the same time, yes, I think, you know, society tends to be more gracious with how men age. But listen, I'm also someone who like, you know, whether it's something like that or just, I do take care of myself. I do think, you know,

eating right. And I mean, Gen X play a big part. of it, but eating right, and I exercise on a regular basis, and I don't, I try not to abuse too many substances. I'm not a big drinker, and I think that plays a big role in the aging process. So, you know, so far, so good. Do you think, Nick, that you're like a different typecast than most of the people we see on the bachelor? Because somehow you come across smarter. Is that a word I can use? I mean, I know that's like, there's something about the way you speak that sounds smart even if it's not, you're not saying

smart words. I don't know if it's like this like subtle list that you have. Yeah. No, I'm dissecting it with you. It's like this subtle list or something. You have a little like something going on. And I know that you've come across like would you say like cocky or

conceded like what were people annoyed with you? You come across like a know it all. What was it? When? Depends on who you ask or You know, like when I was the villain on Andy's season, I think my villain edit, you know, they didn't have much to work with. And what I mean by that is like, you know, different seasons have different characters in terms of what they bring in the table. They're going to have to always find something. And so even at the time, I think a lot of people were like, it doesn't really seem like a villain, but definitely the music tells us we're supposed to hate them. I was, you know, the strategic guy, you know, and I was definitely. like, you know, a lot of seasons, they always, like, play on the guy who's just, like, you know, talking to producers about his feelings and his relationship. And, you know,

like, it's weird how sometimes they will penalize you for, like, saying, like, no, I think she likes me the best because, like, why else would I be here? That would be insane to think she likes me fourth best and still be super in love. But weirdly enough, Batonation will sometimes see that as, like, overconfident and cocky. And yeah, I mean, I have a snarky personality. And I definitely have a, I believe in myself. And so, you know, sometimes when it comes to cockiness or confidence, I think in life can be often misconstrued. It really just depends on who's, you know, reading you, right? We know that people project all the time. And so how people perceive you is, you know, their perception of you. And most of that is going to be based off of, you know, what's going on. with them. You know, in terms of, you know, how I'm viewed relative to my peers. Yeah, I definitely think in general, I'm, for better sometimes and for worse, sometimes I'm, I've, I've done my own thing. And I definitely, I've never been a follower ever. And I think in that world, as I've

mentioned a lot, you know, when we recap it on the vial files, it definitely can be a high school mob mentality. You're seeing it, you know, on Katie's season as well. And so, I think, and there's definitely a lot of people like me on that franchise, but it's definitely not the norm, right? And I think there's a handful of smart people who go on the show. I do remember on Andy's season, particularly, I always kind of joke with my friends. I've never been called smart so much in my life. I was just like, I'm not that smart guys. Oh, that's funny. I didn't know that. They were telling you that a lot. Obsessively. It was like,

weird. All the guys were just like, you're so smart. I'm like, just using my head. And you're like, maybe you're stupid. Yeah, I never said that. But, you know, but, uh, I think the IQ went up a lot on Caitlin's season. Um, so that was a different experience. And so yeah, I mean, like, and then lately, I mean, like Tasha and Claire's guys, I mean, they had a lot of, I mean, Dr. John, a lot of smart guys. And so, um, there's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's like anything else. It's kind of a spectrum of different people, but it is funny on Andy's season. It was a, for whatever reason, they would not shut up about how smart they thought I was. You guys, the way we want good hair care, good skin care, we should be using good kitchen wear.

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It's interesting because I feel like on Andy season since it was an older season, there wasn't as much of the social media thing going on. and like, okay, you'll get Instagram famous and now TikTok famous or whatever. So were there people going on then to get famous even though it wasn't the same kind of, they weren't? I mean, you know, the show's always played into the right reasons thing. But again, I've said this before.

Like, yeah, I think people went on for the experience. Like, you got to travel and it was this crazy. And I certainly had no illusions of ending up in the position I'm in today, you know, I went right back to work afterwards. And I, I always stayed pretty, pretty grounded. I mean, part of it is like I, you know, I, I was in my early 30s when I first went on. So I had the benefit of, of some life experience. And I think that really grounded me when I went on. I mean, I can't imagine, uh, going on in my early 20s. Um, so I, I, I am thankful for that. But yeah, it's different because, yes, there wasn't the, there wasn't the,

And I've said this before. Like, there wasn't the obvious playbook that there is now. It's hard to go. Well, now it's... Yeah, it's hard to go on this show, get cast on this show, and not see... You know, you always see the success stories. And I do often try to warn people who go on about, like, just being realistic with their expectations. But, you know, you...

It's obviously you see the people who are successful or seem successful. But given that there's 60 people who get casted every season, if you just kind of do a little math, you know, most people end up disappointed. Are you talking about disappointed in how many Instagram followers they get or disappointed in not finding love? The former. Yeah. I don't know how. I mean, I think there's, you know, again, like realistically, I think everyone goes on kind of a slightly skeptical. and I think for a handful of people every season, they are surprised by the connection they form. But yeah, I don't fault anyone for like,

quite honestly, if you told me you went for love, I would think you're insane. Like, you know, like if you went on for the first time, you know, unless you knew the person, you know,

like when I knew Caitlin or like Blake. I love that vibe. I love that. I feel I want to watch Caitlin's season because I was saying this on Katie's season. When Blake came, in and they had that like connection because they know each other a little bit even a little bit it was like more fun to watch to people that have had a vibe and aren't like on a first first

first date yeah i mean it's i i i couldn't see that it does get a little stale sometimes when it's always like the same like so i you know like what's this going on can i steal you Yeah. And then, you know, you get these awkward conversations. And it is nice because I think sometimes, you know, I can't speak for Caitlin, but like I can observe, you know, Katie in that. And I can speak for myself as the Bachelor. It's exhausting trying to start that many conversations. And so you really appreciate someone who's like, oh, no, like I have questions and there's things I want to talk about. And so I think if there's a natural comfort level, there's, there's less stress on and trying to be like, so, uh, how, how's it going? Uh, it can get exhausting after like the 13th, you know, chat. Wow. No, I can't. I mean, you've got to be, I feel like drunk, even though then it can get, then it can get dicey as well, but. Yeah, I, I didn't, you know, unless you're a big drinker, it's, you don't really have time to drink as the lead. You know, you have to like actively. And I'd always like have a drink with me, but I'd just be so busy doing

the stuff I had to do as The Bachelor, I wouldn't have much time. So, but everyone else is just sitting around by the time I would talk to them, they're, they're often tipsy. Oh, they're often tipsy. Oh, my God. I just had like, you know, flashbacks to Corinne. Your season was crazy. Oh, my God.

I have an anecdote to tell you. So Sophie Turner, you know her from Game of Thrones. Yeah, she, I, do you know? Wait, what? Wait, what? She, I'm going to start. the story and you'll see that it's the same thing that you're going to say. Okay. Are you friends of her? Well, she asked me, she follows me on Instagram and she asked me as a bachelor connoisseurist

what seasons she should watch. And I told her what season she should binge because she was like home with the baby and whatever. So I told her, I think I said like Caitlin's season, your season. Oh my God, that's funny. She saw you on two seasons. So did you watch? So she what about Paradise? So you're trying to watch Paradise? no oh god she's i think i told her she's missing out i said katelyn's season your season i think i said ben higgins because people really like that one yeah that's a good season and maybe mad james because i was like just you know like the the most recent one and then she and then and then obviously i was so excited you know guys i'm obviously a fan girl so i was like so excited let me think and i

took the question so seriously i thought about it for a day like research yeah let me get back to you give you notes. And then I woke up in the middle of the night. I thought I was dreaming and I saw like a message from Sophie Turner again. And I, she was like, I have to tell you something. And I was like,

am I dreaming this? And then she told me what I think you were going to tell me that she saw you at the one, like a Dodger game or something. The Dodger game. Yeah. And she's like, you won't believe it. I saw Nick.

I saw Nick. And I was like, oh my God. She's like he was with his boys. And like she told me. And just, you know, I'm part of that experience for you. Oh, great. It was great. Yeah, I went with some friends and I, she, Sophie turned around.

Like, so she was in front of me and so I didn't notice, like, I didn't notice that she was there yet. It was very early and she turned around and started waving at me. And I immediately was like, let's Sophie turn around. And like, you know, we were sitting in a section where there's, you know, it's a Dodger game. So there's a handful of, like, people you recognize. but it was like one of those things where like I was like well there's no way Sophie Turner knows who I am so she's clearly like waving to someone behind me so for like what felt like two minutes but was probably three seconds I was just like staring at her be like is she waving at me or is she waving at a person behind me because I did not want to wave to Sophie Turner and then have someone like two rows behind me be the person she's waving to but she clearly made eye contact with. me and kind of lipped i love you like and obviously in a very like on a tv you know and not to like a in a very friendly way dump your girlfriend yeah no yeah no and a very like you know i'm a fan watching the bachelor and i was like same you know like um and then after the game i i just said

hey i'm a big fan and it was nice to meet you and uh yeah and she's so cool yeah i'm trying to a lot of like trying to get around my podcast but you know probably oh yeah i haven't even she doesn't she doesn't follow she didn't i followed her passion follow me so you have a leg up on me yeah i know i'm scared to take it to that next level you know that's like it's like it's like annoying it's like she gave me a finger what am i trying to take a hand over here you know yeah no i get what you're saying i understand i understand but um but yeah that was uh it's always fun when you know people like sophy turner it's surprising how many people uh uh watch the bachelor and how many celebrities watch it.

It's a, it's an entertaining show. I think I'm trying to remember, I'll have to tell you after, I think another, because I love your, I was going to say sex advice, but it's dating advice. I've poked fun at it a few times, but in a fun way, not at you, more at like people coming to you with these crazy life questions and you answer them so nonchalant. And I'm, I'm thinking about that person that A is coming to you for that, you know? Yeah. Or do you, you're looking at me like, no, Amanda, they should be coming to me.

I have all the answers. Well, I mean, I have been spending the past like two and a half years doing it and like launch the whole podcast on it. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm grateful that I've built a reputation that people like do value my advice for the point where like I, now I have like therapists calling up and asking my advice. That's been fun. But, yeah, it's, it's been fun.

And, like, you know, my questions, I think on my Instagram is definitely in a tone of kind of a snarky. And it's also, like, it's rapid fire, right? And it's, so, like, that's why I started the podcast asked Nick is because that's more, like, people come and tell their stories and I take actually some time to really. Oh, there's another podcast? I didn't know that. Well, it's all the same, right?

So there's three formats of the file. files. There's the Ask Nick on Mondays, which is people call it and share their stories. And I give them my two cents. And then there's the traditional interviews. And then we recap the bachelor when it's on. Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah. It's time to get more of what you want and less of what you don't. Less stress at work. More fun in the sun. Less to do on your plate. More tacos on your plate. Less thinking about the big picture and more margaritas by the picture. It's time for an all inclusive beach vacation. Cheap Caribbean.com has got you. covered, you guys. You're so close to chilling in Jamaica, partying in Cancun or relaxing in the

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It's, it's comical. I was giving her, I was giving her hard time. It was a while ago. And I went on this, like, tangent. like you know how TikTok has those transitions you know and you go from like I'm dressed in like grunge and then now I'm in a yeah and then like I'm all bowed up and I'm like you can't do that you're too hot like you're you're hot before you're hot and it's like you're too hot to do that it's like you're it defeats the objective but no I mean like everyone loves her she's a sweetheart

and uh just a very kind and and fun person to be around and she softens me up in the best possible way. How did you meet? She DM'd me. She slitted my DMs. Shut the fuck up. She slid on in? Well, yeah.

When you look like that, I think you have a little more confidence. I don't know. But yeah, no, she did. And she, we met up. And then, you know, and then kind of. So she slid into your DMs. Did she know you from the show?

She didn't. And I actually believe her not. At first, I didn't believe her. You know, because you never really know. But I don't have anything. She didn't start watch, you know, she didn't watch. She's not a fan of the show.

Like she, I think she watched a little bit of Peter's season, but she's, I make her watch it now when I recap. And she's just, you know, she like watches it, but she's just not a huge fan of the show.

So she had no idea who you were, but saw your profile. She just thought I was a hot Instagram model or something. I don't know. well you do come up on Wikipedia as an actor great just so you know well I'm a paid actor so you're an actor just so you know

yeah I've been paid to give lines yeah so yeah so she slid in was that your first time like kind of going with that flow and meeting up with with a girl from like DMs or have you done that before I've done it before

I you know I don't make a habit of it I'm definitely more of guarded person. And so even with her, I was like, and we kind of joked when we went on our first date. I think we were both a little like worried that, you know, I hope you don't murder me. Because there is a nervousness of like, you know, meeting a ultimately a strain. And like we had messaged for a while, you know. But I'm cautious, you know, just because.

And I've had like, you know, over the years, I've had some awkward experiences. You know, I went on a date once and, and essentially caught her sending a picture that she took of me without me knowing. Like, we were sitting at a bar, you know, like, booth. And so, like, she looked like she was on her phone, kind of like, and when we were, like, talking, she, like, I don't know, she was, like, she was, like, weirdly, like, sending it to, like, her friend or sister. I'm like, what are you doing? It was, it was the date ended right there. you know but other than that you know you it's a weird world out there you just got to be i think everyone has to be you know careful these days you know in terms of you know just be careful who

you're talking to and especially because your people are meeting online and i think i i promote dating apps and i think that's a great way to meet people but you know as always i think you just got to always be safe i'm a big proponent of people you know i think what covid did in terms of like Zoom and Zoom dates and things like that, I think that's an excellent way to screen someone, especially for women, you know, like, you know, you don't have to give a guy your number. You could literally create an email address for your Zoom dates. And it's just more like, do you look like your picture? What's your sense of humor like? And never talk to them again if you don't want to. Yeah, like start with a phone call that it's like an interview. Like now

if you interview for big companies, like you're not getting in the. fucking front door. You're getting on a phone call. Then if you're good enough, you'll get on a second phone call. Then you're going to get on the Zoom. And then, you know, the, the in-person interview is like way. Yeah. I'm a, I'm a big proponent for people. Like, people will say, like, I don't like first dates because it feels like an interview. And I'm like, yeah. It is. Listen, if. And I only say this because, like, you know, dating is hard. You know, and you just have to change your perspective, I kind of related to like Coachella, right? Like the first time I ever went to Coachella was a few years ago, and I didn't know much about

it. So you hear about all the music, right? Obviously, you hear about the parties and you're like, wow, it sounds like a great time. And so my only expectation was like how much fun I was going to have. And I went and I had a terrible fucking time. I spent the whole time losing friends, looking for friends and chasing fun because it was like, what party should you go? to and like you're losing. And by the time the weekend was over, I was like, I'll never, I'll never go again. This is the worst. And a year later, I had a different friend, you know, who's like, hey, you know, I'm getting a good group together. We should go. I'm like, listen, I had a great, I didn't have a great time last year. And he's like, oh, come on,

come on. And I changed my, I gave it some thought and I changed my mind. But this time, I told myself, all right, listen, like I'm, I'm, I want to have real expectations about it now. Right. First, I'm going for the music. I'm not, I'm not going. I'm not going. for any parties. I'm not going to go in any parties. And if I happen to go to a party, it's going to be because I have nothing else going on. It's super convenient to what I want to do. And I told myself, I'm going to lose friends. And it's fine if you lose friends. Don't let that like ruin the moment you're in. If you're at a concert and you'll find your, you're an adult. You'll find your friends later. And so I kind of and I was like, and you may like,

you're not going to have the best time. You're just going to have an okay time. And I end up having a great time. Right. And so you just got to change your perspective. and I think when it comes to first dates and dating, it's meant to be hard. Like, if you're going on first dates and you're just like, I have the best time on first dates, you're doing it wrong. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're not asking enough questions or you're just like deciding you like people too quickly. You're not supposed to be compatible with that many people. Like, you are meeting a new person. You know, that, you know, even if you have the gift for the gab, like, you know, yeah, it's like you can have fun if you change perspective. I'm

I get to meet someone new. I get to learn an interesting story about someone. I don't know if we're going to be compatible. But if you go in that way, yeah, it can be fun. But you do have to treat it more like an interview. If your goal is to successfully date and if you're looking for like a committed relationship, you know, if you're just like a fuck boy or a fuck girl and you're just kind of, and that's fine if you are.

If you're kind of in that stage of your life, then it might be a little bit more easier to have fun if you find like-minded people. If you're like going to Zoom, you're like, hey, like, honestly, I'm just, I'm just looking to have some sex. And they're like, yeah, me too. You're like, great. Let's just go. Well, like, we'll mini-golf to like make sure like we're not totally, you know, just, you know. And so, but yeah, I just think if you just have a more honest approach about dating and relationships and you can be more successful, more fun. And yes, you should treat it like an interview. You should ask questions. You should get to know them. You should see if they're worth your time. And low expectations, I feel like really, I agree with you, is my way of life. And even when I went to therapy and she a lot of times wanted to work on it, I was like, listen, I actually don't want to work on it because it works for me. Like I always hate making plans.

I'm always like, I don't want to go. It's going to be the worst thing ever. And then I go and I'm like, woohoo. You know? And if I hated it, I knew I was going to hate it. And if I like it, it's a huge surprise to me. Yeah. I mean, listen, if it's working for you, great. I mean, for most people, I would say, like, don't go in thinking it's going to suck. Just go in being okay with either thing. Like, be realistic about the type of fun you might have and be open to anything happening. But again, like with something like a first date, like, that's why people get fatigued and discouraged because they go in thinking somehow a first date is supposed to be always like fun and magical. You're meeting a fucking. stranger. And you're essentially trying to decide if there's any chance of you wanting to be

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That is ReliefBand.com and use promo code not skinny to get 20% off plus free shipping. And don't forget, you guys, 30-day, basically trial period. Nick, did you have, so speaking of sliding into DMs, like we know about your seasons and who you've been with, did you get a lot of girls from other seasons sliding into your DMs? Like, did you get a lot of girls from Bachelor nation wanting to kind of influence or couple it up with you?

Uh, sure. Not an overwhelming amount. Um, but yeah, sure. I mean, it was probably more so since I was the bachelor, but not as much any, certainly not, you know, I've, a girlfriend now, but, um, I just kind of, like after Vanessa and I broke up, I just made a conscious decision to not associate, not, not in any way, shape or form romantically or otherwise, uh, be involved with anyone from batonation. It would, I was very, like, and so people would, would hang, some people would hang out and be like, oh, we should, I think we should get together. And I'm like, listen, you seem great. But like, I literally, I don't, don't, I don't, I don't, you know, date anyone in bachelor nation. And again, I would, if it, if I met someone who I legitimately thought that we could legitimately date, then I would have reconsidered. But I wasn't going to, like, have some sort of hookup or just go on a casual date or anything like that. And so, yeah,

but that, not, it doesn't really happen anymore, obviously, with, with, with, uh, people knowing I have a girlfriend. And you were linked to like celebs, celebs. You were linked to January Jones. Yeah. I mean, Rachel Bilsen. Well, January and I ended dated for a few months. Rachel has always and only ever been a friend. Yeah, I don't, I don't know who else I was linked to. Yeah. I mean, those are two big ones. So do you think Natalie and you are going to get married? Well, I mean, I wouldn't be in a relationship with her if I didn't think it was possible, you know. And I say that as someone who's been essentially she's the first person I've called my girlfriend and, you know, minus TV in a long, long time. And that's because I just, I think when you get older, you're just a lot less willing to just

want to call each other boyfriend. You know, you're just a little more particular. And that's just because, yeah, I think you're just more mindful of what you're looking for. So, yeah, for me, personally, it was a pretty big step to want to call her my girlfriend. So I would say, that, you know, that's a good sign if... I would say that scratch his head, like, gets fidgety. No, but you seem from like Instagram, I mean, I know it's not real life, but you seem giddy about it and you seem really in love and like excited about, excited about how long, how long have you been together?

Well, we kind of unofficially celebrated our one-year anniversary last week. We've, it'll, it'll, it'll, I will have known her for two years. this September, but... Right, you posted something about the Williamsburg Hotel and me with my... I was like, wait, because you were like, where we first met? Did you meet in New York? Yeah, I mean, she was living in Georgia time. And so after she DM me, we talked for a couple weeks and we both happened to be in New York and we met at the hotel.

Oh. Oh. Sounds interesting. Well, you guys look gorgeous. It sounds like the way Kelly and Pilot Pete had that hotel rendezvous.

Oh yeah, the wedding run in. Yeah. And we just saw each other in the hotel lobby and passed right by. Ours was a little more orchestrated. But yeah, no, I'm very, she legitimately

is someone who seems too good to be true. So, yeah, she's a surgical. tech that's like unbelievably good looking Yeah, I know it's Yeah, it's almost Yeah, it does seem

It does seem unreal So I'm happy for you Okay, so Katie's season How are you feeling? Like do you talk like you are The way you recap the batch Are you ever, do you ever have negative feelings towards it

Or are you like a lover of the franchise And you're always kind of No, you do criticize, you do You speak your truth I try to be I honestly try to give a the most honest interpretation

of the show like as someone who's been on the show and knows things obviously have a relationship with the show but I do try to be objective like you know I'm not trying to sit there and break down every little behind the scenes and

talk about how things are edited but I certainly acknowledge that there is an edit and some things that aren't shown and things like that and I've been critical of the show and I can be critical, certainly of cast, but I just try to offer the most honest and fair critique of what I see based off of all the things I know, having, you know, kind of played every single character there is to play on that show and having a pretty intimate

understanding of the production standpoint, which, you know, quite frankly, if you're not the lead, it's, I thought I knew a lot until I was the lead. And then you realize just, you know, all the nuances that go into making the show and things like that. And so, you know, I just try to offer an honest critique of, you know, the dynamics, both from a production standpoint, what people might be thinking. I'm also like, I'm not involved in terms of I don't really have relationship with cast people anymore. Like for a while, it was harder because I would know so many people and I would be talking

about friends. But, you know, now I'm just kind of talking about characters or, you know, people I don't really know. And so, yeah, I just, I try to, you know, break it down in a fun, kind of thoughtful way. And I certainly, like, as someone who's been on both sides, I try to just, there's always another point to consider or a point of view. And there is a mob mentality in that show. And I do sometimes find it comical how some of the bachelor fan diehards will be so kind of, like, weirdly.

I want to say earnest, but I don't know if that's the right word, but it just take it very seriously and literal. Some of the silly rules that go into like The Bachelor, like fantasy suites and group dates and roses. And I try to kind of point out, you know, that it is a show and things like that. Yeah, no, you have funny tweets. I remember when you put up, because I talked a lot about Lake Necki, It was so funny to me. It was brutal. And then when Nima Kolan, Matt James' season, he rides up and like, I don't know, was it like a Mercedes and he had that huge, you know, lodge to himself.

And Lakeinta was just so sad. And you put up a funny tweet about that. So, yeah, no, I know that you're very honest about. For me, it's like hard. And I know people probably think I'm inconsistent because literally some episodes, I'll feel like it's such a phone show. like I'll just be on my phone the entire time and I'll look up here and there sometimes you're like ooh did they just get good

and a lot of times it's like well if it is a show and it is so produced then how about we like take all the entertaining stuff like I just wish that they would get that like we don't need the same like expose every season like we don't need the guy you know the guy

hating on the guy and telling the girl and then like the one guy that everyone hates and then it's like the same kind of like beginning middle end like we don't need that like I enjoy the most seeing like the the actual relationships happening I don't care about like the dude stuff or the drama um yeah I mean I think different people watch it for different reasons I I think for the most part it needs it all because you know I think it would just get boring if it was just just a very sincere kind of... Well, like, Bachelor in Paradise vibes.

Like, I want to see, like, people hooking up and, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I personally enjoy Bachelor in Paradise as a fan at the most. Yeah. Because, well, it's weirdly a little bit more realistic. Mm-hmm. But, yeah. Weirdly, yeah. Yeah.

But, yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know. I mean, that's, it's, yeah, sometimes. I probably wouldn't watch it if I didn't cover it. Yeah, same. But I have this thing inside of me that's like, you must watch, you must know exactly what's going on all the freaking time. Listen, there are harder watches on TV, you know? And it's one of those things that like I may not have chosen to watch it

because I just generally don't watch a lot of reality TV. But every time I sit down and watch it, I get into it. And like, yeah, sometimes you zone out sometimes or whatever. But I've been enjoying this season. It's been compelling. I mean, they've certainly tugged in the heartstrings with some of their music and they have some good characters and...

Katie's so good. Do you feel like she's a good bachelor's? I think overall she's good. I mean, she's honest, right? She speaks up and I think that makes an entertaining bachelorette. I think yeah, I mean, I think for the most part, I think she's been really good. I haven't agreed with all her decisions, but that's fine. That's just my opinion.

what like sending Andrew home no I don't care about that because as someone who's been in her shoes like she doesn't get to decide what's aired or the connections and I'm sure she thinks Andrew's a swell guy but like it's not her guy right

and this is about fighting her guy so it gets a little annoying and you get defensive as the lead of people who like watch a show be like you should be with this person and you're like yeah they're nice but like not a fucking chance, you know, type of thing. I think I told this. She was a little hard on Thomas.

And I know Thomas wasn't like my favorite guy and I thought he was definitely full of shit. But I think sometimes Katie's a big fan of the show and she's acknowledged this. And I think she's watched a lot of Bachelor Bachelorette. And like sometimes it's more like I'm watching a girl who's seen a lot of the Bachelorette do her version of The Bachelorette, if you know what I mean. oh you're talking about the dramatic like step back yes yeah stop that right like yeah yeah that was a moment yeah but but he was he was fault he was faulted for basically being a super fan of the show and wanting to like that's the funny thing about watching it and you were saying before the theme of are you here for the right reasons has been kind of like a forever theme and

it is funny and i think i've heard you talk about this before like you i mean even if i was the bachelor and I would go into it with the biggest ego and like okay everyone will be in love with me I would still know like but every like every single person is not only coming for that so like you must have to like know that but I guess there's kind of like a what like a like a like a spectrum of how much are you here for the wrong reasons versus the right reasons yeah I mean I do think it's for the leads now it's again a legitimate concern like Before, you know, it's you. And so, yeah, I can see why Katie might be on guard about that because it's, it's just, it's a reality these days. But overall, yeah, I think she's been entertaining because she's been, she is not afraid to say what she's thinking. And she's not, what Katie is not worried about is playing it safe at the risk of having any critics. And I think that's made for really good TV. yeah and I think she is like commands the room a lot better than I thought she would

like she is taking charge like from the beginning she walks in she knows what she wants she like knows how to handle a room full of these dudes so what do you think about the guys left we have Greg Justin Blake and and Michael A do you have a fave well what don't we so what do you mean like I guess that this all seem nice do you want me to like predict like what are my predictions What do you think? Oh, they all seem nice. That's your take on them? Yeah, I mean, listen, I think they're all seem all right.

I don't, I've said this on my podcast. I don't necessarily, like, I think I tweeted something they mentioned on my podcast that Greg is Thomas just with better execution. I mean, we did find out that he went to like acting school. Well, I will say, I always find it hysterical when rumors like that. come out and the internet is just in a frenzy it's just like he he took an acting class like he's not like he's not merrill streep all of a sudden you know what i'm saying like and then like there's this i heard it's like i saw something where he's just like well he tried to get on hannah

brown's season listen half the people in every season uh first applied for when you know a year before i mean i my friends signed me up and didn't tell me and And I got a call nine months later. And I was like, what? And my friend's like, oh, yeah, we signed you up like nine months ago. You know? And so for the people who signed themselves up, you know, when they see that like, hey, if you know anyone who could date our next bat charrette, Michelle, then some guy like signs up.

Sometimes it gets lost in the thousands of applications they get. And they, you know, maybe they had a crush on Michelle and they get a call. And then their next bat shred is, I don't know, whoever. They're still saying yes to the opportunity. opportunity. You know what I'm saying? But also, they don't always tell you who it's going to be. A lot of the time the promos are. They almost never know, right? So when the guys come and say, I came here for you, it's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. Yeah. But they know that. So why don't they tell them like, no, you didn't. You didn't know it was going to be the Bachelorette. Because, I don't know. That's how they make good TV. So I think the, I think the, I think Greg taking an acting class is silly. Now on the flip side, me personally, I don't think Greg likes Katie. You know what I'm saying? And I don't necessarily fault Greg.

Maybe it depends. You know what I'm saying? It's a pressure-packed environment that is designed to make you feel things at a level that you might not normally feel. So like we know, like, for example, Greg bonded with Katie over the death of their fathers. I don't know what that's like, you know, thankfully, knock on wood. but I can imagine that being an incredible bonding experience, right? And in an environment designed to elicit the maximum amount of emotion. And then you see Katie checking in with Greg, and Katie clearly likes Greg.

So, like, what I'm saying is I think Greg is getting caught up in, you know, being on the bat charret, and I just don't see the connection. And when I made a joke about, like, Greg and Thomas being the same, Greg has better execution. say that very much jokingly, because I'm sure Thomas is an all right guy. I'm sure Greg's a great guy. And, you know, if Greg leaves, Katie, it'll be interesting because I think a lot of people are predicting that. That's my, that's my guess. Katie was on my podcast and said she got her heart broken. And I don't think there's anyone there who could break her heart other than Greg. So, and I think if if she does leave, it'll be interesting because like Katie, you know, she went after Thomas really hard and like yeah he said he thought about being the bachelor one day i don't it didn't

seem and so it'll be interesting because if gregg breaks up with katy which let's be honest is a normal thing greg has a right to not be into katy he has a right that doesn't happen a lot though right no where where yeah but you watch right like gregg they're sending it up so that if Greg breaks up with Katie, that he will look like a bit of a villain in the sense that like she's been asking him. I think there's a way Greg can easily get out of it and he's a fan favorite. But what will be interesting is that if we're all right and who knows, maybe she ends up with Greg, they're just very, they're very much setting it up that she doesn't. It'll be interesting how Katie approaches that after the final rose. Her history, I mean, what she's shown

us is that she's going to go after Greg. Now, I don't necessarily agree with that. I, uh, I don't know if she really should. But what she's shown is that she might. But also we don't know how it went down and if it did go down that way. Like if Greg does break up with her, is he an asshole? Is he a dick? Or is he just like, you've been asking me this whole time. You've been checking in.

And I realize that maybe I'm not falling you the way I want. Maybe I wanted to fall for you, but I'm just not. Like I'm not ready to get engaged. And I don't, I can't say I love you. so maybe that's a sign I should leave. And you know what I'm saying? Like, it will be very interesting. And I'm really, I'm really, if I, to be honest, I'm kind of hoping that happens because I think

that will be the most interesting. Yeah, you convinced me. You convinced me. I think that'll be the, I mean, that will be the most talked about thing if it does, right? And then how does that break up happen? How does Katie feel about it? How does she respond to it? And Katie said that this season ends very unconventionally.

So it sounds like there's a lot more drama left to play. out and AFR is always the most, it's always very compelling because it's that there's always a lot of fallout to kind of work through. And so we will see. And I'm really interested to see how Katie handles that. I wonder if she might overplay our hand. I wonder if she, I feel like she'll end up with Blake. I don't see, I agree with you that Greg definitely seems like her fave. I think her and Blake have really good banter. And then Justin and Michael A, I feel like there both, they both seem great, but they don't seem like they're vibing that. Yeah, I mean, they haven't showed any connection with Justin whatsoever.

So if, if there's, you know, there's a lot of conversations that happen we don't get to see. But, you know, I don't know if it's true, but I made a joke that Katie, and I respected if it's true. I mean, Katie's been very sex positive. She's been very open. She made a joke on my podcast that she's like, she kind of wanted to bring Thomas to the fantasy suite. And it's kind of like, maybe she's just like, listen, I'm going to pick. Greg. And I have two people to have sex with before I get married that are not Greg. And I got get out of jail free card. And so like, honestly, like Andrew's nice, but I'd rather see Justin naked. And if that's if that's what she did, like good for her. It's, I think it's hysterical

if the bachelor said that he'd be crucified. I never thought about fantasy sweets like that. That's genius. Honestly, I haven't either. But I think Katie might. I could be, I could be wrong. But But based on what we've seen, we've seen like literally no conversations between the two of them. Yeah, I know. I was literally trying to remember today. I was like, Justin, Justin. Like, I know I've made, like, his eye. He has an interesting, like, facial expression. But I don't remember him. His reactions are great. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's what you remember of Justin. Like, you don't remember anything else. And he can draw a flower. That's literally it. You know what I was thinking, Nick? And this is, um, kind of my final question to you. Do you use, like since you've been on the show for so many years, do you find yourself using that terminology in real life? Like when you and Natalie got serious, were you like, I think I'm falling in love with you. And then you were like, no, definitely now

in love with you. Like, were you doing that? Or is that? No. I used to make fun of it when I was the bachelor. Oh, really? I don't remember that. Well, that wasn't aired. But I, oh, okay. I'd be like, am I falling in love yet or like... Am I still, yeah. I'm always... So that's what I mean. You know, there's like, I think I'm falling. I think I'm falling.

I'm falling. I'm falling. I want to. I want to fall. I'm not there yet. I want to fall. Like none of that matters. It's a tool.

It's a tool. You know, you can say, you can say... How does everyone know that? What do you mean? You know, I think people, I think normally people do that in life because, because they're bad communicators and afraid of disappointment. It's a way to tip your toes in the water. Even in real life, think about it.

Let's say you're like falling for someone. You really like them. You want to say the L word, but you're just like, I'm not entirely sure how they feel. So you're just like, I think I'm, I think I'm like on my way to falling in.

So IRL, you don't talk like that. Yeah, absolutely not. No. I probably did when I was 22, you know. I don't. anymore. Yeah. But yeah, I think people are very afraid to be rejected and not hear what they want.

So it's a kind of a way to dip your toe in the water and save. Right. Because it's not like, I love you. Right. And then so if you don't get the response you get, you're like, oh, okay. Well, thank God I'm only falling. You know, like I'll just, I'll just pull on the parachute and no worries. Yeah.

And then when someone like a year later says like, how many people are you told you love, that person's not on your list right so i think that's in a in a real world situation i think that's the motivation but yeah i'm i'm i've graduated past that language long before i was on the bachelor well nick thank you for being here uh real pleasure thank you for having me everyone go follow nick listen to the vile files i loved i specifically loved your episode with deanie babies oh yeah it was a good one uh so you guys check it out he has a lot of great guests and anything else exciting coming up, Nick? No, I guess just the podcast.

I mean, that's exciting for me. But, yeah, nothing else I need to promote. No book. No book. The book is, the book's been being written. Oh, see? I had a feeling. Yeah.

I had a feeling. It's just, it's questions with Nick and a coffee table. You know, it's. Oh, I love that. So it's just kind of, it'll be a lot of relationship have been dating kind of, you know, snarky. It's just more of an honest way to look at dating, you know, so that you can, you know, so like when your friend breaks up, gets broken up with and you can't bear to listen to them.

Why? And you've, you've, and you just hand them the book and be like, just, you know, here's what you won't let me say to you. So read this. That's really what my, yeah, what my questions with Nick is. I'm just the, does anybody ever DM you? you like something wild like I listen to your advice every day my husband and I'm now a lesbian well I don't know if I I mean I get crazy stories but I do I get now I mean I guess I'm thankful for it but I get you know 20 30 questions a day of of or an hour I get stopped in the street and people will ask me to help them in their relationships so I guess that's good well listen for

someone that was, you know, called conceited or full of himself, you're out there answering questions about other people and not about yourself. So that's, you know, I'm like, so me, me, me, me, me, me. And you're answering about other people. So that just shows that, you know, you're not what people used to say that you. I mean, you know, people are going to. You're just giving back. You're just giving back. I think, uh, all I hope is that people care. And so if you want to disagree with me or call me. Just as long as I trigger you, I'm doing my job. You know, you just want people to care. Thanks again for being here. You're the best. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a ton of fun. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of

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