Not Skinny But Not Fat - NSBNF x @girlwithnojob: The Collab You’ve All Been Waiting For?

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

A girl with no job, turned Meme queen, podcastress and NYT best selling author, Claudia Oshry tells us all about the evolution of GWNJ, and we talk KRAVIS, The Kardashians Hulu deal- what can we expect? The friends reunion- is it Cheugy? And how she’s a self proclaimed Zellenial. Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You could just call me a podcaster, comedian, and New York Times bestselling author. Okay. And Mimer. Oh, yeah, that too. Okay. Claudia Osri, I'm sure you guys know her from great. with no job from her New York Times bestselling book from the morning toast from her private account Claudia Oshry from from everywhere I mean I'm sure you know where Claudia it's been like

when we popped up on the Zoom after I accidentally emailed the Zoom link to my therapist from 10 years ago Claudia at Hotmail and like she's going to be really confused um and I hope she joins She'd be like, is everything okay? Are you still having panic attacks? I'll be like, yeah. Emergency session. But when you popped up, I was like, when you like know people from this world but never met them, don't you feel like, oh, yeah, hi? It just feels weird because, like, I know everything about you.

Like, I know you're a husband and your baby and I know you're a cravis, like, Stan. So I just feel like it's, it doesn't feel like we're meeting for the first time, but we really are. But we really are. And like, you, I'm going to, I'm going to say something like for me embarrassing, but like, I don't care is like, like when I people that was asked probably they ask you to like advice how did you start right like how did you get going and like Claudia I'll speak on your behalf because I know you're really modest and you don't like speaking about incredibly humble you were one of the like pioneers of meme accounts right you were one of the first big four big five like you had this idea genius idea

you were like what 20 when you I was 18 I was in college I just started NYU as a freshman That's so annoying. I know. And you literally started this blog, Girl With No Job, right? Because you hated your internship or something? Yes, I went to NYU and I went to like a Jewish day school in the city. So it was dual curriculum. It was like 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. really rigorous, like a lot for like a teenager.

And when I got to high, when I got to college, I had like one class a day. It was this huge shift for me. And the first couple weeks I was like living for the free time. I gained so much weight. I was just like eating and like partying. And that lifestyle like does get very boring very quickly, especially at NYU where everyone is like on the fast track to their careers. Like people in orientation have jobs lined up.

They know exactly what they want to do. And I was just kind of like running around with my head cut off, had no idea what I wanted to do. And by that second semester, I was like I should, that's why I went to NYU with everyone there. It's not really like a party school. You're there to really get in, get out, get a job, do internships. It's like very career focus.

So I got an internship. at my second semester of freshman year. And that's when I started my blog called Girl with the Job. And it was just like a funny little like blog I used to write about the overall trials and tribulations of being an unpaid intern in Manhattan, a chubby unpaid intern in Manhattan who works in fashion. Oh, you were doing it in fashion. I know, which is so weird because I'm like not fashionable.

I like wear the same thing every day. Wait, Claudia, go back for one second, even though like I just personally want to know your life story. I'm sure other people do too. even though we have to talk about, like, pop culture, celebs stuff. But I need to know. Okay, so you went to high school in the city, too? Mm-hmm.

So what high school was at? Ramaz, upper school. Oh, of course. I know Ramaz. I mean, I'm from the city, too, babe. Some say it's the number one yeshiva in the country. Some say that. Some say that.

I went to Beacon. Do you know Beacon? Oh, my God. I didn't know you grew up in the city. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And that's weird, though, because usually people that grow up in the city, I feel like about

myself, like, I wanted the college experience and, like, grass and dorms. And you grew up in the city, but still wanted to stay in the city for college? I didn't really have a choice. I, like, grew up in, like, a strict household, you know? And NYU was a great school. And I didn't, like, I didn't have that much desire to go to, like, Michigan. So I never really fought for it. You know, I just was like, all right, I have to go to school in the city. I'm not getting into Columbia. And I applied to NYU and Brooke. And I got into NYU. Oh, okay. And what did you go for? So I actually was a physics major my first year. Yeah. And that was dark for me because I loved high school physics. It was like, I was really good at it. And I wasn't super smart. And nothing came

naturally to me. I wasn't one of those kids who was just like naturally smart, like didn't study for tests, but happened to get a 95. Like that was never my life. So I was like, you know what? Maybe I like have this thing for physics. And when I got to my first day of like the physics class, I realized high school physics does not prepare you for college physics. And it was a really, really hard semester. And once I started blogging and I was like loving it and I wasn't having a lot of success yet, but I was just like, I felt very fulfilled by it. I was like, maybe I should switch my major to media and communications, which is what I did after that first semester. I'm a millennial so I know how to use the internet, but I'm not very like code computer science, like geeky like

that. I was just trying out all the platforms because they were all free. So people always ask me like, how much capital did you raise to launch your business? I'm like, I literally borrowed $30 for my to pay for WordPress, like, that's it. Wait, but you, was that when Instagram was just pictures? So Instagram was just pictures didn't have the text, didn't have any. People were just sharing, like, me, hashtag, selfie. Yeah, like 2012, Instagram was like kind of starting to become a thing, mostly for people just to, like, share photos of them and their friends.

And I remember seeing two brands. I remember seeing man repeller and nasty gal both. bring their brands and, like, give their brand an Instagram page. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And I just did that for my blog, which I changed the name once I got fired to girl with no job. And I started, like, playing around, posting funny, like, celebrity pictures, like, and then I was just having so much more success on Instagram and it was happening so much

faster that I didn't even feel the need to blog anymore because it was, no one was reading the blog. It was not even successful. And it took way more time to do. So I eventually, like, let the blog go and start. started investing more in like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, and then eventually just Instagram. And did people see you from the beginning? Like, you weren't anonymous or you were? No, I wasn't anonymous, but I wasn't posting pictures of myself. And I really attribute,

there's like a few things that I attribute because what I, what I do is like not revolutionary. I think I got very lucky being on Instagram so early. My timing really, really helped me. Because people wake up every day and they want to start an Instagram account. And it's oversaturated. And some people have success with that. But I think being on Instagram from 2012 or 2013 was huge for me. Huge. I think also my name of my handle, Girl With No Job,

is just funny and it attracts people. And then the third thing is Snapchat. Snapchat was huge for me. So I had like half a million followers on Instagram. And it like bummed me out that like I wasn't the face of it because I'm a fucking narcissist. And everyone needs to know how beautiful and stunning I am. And I made an Instagram account for Girl With No Job.

And that was all me. And that really catapult. Like my Snapchat was super popular, and that really helped me put a face to my brand. Because Snapchat had stories, people, if you don't remember, stories started on Snapchat before Instagram had stories. And then I was like freaking out when Instagram stole stories because I'm like, oh my God, I know my successful Snapchat, Snapchat's going to become irrelevant. But when actually Instagram bringing on the stories feature was like the best thing that

ever happened to me because then it combined the brand I had. built on Instagram, which wasn't really about me. And the brand I'd built on Snapchat, which was all about me and my dog and my husband. And it converged it too. And it was like this beautiful cacophony of branding. Beautiful cacophony. I love it. But I feel, I use that word correctly. I don't care. It's attract them. Huzzah. I said, hudzo. Okay, you guys know, I try to eat clean. I try to be like a clean beauty girl. I try to be Courtney Kardashian. But I'm not always like a hondo. I also share with you guys my fault. I share with you guys when I have like a soda that isn't so good for you, but I swear to God

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No, but I'm not. I'm like, and I think I said this somewhere that I went on a podcast, like, when I started showing my face, so many people were like, ew. And like, and I see like my unfollow. Like, oh, ew, like I'm following a meme. Why? Who's this blonde chick popping up trying to like be cute, you know? But I didn't care because it was just the beginning. And, you know, I was like, oh, I want people that are here to like both things.

Yeah, of course. So it's nice that you did such a good job of like. combining everything and whoever is there will enjoy the memes will enjoy Theo will enjoy your husband will enjoy your family or they can leave but yeah that the really aside from like your talent and everything that you have is like timing in life is such an important thing and like I remember when I started it was like you realized it before it was like a thing I think I got to the U.S. in like 2015 and I saw memes. for the first time.

Like, we were just following friends and, like, doing hashtag selfie, hashtag beach. Like, literally, instant photo. And I was like, oh, my God, people are writing things on Instagram. Like, I write, like, I think I could do that too. And of course, like, it's so different. And I remember, listen, you guys, this is a true story. When you start, like, Claudia is a memeer, right? So she would, like, post memes.

And there had happened. If you look back at our messages, like, I'm such a fucking loser. because an Instagram somehow deleted our messages so even when we started DM me I couldn't see which I'm glad I couldn't and don't go back

because you're going to think I'm such a loser so I'm going. But I probably was like can you please tag me in the caption of the photo? Thank you. Right?

Yeah. It was like the wild wild west right in the early 2010s because all this content was floating around on social media and there was really very few ways to originate where it came from

because it would be on Twitter but that was taken from a Pinterest meme And I think now it's like it's much more standardized. And I think a lot of people, like that issue is gone. But for many years, it was just like wild. And you would make content. Other people would steal it.

You would post something thinking that you took it from the direct source, but it was actually stolen from someone else. Like it was this crazy. There were no rules. There were no rules. And and right. And like a big page reposting, you know, a smaller page's meme or something they wrote was like a, was like a big break.

today I feel like yeah don't you feel like today it's a little bit less like I can it doesn't carry as much weight it doesn't people aren't like oh who wrote this like hilarious thing let me go and follow them no because you know you can get it anywhere you know it's gonna you know like their cameras and microphones in your room and it's going to pop up on your explore page the next day but I feel like then it was like oh my god people will just click my name and yeah that's it like you know I'm made yeah so now I think people are just having to be more

creative with how to grow because the ways that we we got used to for so long, Instagram changing the algorithm and just people's behaviors online changing. That doesn't really work anymore. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, and maybe you don't agree with me because I think you're more businessy than I am, even though you're like 100 years younger than me. No, Amanda, you look so young. We're probably the same age. No, you are so stunning and young and like so fresh. What are 16? What, Gen Z? So like, do you feel, because you were saying when people ask, you like the capital yes you have a story which you probably told a million times you were interviewed for a million places but like when it was happening were you thinking about this like

bam bam bam i'm gonna do this i'm gonna grow i'm gonna get followers i'm gonna hashtag i'm gonna do snapchat and then or were you just like being yourself and it worked kind of like is now i think i look at most of like my business decisions as what will this do what are the pros and cons what does this do for the long run will it bring in revenue but when i was starting and I also feel like this is why I've been able to grow an audience is because in 2012, you couldn't have a full-time job as an influencer. So I was really doing this for fun. And maybe for like a little clout, people at parties would be like, oh, that's the girl with

100,000 followers. Like, I didn't think it was anything serious. And when I first made money on like an ad campaign with Burger King when I was like a sophomore, it was like, it just, it had never even occurred to me. So it was groundbreaking for me. And I was like, oh, my God, I have to do more of this. So by the time I graduate, like, I'm making a lot of money and I don't have to like get a job. That's genius. And it's so crazy how today, was there even the word influencer then?

No, it was like the closest thing was maybe like a YouTuber. There was YouTuber before Instagram influencer? Yes. Do you consider yourself an influencer now? I don't know. I feel like the word influencer has such a negative connotation. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of things. Like I consider myself a comedian, a podcaster, an influencer, an author now. I don't know. I have many labels and whatever you want to call me. If you're talking about me, I'm cool with it. Like, I don't really care. Like, why isn't there like Instagrammer? That, that does exist. Do you think? Yeah. What do you call yourself? Podcast? I don't know. No. I don't know. Sometimes I get offended. I'm like, I'm not just a podcaster, but I don't know. I don't know.

Right. I'm a digital personality. Hmm. Did you ever change your bio to public person or do only people that aren't public people? Do you remember? You know? Yes. Whatever you were about to say, I agree. It's always the, like, someone from high school who changes their, um, their category to like public personality. Like, I have it set so like your, your category doesn't show. Oh, me too.

Oh, my God. See, we're so indecisive about our categories. So there are a few types of people. The people that hide their category, the people that call themselves public personalities, even though they're not. And the third types of people that think they're so funny, which maybe you're one of them and I'm not going to make fun of you right now

because I can't remember is like you call yourself something else like scientist. Is that what we're doing? Oh, that's so lame. Except I do think maybe at one point in my life I did put model, but that's like a funny joke.

Yeah. What is it? So now it's nothing? Now I don't have a category on my page because I have, I'm going through an identity crisis. Like they don't have multifaceted digital personality

as one of the options. Right. Oh my God. I love, I love it. I love about you and I think so many people relate to you is that, like, you have so much confidence in just who you are. And I think people like to see that.

You know what I mean? At the end of the day, with the memes, without the memes, I think people like to see people that are confident in who they are and that are not curated. I feel like the time on Instagram, you're welcome, you guys, for this, like, seminar, is, like, not the curated Kaylyn Miller Keys from The Bachelor, all the same colors. and, like, perfect, like, images.

That was a tough time for me because I'm the opposite of that. I'm messy. I'm disgusting. I, like, have a wedgy in all my pictures and there's, like, trash in the background of my house. And, like, if I'm standing in my bedroom, you'll see my toilet. Like, I'm the opposite of curated. And so when that was the, like, vibe and all these people were getting millions of followers

because they had, like, good flow and they had presets and it was all, like, this orangey tint. I was like, I am going to fail. I don't have to go to, like, law school because this life is not for me. No, like actually, though, actually. So you guys, we're all starting out, that's not the vibe anymore, just, you know. Yeah, that's very chugy. It's, oh, here we go.

So your identity crisis, which if you follow, uh, dwenge, which like, that's what I want, dwenge. That's like the live. I mean, people call it guunge, but you're Israeli, so I guess you have like, junge. Shut the fuck up. I've been saying it wrong in my head. It's not dwind. There's no right way to say it.

It's an acronym. How do people say it? Guunge. I hate that. That's okay. Let's change it. I like how you said it. I like how you said it.

Duend. Duend. Duend. It's like French. I'm Emily and Paris. You guys, don't you need a thousand gazillion like caffeine's day and pick me up and just there's another slump and another slump. Oh, just me.

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and reality TV come? Naturally, did it come because you were like, oh, I like this. Maybe you guys will like this too kind of vibe. Yeah, I've always been like a huge pop culture fan, huge reality TV watcher. And so when I was blowing up on Instagram, a lot of my content, both in my feed and in my stories, was like making fun of Vanderpump Rules and The Bachelor. And it was just like easy content.

And it was so good for my growth. Like, because that's universal. People my age who follow me, we have the same interest. So they're looking for more content about The Bachelor. I used to recap it on the blog. So it was like an easy thing for me. One, because it came naturally to me. I really authentically love reality TV, love pop culture, obsessed with celebrities.

And then it was good for my business. So I'm like, let's do more. I started watching more reality TV. And then with podcasting, I started my first podcast, Girl with a Podcast, like, I'm so not creative, like, years ago. And I was just, like, talk and, like, you know, it wasn't very good. It was hard to host a podcast alone with no guests. But I did my best, and it was, like, fine or whatever. But then I was like, I think we need, like, a rebrand, you know?

And I started my podcast with my sister, which was just from the bat so much better. Like, we have better energy. It's so much easier to have a co-host, especially one who's your sister. So it's, like, very easy to work with family for me. And that kind of took everything to the next level because, again, we podcasts have been around for a while and they're super popular now. But we started in 2017, which was great. Because even back then, it was like, you don't have a podcast yet? Now everyone, and now it still feels that way. But we have four years under our belt now and it's just been really helpful at the time. Right. Right. So again, you feel like an early innovator. I try. Good for you. So we're, because, okay, what I want to say for dwind, I saw on your story that you're really struggling between am I a Gen Z? Am I a millennial?

Because you're technically a millennial. You secretly want to be Gen Z. Why do you want to be Gen Z? I don't want to be Gen Z. But I do feel like I'm not really a millennial because I'm born in 94 and I know that millennials end in like 95, right? Yeah. So I really feel like I'm on the cusp and then working in digital and just kind of being

like, you know, this like, you know, I have a young heart. I feel like I don't really deserve to have millennial, but I also don't feel like a Gen Z. I actually don't relate to Gen Z at all, even though I do have a middle part. But that's just more like, because I have a double chin. Maybe if I didn't,

I would wear my hair to the side. I don't know. Circumptuages would be different. You think? I do. I used to wear like a side part when I was like a kid. But maybe I don't think,

first of all, you don't have a double chin, but I don't think that has to do with it. I always feel fatter with the middle part. Like my face looks. I don't know. think every face is different. I really do. Okay. All face, no shame. No, I do. We're not changing faces. I would agree. Yeah. I'm looking at you now and you definitely look better with the side part.

Yeah. And I can show you my side part and you will tell me that I look better with the middle part. I think a shooosh, a shroop over that I'm doing. Why, you look good with a shrew? This is disgusting. Like, I look 97 years old. I'm not doing that. Okay. I want to just tell you that although I'd love you in my millennial group, I feel. I feel. like you're more Gen Z leaning, not because I don't relate to you, but because you are like, you're a little bit colorful. I saw some like things of color on your sweater. Look at all that color. Look at all that color. You have some, you're definitely a mix. Actually, you're definitely a mix. Yeah. So I've been just kind of finding solace in identifying as a Zillennial. We're a small, but powerful group. I love it. And I think that I've, I think I will flourish there. But I'll keep you

updated. I don't know, but I'm also very chuggy in a lot of ways. So what did you feel about that, though, when chugie came out? I don't know. I kind of loved it. And I think me loving it makes me chugie. Wait, it does make you chugie. Did you try to use it in real life talk? Of course. We say it on the podcast like, no, you don't. You do. And that makes us chugie, right? That makes you so too. Like, I think that it's, it's too gie to use chugie. Except like I get where it's useful. Like, today, somebody posted, well, Jackie Shimmel. Jackie Shimmel, if you guys know where, she posted something about like her flight

being delayed to Hawaii. So I DM'd her. I was like, how many people told you Kim, there are people that are dying? And she was like, oh my God, like a zillion. She's like, I think I'm going to start like a segment called that. And I was like, that's so chugie. So there are things that are so chugie. Like Kim, there are people that are dying. It's chugie, right? You know what else? I've come to discover is chuggy. and it's really upsetting because I like kind of grew up and my personality was like knows every word to mean girls. Like that was my whole aesthetic. And literally mean girls is so fucking chuggy.

And that's been really hard for me just to kind of internalize because I grew up and like I was like the Mean Girls Encyclopedia. Like never watch Mean Girls with me. I know every line from start to finish. I insert Mean Girls quotes and references into everyday dialogue. And I have come to the realization that that is extremely chugy. Okay, but you know what? Who said that chugie isn't a vibe?

No, so I think I'm really struggling. So either I need to like lean into the chuginess and be like, yeah, that's me, even though that's so chuggy. Or just like resist and become a zillennial. I don't know what I'm going to do. I think, well, the girl, the video that I'm thinking of, the girl that said chugie, which it might be chugie that we're talking about chughey. Like, it is really mind-blowing, like how careful you have to be.

but the girl that I posted had like a hoop nose ring and she's like my friends and I say Chugay and I was like I don't want to be like you like I don't it's not like I'm like oh my God the girl in the video was so cool and she was calling things Chuggy do you get what I'm saying like A hundred percent so maybe we're Chugs and it's fine we are and maybe that's okay if Friends is Chugie we're Chugie. Friends is Chuguey. Friends is so Chuguey. What did you think of the reunion trailer? Honestly I was very upset when they announced it that it wasn't going to be like a film scripted episode. It's like a, you know, they're all just getting together.

Well, it's technically a reunion. That's like more. It's not a reboot. It's not a reboot. It's what I mean. Yeah. But after watching the trailer, it did look really good. Like, I'm really excited.

I just love them. I know. We're going to, but like we're going to be a moche. Like, no matter what they give us, I feel like they'd give us like a fingernail and we'd be like, oh, my God, thank you. Even though. Yeah. Who is your favorite character from friends?

That's a good question. Phoebe. Oh, my God. Me too. And who's your second favorite? I have like a tie for first. Rachel. Ugh, ew.

Ross. Ross is your second? Ross is very controversial because either you absolutely love Ross or you think he's the most annoying person on the show and the show should have went on without him. Well, A, and there's people

that are still angry about Rachel getting off the plane. I mean, she's giving up her career for a man. I don't know if I would do that. Right. Mary Focke. Ross? No, but like today's. Today's. Oh, but their character or them personally? Oh, that's a good question. Okay. Because if I was in the show, there's literally no doubt that I would have married Ross. And I think this is very controversial. But first of all, like, he was the only one with his own apartment. Like, these were all 30 year olds. No, more. They were older than that. Like living in tiny apartments with roommates. And it's just like Ross was successful. He had a PhD and he had his own apartment. And he was Jewish. Like, how do people not see like how much of a catch Ross

was? Because he was a little annoying and emotional. But still. But can you see yourself like Frenching Ross? Like do you want Ross's tongue down your throat vibes? I mean he's not like hot. He's not right. Yeah. But there are other things besides hot. Yeah, you're smart. That's what I'm saying. You're very

businessy, Claudia Allis Street. You think you're not. That's what I'm saying. Everything is a business decision with you. Even who to weigh all the pros and cons. So Mary Ross, I'm assuming fuck Joey. Kill Chandler? no i honestly joey's like a little too stupid like no person is actually that dumb we're just fucking him if i'm playing in the let's take it to the 90s their true versions of themselves yeah yeah

i'm marrying ross joey probably has an STD i am killing joey and i'm fucking chambler he wasn't he wasn't that bad people were actually being kind of mean about the reunion articles were coming out that Matthew Perry in the promos was like slurring his words and like looking kind of out of it, which I tried to like watch. And I was like, I don't know if I would have caught that. I didn't notice anything bizarre. And I feel like he's been really open with his like journey to sobriety. So I didn't notice anything. But people just love to nitpick. I know people love, blah, blah, blah. But you know what I think. I think that what made me kind of sad is that, like, we always like to imagine, like, that it's, you know, in real life,

their best friends, like, which, like, we know the girls are, but Ross, see? Yes. Ross said something. David Joymer said that they haven't been in the same room in, like, a hundred years. Like, they haven't all hung out. Yeah. And a few years ago, there were, like, a lot of rumors that the reason why there hasn't been, like, a reboot or a reunion was because of Ross. Really? I think he's like, the odd man out. Well, he lives in New York. They all live in California. But, like, good for him. he was getting some roles. He was, you know, Robert Kardashian. OJ. Right. Honestly, seeing him play Robert Kardashian was such a culmination of, like, all my favorite thing. Oh, my God, when he was

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Let's own our shit right now, Claudia, because you're just going to own it. No, because I am so on top of my shit. What episode are you on of keeping up with the Kardashians? two weeks ago. I'm about to finish. They just told the crew that they're like done with the show. Oh, okay. So you have one more. No, so you have one more. One more. I did start three episodes back today. And actually, actually, Claudia, I was trying to remember before our episode today what the last episode was of the Kardashians. And I seriously couldn't because it's seriously as much as they're in my heart and soul and my best friends. I couldn't remember because it was so. blah because this whole season is like in this whole scene isn't it's kind of like we get it you're at the malibu house it's quarantine things are happening in and kind of around so the last episode which

you haven't watched yet because you're slacking is with norie's black book yes which i first of all i love that account so much and i love the kardashians for like acknowledging it not only like people don't know like it's been savage like i've actually posted like oh my god chloe liked this post by Norie's Blackbook because there are some posts that are very, very savage, which you would be, which I feel like we were surprised in the past that a Kardashian would like, but not only do they- The Dream Kardashian Hope Fund? Well, I miss that one.

Norie's Blackbook has this like, this joke that they have like a charity for Dream Kardashian. It's called Dream Kardashian Hope Fund because like Dream is, you know, probably like has like the smallest inheritance. I'm dead. She is so savage. Natalie, she is, didn't you feel like she was, she was more confident on that meeting

that I could ever pretend to be? I mean, she's for years been, in a lighthearted, fun way, been just like, annihilating the Kardashians and their kids. And I was actually shocked that like, I don't know if I would have the balls to like meet them.

I love that they think it's funny. And I think part of the reason why the Kardashians are so successful, one of the many reasons is because they've always been able to laugh at themselves. And so the fact they don't take offense to any of the stuff that she says, that makes me very happy. I don't know if I would, I could have done it.

Like literally, I'm just thinking, like me meeting them, like, as much as I try hard to like not die, like, there is no way I could have looked as cool as Natalie. She was like explaining her account. She was just like saying how she, what she's going to do with it. Like, it almost seemed like Kim and Chloe were like, uh-huh. Like they were more like, she was just stealing the show. She was so charismatic and so great. And it was great to see her being acknowledged.

And not only, like I'm saying, I would get so excited. I'd be like, Chloe liked that post from Norway's Blackbook. But like, not only did she like it, they were like, that's exactly North, which like, I don't know. It's like the whole meeting. I know you haven't watched it yet, dwind, but dwind, but literally they're like, that's North. No, you don't understand. That's North. No, you don't understand.

That's North. Like, literally not even like, oh, that's resembling of North. Like, they're like, that's North. It looks like, I'm scared of North. bit if she's like that's frightening like that's fucking north and it's so funny because at the end of their meeting kim like pulls north up on face time and it's like north meet natalie and like north has no fucking idea literally she pops up in the face time as like side eyeing her and is like not saying anything and they're like that's so north see there's very few things i'm afraid of

but i am afraid of north she's so much cooler than we could seriously ever be she's so cool I feel like she's probably like a little mean and she would like make fun of my chugie outfit, you know? She probably like uses chugie honestly. Yeah, she would hate us. So you said you're really into Kravis though. I am. I mean, I'm not going to lie.

It was and this is why it's like nerve-wracking for me because they were so hot and heavy for so long in the beginning that like you kind of get annoyed with them. So I'm not there yet, but like they're definitely like getting there. I think like sometimes people notice. things before I do by sometimes I mean a lot of times but I feel like I've been posting a lot about Cravis and at the beginning you could probably tell by my progression where I was like upset like yeah I was like dying I was like wanted to like be in a polygamous relationship with them

and I feel like without noticing now I'm like just like I'll be like Cravis at Disneyland you know like yeah like my emotions are getting kind of like less and less just because like you got to keep us kind of like wanting more and yeah like they fizzled out a little bit just because they were so hot and heavy and like it wasn't exciting anymore and now there's just like so much drama with shana and alabama and kim like did kim fuck travis and it's like it's been tainted you know it has been tainted because listen at the end of the day you guys this is what we know for sure we know for sure that Travis had a thing with paris hilton we know that at that time. Kim was Paris's closet girl. Yes, you guys, that's what she was or intern. I don't know

what she wants to call herself, but closet organized. I think she, yeah, I don't think she, that's a thing. She says, like, she wasn't doing, like, scheduling. She was literally organizing her closet. And, like, selling the stuff on eBay. Right. And Travis literally was quoted saying that Kim is, like eye candy, that her body is like more of his vibe and that she's nice to look at, but they never hooked up. So that's like noted, recorded. Could you as Courtney even hook up with him without being out there? Yeah, no, that's a good question. And it's very delicate because it definitely gives off some like incestual vibes. Even if they didn't do anything, which they might have, it just feels weird. But if this is the love of Courtney's life and like they're going to get

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saying, why is my kid dressing like that on Instagram live at 4 a. It's like a weird thing to even cover. The last thing I saw actually before we got on this podcast today was like, in style, no, one magazine. I forget which one. In touch. In touch.

Said that all of this is going to be on the new Hulu show. Do we buy it? Well, I feel like we've gotten very little direction from what is actually going to be on the Hulu show. Yeah. Is it just the same kind of. kind of format regurgitated on Hulu with a new name? Are they all getting their own show?

Like, what's going on? I think about this more than I will admit, and I would probably underestimate and say once a day. Yeah. Because, okay, to make it sound like, this is our last season ever of filming or last day ever filming and this, I'm filming, which like, okay, we could say the crew, E, whatever. Then we know about this new Hulu thing. And again, I told you I'm a factual-based person.

So I take what they give us as facts, which is we have a new partnership deal with Hulu. I didn't know. Does that mean they're going to produce stuff, but not be on air? But then they made it pretty clear with some tweets and some stuff that they're like filming. Like, what is the show? Is it just a family reality show? Because I could see them all having different shows. Like honestly, that drama with push like a couple weeks ago was kind of interesting. Like, okay, maybe give me like a like a very cavaliery type of push show. And then a Kim can really fill an entire show by herself with the law school and skims. There's actually so many interesting things going on. you know, we could get, I could do a whole show on Kylie Cosmetics.

Like, so what, what are we getting? Are we getting one more show that nobody wants to film and they're always fighting about who's going to film when? Or are we taking a whole other creative direction? That is such a good, that is such a good point. That is such a good point. Because lest we not forget, less we not forget, the whole reason that this show is ending is because in the last three seasons, Kim and Chloe have put the entire show on

their back. Kylie doesn't want to film. Kendall doesn't want to film. Courtney doesn't want to film. Chris is so fucking busy. like Scott and MJ are the star of the show. Like, it's so stupid. Scott and MJ are making omelets. Yeah, that's really part of the reason why they ended this show.

One, it really was time, but two, like nobody even wanted to do it anymore. So then why are you doing another show on Hulu? So I can't imagine it's going to be the same type of format because that would be stupid because that's literally why they ended the last show because like nobody wanted to do it. But now they want to do it. That is such a good point, drench, because that is such a good point because nobody wants a film with Chloe and Kim, just the last episode that you didn't watch, the Norie's Blackbook, like, they're doing it. They're like, who's Norie's backbook? The fucking bunkers. The bunker

episode. The bunker was so stupid. Oh, my God. The bunker. The bunker. I don't know. Oh, and Kristen and Chloe going to see UFOs. Like, please. So it's always, how do you, like, why is it Chloe and Kim that are willing to do this shit, do you think? That's what the whole fight was about last season. Like, they're the ones like literally putting it on their backs. They film every day. Nobody wants to open up about what's going on in their lives. Nobody even wants to commit to coming to film. So it's literally on Chloe to put together these dumb ass skits like going to look for UFOs.

And on Kim to go look, you know, on a bunker. Like it's so dumb. Can you imagine the, no, you guys, the bunker will go down in the Hall of Fame of like how crazy. And the thing is like everything they do, they do in such a like, so you guys know how obsessed I am with security. Right. They have to tie it in. Yeah.

So let's go check out bunkers. Oh, that's so dumb. But isn't it so funny? I don't remember who I was talking to about this, but it's like the confessionals, like Kendall will come on and like, okay,

we're in a podcast right now. You know, we're exerting energy. We're probably sweating a little bit, you know. For sure. You know, like you exert energy into things that you do.

And then you have Kendall Jenner, show up on the confessional screen, and exert zero. energy. Courtney also. I know, but you know. I know, but I can't talk about my babe. I know. And we're just like on different pages there. So why, what's our page? What's the page? What's the page? Tell me. Well, before Kravis, I really was having a lot of problems with Courtney, especially coming off of last season, where I really felt like she was not being a team player when it came to the show and it came to business. And as much as they are a family, they also operate a business together. And you have to be

able to support both parts of that. And I really felt like she wasn't carrying her weight. And she's just like kind of lame. Like she's just not my vibe. Then when she became one half of Kravis, I was like, oh, she might be on her way to being one of my favorite Kardashians. Because I just thought like it was such a transformative relationship for her. She looked so happy when she's clearly been like kind of Ms. for a few years. Personally, professionally, she was like going through stuff. Like when she was crying about turning 40, like she was having a breakdown. Like she was just going through a lot. So now, I'm just kind of struggling with how to, like, what box to put her in.

Because I don't, like, really dislike her anymore, but I'm not, like, obsessed with her. If you feel like Chloe is your favorite. No, Kim is my favorite. Okay, because you're businessy. See, it all ties up. Well, also, I just, I have a lot of respect for Kim. And the way she, like, handles most things. I think she's, like, super diplomatic and really smart. And she, like, do you remember when, oh, she did the Letterman interview? Mm-hmm. And I've always loved her. But this is just, like, one of the moments in my mind that, like, I really

whenever I'm, like, thinking about her, just how much respect I have for her. They were talking about everything from Paris to O.J. And David Letterman asked if he, if she thought OJ did it, which is like a crazy question to ask and she couldn't get out of it. And I thought her answer was just like so lovely. Oh, out of respect for his kids, she said. He's like, honestly, I still know his kids and I was just not, never feel comfortable answering that one way or another. So like respectfully, I'm just not going to answer. And I just thought that was like a brilliant respectful.

She's so family oriented and that's like such a cornerstone of who I am. like I just love her and I think like she gets a lot of shit when she really shouldn't because her and Chris are some of the smartest. They are eight, no, how many are there? Six girls, seven, seven multi-millionaires, three billionaires. Like it's just how can you not respect them? So much respect. Like with Kim, like no matter what and I'll always say this is not only is she incredibly

smart and she got her whole family like set for life. Also in this industry, I have an. heard and not only because of NDAs, like, even through the grapevine, like, no one has ever said they treated anybody badly. Everyone they've ever worked with will say how lovely these people are. And it's freaking true. I'm not talking about Kendall, Kylie, like, I don't know about the Jenner side, but I know the Kardashians, like, are lovely. That's the Chris Jenner work ethic. And like, she's really instilled that in the girls. And I think it's admirable. And I really do think while I don't agree with like everything they've ever done, I do think that they're really

good role models. And that's not a popular thing to say, but they are. I know. They really are. I do. I know we can all give them shit and like make fun of different things. And like you said, what's so great about them is like the most of the time know how to take it. And even with such a savage account as Norie's Blackbook, they were like down with it. Yeah. But yeah, we really love them. So at the end of the day, Drenge, I can see the review. Stop calling her Dwens. She told you It's not her name. Like, do you see, I'm card? No, I don't care.

I love it. You're changing my life. Honestly, as long as people are talking about me, I don't care. Oh, my God. You're so businessy. We need to go to, like, an ashram and you need to be like, I need to go to one of those push sound bath festivals. Oh, my God.

Kenny loves soundbats. Are you dying to try 818 tequila? I actually am. I'm a huge tequila gal, and I'm very specific. And I actually feel like it's really good. Did you see Tequila 512 saying that he copied? I saw it on your story. Don't sound so surprised.

I bring a lot of things to the world. You know what? I watch your story so much that you are like the first person that pops up on my thing before my sister's like. Oh my God. That's such a calm. I love your stories. Yay. Thank you.

I could do some more actually. Like I don't think you post enough. Oh, you're lying. Now you're fucking. No, I'm dead fucking serious. I'm dead fucking serious. I love. literally posted. It was so funny the other week. I was like, shit, I have to catch up on keeping

up. Oh, because I was starting to say before that like, so it is like your job, right? Technically to be on top of pop culture. Yet you're three weeks behind on keeping up. Okay, that's it's an exception. I'm always very caught up. It's okay. I'm just trying to make myself feel better. So what I'm saying is like, I know. But like, again, like is it your job? Yes. But is like people magazine paying you to like recap? No. Do you know what? mean. So, like, at the end of the day, like, you can talk about whatever you want to bring that day. You also have a child. And I think that's a really fair excuse to not be up every night watching trash reality television. Right. So I really don't have an excuse because I don't have

children, but you do. And I think it's okay. Well, I was just going to say about the stories that I got a message after I posted that I missed a lot of shows. I need to catch up. Like, so maybe post-led stories. No. which I'm just saying no most people really like you know it's a story central situation but just so you guys know like some messages like really

get embedded into your heart and that like you almost want to be like I have a child and then I'm like no like I don't really need to say that but yeah it's so hard because I haven't even watched Roney yet I didn't I didn't even watch yeah I know it's so bad

honestly you're really missing nothing really I mean, watch it because it's like, it's silly, but it's not anything, it's not 60 minutes. You don't need to be watching with, you know, live on air. I feel like lately it's been those shows, a lot of reality shows. I feel like it's been like I'm more on my phone than I'm watching. 100%. So what shows would you say, Claudia, are like you're not on your phone when you're watching and you're in it?

That's a good question. Beverly Hills premiered last night and that is a show that has 100% of my attention all the time because even when it's boring, everyone on the show is so rich in their fashion and their cars and their homes, I soak up every single minute of it. So that is a no-brainer, never on my phone for Beverly Hills Housewives. Stop. Would you tell me, I don't watch. Would you tell me to like binge from the beginning, start this season? Can I start this season? No, no. Been from the beginning. There's so much history and it's so iconic and we've been through so many hysterical. There's, honestly, it's the best franchise and it has been since the beginning.

Okay. So you have to watch that. When I watch scripted shows, I usually am not on my phone. So when I'm binge watching, I just binge watched. Oh, the bold type. I loved it. The bold type? Yeah, it's on Hulu.

Okay. Also, I watch younger. I don't get on my phone for that. But when I'm watching like Real Housewives of New York, Atlanta. Roan, do you watch? Yeah, I'm on my phone. You're on your phone? Even though Jersey looked like it was pretty savage the past few episodes.

No, it's been really, really good. But it's still like phone worth. But it's so phone worthy. Claudia, aka Jwenge. Dwenge. Thank you so much for coming on. Oh my God. This is perfect timing.

My computer just alerted me that it's about to die. Oh, my God. That's amazing. Thank you for having me. I have the best time. And here's the moral of the story. There's more stories. That's so cute.

And another moral, everyone go by Claudia's book, self-titled girl with no job. The Crazy Beautiful Life of an Instagram Thirst Monster. And you're in the bath on the cover. Yep. And remember when you used to do that, the bath question? I still do it. It's just like it's become a lot of work. And I'm like sweating in the bath.

I know you used to do it like like fucking in the nude. I used to be crazy. Like a lot of bubbles. A lot of bubble situation. A lot of bubbles. I can't believe I haven't slipped a nip yet. Maybe that's what I need to really skyrocket my career. See business, business, business.

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