Not Skinny But Not Fat - Pop Culture Hour with Claudia Oshry

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

The collab you’ve been waiting for! Fellow podcaster Claudia Oshry aka @Girlwithnojob is here to chat all pop culture hot topics including the Summer House scandal, her beef with Lena Dunham, her Blake Lively hot take and more!This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episodeGo to zbiotics.com/NOTSKINNY and use NOTSKINNY at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics products.For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you visit Nutrafol.com and enter promo code NOTSKINNY10Right now Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at meritbeauty.comUpgrade your sleep with Boll & Branch. Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at bollandbranch.com/notskinnyVisit drinkspindrift.com and use code notskinny at checkout for 15% off your sitewide purchase.Get your choice between free sirloin tips, ground beef, or chicken wings in every box for LIFE, plus $20 off when you go to butcherbox.com/notskinny/Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars, my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room.

Beup and you know, wake up your hands. Hi, everybody. Happy Tuesday. Welcome back to the show. I have strep again. I have strep again. And isn't that weird? But I also, I know, you know, when you hear yourself like a broken record, like everyone who asks me, I'm like, no, it's like I knew.

Like, I knew the symptoms. Like, I felt like it was the same symptoms. So you knew. Like, it's just you do get to be an expert in kind of sickness. I was going to say when you have kids, but it's not true because it was talking about me. Like, as you get older, I'm going to say as you grow up. Isn't grow up a better word than get older? Like, why just not say, like, grow up?

Like, always say that when you grow up, when I grow up. Because, like, I had strep, like, two months ago and was, like, literally bedridden, like, really it was terrible, terrible, terrible. And then I had kind of the same feeling, but, like, 15% of it. But the same, like, symptoms, like swollen lymph nodes. And it started both times with, like, a migraine. So, anyway, but this is me on strap. Like, I'm pretty okay. Like, I'm okay.

It just started with the same symptoms. And my mom, antibiotics again, Amanda. Antibiotics again. She's, like, sending me coconut cold. I'm like, fine, I'll buy it. I'll, like, you know, I'll do it. You need vitamin D? And then the thing is, I look at my blood test.

I'm like, oh, my God, damn, I do need vitamin D. And then you guys were DMing me, like, take vitamin D. Like, your vitamin D is probably low. And that really, like, affects immune system. I'm like, okay. Like, I should be taking more. supplements. Like I always tell you guys that I'm not a huge supplement person. Like, I have them all, by the way. I just, I don't know, there are days that I don't believe in them. There are days that

I'm like, you know, I'll just pee them out or like who really even, you know, needs these things. And then, but I do think I should get on my vitamin D game at least at the very least. The only, like, thing I'm good about really is I'm really good with digestive enzymes. I'm like, I pop those like, fucking. I'm like, I'm like, no, I, I kind. I'm like, no, I, I, constantly need help with digestion. Something so funny happened with my BFF last night. I was talking on the phone with my BFF Tom, or Tom, really, that's his name. Don't Americanize everything, Amanda.

And I was literally like just complaining. I was just like complaining about being fat. I know nothing about not fat. Here I am. Same mantra. You guys are going to think I have eating disorder, but like not eating disorder. I think I'm going to have like body issues, which I do, don't we all? But I was just like, no, like I don't understand.

Like, all I do is like eat so healthy and like a workout and like blah blah. And then I'm like, wait, I have to FaceTime you because as I'm saying that, I'm literally eating ice cream. But it was such a funny organic like moment because we're on the phone. I'm literally like, and I don't. Meanwhile, you guys, I'm like, the spoon is in my mouth. I'm like, and I don't understand like all I do is like eat so healthy and work out, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, whatever, he's consoling me. And I'm like, wait, answer his time.

And then I'm like, spoonful with that. He literally lost it. And I'm like, I'm in no mood. I'm still in the Robbie Hoffman episode. I felt like, I mean, you guys were obsessed with it. And that makes me really happy. Things that she said, like, stayed in my mind, you know, like hurt the way she talks. Like, just like, that's fantastic.

You know, or like, I'm in no mood. I'm in no mood. I just love the way she talks, and she's so charismatic. I had to correct a few people saying, I loved them. They were so good. And I was like, why are you, which I should have talked to her about. Like some people are deciding that she uses they, them pronouns, and she doesn't. So I enjoyed correcting those people for just like over, you know, like over trying to be, you know, I don't know what the word is.

But it's like, no, she's not, she doesn't go by they, them. She goes by she. So don't assume you're making an ass out of you and me. I feel like there was so much more to talk to her about. And again, I think she's so funny. She has her own sense of humor. And I just loved our conversation. I'm so glad it resonated.

I'm so glad it resonating. What moved am I in? I don't know. Anyway, let's get to today's episode. Another fun one for you. Like, I'm just full of surprises. Like, I'm just full of, you know what I, with this guest, this is what crossed my mind.

I didn't say it to her. I was planning on it, but I don't know why I didn't come out. But I was planning on asking her at the beginning of the episode, like, are we people's nightmare blunt rotation or are we like the collab we've been waiting for? Like, which one do you think that it is?

And I think it's the collab you've been waiting for. It is Claudia Oshrey, girl with no job, which, you know, we talk about that, like our handles of it all. And we, you know, I told her, I was like, I think yours is better than mine. Like, you're a girl in no job, at least. You're not asking me not bad. Anyway,

obviously, we get into pop culture. I love her takes. I love how unfiltered they are. I love how she just says whatever the fuck she wants and she goes deep in, you know, celeb topics and gossip. It doesn't give enough. And we talk about why and how she doesn't give enough to say whatever the fuck she thinks. So this is another, this is another treat for you. Enjoy. Hey, I'm so glad that we did this. I know. I texted you at like midnight. I'm like, four in the morning. Hi.

Oh, you go to bed later. Four in the morning? I woke up at like six and the morning. Oh. No, I was having one of those nights where I was so tired but couldn't fall asleep and just having my best ideas like inviting you on. Love that. Do you know though when that happens? Like you think of all the things.

Yeah, but I never do them. I just forget them. Like I do it. You're like, I'll wait till the morning. Yeah. I'm like, I'll remember in the morning. No, so I'm like you got to do it. Do you have another pillow?

Do you want mine? No. Sure. You're my guest. Okay. Thank you. Take it. I know.

Your no. It's like not. You're no. I'm just so short. Like my feet never hit the ground. It's like embarrassing. Oh, but look. Mine don't either, really.

How are you? I'm good. How are you? Welcome. I'm feeling not skinny, but not fat. Babe. You came on maybe like COVID Zoom vibes. Because I think the time I was on your podcast, we were both at home, right?

Yeah. It was COVID, Zoom. I don't even know what we talked about. about. Probably, we were probably hilarious, honestly. No, we were probably really cute. Jackie wanted me to ask you because I find that you and I are in like similar situations with our usernames. No, no, no, that's so funny. Somebody DM me that that you talked about it on the podcast. No, no, but I swear to God, will you believe me that I was thinking about our interview like all week and I was like, I want to ask her this question about handles because I felt that too. And I want to ask you. Jackie encourages me. And then I'm getting messages like Claudia talked about this on the pot. And I was like, no, no, no. It's already on my notes app. Like I want to talk to you.

You about it. So I would love to know your personal journey with your username because I love being Girl with No Job. I feel like so many people know it. I don't really feel any motivation to part with it. But Jackie's always encouraging me. She's like, you should just change your name to Claudia. And I don't know.

But you have two accounts. I know. I think I would just make one and I would be like Claudia, Claudia Ashtray, like just my name. Yeah. That's just so unexciting to me. I don't know. I have no plans to. Okay.

This is, we need to go deep here. Yeah. So. when you were girl with girl with no job, you started with memes. Yeah. Which by the way, I came after you. Yeah. Fuck Jerry.

All the names. Hence my dumb name. Yeah, that's just what everyone was doing. Well, that's, but that's it. Like, when people asking about the name, I was like, let me take you back to 2015. Oh, that's interesting. Everybody had these names. It's true.

And a lot of people have shed them. Like, we were talking on the podcast like Something Navy. She's Ariel Charnas now. Like, there are people who have successfully done it. But, babe, I think something Navy also like close. I know, I know. But she did successfully become Ariel. Like, everybody calls her now, Ariel. Oh, because people called her something Navy before. Didn't you pose that somebody thought you were something Navy? Oh, my God. Somebody thought I was something Navy in the park. I felt so skinny.

Like, it was, they were like, oh my God, something Navy. They obviously just got their like Jewish brunette, New York City, and plumbers are confused. But I was just happy that she thought I was something naming. No, but this is, okay, so what I was going to say is like, you are different than me a little bit because you, your podcast is the toast. It's called something different. Like, you have nothing girl with no job vibes anymore. It's true, but your whole brand, like your mic flag, your car, it's everything. So how do you feel about not kidding about it? And also I don't want to start a new Instagram, like a separate Instagram. Like I'm not in that faith. No, you would have to change. I would just, the only thing I could do would be Amanda Hirsch and then like hashtag not

Skame but not Fad podcast. If you changed your username, you would also have to change the name of your podcast. Why? Because like you're not going to be not skinny but not fat anymore. Okay. You'd have to do a whole rebate. brand. I'm not suggesting that, but I'm just saying, if you're going to change it, you have to go all in. I mean, sometimes I do, like, my name is dumber than your name for sure on the level of, like, dumb dance. You know what I mean? Like, mine is like, what is happening? Yeah. You know, like, and if actors are getting pitched this pot and they don't know me, are they like, are they like, am I going on a weight loss? Do you think that Ryan Reynolds, like, when he got the brief,

what's he like, so confused? I feel like if they don't know me, then they're probably A lot of people do know you. They're probably following it. Or like the publicist shows them. Right. We're right. It's only getting the publicist to really like you is half the battle.

It's half the battle. I actually get jealous of you because I feel like because you don't interview, you can say whatever the fuck you want. I know. Which used to be me. Yeah, I know.

Because you don't need to, like, I feel like I want to say whatever I want, but then what if I want them on the pod? Of course. No, that's so valid. However, a lot of times I say, but you won't want them in the pod

because you don't like. Because if you have that feeling. So talk shit about whoever you genuinely wouldn't want on the pod. That's not the reason that we don't have guests, but it's a huge benefit, right? Like, we didn't want to be an interview show. There's so many of them that do it quite well. And I think that because we're daily, like, it's just not feasible that we have that many guests. And we really wanted people to, like, tune into the show for us.

Yeah. Not like, oh, it's a great guest. We have a million downloads, one episode and three downloads and next. Yeah. So we intentionally did it for that reason. But a side benefit is that we do get to say, but it doesn't stop people from like sliding into the DMs, like hating a clip, or leaving a mean comment. Well, that's what I wanted to ask you.

Like, do you get, like, the people that you're talking about coming in? Yeah. It just happened with Michaela from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Oh, with Jace, her husband. Oh, she was defending the huss. Yeah. And it's like... You made him the dick of the week or something?

We have Queenie and We have the Weean. We just, like, don't like him. Mostly because of what he does. Like, he puts himself out on this show. And they both... And it's like, I hate when people put their husbands, like, make their husbands out to be the villain. and then get mad at people for, like, hating him. You've made him the villain.

You told us that he wants to have sex with you, even though you have childhood trauma that you can't heal from. Like, you've made him the weenie, not me. Like, I'm just receiving what you're giving us. So it does happen that people will, like, engage with... Did you talk to her? No. She just left the comment and we wanted to die.

Like, we didn't do anything about it. You didn't, like, DM? No. See, like I said, I'm not sorry. I would get like, I mean, I'm saying, you know what you mean? It's easy to do that. But when you don't have to rely, like, you would then maybe one day want Michaela on the podcast. She's not.

coming on. That's the example. You would want Michaela and she would not come. It was the most recent. But like you would. Like she's a good interview. She's a good get. And that's just not a concern for us. Thank God. So it was just like awkward and we wanted to die. Like our buttholes were clenched. Or even Ryan Reynolds by the way. We're talking about like I interviewed him three days before. Oh. I called like. But when people are like you had Ryan, I'm like before. You know. That's so funny. Do people like conspiracy theorize about you because he follows us on Instagram. I think I like advertise memo. because they like pay well. That's what I was saying about the vials, too. Natalie and Nick. They have similar takes on the situation to me. We're both like a little more team lively. Yeah. And they're...

Which like, hashtag you're so brave for saying. I'm very brave. I'm extremely brave. I want like a purple heart. I'm so brave. Yet they also have Mint Mobile as a sponsor of their podcast, which I think is a company that Ryan Reynolds once invested in. Yeah.

So the people like on conspiracy theory, well, they have Mint Mobile. Yeah. I'm sure you get that too. No, I got that too. I had Nimble and Ryan on. Oh, you're such an op. By the way, like, I do part of like I am, I know we're not allowed to use this word, people make fun of it, but like an empath. So like I'll always feel for the person being dragged. And I'm sure you've been dragged in your life as an internet person. So I so it's always my, I don't know if it's I'm an empath. I just like use my own human lived experience to be like, well, nobody deserves that. No matter what you think that they did. But like the internet just like the way I say it is like shoot these people on the street. Like you would if you saw them by the. the way you're commenting, you would want to murder, execute this person.

It's not that serious most of the time. But don't you feel bad for Blake? Like, I feel so bad for her because, like, to me, I call it, I called her an untouchable before this happened. I thought she was one of those people. And I used to make fun of her, like, style. Oh, my God. I just want to say it's worth mentioning. I really did not, like, both Blake and Ryan before this whole saga.

I still don't like them per se. Like, I think Ryan's digital footprint is so annoying. By the way, they would be so excited about you defending them and then you're ruining it with this. I'm just saying. I feel like that actually makes my case like a little bit more. I'm not even a lifelong fan. I never understood my Taylor and her were friends. Like I thought his like Instagram schick of like my wife,

I cut her out of the picture. Like it's so fucking annoying. I hate that shit. So I'm not even like a lifelong fan. I just like see everyone descending upon her and I feel like it's wrong. But nobody wants to hear what I have to say about Blake and Ryan. But do you care? But do you care?

Like how involved are you in the case? So I'm not, I'm not going to lie. I'm not reading every, like I have a job. I have no idea what the details are. I have no. I don't read the depositions. I just, I base it more on like public opinion. And I think it's so easy.

It's so quick. You could never get the entire world to turn on a man like this. Like ever, the way that everyone, all these brands are like making memes. Everyone's like, that would never happen to a man. The brands making memes. That would just never happen to a man. Not to be one of those, but it wouldn't. I know.

The thing is I'm kind of becoming one of those too. I am becoming. Stop pitting girls again. Even with the elites. By the way, I saw you call you guys. So I have a like dyslexia, I think. Oh. And I've called Alex.

Earl, Aleeks Earl. Oh, I mean, that works. It makes it easier to talk about the two separately. But yes, it's the exact same thing with Alex Cooper. I feel like if you want to, you know, go back in her history and find things that she did wrong. Sure. You can never get everyone to turn on like a Jay Shetty like this or whatever the equivalent,

armchair expert. No, but Nick Viall, yeah. That's not the equivalent. They're not, I don't think operating on the same level. Like, when I think of the male Alex Cooper, it's probably like, what's his name? Dax Shepard. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Dr.

I mean, people hate Jack Shepard, too. Yeah, but the whole word. world doesn't turn on him. It doesn't become the biggest news story in the world. And it's like, yeah, the whole article about her workplace was her husband yelling at people. But now it's like Alex Cooper's company. I did hear by the way there's another article coming. Have you heard about this? Vanity Fair. Right. Where is it? I know. I did hear that they were like interviewing people that we know in the circle. By the way, when we say we heard like that means like it's fucking a fact. When I say I heard it either means it's fact or I read it in the TikTok comment section. Like that's where I get all

About the TikTok? It's in, people know about this vanity fairer. People know about it. Yeah. They're probably doing everything they can to stop it. It's also been in the works, according to, you know, people that I talk to. It's been in the works for a while before this Alex Earl thing. I think maybe the Alex Earl thing has expedited.

They want to take advantage. But like, I wouldn't care that much about it being the husband. Do you get what I mean? Less interesting. Like, it wouldn't be, it would be like the husband sucks. By the way, I had heard the husband sucks anyway because he was married to Claire Holt. was an actress that I love. H-2-O.

Right. NAR! NAR! Which we made her do when she came on. Oh, I'm dying. Does she know the lore? Yes. Okay, good, good.

She was married to him, and Aaron Foster dated him, and those are two women that I really love. And they both agree. That thing to say. Right. Yeah. So I kind of always knew that.

But yeah, I feel like it wouldn't be as, which goes with what you're saying, we love to hate on women. We do. Nobody hates women more than women. I don't know if you were following. Acquired Styles Bachelorette Party. Were you?

She's a TikToker who got her whole bachelor party sponsored and like an insane trip. This company, it's a brand new beauty company called Swan Beauty. They sponsored her bachelor they flew all these girls private to St. Bart's for the weekend,

stayed in this insane villa. And when I say flew private, like Drake level. It's like a 747 has like a bedroom in the back. It was insane. Wait, what brand did it? Swan Beauty.

It's a new AI makeup mirror with like, you know, the lights, like the makeup mirrors that have like the beauty lights. And it has, it's like Peloton where you have makeup tutorials. It'll like show you

what to put on your face. It's like this really high-tech mirror. And they sponsored the whole, it was the most insane trip. People were dying over the jet. I've actually never said. It's like bigger than Kim Air. No.

Yeah, bigger than Kylie Air. Yeah. And it looked like our first one. And the second she started posting, like, of course he's jealous bitches being like, like this is so out of touch. Oh my God, the jet fuel. I'm so glad this wasn't my bachelor party.

Like influencer influencer. Meanwhile, so fucking jealous. And it became this whole like big story. My whole for you page over the weekend was talking about this girl's bachelor. party. Meanwhile, this is just a normal girl who worked really hard and, you know, she's a killer business now. She must be raking it in. Like, you're so supportive. I hate that the internet has made me

into a woman who supports other women because people who say that they support. I have downright I have said this my whole life. I know. I've seen me say that. I do not blindly support. Some of the nastiest bitches I've ever met were women. Just because you're a woman, you do not have my support. I think most of you are extremely fucking sinister, honestly. I hate that the internet made me be. Because it's always these people who like wear T-shirts that are like, the future is female. And they hate women. Like they turn on each other. And I'm like, I actually am a woman who supports other women.

And also like, would you want that bachelorette? Obviously. People being like, I'm so glad this wasn't mine. Oh, okay, yeah. Keep telling yourself that. I had a sponsored bachelor party back in the day. My whole bachelor party was sponsored by MGM because we went to Vegas. MGM owns the entire strip.

When I tell you, we did not lift a finger dinner reservation. We were like, we had this $50,000 table at Tiesto, Wet Republic. And this was like my real party did. tag and post and... I don't even think there were that many requirements. And I did it because it was so easy and fun. And I saw a lot of people, you know, they probably didn't even have that much fun.

They had to, like, post and make content. That's just not true. They were having so much fun for free. Like, it is that fun. Everyone is just jealous. I think that's also a huge factor in the Alex Cooper debacle is that, like, people are really excited that, like, her moment is coming. Like, she's getting canceled.

A lot of that is fueled by jealousy. People make gossip not fun. Like, when I saw her video, I got, I got, I was like, You know? But this is also like people that we know. And enjoy. And like I would I would enjoy this battle. Like to talk about it.

See what's happening. But yes, people that get like way too, you know, involved and want to know like what they did in the past. It can get them canceled or whatever. Once we start going back through someone's entire digital footprint and looking for all. It's so annoying. And didn't you say people are starting to say like, I flew with Alex Zerl. Yeah. No.

And now it's like one time I saw her on a train and she gave me a dirty. She's not a girl's girl. No, babe, this flight attendant, literally. I served both Alex Cooper and Alex Earle. I'm United Miami to L.A. And Alex Earl gave me a hug because my grandpa died. It was just absurd. Also, I hate stuff like that.

When you go back and comb through someone's entire digital ferment, people are people. They're obviously not going to have positive moments. Do you think this connects to, and this is just me thinking now, because I also find it fascinating our obsession with scorned women being elevated and blowing up the way they are. Arionematics. Prototype.

Yes. So is that the like, is that like, we can only really support when you're in the shitter and then we really want you to succeed? So I have a really big problem with like the whole Ariomattox thing

because Amanda Batula was on her way to being that. And it's like, you know, you get scorned by a man. A man who we all knew, like we knew Tom Sandibal from the second Vanderbump rule started. He is a bad guy.

Like, I could have told you that. But no, we had to watch you for eight seasons. Tell us how great he was. And then, oh, my God, he cheated on you with your best friend. So surprised. And now we're supposed to lift you up. Girl, I could have told you that. The same with Amanda.

Like, oh, you were in this atrocious marriage for 10 years. Like, we watched him cheat on you. We watched him go to girls' apartments. And then you leave him and we're supposed to be celebrating him. It's like, well, you're the one who made bad choices. Like, why are you now our queen? That's not my queen. But why, but why then?

And did we always have this? I feel like we didn't always. Like the Ariana trajectory that's now like a thing. Sierra's on it now. Sierra's fucking on it. She's a deserving queen. Like, yes.

I don't know where it comes it. I think I don't want to say more than Ariana. What I did say about Ariana was like, Ariana said this about herself. I remember she had come on the pod before the thing happened. And a lot of seasons, she was kind of side character vibes. Like nobody cares.

That was generous of you. Like nobody had less of a cultural impact than Ariana Maddox. And it's insane that she's the most successful person from that show. Right. She did not bleed out. When you think of what Stasi, what everybody, Kristen Doty, what all these people bled out on this, season one when they were poor. Yeah. And like, Ariana was seriously, like, so unimpactful.

And now she's the most famous one. It's actually remarkable. Right. It's remarkable. And all because she got cheated on. And all because she got cheated on. It's insane. It's insane.

And I do think she sort of invented the trajectory. Yeah. Because, yes, Sierra, Amanda, it's like a Bravo thing. Lindsay Hubbard. I don't know. On a smaller scale. On a smaller scale. Yeah.

One of the reality star friend that I know was like, I want my husband to cheat on me. Well, that's the other thing. Like, people want this. Why can't we be lifting up women who are in marriages? You know, what about the women who are just happily married? Right. Why can't they get the brand deals? You know, like, why do you have to be escorted woman to be?

So that's my question, no. But that's my question. It's just less interesting. I guess it is. It is. But I'm okay. I take my shalomba'i. Like, I take that over a brand deal any day.

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Yes, and I do say child bride. Yeah. And I will say. I say it at 27, but it feels that way. I don't recommend. Like, I had an amazing experience, but I do feel like that's sort of the outlier. Yeah. Because I feel now when I, and I feel now as a.

woman of a certain age. I won't say what that age is. I feel very sure of myself. Like, I really know who I am. And I don't think that was the case when I got married. Right. And it took me, and I really thought I did. I thought I knew everything, of course. But I'm so different. Like, I really am so different than the girl that Ben married. And it's very possible I could have, you know, grown into somebody that, like, wasn't compatible with Ben. And the same goes for him. He was young, too. He was 25. Like, so he could have turned into somebody. I didn't really like, we're both so different. Like, you can choose to grow together, but sometimes you just really don't. And so I feel like it really worked out for me, but I wouldn't recommend it.

I do feel like we're more of an exception than the rule. I agree. I agree. I'm so different. Oh, my God. Like, who even knows who we were at that age? When I watch Instagram stories, like my Snapchat when I, oh my God, like, who the fuck is that? Like, I do not relate to that person at all.

I feel so different from, like, the girl that I used to be, honestly. I mean, the 30s really are the decade of, like, knowing who you are vibes, way more than you did. Yeah. And I remember when I was younger, like the Kardashians, like, used to say that. Because I feel like I've watched them through their 30s and their 40s.

And they used to say how much they loved being 30. It felt so to me. I'm like, I never want to be 30. Like, honestly, that is so old. But now I look back and I'm like, I see these young girls. I'm like, so glad that's not me.

I'm tired. My back hurts. I feel very, like, happy where I'm at, honestly. Speaking of the Kardashians and age, Courtney just celebrated 48 years old. That's so crazy. Isn't that crazy, babe?

She looks so good. Courtney is the age of like Chris when we met Chris. They've been famous for so long. Okay. So, but this is another thing I have questions about. And, like, again, like, going back to me, kind of, going back to me, like, interviewing. Let's bring back to me.

Like, is like, I sometimes, because, like, Kim follows me. Yeah. I'm like, is she mad? I'm not posting about her in Lewis Hamilton. What are your thoughts on that? So, here are my thoughts. Why does no one care? Because it's not interesting.

Nobody. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. And there was a time. And it's boggling my mind. Like, she's, like, trying to hide herself at coaching. You don't need to hide. We don't care.

Why? Okay, so what's your theory? Why does nobody care? I think it's like such an uninteresting choice. He's so obvious, right? He's like the most famous rich athlete. Like, okay. Like, I just want somebody to surprise me every once in a while.

Like, date someone ugly. The Pete David is almost surprising. Yeah. And I think there was also just a lot. Date somebody ugly. Date somebody ugly. Like, it's kind of like, you know, everybody dates Tom Brady. It's like, okay.

Right. You're right. Tom Brady just keeps dating models. Like, what if you dated like somebody ugly? Yeah. That would surprise me. That would make me think a lot of you. honestly. And just nobody surprises me anymore. And the Kim Lewis Hamilton thing is just like so obvious.

But nobody cares. I feel like media outlets don't care. She's paparotsing herself. I'm telling you. Nobody cares. But can I, don't you think as we know Kim? It's bothering her? She's, she's dying. Yeah. I think she's dying. And that's why I had this thought. Like I told you I get thoughts late at night and midnight. And when I try to go to sleep and I was like, is there a world where Kim is like going through my stories being like, why the fuck isn't she, why, you know, she used to post about. my thing. Every day. Well, she's just not in that era right now. She's in her mogul era. But I don't think she would choose.

I think that if she knew mogul era slash TV actress era meant no more most famous person on the internet, she would not want that. Well, I do think, and this is going to be like me being toxic, putting women against women, but that's what I do. Kylie? No. Oh. I do think that there really can't be a shared moment between Taylor and Kim.

I think one of them is always like having a moment. And I think it's kind of been like the Taylor years for like the last two, three years between her and Travis. And I think like one sort of has to take a back seat to the other. It's the way that like Taylor doesn't go to the Met Gala ever because it's like the Kardashian sphere. Wait, really? I do think that. I think that like people can't, like they just both can't have a moment. I really feel that.

Like, and I think there are years that are so like the Pete Davidson in like those two years, Kim was on fucking fire. Taylor was very quiet. Now it's like Taylor and Travis in the wedding. Like I just think. And especially like in the last couple of years, so much news about celebrities like is around Taylor Swift. Like she's just this, like people orbit around her. And the Kardashians are completely erased from that narrative. Like they're never in any, they don't go to the ERIS tour, even though I know the kids are dying to go.

Like they can't really participate in half of pop culture because half of pop culture is Taylor Swift. That's how I feel. But you love both, no? I do. Or do you have a team? I think if I were to have to choose, like I would choose Taylor. Yeah. And I don't even think I need to think on that.

Like I absolutely choose Taylor. there were a couple of years where I was like really divided. Like I could not decide. But now I'm like, no, I'm team Taylor. Like not even in the Kanye thing because I think you could argue both sides of that. Like everyone was wrong. Like for real. But just in life, like Taylor is my queen.

So are you like a Swifty hater? No, no. Do I give that? Yes, definitely. But I think maybe it's more because you're so obsessed with Kim. That's just how I feel. It's like, see, you're like making it a thing. Yes.

I'm sorry. I'm not making anything. It's a fucking thing. No, I'm not. I actually, I went to the Eres tour. and I loved it and I love her music. I'm not like inspired by her style or like... I don't think a lot of people are.

Well, I'm not inspired by Kim. I, you know, me neither. What's with the Belenziaga? Can I ask you that as like the Kim historian? Why can't Kim like, oh, Blenciaga? Like, it's, she's a mom. She's such an advocate.

Like, it's really gross. Because of the child thing. And Hollywood in general, but I feel like Kim was the first one to like really... And then she like is obsessed with Demna and like followed him to Gucci. Yeah. Why can't Hollywood Specifically the Kardashians? Why can't they let go of Valenciaga?

She has those hills that she's willing to die on that I don't get. You know? And I was like, I also question that. I forget about what, but she has other ones.

That she just, yeah. That she's like, I don't care what anybody thinks I'm going to keep doing this thing. Yeah. And you're like, why would you do that? And it's not even like the clothes

are pretty. It's like leggings. But yeah, her style isn't close. Courtney had an amazing style era. It's not now. It was the, UNS era.

Yeah, yeah. I was just wondering if it's an age thing. Like, are we aging them out? I wonder if Kim, I mean, if Courtney is still breastfeeding. Do you think she is? I do think so. I do think she is. I think she's starting to get back to herself now.

I think it took her a long time. And she took a crunchy route for sure. Yeah. She's very, but she. Are you crunchy? Like at all with your kids? Like what I feed them and stuff? Just like your maternal philosophy.

Like organic clothes, things like that? No, we're going to know. No, no. No, no. Glass bottles. Glass bottles. I mean, have these. For travel, I do plastic.

Yeah, of course. I'm actually not, my sister just had a baby and she's very. Like, I was like, can you just buy the fucking honest wipes? Like, everything she's buying. Oh, which wipes did she do? Like the, like, one's probably from. Well, because, you know, Lauren Bostick came on the toes when I was on maternity leave and she kind of set the crudgy mama world in a tailspin because everybody uses this brand of wipes. Yeah.

And Lauren said she got her, like, blood tested and that, like, they found that, like, all this toxins were coming from that particular brand of wipes. Even though it's 99% water. Allegedly. Allegedly. So now I'm using coterie wipes. Expensive. Are you crunchy? You know what? I'm more crunchy than I thought I would be, definitely. And yeah, I would say I am. And I don't apply it to my own life. For me, I'm like scrolling till three in the morning. Like everything I wear is made of plastic. But no, we do organic clothes. We do glass bottles. I try not to use a microwave. Like really crazy.

You try not to use the microwave? Yeah, the microwave. What's it deal with the microwave? Well, you know, the iconic Lindsay Lohan movie Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen where like her mom is like, tinfoil hat and she doesn't use the microwave. Yeah. I just feel like it doesn't emit good things. And I don't like to heat up food for the kids, you know. Do you, but you use the microwave?

Oh, yeah. Like I said, rules for thee, not for me. Like, I am toxic. Like, like, I made a plastic. Wait, can you tell me a little bit about the Masked Singer? Oh, yeah. Experience? It was tough.

It really was. When did you do? When did you film this? So when I was like four months postpartum. What? I know. This opportunity came out of nowhere? It came out of nowhere.

And I don't know why I just felt like I had to do it. because like it's my, I love to say. I literally, if I could be famous, if I was here singing, like that would be my dream. And I, you know, in this industry, you feel like if I don't take this opportunity, it'll never come again. Yeah.

And I did it and I just, I struggled so much, L.A. I moved everyone to out to L.A. Like, it was really, it was hard. I was still breastfeeding. Yeah. And it just, I should have just waited a year. I think they would have had me the next season. Like you said, just, yeah.

I need time. But I just felt like, I just felt like, I just felt like I had to do it. And I couldn't tell if it was like the universe telling me to do it or not to do it. Because the concept of being like hidden in a mask postpartum is a dream. Like nobody's to see what I left like. And so how sweaty is it in there? So hot.

And you really have to get in it. I thought for sure. I'm like, there's no way Tiffany Hadish is in there. Like we're obviously all like, no. What did you wait? So what did you think? I thought that you would like pre-record and there was like a person in there. I'm like, there's no way they're putting celebrities in there.

No, you really are. and it's very warm. Oh, wait. What animal were you? A corgi. And I will say everybody who worked on the show, any issue I had with this show was like my own personal journey.

The people who worked there were wonderful, like very understanding, lots of like pregnant mamas like on the executive team who really helped me. Everybody who worked there were so nice and amazing. I didn't have, it wasn't like a toxic workplace. I just was in a bad head place.

Wait, you left. I did. I made the decision to like eliminate myself from the show because I just like I was really unhappy. Like living in L.A., being postpartum. I didn't really struggle at all with, like any sort of postpartum. I was really very like a very happy postpartum person.

And I think like picking up everything and moving tail, I like set something off in me. And so I started getting such bad things. I've never had anxiety in my life. Like my hands were tingling. Like it was it's it set something off within me that like I never want to feel again. And I, I just like knew. And I had like I have such an amazing like agent and everyone around me as a mom. So they were like you don't have to do this. Like we can help you. And it was very refreshing because you're used to like, you know, Hollywood sets. Like everybody like, you know, not. You're not, they're not, they're not, you know, like, there's a certain stereotype of people in hot, like, they don't care. Like, just go do your job. Yeah. And I hate to like renege on a commitment, but I was really, really unhappy. Like, I could not have lasted. I swear to God, one more minute. And when you quit, did the anxiety and subs subside? I don't like to quit. I unmasked. Okay. When you, when you, when you, first of all, I think quit, if I could look back at situations in my life that I didn't quit when I should have quit, I'm like, yes to quitting. Yeah. I will say the second. You know. I will say the second. You know. I will say the. I left the stage for the last time.

I, it was like, I don't know if I've ever been happier in my whole life, like, for real. Like, it, and the fact that I left on good terms with everyone, like, I was obviously worried about, like, having a bad relationship with the network and just, like, being, you know, getting a reputation for like, you know, not finishing your commitments. And because that's really not who I am. Like, I just do things even if I don't want to do them. But I, everyone was so nice. And I still, like, text out all the people there.

And I think everybody was, like, happy with the performance and stuff. Like, it couldn't have ended in a better way, honestly. and I feel like I was also able to like, I don't know, be an example to people. Like when you become a mom, like, it's okay to just like want to be a mom. Like you have to like keep being like hustler, hustler. Like it's okay to take a minute and say no to stuff that like you might have never said no to before. You know? Like we hear so much like Hollywood like Mandy Moore goes back to work six weeks postpartum.

And a lot of times. Like that's not me. And a lot of times we like kind of clap like women. Yeah. We're amazing. We're amazing. But a lot of times I feel like it's also what you're saying. thing, which is like, no, take a fucking beef. They're all good. You know, you can take six weeks off

of work and you can take six years off of work. Like, they're all good. But I just feel like I don't really hear people talking a lot about like, I feel like maybe it's like looked down upon to, like have less ambition after you have a baby. But that's definitely been my journey. And I feel like the mass singer taught me like, that's okay. Like I'm, I'm less crazy. Like I was really before like hustler, hustler, any opportunity. Let's go here. Let's go there. Let's do this. And now I have. I put things like. I don't need to be doing all of that. And I really, I'm, like, I mean it when I say, like, I'm really okay with that. I love that.

It's okay. I love that. Yeah. I mean, I did have my, like, year of yes moment. But typically at my core, that's who I am to be very, like, content. Yeah. With what I, I think, like, I think contentment is, like, underrated. Inner peace.

Yeah. Like, just to say, like, I'm actually good with how things are and I don't need to be like, uh, you know? And I think, like, people always love to ask people what we do. Like, what's your five year? plan. And, you know, maybe for a while I had one. But for now, like, if my five year plan is, like, if everything stays exactly the same, like, oh my God, I'm so blessed. Like, I love that. Like, I really want for nothing. And it was an amazing experience. It was so cool to be on TV singing,

like my dream. People guessed it was you, right? I mean, a voice like this. Can't be mistaken. Do you, is there, like, not regret, but, like, do you wonder how far you would have gotten? Yeah, especially knowing who won the season. Who won it? Ashley Simpson. Like, I feel like I could have made, I- Wait, Ashley Simpson won the season. And Evan Ross was on it too. So like they competed against each other. Did they know? Yeah, of course. I think. Yeah. I think. But yeah, there were people like, I definitely would have made it pretty far. So part of me does wish I just waited till I was in a better headspace. And it's not something you can like do again, obviously. No. No. Because then it's like, everyone knows. Yeah. But that's so funny. And to have that like under your belt is like something that you did.

Now in hindsight, like six months out, like, it's okay. In the moment, I really was not okay. Did the taking yourself out of there, did the anxiety go away? Immediately. Amazing. Immediately. Yeah, because I feel like because you did it right on time. Yeah. If you would have said, let me finish this with the shakes, with the whatever, you might

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And we're back. Did you read Lena Dunham's new book? I didn't yet. Did you? Yeah. Really? I listened. Are you a listener or a reader?

I'm a reader. I have a very complex relationship with Lena Dunham. Okay, tell me because like she's my, I don't know why I feel like so. When I say obsessed with her, it's like undermining it. Like, I feel like I just, if she could speak to me all day. I definitely think she's a generational talent. Yeah. Absolutely.

And I hate that she did this thing that I can't. can't get over because I can't look. Which thing? Which one of them? She wrote an article about when she was dating Jack Antonoff, who's Jewish? She wrote an article for like some fancy publication. It might have been like New York or New York Magazine. And it was like, who said it? My dog or my Jewish boyfriend? And it was so condescending. It was such a bad reflection on her. And also on Jack Antonoff, like, you let your fucking girlfriend talk about you like that publicly that I never forgot it. Like sometimes people do stuff and I forget. Like you remember the moment? Like it was like, I just, I can't get, I've hated her ever since then. Like for real. And I can't

I believe that's the thing. I know. People hate Lena Dunn up for a million. I thought you were going to say the article about her standing up for the sexual. Well, that's weird sister. There's a lot of things. For me, it's that. And it gets in the way of, like, I can't be objective about her.

I can't be objective about girls. Like, it just makes me hate her so much. And I know deep within, like, a lot of what she writes about, like, girlhood, about fame really resonates with me. That's what I'm saying. But I can't get past the article. And if she were to apologize, that's all I want. I would be okay.

Because she has something she apologizes for in the book, which is like she defended a writer from girls against a sexual assault allegation. Yikes. That was her like kind of cancellation moment. So that when you said write about, I was like that. You're like, no. She also is an important figure in Taylor Swift Herstery.

And my favorite Taylor Swift song, like one of my top 10, you're in love is actually written about her. And I'm like, oh, my favorite. fucking song. She's best, there, she was a bridesmaid in her in, and Elena's wedding. Mm-hmm. Interesting. And she writes really, like, beautifully about Taylor. But then, like, Lena's best friends with Amrata, which, like, doesn't align for me. And Jack Antonoff cheated on her with Lord. Like, we were talking about this on the toast today. Like, Taylor's wedding is actually going to be just, like, extremely awkward because, like, Zoe Kravitz and

Harry Styles, like, probably are going. Okay, let's talk about them for a second. Wait, so finish. Why is it awkward? Because Lena Dunham dated Jack Antonoff. And he cheated on her, and Jack Antonoff is going to be at the wedding with his wife, Margaret Qualey, and his ex-girlfriend, Linda Dunham will also be there. Right. He cheated on. There's a lot of, like, wires being crossed. So another couple I really don't care about is are Harry Stiles and Zoe Kravitz.

People do not like when I say this, but Harry Stiles is not in, is in his flop era. His album came and went so quickly, like, made no impact on the music industry. I happen to really, like, be living for him and Zoe Kravitz, especially because I heard, and by heard, I mean, TikTok comment section, that they're getting engaged because he really wants a baby. And I just love, like, I need more people to have babies. I need Taylor Swift to have a baby because I need to write music about it so I can relate to it. Like, I selfishly, like I need all my people who I stand to have babies. Wait, you're into them as a couple. You see photos of them holding hands on the Brooklyn Bridge and it tickles your shnitz-all. More so than anyone he's ever been with. Really? Mm-hmm. I think they're so cute. And she sounds like a great gal. Like she was with Channing Tatum and I love him. She was engaged like a hundred times. Okay. Love that. Like seriously love that. I love that. She sounds like a great girl. And I just want to say, like, because people used to say that about Taylor-Shift, like, she has a million boyfriends. And it's like, so would you. If you looked like that and like you were famous, like, if that was me, if I was Taylor Swift and like, I'm this burgeoning young artist, I'm gorgeous, I'm skinny and blonde and tall.

Everybody wants me. I would have had 10 times as many boyfriends as she did. And like hotter. I would have dated every single person who would have gone on a date with me just for the story, just have a kiss. Right. That is true. Yeah, I kiss John Gillina and Jay Gill and all. Like, I would date them all. And that's what Zoe Kroffitz is doing. So anybody who's like hating on her? Did you see Channing Tatum posted like a weird poem thing to his story?

Yeah. I do think Channing Tatum a lot. But I can definitely acknowledge that like he was probably the problem in that relationship. I feel like he's just like a dud. I still ship him and Jesse Jay. I know she has moved on and like had a baby. But I thought they were such a cute ball. That was cute.

It was so random. I know. I was. Dr. Dre and Michelle from the Valley. I love random. Wait. Dr. Dre. I feel like that was Des Mois's highest engagement.

post of the year. I just about died. What was that? I have no idea. And Jackie, my sister on the podcast, said, do you remember, like, a season or two ago on the Valley when they were accusing Michelle of having, like, a billionaire boyfriend who, like, pays her bills? Yeah. Maybe it was Dr. Dry. He's looking good. He's looking fit. He's looking fit. It took me, like, 10 minutes to fully understand what I was looking at. It was, I was so confused. Like, what is happening? Talk about two people, like, who have probably never been in the same room. How do they even meet each other? Are you watching the Valley? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. You're not. I know that

like, I was watching up until recently. Yeah. So many of the characters are so unlikable and I happen to think that Michelle's ex-husband Jesse is one of the most evil men to ever walk the stage on Bravo. So he gives you like evil vibes. I think that when we talk about like, almost like

Zach Bryan, right? Like these really abusive men, but it's not abuse that you can see, right? It's like narcissistic. It's verbal. I feel like he is probably one of the worst people you could ever be married too. And he's definitely the worst person you can be divorced from. Like, just his behavior and like using their kid. Yeah. I just, I get such icky vibes. I love the cheese with a billionaire.

I know it's making him sick. I know it's making him sick that she's like in this big star billionaire relationship. I love that. I hope that they are together forever just because I know it makes him sick. Another thing we have to talk about, did you see Westie's egg plant. Testes? Westies. Westies testes. Yeah, I did. I did see it. I did too. How do you feel? How do you feel? How do you feel? about it. So, obviously I don't feel good. I don't even know what to say. Like, I feel so uncomfortable. I think that like when you get to- Do you think it's for sure. Him? Yeah. Yeah, his face was in. But his face was in one? I can't remember. I'm like me closing my eyes. I hate when things like this happened because now I'm going to be over here having to defend West. Like no matter what someone does

sending naked. And I did not send it to anyone. It came in my DMs. Like, I did not seek it out. I think when we get to a place when we're sending around somebody's naked photos, imagine if this was a woman. Like, I'm sorry. Nobody deserves that. I don't care what you do. Unless you actually are a murderer. Like, I agree.

He did something extremely, extremely unethical. But I hate when we get to this place. Like, stop sending people fucking naked pictures around. But what is he doing sending his naked pictures, my love? These like short, Bravo Leopardy is like they think they're so fucking hot. They think they're untouchable. Unfucking touchable. And he thinks that he's hot.

Because only somebody who thinks that they're like extremely good looking takes a picture like that. I would never. Like I would never. It is a wild picture to take. But I think also if you're a, you know, a Bravo Liberty, you shouldn't be sending your dickpicks. Especially with your face in it. Because it could be anyone until I saw your face.

I'm trying to remember the face. I was focusing on a lot of other things happening there. There was a lot going on. There was a lot going on. I just, I don't endorse that. Like that's so wrong. I like your level headed. Because again, with the murder on the street, like what they did was fucking awful.

There's no, no one's like, team. Amanda and Wes. Like that doesn't exist. Like they're getting it enough. They're getting it enough where we don't have to like, again, people are going back. I loved when you said that by the way. Yeah. Like I was paid to Amanda. By the way, she wasn't untouchable. Everyone was like, you're Haley Bieber. She would post photo dumps and wearing t-shirts being like, this is the sickest outfit I've ever seen in my whole life. People were upset. People were like, she's better fashion than Paige. People were obsessed with Amanda. She could do no wrong. So I loved when you said that. That it's like, don't come out of the woodwork. If you'd say it at the time, like, like seriously shut up. Yeah. Yeah. And another thing, just on the naked picture thing, is an element of this story

is that there was a video. That's how Sierra found out. I think we'll get the timeline on the reunion, but what I had heard, which is, I believe the truth is that somebody had gotten a video of Amanda and West.

And that's how Sierra found out. Yeah. And the video was taken in a really intimate situation without their knowledge. Yeah. And while, yes, they're bad, they're evil.

They did something really bad. Like, that's not okay. You can't film people. What do you think? What do you think, what I had to guess? What I had heard was that they were, you know, getting it on with one another in one of their apartments. I don't know who.

And somebody's something in the window? Somebody who, like, lives across the street. Like, and they must know that like, you know, West or Amanda from Summerhouse lives across the street. And so, like, just got lucky and saw it at the right time. But that's what I had heard. And that's just also, like, sorry, you're going to make me sit over here and defend Amanda. Like, that's an incredible invasion of privacy. You can't do that.

You can do that. No matter what they're doing. So I hate when people make me defend people, but like, look, this is what I'm doing. I'm a woman who supports other woman. whether I like it or not. But it's true. And I, and I, don't you feel like if everyone was like you, then it would just be, you know what I mean? Like, yes.

What a great world that would be. What a great world that would be if we were all normal and level hadn't, weren't looking to like take away all her money and brand deals and cancel on all. That's why I got pissed. There was some company. E. I thought that was really lame. I saw, I, and I posted that as people came from. Especially because it was a campaign that had like a cause behind it.

It was like, you know, medicinal. It's fine, take her off. But don't write like we've replaced the model. I hate when Brands. Remember when Wendy's like made fun of Katie Perry for like going to space? Like I hate when brands get involved. It's like bullying. But making, wait, are you a Katie Perry stand?

No. I. A defender. No, no. I think people were really hard on her with like the whole thing. She's weird. Like I get. Like she's definitely weird.

And that what's her name? Ruby Rose. Oh yeah. That was really. What did she like? She accused Katie Perry of like sexual assault. Yeah. And like.

Ruby Rose is a little. I know. But I was trying to say she accused Katie Perry of taking her underwear off and rubbing her vagina on Ruby Rose's face. Like that's what the accusation was. What do you think of the Kyle of it all? Because you guys got in a little triangle with Kyle about the spread society. Do you think what he's doing now with the face-to-camera lean-ins of like support lover boy? By the way, everyone's supporting. My followers are sending me, I got all the Carl's a mess. I'm cracking up. I'm like I thought you were normal. So, yeah, I obviously hate. Kyle Cook. He is my personal nemesis, but one of my favorite Taylor Swift lyrics.

He called my husband a liar on national television and he lied like about the story. Like my, anyone who's met my husband, he's a lot of things. He's not a fucking liar. He's like such a good guy. And I will hate him forever because of that. He's never apologized. And he like loves to tell people that we know mutually being like, I love dragging water. They're so great. Well, we hate you. Like, we literally hate you. You owe me an apology. And I have said, if you apologize to Ben, we're good. We're good. So I, everything I say about Kyle like has that lens. I'm going to acknowledge my. own bias here. Yeah, I think the content about like, come with me to save my business is losery. I think he made such poor financial decisions, like taking out personal loans. Like, you're married, you're wanting to start a family and you're doing things like that. Like, please, you're not a serious person. It's also weird kind of to like try to get your company to succeed by constantly talking about

it. It makes me kind of not want to drink it. Of course. I'm not going to place an order. It sounds like you can't even fulfill it. Like, no, I certainly am not shopping lover boy, but you can shop spritz aside. Did you see the video of Addison Ray and Madonna? Of course. Madonna hates Addison Ray. Okay, so I feel like we're on the same page. Like when Addison was launching her music career. Yeah.

Upset. You say you're obsessed with, like the best song ever made. Babe, the bet. Noah was born at that time. It was his song because I listened to it so much. Oh, that's sweet. Like they sent me obsessed merch because I was so obsessed with the best song ever. And I saw her in a trajectory.

Yes, of course. Pop star, Sabrina Carpenter. And then she took a break because I think people didn't respond to the music as she had hoped. And she went very like Charlie X-CX, like club rat. I have no, I do not understand her music at all. It's not for me. I don't understand the outfits. Like, I don't understand the sound.

I literally don't get it. So, but people love it. Like, I feel like the gay community really responds to it. I don't get it at all. I can acknowledge the fact that it's not for me. It's just not what I had hoped for my girl, you know, like my TikTok queen. But then like if it was only me and you loving obsessed, you know? It's a problem.

And like you and I love a song that means it's probably not the best. Like I can acknowledge that, even though obsessor will go down as one of the greatest pop hits of our time. By the way, the music video, I thought it was all so good. I'm like, Addison, you should have stayed on that trajectory. Yeah. She got a movie role at that time. She's all that. Right. On Netflix. She released another song that like nobody ever cared about. This, uh, a sex die for. Baby I want something to die for. And it was literally like an old lady Gaga song that Gaga never released. And so Addison recorded it. This new music and the outfits and the nakedness. It's very avant-garde.

Like, I don't get it. Very grungy. Very grungy, very underground. I hate it. Maybe she's trying to just take a, like, a full left from, like. What she was like TikTok. Yeah. From the TikTok.

And it's like. Don't. TikTok is fine. Don't. Like what you did was fine. I'm not as much as you. I love TikTok. You love.

That's like your new spot. No, no, no. Like I'll always be like an Instagram girl. Maybe we didn't decide on what we're doing. doing about our handles. Wait, so what is Jackie's opinion about me? I think she, I haven't asked her, but like, I think she just wants to know. Yeah, she wants to know how you feel about it. But also, I think that if you were to change it, she would recommend that you have to change everything. Because not scatheed enough, that only makes sense as a podcast name because it's your name.

Right. It's not your name anymore. What's a podcast? It's not like you're doing like a podcast about dieting. Like, you'll have to change both or none. Are you going to change yours? I'm not. Ever? I have no plans to. I love being girl with no job. Especially like, you know, I try to cover all my demographics. And that's why I'm on TikTok, you know, the young kids. Whenever I meet like somebody on the street and they're like, I love your TikTok, I feel like seriously like insane. But then, you know, I'll like be a shul and I'll meet like older women. And they're like, the girl with no job.

I feel like I get to cover all of my bases. And if I lose the girl with no job, like the Facebook moms, they'll forget about me, you know? Yeah. Like an older demo. So no for you. No for me. I feel like our us and I'm going to speak for both of us have a lot of cultural cachet. And I wouldn't throw that away, honestly.

Wait, one more thing I had to ask you about was the beef with the new Rony girl. Did you die? No, that cracked me up. That was one of the craziest things that ever happened to me. And did she reach out after? No. I was just reading Jumont and they were reading the list of the names. And I know Erica, I've known her for years and I was very excited.

So I was like reading, you know, who else? And they said the name Haley Klassman. And I could not put my finger. I'm like, did I go to? Sounds like a Jewish girl, like Haley Glassman. But did I go to camp with her? I was like, why do I know that name? Went to her Instagram and I'm like, oh, yeah, it started to feel familiar because her Instagram

is not something you forget. She's like really kind of kooky. And I was like, there's no way. There is no way. And I go to our message history and lo and behold, for years, I'm scrolling through. She's responded to so many of my stories, she's like a troll. She's obsessed with my weight. A lot of the things she was messaging me about were like, you're fat.

Like she's obsessed with weight. She's like always recommending I like get plastic surgery at her dad's practice. Just like true troll behavior, so much so that I had recognized her username because she's like an active year. Yeah, yeah. You know the name of your trolls. Yeah. I couldn't believe. Of course, I was instantly excited because like I get to make something about myself.

And I was obsessed. I was asked to film and I'm, no. What? Yeah. They're like, would you do a dinner? No, no, no, no. Wait. I said my piece.

Like a, like a confrontation? I think you know how like when a new housewife comes in and then somebody like dig something up on them and they bring like, you know how like they brought ship sex girls? girlfriend or whatever. Like something, I think I was to see one of those. I have no interest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to like make my little TikTok, get a couple of followers. I'm good. But that was just so crazy. You know, I always think the world revolves around me, but like it doesn't. But in a situation like that, I was like, maybe it does. Maybe it does. Everything, like everything has to do with me. I think she maybe blocked me. Oh, she blocked you after? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because I was like, I wonder if she's kind of like a mom does.

No, I don't, I don't block. Oh, you don't block anyone? No. Maybe a couple people, but like I'm I'm not a big blocker. Like if you happen as scroll through a DM that's mean, you'll leave them? I will, yeah. You'll leave the person to see your life. Engagement is engagement. I need that engagement rate to get up so I can get paid more. I love you.

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