Not Skinny But Not Fat - PR or FR with Sami Sage

Episode Date: August 3, 2021

Today’s episode has a theme: we’ve been seeing A LOT of scandalous celeb action lately: Bennifer 2.0, Paris Hilton’s false pregnancy announcement, Megan Fox & MGK missing their movie premiere… and Betches Co-founder Sami Sage is here to help me navigate through it. What’s PR and what’s FR? (FR means for real for all you who aren’t hip). Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Amanda Hirsch from the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast. You might know me from Not Skinny but on Instagram where I spend my time talking about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening, and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking about your best friends in your living room. So much to discuss this week.

You guys, I brought on an OG pop culture, entertainment, junkie, co-founder of Betches, and host of a gazillion podcast, writer of books, just connoisseur of the world. Sammy Sage. Hi. I am so happy to be here. I've been a follower for quite a bit. And I got lots of great info from you, to be honest. Well, you're welcome. No, I'm just going to. Yeah. No, because listen, there's so like we're all living this. I mean, you started bitches in 2011. You were one of the first like Instagram, social media entertain like a different kind of like delivery of entertainment. news. Yeah. I mean, we, so we started as a blog and then we, we were obviously doing like entertainment news through that. But then we got into podcasting and obviously social. And yeah, I mean, pop culture is like the center of our lives and like what else are you going to talk about, you know? It's just, it's become such a like transition, like such an easy transition from

just, it's such a collective thing for people to talk about. And it used to be, I don't, Did you always like this kind of shit? Like, were you reading, like, Prez Hilton and, like, grabbing magazines at the supermarket when you were younger? Yeah, totally. I was, like, obviously, like, an Us Weekly reader. Like, I was that person. Yeah.

I also love, like, the news itself. So, like, I feel like I'm constantly just consuming info about what's going on. But also, one of the reasons I love covering things now, even more than, like, in the past, is because everything used to be run through publicists and, like, magazine placements. And, like, everything was controlled by, like, a machine. And now that celebrities control their own comms, it is so much more interesting because, like, they get things away that, like, they don't even necessarily realize. And it's, I mean, that's what I think you do such a good job with is, like, finding those small things that, like, would never have made it into the conversation, like, 10 years ago. Because, like, a publicist just, like, would not tolerate it.

So, yeah. I love the nitty gritty. Like, I think it was like my brother-in-law the other day that was like, so what do you just like talk about? Like he knows he follows. I'm sure he like taps through. He doesn't really like listen or read everything. But I was just like, I took his question seriously. And I was like, I really, the part I love most about it is actually like that stuff that you were saying like the nitty gritty that not like, oh, they were walking on the street.

Oh, they were kissing. Like I love the comments. I love the like innuendos. love the small shades if you catch on to them like I love paying attention and I love that like people hop on that with me and it's so nice to have that community like I don't know for example Haley Bieber you know taking selfies in her bathroom there was like the whole beginning of the summer she was doing this um which now we realize it's for her bathroom series on YouTube but she was like putting a heart on her vanity to hide the shit and we

we just like that became like a thing like a heart and just like the small things like who gives a shit but also I want to put a brown fucking heart that I didn't know was on the emojis like I didn't know there was a brown one. Also like also a lot of times it's in what they don't post and like and if you follow certain people like obviously I'm not like I'm not following every single person very intensely but like there are certain points of interest and like for example when you Al Cohen did not post anything for like since the election and then like the only things she posted then were like political things. I was like, okay, she used to be like loving scooter family

portraits all the time. I get they're not going out because it's the pandemic, but like they would still go on a vacation to a nice expensive place and she would still post from there. And I was like, I was like, there's something up. And then literally like three weeks later, they announce that they're splitting. It's like there's so much that you can find in like in what they don't try to make a big deal of. Exactly. Did you say it though?

Because now how are you going to prove it? Oh, you said it. I said it on the Appetches podcast and then it happened like two weeks later. Oh, shut the fuck up. So like I just randomly said it because I was like, oh, Chrisel, yeah. I mean, what do you think of that? Do you think it's like for the show?

Or, I mean, listen, on one hand, like, another thing that you said is I remember when she got out of the flower deliveries, like we were wondering, wait, all of these flowers kind of look like the same flower. So is this from one person? Or is it from a bunch of people? Like is she so loved, which like, again, makes me feel insecure because I'll get like a flower. I don't get any flowers. Yeah, like one, like a, I don't know. But I was like, you know, but we didn't go into it so too deeply. But. I was like, wait, who are these flowers from? Listen, she was on my podcast two weeks ago. So first and foremost, I'm offended. I'm offended. I didn't even get a like off the record, like, by the way. Because I asked her, we talked a little bit about MGK and like Travis and other couples that are kind of midlife.

And she actually was telling me how it gives her so much hope because, you know, she's divorced and it gives her hope to like find. that midlife, really sexual, really intense relationship. And fucking shit. She was doing Jason. Right, right. Well, I mean, she's still in like, I imagine they're still like somewhat early or, okay, my question is like, did they get together for the show or did they get together and they're

not really sure if it's for the show in their own heads? Because maybe they, like, I imagine for some of these like. convenient relationships like they're a great example of one like are they and i would even argue like jalo and ben like are they are they in it because like did they actually want to be in it because they want to be in it or do they want to be in it because like they're like are they confused about why they want it and part of the reason is for the publicity you know what i mean like you know when you sometimes do something and you're like there's a lot of reasons why i'm doing this and like one could be for the right reason and like well

could be for like not really. I wonder like how much of that is for like the publicity and the hype and how much is it that like they actually really like each other. Well, you're being cute about it because a lot of people that argue the publicity stands would be like they're doing it for publicity. You know, it's cold-hearted. It's a business deal. It's easy to say that. You're saying maybe it's like you're being like psychoanalyating. You're like maybe it's in the back of their minds and they don't even know that they're doing it. it. Listen, were the photos super sexual? Or they're like, yes, it will. Yeah.

They weren't. They were kind of, I mean, we need to get a body language expert on those photos, I feel like, because there was something like, it was close but far. There was something. It took me a minute, too. It took me a minute to get it. Like, I was like, who is this? The caption, well, I hadn't watched selling sunset in a while. So I was like, wait, like, We're talking about a relationship that, like, I am not, like, invested in the moment. But when is, do you know when the new season's coming back? Well, she said the fall. She didn't have, like, an exact date, the fall.

Okay. So, I mean, I'm not like that person. It is tricky. Right. Because I'm not that person, too. I want to believe in love. I hate even knowing about producers and things. I just want to live my life.

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there being couples for that power couple PR shit and I always used to think that was so made up like I'm like, no, they're just in love. They made on the movie. They hooked up, whatever. But now, I mean, you just said before we started, like that you weren't really following Megan Fox. And I was like, I wasn't either until she hooked up with MGK, not because I'm a huge MGK fan,

because they became a power couple. And that was her resurrection. And that was Travis Barker's fucking resurrection. And I know he's from Blink 1282, but I mean, was he having multiple, like, fucking companies? Was he producing for every single young, new artist? on the planet. Would you be talking about him? No. Like, we wouldn't be talking about him. Right. We wouldn't be fucking talking about him. I think the Courtney relationship seems real.

I mean, it's, it's very much, it feels like they're like too, they're like living in a TikTok house, to be honest. But like, I'm, I'm happy for them. I am. But I almost feel like because Courtney, like, has lived the past few decades of her life, like in this, um, very controlled. she was in this Scott relationship that she like was in was out like I imagine like these haven't been like her most fun years and like now and you saw her kind of get over the show gradually and by the reunion she was just like fuck it and I think that like this would never have happened I don't think like 10 years ago like I just don't think she could have like mentally like given over to the like I don't give a fuck attitude that she kind of has now and that's why I'm really happy for her

because I feel like she was so, like, stifled before. I'm so happy for her. I am having, like, weird feelings lately that I'm, like, processing because I went from such a super fan to kind of, like, wait, you guys. Can we chill? Like, I just want to be like, yeah,

a little, like a little, like a little make a, like I feel like they're kind of enjoying it a little bit too much and kind of a little bit too into themselves, like, yeah. When Courtney, and most of people listening know this and they're going to be like, show the fuck Amanda, we get it. When Courtney started watching my stories and I noticed her little face on the bottom, like heart attack, death, pictured our lives together, happily ever after, you know, whatever.

And then, and then lately I've been starting to feel like, wait, is she coming to find things only about her, Like, does she like me for me? Like, okay, you guys, no, really, this is a valid question. Because we DM'd, which the listeners listening know this because I spilled the whole DMs here. And she was so nice and she was like, you're so funny and like, I love you. And I think we could be best friends. And obviously I die that day.

I'm not trying to sound. I believe that. I'm not trying to sound. What do you believe? I believe that she, like, thinks that when she said it. Like, you know, I don't think she's like, I'm just going to like a lie to this girl. Like, I think she probably. does genuinely enjoy your account.

But I think she comes. Like I almost feel bad if I'll see her little face. And I'm like, oh my God, I didn't obsess over them today. Like should I just pop something up here and say like, oh, my God, I'm obsessed with Kravis. Like I literally feel a responsibility to like be their number one fan. And and almost with that like, you know, I've seen Travis Barker respond to like fan accounts or him.

Um, I posted something about his pout and he like, reacted and I'm like how did that even get to him like they're very into them into each other but I think they're also into themselves as a couple which kind of turns me off though because their vibe that punk rock vibe should be like a way of life you know like really we don't give a fuck and like fuck social media but meanwhile Travis Barker is pouting all over LA you know Inception posting Instagrams, like... Yeah. Like, the number of one rules,

like, you don't share a share that, like, somebody's shit. You know, like, I'll tag you. You fucking share it. But even if Courtney Kardashian, let's say, shared my post, I couldn't share the share. Like, it's just, the fact that they do that to me

is such a no-no. I almost feel like, A, that could be because they're old. That's one option. B, it could be, I imagine, like, this is all a turn-on for them, like a kink, for them. You know, like, I could see that, too, being, like, I could see them, like, looking at pictures themselves in the press to, like, get turned on. Like, I can't.

It's, like, it's, again, one of those things where, like, you look at celebrity relationships and you're, like, in their head, it probably does. have like a few different things like reasons that they want to be in it. But yeah, they really are giving like this vibe of 10th graders kissing against a locker room. Like it's wild. You know, he posted, I mean, it is cute because because of, you know, everything we know about Travis and the fact that he's scared of planes and because of the plane crash he was in. So every weekend they go to a different kind of close.

they go to Montecito they go to Santa Barbara like they have which like as a married woman of we're going to be six years married like 11 years together I'm like I do not need to be secluded with my husband every single weekend just two of us by ourselves like we're you get to the age where you're like let's have more people come you know like you want that's that's why you can tell it's so new because they still want to spend every waking moment. together and like that's just not a lifetime it's not a thing for life oh my god but but too the way we started talking about it i do think like with all of this and with the fact that it's started very strong i do i do see marriage i do see marriage and babies for both of them i see engagement

already like i do believe that they're already engaged like what makes anyone think they would tell us immediately just because they're so excited about themselves would be the only reason. Like, why wouldn't they? You know, they share fucking everything. Maybe she's scared of Scott or like the kids, like, or they're saving it for Hulu. I mean, did you see? You better fucking not. I mean, there is the Hulu portion, which we don't know what that will look like yet and what's going to be on there. But did you see Alabama doing a late night live and calling Courtney her stepmom? Oh, wow. Yeah. She was. was on a late night live with three other dudes and they were playing never have I ever and one of

the dudes cleverly was like never ever ever like met a Kardashian knowing that she would fail at that so she was like yeah she was like well that's my stepmom so do like something like that which could be like what she calls her i don't know that's like a boundary look again like these are these people are not normal like we can't understand them from a familial lens But, like, I cannot imagine, like, my kid. Look, I'm nowhere nowhere near in the situation. But, like, I do think, like, stepmom is sort of a weird thing. Like, it's not something you're, like, excited to call somebody.

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almost divorced couple, Kim and Kanye. She supported him in a really big way at the Donda. Is it Donda or Donda? I've been reading it as Donda. Okay, Donda. But I haven't heard it said out loud actually. So. Well, because maybe you weren't invited to the listening party.

Or no, you could have paid $50 to go. That's it. I mean, I got messages that it was like 80 and then people were like, no, you could have gotten it for 50 or 20.

So then I was like, wait, so why are people fucking complaining he played the fucking music? What did you think? You were going to get a Kanye West concert for $50? Yeah.

Like, no. Like, yeah. No, I mean, that's still cool like it's still cool it's cool but it's like stadium seats you know yeah i guess so right if you're a huge fan and people really really um are waiting for this album which he's late on delivering and from what i understood i posted the other day like almost every album of his he's been late quote unquote so maybe just don't announce a drop date and just pull it i could see him just like taking it right i could see him taking it so seriously and like

like he like and i almost feel like missing the deadline is probably like a point of pride to him it's like you know how people are like i'm so busy like he's probably like that person just with like being late to his albums because he needs to like perfect the art but like what do you think of this uh jail cell he's taking up in for no reason i well you were just saying what i'm thinking is basically my first thought and judging him obviously without knowing him deeply and not taking his like mental health things into consideration or anything. It just seems to me like somebody

he's really trying to show that they're like an artist. Like I'm just like a method actor would be. He's always. He's like method, you know, he's methoding. He's being Kanye, you know? Like must you, must you. And also must you like not glam it up.

Like you're going to, so basic. You're in a fucking twin or single fucking. caught. Just go stay in a hotel. Like, you are performing, like, this is the, well, I think, okay, I think this is part of the performance. Like, that's part of the performance. And that's why I actually think he was a good match with Kim for, like, as long as they were together, because they're both, like, always sort of just, like, putting it on. Like, it's always a show. Like, there's nothing that's not a show. Like, I have to wonder, like, what was a real conversation, like, between them or were they also putting on the show in private?

yeah even the stocking on the head i mean not that lady gaga hasn't worn like meat dresses and you know statement pieces but how like imagine just like again i love picturing myself in this in these situations like i'm kim i show up at this album release party my almost ex-husband is wearing a stocking on his head and taking it totally seriously like i couldn't right i couldn't be like hey what's that like oh sorry you're stocking like got a little hole in it from my nails like I don't know it would be a weird vibe but it's totally for the show and especially if you posted it on Instagram you know yeah the whole thing is for the show like like or really anything they've ever done is for the show like the house

that's all white and like you have kids like are you kidding me like like that and like remember when he like made all those models just stand in the middle of like what was it like Roosevelt Island or something like and just like stand there and like the really bad heat like it's always for a show like it's it's never like here are my sneakers like hope you like them yeah there's always which which works I mean listen at the end of the day it works it works for them and I thought it was really cute that she showed up but it was interesting that like they showed up in matching outfits the matching red even though I really truly know that's how big the Kardashians are on, like, family and, and staying on good terms. So I didn't even buy into the reports really saying they weren't on good terms because I know how the Kardashians roll. But the fact that, like, she was matching him is kind of a big deal for, like, exes, you know? Yeah.

And, like, yeah, again, still all part of the performance. They want people to question. They want people to be like, what are they doing? What does it mean? like what is the like what's the deeper purpose of all of it like and we are like we're sitting here doing that and like I love I love doing this like it's entertaining but that's what they want they don't they don't want us to just be like okay I accept that totally normal like they want us to be like why is it so weird could you imagine thinking like that about

every single thing that you do uh no like I it seems it seems just like silly to me like I don't know but then again I'm not an artist like they are so you're right you're not an artist I always think like I'm like such a like Joe Schmo I'm kind of like you have the followers you have like what do you still need to do like you could just do you know you could just put out the album you could just show up it like like what do you need you need more buzz like you're buzzing like you are buzzing but I guess like you need they always want the more buzz I think that like it's part of like why they consider themselves artists like we're gonna push the envelope like we're gonna do something no one's up like the meat

dress like i also think that's what like that's all just like so that someone will perceive them as an artist or like creative or like willing to step outside the box and it's like okay like we got that you you got to do that like i just want to wear like a really nice dress that makes me look good you know same like i'm not trying to like if i were going to the oscar Yeah. I would not try to experiment. I would get a classic beautiful gown that I could trust is classic and beautiful. Right.

I would not be like, let me see what I can do with some puffy sleeves. Let me see how I can get everyone to put me on their worst dress list. Yeah. Like, let me try vomit color. Yeah. Like, I can't, yeah, I don't understand. But then again, just like, there's so many people in this world I don't understand. So, you know.

And celebrities are definitely, that's why we enjoy following them so much. If they were just like us and chilling on their couch eating potato chips, then there wouldn't be much to follow. Or maybe there would be. Or maybe there would, or maybe it would be like, Relatable. Hashtag Relatable. You told me that you do not follow Megan Fox and you didn't know as much about the drama that happened with them.

And this is one of the things that when I was telling you guys before, I gave my brother-in-law, this is an example of like, this is. life. Like, this is what I live for, is that, as we know, Megan Fox and MGK met on the set of Randall's first directorial day film called Midnight in the Switchgrass. Super easy, peasy name, you know, just a hard hitting title. Yeah. Easy to remember. Easy to remember. Just really rolls off the tongue. And there was a lot of, like, talk about this movie coming out. Obviously, MGK and Megan Fox met on the set, whatever. The premiere. The premiere. rolls around.

Megan Fox comes out with a statement via like variety that she won't be attending. She's the star of the film because COVID cases were rising in L.A. Good for her. I mean, it's true and it's scary and it's responsible,

but at the same time a week beforehand she was at the UFC game with like 10,000 fucking people. And she's been in like, you know, a month ago, she was at a freaking Venice house park. I mean, she's been around and no judgment, but it was just a little bit like, wait, but you're not

going to go to your own premiere. And she didn't put out anything on her social, any tweet, any anything. It just came from that variety article. That's a little off. But I will say as someone who went to like a bar two weeks ago and just dropped out of a social event because of COVID next week. Yeah. I do kind of get it because like I do think it got very, I was in L.A. when they, like, re-instated the mask mandate, and all of a sudden, like, people were bugging. So I kind of get it, but, like, I do think it's a little weird that she wouldn't, like, say something else. Like, I'm so sorry or, like, try to turn it into, like, a thing. You guys, we all want to look like HB and rock, like a freaking stack of necklaces, some gold tubes.

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And then Lala posted a selfie of her, a picture of her, at the premiere with the movie poster behind her and there is Bruce Willis and Megan Fox but her, she was standing right in front of Megan Fox's image so it's completely hiding Megan Fox and where she put like the text box it was completely hiding Megan Fox's even name in the movie poster.

That's shade. That is LaLagant Shade for sure. We were like, wait, shade. Okay? Then I'm like, could be, could not be, could be a coincidence like I always love to leave it you know until we know we don't know and then I did hear from a bunch of people that I mean Lala was fucking pissed Randall was fucking pissed um and fucking upset because you know how many media outlets pulled out once Megan Fox wasn't going to be in

attendance well I get that like that's why they cast her exactly that's why and I mean this all came to really ahead when MGK tweeted where he has like five minutes in the film. He tweeted if I don't talk about a film that I was barely in it's because it was trash

emoji. Oh. So maybe... So he publicly shaded the fucking movie. Then Amel Hirsch who's in the movie as well Instagram that tweet and said, hey man, I think you and Megan were fucking great in the

I have to disagree, but like all my love to you. So it became like a huge thing and obviously what I think happened with my respects to Corona and, you know, staying safe and everything is that MGK and Megan Fox are the buzz couple right now. They're big. They're wanted everywhere. They're a sought after power couple. And I feel like this film became like a joke to them.

there was the even clips of an Instagram live he did a bit ago that came that surfaced where he was doing like a live and he was like yeah I'm an actor and like blah blah blah blah blah blah and then he was like and I only do films I'm proud of and then he like looked at Megan and he was like accept and she was like no no no no no like she told him not to keep saying what he was saying so people are thinking he meant that but to me it's like okay that would be the really obvious thing like I think my thought of they think they're too good for it. You know, their heads blew up. So they just didn't want to come because it's beneath them. But then I'm like, that's majorly fucked up, right? That's like super duper like you're not going to be respected in the industry. Yeah. Why would anyone hire you again?

Right. So like was there beef? Did Randall do something? It's like kind of wild. I feel like this situation is one of the wilder situations. Yeah, I can't believe I actually was like not really aware of this because I, I just, this totally slipped my radar. But let me tell you, now I want to see the movie. So if, no, that's what I'm saying. I want to see the move too. Now I want to see it. Midnight in the switchgrass. So, yeah, that's what. What is the switchgrass? Is it like grass that switches? Like I need to know. I do not know. Ask Randall. But yeah, I feel like there was beef. And yeah, now that you're saying that about. COVID, it does sound like that's an excuse. Yeah, I feel like something happened behind the scenes because why would they just be like, oh, we did this movie, we got paid. It's probably

a violation of contract to do all of these things to like badmouth their movie. So I think something must have happened. And what's even wilder is they met on the set, right? Like, wouldn't you pay like a homage to like where you met your husband or boyfriend? And the second part is they debuted their relationship and kind of confirm that they were dating on a rand and la la la's podcast give them la la and rand or whatever where they were all like best of friends and super cool and talked all about their twin flame energy so i mean listen could she could they have come to the fucking premiere been fucking champs in five years from now say oh my god that movie was a fucking embarrassment sure like yeah but definitely

respect your craft. Like, yeah, Benefer had Gile and they're still going. Thank you. You know. I was going to say that. Like, yeah. Maybe Randall owes the money, money by Monday. I was like, maybe it's a both to situation.

I mean, listen, after when I started doing some research and there are a lot of interesting articles about what Randall does, I think there was like a Vulture article that he has this like model of uh straight to straight to vod movie vibe where you pay like a big actor to be kind of the face of it but then it's like shitty so bruce willis who's on the fucking poster was apparently in the movie less than m gk he was apparently in the movie for like two minutes which is a wild fucking this is why i have to watch the movie there's too many there's too much so if anything again i don't i mean i've gotten so much asage that we're like maybe it's all to get us to watch the movie and i'm like i don't think so

but I want to watch the fucking movie. Yeah, now I do. I'm like, oh, like what happened? The movie. Yeah, no,

Randall is definitely an interesting one. One we're going to keep watching. But yeah, that is, I could see it all being together to watch a movie. Because, yeah, I think there's probably a lot of curiosity,

more curiosity than like for his random like VOD movie with Bruce Willis. Like we're not with Bruce Willis. I think, I mean, he is, he's top in the charts. He keeps on posting about it.

it keeps on saying like we're number five number three he doesn't care that like the stars underneath the movie name are like one and a half he just like we're topping the charts and i guess that's how he can make more money but at the end of the day my personal thought is if i think it's unprofessional for mjk to tweet that especially if you want to be taken as a serious actor especially if you think randall's a fucking loser piece of shit like be nice of the people on your way what does my mama say be nice people on your way yeah because you might meet them on your way on your way On your way down. Yep.

On the way down. Yep. Yeah. Just be fucking nice. You know, be respectful. Even if you think the movie is trash, even now that you're on top of the world, you're being invited fucking everywhere. You did the movie.

You met on the movie. You got paid for the movie. Don't be a piece of shit. Yeah. It's weird behavior. You guys, you know I get nauseous in the car and I just can help myself from being on my phone, even though it legit makes me nauseous. So many people get seasick, motion sickness, all the things that suck about getting

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But I also, I'm just like, ugh, really. Like, I don't believe, like, I believe it, but I don't. like buy it. I can't explain. Like, have fun. Call me when you're done. Like, that's kind of how I feel about it. Because I posted yesterday when I saw the video of them walking in Capri with a gazillion people. I was like, oh my God, it looks horrible. It looks horrible. And like, you have money to like not do that. Be in a secluded. Yes. You have money to be like helicoptered in and out of like, and I wouldn't put myself in that situation if I was Benefer, 2.0. So even if it's for real and they rekindled and they're rebounding or whatever the

fuck, you could choose to not make it so public. But the fact that they want to make it public, especially after Benefer 1.0, which kind of ended because of a media frenzy, it's kind of wild, right? Yes. Yes. Like if they were serious, they would keep it under wraps and not be like performing their relationship. Like, okay, here we have a club restaurant in Santropay who is putting them on their Instagram with like the logo for the restaurant to be like look at like look at them here like it's so I'm showing it to you the audience can't see that but like can you DM it to me yeah like they they put their fucking like like logo I'm looking at this because I'm going

to go there on my vacation hopefully and I'm like oh my God like JLo and Ben were there But then it's like, did they work with this place to be like, like, why do you want everyone to know that's where you were? I thought that's like not what celebrities want. I know. I don't even want people to know where I am. Neither until after I'm there. After I'm there. Yeah.

Yeah. No, but that's what it's kind of and like the photos on the yacht. And I mean, the reveal was really hot. I love the new celebrity trend, which is to do a relationship reveal on the fifth slide of a carousel post. like Ariana, I think, from Bannerpup Girl's commented something really funny. She's like, I want to break up with Tom just so I can like debut my new relationship on like a carousel pose on the fifth slide. And it's so true. It's like boom, boom, boom, boom, you know.

And that's what Chrisel was doing when she wrote the J-Lo effect. Which I, it took me a minute too because I was like she could have just said pulling a J-Lo. But she said the J-Lo effect. Yeah. It needed some work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think any... It's a little tweaking.

No one at that company is like a copywriter, I would say. I mean, what they know to do is like the questions and the caption with Heather Ray Young loves that shit. What do you guys think of today's weather? To get like more engagement. Yeah. Like, oh, there's so many commenters. Like, yeah, I don't know.

Something about the benefir just like, I agree. I'm with you on like, I don't like, like, I believe things are publicity stunts, but I don't think they're like this contract for this term. Like I think it's more like, we know what we're doing. Like, I think it's more of like a handshake deal almost. Like, okay, did you, this is a very weird reference, but did you watch in Real Housewives Beverly Hills when Kathy Hilton started doing like those half sentences? And it's like kind of how like a mob boss would talk.

They just want you to like understand. Like that's how I feel like a lot of these relationships are negotiated. like, so we're going to, and then we're going to eventually and we'll see what people think about, you know, how it is. Like, you know what I just said. Yeah. It's also really quick, though. I mean, I know I don't want to be judging like timelines because like A-Rod did hook up

with Madison and like March and then there was time. But it's quick for it to become so intense. like babies babies celebrities are having like getting pregnant and delivering babies without us knowing you know what I mean since this pandemic like you could be private if you wanted to so even if your hypothesis isn't true and it's like real you could still keep it under wrap so the half sentence could also be like people are going to fucking die yeah exactly like or they're like it's going to be wild or like who knows what they say in their private conversations I don't think they're like, oh, you're really my soulmate and I finally figured it out.

Like, I think they're probably, like, they think each other, like, they have a history. They get each other. And like, who knows what Jalo's thinking in her head and who knows of Ben's thinking in his head about like the long term reality of this or like what they really want to get out of it? Or like, this, I mean, from her, this reflects great on both of them. Like it makes them, it definitely raises both of their stock. Like Jaila went from being cheated on to like resurrecting her like old. relationship that everyone was obsessed with. Ben Affleck went from like being unable to carry his

breakfast to dating J-Lo, who's like the hottest 50-year-old there is. So it's like, there's so much benefit for both. Benefit, Benefer, like, you know, like for both of them. That it's like, who knows what's real and what's fake? The other thing I've always thought about celebrities is that like that we probably have a hard time understanding, but maybe you kind of can get a shade of it from like constantly being DMed and like getting new followers all the time and like that like when you get a lot of likes and like so you I'm sure probably get like the stimulation that comes with like more attention all the time and like producing content and getting feedback all the time from from people normal average people don't get any of that like really at all

celebrities get an insane amount of that and they're also able to have like anything they want at any time. Like, when Justin and Haley got engaged, it wasn't like, oh, wow, they're so young. It was like, oh, they've had a whole life. And, like, now they're engaged. Like, I think as a celebrity, like, your threshold for, like, excitement is probably so high that, like, some of them might need to do this in order for it to, like, actually even be something for them. Because, like, they're so used to, like, this, I don't want to say it's, like, adrenaline, but like their standard of yeah it's like dopamine it's like yeah you're no you're a hundred percent you're what you're talking about is kind of like what i think jason beber was even saying

this in his documentary which is why he got his youtube documentary which is why he like you know had issues with like substance abuse is because try to like i'm thinking of the song lonely you guys listen that sound um is that feeling of like could you you imagine going on stage having a hundred thousand people scream your name like want to die for you and then going home turning on netflix right the fucking quiet no one's fucking dying for you in this living room right now like you're right i totally a hundred percent can see that and it's so funny because when i was planning our podcast and i'm pretending that i like really plan these things out um i didn't realize we had a theme of like PR vibes but i have another PR vibe for

you from this week before we're wrapping up is Paris Hilton. So a few days ago earlier this week reports came out that Paris Hilton was pregnant. I hate, you know, pregnancy rumors, but this sounded confirmed. It was page six.

It was L magazine. It was legit. Paris Hilton. I didn't even read the thing. I was like, got to pose, got to like being on the, you know, the new news, the new confirmed news. Shortly thereafter,

she releases a 10-minute podcast where she says she's not pregnant and she goes on to say that she thinks the rumor started because she went out to dinner. No, sorry. Yes, she went out to dinner and she said, I was wearing my Paris Hilton. I don't know what her lingerie line is called. I didn't even know she's fucking one. I was wearing my Paris. I fucking don't know.

She apparently has five phones. too, but she said she was wearing her Paris Sultan push a bra so she was insinuating that the reason paparazzi or whoever thought she was pregnant is because her boobs looked so pregnant-like, so

blossoming and I don't know, that that's what she was saying. She even mentioned the name of the bra and she said she's not pregnant but then we realized that her cooking show trailer for Netflix just dropped and she's filming a new

show about her relationship called Paris in Love. I mean, again, is this a media mistake? Because would media fucking publish? Zero. There's no way page six. I mean, like, there's no way that those, they're going to do that. Like, they need their reputation to be like as accurate as like they can be. So they're not going to like completely publish a rumor because her boobs looked a little

big one day. Like, okay, bigger theory. because actually Kathy Hilton did the most amazing live ever with Paris and Nikki the other night and she also like

put in a promo for Paris's show and then it made me wonder like was this entire thing all for Paris's show was actually a question that entered my mind I think we're thinking I think there's something bigger going on

I think the Hilton's have in the past three years or so hired a new PR lead and I think that we're watching, like, the family phase into a new place. Maybe it's partially driven by, like, these societal changes that we've undergone. But I think, like, the Paris documentary about, like, the abusive school and, like, showing

that she's, like, more than what people thought she was. I think that was, like, one, you know, leg of the strategy so that she can then get into businesses, like having a cooking show, like, you know, so. so that she doesn't have to be like this party girl DJ all the time. She got engaged. Like the pregnancy rumor definitely feeds into this like Paris settling down vibe. And then you have like Kathy who I don't know what your thoughts on her on Real Housewives Beverly Hills are. I love her on the show.

But like they're trying to create a certain impression about her like in total, I would say. Like not just via the show. But it seems like they're trying to build a profile for Kathy that's like. new, refreshed. And I think that there's like a strategy to all of this. I mean, it's just so what, like I said, I didn't realize that we had a theme. But this was definitely, I agree with you. I mean, it's sad for me to think it because I really don't think pregnancy should be. I mean, I love April Fool's. I will never April Fool's like pregnancy. You know what I mean? Like too messy. Maybe I did it when I was like 15. But it's like you don't do that. You don't do that.

especially Paris, you're 40 and, like, yeah, you have all the money in the world and you could probably do all the things and she'll probably get a surrogate. I think she even, you know, she said she wants twins via IVF, whatever. I still feel like that's something you don't mess around with. But I'm Jewish. So maybe for me, everything is like, knock on wood and like, I don't fuck with, I don't fuck with the gods. I, like, would never even buy, like, the nurse, like, I'm the kind of person who would keep the nursery stuff, like mostly in a closet.

it like yeah yeah so to me that's weird but again it's also weird that her explanation of how people ran with it and if there was i mean they said there was a source which we always want to consider the source but again the netflix show selling sunset you know the way jason and chriselle debuted the relationship selling sunset is coming back the way paris had a rumor her show is just the trail just dropped on on Netflix. But like what I always think about these things is like I agree with you with the dopamine and the excitement and the whatever and there's a constant need to like be in the buzz and be in the whatever.

It's also like Paris, you have like one million gazillion followers, obsessors, like fans. Like you don't need to stoop to that or even do that. But I mean, again, we can't be naive in this fucking industry. And I, I mean, this week just goes to show you, there is a lot that goes, as much as you were saying this new era of, you know, celebs putting out what they want to put out, they're still curating it. And it's not, you know, it's not off the cuff.

Oh, totally. But it's because it's from them, it gets a different people, like, there's one more barrier that people have to like think critically about, like just because it came from them. doesn't mean it's true or like a hundred percent true. Yeah. I mean, that's also where I think you have the difference between like a celebrity and an influencer. Because like you could have really, really famous influencers who are like well known and like really like household names maybe in like regionally or something. But the I think the difference is that there is like a long term strategy for these celebrities and like the image they want to craft they still want to be a little bit more distanced from their fandom like versus an influencer like who is like just kind of like one of the people but has a lot of followers and so everyone's watching them but like

so they're also kind of a celebrity but they're not like old fashioned celebrity but I do I think one day, like, the old-fashioned celebrity will be kind of, like, gone. We'll be boring, especially because, like, we do want, I mean, the world is moving towards a lot more of, like, you know, fast-paced. You see what you get. You get what you see. And we don't like this, like, curated fucking bullshit because we get onto it and we get onto it pretty quick because we're fucking savvy. And we have people like us doing the groundwork. Right.

Even when Addison Ray tried, like, to take that strategy, didn't work. work because everyone was like, why are you paying to hang out with the Kardashians? Don't talk shit about my girl, okay? So I didn't know you. Right. I did actually know you were an Addison fan. But yeah, no, she. You think she paid?

No, no, no. But I think that was like, I think actually maybe the Kardashians paid her. Yeah, for like a younger demographic or something. Yeah. Or maybe it wasn't a paid thing. Maybe it was just like, yeah. A mutual. like, oh, the half sentence.

Yeah, the half sentence. Like, you want to come hang out with us? And we can, like, you know, go on the boat. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, yeah. Like, I'll put you on my TikTok. Like, look, we're together.

And then everybody. My products will just be there. Right. And then everyone freaks out because we're not like watching them just do it. Like, we're seeing. Oh my God. How are they hanging out? Like, what happens?

it. Yeah. Like, we didn't watch them like make the plan. So. Right. Exactly. I'm down. I'm so down with your theories, Sammy. I can talk these theories anytime. I like love looking into like, you know, the things. It's what we live for, baby. One thing I do just have to ask you is what do you think about hilarious baldwins? What? I won out of it. I want out and I can't stop. We did. Didn't she say she's from Africa?

Yes. She said, okay. She's really, really trying very hard to prove that, like, you can pick your identity. And it's like virgin. She's trying to use, like, trans kids to, like, compare them to her. But actually, she's just really insulting trans kids. So. Do you think she's just stupid?

Like, should we give her that benefit of the doubt that she's just, like, stupid? um stupid plus insulated from consequences of anything like i don't think she's but but that's what's so wild like you're not literally there was such an uproar about you like you got so much shit like the fact that she's sticking to her guns like what i like to call committing to the fucking bit is every time like Amanda let go nobody cares like fucking like this isn't no it's fucking weird I don't. But then she'll post some, first of all, for me, any one of her stories, I have something to say about. Even like the breastfeeding and the two babies, it always looks like her boobs are two heads and the babies are two heads.

It's just like a lot going on and I'm fucking, I have breastfeed all day. So I love that. But I'm just saying like even that's a lot and like the seven babies and then her relationship with Alec and the fact that he like forces her to watch her film, his film. The whole thing. You have two weird people. Like, they're weird. Like, they're, I know you're saying she's not insulated from consequences, but, like, she still lives in her Hampton's mansion.

She's still married. She still has her kids. They're all healthy. They're all safe. She's still, like, like her, if she would get off the internet and stop trying to prove it, her life would actually be exactly the same. But what is she proving, like, this multi thing? I don't even think, like, I can't even believe she keeps on sharing the,

these IGTVs and like speeches and and infographics about the fact that you can like be a mix of things and you can choose kind of who you are and not every person is you know as they seem and I mean the fact listen I really want to believe and this goes back to other like I want to believe it was non-binary week and she was supporting like I really want to believe I really want to believe you know I don't want to believe that like I'm sure you But I don't want to believe that she's comparing herself to that experience, you know? I really. She is.

Like she actually. I really don't want to believe. Do you think she? That's what I was asking that day. I was like, is she? She doesn't like, I doubt she knows like anyone who's had that like type of gender experience to understand that like it is just so not comfortable. Like do you think she's like spoke like. I just don't think she under.

She really wants the public to believe that she believes her lie because I think she thinks she thinks that gives her more credibility than if she were just like, you know what? Like, I really fucked up. And like, I should have just said I spent a lot of time in Spain, not that I am Spanish. And what's with Africa today? She put the continent on her forehead. And she said she got a DNA test saying she was from, she's like from you nowhere. And then I was like, Europe. I mean, you said Spain. Now we're Africa. I was like, what is happening? My ancestor spent time here. It's like, but that doesn't mean you're from there. she is truly ridiculous person but do you find it a I mean it is offensive but at the same time

it's the wildest ride I've been on probably it's not offensive to me but it is offensive like I think like if I like I don't like I'm not insulted personally but like I do think what she's saying is offensive and like ridiculous yeah but I also agree with you that like they would have a fucking amazing reality show no I mean there is no and I know and I've heard that they need the money because like listen raising seven kids is not fucking easy so I'm sure they could use it anyway Sammy you are we could keep talking about all the fucking wild things with celebrities and pop culture so I thank you so much for coming on thank you I had a great time go follow Sammy at Sammy she got a fucking rad ass Instagram name so

fuck you thank you and I mean bitches is really the OG and has given me a lot of info, you know, to start my account. So thank you for that. And thank you so much. Yeah, you kill it. So I appreciate that. Women's supporting women. Yeah. Bye, babe. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast. And write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.