Not Skinny But Not Fat - SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR IS BACK, BABY!

Episode Date: March 21, 2023

The ever timeless, SMG AKA Sarah Michelle Gellar aka MOTHER, is on the podcast! After a long hiatus she is back in our lives and on our screens and the world is better for it! We discuss her new show Wolf Pack, how her marriage lasted so long in Hollywood, nepo babies, the Oscars, Pedro Pascal, Brendan Fraser, Hugh Grant- and more!!  Produced by Dear Media This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It is so good to meet you. I wanted to do your podcast for a while. Shut up. I don't believe you for one second. It's true. Jamie and I even talking about it forever. I'm hashtag honored SMG. But no pressure. What if I suck? No pressure for me. I was like, I was like, wait, I'm nervous. Like, I'm nervous because you're just really iconic. Everyone's obsessed with you. Your cultural phenomenon consensus. Like, I was trying to kind of do like a study on it before. I talked to like some of my gay friends. I'm like, explain to me your obsession because your popularity with the LGBTQIA community is also wild. Like your mother, your mother. How did that happen? I have no idea.

Honestly, I, like, someone was really funny because it all happened at once. It was like my makeup artist said, hey, do you know about this mother thing? And I was like, what mother thing? And he like, could casually mention it was like, no, I didn't know. And then when I got to London, it was just like mother, mother. And so I love it. I'm, I'm keeping it. I know.

I love it too. I saw you just, you're leaning in, which I love when people lean into things. You know what I mean? Like you, you just captioned one of your latest captions was, I'm your mom. The Megan Traynor quote, yeah. Well, the next thing is, would you do a TikTok? Would I do a TikTok? Like a TikTok, like a TikTok, oops?

Yeah, like, would you do one of those, like, no? How much work. I know. So you're saying you would never open a TikTok. I don't think so. I mean, that's like, I need like another meet. That's a full-time job. I know.

It's wild. I think I'm too old for it. I opened one and deleted one. I got so nervous. I, it's not, I don't think. It's for me either. I just, I feel like I would have to, it would have to be so cool. And like, Instagram's enough of a job for me that I can barely manage.

I mean, you should see my MySpace page. My MySpace page is a mess right now. Oh, my God. Where we've been and where we are now. So again, Sarah, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. Everyone's going to literally fucking die. I can't believe that you went on such a long break and you came back into our life. and it was like you were never gone, kind of. Do you feel that way, too? You know, it's interesting because

I was nervous. You always, you know, this business is tricky and you can take a break and have nothing to come back to. People have moved on. People don't care. You know, it's new generations. And so I think there was definite anxiety. And, you know, I was worried. I'm not going to say that I was totally confident, but the love that I felt coming back, it's just, it's immense and it's better than I could have anticipated. And so I'm almost glad I did that because I think that I appreciate it so differently now. Yeah. It excites me and I'm honored. I'm not scared of it. And I'm just, I'm so glad there was a place for me to come back to. So I wanted to know, like, with this comeback, is it like a decision that you sit down with your team and you're like, you guys, I'm ready? Or did it

happen kind of organically? No, it was very similar to that. It was like, right? I think it was December 2019. And I said, you know, I think that my kids are older now and I've taken some time after Robin passed away. It was just really hard. I had two kids back to back. They were young. And I just was like, everything felt happening so quickly. And I just needed to step back because all I'd ever done is work. And I did. And then I said, I wanted to come back. And then there was this very small global pandemic, which certainly put a little hamper on those plans. But again, it was worth the wait because I was able to sort of come back at my own pace. And it was like, you know, do revenge was the homage to cruel intentions. And I got to get my feet wet. And, you know,

I didn't want to do very much in it. They was sort of left up to me, like how long, how big a role I wanted. And I was like, let me just dabble and make sure, make sure that my kids are okay with me being gone. Make sure my household doesn't follow. Like, you know, all of those things that, I hadn't done. And then this very much felt like, you know, the homage to Buffy and yeah, so that's sort of how it happened. It's cool that you came back and you're doing things that are like related to everything that you've done. That must feel so cool. It's like curated to who you are. I'm curing it to my audience and what they want to see. I think that as actors, a lot of times we go one of two ways. We want to do the opposite of what we're known for, right? Or you

lean into it. And you say, hey, it's awesome that these people want to see me in these. Let's do it. Let's do it fun. Let's make it great. So during that time that you said you took the hiatus that it stemmed from having kids and I mean, I have one kid, people that have two kids or three. I'm like, how? It's not easy. But I read that that Robin passing away, Robin Williams, you, you did a sitcom with him. How did that impact your decision to step back? Grief is its own beast. You know, everyone deals with it differently and it hits you differently. But it just made me take stock and how precious life is and how short the time is. And, you know, in my job, we're away for long stretches or even if we're home, our hours are crazy. And I wanted to put my kids to bed and I wanted to volunteer at school and I wanted to, you know, drive them in the mornings. And my job doesn't allow that.

And I needed that time. And then they are now at an age. this is what happens with kids is they get to an age where they don't want you and need you anymore. Like they have their own lives and you're only a conduit to get them from one place to another. I'm essentially a very glorified Uber driver. And it felt like now I could, you know, manage both. It's still really hard. Yeah. I'm not going to say it's easy. And during that time, Sarah, like, I know that I get FOMO and you can help, you know, having some jealousy. It's human nature to play the comparison game, which like I really try hard not to do in my life. But did you feel during

that time, like you would watch movies or shows and be like, like, or did you, were you so whole with the decision that you made? I didn't in the beginning, which is how I knew it was the right decision. And when I started to feel that, that's when I thought, okay, I need to go back. But I also watched the business change a lot too. And streaming aloud for better schedules because I love TV. and 22 episodes is impossible, physically, emotionally, creatively, and streaming, you know, allows six to 10. Yeah, it's like you can still do that. So that was appealing to me. And also just watching the position of women.

You know, I grew up in it when it was still really tough to be a young female. And it's great that change happens, but I want to be a part of the change and that change that narrative. And now I'm in that position to do it. And it feels really nice. So I think they were all sort of that those were all the indicators that I was ready to come back. And how does it feel to be? Because like I see young people right now, right? Like TikTokers gaining 25 million followers overnight, becoming mega famous.

And I almost am scared for them. I'm like, you're so young. Like, are you going to be okay? And you were freaking young when you started. So how does it feel now when you're like a mother in all senses? And it probably feels so different. And the confidence that you have, you know who you are, like, what's that like? I worry about those kids, too, because overnight, fame is hard.

I mean, it's really cool. I'm not going to sit here and tell you like, oh, fame is the worst. There's parts of it that suck, but there's parts of it that are great. And to have that success overnight and to not have, to have, how you get it is so different now. And it's also fleeting because the trend, you know, changes. And you're not with that trend. It's not the same as like having, you know, a TV show that people love. Like, I do worry for some of these kids and, and how they're going to manage.

Some of them, I mean, I think it's always great to have. If you're a creative person, you have to have creative outlets. And I love that there are so many outlets for that. I'm just glad that all this didn't exist in my day and age. You know, I always joke that, you know, when I was that young, us weekly was like a monthly movie magazine that you shot the cover of. Like, it was not, you know, and now. you go from those magazines to blogs to every, you know, it's just, it's a lot of content.

And I even watch the young kids on our show and I feel for them because there's this expectation that they're going to be documenting all this contact and making these videos. And they're just trying to be the leads of their first big job. And that's a lot of pressure too. Yeah. So is the pressure on them from like people that are making the show or they feel the pressure themselves? I think there's an expectation, you know, from digital outlets for all these

shows that they're going to do that. But I think it's also, they know that's how their brand gathers. And it's, it's a lot of work. And how did you, like, you grew up in New York, right? Yeah. Which is so cool. I'm in New York. But you go up in Riverdale, right? Okay. Work too. Okay. Yes. I went to Beacon in the city. It's like a liberal. Where did you go? I want to be a prep. Okay. And where did you grow up in the city? in the city. But I grew up in the rent control department. Did you, do you think having a single mom attributed to kind of who you are, like you've always been kind of responsible, you somehow got out of like the child star,

you know, trap, right? I was just talking about this with someone today. I wasn't a child star. I was a working actor. And being a working actor in New York is very different than being even a working actor in LA because I always say in New York. what's interesting is that there's so many diverse businesses. Being an actor is like, okay, fine, but there's publishing and fashion and, you know, there's Wall Street. There's like all

these other businesses. In L.A., it's like a one job town. It's like you're, you know, you can be a dry cleaner, but you're a dry cleaner to the stars or you're the dentist to the start. Like, it's all very around one business. So I just think you just, it's not everything about entertainment. That's so true. That's another reason why whenever people are like, are you going to move to L.A., and I'm like, I like, I like, like, I like, like, New York is far, like people think New York also has that energy, but it has a different energy where you can kind of be in it, where you want to be in it, like working, but you can be out of all of the other things that are that are about it. Do you miss New York? Because I know you do

live in California now. I do. I, you know, the pandemic was really hard. It was the longest I'd ever been without going back home. I always say home because home is New York, home is L.A. to me, they're both equally home. And so that's been hard. I honestly, I don't miss living there full time. It's a tough. It's tough. You know, especially with kids, it's tough.

And, you know, although L.A., this rain has just been, I, as right before we on the phone, I was dealing with three new leaks in my house because no matter how well built your house might be, L.A. was not built for these rains. And when I call the, the contractor, I'm like, look, I know I'm like the eighth phone call you probably had at 6 a.m. this morning. So this isn't an emergency, but just no, we're legal. can you hear really you know so don't you miss like an apartment building you call the super he'll come right up i mean there's something about that right that part i do miss i you know the thing i missed

the most about new york is that you get more organic time with the people in your life because i mean this is a dumb story but i always say it would be like because after buffy freddie and i moved back to new york for about 10 years and you know it would be 11 o'clock at night and i'm like i want a snapple and he'd be like okay let's go and you go together and you walk across the street and you get a snap, like, whatever it is that you're craving. Here, it's like, you can have that, but then it's like, are we both going to get in the car? Am I even going to bother getting in the car? You just don't have that.

And that spontaneous of running into people where you're just walking on the street and all of a sudden you see friends and your whole day changes, like that, those aspects of it. Yeah, it's really nice to just walk out of your house and you have like a Chinese restaurant, a bank, a dry cleaner, like you don't have to get in your car at all. Wait, so were your kids born in L.A.? or in New York? No, they were born here. We kept our apartment until my daughter was like two. And then we realized that being by coastal is not really a thing when you have kids. Like it sounds really cool. But in actuality, it's not, it's really not doable. And, you know, L.A. just afforded an easier life with the kids. And it just seemed to be. But we utilized. We live down by the beach. We're not like in Hollywood. It's, you know, it is a little different over here. But I remember the first time I took both kids back to New York than myself. I think my son was like, four months old. And we had this like perfect day in New York City where it was just like unseasonably warm. And he was in the stroller and we went to Central Park. And my daughter like went

on all the rides at Victorian Gardens. And then he slept right through it. And I was like, I'm coming back. Like this is amazing. Like this is great. The next day, pouring rain. My daughter wanted to hold her an umbrella, which was a disaster because like it was going everywhere. My son had never seen the plastic on a stroller and was like freaking out, did not want the plastic on a stroller. Then I was like trying to get on the subway and I realized something that I'd never thought about in my entire life is how do you get down a subway with a stroller? And mind you, I had like an L.A. big stroller. I didn't know about like umbrella super light strollers. So I was like trying. And I was like, okay, this is really hard. You guys, it has been such a fun time for

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So it wasn't all encompassing. It was when I was a teenager that I realized, oh, wait, this is actually like, I want a career. This is what I want to do. But I didn't, I didn't really have that realization that that was what I saw for myself until, I was about like 12, 13 was when I realized like, oh, this. is what I want to do with the rest of my life. Because that's, I think, when you start thinking about it. I mean, good for you.

I mean, I didn't fucking know. So how did you, how did you start like kind of creating it for yourself or going towards that, I guess, towards that goal? Well, I think it started when I took the job on all my children. And that was like a really adult. That was my first adult role, adult responsibilities. You know, you're not treated like a child. I had to manage school somehow on my own, but my hours were hours.

Like, it's not like it is in L.A. where like, you put the kids out, like, okay, quick. you have two hours, they have to get off the stage. It's not like that. So I think that was like the start. But how do you even get an audition for all my children? Like how does that you get an agent? Like how did you do all those things? I got an agent by accident when I was five. I was eating in a restaurant. And so I was in a play date and some woman came up and was like, your daughter is really cute. They're like, oh, she's not our daughter. And, and they're like, oh, she's like, I'm an agent. You know, I put kids in commercials and movies. I was like, my phone number is

two and two and eight things like, like, give my phone number. And my mom got a call and was like, what did you do? I'm like, oh, I'm going to be on TV. My mom is a joke. And it's not like on the internet now where you can just like look it up the person and go, oh, this is actually real. Like we had to do research and whatever, but it turned out it actually was legit. And that was the commercial that you got? No, that was an agent.

Oh, that was the agent that you got. Okay, I got you. Oh, my God. That is a crazy story. I feel like those stories don't happen anymore, right? Well, with the kids, for sure not. That would be creepy today to come up to a kid. Well, I think it's different now, too, because people know how to get into the, into the entertainment.

Like there's always, with everything online, I think it's just easier. So you had the same agent from when you were that young to then when you were a teen auditioning for Buffy? No, actually, no, I, when I was becoming a teenager and I really realized that it was like, this is what I wanted to do. Then I went out and I saw like an agent that had older people that like did more careers versus just putting a kid on business. And I am still with Joanne Colonna to that day, to this day still.

she still represents me for when I was 12. Wow. That's amazing. Oh, my God. The things you two must have must have been together. Yep. It's been, you know, I went from being a child to being in it, to be us becoming friends, like as adults.

And I mean, now she's my manager. She's not agent anymore. But still, we've been together ever since. And I wanted to talk about do revenge because I was unhealthily obsessed with the movie. I thought it was so good. Like, you were amazing in it. Maya Hawke. is incredible. Cammy Mendez, like, I, I fell in love with her in this role. And it was just so

good. It had, like, just perfect pop culture references. And it just, like, was really reflective of, like, life right now is like a mirror. Tell me how that happened. Like, I know the director and the creator came to you and, like, wanted you to be part of it. Jen Robinson, who has now since become one of my best friends, like, we absolutely were meant to be together. Oh, my God. was a cruel intentions fan, and they were joking about, like, who they could cast in the movie. and she was like, oh, I'd do anything to put Sarah Michelle in this movie. And they're like, well, let's try. And there was no role.

And my agent's called. And I wasn't really totally working yet. And they said, do you know who she is? And I loved her movie. I had seen her show. Like I was like, I'll take a Zoom meeting. And we just like, on a Zoom meeting, we totally clicked. And she was like, I will write anything.

Like, what do you want to do? And I said, well, I don't want anything like too big. I'd love to like come in, choose some scenery and go home. And she's like, done. Done. And we talked about, you know, she loves cruel intentions. And we talked about like where Catherine would be now. What would she be doing?

And we had in one draft, you got her name at the very end. And the headmaster's last name was the name from the original Layla's on the stage or the original book. But we took it out because it's a little too on the nose. But we did have it in for a little bit. Oh my God. That would have been cool. I mean, I get why because it's like, right.

Like stop throwing it in our face. We get it. I mean, the thing is you've got it. I think that was the thing is, and it's, it's cooler to be the headmaster. Like, I like that she doesn't have a name. That's one of my favorite parts of it. It was such a cool role and everyone was so excited to get that snippet of you in it. So how long did that take to shoot, for example?

I was there for a week, I think. A week? That's a long time. See, you guys. It's so hard. Well, no, I don't know all of it. Well, I think I probably worked two or three days, but it was, you know, you do costume fittings.

And then, you know, we'd, You have to, like, meet everyone and, like, do a little camera test. And then we shot all the office scenes in one day. And then we had all the party stuff another day. Did you love working, like, on this movie so much? We just had fun. Like, Jen and I had, like, we could do things that were ridiculous for some takes. Like, the costumes were ridiculous.

I got to work. I mean, Cammy and I had a great time. I adore her. I really got to know Maya afterwards. And I'm unhealthily obsessed with Maya. Like, it's not even funny. Like, it's, I have a total girl crush on. Maya knows.

And, but all of them, Talia Ryder, like, that girl's going to be a star. Oh, they were so good. I kind of want to watch it again now that we're talking because I watched it right when it came out. It was so, so good. I also read that you kind of are talking to Maya Hawke because Charlotte, your daughter wants to be an actress. Yes. Unfortunately, yes. But I just feel very strongly that, you know, and it's hard because I was a child actor,

but I didn't have two famous parents. And I think that the expectation that's on that is so different. and the lens that it's looked at through right now and you know every other cover is nepo baby and I just want her to be a fully formed person and and have that confidence and so I let her but I don't want to keep her from it if that's her passion so what I do is like for do revenge we didn't even have a nanny at the time and so she came with me for the whole shoot and sat on set and watched and helped out Jen and got to learn and that's what Maya said her parents did too is that she was allowed like they didn't hide her from it she just wasn't in front of the camera until she had finished school and then decided that was the path she was taking. Were you scared, like, as she was growing up, that she might want it? Yeah, we've tried to talk her out of it, but she seems pretty bent on it. And then I thought, oh, this is great. I'll take her, you know, for a week of night shoots and we'll see that.

You know, she'll hate it after that. And it's totally backfired. She was totally awake. She thought it was great. She loved seeing the sunrise. I was like, yeah, this is not. This did not work for me. And are you really going to keep her from being on screen?

I mean, Jack kept, can I give her one line and do her, and we'll pack, I was like, nope, nope, nope, because our costume designer has a daughter who's the same age and he always puts her in the movies and the girls are really good friends. And he's like, can I just put them in one scene together? I was like, no. Is she mad at you about that? Like, is she like, Mom, I hate you. Yeah, pretty much. You were so strong. I would so not, when I read that you said that, I was like, damn, she's strict. Like, you really are standing, standing your ground. Like, I love. love that. Because I know it's what's best for her. And so, yeah, sometimes do you want to give in to make it easier and you think, like, well, what would one line do? But it sets, it just sends the wrong message and let her earn it on her own when she's ready. And that's, I think, and then I think you feel better about yourself. I mean, I think that Maya has a sense of self-confidence because, yeah, she knows she got in the door because her last name is hot. For sure, she knows that. But she has the talent and

the knowledge and experience now to back that up. And I think that that comes later. Yeah. And I also think then by the time Charlotte's 18, everyone will totally be over the Nepo baby conversation. Or I'll just stop working and just put her in for me and all my jobs. No one will ever know. We'll just like. But will you help her? Like are you trying to kind of plan for the future? Like what's kind of your, will you make the effort to help her? Like if she still wants to do it at that point. You're the first person to ask me that. Because I'm interested.

I mean, I won't. I want her to earn it. I'm certainly not going to like be like, okay, you're on your own. You got to figure it all out on your own. You know, I can help her get an agent or do those things. But the truth is she could do that on her own. I'm sure. Yeah.

But, you know, I'd rather her earn the jobs than put her in jobs that I'm in. Because I just think it's not fair to her. Yeah. Because it's like you want her to be actually good. And feel good about. that she earned that. Yeah. There are a lot of actually,

like young actors that have spoken about the Nepo baby thing. Some seeing their responses was like, okay, don't get all defensive, but some were what you said

about Maya. Like, I get it. You know, I get that this helped, but no one can take away the talent. And there,

I mean. It's really fair because like if your family are all lawyers and you go to law school and graduate and they put you at your dad's firm, I'm like, that's normal.

You have a family of doctors. Like, do medical schools love a family of doctors? And like the last generation went to medical school here. And now maybe they get into the school above someone else because, sure. But it's, that's in all businesses. And so I do think it's a little bit unfair to have this conversation solely based on modeling and film and television. I know. It should actually be the last industry it's talked about because, like, it's more vain.

Do you get what I mean? Like, you should care more if there is a doctor operating on you that, you know, you know, got it through his dad. Not if somebody is like, you know, in a TV show. If you're Cindy Crawford is your mom and you have those jeans, by the way, you should be a model. Look at like you're perfect. Like, you should be. Yeah. Oh, my God.

She decided she was going to be a doctor. We'd all be, oh, what a waste, right? Like, it would be the other conversation. You'd be like, she's so gorgeous. Why does she not want to do that? Yeah. And what about your son, Rock? is he, how does he feel about the industry? Zero interest. None. He likes going to,

although he did ask him the day, he's like, if I'm a director, does that mean I'm the boss? I was like, well, not in TV. He's like, what about film? Well, a little more in film. Yeah. He was like, so I think he's only a catch about being the boss. Yeah. So he's like, hmm, something to consider. But I think he could be the boss in any job. He'd be like, okay, I'll do that. Listen, we cannot mention the fact that your couple goals, you and your husband, Freddie Prince Jr., which like, you know, the amount of times I posted both of you, like it's just, it's like a reminder, they're still married, that doesn't happen in Hollywood. How much pressure do you feel when you're like one of the only survivors of 20 plus years? I guess I don't, I don't really look at it that way, you know, like marriage is hard and it takes work. and you have to work at it to make it successful.

And we live in a very disposable society, right? Things break, you just throw it out now. You get a new one. You know, people don't want to work. But I think that it's, I have my friendships also that long, too. Like, that's just the kind of person that I am. It's why my manager's been my manager since I was, you know, 13. When I'm, I'm fiercely loyal and, you know, he's my biggest supporter.

I'm not going to say it's easy and roses every day, right? because everyone knows that's not reality, but I mean, we're lucky. How did he feel about you going back to work? He's like, girl, get out of the house. He was really supportive and it's been such a positive experience. Like, not all of my experiences have been as positive. I've gone from one positive experience to another really positive experience.

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It's not, like, cool and casual. Once you're inside, it's super relaxed. That's what's funny. But I see all these things, like, people, like, want to know, like, about all the appetizers that, like, there's no food. There's in and out burgers. There's never food. Yeah. There's a pizza bar and there, I mean, in and out burger was good.

Let me tell you, that nothing's better than being in a gown and eating. I mean, only than it would have been better would have been if it was a shake shack burger. Oh, you like shake shack burger. That is controversial. I like shake shack better. Okay. Damn. Like, you know, do you know the Red Vines Twizzlers thing?

No. So that you can tell what coast people are from based on what you're a Twizzler person, right? I like Twislers, you're from the East Coast. We like Twizzlers, Red Vines or California. Red Vines taste like wax to me. People out here think I'm crazy because they only like red vines. And they're like, and you can't even use a Twizzler as a straw, but I'm, it's try that out. You can literally tell where someone's from based on which candy they choose.

Or if you know where they're from, just like I did, I can tell you which. well first of all i have to try red vine because maybe just to see if i if i match probably afterwards you'll be you'll be like i'll throw up so obviously i mean that night probably seems so pressureful somebody just told me that like you get arrival times right so what was your when did you have to be there 10 i was it was i had a good one you had a good one i heard of people that got there at like midnight yeah no no i had i had like the last arrival time before people start coming from the ceremony Because there's like the, those time slots are all the people that come from the ceremony. Then there's the dinner before, which I've been to, which is lovely.

But I was too busy driving my children to Torrance for a birthday party and Chevy at Hill. So like opposite ends of the earth for I spent my entire day driving back and forth to dance, to basketball and to birthday parties. Wait, so I have to ask though. You don't have help? Not on the weekends. Oh, on the weekends. Oh, they have done on the weekends too. That's so annoying.

I have to ask for help from people. But, I mean, we don't know on weekends. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's wild, especially in California, you have to drive so much. Okay, so tell us, you go inside. Did you go by, Freddie didn't come with you, right? I went with a friend. Oh, you went with a friend. Okay, because that's what I was wondering, the people that go by themselves, like,

they just come in and they start mingling, right? Yeah, but there's usually people there that you know. I mean, I got lucky that I had a plus one, but even still, you would, you're fine because you walk in and you instantly find people that you know there. And you and Brendan, are you guys friends since you did that movie in 2007? Before, we did that movie together because we wanted to work together. But we've known each other a really long time. So my manager that I've had since I was 13, Brendan has also had for eons and decades.

And so that's how we initially met. Oh, my God. Wait. Oh, my God. That is so before. So your movie, the air I breathe was in 2007 and you knew each other even from before. That must have been so special. I saw you posted him all over your Instagram.

You must be really proud of him. It was an incredible night. It was deserved. He's had more ups and downs than anyone with that kind of talent should ever have. And this was incredibly meaningful for him. You can really tell, like, how meaningful it is to him. And that's why, I mean, again, he's one of those people that everyone's rooting for. It was a good night for the Oscars because I think all of those winners, everybody felt like had earned their spot and earned it.

And it was great for women. to not, you know, that, that women over 50 are still, like, viable and important. It was great for someone like, you Kuan, for people, like, to not give up. Just it, you know, it's like, it happens. Oh, my God. Curtis. Like, I, I said to Freddie, I was like, well, she had to have been nominated for fish called Landa.

And he was like, no, she was not nominated. This was our first nomination. I'm like, how was that even possible? Like, it just seems, it seemed to, well, it seems wrong. I know. I, that's what I wanted to ask you about before because, like, Pedro Pascal, did you see that bit of him where they were like, Sarah Michelle Geller knows like who you are, remembers you and he freaked out.

It was so sweet. That was such a weird moment because I didn't know when I posted that, I didn't know Mandelorian was premiering that night. It was just random. And so it gained all this traction and they were showing it. I was like, I hope he knows that like I didn't do that because we spoke afterwards. But I was like, I hope he knew that like I didn't do it because of that. That was just a random.

thing, but I didn't, I didn't see him on Sunday night. Was he not there? Do you just? It's a, it's a big party. Like, there's plenty of people that you realized afterwards. Like, oh, I missed you. I didn't see. Like, one of my really good girlfriends was there.

And I didn't know till the next day when she posted a picture. And I was like, how did we not see each other? Well, the thing is about him and you and, you know, Jennifer Coolidge and Jamie Lee Curtis and Michelle. Oh, like so many actors, you know, that are over 40 being celebrated now is like so incredible to see that it's like, it makes me so happy. And sometimes I do want to ask the question, like, because I know I would be a bitch in this way. I'd be like, about time.

Like, you know, but I feel like everyone's still so appreciative. And they don't have that ounce of ego of like, yeah, I've been around. Thank you for waking up, you know. They're just appreciative that finally they're getting the recognition they deserve. That's interesting. I mean, I think, look, it's a hard business. It's a business predicated on look. It's, you know, talent is important too, but we like, we'll be honest, you know. And I think for so long, you know, they always say like men get distinguished, women get old. And it's okay for men to have younger co-stars. And, you know, I just think it's important to understand that there's value. And there's, like, I know my performances are better now than they were when I was younger because of my experiences and my knowledge and just my self-confidence is really different.

I do things now to please me, not to please other people. Yeah. And it changes your performance and your outlook and, you know. Yeah. I, no, it's very, it's very true. I, I love watching these wins, like for Jennifer Coolidge as well, seeing her success. She's awesome. I did see Jennifer on Sunday night.

We had a good catch up. She's just, again, and it seems to be really happening to the really nice people, too, which is important, you know, the people that are appreciative. And I think maybe that's why you're not seeing the, like, bitch, wake up because those people, people are probably canceling or just don't want to deal with. Right, right. It's happening to the people who, and also the people that, you know, persevered and didn't give up and really wanted this so bad that they were like, I'm going to keep doing it, even if, you know, I'm not getting the huge, the huge wins. People that in this business that you just don't, you can't ever give up if it's your passion because it can happen anytime, anywhere. And you just don't. know how of that. I mean, it's like, it's amazing because you just never know what start something. Exactly. So you have to do it because you love it and not because, you know,

you'll get more followers or accolades. I want to talk about Wolfpack, which is kind of like a Buffy revival. So I read, well, not revival. It has homage. Omage. So you first got the script and you were like, no, no, no were a wall is for me. They sent me the script. And I was like, guys, I don't do wolves. Like, no, thank you. And they're like, fine, we get it. It's a really good script. And you should just read it because Jeff is a really talented writer and you guys have a

similar sensibility. And I was like, okay, fine. Like, totally, I'll take a meeting with him. So I read the script and it was really good. But I still had no intention of doing it. And we started talking on the Zoom. And one of the things that I really, I mean, among many that I lived about Buffy was the monsters were the metaphors for the horrors of adolescence, right?

We were telling a bigger story, but we were using monsters. And sometimes supernatural really does allow you to tell the most human stories. And what Jeff was doing was sort of that modern take, discussing anxiety, isolation. Like, I don't think if this script had come to me before COVID, I might not have been even as connected to it, but understanding how important having your pack is for everybody at any age, right? That's how we are allowed to be our most authentic self, are like, feel confident to take. the risks do, you know, the things we never thought we would do. And the fire backdrop was crazy because, so it's based on the 405 fire, that's what they call it. And we were evacuated in that fire. We got the 3 a.m. knock on our door. You have an hour to get out. Didn't help me to a house

to come home to. Thankfully, we did. A dirty house. A house. And I loved sort of the idea of what this is doing to the animal kingdom and, you know, a sort of a cautionary tale of environment and what happens when you disturb a predator. It's pretty, like, it has a deeper meaning, and it's just also really scary and really fun. So did they know that what they wanted your role to be, the arson investigated from the beginning? Yeah, that definitely was like,

Jeff tells the story that they were like, well, who would be your dream for it? And he said, Sarah Michelle Geller, and he said, well, let's try. And he was like, why would we even waste time? He's like, because you don't ever know. And I guess on that one, you know, they were right. And it just, it allowed every,

And I got to, you know, do it all. I got to get the fun lines, do the fight scenes, you know, but also not have to be in every single scene and carry all of it. It was like the perfect job. And what was it like working with these? We talked a little about this before, like these young actors, do you feel like protective over them because you were that girl? Very much so.

And the boys, too. I mean, I feel extremely protective of them. We got very, very lucky because these are five. And I say five now because it's four in the beginning. And then there's a fit. These are really good kids. And these are kids that have worked. hard to get where they are and they're appreciative. And, you know, and if they get too big for

their britches by season three, I'll remind them, I'll put them back in their place. But right now, they're just, they're great. And people always say, like, it must have been so great. You and Rodrigo had so much to teach them. And the funny thing is, like, I had a lot to learn from them. Like, you have to do it both ways. Just their enthusiasm, they're the way they approach things. Like, there's a lot to take from that. Do you give them, like, acting notes as well sometimes? Well, as the producer, I'm allowed to. Yeah. I'm entitled.

You're like, any, I love getting notes from other actors. I don't call them notes. I call them ideas. But like, you know, sometimes like you have a line and it's just like not working and I would turn to wherever you go and say any thoughts. And we'd be like, yeah, why don't you do? That's like part of the fun process of what we do. So speaking of notes, I have to ask you your thoughts on this.

I don't know if you saw it, but at the Oscars, because I know I've read a lot, you know, you've said that when you were younger, you were advocating for your yourself and your friends and your peers actually said the same thing about you. You were advocating for like set hours and things that that mattered, but people considered you because of that difficult or whatever. And today it's like goes without saying that that actors should should demand and anyone that's working in those conditions. So there was this interview that I don't know if you saw. Ashley Graham interviewed Hugh Grant on the on the carpet. Did you see it? Okay. So people were saying there's two sides to it. It's like Hugh Grant, you know, that's who he is. He's just

a grump. Then that's his vibe. He like doesn't like these kinds of silly questions. Some people are like, he's, he's an asshole. And the reason why I thought of the taking notes, because I then saw an interview with him where he said that Drew Barrymore once gave him notes. So he like hates her. Like he literally said that. So now I'm interested if actors like give notes. I wonder when I saw, I saw it later. I saw it. I was on James Gordon yesterday. And he did like a little. bit on it. I also wonder if that's just his British humor. There's a part of me that thinks he actually knew what he was doing and he was kind of being funny. Like British humor is different than American humor and like the whole thing of like, what are you wearing? And, you know,

he's like my suit. I mean, I'm sure five stylists died when he said that because they were probably like waiting for the mention or the designer or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I should ask, I mean, I don't, I don't know Hugh personally. I think he's super talented. I think he might have been being funny. I know. I'm with you on the suit, right? But the only thing that got me was the eye roll at the end because I would have died.

Like if I was her and I got like a eye roll from Hugh Grant. I didn't see. I don't know if I saw that. So at the end he rolled his eye. Yeah. At the end he was like, like he gave back the mic and he was just like eye rolling up the, yeah. And I was like, if I was her, I would crumble inside of myself. But a lot of, you know what a lot of people are saying?

not only the British thing, people are saying, you know, he, he's above it. Like, he thinks this shit is silly, you know? But, like, when he wearing, like, you're going to go part. And he made the reference to, like, Vanity Fair, like, the book. And she thought he meant the after party. So that was also a thing. It's the book. It's hard.

It, it can be a lot. The Oscar Red Carbett is intense. And maybe she got him at the end. I mean, there's always, it's always hard. because it's so easy to read into something and none of us know, like, did he someone in this, I don't know, you just never know what's going on behind someone. I mean, the eye roll probably could have, like, I mean, that could have hurt her feelings. And, you know, even if you felt that, I've had plenty of interviews where I've wanted to roll my eyes and it's taken all of my power.

But maybe, I don't know, maybe you do, I mean, I do think what makes a great interviewer. And I thought about this because there are, that is a skill set, right? And there are people that work very hard to do that job. So sometimes you plug in actors or models and it's really not necessarily the right fit. But you always have, it's like know your audience. And so know who you're asking these questions to. And if you grant is not the, maybe ask him something like are, you know, you and Andy McDowell are reuniting, you know, maybe make it more about why he's here and, and know who you're interviewing. It's why Diane Sawyer is, you know, like there are people that are really great at that you know what else it's like don't you miss joan rivers i mean i do but again that's my new york humor

i know a lot of people and i've gotten accolades and and i've gotten ripped downs from her but she's honest i think i watched christian seriano a little bit and he's great because he's super honest when he does it he's like the next well he's trying he's trying this is what i could tell on the panel like he's trying to say like a truth like not me not joan rivers but like maybe that color isn't good, you know, something not mean. And the other hosts are like, I bet she looks beautiful. I mean, people are so scared today to say. Everyone's really scared to say anything. And I think that's unfortunate too, because we can't, we can't be so afraid to make a mistake because mistakes are how we learn. Mistakes are only a mistake if we

don't learn from it. I always say, like, failure is, we look at it in America, such a bad word, but like, it's the first attempt in learning, right? That's what failure is. So it's only of failure if you don't take that and come back bigger and better. And so it does worry me a little bit how quick we are to cancel people. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't, but another reason why I don't want my daughter to be famous this age. Like, we say dumb things when we're young, because we're young and dumb. It's really bad if five, six years later, you're still saying those things. But should you not get hired from a job because you said something dumb when you were 17 or maybe you grew up in a place and hadn't experienced the rest of the world and didn't know

what you were saying was wrong and offensive. I don't know. I do think that we have to allow for mistakes to allow for learning. Yeah. No, I agree with you. That is scary. If someone wants, you're out. Like, you don't need to, you don't need to come back from that one. Yeah. But do you let your kids have social media or are you, no? I didn't. Well, my son's too young, so it's fine. My daughter, we, she was one of the last ones. to get it. And Freddie and I really went back and forth about it because again, there's a lens on her that's different and nothing is private. We all know that. But this is the world that she also lives in. And if I don't teach her the skills on how to maneuver and how to use it, well, then I'm

not doing my job as a parent. So she has an Instagram now, but, well, it's private, but she's not allowed to post unless we see it first. And we go over who she follows and, you know, who, follows her and we've had conversations about, I think the really hard thing is the immediacy of it. Because in the moment we all feel things and we just want to say something and often it's a mistake. One of her friends recently was mad at a teacher and like, you know, went on Instagram stories and we saw it and I said to the LaBras, you have to be careful. I was like, because all you need is one person at school that sees it that doesn't like you that shows it to that teeth. Like you have to think like that. And you're not even that mad five minutes later. And so I do

think that we have to teach our kids how to responsibly use social media. Are you happy or bummed that in your time on Buffy, you didn't have social media? Wait, you got to say it louder. So Abby. Oh, happy. So darn happy. I could do a dance. Yes.

Yeah, I forget that it's like, because I feel like I'm talking to. I forget that it's also like people have to listen. Yeah. No, I had to think about that for a second because, because I know you had, you know, it was a crazy set. You've talked about this. It was hard as fuck. Like, imagine you got home and, like, tweeted. But that's the thing I probably would have been in an emotional state. And, look, there's parts of social media that I do like. I like being the author of my own story. I get to tell my version of things and share my version of things and people can hear my voice

and not just how someone perceives me. You know, the only time we ever told our stories, like, when I was younger was, you know, you do a magazine cover and you do an interview. But the journalists could come in with a preconceived notion and you could just be filling in those holes. Like, now I get to tell the story in my way. And so that part, like, and I, I do think I have amazing followers. Like, I have followers that get my humor and know that, like, this is what I'll show. This is what I won't show. And, like, you know, this is, this is me. And speaking about your followers, is it wild to you? Because with TikTok, as much as I like to make fun of it sometimes, things do get like, you know, new life.

Like Buffy right now, like kids know it because of TikTok. I'm super fortunate that the young, like I think about that too with my kids friends like when they'll be like, oh, we watched all of Buffy. I'm like, really? Like I'm, I'm not surprised.

I think the show is pretty exceptional. I think what makes a great show is when it doesn't matter what time period you're watching it in, but it still resonates and says things and means things, you know, to people. And I'm very proud of the show, like for, you know, forever.

But that cruel intention still finds an audience, that, you know, grudge people still come up to me. I still get, you know, it's. Wait, do you know with cruel intentions? There are two things that stuck with me, which are so, well, I know what you did last summer. Oh, that one's, that one's getting a whole new life, too. Like, and it's so crazy because, like, obviously the killer should be the most important part of it for me. but what I'm still traumatized by is when your hair gets cut

in the middle of the night. Like I often think about that scene. Oh, yeah. Because for a female with long hair, that is like the most traumatized and thing that could possibly happen. And like all uneven like that. I don't know.

Her big day, it's terrifying. I hadn't seen the movie in a long time and probably not since it came out. Like I really haven't, you know, because my kids were younger, like they're not going to watch it.

And my husband has a new podcast where they go over like horror movies. And so for his first one, they did, I know he did that summer. So he was watching it with his partner. And I was like, I came in like maybe 15 minutes in. And I was like, this is really fun.

Like I hadn't seen the movie in so long, but it's really fun. And then the other day, this is the best one. I came in the other day and my son was in my bathroom. And I have like a little small TV in my bathroom. It's like the one place where I can never watch television is like in my bathtub by myself. And I was like, what are you watching? And he's like, oh, you're about to get murdered. I'm like, what?

And he's like, look, the ghost face is going to take you off the balcony. And he was literally just watching. Like he was flipping channels and he came across Scream 2. and it was right. And I was like, how do you know this? He's like, oh,

I've seen this. I was like, what? Like, it was all shocking to me. And he's not scared? No, I asked him,

and Friday did too. He's like, you know, like, obviously you know, it's not real because I'm standing here, but like,

does it freak you guys? like, no, it's like, no, it's acting. Like, he did not. Like, my daughter would care. My son was like,

that's funny. Do you look at those, like, you know, the movies that you've done years back and ever criticize your acting? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Although it's funny, when I watched a few minutes of scream too, I was like, you know what? That phone scene is hard. And I actually was pretty happy with it. Like I watched it with like a different like a different eye the other day. And I thought, you know, like I would change that much. And that's, I don't think I realized how hard it is to have a scene like that by yourself. Yeah. Because most of those scenes are like, you know, Jade's scene in the beginning is like, you know, there's the movies. There's other people to interact with. You know, Drew's. Drew had that scene, right? The phone calls. And, like, she was great. And, like, but I'd never

realized one of these days I needed to ask her about it. Like, that's a hard scene. Are you not hearing anything on the other, obviously, like, you're not even hearing, like, a pretend. I heard a pretend, but I didn't actually have Selma. Blair. You know, it's Selma Blair on the phone. No, I didn't. It's Selma Blair, but I didn't know her yet. And they had to look at someone off camera reading lines, but yeah. That's so crazy. Oh my God. See, time literally flew. I'm so sorry. I obviously wanted to ask you about Selma Blair and your friendship and everything, but I have dumb questions to finish the interview with because I have to. I love a dumb question. Okay. First of all, I have to be honest and blonde for a moment and say that because my whole life, it was like Freddie Prince Jr.

Freddie Prince Jr. I never thought about like what his last name is. Do you get what I mean? It was like one name. It was like a Madonna to me. Yeah. Like yeah. So my name is actually Sarah Prince. Like my driver at Sarah Prince. So when I was thinking about this interview, I was like, wait. First I was interested to know if you change your last name legally. So now we know. I did. I like it.

It's such a better name. Oh my God. It is. I mean, both names are great. But Prince is such a hot last name. And Sarah Prince works. And also then it doesn't automatically trigger that it's me anyway. So it's like I get the best of both.

Wait. And you didn't keep the Michelle in for the driver's license name? Oh, my driver's license is Sarah Michelle Prince. but like it's funny sometimes like on an airplane ticket it'll come up there or like if I have to like go somewhere like a drive on and like they won't have Sarah Prince and it's like a whole thing. I don't have ID that says I'm Sarah Michelle Geller. It can be it can be a thing. But yes. Oh my God. Because then I was like your kids are Prince and Prince with a Z. I mean what a fucking cool ass name. It's good. Yeah. Okay. SMG. I could talk to you forever. You're amazing. I'm seriously honored that you came on my podcast. Everybody go watch Wolfpack. It's on. Paramount Plus. There are eight episodes out now. How many more episodes will there be in the season? That is it. That's it. That's a wrap. And do you know, do you know if there's season two? I mean, we have not had an official word yet, but I'm going to go with, I'm assuming it. I mean,

obviously there's a whole strike issue going on, but yeah. Oh, good. I love an optimistic queen over here. Everyone's always like holding crystals and like, you know, we don't know until we know. You don't know until you know, but I think the show is really good and fun and the fans have really reacted so positively. And especially I think with the finale, it's going to be like people are going to be really into it. So. And then it's nice because there's discovery afterwards, right? Like maybe you didn't watch it when it was coming out once a week. It's like now then there's like the binge part. So you get like, you get like almost like two viewerships. Yes. I love that. I love waiting with the show a little bit. So I don't have to wait that long for the next season and really die. Well, thank you again. SMG. Of course. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review.

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