Not Skinny But Not Fat - SELLING SUNSET'S CHELSEA LAZKANI: HER SIDE OF THE STORY

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Selling Sunset always brings the drama but this last season (7) hit different, especially since for the first time in all its seasons- the 4th wall was broken! Chelsea Lazkani joins me today to clarify what went down with the “alleged tea” Bre’s friend Amanda “brought on camera” about her husband (now ex). Did Chelsea already know? What scenes were set up? Did Emma know? Did Chrishell? How is Chelsea doing now? Would she come back to the show? All your questions answered!!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, babe. Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good.

I'm actually signing in from London. I just landed a couple of hours ago. I saw and I got worried for a second. I was like, oh no. I was like, she's in like, and then you're here. So I'm happy. Girl, I was like, I'm not canceling. I'm not doing that.

I want to have this talk with you. I've obviously seen that you actually like watch the show, watch the show and I've shared your opinion. So I was like, no, I'm not canceling. I checked the time before I left because I got books for a last minute job and, you know, wasn't going to turn down a bag. So I checked it and it was like 7pm and I don't actually get on to set until tomorrow. So I was like, perfect.

I can do it. 11 hours, no sleep. Talking to you completely going to be like have verbal diarrhea because I'm now like delirious. But it's totally fine. Wait, you're a modeling job? No, no, no, no. TV, something on TV. Oh, I mean.

Have you ever modeled? Because I feel like you're a model. Oh my gosh. No, never. Absolutely not. Not absolutely not. But no,

I don't really find myself like that photogenic, to be honest with you. Really? Yeah, I have to take like a thousand pictures to like one of them. So I don't think modeling is my thing. I mean, I feel like if the creative control wasn't in my hands

and somebody else was like, you have the look I'm looking for and they just captured and used what they wanted, I'd be okay. but as a person, I'm way too self-critical because I never grew up in the era of like, you have to look good, you just had to be smart when I was growing up.

You just had to be smart. What do you mean? What's the era, Chelsea? How old are you? 31. The era. I think it's because I grew up in London. It's just a bit different.

Yeah, like in what way? There's not much of an entertainment industry. So like I grew up wanting to be a doctor. And then I did my master's in Ireland, and gas. So I always envisioned myself being in the corporate environment, being in the office. I worked in corporate for a number of years where like today I barely put any makeup on. I just kind of just whatever, you know. So I didn't really, I wasn't hyper focused on the way I looked ever until like two and a half years ago. So that's why I mean like I didn't really,

I never grew up thinking, oh, I was pretty enough to be a model, oh, I could be on TV. I was always like, oh my gosh, okay, I have to climb. The proverbial ladder to become hopefully C-suite in work in a male-dominated industry, and it's going to be 10 times as hard for me, but I'm going to do it because I had the background and I'm going to get the experience to crush it. You know, that was my, that was, that was like how my life is going to look. Really? So you wanted to be, you studied oil and gas and wanted to be a doctor? So I initially wanted to be a doctor. I went to Argentina. I lived in Argentina.

for half a year I was doing some volunteer experience at some hospitals there when I was younger when I was about 17 or 18. Then I did my what we call our A levels, which is I guess maybe the equivalent to SATs. I didn't do the best in like science. So I did okay in like physics and chemistry, but my biology sucked so bad. So I kind of gave up my dream of being like a doctor and I went into, wanted to go into engineering economics. So I did my undergrad grad in economics and then I did my master's in oil and gas in oil and gas economics. And then I work as an oil and gas company. Okay. So we'll get to how that you became, you know, how we all know you today from the Oppenheim group as an agent, a real estate agent. But just for a second on Argentina,

really hot guys there now? Oh, I was so young. Yeah. Like, Argentina. Argentina. Argentina definitely has, like, the most attractive people's course. I just remember my Spanish was atrocious. People were, people were so nice. I was staying with a host family. So I was staying with a host family and nobody spoke, nobody spoke English. It was. And you had no Spanish and you had no Spanish.

So like, it's same as I have now, you know. Well, Argentina, that was my dream, too, to go to Argentina. But, like, my credits didn't work out. So I, so I was such a, like. goody too. She said, if the credits didn't like amount to what I needed, I was like, with the hot guys. So, okay, how did that happen? So oil and gas, you think you're going to be corporate. You said you weren't even interested in like beauty, clothes, all that shit. How did that turn into the Chelsea that we know today from selling sunset that's like literally so into

fashion, full glam, all that stuff? I think everybody is multifaceted. You know, we all have many versions of ourselves. So I'd be, I'd be silly if I didn't, like, admit that, like, growing up, I was the super girly girl that had the Barbies and was obsessed of fashion and was obsessed of glam. But it didn't reign supreme in my life. It wasn't, like, a main priority, but it was something that I was always so fascinated by my mom's, like, the fashion connoisseur, despite my mom being sea level, C-suite executive, 90% of her life, she's a fashion.

connoisseur. She, like, loves Hermes Bag. She loves, I remember when she got her first shale, she's always just head to toe, like, keeps it really clean, you know? So I grew up around a certain aesthetic. When I say aesthetics, I mean, like, dress how you want to be treated, I guess, maybe. So that wasn't, that wasn't career. That was just personal. You have to remember, like, for most people, the way one dresses is the way they choose to express themselves. It's not their identity or their lifestyle when you watch a show like selling sunset you very much see it's like oh my god that's their lifestyle no it's an expression and that's what it is for me up until this day but were do you dress like that off camera like with those i don't you had some bags i don't even

remember was it like a little phone bag that like nothing fit in it like you had some crazy some crazy accessories and stuff on the show sometimes it just depends where i'm going right Like, if I've got, I've got two little kids. So if I'm doing something with my children, no, I'm in the most, I love sweats. I'm in really baggy, comfortable sweats. I got a hat on. I just got off the pain. You know, like, I just got off the pain.

By the way, you, I'm such a dude right now, but you look so good right now. Like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, but see, I'm a dude. Don't you know how dudes, dudes are always like, I love you when you're natural and they're like so annoying. So that's me. But that's how I feel. Like, I feel like it looks so good. Like, you and that hat.

the tank top. That's me. That is me 99.999% of the time. I love fashion, but also fashion can be very uncomfortable. I think, to me, I came on the show a little bit later. So I had watched the show and I had recognized the things that I enjoyed about the show. So I leaned into the things that I enjoyed about the show. So when I watched the show, I was obsessed with Christine's fashion.

I watched it. I was like, she looked like my Barbie doll. Like, she literally looked like my Barbie doll, like my favorite Barbie doll. And she kind of did it better than my Barbie doll, right? I wasn't even paying attention to the storylines or the drama. I was paying attention to the real estate in the fashion. So I think when I came on the show, those are the two things I took the most seriously. Yeah.

Christine. Wait, are you friends with her? I haven't. I don't really speak to, well, I mean, I haven't spoken to her months. Like, I think to be transparent with you, I was cast on the show and they kind of put me and her together and our relationship existed beautifully in the confines and the construct of the show. I have never gone out to lunch with her. She's never been over to my house. I've never been over to her house. It was all like, you know, our relationship existed. When we're filming

we were the closest because we were like filming scenes together, producer, they, oh, you're going to lunch with Christina, okay, bet, you know. But we never had a personal relationship. And I think that was kind of like misconstrued from watching the show. Chelsea, you know what I'm remembering now? I'm bringing you back to people thinking your accent was fake when you first came on. Bloody hell.

But how does it, how did that happen? Like, how did that, like, how did that consume? Girl. I was thinking up, you know, it's so funny. It's so funny. It's so funny. You say that. Actually, say there one second. I'm going to show you something. She said bloody hell.

Okay. You guys, she's really British. okay oh there it is I just saw it over the corner so I don't really you guys she's showing me for those who are listening and not viewing she's showing me her passport that says United Kingdom of Great Britain that's so funny

how did that happen like people thought it was like too much of an accent like do you remember how that transpired? Yeah yeah I do I actually I actually remember and I was thinking about it today when you were looking at your passport. You're like somebody. Yeah, no, because I was coming, I was going through customs and I had to bring, I brought up both passports. So I've got an American passport. I've got a British passport. I actually have an Nigerian passport. I'm African as well. So I was bringing out two out three of my

passports and I was like, remember when those little shit said my accent was fake, but now I know why they did. It's fine. It's okay. When I started filming and I was filming with the likes of Christine, primarily, she has a very strong, like, I guess it's like a valley girl accent. She does the whole, hi, how are you? You know? It's so annoying. But she does the highlight. Oh, my friends.

And being someone that had never taken selfies, never been in the public space before, never been on TV, never had a camera in front of me. I think naturally, especially because I had lived in so many different countries growing up of Africa descent. I lived in the UK, lived in New York, I lived in Switzerland. I've been all about the gas. I kind of mimicked her tonality, you know, just because I felt like she was the most comfortable person on set that I had ever seen. Mind you, she was the first person. So she'd be like, my first scene would I be like, hooray, my name's Chelsea Lascarney. And I think about saying it now because I was just trying to learn what to do when the cameras are rolling. So maybe my

accent shifted a little bit. And then I think now if you watch the season, the more I got comfortable on screen, the more I just relax into my natural tone. You think that subconsciously, you didn't know you were doing it. You were kind of mimicking the scene. Yeah. I'm mimicking like, mimity, like I think it's a, it's actually a thing. People do it frequently. Like, if I go to Nigeria and I'm around a lot of my Nigeria friends and they speak a lot of broken English, I start having a bit of an African accent. Yeah. Because it's a dialect. I'm familiar with. So now that I'm in London, in about three days' time before I leave, my accent's going to be proper strong. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be proper strong.

The more I spend time with Americans, the more my accent becomes a little bit of more American, the more I spend time. So it's, it was just a natural thing, but it's almost like it wasn't a big deal. Like, like, it's like, it's okay. Like, it's not, it's not serious. Yeah. It's, the people that know me that, that, that, that, that are listening, know that I love different ways that people speak. Like, you know, I sometimes put on Valley Girl and people can get, like, upset with me because it's more fun. You know, sometimes it's more fun to speak in all different ways than just be like,

hi, Chelsea, how are you today? You know, like, you want to have fun with it. Like, play around, get crazy, get wild. We'll be right back after the break. I don't know if you guys know, but has. is a low-key fashion icon. And today he's obviously more toned down because he is Addae and Azade.

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And we're back. How are you doing? How are you right now? today I'm dead You look at it Oh my God Thank God we don't look like What we've been through Because if I look like what I've been through I would look like

You know one of those things that kids play with That you smash on the floor And it goes That would be me If we look like what we've been through That little ball That your big kids have And they're like

Oh my god mommy look at this Boing And then it's like Yeah It looks like Squidward's safe That would be my face If I look like what I had been to That would be me.

So thank God. So we know what you've been through right from the show. Like we saw it play out on this season of selling sunset. Lots of drama. I feel like going into it because of the drama on Instagram, we didn't know the season was headed this way, right? We thought the drama was more with the Emma stuff and Nicole. And we got a completely different season,

which was centered around, around you so from what we saw in the show we saw Bree her friend calling her being like

hey what's up I have some tea they meet the friend tells her the tea it's about your husband Bree is grappling

with whether to tell you or not you end up taking her to dinner to drinks and trying to

get it out of her and then she did what can you clear it up okay I'm just gonna be I'm just gonna make it

try to make it as concise as possible, just so, like, the listeners and the viewers can just really understand it in one streak, timeline-wise. Bree calls Emma and says she's heard something from one of her friends, an allegation towards my ex-partner. Emma calls me and tells me this allegation. I call Bree. This is all off-camera, mind you. I call Bree and have a conversation about 35 minutes long with her about the Syed allegation. You know, Brie was extremely caring, extremely warm during that conversation despite the fact that we had had times in which we had spoken, but we weren't super close.

You know, we had spent some time together of Halloween. We had had many conversations. We were working on our relationship, but we weren't super close. During that conversation, we weren't filming when this information was brought to me. when I had this conversation with Bree, we weren't filming. I knew we were about to start filming maybe in a couple of weeks. So I said to Marie, like, girl, like, cut the shit. Like, what do you want to do with this information?

You know, like, you're sitting here with me, that you're talking to me about this allegation because that's what it is. And you seeming like a girl's girl and you seeming like you really care because Bree's gone for a divorce. You know, she said her words to me was it was the most traumatic period of her life. So what do you want to do with this? She's like, Chelsea, I will never bring this to camera. Never going to bring it to camera.

I would never do that to you. I would never. For the first time in my life, like I said to myself, like, man, ever since I said about this woman's family, I'm sick. Like, as much as I apologize to her, I felt like I owed her even more of an apology because, you know, like she could have used that as an opportunity to be tit-a-tat with me.

And no one would judge her or question her because, you know, I did make some very strong statements against her family and, you know, you protect your family with every fibre of your being. So I really respected her in that moment and I thought this was the start of a really great relationship for me and her. We started filming and you could probably see that me and her were kind of cool, despite the fact that she was, you know, now when I watched it, throwing shade at me saying, I don't know if I'd come back to the office because Chelsea, la-la-la, she has her own little storyline in her head that she wants to to run with for her TV world, but that's fine. We were cool with it. Like there are many moments

that we spoke that you probably didn't even see old camera that we like bonded. We were cool. Now, I remember off camera, she was mentioning something along the lines of, you know, so what happened was we started filming, the first six weeks of filming, she didn't show up for. She didn't show up for the first six weeks of filming. I'm not sure the reason, but I know production were very like pissed they were angry and there were talks of like oh she was going to bring her partner on famous partner on screen so obviously production chew that up in a second turns out that didn't work out and she had said to i believe emma like shit she doesn't really had a storyline you know like she's missed first six weeks of the filming she doesn't really have a storyline so this is neither

here nor there, as far as I'm concerned, I'm just like, you know, we're all going about filming. Now, about a couple weeks after that, you know, I'm dealing with some real life stuff, some real life personal stuff, because you have to remember a couple weeks before that, what Brie has told me personally. You were told. You were told. You knew already. Yeah. So I'm dealing with some stuff personally, and I try my best in everything. And I know I get a lot of heat for being like, why don't you talk to your husband or screen? My husband does not get, my ex-husband does not get paid by Netflix. Netflix does not pay him. Netflix does not pay my household. Netflix does not pay my mortgage. Netflix do not pay my children. So when people

are asking whether or why this person is not seen on screen or that person not screen, people that you see on screen get paid, you know, that's myself. So I can't address someone that's not there to defend themselves or address someone that's not there to, it's not fair. and I try to protect that space as much as possible. Wait, Chelsea, can I just ask? So you're filming for those six weeks, knowing what you know, and pretending that everything's fine and normal? Well, I know what I know, but it's an allegation.

I don't have any, yeah, no, no, yeah. I don't have any confirmation whatsoever. This is my, someone that allegedly doesn't really like me, friends. Said that, right. Without nothing, with no substance, no nothing. You know what I mean? So did you even believe it at that point? Did you, were you seeking confirmation proof?

Were you, did you confirm your ex? To be honest, if you're like, I don't want to talk about what happened privately. But what I knew during that point in time was it wasn't an issue in my personal relationship at that point in time. It just wasn't. It wasn't something. It was something that I was. dealing with, but it wasn't an issue, put it like that. Because if it was an issue, if it was an issue, I've probably, anyways, just, I just want to be careful about speaking

about my ex-partner just because he's not in this public world and I just don't think it's there, you know, to bring someone that's not in a public world, public. As much as they already did it, I try as much on screen to, you know, respect the fact that, that my children will one day have to grow up and see a lot of stuff that only one of us chose to be in a public limelight and I just try to protect them. But nonetheless, okay. So we now continue filming and I'm lying in bed one day

and Emma calls me and she's like, Chelsea, are you by yourself? And I'm like, yeah, and she's like, okay, just take a deep breath. And I'm like, I pay. And she's like, Amanda just had a scene with Bree. And everything, Marie mentioned, Amanda said on screen to Bree at this lunch scene. So I immediately like start spiraling, right? I start spiraling because I've gone from filming a little bit with filming real estate. You know, I'm going through some personal things, but I'm trying to keep my life together.

I'm just trying to like navigate everything and now something that I didn't really know what was the situation on is now made it onto screen. So that takes place and I speak to production and they're basically, you know, they're obviously very happy. They basically let me know that three called production and said her friend, Amanda, has some tea allegedly on my ex-partner set up at scene. So at that point in time, obviously, like, I feel like I'm more just sad than anything because I was just like, yeah, like, y'all are bringing alleged tea to screen, like, stuff that, like, even true or fools, like, my marriage would never survive, like, never, you know? And then the thing is, right, so Brie had, she had made sense.

several comments. So obviously now, now I'm sitting down, right, which is, this is me, Emma and Crochelle on the sofa. I'm wearing the white Emma's in the middle of the shell's there. And I guess Emma knows what's going on. She understands the diner everything that took place and the fact that, you know, Bree had set up the scene and brought it to camera. I'm assuming because obviously she didn't like me there because of the things I said. But I'm also seen because she didn't have a storyline because her partner was no longer going to come on screen and they needed some whatever juice. But I'm sitting there and sorry, I haven't let you speak this whole topic. No, I'm, that's me listening. I'm, I'm, I'm so interested. So I'm sitting there and you

see me say cool, cool, brie, cool, brie, because Crochelle, Emma mentioned, she was like, Emma's like, well, don't you think this is kind of like weird that this suddenly came about? You don't think Bree had any hand in it, right? It's because when I had that first scene with Brie where I set up the scene for her to tell me, she had told me that the producers randomly called this Amanda girl. For whatever reason, when you're under so much stress

and pressure, you kind of just believe stuff that don't even make sense, right? So me, when I'm calm and collected, one plus one must equal two. So you're saying at the dinner, you believed her, at the bar, wherever you met, you believed the story? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't have to ask, like, as a viewer, as we obviously want to know that the show is real, right? And, and feel like we're watching stuff that is happening. it's reality TV, okay? At that, at that bar meeting, you already knew

but like we don't know as viewers that you knew. Yeah. But still that's, yeah. Did you have to do that? Could you have said, could you have said like I know already? You know what the crazy? You know what the crazy thing is?

I set up that scene because I've been, reality TV for, what, two and a half years now? They would have taken that story, and I may not be here today, quite honestly, because the way this reality TV works is, they could have taken that, put me at a listing appointment that I'll have been, have Amanda come in and shit on my face. Because this bitch is so desperate to be on TV.

Oh, she is. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying. She's got a venom for me, someone that doesn't even know me because she's so desperate to be on TV. Granted, I can't, I can't completely negate the fact that reality TV is reality TV and we do like pick scenes to re-tell a story. Yeah, it's like pickups though. We've learned about this in Bravo shows. Like things that weren't shown because they weren't filmed.

Sometimes, yeah, the reality TV stars, even though they're not actors, are going to have to do it again on camera because we missed it. Like, we know that. We accept it. So what happened was when I found out that Amanda and Bree had filmed this scene and Bree had set up this scene to bring Amanda on to tell this alleged tea, I said to myself, I spoke to, you know, actually I spoke to a couple of people that I trust dearly.

And I was just like, let me see, let me try and control this as much. as I can, because this is my life. So I was like, if she tells me, then she doesn't have to sit in the office and laugh about it. You see what I'm saying? Because I already know deep dash she doesn't like me. She doesn't have to sit in the office in front of eight people and laugh about it on the day that I don't make it. And then had Amanda, Nicole, Mary, Anana, all these people gossiping behind my bag, you know? So I was like, if I set up this scene and that she tells me, And in the scene, which you don't see, I'm like, can you not mention this in the office? Then I only get to, we move forward that season, that the only time it's talked about is when I'm involved.

However, when I watch the show, you see how it got twisting. Because that was me trying to take control of my mental health to be like, I can still make money. Because if I decide to say, I'm a fall back because I'm depressed, because my life is falling apart. I don't make money. We are still going to run my business to everybody anyway because it's already been filmed. But if I try to take control a little bit and you saw me off that moment,

I only had intimate scenes with Croshell and Emma because those are people that I trusted. Right. So you're saying people... No, no, it does. So you're saying that people advise you, some people that know kind of the world of reality TV and stuff kind of gave you that tip of like

get yourself involved, set up the scene so that you're in it from the beginning or is that, did you think of that? No, it was my, honestly, it was my publicist. Oh, okay, smart. It was my publicist. She was like, I think

this is, she's like, this person brought it to camera. It's a storyline. You can only control what you can control, Chelsea. Get her to tell you. If this woman doesn't like you and you try your best against,

tell you, she can't then go and otherwise she's going to look crazy to allow her to tell you directly. You really broke the fourth-ass wall this season. Like that was something interesting to see about selling sunset because that had never happened before

and because of the situation, the fourth wall was broken. Like when you were sitting with Christel and Emma and you're like, call her. Call her on the phone. And then, you know, Emma is like, she brought it to camera. Like even that sentence,

like brought it to camera. Like we've never heard that before. Amanda, my thing is, right, I did you dirty, right? I did,

I made mistakes. I'm not perfect. I said things I shouldn't have said, whether I believe them or not, that's irrespective. I talked about your family. I should not. I should not.

And I admitted that many times. I should not. I definitely should not because I now realize how protective I am in my family. If you were looking to get one back on me, own it. Don't be a coward.

Own it. Don't be a fucking. fucking bitch, you know. Okay, because you guys, what Chelsea's saying here is that Bree is now, Bree's, what Bree's saying is that Amanda randomly was like, hey, I have T, she had no idea

it was going to be about Chelsea. She had no idea it was this story. And whoop, she said it on camera and here it is. How did Amanda even get here, girl? Like, let's be for real, okay? There would be a line down sunset, Binabard of people that wanted to be on selling sunset. There'd be a line of people down

sunset Binel bar that want to engage and talking about green of or tea about Bree T-A-C if you gave them the opportunity. The reason why Amanda had that scene with you is because you called production and said, hey, if I call production and say, hey, I have got tea on free, my friend has T-on-Bree.

You think they're not going to set up the scene tomorrow? Yeah. You think they're not going to set up the scene tomorrow? But do you think she said what Tee, or do you just think T on Chelsea? Or did she say this girl's going to say on camera that her husband does something? Well, she already told me.

the tea. No, I know. So do you think she told, right? But did she tell production exactly what's going to go down in the meeting? She told production she has tea on, and there's tea on my ex spouse. Your ex. So they knew. Okay. So they didn't know what it was though. She's not admitting that. She's not admitting. She's not. She's saying that Amanda wanted to meet up, spill some gossip about God knows what. She didn't know what was that. And she's holding to that. Because the 20, people behind the camera are going to, they're going to waste net of production dollars to sit there and talk about the sky being blue. No. Production, production are going to be like, what is it? Is it worth our time? So, the bitch wants to be on camera anyway. Okay. You know,

I, listen, Amanda wants to be on camera and if I'm, how are you going to feel about that if they end up hiring this girl to Oppenheim group? Well, I mean, I'm, if they, I don't, I don't even know where I stand now, but I'm, I'm just just that unequivocally out. Yeah, I've never, that was a very intense, like, thirsty. I want to get on. I don't care how situation. We'll be right back after the break.

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She's saying, I didn't know. You're saying she did it on purpose to send me up. But Amanda. I love when you say my name. Yes, keep going. So you're saying, so I just, because things have to make sense. sense to me, right? And they have to make sense to everybody else for it to be a store. You've already told me the alleged tea that you have. Now you call production to say your friend

has tea, but you say you don't know the tea. What other tea is there? Right. Okay. That's an important part of the timeline. You're right, Chelsea. We need to remind everybody. Part one of the timeline is off camera before they even start filming selling sunset. You get on the phone with Bree. She tells you what she's heard. Correct. Blah, blah, blah. You start filming and then, and then she sets up this scene with,

with Amanda to go on camera about alleged tea that she doesn't know is that tea, but it's like, but that was a tea you got. And Amanda is the same one who gave her the original, okay. Yeah, yeah. So that's like huge, obviously betrayal. And by the way, I want to remind everyone listening that what you're saying that you regret saying about. her family is when you learned about

Bree and Nick Cannon and like I didn't learn about it. It was already on TMZ. Right. It was like it was everywhere. I mean everyone knows. It was everywhere. And by the way, like a lot of people have opinions. There are lots of memes. There are lots of things about the amount of kids Nick Cannon has and wives

and if they all hang out, if their sister. I mean, we don't know. You were a little judgmental of it, right? Is that the word? If you were like, what is that? I was too judgmental of it. It wasn't my place to It wasn't my place to be that judgmentable, you know, I think. And you really regret that.

I regret being, I think everybody should have their personal opinions and keep them to themselves when it comes to other people's families, you know? I think that everybody's. And when you're on a reality show, though, let me remind people. Like the housewives of Beverly Hills aren't keeping their mouth shut. I know. But I think one thing that this year has taught me is I've been humbled by the fact that life is hard, being a mom is hard, being a wife is hard.

We're doing the best that we can. Like I could talk about your work ethic, I could talk about your attitude, I could talk about your dress and, but I think I'm going to stop when I talk about your family because, you know, it's very hard to keep a relationship. it's very hard to find love, it's very hard to be a mom, it's very hard to be a single mom, you know, and those are the struggles that she had, you know, and we all have. So I felt like I could have definitely given her more grace and I could have just minded my business because I also could have been like, oh, kind of have these feelings, but you know, you seem happy and you seem like your good mum and you're doing the best you can. So, like, I don't really want to dive deep into it.

But I did it. And I took the bait and I was stupid and I voiced a piece. opinions that I may have personally had out loud. They were very judgmental. And I tried to apologize time and time again. It fell on death is because I think the fact that I was saying it was more of a problem. When the world says it, it's okay. But when Chelsea says it, it's problematic.

So, yeah, apology never really. It never really got accepted. And that's why I am where I'm at today. So, and that's fine. I just wish you would own it. Own it. Own it. Just own it.

Yeah, like, why? And she's like, I'm a real bitch kind of gal. Yeah, you're like, I'm a real bitch. No, you're a coward. It's a touch. You're a coward. You're a pussy. That's what you are.

Because if you weren't, do you want it? Did you expect Emma and Chrishell to immediately stop being friends with her? So you know what the funniest thing is, right? Throughout the whole time filming, I was, I started to become a little bit cognizant of where things were going. because there were so many times while filming I was like guys like I don't care I really want y'all to stop talking about this

you know what I really want more than anything is for this not to be a topic in your mouths until the day those cameras turn off please I'm begging and look at Chrisel they were specific very heavy on and I don't know if this was for their own personal reasons they were very heavy on the fact that they wanted to get

for the bottom of it. Now, I don't know if this was because that was a way for them to fulfill their obligations, you know, but they kept going on about re whether we did it or she didn't do it. And that's how you saw the storyline evolve. Me too. Girl, I'm going through the worst period of my life. I don't fucking care. Like, respectfully, I don't care. And that's why everything kind of got really sticky when this show came out because I watched the show and there was so little understanding and compassion to something I still don't deal with now, you know. And it became this, did she bring it to camera,

did she not bring it to camera, war fest? And I'm sitting, I know what it is, you know what it is. The producers don't told us what it is. She knows what it is. So why is half the season this beef that I don't have? I've already said, okay, I did it to you. You did something to me. It's checkmate.

I'm not even acknowledging the fact that you're being a coward and doing it. I'm actually, my mindset is actually over here and I'm like, don't drown, Chelsea. Don't drown. Don't drown. But you did tell, you did tell Chrisel, call her, caller. Like, you wanted to air it out at that point. At that point in time, that was the very first time that, like, we're all together. So I already had heard it from producers, to be honest with you.

They told me that she set up the scene. But this was the first time all three of us are together. And I'm like, call her. Oh, because you're saying, okay, wait, just to make everyone on the same page, you're at that point with Emma and Chrisel and they're talking about whether, wait, but did she do that or did you not? Yeah, yeah. But you, okay, sorry. I'm tracking.

I'm dragging now. Did you do it, whereas like every, where it's like, it's a known thing like, yeah, Emma no. Emma's like, oh, yeah, she already knows. Right. And Michelle's not convinced. The reason why Emma knows is because Brie told Emma first. Right. Before she told you.

Right. That I remember. I'm tracking. Okay. So. Does Crichelle at that point in that scene, does she not believe that Brie is able, that that Brie did that on purpose? Yes.

Because Chrisel's out of the loop. How is she out of the loop? You guys don't talk to each other? I don't understand. No, no, because when three told Emma and Emma told me and I had the conversation of three, I was like, keep this here.

You understand what I'm saying? Oh, and so Emma really didn't tell Griselle. Emma really didn't tell Griselle. Wow, she's, she's amazing. Yeah, Emma really didn't tell Grissel. So, Chrisel's a little bit continued. She's like, what the fuck? You know?

So, she's actually, so at that point, Emma's like, okay, Brie sucks, she brought this to camera. You're like, Brie sucks. Michelle's like, I don't know. Like, would you do that? And you're like, yes, call her. Put her on the spot.

Okay, I'm tracking. Call her right now. So me, I'm like, call her right now. Like, can she look? Because with filming. First of all, I have to say, and I know this is your life. And I so I'm the first person to understand that because I, reality TV.

I love it. I love learning about it. I know this is your real life. That was really great to be. Like when you did that and you put that on the spot and you could see Chris Shell struggling, you know, because selling sunset moments, like we talked about, there are times where you're not sure. What's real? Like, is this house really? Like everyone's kind of like accepting it at face value. That moment. And by the way, all the moments with you this season were so real, so emotional. I can't imagine going through what you did on camera. Your tears brought us to tears. is we all felt for you so much. So that just, you know, like, I really, like, think you're amazing.

And I'm sorry that you had to go through that on camera. Do you think that joining reality TV, I mean, so many people say, like, it's kind of like a curse on relationships. I think it's very difficult in relationships, but I think, you know, it's not going to make or break a relationship. Like, reality TV is not going to make or make a relationship.

or break a relationship. That's for a fact. It does add additional strains. I also think life adds additional strain. Children add strains. Money adds strains. Everything can strain a relationship. I mean, what is a divorce rate at this point? So, no, I would never ever blame reality TV for the failure of my marriage whatsoever. Is there anything you can tell us? I know that you don't want to bring him into it aside from kind of what we saw. But did you end? of filing for divorce because of this allegation that we learned about on the show? Honestly, I can't talk about my divorce at all. I just, I don't think it.

I don't like I, I, I love authenticity. I love transparency. I never want to lie to you guys. So I rather just be honest and say, I can't talk about it because I really want to respect the other party. That's really great of you. A lot of people would be like, fuck that, fuck that. and, you know, use their platform to kind of shame them.

We want to know, though, because we saw you kind of checking out a new house at the end of the season. Did you get the new beginnings house? Nice. I do. I'm in Manhattan Beach, which is amazing because I live in what was our marital home is now my home. And that feels okay to you? like that's that gives you that's not as the like that's not giving the new beginning vibes that you were well my children live in manhattan beach they go to school in manhattan beach um i i wanted

to do the less amount of transition and changes for them like the most important thing are my kids and um everything worked out the way it should work out and i'm happy and my kids are happy and they're very close to their mommy and their daddy so that's a most important. And what about Emma and Crischel? I mean, you said on the show and that pissed off, Brie, too, because you were like, these are my best friends. These are my best friends.

And she was like, I know these are my best friends. Like she got, it felt very high school for a moment. Like, it felt like the both of you were kind of fighting over Emma and Crishel because she's kind of losing them to you in a way, you know? Yeah. This is why reality TV just becomes really difficult sometimes. Love Emma. Love Chrisel.

Like, truly amazing. Spend a lot of time with them when we don't bring out our phones and we don't, you know, are not performative for cameras or whatever. And I don't really want to speak for anyone else's relationship, but I will because I have eyes too. If the only time you spend together is to do a designated TikTok day, are you really friends? Are you really friends?

You know, it's hard because you come on the show, right? and I came on the 50s and you're like, who do I buy with? Who do I gel with? Everyone does that, okay? She came on the show and she formed bonds with Emma and Criselle, but me and her had a riff.

And their relationship was primarily like, I don't know. I see, I don't I don't want to sit here and be like, oh my God, here you are judging someone else's relationship again. What you're saying is they were fake friends, you were real friends, I feel like,

the vibe. 100%. 100%. Because, yeah, because I'm not I'm not, I don't, it's 90% of the time I call my friends to hang out. It's to have a TikTok person come and take

TikToks to social media. We're not real friends. We're not real friends. So you and Emma and Griselle really really had like a real relationship outside the show. And are you still just as good? Because you mentioned before something that you were

Correct me if I'm wrong. You were a little upset maybe that they continued the narrative of trying to dig deeper when you just want to leave it alone. I was very upset watching the show back and seeing that this whole narrative formed was, did she bring to show,

just not bring to show after I had you know, kind of poured my heart out. It made me very sad. And it's not changed my relationship with them because they've really helped me navigate the hardest year of my life. But it did disappoint me. I won't lie.

It did disappoint me, but... Did you try to get to the bottom? I know you were saying, like, you don't know why if it's that they really wanted to get to the bottom. I know what it is. I know what it is. It's TV and you're being called and you're being asked to talk about something and you're just like, you're back against the wall

and you just, I guess I have to, you know? Yeah. I guess I have to. So I understand the nature of the job. I think it's just a lot harder when it's something that's really, sad going on, you know, I have two babies. How was the outpouring of support

from the public? I mean, I imagine like it sucks. Really? I was sure you would have gotten so much so much love and support from the fans. You know what? And this is probably why I still can't seek

at night. It's because definitely had the worst year of my life. Definitely still going through the worst year of my life. But, Watching the show back, so if you asked me why I filmed it, I would have said pat myself on the back. I'm really proud of the way I navigate it in how elegant I was not to, like, throw anyone under the bus. I didn't throw me under. I didn't throw my ex under. I didn't throw anyone under. Watching the show, it would look through Bree under and I didn't want to confront

my ex. When that was not their test, it just wasn't the case. You know, I'd date and multiple things, I really don't care whether we brought it on. That never got shown. The show moved into a direction that I didn't even force me. I didn't even foresee the other side of things. And there was just a lot of, there was just a lack of care or compassion towards me, what I was dealing with, towards the fact that this is my real life. And then there was the flip side of let's make the audience question whether or not really the stand-up human or not let's show that maybe she actually was a stand-up human and she's being by Chelsea and Chelsea just wanted to skate but go to her and blame her and I'm like go to her and blame her child do you know

like I have children that are going through real life changes right now and you think I'm worried about you know that um it was chelty i have to say like from my point of view and from like the people that have watched with me and that's not what i was saying i was seeing kind of an outpouring of support for you everyone saying why did you know breathe do this obviously we know you broke the fourth wall obviously we saw you go through everything that you went through on camera we saw you breaking down you know we saw the tears we saw everything i i was really hoping that you felt that support and i'm really sorry that that you didn't um i i always say i always say like some people and people ask me about how i deal with negativity that if you if you allow like positivity

to breathe life into you you will die because of negativity so i try to keep it even killed either way. I tried to have no expectations either way. But, you know, Amanda, you watched the show and you had, I saw your stories and you were questioning like what actually happened. You were questioning whether this was brought genuinely to Chelsea or this or was this fucked up. So the show didn't accurately depict what happened. And that's not okay. That's how we started talking. That's not okay. It's not okay. Maybe, maybe if it's on a real estate transaction. Maybe if it's on some gossip here. But on my real life, on my real life, the least you could do is accurately depict what transpired because you had all the tours to.

And I never missed a day of filming. That's the least you could do. So you're saying have it play out like, okay, you're going to show this anyway, at least show it accurately. Correct. you want to break the fourth wall show that she made that call you could have said when we're sitting in between

when we're sitting in our interview seat and the producer is interviewing us you could have said but Bree you did make that call to production to set up as soon right right right I have the text right here

you know we've seen it we've seen it on what's that other show that I watched the other day perfect match too I saw that on I think much too Oh they call them out Yeah yeah yeah

You know like tell Tell the full story So why do you think They were protective of her in that sense It was it just for the story Just for the I can't I have no idea

I have I this is why I question that I find it very hard To like conceptualize like How I continue doing what I'm doing Because if I

If I can't understand something Then I always feel like I'm going to end up in that position again I don't know. I don't know. But is that why you're not sleeping or trying to figure it out? Yeah. Well, I'm just trying to figure out like what, what could I have done to have gotten the respect for like real, like I didn't not turn up to set for six weeks.

I don't disrespect people. I don't, you know, I come and do my job and I give you everything you want. I was vulnerable this season, you know. I was going through the hardest point in my life, but I still would stand in front of those. cameras when I didn't have to. Why didn't you just give me the respect of like allowing the truth to play out? Why? Yeah. It sounds like you're, how are you feeling about reality TV now or going back for another season? I don't know. I think I'm in that same mindset of like, I don't know. I have no, I have no clue. You have no clue. If you could think of a silver lining of all of this,

is there one maybe that first of all you're young you're 31 years old okay you're gorgeous you're smart you have like your life ahead of you i'm sure your dms are exploding i'm sure every guy in the world would want to date you like there are things to look forward to right honestly my silver lining i think would be i've gotten really strong with my say so like you know like i kind of feel like stronger than ever in a sense i kind of feel like unbreakable because I just know that I'm going to be fine. I know that I'm going to be okay. Not that I think you need to be religious or whatever. Everybody has their tools and mechanisms to get through whatever they're going through. But spiritually, I've gotten a lot closer to my faith.

And that's just helped me personally, you know, and I think that without this, I was kind of just like a wanderer. And now I'm like, okay, no, I'm just a child of God. yeah and you were saying like probably not only in the religious sense but also in the sense of you went through something incredibly hard and you're still here and you're still standing and you know it's kind of like after you give birth where you're like damn yeah i'm a super i'm a superhero how do i do that yeah so that's probably i'm sure also like you feel like you got through something or you're still going through it so hard but you're doing it and you're waking up and you're smiling and you're going to work and you're taking care of your kids and like that must feel a little

empowering I'm sure you know what amanda you just hit the nail on the head so I was thinking to myself the other day I was like oh nothing really scares me anymore you know like you have certain things in your day that like give you anxiety or scare you I now tackle everything with a different level of like oh this is easy because of what I've been through I'm kind of fearless if that makes it I feel like I'm a hero at this point. I'm like, everything is like, oh, that is, everything's so, like, menial. Everything's so menial and so, like, I had two natural birds and I went through, like, the most traumatized, like, a year of my entire life. Imagine feeling sick every day, like, sick, like, I can't eat, like, I couldn't eat sick and, like, crying myself to sleep and, like,

depressed and, like, wanting to just, like, check out for, like, months. Like, once you've gotten over that harm, I kind of look back and I'm like, oh. Yeah. I'm doing strong now. First of all, in the words of Chris Jenner, you're doing amazing, sweetie. Oh, my God. Thank you for this therapy session. I didn't realize it was going to be.

Thank you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for talking to me. And I just wanted to clear up a few things. Well, you did. So I really appreciate you taking the time. I know people love knowing the facts. They love knowing the breakdown.

They love knowing the timeline. and you did that. So I thank you. I send you love. Good luck on your job tomorrow. Appreciate you. Bye, baby. Bye. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you. next Tuesday

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