Not Skinny But Not Fat - SHEP ROSE SPILLS: SOUTHERN CHARM DRAMA, BREAKUPS & THAT CRINGEY TEXT

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Shep joins me in the studio to break down his public rejection on the latest season of Southern Charm, that infamous text, and what we didn’t see from Sienna. He also spills on what really happened with Molly, whether there’s any chance of rekindling things with Taylor, and his thoughts on Craig and Paige’s breakup and his reaction to those harsh words about Paige on the after show.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Shop saks.com.FX’s Dying for Sex. All episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu.Use the code NOTSKINNY on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order through the end of this week.To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNY.Use code NOTSKINNY to get 15% off your Primally Pure purchase at www.primallypure.com.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. happy Tuesday. We are in spring. We are in spring. I'm so excited. I love spring. Like 70 degrees. Give it to me. That's my, that's my comfort zone. Like when people are like, no one people like like to sweat and they like when it's like 85 degrees. I'm not one of those people. Like I don't need to be sweating. I don't need to be wearing even like shorts necessarily. I want like a 69. Like not that kind of 69. Okay. Like a weather. 69.

speaking of like not that kind of 69 it is wild i mean we talk about how all men are the same but like is if you have like a husband boyfriend are you able to watch anything remotely sexual with them without them getting turned on it is just like you know husband's watching the white lotus with me so there was one episode where chelsea pulls her titi out boom that night he's like hey and i'm like oh my god he saw boob then there was another episode where jacky's character Michelle Monagin mom I'm pronouncing that wrong anyway she starts having sex with valentina or whatever and it wasn't even that hot of a scene it was like kind of like a funny kind of sexy moment then we get into bed that night he's like hey and I'm like oh my god they just fucking can't

it's wild anyway how is everybody doing I'm in my bravo era like I'm in my my this is my season when summer house is on and and southern charm is on like this is where i slive this is where i live speaking of sliving paris hilton is coming out with a skincare beauty line whatever i just feel like it's like late for her you know how like so many people are coming out with podcasts now and then there was like all the celebs coming out with skincare and it's like how is she not the first like how is she just like hopping on you know what i mean there's just a lot but I feel like in every industry, there's just going to be a lot of everything. And that doesn't mean that you need to not do what you're doing or that paracelet doesn't need

a skincare line. Like, okay, how about this? Every industry has a lot of different people doing the same stuff. And there's not a problem in joining that industry and trying to do it too. But like you have to have a unique point of view and you have to have something that's like special and different about yours. If not, then like it's just another skincare line. You know, that's why I was like, if Paris Sulton is doing another, a skincare line,

it better come with access to her sliving spa or something to make it interesting or like things that she's learned in this living spot. Maybe she has a lab in this living spot. Anyway, like I said, this is my time to shine because my favorite shows on Bravo are the, are like Roney, Southern Charm and Summerhouse. And right now Southern Charm and Summerhouse are on. And I'm committed to both of those. And it is just wild.

like we're seeing the demise of Craig and Page happening on both Summer House and Southern Charm whilst in real life we're seeing the aftermath of the breakup, which I have to say I was thinking about it today. And I would have never guessed that they would get messy. Like they were just not the type of couple that I thought like I didn't think they would get married. Like I really didn't. It looked like anyone with a brain could see like she's not playing on moving. He's not planning on moving. Like even though now he says he's like was planning on moving and was planning on. buying a ring or bought a ring. I don't know. I just didn't see it for them. And just didn't seem like it was going there. And listen, the Bravo fandom has a lot of opinion. Some are team page. Some are team Craig.

Whatever, whatever you are, it's okay for a relationship to end and move on. But like I said, I was surprised that they chose to kind of take it to the streets, if you will, and like be kind of like messy. I wasn't seeing this for them. So I'm kind of shook. I'm kind of shook about how he's talking about. talking about it. He's coming for her. She's coming for him. But I guess like once one person does that, then the other person kind of has to retaliate it. Or they don't have to. And they just stay the

bigger person and they look like, you know what I mean? But they're both, not that they're being messy, but they're just like talking about each other, which I didn't see for them. You know, Megan Fox gave birth to a baby. MGK posted it. It looked like Sharna and Brian Austin Green were pretty upset about it because it seemed like from their post they didn't know about it. Then it seemed like from their posts, Brian Austin Green, which I call bags. So get on the bag train. We're checking in with MGK about when the baby's coming. And Brian Austin Green even posted that MGK snapped at him.

It was like, stop fucking asking me. What are you TMZ? I don't trust you. You rat. All this shit. You child star. And then Bag was like, child star, is that supposed to offend me? Let me tell Leo.

Okay. like it with all suit like you and leo are not on the same wavelength my love you're not in the same time zone you're not in the same planet love you anyway you guys I have a guest today from one of those two shows that I talked about by the way aren't you proud of me that I stopped teasing when I said shit was out for 2025 I stuck to it when I said that my shit is in for 2025 I stuck with it I said this is my year of yes I'm doing all these yes things when I said you guys I'm not going to tease my fucking guests every week and be like, guess, here is this show. I'm not doing it and I stop fucking doing it because I was like, I just want to

fucking tell you. Like, I want to spring it on you and I don't want to tell you beforehand. But when it happens, I want to just tell you. So Southern Charm, you know it. You love it. Shep is in the house today. Shep is, he's had a season. He's had a season on Southern Charm, okay?

From the freckled lips text message to sleeping on the beach in the Bahamas to, you you know, now saying some shit about the page and Craig breakup. And in general, he's always been interesting to me because I've watched Southern Charms since the beginning and he always, you know, seemed so, like, smart to me, but like a smart guy with a big vocab that makes really terrible decisions and, like, doesn't have his life together. So chatted with him today, I have to say from meeting him in person, he's like pretty charming in a way that's like, you want to kind of help him and you want to gossip with him because he really

does love to gossip, love those kind of dudes that, like, just want to fucking spill the tea. And he, like, has a lot of thoughts. He's, like, thinking about, like, what Craig and fucking Austin are wearing to, to watch what happens live and, like, should he get his, she wash his hair tonight? Like, he's like, like, I know he, like, did a lot of fucked up shit in his life. And he's, like, has a misogynistic moments. And I don't like the shit that he said about page, which I bring to him. But he's also, like, eh, shop, like,

that's what me and Regina did after we met and we're like like a little 45-year-old baby. Anyway, enjoy my convo with Shep. Shepard Rose. If my mom had Us Magazine or my sister, I would totally, yeah, totally thumb through it. Yeah, it takes like two seconds to read. And also you just, we were talking about White Lotus and you just,

I was calling her Michelle Moynihan. Yeah, you like pronounced it right, probably. That's because I have a tremendous crush and always have. You've been studying it. Well, I don't know. She's married. Wait, so was that more like, it was that a cooler moment for you to, because there was a moment with the White Lotus where they said they were copying.

I thought that was incredibly funny. And I'm glad that it exists. Let's put it that way. And that they know about, that means they like, the cast, like, they know about y'all. They do. And Mike White does. And it's very nice. It's very nice.

And of course, it's not exactly. complimentary. It's like, here's a crazy family. They're just like you. And you're like, well, but I'll take it. You'll take whatever you can get. No, I mean, it's just funny. And it's, and you know what else it tells you a little bit, I guess, is that acting's hard. And to have like a touchstone to work off of would be incredibly helpful. I would think. Yeah. I don't get me started. I was in a movie and I was so bad. And I was like, acting's hard. Like, wait, when? First of all, by the way, Shab, everyone listening to this that knows my acting story knows that

I came to the same exact conclusion. Acting is hard. Yeah. Like being on set all day, trailer, lines. You got to memorize the lines. Not only, so in your mind, you're like, what am I going to say next? But you also have to emote whatever the line is saying. Wait, when did you do this? Okay, as a friend by

a hometown friend's father produced a movie in the low country in South Carolina. And he was like, yeah, did you want to be in it? And I was like, well, what two roles? You're like, you could be a bartender or a banker. And I was like, which one's better? And he said banker. And I was, I should have been to the bartender. That would be that way. I was like, foreclosures are way up. I was like, what am I talking about? Wait, is this out in the world? Yeah, it was on like,

it was on like Hallmark Channel, I think. So, wait, how old were you? This was a couple years ago. Oh, what's it called? Well, I know what the working title was, which is really. funny. It was called the final load. Was it supposed to be scary? No, it's about like a drug deal gone awry. Oh my God. I can't believe you chose banker. Like, see? You need some guidance sometimes. Well, yeah. And so I left being like, wow, like these guys are... Did it take you a full day to film that scene? Well, it's funny. No, it didn't. It was pretty

short day, but it was still funny, man. I don't know. I was hoping it got cut, but it exists out there somewhere. Did the Bravo fandom find it? I don't know. I wanted them to, I asked them to film it, like, because we were filming at the time. Yeah. Oh. And we did, and it never went anywhere, unfortunately, because there was too much going

on. Sometimes that's a problem, like you're like, oh, but that scene I was in was so good and so like hilarious and ridiculous. Did you like, would you take it as far as to like text the producer, be like, what about that day we shot my movie? Yeah. Oh, you do. And then they would just tell you.

Yeah. Well, yeah, you just kind of find out the hard way, which is you're like, oh, if it didn't happen that episode, then it's not going to see the light of day. Was that, so that was one of the moments. Do you have any other moments like that that you wish made the show? So many, I can't even describe it. Really? So many, yeah. Like more that show us other stuff that you do. Just more funny, just silly, goofy, you know, stuff just really proud of. You know, they did show, I think there was like an Instagram post about or the girls posted, like how much fun they were having.

I saw that. Like, when you guys went on vacation. And, like, what we see. It was kind of like what we see versus, like, the actual fun you're having. There's a show to be made, you know, and you can't, everything can't make it. And you kind of learn that the hard way.

Yeah. And then you're so egocentric, or we all are, I suppose. You think, oh, that, how could you cut that scene with me? You know, and you're like, well, you actually have to get to know these other people, too. You know what I mean? Yeah. So funny.

This season, Shepard, was pretty loco for you. Yeah. Yeah. You think so? I mean, I think in a funny way for us. That's all I want. But for you, were you able to look at it? Like, now that you're past, when did you film it?

It was a year ago? Yeah, quite literally started filming in April of last year and got done in June. So are you over the Sienna thing? Was it okay for you to watch it and not totally? Yeah. It was tough to watch and stuff to be a part of. Yeah. But I don't know.

I'm sort of proud that I was completely up front and honest and said what I wanted to say and what I felt at the moment. And how can that be a bad thing, you know, especially in the reality TV world. And by the way, I don't distinguish between the two. I'm the same damn way. You know, I don't, I'm not an actor. Yeah. Terrible actor, actually. I have, I mean, I'm honest to a fault.

And, you know, and by that, I mean, if you're my friend and I did something embarrassing, like, I'm probably going to tell you about it, even though I'd probably be smart not to. Yeah. What can you tell us about Santa that we don't know? So you met a few, so you said he started shooting in April. When did you connect? Okay. We connected in August the year prior.

Oh, wow. So, yeah. And we had like a bunch of different weekends where we met up and had a lot of Fun. Mostly in the Bahamas? No. Mostly she came to you. Charleston, Savannah, or sorry, Hilton Head, where I'm from. Parents were gone. I had a house party. Austin was there with his girlfriend, Audrey, and Rod and Tyler were there. So it's kind of, this is before, way cameras were not around. Those are just my friends. Oh, and they met her from before. Yeah. And everyone loved her. What was her connection to the South, though? Does she have family there? She, no. I mean, she's like six-generation Bahamian. So she came for you. Yeah. It's actually quite fascinating. I don't know if this means anything to anybody, but she was like, did you know, when we first met and Charleston, she came to Charleston, she's like, my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was the mayor of a small town in South Carolina and he was a loyalist to the crown and had to escape to the Bahamas. And that's how this whole thing's started. I was like, that's fascinating. I love history, by the way.

So you connected on Raya, but every time she came to the south, you were the reason she was coming because why else would you come? Correct. So she was into this at some point at the beginning. Totally. No, I mean, in the timeline. So then I went down to the Bahamas. I met her mom or sister and we went out on a boat and waited up to a bar and played volleyball on the beach and had a grand old time. Then she came up to my mountain house, my family's mountain house. And she brought a friend and I brought a couple friends and we had a grand old time. But we had like a little bit of a falling out that was like so stupid. But it was just something that we just got a little argument. I said, I I don't see things that way. And she goes, well, you know, and so I said, let's just take a step back because I really enjoyed hanging out with you. I don't want to have a bad taste in her mouth if we just, you know. And she's like, okay.

And then she got back to me a month and a half later, we just kind of took a break. And she's like, I actually feel pretty strongly. And, you know, I think there's a way we can reconcile. I was like, I feel really strongly too. Like, let's give it another shot. But she reached out first after this break. Yeah.

That's surprising, given what we saw. Exactly. That's okay. You're okay with it. Because I know what happened. You know what I mean? Like, it's okay. Really?

Think whatever you think. That's okay. What did you, she's obviously gorgeous. Yeah. But like when I was watching the episodes with her, I was like, she's really not giving much. Like, where is, did we see the woman that you like fell for so hard? Was it like just the physical stuff? No, no.

It was great. I mean, we went to, we went out west skiing, which was hilarious because she's, we went to a tough mountain, Jackson Hole. And it's not for beginners. I was like, are you sure you can handle this? And it was pretty funny. We laughed about that a lot because she spent a lot of time on her back. Just like her pulse spread out everywhere and their skis.

And I was like trying to help her. Oh, so you had like a lot of experiences together and travel. Yeah, we had a lot of fun. And then Palm Beach and then Charleston and then out of nowhere, this sort of coldness and distance. And I mean, it's going to come out in the reunion. When does this come out? The reunion is this week. Right? Is it a one part or a two-par reunion?

It's probably a two-partner. Okay. So this will come out next week. Anyways, I don't think I'm stepping out of bounds at all saying that she met someone else and in the period between when we saw each other and when we were going down to the Bahamas. Gotcha. And never did she say that the whole time you were there? She couldn't say it for some reason. I wish she had. I would have actually been okay with that. I mean, I would have sucked. I mean, it sucked. I knew. I mean, I'm not a dummy. You know, I've been around the block a few times.

Oh, my God, I was trying to think, like, I always wonder what's gaslighting and what isn't. She may have been, like, gaslighting you a little bit. Because the way it looked like you were saying all the stuff that happened, which you just said. There was a timeline. You had history. You met up. You met her family. You went away together, blah, blah.

We're seeing this episode of her looking at you like, you crazy. Like, we're not dated. And then you look crazy. Like, you look crazy in those episodes professing love and all these things where she's saying, we hung out. It sounds like she's saying, we hung out a couple times. like, chill out. What you're saying, that wasn't the case. Yeah, like six long weekends over a six month period. I don't know. I mean, is that, is that nothing? It feels like something. I don't do that a lot. When she went away with you, were you paying for everything? That was a point of contention

that, but yes, is the answer. For the most part, she hooked, she hooked it up in the Bahamas. Yeah. You know what I mean? But it was a plane ticket situation where she expected every, you know, and I was like, well, I was saying, I don't want to pay for the privilege to hang out with anybody honestly like I'll take care of everything don't you worry yeah but like a little meet in the middle situation and like you didn't want her to maybe assume like that was a cultural difference if you want to know the truth I just I don't know you know I so I can I guess that's a but you know like I love it when girls like I'll meet you there you know what I mean like that's chill that's by the way that's empowering too right like you don't have you know what I mean I don't know

so I don't really was that the point of contention you were talking about before that you had a little thing about? Yeah, because she was supposed to come up to the mountains and a day before. And I had hired a car to go get her and her friend. And I was like, get on the same flight as him. And, you know, then I'll get the car to come and blah, blah, blah. And a day before she was like, hey, I've been really busy. Can you just grab my flight the day before? And I did. I rub me the wrong way. I was like, that's reckless almost, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's annoying. I've been really busy. Can you just do it? Did you do it? I did. But then you were mad about it.

I waited to the after the weekend and mentioned something to her. Okay. And we both were like, hold on. Do you think that maybe started the kind of? No, that was before the reconciliation. That was right before. Oh, got you. And then, yeah. So then things were going well with the skiing and this and then that, Palm Beach. And she also wanted you to come out to the Bahamas with all your friends. Oh, yeah. She was super excited.

Super excited about the cast trip being in the Bahamas. She's like, I'm going to talk to the head of tourism and we're going to do this. And then nothing happened. And then she, something happened. Something happened. And I mean, that's not for me to say. But I mean, how did you find this out? I came back from Europe.

You're traveling all the time, shop. I love it. My parents and brother and sister and their whole families, we got a house near Sorrento, Italy. Oh, fun. And I first went to London to see some people and then went to Italy. By the way, like, so after the Bahamas trip, it was like, I was, you could have knocked me over the feather. I was just like emotionally spent. And so, you know, it was just a lot.

And so I kind of cut it off and I didn't think about it much. I mean, of course, you think about it some. But you're just like, okay, you know, if that's the way it was going to be handled, then I'm in the, I'm in a good position. Yeah, like you didn't. You weren't the one that did something wrong. I didn't. My conscience is clear. that kind of thing.

And, not that, anyway, so I come back from Europe and I get a phone call from either Austin or Whitney. And it was like, hey, I was like, what's up? He was like, you're back on state side. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm not sure I want to tell you this, but she's dating an NFL football player. She just posted that on TikTok. And I was like, oh, yeah, okay.

And so I said, you know, I kind of, I sent her a text like, you know, nothing hateful. I was just like, guess I had to find this out somehow, some way, you know. So anyhow. And what was her response to that? She said something to the effect of like, I was, you know, I'm a story. I was a storyline. I can't believe that. I said, no, you weren't.

I said, I came down to the Bahamas to do a bit of a coronation of our relationship. It was going to be amazing. Like, that's not a, there was no negative or nefarious intentions on my part. Are you crazy? And if she knew she was going to be a. storyline. She could have, you know, maybe she's a better actress than you. Maybe she should have then been like, okay, a little bit smarter about it. And you know what? To her credit, she's like, you're right. I'm sorry. I wish I could change a lot of different things. And I was like,

okay, cool. Well, thanks for at least saying that. And then we haven't really talked since. And is she still with a guy? I can't answer that because I don't know. I heard no. You heard no. I hear, I haven't been like following her personally, but I do hear that she's been like, you know, she does want to have an online presence, if you will. Yeah. Right. She went about it pretty not the right way. Right. But like, did that worry you at all in dating her at the beginning? Like you, I'm sure have to navigate that. I was like, I was like, you only have X amount of followers. I was like, you're like, you're traveling the world, modeling. I was like, I mean, I've got some suggestions. You should be a bigger deal. Oh. So you would be supportive of her

getting bigger on social media and helped her. But you didn't think ever than maybe that was one of the reasons she was like with you? Well, I mean, that's a lot to go through or, you know, not go through, but like that's a lot of effort just to get a few more followers or a few thousand more followers. So no, I don't care about that. I mean, you know, I think that like it's a brave new world. Like if like a lot of people are, I mean, followers are currency, you know, I get it. You know, it's not like I pander. I got lucky, you know, I fell into the Bravo. And so I can probably guarantee you if I wasn't on Bravo, I would have like a couple 3,000 followers because I'm not like diligent about it.

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What was the deal with Whitney? Because you guys didn't really explain it on the show. Her and Whitney also connected on Raya? Yes, before me. So she swiped right on him or whatever? I guess. Did that not read? No.

No. Really? I didn't know her. Like, she thought he was... Yeah, but like she could be dating people her age. That's true. Who knows what people are into? I don't care. I'm older than her, too.

You are? Yeah. How old is she? She's 27, no. She's 26. And you're, like, super smart guy. We talked about you. You read for fun.

I do. You're into politics. Yeah, I just read a Cormick-McCarthy novel. I really liked it. The Road. Cool for you. Suggestions, you guys. Your next book club.

Well, it's kind of, it's dystopian, but go ahead. Did you, did you, like, don't you want to look for somebody that's into those same things? yeah no she's smart man yeah well i didn't say she wasn't but she's just younger and maybe like she's very educated fun to talk to there's a reason i felt that way i'm you know what i mean i'm just saying and you couldn't oh well that that is a definite i mean exotic yeah and and and i said this on the show i think like there was a part of me it was like a fantasy like oh like this is like maybe this is what i'm supposed to do i have this like another life and another country and i love the mom is, man. I love fishing and surfing and all that stuff. So I was like maybe this is. Yeah.

It's kind of like you know how you're going to do a lot of times. Girls do too. Guys do too. Girls need to know that. Like we're, we're thinking ahead too. Depends with who. Sometimes you are. Depends with who. Sometimes we're trying to leave the situation, but so are girls. Right. So this, you built that like fantasy and especially for you because maybe like you're not so sure about like the settling down, having a family saying in the South. Like this was like, oh, like to be. This was the anti-white picket fence, right? And which I don't disdain it, but I've scoffed at it before. Yeah, maybe you have a little ante with it.

Yeah. Let's talk about the shark necklace for a minute. Okay. I, I, first of all, on her, everything looks good. So she puts it on and you're like, oh, cute. You know, link it or whatever. Yeah. But where did this come from?

My friend, my good friend. Sold you on it. No, it's her company. She goes and she hunts for shark's teeth and makes jewelry. My family were huge shark week aficionados. Like, we'd sit together as a family and watch it. And I just love sharks. I know a lot about sharks, weirdly.

I have a lot of books about sharks. So I get excited about like anything shark-related. Yeah, but you're getting this for a girl and not for you. Yeah, but I think it's cool. What girl wouldn't want a great white shark's tooth neck? Is that- Really? Okay, I don't know.

I mean, I feel like we'd like diamonds more, gold more. Yeah, like a reason 10,000 why I don't know anything about the opposite sex. And how weird, though, that you got Taylor a different shark. Yes, different shark. Different shark. But like, you got the same. Well, Taylor knows the person. Are you doing a discount with this friend?

A little bit. Foxy fossils. That's what it's coming. Oh, I love. We're shouting her out. Yeah, sure. So you're getting a discount. It's a good person.

Wait, she hunts for sharks like, fills them off? No, there's, there are a lot of washed up. I mean, all ones that are already dead. Yeah, they're washed up in the sand. And she pulls out their teeth? No, the teeth fall out. Did you know that sharks lose teeth at an alarming rate? No, there's not a dead shark thing, detooth, deep tooth.

Yeah, they have rows of teeth because they're always falling out and then they invariably make it to the shore. Oh, like, layers. Correct. And they're always regenerating to sharks. Oh, so she finds them. She finds old sharks. I'm not saying it's not a cool concept. Okay.

I'm saying maybe the next girlfriend gets a different present. Yes. Yes. Maybe a gift or two. Madison said something to you, like off the cuff. You didn't really stay on it. But she said something like, you're not rich enough for her. And you kind of were like, am I not?

Okay. Like you kind of took it at base value. I felt that. I felt that. Yeah. That if you were maybe like, like flying around first class, everywhere you go. And I said that at some point to her.

I was like, look, I don't have a private jet, you know. Like, and I've got nice stuff and I like to do nice things. I was like, my family, like we don't, we fly first class only on long flights, you know, like, and we don't drive Mercedes and stuff like that. That's just not who we are. You drive like a scota, a Scota? A Buick. A Buick.

Yeah, you're, you. That's just not how the generationally, generationally. we that that's just like a big no-no in my family like ostentatious flashy got you yeah it's like old money v new money yeah just get what you need you know don't also like your house like even the mountain house like nothing is like flashy yeah opulent yeah opulent opulent you know what you're bringing me back with all these big words opulent i know i didn't know the first one what was the first one no that i know ostentatious oh that i knew maybe opulent i didn't opulent yeah what does that mean just over the and gold-plated kind of thing.

Love it. Yeah, because I remember watching you from season one, and I always thought your vocab was, like, so impressive. Thanks, Mom. And that's from reading. It's from reading and Mom. Oh, thanks, Mom.

I thought you were calling me, Mom. Oh, no. No, no. Oh, thanks to your mom. Thank you to Mom, yeah. Like at the dinner table, it was vocab tests, basically. Wow, really? Yeah.

Okay, so the whole time you're on this vacation, your ex-Taylor is there. Which is really awkward. Might I say, might I say, she handled it classy as fuck? Yeah, yeah. You don't think so. No, no, no. There was a big argument that didn't get aired, not between me and her.

I think she, look, Taylor, the Taylor I met and I dated is very sympathetic, empathetic, sweet, kind, and all those things. So, I mean, I agree with you. She handled it better than giving me. at table and seeing. I could tell that was not okay. Like, I felt that and I was sitting there. I would look over and I was just like, this isn't fair, basically.

But it's okay. Well, I mean, and I guess it helped that she kind of knew that things were on the rocks. And she just was like, well, okay. Yeah, it would feel worse for her if, like, Sienna was, like, professing her love back. That would have been more. Here she was kind of like. See you later. Yeah, but also it must have hurt that maybe she hadn't felt that love.

from you like that kind of like strong fighting for you love no telling what was going through her mind i agree with that but what was the fight you were talking about oh it was between sally and taylor you know just a oh about the just about everything you know but it was i guess you know i'm okay with that not making it frankly because it's kind of was it about you no it was just a it was just you know i i was just like oh god we kind of horror but you know you have this moment that moment And I'd rather skew towards humor and wittiness. So seeing your text to Sienna with the freckled lips getting like really just like ripped apart, talked about, like cringalange, like all the things. How did that make you feel watching it?

I mean, I probably was a little too verbose on the text. It should have trimmed that down. I need an editor. So yeah. But it was tough, man. I mean, it's hard to explain because, like, this whole trip was riding on me being, like, it was, again, supposed to be sort of a coronation, right? And it was totally not that.

So it's stressful, stressful. You're stressed. And I couldn't sleep. And everyone else was asleep. So what do you do at 6.30 a.m. while you know no one's up for two more hours, you maybe get some breakfast. And then you're like, I had these things I want to say to her. Because I was convinced that, like, she was ignoring the way that we felt about.

about each other two weeks prior. Yeah. Two weeks. And I was like, are you sure? You know, I was almost like trying to shake her a little bit like, hey, come on. Like all these things, you know, and that she lost that love and feeling, just like that song, the Everly Brothers. What do you think about the commentator is saying?

Because like I, for one, when I posted about watching, I said like that I feel so bad for you, you know, in that situation because I'm human. There's another human, you know, hurting. I feel bad. A lot of the Bravo fans, like we talked about before, have a lot of opinions. Sure. And they were kind of like, he's getting a taste of his own medicine. How do you take that?

I agree. Really? Yeah, I'm okay with that. And I mean, I'd like to think I'm not sort of pulled a rug out from underneath someone capriciously like that. Yeah. But I've been not so great in the past. Yeah.

And I believe in the karmic universe. And I also, I wasn't angry about feeling that way. I was hurt, but I was like, I don't know if you've heard these quotes, like, it makes you feel alive, you know, and it, and it pumbles you and it shows you that if everything went your way all the time, what kind of life is that? I mean, I don't know, ask, there's some people, I guess you can ask that too, but it teaches you a lot, you know, when things don't go your way. And, and yeah, so I think I came out of better because of it. Yeah. Your friends were trying to help you there. Do you think Craig was very much adamant about what you shouldn't, shouldn't do? He was callous, to say the least. Do you say, was he too hard on you? I just think he was just, I mean, it's funny because at first, when this was all going down, like before we went to the Bahamas, Austin was like, nope, this isn't the one, you know, this isn't right.

And Craig was like, I don't know. Like, you know, and those roles reverse, which I find kind of funny looking back. Did you take it as he's being a good friend or were you like, calm down. Like, let me live my life. Well, I was like, Craig, man, like, I didn't ask for this. But here we are. You know, like, I'm sorry your vacations being a little bit hindered by, you know, my drama. And trust me, go do whatever you like and go have fun. But I was so mixed up in the head that I wasn't thinking right. That's for sure. And sometimes you have to just learn it on your own, not because someone told you.

Yeah, yeah. What about falling asleep on the beach? It turns out a lot of the people were right. And by that, I mean, I didn't. didn't know what to invite her to. I felt responsible. I mean, we were there because of her. So I always had this like, does she want, what is she? And she was, you know, like, what are you guys doing? And I was just like, but it turns out if she was at everything that we did, it would have like totally sort of screwed the trip up. Yeah. Like, you know, because there are other people and, you know, I'm not the center of the universe. And it was awkward in moments

where like you were ready on the rocks with her. She wasn't answering the tag. Whatever. And then she was invited to the dinner. That's right. But I had fun, you know, against all odds on like the boat trip, you know, because I got to laugh and think about other things and jump in the ocean, which is like a favorite pastime of mine. What happened with the falling asleep on the beach? Oh, yeah. I just, it was a long day.

What night was that? That was the night after the dinner maybe. Just a long day. Yeah, it was just a long day. And I ran out of gas and fell asleep on a beach chair. Like on the beach chair. Yeah. Did you wake up in the morning or in the middle of the night?

I woke up at like 5.30 a.m. and couldn't go back to sleep. Tadah, you know. Did you, were you super drunk? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's drowning my sorrows.

You, I feel like you got like fitter, right? I did. Like going into this season even, we see you, like, more into. Did. I was working out a lot, and I, like, exercise and I have a trainer, and I, I really like him. By the way, he's Austin and Craig's trainer, too. We don't always go together, but when we do, we have a lot of fun. How many times a week do you work out? If I'm in town, four to five. Oh, really? And before were you working out at all? Not much. Really?

And I eat, and I eat like pokey bowls and like, and fish and chicken and grilled chicken. And I just think about it. Really? Yeah. And I lost like 20 pounds. Of course, men do the least and just lose it. Like, you're like no more like chocolate. That's it. You lose 20 pounds. Yeah, no more like pizza, even though I'll break down and eat some pizza every now and then. And what about the drinking? I cut down and I'm happy to say that. It's not a perfect landing. Old habits die hard. And I, but, you know, but I'm hard on myself and I'm really thinking about it in certain situations where before it was like, you want to make an omelet? You got to break some eggs kind of thing. And I'm not like that anymore. And I still fuck up. I fully understand that.

and just trying to minimize all that and try to be the best version. But it's not, and, you know, I think about it a lot. You know, if one day it's like, this is too much, then I'll have that honest, tough conversation with me, with myself, you know, and, and, but, you know, it's crazy. These days, I don't know if you know this, like the alcohol sales have dipped dramatically, this next generation of people aren't doing it. But boy, our parents and at least mine, like, that was it. it. You know, you got a case of beer or a bottle of whiskey and see where the night took you kind of

thing. So it's interesting how things are changing. Yeah, now when you're not drinking, you don't, usually when someone doesn't drink, the old thing would be like, are you pregnant? Or if it's a guy or whatever, it's like, oh, are you sober? Like, do you have a problem? Now it's like so many people just order a soda, you know? And they're California sober. So the California sober or whatever. So it's interesting. The tide is turning in that way. And I was talking about this to my friend who's sober. I've got a few friends that are sober that they were the most fun guys. Like, were. How am I saying? In the past? Now they're not anymore. No, well, they had, yeah, they've moved on to another phase. And they're still funny as hell. But, you know, we just had some

wild times. And I was like, I was like, what happened? Like, I don't remember our parents' friends, like people talking about them. Maybe it was just, hey, that's the crazy dad's friend who's here at the dinner party is not making much sense. I was like, isn't it like, and And he was like, yeah, he's like, people were way less sweeping under the road, way more sweeping things under the road for many years there, yeah. I'm just happy that it's being talked about. And I'm on. And Craig talked about it on the show.

Yeah, I mean, I follow, like, you know, John Mayer talks about it a lot. And a lot of Josh Brolin, like, Brad Pitt, you know, like there's all these. Oh, right. Yeah, they're all kind of sober. It's pretty wild. Yeah. And are you afraid you wouldn't have. Bradley Cooper?

Yeah. Yeah. Are you afraid you wouldn't have as much fun if you weren't drinking? I mean, yeah, that's a fear. I mean, I'm pretty talkative as it is. As it is, as you can see. So, yeah, I mean, maybe it's a thing where I've been thinking when I'm home at least. Like, take like six days off twice a month, you know, and just like totally just chill out.

Is it just drinking when you go out? Yeah, I don't drink by myself at home. Okay, okay. So it's just going out. And it's being in bars, you know, a lot. Yeah. And which is easy to do in Charleston, especially when football seasons. happening stuff like that.

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Wait, you turned 45? Yeah, I'm 45. When did you turn it? September. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. Is this the, okay, so this was my life for many years.

Well, when did you start filming when you were how old? 33 started filming. Wait, that is literally insane. Southern Charm is on for I can't do the math. Well, it's been 10 seasons, but it's taken 12 years to film all those because it's just the timeline or whatever. But, yeah. I always think about revolving doors, you know, that movie?

Yeah. Sliding doors, it's called. I always think about that. Yeah. So, like, what would have been? So, like, when my friends, who we were all wild, I mean, all the weddings were a shit show and, you know, and everybody's getting married and their jobs were getting serious. I guess if I wasn't, if this hadn't come along, I'd be like, I'd have to go down that path. Maybe not, I mean, I don't have to get married, but I'd have a job or a nine to five that would really.

Did you have a nine to five before? I have had, yeah. What was it? I worked for a home builder down in Florida. And then I went to business school and then worked in Dubai for a little bit. And then I tried to start a business, like I franchise this restaurant. And it was the one yard line I got kind of screwed. And then the show came around.

So it's funny how things work, right? One door closes, another opens. Were you, so Shep Pat, Shep, Craig has the sewing down south. Yeah. Alston has the hop, drop, hop. I started a company called Shep Gear. I remember that. Yeah.

And I sold it like merch? It was hats and shirts. Yeah. I did okay. To Craig's credit, he, and he'll admit this. Like, I showed him one day my Spotify or Shopify. I was like, look how much. It's pretty good month.

And he was like, oh, my God. And so when his thing got going, he surround, he smartly surrounded himself with some people, business-minded folks and off to the races. So good for him. You know, I hope I wish him and Austin, all the best. I just wrote another book, so I'm very excited about that. When's it coming out? I don't know yet because I just turned in the first draft.

I've got other stuff. I've got a lot of editing to do. What is it going to be about? It's about my experience doing ayahuasca and Costa Rica and what led to it and the aftermath. Can you give us like a tease? Like what led to it and what's the aftermath? Well, I mean, doing it is crazy. It was just so funny.

It was like White Lotus. Were you by yourself? Yeah. It was like a little White Lotusy, right? Like you were surrounded by people you didn't know with different past, different opinions and angles. Is it scary? Are you anxious going into these things? No, because I mean, I've done a lot of psychedelics. So I've been to some weird places.

And so it helped me because it was pretty wild some of the visions I had and I write all about them. Because I had a journal next to me. And you should see the journal. It's like it's absolutely nonsense gibberish. No, my God. This is giving me anxiety. No, but I did four nights in a row. That's what you're supposed to do.

What? yeah so are you ever not tripping all day during those for oh during the day you're not tripping yeah you're doing like yoga and breathing exercises very very kumbaya and then ayahuasca at night and then everybody shares their experience which was fascinating absolutely fascinating and also very eye-opening and relevatory because there's so much trauma and pain in this world you have no idea like i am the luckiest sob on earth that was one of my takeaways one of them. Like you didn't have trauma come up in these things. Mom and dad, fantastic. God, you couldn't have been better. Brother, sister, thank you, love you. Wow. So you are lucky.

Yeah. So maybe it's not for you. You're like, I'm good. There's something to solve here. The people that confronted the trauma, it was, I'll give you. I mean, there's so many examples, but I had a grown man crying my arms the next day because his father was this and he was able to confront that, but he said, but I'm better than ever because of it. Does that make sense? Yeah. And then just a lot of other stuff that you're just like, oh my God, it gives me goosebumps. Would you do it again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so the title is after the first night, working title. After the first night? First night of doing ayahuasca, I took four cups. Of course, I was there for drinking, you know, like overdoing it with excessive behavior. But they asked you to

drink two and then they say the bar is open. So after the fourth, I knew, like, like, this is shots of ayahuasca? Yeah, it's little, like little... So they said two and you did four? It's like a purple liquid. So you did four, they said two. They said two and then if you can, as much as you want after that.

But even as much as you, there's no overdose? Because there's like girls there and stuff who like weigh half as much as I do. Right. So they were like, we ask you to do two, but then you can do as many as you want, but like I never did more than four. That first night I did four

because I was like, let's see what this is all about, you know? Did you go down the next nights or go out? So I go back to my journal. I knew right away that I was like, it was in for it and i i wrote down in my journal why must i always lick the jar oh is that the title yeah yeah yeah and you like it i do yeah it's winnie the poo with the honey pot stuck on his head yeah yeah yeah yeah why must i always lick the jar yeah do you have an answer i have another answer that it's what what does it mean to follow your heart i wrote down

follow on my chest and drew an arrow to my heart i was all when you were tripping oh my jesus and i was like Get a tattooed now. I know. I thought about it. You should. I don't have any. And do it upside down to the follow, like right there. Do what you drew it.

Do what you drew. Yeah, I was thinking about that. Even smaller to commemorate it. It's like inside my nipple. I can't. You should have having someone take a picture. Do you have a picture with it on you? No.

With the thing you drew. With I wrote. Yeah. Yeah, no, it washed away. I sweat in and stuff. Oh, okay. Oh, my God. The anxiety, this brings me, like, I could never.

Yeah, so, yeah, I had some. And you're like a nervous person, like your leg shakes all the time. I'm always like this. I'm a live wire. Is it anxiety? No, it's hereditary. Okay. My whole mom's side of the family.

Okay, so it's not like you're a nervous person. You're chill with some shakes. I just always have to move. Always have to move. Yeah, ADHD textbook. Did girlfriends ever get annoyed with you? Oh, yeah. Especially when I sleep because I'm like a jittery sleeper.

Oh, my God. Okay. Taking it away from my ayahuasca for a moment. it. Okay. Came up on my Instagram the other day, on the after show you were verbose. Yes. About... I saw that. Did you regret it?

I'll say what it was first, but you went off on page. Not off on her. I just... Just saying she should have come to the trip. I, yeah, and I should have said it. I mean, you get your point across when you're calm, right? I was just a little fired up. Of course, this was fresh off of Craig's after the breakup.

Oh, so you were a little angry for him. Yeah, and I was just like, Look, I mean, you know, they're both on a channel, and they've done very well for themselves. And they dated, and I was happy for them. I just wish that I got to know her a little better, you know. You don't? No, not really, no. In the two and a half years.

Exactly. How many times have you hung out? Once or twice. Really? Yeah. With Austin, did she hang out with him more? Oh, no? I thought so.

Not according to him. But then they had the drama. Here's the other thing. Craig and Austin were on winter house and a little bit of summer house. So I get, if you want to say that, if you want to say that, if you want to count that, if you want to say that, that's fine. You wish you would have given you guys more time? Yeah, because I, look, I love our show.

Like, that's my baby, you know, and we're all in this together in the Bravo boat, right? So I think, yeah, I mean, I feel bad when I see Craig at the finale last finale episode. He's looking handsome in a boat in a tie. and he's sitting at the bar by himself, like, that sucks, you know, because that's the girl that you're supposed to, I mean, that you were very into it. But she, I mean, in her defense, she had, like, other things going on at each of these things.

Okay, well, what about this trip or this party, this other trip? You're saying maybe she just doesn't want to come? Maybe. That's okay, though. And maybe they're the smart ones. Maybe they're the ones. Putting boundaries or that's not. Yeah, that said most of these Bravo relationships and terribly,

let's try to curate it a little bit more. What about, okay, so some common. mentors were saying, you're saying this about Paige, but Audrey didn't come. Okay. Well, Audrey's not a TV star who's made a lot of money and gotten a lot of perks from being on Bravo. Oh, you were talking about the fact that she's a Bravo person too. Well, yeah. And so like. And so the same you would say about like Gaston. He's not a paid, he's not paid by Bravo. Yeah. I mean. That's your point. But and that's a choice. And you know, Cameron's husband was a, was an anesthesiologist. He didn't want to be on TV.

I see. But you brought Taylor on TV. I did. I did. And she was great. She's a great sport. She's now on the show. Yeah.

Do you sometimes think about that, that like she came in as your girlfriend and kind of is her own? That's fine. Yeah. Because I guarantee you Bravo wouldn't have a round if they didn't think they, that she brought something. Yeah. Did you think it was a good idea? Like, how did you feel about Olivia leaving the show?

I, well, there was just not that much more to beat that horse with. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. But yeah, it's nothing against pageant. And I'd like to say, like, I've never said a bad word about page. And either has anyone in the cast that I can, that I know of. I don't follow all these blogs and all these Instagram sites. It was just, and I'm not the only one who felt that way, by the way.

And that goes for high, up and down the food chain who's associated with our show. Like, like, we wish that we got a little more. Because you know that that equals views at the end of the day. No, no, no. That equals authenticity. And, like, how do you feel about each other? And, like, we got it from Craig. God bless him.

And he was, you know, and I just, I thought it would be interesting if she went on, like, a girl's lunch with the girls on our show, known Craig, and they're like, hey, tell us, tell us your opinion, because I never heard hers. I heard it on the podcast. She had a moment at the pool party where she was sitting with the girls, but it wasn't really about her. It wasn't about that, yeah, yeah. Which is fine.

Which is fine. And you can't make someone be friends with anyone else. That's ridiculous. Right. But I don't know, like in the spirit of what we're doing here. I got you. Yeah. And in terms of the breakup, obviously the fans are besides themselves.

A lot of them say they saw it coming. A lot of them are flabbergasted. You and Austin seem to have seen it coming. Austin way more than me. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Because he had seen her, he had seen Craig in one of their live shows somewhere, like, around the time where I guess it was disintegrating and he was despondent. And so I don't know.

I mean, I thought it was, you know, he wanted to get married. I mean, there was that episode where they were at the animal farm or whatever. That was pretty, that was the one, like, interaction where I was like, oh, I know a little bit more than I, than I knew, you know, before, you know, and like, again, that's kind of our job. But what do you think about everyone, like the comments, you say, don't read them? A lot of people are saying that it looked like Craig didn't, like, support her career because he didn't want her to be busy. all the time. And it seemed like he wanted more of a housewife vibe. Well, that's two separate needs. A lot of women would absolutely jump at that, right? Yeah. So they're on different pages. They were on different pages. Nice one. No. So I, but, but saying that, like, if a man or a woman in either

scenario was like, I'm going to be really busy, I'm going to be traveling a lot, it's perfectly natural to be like, well, what does this mean for our relationship? That is like a conversation that's happening all over the world at any particular time, you know? So I don't think, I mean, I don't think Craig has one misogynistic bone in his entire body. I mean, he's a traditionalist. Yeah. But I mean, that's not like a crime, I don't think. I mean, it seems, this is less to do with you, but it does seem like she's saying now in places that he didn't actually, like, aside from that conversation, she didn't find him supportive of her career. But that's, I can't say how she thinks, but that seems a little flimsy to me.

But whatever, it's fine. Another thing that I loved about this season is you and Madison are, like, friends now. I know, it's crazy. Do you remember how you used to be? Oh, yeah. Like, you were, I think she, I would say, and correct me if I'm wrong, she was one of the people that you were like, not nice to. And you're usually, like, nice to people.

But you were always like, you were so mad at her for, like, Austin or something for many seasons. Yep. Austin was the beginning of it. And then there were certain things maybe that, that y'all didn't see. things that were said. And it just was, yeah, it's okay, though. We kind of decided if you can't beat them, join them kind of situation. And first of all, and secondly, I was like, you know, I pulled her aside. And I was like, hey, like, I know like your, your personality is to be a little confrontational, a little sassy. I was like, but you're doing really well. You got this

husband, you're raising your kid. You don't have to be that way, you know, like, I'm not saying that she was performing, but like, I was giving her friendly advice. Like, like, like, you're You're killing it. Like, go kill it. Don't worry, don't worry about anyone else. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like you think maybe she's softened a little bit.

I think so. Could be. I do. Not that you're taking credit for it. I did too. No, no, no. I did too. I was like, and that was a part of like my experience going to Costa Rica and stuff.

It was like big time live and let live, you know. Do you think after all this is Taylor? Is she still with Yassan? I guess so. I guess so. We do you have it all? We have reconciled at the reunion as much as I, I think she is willing to do.

I'm very happy to report that. I would, I would, you know, be very, very happy if she's happy. That's, and for the rest of her life, that would make me happy. You would never see yourselves getting back together. I don't think so. I mean, that's, yeah, I don't think so. Why wasn't she the one in the end? Because you guys seemed to, it seemed like you found such a good one, you know?

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of my fault and a lot of my fault. And when I look back at it, I cringe, you know? because just some of the stuff that I put her through. You did? Yeah. And like, of course, we had a lot of fun, too. Just like wild nights where, like, she was like, I can't, you know, I can't keep up. And so I just put her in a taxi, you know, like, I'll be back when I'm back kind of thing.

And just like selfish, wild man, not protective behavior. Do you regret it? Yes. But it was who I was at the time. I couldn't be reasoned with, honestly. Yeah. And I thought it was all again. omelet breaking eggs, you know? I was like, whatever. I just, and I hadn't been in a relationship

in a very long time. Yeah. So, yeah. And I mean, I fully admit, like if the version of myself over the past year, who knows what would have happened? Because I came, I came close to pop in the question, that's for sure. Do you think if you came to her right now and said, I don't know, I did an ayahuasca trip? Yeah, I don't think that would be smart. Not smart, but do you, is there a world in what you think she would say, okay? I don't think so. Really? Yeah.

I feel like she'll always have, like, love for you. I hope so. I hope so, because that's how I feel. Do you think she let go of the anger? I think time will, time will bring that, and it usually does. Do you have any jealousy about her and boyfriend? No, just concern, you know, I just want, I want her to be happy and, and I want her to be fulfilled and all those things.

Yeah. Molly, is that, is it going? anywhere. We saw a little kiss, a little smoochy. Yeah, we, we had a couple fun times shortly after the, after the root finale. And then I went to Europe for a month and a half, you know, and, you know, wasn't terribly communicative. Why not Molly? I don't know. Everyone's looking. I know. She's into you. She's a cutie. She's funny. She's smart. Well, then she, but then when I came back, like she was seeing someone else, and which is fine, right? And it just didn't, materialized. But I think the world of her, and she's so funny, so self-deprecating, so honest, all these

things, yeah. Sally was seen with Craig at, like, Nobu or something? That was with his, like, that was a late dinner with his, like, his, like business managers. Oh, okay. So it wasn't anything like that was nothing. I almost timed in. I saw that post and I was like, Jeff, this isn't what you do. Stay the F out of it. And here I am stepping all in it with the page done. But I didn't say anything. You seemed, I think it's not what you say. Maybe it's how you said it. It seemed like you were angry about it. If you would have explained it like you did here, like, Bravo, Bravo, but I think at that after show, you seemed like he did about it. I kind of, I was at the moment because I was just like, man, we've all taken our relationship lumps. But, but again, I'll reiterate, like,

maybe they're the ones that are smarter than us all, you know. It was the end of the day they broke up. Well, that's true. That's true. And, you know, as a. If you're a fan, I wonder what you're feeling on that is. Yeah. Like, I wish we'd have seen some stuff or, you know, like some fissure, which can be repaired always, I guess. I don't know. Do you think Austin and Audrey are going to get married?

I don't know. Can't answer that. Which one of you will get married first? You, Craig or Austin. Well, I'm not really, I'm sort of looking. I'm actively looking in a good way. Yeah? I'm optimistic.

Are you still on Raya? Yeah, but I'm not very active on that. So where are you looking? Just go into visit friends. And so, yeah, I mean, yeah, I meet people. Organically. Organically, if I can. Like hit on girls at bars.

Friends of friends or something like that. Being introduced and stuff. Yeah, and yeah, some of the latter or former. What is your, like your mom? Is she like, Shepie, when am I going to see some grandkids? She doesn't really care. No? She's got five grandkids.

Okay. And my dad are getting older. Like, they can't help out the way that they did with my. with my nieces and nephew. Uh-huh. So it's okay. It's everything's fine. They're okay with it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. My dad finds everything I do quite amusing. But do you want kids one day? Sure. Oh, you do? Sure. Maybe you'll be Robert De Niro's age.

Like, who knows? I hope not that old. Yeah. I hope not that old. He's out here. It might be the best thing that, you know, marriage and kids might be exactly what I need almost. Like, talk about like a mechanism to keep you honest and keep you focused on something other

than yourself. and chasing your own whims and happiness. I think that that's kind of a lovely thought to have. Of course, it's a lot of work. I'm not saying it's just like a state of mind. Yeah. But I think it could be incredibly rewarding in so many different ways. So you're looking.

Yeah. Okay. Well, girls, Shep is single. He's a look-in. Okay, please, nobody come after me. I'm really just trying to be honest and say how I feel, okay? Come after you in a way. I don't know.

Whatever I said over the fast out. In general, disclaimer. Yeah, don't like attack me on the street, please. No. No. Do you ever get attacked in this? No, no. In fact, I almost get zero negative encounters. Everyone's very happy in person to see me.

I feel like negativity just is online. Yeah, it's just like interviews with athletes. It's like when they say something real, everyone gets pissed off. But when they give you a can't answer, everyone gets pissed off that they're not saying something real. You know what I mean? You can't, you can't, when you can't lose? What's the saying? Can't win for losing?

No. But Chef just makes everything like more, like fancier. You can't win for a reason. I'm an enhancer. Thank you for coming on, Cheb. It was my pleasure. I want to talk to you for years, honestly. Yeah?

Like since I, since fucking 20, what? Nah, what? Sally being on many shows. Page new boyfriend? Oh, she wants to know what you think about. I've only seen what you've seen, which is like pictures of like in a like a blurry picture of somebody holding hands. I'm like, I'm sorry.

That doesn't mean much to me. But by the way, if that's, if she finds happiness, please, please find happiness. I agree. I always say this. Like, when people get divorced or breakup, I'm happy. It's better. You want to continue a charade even if it's one, for one person it wasn't. For one person, maybe it was, you know?

And whatever, like non-TV TV, if people end, ending a relationship, it's probably because it fucking wasn't good. And when you get blindsided, it's the worst. And Craig, you know. And I think Craig felt blindsided, but he's handled it really, really classy. And I'm proud of him for that. And, you know, again, we all have a TV show to make. Who knows what's going to, who's going to say this and that. But, again, that's fine.

Like, everybody needs to take a deep breath and realize that it's been 10 seasons now. Like, I'm going to say, you know, I've got to put my opinion out there. Otherwise, we don't have anything to do. You know what I mean? And what do you think? Are we going to see you on TV for how many more years? Oh, my God. I don't know. As long as people want to watch, I mean, I think ratings were really good this year.

So, like, who am I to pull, you know, pull the rug out? I love it. It was a good season. It was a very good season. It was subtle, wasn't it? Yeah, but it was subtle with like moments, you know? Real deep-seated moments. And it did really fast, but always with a sullet, we can't end a season of Southern Charm without a sullet. And a makeout. And a little, I mean, a makeout. Would you call it that?

Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Was their tongue? I mean, I think a little bit. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you. You're welcome.

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