Not Skinny But Not Fat - SOUTHERN CHARM'S OLIVIA FLOWERS ON HER OWN SCANDOVAL

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Olivia is not your typical reality tv star- she’s grounded, level headed and gracious. Olivia Flowers has had quite the season on Southern Charm, from finding out her best friend and ex boyfriend hooked up to tragically losing her brother. She opens up about how she dealt with mourning while filming, being the center of a love triangle, her new boyfriend and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You look so cute. Thank you. Olivia Flowers is here, which by the way, what a good last name. Thank you. I like it. Everyone thinks my name's a stage name. Is it? No.

Oh, okay. It's like flowers. It's such a good last name. Thank you. was Southern Charm in the house. I'm a huge fan of the show. Tell us how you got on the show. Did you ever discuss this? A couple of times. I mean, I was, I'm family friends with Leva and like my dad and her husband do business together. And so she reached out to me when I was living in LA at the time, working as a production assistant. And she called me and she's like, they're looking for

new faces. I'm just going to put your name in to see how it goes. I never thought it would continue to go. But it was also around the time of COVID. So I had like months. to really think about it and talk about it with my family and, you know, some of my other castmates they've told me they got their contract in, like, a week after talking to them. So you had a lot of time to process. I had a lot of time. So you were in L.A. What were you trying to do in L.A.? Initially, I just always knew I wanted to be in the entertainment industry. And I went out there initially like thinking, acting, but then I got the job as a production assistant. And I love behind the camera. Were you on a show, like on a show. Yeah. It was called The Colony. It was scripted. It was on U.S.

USA. And so it was on the Paramount lot. And then I also did like subbed in for other projects. And then I started working for an acting coach. And she was like a coach that got hired after actors booked their jobs. So like she would go to set and coach there. Oh, cool. And so I got to kind of be her assistant. And I learned a lot with like casting and editing. And I, and I just, I loved it. And then COVID hit. And then the show came. Wow. So a huge detour. But I was happy about it because my family was in Charleston. So I wanted to be close to them. So you were in L.A. by yourself, like, straight out of college.

Mm-hmm. You were like, I'm going to try to get into this industry. Did you get on any auditions? Did you, like, have any? I, so I had an agent in Atlanta because Atlanta is huge for filming. Originally, you're from Texas. Texas, yeah. I was born in California, raised in South Carolina, but moved to Texas in high school.

So Texas is home. And then college was? Clemson, which is South Carolina. Oh. Okay. And then L.A. Yeah. And you would have stayed in L.A. if not for the show, you think? I think for a little while longer, but I always knew I wanted to go back and be closer to family.

And the show just came and kind of expedited my decision to go back. But I would have stayed a little bit longer. I was getting excited about things in L.A. And your family that whole time was in Charleston. Yes. And then we meet you, season eight, and you're, like, living with your family in the house. Yeah. And at that point, you had met Austin.

Mm-hmm. So Leva introduced you kind of before the show. Is that what happened? Yeah, Leva introduced us. He, like, reached out to her and was like, who is this? And then she kind of like set us up to me. He came to Leva and I's combined birthday. Oh, you did a birthday with her? Yeah. Before filming? Before filming. Oh, wow. I know. So that was if you have the same birthday. Like around. She's like three weeks ahead of me, but we like forced it. And it was like 30 of love us friends and six of mine. And four of those were my family members. So.

it's more a love is party was she trying to get you like in with the with the crowd i think so yeah yeah she knew i was coming back and like wanted me to just like be around it and she's like big sister for me there so yeah that's what that was so you met him that night at the party i met him one other time before but at the party was like we were both there to kind of like see each other and hang out how long was that before starting a film i'm wrong i'm so sorry okay i Craig and Austin had a bachelor party in Palm Springs when I was in L.A. And I had already met them once. And they're like, come up. What's a bachelor party? Oh, somebody else was getting married. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I was like,

what is like, what is like, no. And I like, I remember showing up. And it was like, all, of course, it was all dudes. And I was like, oh, my God, they're going to think I'm entertaining. Well, I wanted to go hang out with Austin and Craig. And I just like was, and I took one of my girlfriends. But I remember walking. And I was like, they're going to think we're the strippers. Like, we're the only girls here in the desert. And we're walking into this party but it was really fun so wait was the were the other dudes not mad that like girls came to the bachelor party i did ask but they all were cool and they were from charleston i knew some of them too so ended up being like a fun hangout but did any of it feel like trying to set something up before the show started filming or was that like between you and austin or was that not the vibe

no i mean it really stayed between austin and i because like we connected and then talked and hit it off on our own. The show just, of course, encourages whatever direction you're going in. So he and I were already kind of talking before. So they're like, great. Like, let's follow this. Yeah. So that's why I always am like, no, I didn't get the show because. Because of Austin. Yes. It's such a big misconception. I think the way that the show starts and you're introduced is like, here's a girl that Austin is like seeing now. Yeah. And Austin came on because of Leva. Right. And Austin does the introduction for me. So that is obviously why that. kind of seems. But yeah, Leva is the reason I'm on. Is she, aside from her, like, did you

click with any of the girls before you started filming? Naomi and I got off on a rough start as well as Benita. But the next party after our argument, we like squashed it and have been close friends since. Taylor was like one of the first, I would say. I just feel like we had more in common. Yeah. Is she your eight? Is she younger than you a little bit? She's a year younger than two years younger but no I mean I really felt like I hit it off I felt like I kind of had it easy coming in you can't yeah I didn't get tossed in as for any kind of drama or I was thinking that because I was like you're coming on a show season eight these people all like have been together for so long usually that would be a rough start yeah you didn't really have that I didn't feel like

I mean everyone was really cool like welcoming me in and my family had lived there for so long so I feel like they'd kind of like establish themselves there and And so it was, it was an easy transition. I got lucky because I've seen other people not so much. Well, I think it's not lucky. I think it's you because you, I think from the beginning you just are a good person and that chose, you know? And like, you didn't seem like you were there to, you know, cause any drama or like

ruffle up any feather. Ruffle? Well, also, too, like they want, they really love like my parents being a part of it. And like the family dynamic. So I was like, that, I mean. Why did they love that? There was a lot of wine. It was a cool vibe, right?

A lot of wine. A lot of wine is always like offering wine. Does that happen like all the time when you go home? Happy hour is a big, big thing in our house. So do you have other friends in Charleston aside from the show or did you not really have like a court group there? I had a couple friends from college that lived there. But no, like my core group was more in Dallas and Greenville, South Carolina where I grew up. So.

So was that hard in that way that you didn't really have friends there? Yeah, kind of. And also like I'm not. But Charleston's always been the place that I vacation and visited growing up. It was never a place I lived. So it was kind of an adjustment, like living in your vacation place. Yeah. But do you love it now?

I do. Yeah. Are you going to stay there, do you think? I don't know. I just don't, I feel like I have, like, commitment issues when it comes to geography. Like, I don't ever want to, like, signing lease is the most terrifying thing in the world to me. So I feel like I don't ever. Do you have your own place there now?

So my parents are in Houston, and I am like. the guarding the house guarding the house yeah but i do like i've been looking but i just cannot bring myself why would you though get your own place i know i don't i mean just to have your own stuff like you know like it's my family's house and i feel like i'll feel like a little bit more at home in charleston right now i just like leave every chance i oh you're like traveling a lot and stuff yeah if you guys don't already know about organic olivia let me introduce you Organic Olivia is basically traditional herbalism for modern life health issues. I know that like going to a herbalist can sound a little bit scary or like something woo-woo that, you know, you're not familiar with.

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but I remember having a conversation with my parents because I wanted to just like respect them and how they were feeling and everything. And my dad, you know, he's very business oriented. And he looked at it. I was like, this is a job. This is a commitment. And, you know, it's fine with us. If you want to go back, I do. And it ended up being like a good distraction too. Right. But at the same time, my head was all over the place. Like just watching some of the episodes back, I have. have like zero recollection of some of the conversations I'm having. Not to sound like a forgetful housewife because they always say that. But like I really. Well, you were dealing, you weren't drunk. You were dealing with. Yeah. You're right. Like it could have been a

distraction, but also did you ever feel like how am I talking about this bullshit? Yeah. And like petty fights and boys and whatever. A hundred percent. Where like this huge thing happened and like puts everything in perspective. Yeah. That that's exactly how it felt. It kind of felt like someone just press play you know I said that another time talking about it like everything was pause for a minute and then it was like okay we're back in it and that was that was an adjustment because I didn't want to go off on someone for something that like wasn't meant for them you know so I was really trying to just like oh you weren't trying to like because you were emotional like be harder on people yeah like snap off on someone when

it's like misplaced emotion and I feel like I've you really didn't by the way well I watch it back and I'm like shaking, like, somebody wake her up, like have a reaction. Oh, you think you were like on autopilot a little bit? Yeah, I do. It wasn't until like Jamaica that I kind of see myself reacting more. Like coming back to life. A little bit. Yeah.

It's not in a good way. Like I was so exhausted and so tired and like I just didn't have the energy to keep being polite. Yeah. You know. Ooh, I'm excited for Jamaica. It hasn't aired yet like while we're talking. your brother Connor how was he doing right before like were you in touch with him like did he seem like everything was okay yeah yeah he was actually at a wellness center in sonoma and it was for like

it treated not only like his problems with like the drugs but it also dealt with his limes and like got him on like a strict diet it was just like a full-blown like wellness center and yeah it's Lyme disease Lyme disease yeah and so it just it worked with all the stuff it worked with the addiction it worked with that. It got his like diet on board and it was his idea to go. Like every time he wanted to get better, it was always his idea. So we all went there for Christmas and spent Christmas there with him and it was so much fun. Like Sedona, it was all our first time and he made the absolute most of it for us. And so yeah, that was the last time we were all together as a family and it was like the best, the best memories. And then he came home from there to Charleston and

And that was the last time I saw. We were actually supposed to go to dinner that night. And we just had really great conversations, you know, and not conversations that we would normally have, you know, like really deep and thoughtful conversations. And we got to tell each other things that we wouldn't normally tell one another. And I know now, like, those were all happening for a reason because I just, and I'm grateful for that time.

Yeah. And I'm just, I'm so grateful for it. I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you. It's such a, it's such a sad. thing to happen and for you would happen on TV. And these people were around you, though, like your castmates, supporting you. Very much so. Yeah, you feel like everyone kind of showed out. Yeah, everyone did. I mean, they were great. They all came to the funeral and visitation.

They all came by on separate occasions, brought food. Craig cooked a lasagna, a gluten-free lasagna. And we're all sitting there telling them like, tell Paige, thank you. We like really enjoy lasagna. And he made it. And Austin, he brought a time. of food he came by every day and so yeah they all really stepped up and i will always be grateful for that did your family consider you maybe not sharing the full story of what happened did you guys maybe think like to keep that private or did you know you were going to be transparent about no i mean at the beginning all my focus was on just how they felt you know and i just didn't want to step on their feelings with anything i think we were just really just trying to like get through

the shock of it together. And then I knew when the episode came out that people were going to start asking questions. And I actually got a call. After the episode air, I got a call from the coroner's office in Charleston. And they called and said, page six is blowing us up for the coroner report. Oh, my God. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that. And what did you say? Well, I was just like, well, what's the legal response here? Like, do you have? to and there's this law called four years like freedom of information right and under that you have to turn over for 65 dollars you can buy medical results like that and so they don't need your permission she was really just calling to let us know we're going to have to oh she was giving you a

heads up yeah and i was like how much time do we have and there's a lot of research and i called i mean the network rather like they all were all hands on deck helping me with it and so they helped my family like with a statement and then they also helped us connect with people magazine because we knew like okay page six is going to have something say about this. Oh so you wanted to have your story. Yeah and just like do him justice and not make it so it was just like oh it was like a drug problem and that's it like there was so much more to it. Yeah. He was very, very private about it. But did you feel like responsibility because like you're famous? So that brought that on. Yeah. It was a lot of guilt because he didn't sign up for the show you know like he didn't and here he was like his name was in tabloids

and like my parent i just that was the hardest part is just seeing it affect them and having to deal with what was already so difficult on like another weird level yeah and that was a whirlwind but i mean we had help and well luckily do you feel like because charleston is like so small because i wonder if like in another state you would have even gotten the call you know I mean. Yeah. No, that's so true. I had, I'd been told that that could possibly happen. So when I spoke with them and they were the ones letting me know it could, I'd ask them. I was like, can you give us kind of a heads up? And they didn't have to. So they agreed to. And that's very true. But I learned a lot legally about like our laws and stuff at that time. I was like, wow,

that's foul. So your family and you feel good about kind of getting your story out and being honest and kind of honoring Connor. For sure. Because if it does, bring awareness and help others, which my Instagram messages were just like blowing up with people with all the same experience with Lyme and then turning to addiction because doctors weren't listening to their symptoms. They were just kind of giving them pain medicine. It's just seeing how many people had the same experience was like enough of a reason to be comfortable talking about it. And my parents realized that too. Yeah. Did anybody on the show disappoint during that time? During it, no, but it was, again, like, afterwards, like when we picked back up and started

where we let, like, the drama and stuff, like that to even be talked about. And I just felt like I didn't. Like they're forgetting too quick. Yeah. And I didn't need to be, like, pet and, you know, checked on all the time. But I just would have appreciated a little bit more grace and understanding. Well, that's what makes you so not a reality TV star in a way in the best way I'm saying this. in the best way because like you are so kind you're so gracious i could see so many and we've seen

on other shows like people that deal with you know any sort of trauma or death like would have exploded on anybody rightfully so you know being like i just this happened to me how are you and you literally are just so kind and so didn't go there even though people hurt you yeah and how did you like you're just that kind of a person i think i mean the autopilot thing that you mentioned earlier that was like a big part of it but i do think that i just knew it wasn't going to serve me at all like reacting and if they weren't already thinking in the terms of like what i'm going through like i'm not going to be the one to remind them it's just like okay noted and i think that's why later in the season i do start to kind of have a bit of a temper because i'm just kind of

in shock that people aren't sensitive. Yeah, like I, but I don't know. And I also just wanted to be sure not to just go off the handle. I wanted to, it's funny because people always say that. Like, you handle it so well. But like, looking back on it, I'm like, did I? But, I mean, I appreciate you saying that.

No, it's completely true. Did you watch this show before going on? I did, yeah. Like in general or to get ready for it? In general. I watched it like the early years. Oh, wow. A while ago.

Like when Catherine and what's his show? face? Thomas? Yep. Thomas Ravenel, Catherine. Oh, my God. Yeah, I watched it like early, early on. Did you ever think you would be on it? Like, looking back, like, you watched the show. No. I really, I didn't. Like, when Leva said that to me, I was just like, oh, like, yeah, definitely throw it in there. I didn't think it would get to it. Did you ever think you would be on reality TV? Like, when you said you wanted to be in the industry, was that ever like an option in your mind? No, I didn't. I was thinking, like, scripted. only scripted and to me I looked at this as like another avenue I was a little nervous because you don't really see that many scripted actors go from that to reality you know so I didn't think

that was any kind of springboard you didn't think that was going to like help you yeah with that I honestly was like okay I have to make a decision right I don't think I can do both but then no I didn't think it would be something I would do but I've really well look at Kim Kardashian yeah she's becoming an actress now she is she's popping up all over the play I mean She did H.S. Did you see it? No, I didn't. I haven't either. But I heard she was really good. And now she's like, I think like in two more shows. She popped up in a couple like Tyler Perry movies, I remember. Oh, really? Yeah. Probably like cameos. But this is like she's an actor now. Oh. Yeah. Oh, I got to check that out. Yeah. Anyway, so never say never. Do you feel like when you started the show, obviously reality TV was like new to you? Do you feel like you have your understanding more of how everything. works now i actually do like and i don't know if that's because i'm interested in like paying attention to it but i do i'm catching on and i remember leva before going into it trying to explain to me different things and she was like i honestly can't tell you how this is going to be you just have to

experience it and she was right because it's not only with like the business side of it but like relationships and just how you talk to someone versus i try to think of the way to put like on camera yeah like or just thinking like Like, you're never fully able to, like, trust 100%, you know? And that's like, that was different. Right. Because people will always, part of the show is like, did you hear what she said? Yeah.

Like, she told me this or like, whatever. Season 8 went by pretty, like, unscathed for you aside from the reunion, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, everything came to a head there. And then this season is like your season. Yeah. Like it's kind of all surrounding.

the drama. Did you ever expect that to happen? Did you think, like, oh, I'm going on the show. I'll, like, be in the crew. Did you think, like, you would have a season that was, like, so centered around you? No. I did not expect that starting out. I think, like, in my head, it was if Austin and I, like, move forward and actually started dating, I thought that would be it more. Like, if he and I had drama and, like, I could see that taking more of a presence, but I never saw it going, like, the way that it did. So why did you break up? It was just very shaky to start with, but we got really, really close when cameras went away. That's like when we like dated, dated. And then I remember at reunion. I just like I had had his back a lot when we were together. And it just felt like I'd had his back a lot. And then we go to reunion and he just like didn't have mine at all. That was like the turning point for me.

There were so many different things that happened. But like I just remember for me, that's what changed. just seeing him just sit there quietly at reunion when like Madison was like going in and like making fun of the relationship and saying there wasn't a relationship and he was just quiet and I remember just like my heart sank like I was like that was the first time we were filming like together because we don't film together on the season we're kind of like off having conversations about each other so then to like spend eight months together and then do reunion and see him at like that like I was like I just felt like everything was like not real not real

yeah and it I don't know we were so back and forth like I think we had no business going into things romantically we should have just stayed friends oh from the beginning you think it shouldn't have happened yeah because we were much better friends he where I'm at in the season now it sounds like you're the one that got away for for him like he's like I love her he says it to you he says it to Madison which is how weird was that seeing Madison and Austin talking about you that was that was that was, and I made a comment on there, and I actually apologized to Madison for it when I was like, how would you feel if your spouse was talking about like her and her husband? I was like, how did you feel if your spouse was talking to the ex? And I felt really bad for saying that. I didn't even remember saying it. And I watched it back. And I was like, I'm so sorry. Well, just like talking about Brett. Like I was saying, how, I wonder how Brett feels like if Madison's sitting there talking to that. I don't know. Because I just, I don't know anything about. So sweet that you apologize. Are you and Madison like cool now, though? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. From the beginning, it's weird, though, because you both dated Austin, but obviously everyone's so incestuous. What do you think about that? How is everyone so incestuous? Forgive everybody so quickly, move on. Chef is okay with Taylor and Austin. He's okay with the nude sent to Whitney. Like, everything's okay with everybody. That was Chef's like mantra this season. Like, everything's okay. We're okay. I'm okay. Everything's okay. And I was like, if you do that, kumbaya yash it to me one more time. Is he faking it or does he not care? maybe. No, I think he really, I think he just has, he doesn't care. Like, I think he's so, like, I don't want to waste time caring about this stuff. Like, let's move on from it. And, like, I can appreciate that part of him, but I can also see how it causes people like Taylor to get upset. Like, that was something that she was so bothered by in the breakup. It's like, you just don't show any remorse. You don't show sadness that you don't have me anymore. Like,

that was, like, her big thing with him. But that's just, yeah, that's just feel like that's how they deal with it all because they know they're going to be around each other all the time they know they have like great chemistry i'm talking about like the guys like shep craigin austin so i think they just feel like they're better together than apart so they just bounce back really quick it's funny austin i mean yeah austin said in the last episode that i watched when page didn't end up coming to jamaica and he was like not that there's trouble in paradise with craig and page but if there was like i wish you would tell me like dude you can tell me and i'm like watching austin say this like I want him to know that you can tell me anything.

And I'm like, is he okay? Like, he really thinks like he's this, like, trustworthy person. Like, they fucked each other over so many times. Didn't, like, one of them tell Lindsay back on Winterhouse at the other. I mean, they just constantly. And it's like, how can you trust each other? It's a different, like, realm of friendship. Like, I don't understand it.

A lot of us don't. I don't have friends like, like, I don't have friendships like that. But I think they just know, like, what works for them. But yeah, it's wild. I'm with you. eBay and I and you. I mean, we go way back. I've been using eBay before there even was an Amazon or online shopping.

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eBay.com for terms. So this season, we have the obvious drama with Taylor and Austin trying to maybe have something right after you broke up. I couldn't remember like how close we're, because this season starts you and Taylor are. He's in two P's in Pod. You're so close. How close were you when this allegedly went down? Well, not allegedly, I guess, when this went down between them. I mean, we were, we were very close at that point. We got close when we were both dating them. Like, when I was with Austin, she was with Shep. That's when we got close because, like, the four of us hung out a good bit and were travel. And then the breakups obviously made us closer because we, like, confided at each other and both were there for one another. So this is actually wild. It's like as wild as it looks.

It's, yeah, no, it is because it, I noticed, because you didn't see a lot of the friendship in our first season, that's like when we're meeting. So I know it can seem that I'm being dramatic or I'm like beating a dead horse. It doesn't seem like you were that close. Yeah, but there's so much going on off camera. And then we pick cameras back up. So it's like, people have to remember there's an eight month gap here of things that happen. And so I, I never want to like make it seem that I'm trying to like be overkill or or dramatize something when it wasn't. that big like i didn't want this for taylor and i at all but it seems like you really care about her yeah like even after finding this out you go to lunch you try to go up to her parents house what happened there you come you do the whole drive how long is the drive five hours crazy to watch i didn't even know it was that long you drive up to the mountain open mind you have your suitcase you roll on in and you roll on out what happened like what What happened in that conversation on the deck there that really made you switch like that? I just sincerely felt at that point that she was lying to me.

Like, we had had so many conversations. And each time there was something new. So this conversation, I just, I was like, she's not telling me the truth. And the last thing I wanted, because I do, I adore her parents. She's got a great family. The last thing I wanted to do was stay there after feeling this way. It was just like the more we talked and the more things she said that weren't adding up, I was like. This is a mistake.

How long were you there in reality? Well, oh, at her house, an hour. Where did you think you were going? Did you see it? No, I saw it. It was confusing. Yeah. So now we know, five hour drive.

You leave thinking, I don't even know where I'm going from here. I just know I have to get out. Yes. They end up being around. So you, you cast the guys thing. Yeah. And then sleep at Shep's that night. Uh-huh.

But see her there. Yeah. Was that super awkward? Yeah. Yeah, I was pretty uncomfortable. And then you have to kind of be there for her because Shep was me. Right. It's such a, it's like, it's such a weird.

That's how I was. It was one second. I'm just like over and don't want to see her. But my heart's still in it where I care about her as her friend. Yeah. And then, yeah, what Shep said was pretty terrible. So even if I wasn't friends with a girl, I'd be like, yeah. Here's my line to throw at him.

What she is admitting on the show, to make it to clear, is, like, she and Austin for a second thought that they would try because they had such a close bond. Yeah. That in itself, without hooking up or having sex, is obviously breaking girl code, breaking friend code, breaking all the code. It's fucked up. And, like, how would she even? When she said to the camera, whatever, confessional, it happens all the time. Did you see that part? Yeah.

two best friends because I'm like it happened what like 60 minutes is she watching that it's like happening all the time I was that's when I was like you were saying about other people having no remorse that kind of felt to me pretty wild that felt like she doesn't see this as a mistake she sees this as it would have made total sense yeah and it's comments like that that happened that she kept saying in conversations that made me realize that like we are on very different pages here with how we value friendships and say the least though Olivia yeah no like it was but then it's like when she says stuff like that I was just sitting there like I don't even have a response to that because my brain doesn't even operate in that place yeah and so I don't

want to I don't even know where to begin to explain how how bizarre that was that you just said that so I was just in every conversation was like that stuff's not adding up and you just got to be honest with me it's going to be hard. It's going to be awkward and weird, but like it's going to get so much worse if you're not. What did you feel like she was lying about? Well, the first time she told me that they just thought. Right. And then you found out they did make out. Well, I was just like. Then you found out she made the move. He said it and she said it. Yes. But then she's or up and down there was no kiss. And then the next time we want to talk, she was like, well, there was a kiss. Like, it just was trickle of truth. And then every time she did want to like tell me, I was in such

an uncomfortable place. Like, did you see the pheasant dinner episode, like, where she tells me that they actually did kiss. And then chef's like, everyone sit down, put a smile, and eat a pheasant. And so I didn't even have the space to react. And that's when I was just like. That's the dinner that Madison is yelling at her. No, that was, you know, we're eating some other animal.

We're eating steak at JT's clubhouse. I weirdly, even though I had a lot of anger watching Taylor, how she treated you, how Madison was taking out her own stuff on Taylor. Yeah. Was, and you defended Taylor in that moment, too. Mm-hmm. Because it seemed like a lot. But do you think there's any?

And then I got a lot of actual messages saying that Madison is right that if she did that, there's a double standard. Yeah. Yeah. She would get called all these names by the guys, which she has. And Taylor somehow is doing this wild shit. Yeah. And they're like, oh, Taylor, like, you know, Bible.

Do you think there is a double standard there? I do. I definitely do. In the moment, I wasn't thinking of it like that. I was just trying to, like, protect Taylor from Madison's outbursts. But thinking about it later and, like, Madison even saying that, like, if I did that, I was like, yeah, there's a very much a double standard. And I honestly don't know exactly what it is. Like, I don't know if it's, like, Madison's just, I think it's like the South, you know? Like, Taylor plays into the, like, good girl thing. And, but yeah, I felt that too. And mind you, that day was my day was my way. my first day back after being off from everything. So I didn't know what was happening. So when they started talking about the nude picture and like everything, I was just, I mean, the steak fell out my mouth. I was like, what are we talking about here? It sounds like to me now to like psychoanalyze her since Shep wasn't giving any reaction to any of this,

like she just kept on doing wild shit. Yeah. It's like maybe now he'll react if I fucking send a nude to Whitney. Yeah. Maybe now he'll react if I consider dating him. best friend. No, I think you're spot on with that. And in that sense, it is. She's spiraling in this season, though. I feel like that's no excuse to what she did to you and your friendship. But, like, you can tell that she's spiraling. Yeah. And that's, I mean, a lot of why I wanted to still be able

to be there for her and why I was like trying to get us to like a better place even amid what she was telling me. But at some point, I'm like, I got to, I got to have my own back in this. So did Did you give up on trying to repair that friendship? I did, yeah. And did she? I would think so, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we haven't talked really since filming other than, like, our moms are still friends.

And, you know, her mom will send me, like, very sweet messages. And, but, like, Taylor and I know I don't, we don't talk. Did she ever, or did anyone else in the group say, like, you're being more mad at her than you are at Austin and why? Not in the group, because I think, like, they understood, like, knowing Austin and I's history and me probably just, like, falling back into old habits, but, like, the viewers and stuff, they're... The viewers can be harsh with them. They're all saying that, and, like, rightfully so, like, I can understand why it seems like I'm giving one a pass and they're not. But in your defense, like, you're not dating Austin anymore. Right.

Austin is your ex. She's your friend. Like, you can be mad at him, but at that point. point like you weren't in a relationship with him anymore right so you can like but then yes you reached out to you about your brother and you were but to me it feels like if taylor was trying that hard you'd probably give her space too yeah yeah i think that's a really good point i think too like austin reached out like came through at a time where i was very vulnerable and i had already started pulling away from taylor because we had had all these conversations where things were

adding up so like it was just like the timing of it all and I just was looking for like comfort and and that was Austin and I just didn't I didn't want to keep trying with Taylor because I didn't think I was I felt like I was kind of the only one trying and then Austin just swooped in at the right time and he was really there for me and we had like trauma bonding if you want to call it that and so I leaned into that because I didn't I mean Austin did a lot of fucked up shit not only to you in general but it does seem in this case of your brother passing and also with you specifically he's like going to therapy and he says like i went because of olivia yeah i was like wait are you're not sure no i was like

i didn't it sounds like he's making it seem like you're the one that got away and that he doesn't like wants to understand himself like why would he yeah not cherish this thing that he knows is so great yeah but that's the thing like we just everything with him the timing of it was what was so uncomfortable like he would want to be in relationship like right before bravo con or reunion or something and then it was like right after reunion when like he was one that was like I don't want to do this anymore like it just and so that's what I mean like it just felt very it started to feel very disingenuine there towards the end and like I don't know that's it's just that's how I was going off of that so now you're dating somebody

not on reality TV me correct You have a boyfriend. How's that? How long has it been? It's been seven months. Oh, wow. I know. Going strong.

I know. I had him like just, I didn't really like talk about him much. I wanted to like see how it went first, you know, and then. And then you hard launch. And then I hard launch. I know. I didn't even know what a soft launch was. And I was like, oh, was it a soft launch or hard launch?

No, it was a soft launch. And then I was like, okay, well, I'll do a hard launch now. Yeah. That's exciting. Yeah. No, I like him a lot. He lives in Dallas, which is like where I'm from. so it just is another kind of long distancey though then it is but he can work remote so he's in

charleston he's finance right but yes that's good yeah are you happy that he's not like in this world i am but he also never watched the show like i made him watch it with me one time and it was i have like a video of him watching it only one episode it was the first episode i made him watch was from last season and it was when we were at where we went to that place that Whitney took us anyways we're playing beer olympics like we're getting hammered and so I put that one on because I was like I feel like that can Like he needs to get the vibe Yeah

Are you preparing him like you think he might come on? I don't know I haven't we haven't talked about it yet He's just very much like do what you need to do Kind of guy like he doesn't Seen like he would be interested in being on But he's very supportive and I think if if there was a time Where it would work for him to come on makes sense

Yeah Do you see this being like the one? So far. Yeah And weirdly you were on vacation with him and Austin together. Weirdly. Yes. So. In the same vicinity. Same house. Yeah. And everything. The people who have the house there, they, we met them when we were like when Austin I were together. So then when we broke up, we both still stayed friends with them. So they were

just like, well, we're going to keep inviting you to these things and y'all. To our house in the Bahamas? Yeah. Okay. Good friends to make. I know. That's why I was like, listen, Austin, you don't matter enough for me not to go on this trip. Let's figure it the fuck out. Like, I'm going on this I wonder though if you, for you, it's not hard, you have this new guy you're happy. Was it, did it seem like it was hard for him? No. No? No.

And if it did, I wasn't paying attention. And like him and your boyfriend vibed. They did. I remember, like, on the way there, I was like trying to like, I was telling Alex, I was like, yeah, you know, when you get drunk, you're a little, like, you're very nice, but you don't have to be too nice with Austin. You can just be like, sup, buddy. Like, you don't have to be buddy buddy.

He's like, I got this. It's fine. And then four hours later, I look and they're both driving up on a golf cart together. And I was like, there weren't enough golf cars at the club. Y'all had to get in the same one. But no, it was, it was fine. It was fine. Yeah.

So I have to ask quickly about Rod. Okay. Was there ever a vibe? There was. It was before filming. Because on camera didn't look like a vibe. I know. I'm not kidding.

Like, how things went with Austin first time around on camera, I was, like, genuinely holding back this. I was like, I just don't think I want another. relationship like i don't want to figure this out with someone on camera again and like i know that's not how it's supposed to go but i just i couldn't help but think that way and also rod he's not anything like austin like they're they're very completely different but it was it was me like i was the one that made it complicated because no yeah like but were you you weren't feeling him that's what it looks like i think i was feeling him at the beginning and then the more convoluted things got

for me mentally like the less the more i started to pull back and oh wait then i have to ask about this now I just remembered it's not even the bra because like I'm a take off the bra the minute I get home too but like am I like go to somebody's house hang out that's a boy and take off the bra right away yeah I get it I get it I seriously was an uncomfortable bra you took it off and loved it there yeah it was we were out downtown he I was ready to leave and he was like let's go back to my place and we hadn't hung out in a while and we were finally back in a good place So I was like, yeah, I love that idea. And we went and we had fun, talked, wine, put on a movie and just I had a huge hoodie on and just out of comfort, like, did it.

And then I was leaving to get my Uber and he's like, wait, your bra and I was halfway out the door. And I was like, just throw it away. And I remember the next morning waking up and I was like, what a fucking idiot you are. And sure enough, everyone knew about the next day. How did everyone know, somebody saw it? Austin had a girl come over after me. That night. Like, tendered somebody.

on the couch displayed it. I'm the idiot. Wait, you didn't do anything with him that night. No, nothing. Yeah. If you would have, you would have regretted it probably. Instantly. But also, everyone would have known about it.

Look, I left my bra there in the whole town Charleston knows about it. You think if we didn't hook up, that would be out there too. Right. But, no, nothing happened. What time did you leave? Midnight? Uh-huh. No, I'm just wondering what time, like, random girls are coming over to Austin's house.

That was just like in process. That's what another episode when he's saying, he's like, you know, I'm just in a place right now where I'm not doing anything with any women. And he's saying that to Rod. And Rod's friend is the one who went over there. So Rod's sitting there like, well, you just had a girl over last night. So you can't be too serious about that. Well, it was going back to Rod. Like, I think people were like, oh, Rod.

And then there was judgment on him too for like not having any tact and asking you to be exclusive during. first of all while you're like at chaps and like everything's crazy and then also like when you're obviously like going through it like it didn't like the fact that he thought it was the right time was a little weird i i know that i feel like he was put in a really difficult position because we were in a place where we were seeing each other we had gone on dates i had expressed interest and then this big thing happens and he wanted to like be there for me and wasn't sure how just like in the place he was in and I don't know I think maybe he just but he's a good guy such a good guy yeah I mean such a good guy like an absolute gentleman he's so smart he's so witty

and I hate that you don't get to see all of those sides of him this season but I think you do get to see that like he's a good one yeah for sure yeah just that he the little tactless yeah you know trying to have that conversation that time well it was just bad too we had like Jerry springer of Taylor shut behind us happening and he's like come here for a second boyfriend girlfriend And you're like, no, but it was nice because then, that's what I mean. Like, you didn't lead him on then. Like, he asked you, and you gave the answer at that point. I'm glad it turned out like that.

I was, like, pretty wine intoxicated. And in my head, I was just talking in circles, but I remember watching it back. And I was like, oh, that made sense. Yeah. Sweet. Okay. A couple questions before you go, quick ones. Who do you think is more likely to end up single forever?

Shep or Austin? Shep. Shep. Who's going to stand Southern Charm the longest? Chef. Shep. from one to ten how intimidated are you by pat five yeah not that intimidating uh-uh really no she i mean she seems lovely i think if you're on her bad side yeah you should definitely put that up there to attend

and also how is kathy hilton's holiday party she was such a fan girl that's such a cool invite it was so cool no it was so much fun i i really really really wanted to get a picture with her and the whole night i was like okay just get that just get that and then i'm on the car to impress and I turned my right and she's right there says hi to me and I froze and I was like do we have any pictures of me at least looking at her like no no are you a fan of

Beverly Hills yeah oh you are yeah what else do you watch Vanderpump Vanderpump Beverly Hills and then Charm or like my three oh sick yeah did you what did you think about the comparisons with like Scandavall and your

Scandavall no like I didn't feel like it was even close not in the same arena yeah I didn't like that at all. I remember we were in BravoCon and I was like talking to Sandoval and there was someone else there and they were like oh yeah Olivia's on Southern Charm she's kind of in a love triangle too and Tom was like oh yeah and they're like yeah but she's the Ariana and he was like oh my god I'm not I'm not the Ariana that was so much worse yeah yeah well you handle

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