Not Skinny But Not Fat - SPENCER PRATT: FAME, FIRES, AND NOT HOLDING BACK

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Spencer Pratt is BACK and as unfiltered as ever. We get into the horrific LA fires and how it impacted their lives, his new show on HULU, and how Heidi became the pop star of our generation. He breaks down his beef with Alex Cooper, Lauren Conrad, and what really went down behind the scenes of The Hills. Crystals? Obviously. Drama? Always. Vibes? Chaotic in the best way.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Treat your closet to a little summer glow-up with Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns.Get the Rakuten app NOW and join the 17 million members who are already saving! Cash Back rates change daily, see Rakuten.com for details. Your Cash Back really adds up!Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code NOTSKINNY20 at checkout for 20% off your FIRST order.And right now, IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, text NOTSKINNY to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.Tired of dealing with shedding and thinning? Take back control of your hair with Vegamour. For a limited time go to VEGAMOUR.com/notskinny, code notskinny to get twenty percent off your first order.No matter how you say it, don’t overpay for it. Shop data plans at MINTMOBILE.com/notskinny.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch. And I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars of my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. You guys? You know, it's so funny, I woke up today early with the kids at around six. Six, I mean, that's just a new hour of my life that I used to only freaking wake up at a time when I had to go to the airport.

Okay, now the hour that's weird to wake up at when you go to the airport is four. Six is a normal me hour. Anyway, I woke up with the kids and then I let husband sleep in today because we do that for each other sometimes. Yes, it's called like just good partners, like good people. I don't know. And he woke up. And then I was, like, singing something. I can't remember what song I was singing. And he was like, what literally happened? He was like, what happened this morning? Like, what news did you get? And I was like, oh, my God, I don't know. I'm just in a good mood. Like, sometimes. Like, sometimes. Like, sometimes. Like, sometimes. Like, the ups and downs, guys. What do you want me to be? Like, grouchy, like, good morning. I woke up at six. Which I could be, I guess, sometimes. Like, you know, when you let your partner sleep, but then you secretly hate them for it. breath they take in their sleeper, like, but I didn't feel that way today. So I guess he was shocked. Anyway, how is everybody? I truly miss you. I truly, truly, truly, truly miss you. I feel like we didn't, just like, I feel like I didn't do like AMAs in a while. I feel like I didn't do

like, when do you guys want to hear from me? I never do that. Just kidding. If you know me, you know it never. If you see a post for me that says, let me know what you want to see more of. Recipes D-R-W-Ns Like, know that I am kidnapped, okay? And that you need to help me. Literally, oh my God. I just can't, like, why would I ask you what to do?

Like, I will ask you other things, like what medicine to give my kids or, like, how to treat the flu. Like anything else, I will ask you and I need you. But I will not ask you to tell me what to do. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, we have such a fun episode today. Spencer Pratt is,

finally on. And when I say finally, it's because I've wanted this guy on like forever. And I love that he's finally on when he's like, on one hand, sliving. On the other hand, like went through the biggest trauma ever. But, you know, as he will say in our conversation, it's so mixed and crazy because on one hand, they lost everything in the LA fires. And that's just indescribable to have lost so much of your life and everything they've worked for, they've put in that house. But at the same time, the meteoric rise of his wife, Heidi, to pop sturdum, okay? It's just wild. I have to say, this is like my opinion on Spencer.

Love the guy. I'm rooting for them as a family. I'm obviously rooting for Heidi. But I think I even say it to him in this interview. Like, he's the star to me. Like, he, like, I love his support of Heidi and I think she's killing it. like he like what are we doing with him what do we do with him like he's just so unapologetic he's one of the first to be that way to say i want to be famous i don't give a shit he says why

you know being famous is so important to him and look at him like a decade later plus plus plus he's still around and doing bigger things than ever and i really do you know just wish for them to have continued success so they can rebuild a home for their family and you know spencer he's just like unappellant Donna Clay, Rodwell. He truly is. He's so fucking wild. And he's on the new Hulu show, got to

get out, which you can watch now. So he's everywhere. And I have a feeling, I tell him in the pod, like I have a feeling him and Heidi are going to get their own show. That's my feeling. I'm putting it out there. And if not, that I'm manifesting it for them. So

enjoy my conversation with Spencer, you guys. Oh, you're in a full press day. You're like in a place with a studio and a, you know, help, let's be people helping you. Full transparency. When I drove to ABC Disney lot, I imagined I was coming to a podcast studio with like microphones and, but it's a lovely conference room with a, it looks like a nice 2019 laptop. I'm sure, you know, they're, they're going to get ahead of the curve in the future. Get like those, like, those, like, a media room. I mean, it just shows you guys, like, you know, and I feel like you say this a lot, and that's kind of part of your whole vibe.

Like, it's not what it seems as you guys. Nothing is. You know what I mean? The glitz and the glam and the fucking whatever. It isn't, you know, I went to New York Fashion Week show once, and I wanted to die. Like, it was awful. I hated it.

Everyone was pushing me. Went through like an ugly back door. it's boring there's no food there's no drink you know it's it's very disheartening it's but you know it's lovely people here that yeah you know there's no no no of course we love hulu the human beings typed up the human beings that i should have read for this podcast no notes they look beautiful, though, the holiday, like structure, the bolding. And I, you know, I thought, is a great. Yeah.

I don't need my kids one day. Yeah. Well, you don't need any prep for this. I went on your pod a while ago. You know? Do you remember? And ever since then, spent uphill. Yes, I do remember.

I do remember some things. How are you doing? How are you doing, Mr. Pratt, Mr. Heidi? I'm doing phenomenal. And so I tell myself every second try to stay positive because so many great things are going on. And if I focus on so many terrible things, I would as the kids say, crash out or spiral or I think. Wait, how old are you, Spencer? Remind me. It's not put me in a demo here. I'm trying to hit all quadrants.

People want to, you know, hit a Google search and help my my search. Q or whatever it is. Because you said, as the kids say, oh, 41. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I shouldn't. No, I felt like we were the same age, you know, so I was wondering like. Oh, well, how old are you? I'm 36.

We're in the same demo. Yeah, we're in the same demo, yeah. So as the kids say, so you're being. I'm trying not to crash out, you know. You were from day one. I mean, we all kind of watched you, obviously, like a reality show on like TikTok and Instagram. how did you like, how were you acting so together from day one?

Did like the camera documenting like help the situation? Are you a positive guy? Did when you stopped TikToking, were you in a different mood? It's funny for years ever since I first like 2016 when I first Snapchated myself all day long. I was joked that it's like having your internal monologue out. loud and I always felt like that helped me process things. Some people use therapy or whatever. And then the great part about, you know, comment sections, replies is you have people giving you free therapy advice, whether it's terrible, evil. So you get all the like ways you can be looking

at your life. So I do think it was very helpful. And it was, it took me out of reality because when you're like just locked into like a phone and talking to strangers all day long and engaging with bots. You know, it's easier because you start calling your mom who's hysterically crying all day long. You know, we can't leave her white walled room. You could lock into that too and want us to just start crying all day. So thankfully also having kids, you can't be crying all day long in front of your kids. So, you know, that helps put on a, it's not an act. It's just like choosing what emotions to.

like focus on but no i'm being like i am not positive about citrus the only thing i'm positive about are the good things that came from it with people supporting hidey's music and you know really helping her achieve such a next level of little legit pop stardom you know being top 52 in the billboard charts and all the you know number one on dance number two on day like all those things like I just focus on that because I'm like, okay, there's, there's the, there's, otherwise it's, it's so horrible. You know, it's so horrible. Like my parents are calling like, hopefully somebody buys our dirt. We, I'm like, what is my life been where like my childhood home, I have like my parents hoping someone's buying their dirt so that they can get a new place so they're not living in an apartment right now at 78, you know, with two dogs.

Oh, your parents are 78 and they're living in an apartment. Yeah, because if you guys don't know, Spencer Pratt, I mean, everybody knows, but your house burned down in the Palisade fires, you were one of the first, you make fun of this. So it's hard for me because I know kind of what you think about this, but you made a comment because it was said you were like one of the first famous people to kind of confirm that this had happened. I remember you then went in. You were like all these years. I've wanted to be called famous and here, here it is. But you were one of the first people to kind of really like we talked about. talk about what's going on, say what happened, be angry with the city. As everybody knows, you're suing the city. But your parents as well lost their home, which is your childhood home. And the Pacific Palisades, like I was, you know, as a fan of the shows that you were on the hills and everything. And knowing the Pacific Palisades, like, it's super booge, right?

Like, the people that were living there. Now, like, ever since Caruso came, like, right before that happened with the village, like my parents probably bought their house for 400 grand back in when they did like the alphabet streets where now houses there were 15 million dollars you could get a house in alphabet street when I was growing up for a quarter million dollars like never growing up was the palisades like oh the palisades like Malibu had more of that and still even Malibu people that argue that Malibu used to not be yeah the beach houses the beach houses but there's regular people that live in. the hills in Malibu. When I say regular, I mean, not ultra elite, wealthy international people. Most of the people aren't even from the U.S. that have all these crazy houses. They're not from Malibu. They're not from Palisades. People are just buying real estate. But yeah, no, now that's why we can't move back. Because to rebuild our 2,500 square foot house in the Palisades would be $5 million. Right. Without furniture. Without any of our stuff in it.

it. And you bought the house? What year was that? We got a mortgage, but we bought it for like, it was, the thing was like two, one, two, three, like eight years ago. Eight years ago. And, and I read that you really poured like every dollar that you made and everything into that house. Legitimately, you could drink our toilet water. It was, I had the best water filters in the house is to, you know, like it was, it was like a portal of heaven. It's so terrible. First of all, I'm so sorry. I didn't drink. As you know. Let's be just saying that was the pitch that Aforah, when they do the system, like, this is, you know, so let's just put that out there. And can you tell us what's going on with like insurance and stuff?

Like is that? Yeah, we got dropped after the Woosley Fire in Malibu farmers, which we paid eight years for or whatever, they dropped everyone in Palisades. So the only insurance you could get, which was even hard to get, was California Fair Plan, which only covered structure, which is $1 million, since we're on a hill to rebuild our structure up to the codes they now have, is $1.5 million in cement and piling's. so let's just say and then they're like oh you can get an SBA loan so now to even do that I'd have a loan for 30 years and it's not like a PPP loan you got to pay it back so we have a mortgage still on the house that's burned down property taxes on a house we can't live on now

potentially a loan that to then now pay for the next 30 years that isn't even enough money to start building the house back so that's why I'm hustling like a psychopath because I'm like Kate McCraey's rich, Lady Gaga's rich, all these pop girls with their work hard. I'm not saying like they're rich. So I'm putting my whole life into achieving as close as we can get to like pop stardom for Heidi. Yeah. But like be able to just buy a house again. How did this idea come to you?

And the craziness of everything, you know, I can't even imagine the emotions. You have two young boys like, how in this is your brain? spinning going, wait, remember that pop album we made for Heidi? I'm going to start pushing that right now. What year did you guys actually make the album? Here's why it's like I don't want to say I'm meant to be because

all my friends and families' house burned down but like on the weird it being meant to be for the timing. So Heidi's song, I'll do it. Blew up on Doyin in China. We're talking billions of streams in the last two years, pre-fire. And then pre-fire

it got up to 800,000 creates as an audio on TikTok. So checks started coming in for the first time in 15 years, like a year ago for the music. And so I'm calling now the music distributor who I've never talked to before. I'm like, yo, how do these checks keep coming? And they're like, oh, it's all algorithms. You're going to need to keep feeding the algorithm for new music

to keep this going. So we reached out to all the hottest, youngest music producers there were, and we started cutting more music. So Heidi has like 24 records pre-house being burned down that we're about to put out as new music every six weeks to keep

superficial album in the algorithm. So the week of the fires, the fire is January 7th, the 15-year anniversary album of Superficial is January 10, 2010. So the week

that this was already happening, I had already been getting ready to re-release the anniversary edition that was coming out on January 10. So I have 40 emails from all these people involved in these music and distributors and re-releases, remixes. So like our house is burning down, but I'm still getting all these emails because the release is on the. So you were in the loop already of the music stuff. Like, let me take what I, like, it was just so, I wouldn't have thought of it. If it was, it was just, if it wasn't just happening at the same time. It was just organically. Three days from three days, January 7th, the house burns down.

January 10th. This is all queued up to be dropping, be released. So I was like, that's crazy. How does, okay, so as an outsider looking in, I'm kind of like trying to, because I see you and you're such a like extroverted, you know, like I said, like you always wanted to be in front of the camera, you talked about it, you loved it. I could never fully understand with Heidi, even from the show. like, what is, you know, like, what does she want it as bad as you?

And even now I'm like, does she, because you see in the videos, like, she's not, she's not where you are with like, we got to do this. We got to. She's more like, I just want to be with my kids and like go to the store, you know? So like, are you a stage husband right now? Like, does she want it as bad as you do? Well, she always wanted to be a singer pre-game reality star. so like before she wanted anything growing up like you watch all her old videos she's like performing

going to the performances the singing stuff then she goes to italy and falls in love of fashion in high school so then she's like i'm going to go to fashion school and be a designer that's where she then meets lc lcc brings her into reality tv and then when i met her she had like a music manager and they were working on like more like Ashley Simpson type music and i was like you don't even listen to this i love Ashley Simpson I'm not shady. I do tell you. And I love the whole album, Claire.

No shade. But I was like, but this isn't what you listen to. You're in the clubs listening to like sexy back, Justin Timberle, Britney, like, why are you doing this type of music? Like, you should. So then I took her to David Foster and he got her with the Swedes and they did body language and blah, blah, blah. Wait, David Foster, David Foster? Yeah. That was the first person.

So we took, we went to Dave Foster's studio where we filmed Prince of Malba's where like Bouble, Celine Dion, and he put her on a mic behind the piano, and he's like, he does not play games. No, he's a big deal. Yeah, he's not, like, going to be like, okay, Spencer, let me, let me help your girlfriend for you. He's going to like me, you know, so he makes her sing all these notes that and he's like, you guys, David Foster is Sarah and Aaron Foster's dad. He's like a musical genius. He just had a new play come out, boop.

He's married at Catherine McPhee. Like, he's a musical. And I didn't know really who he was. was until the Netflix documentary on him. So, like, I didn't even treat him, like, who we can know, because Rodi just always said he made elevator music. So that was like my, you know, takeaway, for real. And so he makes Heidi sing all these notes.

And he's like, okay, you have the tone we need to make you like a pop star. So he connects her at the time. The head of A&R, RIP, Tommy Page, he went to heaven. But big dog, pop music, A&R at Warner. They bring her in the room with Evan Bogart. who had wrote SOS for Rihanna just now, I had the number one record, and then twin, which is Yolkum,

who's like Max Martin's other legendary Swedish producer, and they did body language. So body language gets put out by Ryan Seacrest, everyone starts loving it, and Warner now wants to sign Heidi to a 360 deal. But I still had, are my lawyer from Princess Malibu, who happened to be Michael Jackson's lawyer,

RIP, Peter Lopez, he's in heaven also. So we had this big dog music lawyer, literally Michael Jackson's musical, he's like, you're not signing 360 deal. You're a star of an MTV show, and they just brought 360 deals into play where that means they're going to take her TV money, even though it's for the music.

And he's like, don't sign this. So it's all good. We ended up getting body language, worked out, but she didn't sign to Warner. Down the line, Atlantic Records, Ta-Moskowitz, who was the president of Atlantic, ends up giving Heidi her own distribution deal, which is through Warner ADA,

which is she's still under ADA Warner. So at all, David Foster is why we're here still. So I love him for life. No, Heidi is the most locked in. She's every day driving three hours. You can't stage manage. She's driving three hours every day now from Santa Barbara. Three hours each way pretty much with traveling.

Six hours a day to be in the recording studio to do her rehearsals. Like she's just so like she wants to get her life back. Did she get like new? Are you her manager? No, no, I'm her, like, her text assistant, like, like, so did she get, like a proper, like, all these, like, proper, famous managers did reach out, but she already was with WME. So now once the music started popping off, you know, she has WME and off, like, you know, so she had a serious team, but now they can pivot.

Now they're doing, now they're doing, she's performing in San Francisco for pride, 22,000 people. She's doing Seattle, 20,000 people. She's doing hoopla in London, 30,000 people. Wow. We'll be right back after the break. Who can't believe it's May? Raise your hand. Because how is it May?

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and this is your official invitation to hide from the world in bed with me. Every Wednesday, I pull the covers over my head and drag my favorite people in with me. From internet sensations to experts, to celebrate all of our bad habits, worst traits, and the internal monologues that would probably make both our therapists and the group chat nervous. Listen to Live from Bed's new episodes every Wednesday wherever you get your podcast. Now get cozy. It's bedtime. And we're back. I mean, it's just such a mind-fuck to think, like, you know, how much you guys have been through since January, you're probably so happy about the success, right?

But then it's hard to think, like, kind of where it started or you guys, did you guys take time to like, because it feels like you didn't have time. Did you try to take time to heal from this massive thing that happened to you? Oh, not at all, not at all. And I plan on doing that, like, back in a house we own one day. It's like crying for a month with my hummingbirds. And, you know, if my parents had had insurance, I would be in a way better place. But, like, they, my dad, they've been there for 40 years. They didn't have fire insurance.

Like, said, why didn't you have fire insurance, dad? Like, we lived on the hill, like, where a fire could have happened. You know, like, there was dirt near us. You know, like, it shouldn't have because, like, I truly, that shouldn't even have happened on our street. But where they lived in the palaces by the Bluffs, like you said, there hadn't been a fire in 150 years.

So it's like, why would I, but, so that hurts the most that I like can't. More about your parents. Because, like, my hustle now, there's no doubt, like, my kids will have a house to live in that they own with, like, the pace I'm pushing.

Because I'll be able to make millions of dollars back in the day not hustling like this. So, because, you know, you're confident. Yeah, I was like, I know, like, I know what it takes. I've done it. Like, if you do what I and I are doing right now for five years, like, you're going to get money. Where were you at before this? Because, like, I watched your stories and your stuff with the hummingbirds.

Like, you were kind of in a non-hustling mode for a few years, right? That's the thing. Like, Heidi got so, you know, people got all worked up when she's like, we're house poor. Like, we put all our money into building this house. the property was going up so crazy in Palisades, like across the street from us, $25 million house just got built. They were tearing down multiple, like little houses like they're up right above us, $45 million.

So in our vision for our kids, the land we had in 20 years was going to be worth $25 million. So it was just like. So you thought you could chill a little bit. I mean, we didn't ever chill. We're always hustling, but we didn't need to, we had our house that was only going up in value and we made enough from like brands, social media, podcast, Heidi's music, even at the time. They're like, you know, we have car payment, mortgage, nice, we should have gone to a nice market.

I won't even name them anymore, but we shouldn't have been going there, but we had enough for Why won't you name that? You're annoyed with them? Oh, it rhymes with. I had done with, it rhymes with trash. Wait, why, why are we mad at them? I miss this. Really?

Those seven TikToks ago. Oh, my God. Okay, I'm sorry. Blame that Algo, because that's my thing with TikTok. Like, you never know what pops up on Instagram media. Once I started talking about the fires and the lawsuit, all social media de-platform me. And I knew I was risking it. Like, I should have kept it like, you know, once you go there, the keywords, the AI, it's like,

like, political. Oh, you felt it? You don't go from 13 million on a TikTok to the next one, like 3,000 because you're talking about, like, certain people. that are a fault for LA fire, you know, so I know better. Oh, got you when you got in deep. Emotionally, I couldn't not express myself. So what was that?

Because we have like the, the fire, the Heidi's, you know, music popping off. But then there's also you personally kind of popping off, right? Going from like going to more millions of views than you've probably ever had, everyone being obsessed, famous people supporting, you know, people couldn't, people were getting mad people for like not using the song in their video, you couldn't post to get ready with me without using Heidi's song because then you'd be like, why are you using a different fucking song, you fucking bitch. So somebody on your team or Hulu, please clip that. I want that as a TikTok audio. Please, that's a sound. I just going to be like, thank you. So that moment, those moments

of you, because you're in it, you're feeling it, you're watching the videos, you're seeing the support. You're seeing the comments. You're seeing the replies. You're replying. You're doing all this. Like, what does that feel like? I don't know. I mean, it was, it's what kept me from literally not having to be put in like in a mental home. Like, watching your whole life burn. I don't how like I say it. People just can't process it. I don't have a photo of my existence pre iPhone. Like, and I was a curator. I had every just like my mom's the same way. Every single event in my whole life. I had albums in my house. Like how people have Instagrams curated.

I have my albums curated for my whole, like all my highlight reels for my sports, you know, like everything you could ever think of just being gone. Like you really feel like a ghost. Like so pre-2009, I feel like is when I, I mean, the photos are so bad until like two years ago on an iPhone. Like to even one like a 16 megapixel, I guess kids now are like I like old megapixels. but I like good feel you're so hip you're caught up to like everything the kids are saying because you're on TikTok so much I didn't even know about this mega I'm way too deep that's what I'm saying I'm way too deep but yeah no it's life changing you know because I never wanted to be loved I always just wanted to get money to like have a good life so like you never wanted to

seek out you know I thought the easiest route was always being the antagonist or as they say the villain way easier to get people to fucking not like you than it is to get people to like you. So it was a pretty quick way to get paid. You're so interesting, Spencer. Like you said, I want to say on that for a second. You never cared about people liking you. You just wanted to make money. And then you said, you figured it was way easier to get people to hate you than get people

to love you. Like, were you really thinking of all these things? You're like a mega smart dude. thank God I have witnesses to like the master plan and I was I talk so much that there are so many people they can were like I can start name job and then I want to be connected to me you know like maybe now but like my like friends that I grew up with that watch the process like rodey did just go on Nick Vial's podcast and explain that he watched the literal plan to like so it was all strategy it went too far, though, like, because what happens is once producers start buying off family

members with literal money, like, for instance, Heidi's mom, when the restaurant was going out of business, they literally gave, would give her 10, 20,000 just cash to say things to just tear down her daughter, which I'm sure she's regrets and is a tone to or whatever she needs to do now with her process. But my point is, I really then, it was no longer like a, like an act for me. Like I have all these people, my sister, Heidi's sister, Heidi's mom, all these people that are literally just getting bought off and I'm watching it. I know they're getting paid to do these and say these things when they don't necessarily really feel like that. They're getting. So now my act has actors that I didn't cast that are like affecting our real life. So,

that's when it went obviously sideways of the like, you know, oh, I can do this and it and it went out of control like, you know, look back and I'm like, like, I know why I look so crazy in there because I know what is going on around me and like what people are trying. So yes, it was so smart, but it like it got out of hand, you know. Yeah. So it sounds like, well, Stephanie, we know that you don't. No, no. I stopped like caring about like I don't care what people say. and have like episodes or deal with their own like if you lie about some stuff i'm not going to be needed like an apology so like no but are so you're like we're good we're good we're good everything like everything's all good you know like i i i i mean i'm not not going to not have a relationship

with family people because of things they have in their own brain you know like you like you forgiven but yeah still forget i'll continue to forgive i'm not going to like it is what it is I'm never going to yeah I got to I learned to not have expectations on people like everyone has their own things they're dealing with so well I'm not going to when you were saying this before like I didn't care to be liked the thing that like resonates with that is like you still don't like the fact that you had this like are having this TikTok success in social media it's not because all of a sudden you were like hey guys like love you like you didn't change who you are. You know, you were still yourself. It just, I think with everything that

happened where people were feeling for you so hard at the same time and seeing the side of you that maybe they didn't see before, it all kind of like work together to be like, okay, this is Spencer. Like, this is who he's been all along, but it shed this like a new light to make it work. Do you what I mean? What I mean is not like now all of a sudden you are trying to be liked. You're still the same dude that you're just, you know. Well, thank God, like my actual demo before even the like house burned down, the people that were like really getting behind me on TikTok because pre-fire, like, they did get me to almost, I was at 9-97, which with no algorithm, you know, almost a million

with like not being pushed, not doing anything right. Right. The younger people that now watch the hills back without the like monologian. culture, polarization, like media manipulation, they see the hills as like, Spencer loves Heidi. He says, whatever the fuck he wants. And why is this friend being a hater? Like, they aren't caught. They're not like, oh, us weekly hitting them with five posts and people and all these stories in public. So they just watch the hills. And they're like, I fucking love Spencer. Like, what, who's this, B-I-T-C-H? You know, like, for real. Yeah. Your respect, you know. But.

That's just what they're saying. So there's a resurrection of, as we know, like, so many TikTokers and young people are watching all the old shows now. There's new girl rewatches and this rewatches. So obviously Hill's rewatches. And they clip me, God bless these people, make the best edits that go viral. Like, they'll be my best not awful person clips with like good music and it's like gets 20 million views. So it's like, my best not awful. person clips. Yeah, so they'll use those. You're not being awful. And they'll have like music and then the

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at the time the best-looking Hollywood It guy pretend to date her on her show. She watched me orchestrate this for her and like be the biggest teammate. I was the one the first ever called the paparazzi. So she got photographed for the first time in Hollywood, even though she'd already been on a show for a whole season and Laguna Beach, but it didn't transfer over. I was like the best teammate ever, but then Brody couldn't fake date L.C. anymore. He wanted to start getting some real clout.

He was out in the club scene. There was a lot of opportunities. And then once the fake dating ended and he wasn't down for that, she wanted her wing woman back, Heidi, which, no, I understand. Heidi's like tried her best going out until 3 a.m. the final like end game was they didn't show this but like she made hidey go out with her on valentine's day when we were official now boyfriend girlfriend's time till like wouldn't let her leave to like four a m

they're fucking having breakfast pizza together and she's like i got to go back see spencer and like turned it into this big thing and like it just was like going too weirdo you know what i mean like and so then once that happened she was like i don't want hidey on the show anymore and that was like she thought that scene with Heidi getting in the U-Haul leaving that she thought she got Heidi off the show that's what people don't get that was her saying bye bitch you're off my show and thank God you won't be my wing woman thank God for tony de santo he was the president MTV because adam dville who's the creator was like yeah she doesn't want Heidi on the show anymore and he literally said she doesn't have to be on the show anymore about

LC. They were fine with like, you're not going to tell us who. So once that happened, and LC saw that she wasn't the main focus of her own show. That was when she made these produced, Adam Deville and them, the deal was you better make them look like the worst people on the earth, which we were aware of. They're at that point paying so much like you be stupid not to like go along with it. So that's what happened. And it's all, it's like, if I could probably you got a calendar, I could probably do months if I want to do like, you know, like so. And then we went along with the actual, you know what, that actually did exist. It was on TMZ before I ever said anything.

Perez reached out to me and he was my boy and he's like, is this true? Wait, what's the actual you know what? I don't want to be in a clip talking about this still, but it's like people that know in your podcast will know and the people that don't, they don't need to know. And then so Perez hits me up. And he's like, is this true? I'm like, yeah, it's true. Like, this is out.

He's out there doing this guy's coped out of his mind. Oh, got you. Trying to sling this and trying to cause. And then once the parents all had a powwow back in Laguna and they pulled this whole, that got him into rehab or got him some more coke or whatever and like chilled him out. Next thing you know, I'm the, like, the scapego. And then they give me $120,000 to do a fake phone call with a producer like, you know, who's on the other line.

And I'm like, yeah, I'll do it. You know, like, it's a $120,000 phone call. Like, I don't care. But then they make this big thing. And then it's like, you know what you did. It's like, now, you know what you did? You pathological sicko liar, like burn down somebody else to cover your own little, which it wasn't even a big deal.

It's like even came up moral love. So that was when it went like super hated on the show. Like, how could she have done that? It's like she didn't. She didn't. Do you have any regrets from the show? show aside from kind of what we talked about with family members. Yeah, I should have never film with a family member. I should have one scene, Heidi's parents. I should never know one scene.

I was like never film with a family member unless you're a Kardashian and you're making $1 billion. And that's like then I can, Courtney can call me whatever she wants, you know. Would you let your kids, your cute boys be on reality TV? No, because there's not enough money. Like my son wants to be like a YouTube like animal person. He loves the wildcrats. So like he could definitely be like a zoologist with his like content. Like the idea of reality to me is all his multi-purpose content. Like I do love my kids to be able to be content creators no matter what they're going to do in their careers.

Like you still even top CEOs have to be doing content now. They have to do. Right. Your dentist is doing content. Everything does not matter. Yes, I would like him to be a reality star of life. So, like, he's on TikTok live and I'm watching him engage with the audience, like, with me, obviously, and answering. And I'm like, he's so good at like, like, this kid's seven years old.

And he's, like, articulating responses to Q&A's. I'm like, this is. Wait, you have two boys. Yeah. And the age difference is, like, what, five years, right? A seven-year-old and a two-and-a-half-year-old. How's that? Mine is similar.

The two-and-a-half-year-old. Mine is five and ten months. Two-and-a-year-old is the hardest. Here's when I believe in God, I'll tell you. When he goes to sleep. Nap time. Nap time. You're like, oh, Monday.

I sat there with Heidi being pregnant. All my crystals and I sat there touching your stomach, and I'd be like, God, please put the most super-pacepard. human that's like an alien in her belt. Like, careful what you say. You know, this kid is wild. Oh, my God. And I'm like, what did I create?

Like, what did I pray for? Wait, Gunner was really different. So chill. So, I mean, I'm not saying if our second child was like our first, if there would be a second child. He wouldn't have a second child. Yeah, yeah.

We were like, this is a thing. I think this is a thing. Like it's a pattern. It's crazy. So. And two boys. Yeah, no. It's, it's a lot.

Do you guys want more kids? No, no, no, no, no, no. We are good. They're good. Really? Heidi doesn't say like, oh, I want to go. He used to until the second one. And she's like, like, literally, though, she's always like, not even, we're going to be

lucky to survive this second. No, no, I love you. I'm not kidding. Thank you for the honesty. It's so. in the face and just like like like

hey what what are you doing like it's so gnarly does he do that to gunner as well it's like it's just parent like he'll just try to break out and start trying to run down the street

thankfully it's to a Mexican restaurant so he's like I know it's my kid same DNA but it'll be like like he's so and I want to say nuts and be like mean but it's all wild it wild

Wild. Wild. Were you like that as a kid? Like, are your parents like, you're living? I think it's... No, my parents are like, what the... Heidi's parents actually say, right, is very similar to Heidi.

Oh, wow. Which I'm like, whoa. Wait, and you guys are in Santa Barbara right now, right? And that's your... Yeah, we're renting it so they can have money for their apartment. It's so twisted because it was their renting it from... My parents, we're literally having to do... It's crazy.

It's like, I used to go out here for free. Yeah, I remember that you were on some, like, lazy boy chair yelling at us being like, because people were probably like, where are you? Like snays or something. There was one, so a lot of people were supportive during this time, as we know, was the first person, Flav a Flav that, like, did the, like, was he the first? The one that, like, hit that I'll love her forever is that Emerada. Truly?

That one hit. Really? She did one that was. She was one of the first? on the first, and she posted like, okay, this is it. The sound of the apocalypse was the writing or whatever. And it was like, once she did it, it was like every influencer. Did you talk to her?

No, I don't know her. But did you DM or something? I mean, I'm sure I was DMing 5 million people a day. Like, I was also DMing people like, when are you posting? Like, tell you when are you posting? Yeah, that happened with Alex Cooper. What, why did you get caught on her so hard, specifically? specifically and not like, I don't know, a different celebrity.

Okay. I'm wondering. Oh, let's just because I definitely would like to clear this up. When Alex Cooper first, we about to LA, first Heidi, was one of her first podcasts out here, supportive, blah, blah, blah. Heidi told everything she'd get it every try to, boom. I went on her podcast. I let her do the little skit where she just bashes me that nobody actually watched.

So it just went along with it, pumped it up when she started doing merch. She'd send us merch. We wore it all day long on Snapchat tag. Big, like, big teammates, okay, right? Right when it's going off and everybody with any following that I know I'm texting. I don't want to misquilt the text, but it was like, hey, like, got so much going on, but, like, I will, whatever. It was like, okay, so I'll just wait for this. It hadn't happened.

I'm like, oh, everybody still need the fuck daddy gang. Like, who I felt like I was always, you know, people come up. if I felt part of these daddy gang people. I'm like, I think your audience, we're daddy gang, like, okay? So then I text her husband, who I know from growing up with him. I'm like, hey, following up, he's like, she's going to do it, da, and it's like not happening. Then people start messaging me, not even knowing this is going on.

I'm like, where's Alex Cooper's post? And they're getting me fired up because I haven't slept in days now. I'm just living off of tequila and caffeine. And so, you know, the comment section can get me worked up. And there's somebody who's very triggering. I don't know, a bunch of people were like, she just reposted your guys' episode on YouTube as like, like, as like the weekly. And, you know, so I'm like, oh, dang, like, we're cool. She did like a flashback, like a TBT moment.

Like, reposted, it was like put it back into like as the new episode. Oh, wow. during the fire during so we're so we're we're in ad sense off of my house burning down but we can't do a TikTok sound so got you then obviously you know obviously I made TikToks and because she did a different song and then by the time she did it I didn't even see it because it was some slowed down version and you know so she ended up doing it ended up doing it eight TikToks after it was you know you know but if I could go back in time after pulling up up on her at a restaurant, which she was not very happy about.

And I did. Yes. And I said, I'm sorry. I was so emotional. You know, I probably could have handled it better. But I was like, let's be clear. My house just burned down. My parents' house burned down.

So I wasn't like, I did enough text that I felt like, I'm on the plank here. Like, you know my personality enough to where it's like, you better send and do like white flag text before this is going. It's very clear how I am online right now in this manic state. So I'm not surprised I went that way. If I could go back, I probably would have, you know, I would have done the same thing,

but I would have like tried to explain my emotion better and articulated it. What did she say at the restaurant? Did she accept your apology? I guess, you know, I mean, I'm pretty, pretty intense. I don't know. You don't know what she said back.

She's not texting me right now to, like, not texting me to hang out. But we then saw her at dinner that night. And then Heidi went and, like, sat with her and they were, I guess they cried. And so Heidi and her are definitely cool, but Heidi never posted. So there shouldn't have been like, you know, I'm cool too with her, but I just say I didn't get sent like an unwell, like hydration drink package or anything. Do you want it? Do you want it? You know, I'm pretty hydrated.

I'm pretty hydrated. Okay. You're not on the list. You're not on the list. I definitely got taken off the PR list. You are doing reality again, which is so exciting. Can you do the timeline for us for a second? So the new reality show got to get out on Hulu.

Did you film this pre? Yes, I did, which was... Okay. Yeah, like five years ago, was it? Two years ago. Did you really think it was five years ago? My timeline, it feels like five years ago. you know, like a lot's happened this is Friday.

I'm living in a very strange matrix now. I am convinced dead, like, and I'm just in this, like, weird purgatory where, like, my hand goes into heaven. I'm like, Heidi's a Bobster. Then my hand calls my mom who's crying, like, your house burned out. And then I'm like, oh, I'm on a TV show.

So it's very strange existence. Are you doing, like, therapy? On TikTok. TikTok. Oh my God. Okay, guys. So I've got to get out. So many different faces there. There's Kim Zoltec, right? Zolziak. I'm so bad at saying last name. I mean, I could have made that up. I've heard Zosiac. It could be Zochek. I'm adding a flare. You guys in the in the in the in the trailer seemed to like team up. I mean, I was having up with whoever I thought I could get the million dollars

with. You know, I played, you know, the best game I could. Looking back, you know, I should have just gone to war with everybody. Oh, yeah? Why? You feel like you didn't go hard enough? I feel like every time after I watch reality, I wish, you know, just like high gone, go harder, which is my anthem. I wish I had gone harder.

Always, you know, because it's like, what you also see what people say. Like, I just saw a sneak peek, and Omarosa called me the weirdest person on reality TV. And I'm like, you're way weirder than me. I wish you would say that to my face. You know, so, like, these people

are saying shady things, not to me. She calls you Diabolical, no? But she also, and I have a screener, and she calls me the weirdest person on television. I'm like, weirdest. Like, I'm not weird at all. Very normal. I love how, you know what's funny about you, though?

I feel like diabolical doesn't offend you, but weirdest person offends you. Am I correct? Yeah, I mean, one's my brand and one I'm definitely not weird. So you guys. Spencer is on a new reality show. It's called Got to Get Out. It's on Hulu. A bunch of celebs and Normies, right? How are the Normies? Who'd you vibe more with? With the celebs or with the like firefire. I like to the show Hulu. Shout out. Hulu, Disney, ABC,

love them. Shout out. Shout out. They call them reality rookies. I like to call them civilians. So the civilians were lovely. I enjoyed the civilians maybe more than the reality royalty or whatever Hulu is calling them, because they have that hunger that I love to be around of like, I'm going to make it. This show is going to make me famous. And it's like, yeah, me too. Yeah, let's do it. You know, like, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the naive is like, like I love that energy. The delusion. Yeah, but it probably feels so different. Like when you filmed it, you were kind of like a different version of yourself, you know? you know and now

but it is kind of also nice because if you filmed it after people probably would have treated you differently you know what I mean like pre-fire versus post fire most of people didn't even know who I was they were like sag in the screener she said oh I knew I looked familiar

I thought he was a child star I'm like like Macaulay Culkin what are you talking about? You do give child star but it's a good moment again all these things like you know Heidi's music your show coming out

like I just feel like this is going to lead one thing is going to kind of lead to the next everybody can kind of see you going on another reality show after like traitors well if ABC Hulu Disney buys NBC Universal I would love to be involved in any I love your new projects in the future we're Hulu we're a Hulu fam I love it

so I look forward to on that project maybe there's going to be you guys, I'm going to take a wild guess right now on this podcast and you fucking remember it. I'm saying there is going to be and if not I'm manifesting it a Pratt reality show, a Pratt fam reality show about rebuilding their lives

and Heidi skyrocketing into pop stardom, Spencer being Spencer, the kids, Now we know there's craziness happening. And it's going to be on Hulu. Can we clip that audio also for my... Fucking clip it, you guys.

Thank you. Fucking clip it. Spencer, thank you so much. I adore you. I think you're amazing. I am so happy for you and your family getting this moment after that moment, you know? And I hope that everything just keeps on getting better, that you can help your parents, that you can find your next home and that you guys keep on keeping on.

Those are those moments. I don't like those real moments. It hit me too hard. Let's hang up before I start crying. I got to go keep this going here. Thank you for that. Keep it going. Bye.

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