Not Skinny But Not Fat - Squashing Beef & Rumors w/ Hannah Berner & Paige DeSorbo

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

Summer House’s Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner (aka Giggly Squad) join me to rehash all the drams on this season, how they keep their friendship above it all, and what the hell is going down with Paige and Southern Charm's Craig Conover? Support our show by supporting our sponsors! James Allen: Go to JamesAllen.com to customize a piece of fine jewelry or design your dream engagement ring and enter code NOTSKINNY for 30% off sitewide (exclusions apply) StoryWorth: Give your mom the most meaningful gift this Mother’s Day with StoryWorth. Get started right away with no shipping required by going to StoryWorth.com/notskinny. You’ll get $10 off your first purchase! Eat Deux: Exclusive discount on healthy cookie dough - 10% off and free shipping on 3 jars of your choice with code NOTSKINNY at eatdeux.com Noom: There's a science to getting healthier. It's called Noom. Sign up for your trial today at noom.com/notskinny Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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feel like you're talking about your best friends in your living room. Okay, I'm so excited for today's guests because I love these bitches so much. Two favorite bitches from Summerhouse. Hannah Berner and Bates de Sorbo are in the house. I love you. I'm sorry that I like Amanda and Kyle Jew and together. I thought I was special, but now I feel like everyone else is doing it too. It's okay.

I feel better when I do it with Hannah. She's like a security blanket for me. Yeah. We love any time we can spend together to talk shit is time well spent. Right. Because I can't stop thinking about the fact that the giggly squad. If people don't know, Hannah and Paige started a giggly school, about thing. Instagram live, right? It started as an Instagram live thing during quarantine.

Yeah. People became obsessed. Well, it was kind of insane. Like, I can't believe we did it. We went live every night at 10 p.m. for three months. That was how dark shit was. If you asked me to do anything now every single day, I'd be like, absolutely fuck off. But it was like survival mode. And I think everyone was in a dark place. So then every day at 10, we'd like throw this stupid party. And, we'd just talk and the energy made you feel alive like there's other people out in the world even though we can't see them. Yeah. No, that was a good idea. Was that when like Justin Bieber was going live 17,000 times a minute? Yeah. Yeah. It was like everyone was going live. He'd purposely go live when we went live to try to like steal our audience and we'd be like Justin. Um,

who else was doing it page? John Milley. Miley did it and John Mayer was doing it. Yeah. And then Austin and Craig also, but like we were doing it at the same time with them and they would drink all day and go live and we'd just go live at 10 and they were like how do you do it every day and we go we don't drink for six hours they would like and you don't need to drink they would like not have a plan though like I would watch theirs I'm like you guys are just going rogue like what do you crazy and they'd wake up in the morning and be like what happened like I don't know that was impressive in its own life yeah and you girls were just having like a conversation like talking shit but with people watching whereas where other people go live they're like reading the

comments like, you're from Brazil? That's cool. Hi, Brazil. Yeah, we had like a show, like that run of show. Yeah, we had a run of show. Yeah, we would create it every day. We would start with catching up what we did during the day. And people who know us were like, you don't do anything all day.

So how do you speak on things? And I'd be like, you'd be fucking surprised what we can talk on. I am obsessed with that. I remember when Paige was on my podcast. And I remember I told you after that hand, I was like, oh, my God, page is such a vibe. because you said so many things that hit home. You said like, you were like, I can't have friends that like want to hang out.

I need friends that like get this is like a face time messaging. I need to get better at maneuvering that. Even though Hannah is like too much like that. Hannah is like the like very bad at it. But I'm like how do you like do you pretend to want to hang out and then don't? not even pretend? No, sometimes I do pretend. Like, I have, like, a few girlfriends who are so nice. Like, it's stupid how nice they are. And I'm just like, oh, I should be, like, checking in on you. But, like, I just, I can't. Like, you know, and I feel so bad. But I try and do, like,

dinners now. But it's exhausting. I mean, Paige, you get dressed every single day as if you're going out. So, like, you're going somewhere. Yeah, but it's usually like I get dressed. I take a picture and then like I put my jammies back on no that's such a lie that's such you're not yeah you'd be surprised Amanda you'd be surprised you'd be surprised there's so many things that page pose and I like I respond to her stories when I see it because she'll be like swipe up to get this like nipple cover and I'm like no one can wear this but who's swiping up like who's getting this cat suit but you yeah I need to know because I'll swipe up I'll be like here these H&M like you know sweatpants that everyone would want to wear right now but

page is like here are these thigh high boots in like mid quarantine I need to know like are people swiping up yeah it's called aspirational Amanda wasn't she wearing like a legit cat suit the other day like a white body suit like head to toe I'm like who is swiping up dress for the job you want not the job you have legit they need to do me like Sina and Pages of Sorbo, then I bought it, like when people do those things. No, it's been a wild ride. So that became, the Instagram Lives became a podcast and a Facebook group that is like, I don't know, I'm scared of Facebook girls.

Do you girls go on your Facebook group? We like stopped it because people were getting crazy and like we couldn't moderate anything. Like we had no idea what was going on. Like we didn't even go in it. We said like a couple moderators who wanted to do it, but then we'd get messages. all day being like fuck this moderator like this is fucked up she let her say this and then um but it was

really just a couple bad eggs that kind of ruined the vibe but then they created their own groups and then we didn't have to be responsible for like the fighting um but it's just classic group mentality it's like putting a bunch of people in a house together and seeing what happens you know that's what Facebook groups are Facebook but like I feel like there's like a hierarchy

of like toxic social media and I feel like Instagram is the least I feel like toxic, but Facebook is definitely up there with, like, Twitter and, like, Reddit. I feel like, I feel like TikTok is the least toxic because the Gen Z is call everyone out. They're like, that's bullying. My mom, my mom recently, like, texted me some, like, crazy paragraph about me. She was talking shit to me. And I was like, where did you see this?

And she goes, Reddit. And I go, absolutely get out of here. Like, first of all, how do you know how to work Reddit? second of all how are you on it I'm like I'm not talking to you anymore What's fucked up too is like now people Journalists are getting pretty lazy in quarantine Sometimes and they're writing articles based on

Reddit quotes Mind you yeah you guys read it There's literally people in caves It's anonymous I could go on there And say it's my fucking little brother That's how Hilaria Baldwin stuff came up And I feel like Army Hammer

It's like all Reddit Yeah a lot of dark shit starts and read it and then if it's legitimized then it's bad but yeah I'm not allowed to go near social media most of the time for my mental health yeah we talked about this a little bit like Hannah

has been having a little bit of a rough a rough no because I told Hannah like first of all your first season and like you were like untouchable it was like what could you say about you you know you were so like just funny and cool

and, like, no one could touch you, you know? And this season, it changed a little bit. But I was telling you, I was trying to be objective about this season to be like, how would I feel about you and about the situation? If you didn't know me. Right. And, like, I still, and I feel like I can be objective, you know? And I was trying to be like, what?

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tell. Sometimes I'm like, are you just like what's going on? Because the whole keep on saying like he's not for real. Like one second he's talking. shopping wood and the other second he's like looking at himself in the mirror so like what's his vibe are you a woodsman because woodsmen don't check themselves out in the mirror 24-7 you know what I mean he has he's just quirky you know like every single day I actually said something to him one day in the house and I think he got legitimately mad at me but it was like it was a joke he would come upstairs and every single day I feel like he would be like a new character like by the way he was dressed.

And the one day he came and he sat at the kitchen table and I was like, it looks like you just finished writing your memoir. Like, what is this out? Like, what is your look right now? And I was like, every single day, you're just different. And he like did not think it was funny or laugh at all. But he changes, like some days he's wearing glasses. With a beanie in the middle of summer.

Yeah. And then other days he's like no shirt on once to go on a motorcycle. I'm like, what is the vibe for you? today. He's an actor. He's practicing his roles. He's an actor. How many messages you guys get about his role in the flight attendant? I didn't get

that many. I watched it though. Oh, you watched it? Was it just, was he a one night stand for the team character? I actually only watched the first episode because it gave me anxiety. Like the show concept. Oh, the show concept. I need to watch it even if just for Luke.

The only thing I knew about that was I was actually helping him with the script to get the role. Like I was playing the character and I was like, you're going to do great. Like we went to some acting classes together. That was back in the day. And then when he got it, it was like awesome. But no, I didn't watch it. I missed it. You missed that.

Yeah, but I think he was on that first episode. I don't have HBO Max. No, it's so hard. I have HBO Max. and an air fryer, and so I literally don't need anyone. And page, and page a two-bedroom apartment in a really fancy building. So we need to know, are you getting an influencer Tyler Cameron discount? I can finesse a contract when I see one.

No, because, I mean, because she's like so, so classy the way she does it because she was like tagging them, but not, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, but it's amazing because you were living in like a studio for how long. I lived in a, oh my God. Okay, first of all, my first apartment in New York City was like rat infested. It was disgusting. I lived in a four-floor walk-up. I would not change it for a second because I fucking loved that apartment. Then I lived in a studio for five years. And it was, I just started to not fit in it anymore. And then I just moved. yeah to two bedrooms you upgraded that's amazing yeah what are you planning to do with the second room closet yeah duh duh come on come on that's why like your vibe like always the fact that you both like

connected so off the bat were like Hannah although also stylish as we all can see um like our opposite like page like you would want to go with a friend to like fifth avenue like she's not that friend But like, I feel like No, but I'm not that friend either, you know Hannah and I really connected on just like our humor Like the things we thought were funny Yeah. And so like if one day I was like, hey, want to go shopping?

She'd be like, okay, fine. Just because we know that we're going to laugh the whole time anyway. But also like I don't want to be friends with me. Like I'm sick of me. You know, like I've had enough of me. Like I even with like relationships and stuff like, Paige teaches me so much and has such a different perspective on things

that it's like always fun if that makes sense. That's so cute. And it is really cute. And it is really nice to see that even though Paige this season you are vibing more with like Amanda and like kind of whatever.

And Hannah, it seems like you're having more of like tackles there that Paige manages to still be a really great friend to you. And kind of like today I was watching the last episode and Paige was like you know Hannah uh you're being offensive you're being offensive like almost like you could miss it like so under her red like Hannah saw me and I was like it's so cute that she's not trying to call you out or gang up and you she's trying to actually like tell you without telling you like if you watch page throughout her favorite thing to go was it's not

worth it yeah you would yell all the time it's not worth it because she knew in retrospect that like how petty like the stupid drama was but when you're not in it it's so easy and i remember her actually being like kind of stop being defensive but like when you're mad and someone says stop being defensive it's like something calm down i was like i started because in my head i immediately was like oh no page is brainwashed by them too we lost her we lost her and i was like i lost it the other thing with hannah and i is like when we first started being on the show like we knew each other but we weren't friends the way we were the way we are now. And we had a conversation, like our very first summer, and like, it was so beautiful, honestly.

We looked at each other and we were just like, look, no matter what happens, no matter how long we're on TV together, like, when this is over, we're going to be friends. Like, I don't care what goes down, we will stay friends forever. And every so often we'll have like a phone call. It's like, remember that conversation? like it's still true and so and then we just like we get over things or we don't even care about them and I do think like especially with TV there's female friendships and like people love to break them apart like people are sometimes I feel like people are not rooting for us because we're

very strong together and we do a lot of great amazing things together and we have so much fun together and we laugh so much together that's like power for like women and people you know talk shit about Giggy Squad and like try to, you know, get us to go at each other or whatever. But it's like, we're just not going to, we're stronger than that. Hannah came over last Friday and we laid on the couch and ate McDonald's. And I think it was like the most I've laughed in like a couple weeks. Like I couldn't breathe. And like it wasn't a particularly happy time.

Like we just, we just, like we both make each other laugh over the stupidest stuff. We could be going, we got through so much hard stuff together. I mean, there have been so many highs in this journey the last couple of years, me and Paige. And then there's been some where I'm like, is this where our life ends? Like, are we done? And then we always find a way out of it. It sounds like so much fun. Like I legitimately like not to be fake would want to be invited to that.

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So, Hannah, to that point, like the fact that Paige and Amanda don't only seem to be viving on this season, but also kind of from Instagram, I could tell Paige that you and Amanda are still really close. Am I wrong? No, yeah, we are. And Hannah and Amanda aren't vibing too much this season. I don't know. IRL.

Are you still invited the wedding, by the way? Who knows? I feel like the wedding drama. It's so like, I just hope they get married. Like, I hope they get married. I hope they have amazing time. And, like, I hope that everyone is happy. And like, if...

Do you think are you going to get married before them? No, I don't think so. I mean, I'm aiming for, like, the following summer. I don't know the plans. I started, you know, it's been a journey with the wedding. I was in a bachelorette party. Now I don't think I. I don't know what's happening.

But I just want them to be happy. And I mean, Paige has never had any beef with Kyle. So, like, it's so easy to be friends with Amanda when you're not beefing with Kyle. Is that the only thing that you think is standing between you and Amanda being like the way you were is just your beef with Kyle? Or do you and her have any shit? I mean, I don't have any reason why I would be, I mean, there were like a lot of confessionals that were like passive, aggressive and mean all summer. However, I feel like people want it to be about me and Amanda because it's more fun when

girls fight, but it's not. It's not. However, if your, if your fiancé has a real issue and is fighting with someone, then it's like, I mean, in the past, you'll always see Kyle, I mean, when Kyle would curse at me and stuff, Amanda would step in and defend me. And this summer, I think it was healthy for them to, like, regardless what happened, she had to have his back. And it, it hurt.

It's hard to be two versus one. And it's hard to separate the two. Yeah. Is it weird for you to be, like, beefing with any, like, you're, are you a person that, like, would, like, I feel like it's almost if someone had to answer the question like, hey, Kyle and Hannah and Summerhouse, like, wait, why are they beefing? Like, what would be the answer?

Like, why? That's a great question. That is an amazing question, and that's something, like, he can answer because I'm sorry about the trash. I was bad at it. It wasn't a one-person job. I was terrible. I did volunteer, but I wasn't on contract.

I did not sign a contract. I would have been fired if I did. And I just wish, I feel like if that initial talk, like, had a different, like, tone and wasn't like a, some people don't pull their weight and was just, like, a little more, like, like, hey, let's have a healthy conversation, it would have gone differently. Yeah. And still, it's something that's, I mean, I guess only both of you know, like, I guess some people also just rub you the wrong way. But it's, I think it's important.

And I'm happy to know that like, Paige, you can have your friendship with Amanda and it not like. Well, because Amanda's never done anything fucked up to me. And I've never done anything fucked up to Amanda. So like Paige, I mean, I empathize that she's like front, but like, I don't, I don't know what Amanda does, but, like, we don't talk about, like, that friendship. It's not like that. But, like, there's just little things where you're right. It's so confusing.

Like, Kyle, Paige had a migraine one night and was like, can we turn the music down? And Kyle just freaked out. Like, this isn't Hannah's house. So, like, there's deeper issues going on. Yeah. Like, I cannot help you with it. Hannah didn't even say anything and, like, was not involved in that at all. And Kyle got so pissed at Hannah.

And I just, like, got away with it. I was like, oh, my God, how dare Hannah ask that? No, I want to be Paige in Summerhouse. Like, I feel like so many people can connect. Like, this bitch just comes on. She has a boyfriend, so she's not going to hook up with anyone. She's like, turn it down. My outfit's cute.

And, like, is such a vibe. And, like, it has no drama. I feel like that's the reality dream. Like, come on. Don't have drama. Don't hook up. Don't, like, get naked. Was I even there?

You know? Like, did I even live there? observe and like say funny shit which is fun that's what i was thinking like could i come on like having a baby but just like come and like hear the god well it depends again it depends if your baby's an asshole or not like is your baby going to want to fight me is your baby going to look at me funny is your baby going to tell me that i'm not spending enough time with it yeah then i'm to fuck your baby up is your baby going to get drunk and what are they who do what name do they call you when you're drunk. Pam. Pam. Is that a thing? Or is that like, okay, so here's what happened. The first,

my first summer, Kyle would get drunk and forget my name. And he just would call me Pam. And we'd be like, what the fuck? And then it just like kept going. And it wasn't until this summer that like they showed that. But like, that's been going on for years. Yeah. I have a question. So I was telling Page before, like, that my sister started Summer House from the beginning. And so I see her. I catch glimpses of old Hannah and Paige. Like, you were babies, by the way. Hannah, you had such a spray tan. Do you know that? Okay. Well, that spray tan was expensive. And I was just told, like, you have to be, like, perfectly tan. And I remember the first, I had, like, they put like a sticker, like a mic on my chest. And they took it off. And my spray tan went with it. And I just had like a square of white in the middle of my

chest. I'm like, I don't fucking lose her on TV. It is crazy how you get so much more comfortable. Like, my first summer, I would not be on camera without makeup on. And now, if I shower, we're happy about it. So, yeah, all my interviews this season, pale as a ghost. They even were like, can you get tan for this? And I'm like, it's March. I'm not.

So the important part that I was like, call me for this. Because I wanted to, like, remember were when the cheating stuff happened. And I forgot, like, how it played out on the show. And it was just wild, a wild. ride. So, I mean, that's why I think a lot of people, I mean, I'm speaking for hand, even though I don't know how you feel. I think it really is hard and a lot of girls can put themselves in that situation to have a friend be cheated on a few times by the guy. Like, I feel like I would not be nice to the guy for like years and years. It's just a wild thing to watch

Amanda forgive Kyle not once, but twice. Well, I think, I think that's like, that's their love journey. And I think that, like, so many people deal with that. And I think that she's, you know, like, the fact they've overcome that is incredible, especially on, like, in the public eye. I think the issue was more that, like, if you watch, I am, like, more a hundred billion percent supportive of them. They've both cried on my shoulder, like, so many times.

And they, like, got it in their head this season that they were going to come in and be, like, Hannah talks about us. So, like, that's not the issue. I, like, I've always been a fan of their relationship, but it kind of enabled, like, them to use that to then, like, have other issues with me and try to destroy me. And that's how you feel, Hannah, try to destroy me.

Oh, no, that's what Kyle said out loud. Oh, right. I'm just repeating what he said. I forgot about that. Okay. Let's talk about the current stuff. Des comes in. Whoa, chikin, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Whoa. That was a, that was a world. whirlwind of, first of all, I, like, Paige, when you came on the first season, I remember, you were like, oh, my God, sex. Like, I don't talk about it. Do you remember that? Or did Hannah change you so much that you don't even remember that page? I was so terrified my first summer of just my parents. They were like, if you do anything sexual or talk about it, like you're out of our family. And then she's like in my room and I'm just like, so blow jobs, what to deal with them.

And so, like, as I've gotten older, I've just kind of like, I'm like, whatever. But she's still a virgin. She's still a virgin. But yeah, I'm still a virgin. But I just have gotten more comfortable with it. And I had a boyfriend. So, like, no one was asking me what I thought. No, I know.

But even just to hear you, I think, in the last episode, you were like, oh, you fucked in the bathroom. And I was like, Pete. Well, that was Pam. That was Pam. That was Pam. Oh, yeah. You fuck there. You fucked there.

I was like, who is she? When she's had a few drinks, she's different. She's different. Yeah. And Hannah, cut to you being like, come under this. And I'm like, Hannah is so dirty. I just have to say, I think it is so important that we show women enjoying sex and having fun. I know.

And that you can fuck a guy on the second date. You can fuck a guy in every room in a house. And you still get the ring. Honestly, it is a good lesson. I just want people to be like. Like, everyone's always like, oh, to get a man. Like, you have to pretend that you don't like sex and you're just like so shy and you're just confused and weak and you just need a man.

And it's like, stop. Like, have fun. Have an orgasm or two or three or four. A hundred percent. I'm really glad that you're spearheading this movement because I'm not sure a lot of other because you're right. It is, we're not used to like seeing such sexual confidence. If I was a guy and a girl came that he missed so much.

and he was so into and he, like, wants to be the boyfriend to her and they have tons of sex. I'm going to be like, yeah, bro, that's amazing. But you were saying that it wasn't even sex. It was just making out. So you guys talk a lot of dirty talk for just, like, making out. Oh, we had, um, we like, what did we, I mean, we had sex in our bathroom and then, like, we're full, we definitely, okay, we had sex in laundry room. And then where was our, oh. I was like, I didn't know the lunch.

Actually, the first time I went in the laundry room, to be honest. We kind of fooled around in another public bathroom. But, like, also, like, this is not point. Like, this is not, like, come being thrown at the walls. Like, this is literally just, like, a little cute, you know, whatever. And then Countermand is a bathroom. We were in for 30 seconds, but they have, like, the most gorgeous, huge master bathroom that we'd all hang out in a lot.

And, like, I just, like, wanted to show it to him. We, like, made out a little, but, yeah. I still, I'm so, like, I can't, like, vacation with people because of how greedy I am about getting a good room. Oh, I can't believe you guys just, like, gave, or were you happy with your room? I mean, obviously in like an ideal. We can put in a dungeon that smelled like a condom. Yeah. In, like, an ideal world, we want, like, the biggest closet and we want, like, the most insane room.

And we were, we always want to share. And, like, at the beginning of the. summer, or when we had first got to the house, they were like, well, why do you guys always have to share? And we're like, because we have fun together. Because we're in love. So then to avoid any type of fighting, they were just like, okay, you guys in the basement.

And we were like, okay, whatever. We thought that we would have a chance for the master because it was our third year. And I was like, this is two girls with two amounts of clothes, like hair, bake up, getting ready every time we have to go somewhere or not go somewhere. But we lost it. We lost it. But it's okay. I still got

I just still got that bathroom for 30 seconds. I would do like a, like names out a hat. I wouldn't have given up so quickly. No, but that's not the hierarchy of our friend group. Yeah. There is definitely, when it comes to picking rooms, there's definitely who gets the final say. Wow.

Yeah. I don't know if I could handle that kind of, that kind of ego. Okay. So, Amanda, I can't. That's why you. Hey, Amanda. No, because, oh my God, when it comes to rooms, like I will eat my family

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First of all, it was a weird like Luke on the phone. I'm bringing Sarah, who's Sierra, what's going on? We see flashbacks that he actually knows her. She may be modeled for his. is one of his jewelry companies and she's gorgeous and they come in and Hannah you're a little like thrown off like wait I thought we might rekindle even though we know from like I think other podcasts you were on and maybe even my podcast so like you and Luke were like an unclear thing ever since last season like it was like you were never together together but you were hanging out all the time I can even vouch for it I'm sure page can vouch for it like you were hanging out all the time he was talking to you on the phone all the time he loved you in his life but there was a

little bit of like an unclear thing especially because there was no penetration weirdly he wouldn't have sex. There was penetration in the mouth but besides that um no but Amanda you just nailed it the situation was like gray so even though but he was taking up like a lot of my time and that like I've never had a guy friend who like calls you twice a day to just like tell you his day and his feelings and his emotions and needs advice and whatever. But like I love the attention. I thought he was hot and he was like he really liked me and we had this like nice kind special thing. But then also I was like this guy's not going to be the father of my children. Like he's he I knew he has his own issues. So I was dating other people. I was talking to this like football guy. I had met Des two weeks before and I showed up like

yeah, I was like excited to see Luke but I wasn't like claiming him in any way. The fact he didn't tell me about her obviously is weird especially if he's like claiming we're best friends it's like why wouldn't she tell someone and then it was sierra tell you what but tell you what that he was gonna bring someone to the house but okay so him he's bringing her that's because i was telling you like it was felt weird to me because it didn't feel like i didn't feel as a viewer that they came in as anything they came in they came in him wanting something with her her wanting a group of runs. That's what it looked like. Exactly. So I was not upset like, oh, he's, he's, you know, whatever, picking one or the two. I was upset after the conversation with Sierra when she was like,

girl. When he invited you to Minnesota to meet his parents, he invited me to Minnesota to meet his parents. And like, he told me you want all this stuff from him and he doesn't have sex with you because you'll want to like date him and all this stuff. And then I started feeling like, yeah, a lot of people were like, oh, Hannah's in love with him and all this stuff based on things that were being said. And I just kind of was hurt. And we both sat him down to be like, what's good? Like, where do we go from here? Because you've been, you know, crossing lines and playing people. But it wasn't supposed to be like a big fight. But then the second he basically was like, I don't know you. That's when I was like, okay. And then I cried. And then he kept wanting to talk to me and it would end badly. And then,

but then after we had that like talk outside, like I was very, I was happy that we could. can be in the house and be good because like I was already like falling for does more and more does and I after we went on like four dates and then basically I was like I'm going to house for six plus weeks I like you don't know what the fuck's going to happen there hopefully afterwards like we can see where this goes but then every night I was calling does just being like like crying to which we learn now show him your worst size and see if he still loves you and the next thing you know

he's seen your worst sides and if he stays around maybe he's the person for you next thing you know you're fucking in a bathroom next thing you know but so Paige was saying the last episode she was saying on the beach like imagine if Luke came and wanted to date Hannah we might have not had met

Des. Do you feel like that do you feel like I know it's hard to look back like that if you came and Luke was charming again and away and like whatever would you have at that point in your relationship where it was starting with des would you have like hooked up with luke or drunkenly kissed him or did you because you weren't my question is were you exclusive with des when you came in the house no i was talking to other guys too it was more that i was like hurt by someone who i really cared about and trusted and then kind

of heard that they were talking about me like not in the right way but i think if i came in like Luke and I were flirting a lot like it's like why bring another guy to the house to their drama but like immediately it was weird and I also like didn't really know Des in the beginning so I also have my walls up with Des like people love to be like oh if a guy like someone the girl wants to date him like I literally didn't know Des I was like he could be a fucking narcissist psychopath comedian like many of them that I've dated before and I was like had a huge crush on him but I was like I know the devil I know which is the kind of this house. So I also

steadily got closer and closer to Dez and like about four weeks in like it's a whole month of phone calls. I was like holy shit. I really like this guy. You know what's so wild to me, Han? I hope you don't get mad of me for saying this. You're so smart and emotionally intelligent and you like weren't smart in the Luke

situation. Well the Luke situation I. Paige is looking me like Amanda aboard. No, it's no because for me like as her friend and watching her, Like, it's so hard for me to watch her get so much hate for this summer. Like, and people say certain things. And she said it herself, like, people are like, oh, you manipulated the whole Luke thing.

She's like, if I was manipulative, wouldn't I have had it go a different way? Like, you know, it's just, I don't know. It gets me so. No, Paige, I'm talking about, no, no, no. I'm saying before, I'm saying that Hannah's so smart and so emotionally intelligent that she still got caught up with this guy. Well, this is what was crazy, which I don't... But do you get what I'm saying, Hannah? This is what was crazy.

I played myself because I went in being like... Because it's so hot. No, because I was like, I was like also fucked up from past relationships. So like I was emotionally unavailable. So this guy who comes in, clearly emotional and available, I'm like, I'm going to like hook up with this guy and have so much fun this summer. Now, Paige, I think, definitely saw like, this is red flag. like this is bad and I was like no no no I'm good at like hooking up with a guy and if it's not meant to be like we're never going to date I could never have anticipated in a million years that

this hot model who I like had this physical attraction and flirty thing with would then try to talk to me the whole entire year and put me in this that was where he got me I didn't I never thought because most guys who aren't into you leave you alone right right because it was a little bit of, I've never dealt with this in my life. A really, in a plain way, we can just say, it was a little bit leading on because he was calling you all the time. You were hanging out all the time. But he wouldn't like have sex, but he would hook up. But he wanted you there. I was basically a girlfriend that like you could fuck anyone you wanted, but I was always there for you emotionally. And I was lonely too. But like, I could never

have anticipated that like this guy I was trying to hook up with would put me in this like weird situation that I also was playing into because I was like, oh, I like kind of have this guy that I could talk to 24-7 and he flirts with me the whole time. But there's something off about it and I can't put my finger on me. Yeah. But I also, to this day, you will never hear me say on the hundreds of podcasts I've been on Summer House. I never once said that I wanted to date him. And like, I've never broken in that way because I just knew that he would fuck me up real fucking bad if this is how it went without even without even dating. But, but, but, but, So I know you spoke all winter, but did you, I think, am I wrong to say that you, like,

kind of stop talking maybe after the reunion of last year? Like, you, did you have a period where you weren't speaking before filming again in quarantine? The timelines are so annoying. But so before the summer, last, the summer house was airing, where, like, we were watching our, like, kind of left story unfold. And during it, Paige and I were doing Instagram lives. And, like, he would, like, be commenting and, like, want to go. live with me after like midnight and like he was loving all that shit and I was like

into it but then I was like making fun of his guitar playing and he got like really mad at me and like sent me this long thing like don't have her fucking and I was just like dude I'm done with this like really like are you gonna are you serious and I basically was like fuck you so then for two weeks before the reunion we didn't speak gets on the reunion even though I obviously I was back the whole summer and was like you manipulate page and Amanda to not like me which is exactly what he tried to do with Sierra this year. And then I was like, are you trying to fight me? And then afterwards he called me and was just like, I'm sorry.

Like, I love you. I care about you. And then it was back to the normal thing. Okay. So just to wrap up the Luke stuff, I just want to say as a viewer, like I, again, objectively don't see what maybe some people are feeling. like I didn't see a scene in which you brainwashed Sierra. Like I missed that scene.

I didn't see that you said. Well, it's Luke's interviews. So people who want to like believe the interviews will just like go with what people are saying about me. And no one's a villain here, guys. No one. I mean, this is just like relationships, people hooking up, people dating, a guy kind of playing the field, a girl that was kind of, you know, thought something would

like nothing is a super big deal, especially if you're not a person that's involved in it. But you know, it is a big deal. Page de Sorbo. Fucking with my weekend. Paige literally broke the internet with her trip to Charleston, Hannah, with her trip to Charleston with Sierra, which she like so like, boop, just like. Just so casual.

It's like a little hop and a skib. But, no, first of all, Paige filmed Winterhouse, which most of us already know that Paige, we're going to see her again on Winterhouse, Sierra as well, Craig as well. Austin is Luke, too? We spent time in Vermont. I don't know if it was filmed.

You don't know. But I've been to Vermont. So there are rumors going around that Craig and you, Paige, are dating. And that was before your, like I said, a little hop and a skip to Charleston. And then the Charleston thing and you being there and hanging out, you, Paige, Sierra, and Austin kind of ignited those rumors. So I want to, we want to hear from you, Paige, about. that. Okay. So Craig and I are a thousand percent not dating. I planned this trip actually because my brother and his girlfriend were going away for her birthday. And they were going to go to Miami.

And then they were like, you know what? Let's go to Charleston. Like everything's fully open. And it just happened to land on the weekend of our reunion. So Sierra was in New York. And I was like, hey, do you want to get on a flight with me like Saturday morning and go to Charleston? And she was like, um, yes. So Austin wasn't even there Saturday night. And then we, of course, Craig is like very accommodating. And when he found out we were coming, he was like, oh my God, I'm planning the whole weekend. And we hung out with him the whole time. Craig and I have known each other for years because he came to the house like two, two years ago. So we've always gotten along. We've always been friends. We have like very similar personalities. But we are not romantically involved.

or anything. But we are very good friends. He hooked up with Jewel when he came on Summer House, I recall. Wait, but Pete, you're saying it with a little bit of like a gray area. Am I the only one that's feeling this in the room? Because you're like,

you're not that dramatic about your no. No, I really swear to you. Like, we're just friends. Obviously, we're like, we were drunk the whole time. People saw whatever they saw. But like, it wasn't, it was blown way out of. of proportion. And like a lot of people were coming up to us because I think it was just the fact that the four of us were all together that it looked like, oh my God, they're like dating. But there

were so many other like friends around us and we just happened to be blackout drunk every single night and like having fun laughing and like bar hopping. But no, no one is like anyone's boyfriend or girlfriend. And like Craig and, you know, I know he has a girlfriend or like whatever his relationship status is, like none of my business, but I would never like disrespect a girlfriend or anything. And I don't know her, but I don't need to know her to disrespect that. So it's nothing like that happened at all. So a lot of people, it's so funny, because people feel like they know people, right? Either influence, like people on Instagram or on reality TV. So I got so many messages about the situation. And a lot of them were like, Paige wouldn't do that. Like page wouldn't. And I was like,

no, she really wouldn't because you do have this sense of like being, you know, like a, first of all, you came on, you know, two seasons with a boyfriend. You were always super loyal. So I think people can tell that like you wouldn't. Craig is very respectful. He would never cheat on a girlfriend. And like he certainly would never cheat on a girlfriend with me. And so none of that happened.

But what? Like heavy flirting when you're drunk? Is that what people are seeing? I mean, Craig and I will always have like a little flirty something. But nothing, you know, no one's, like, asking anyone out on dates or, like, being, making out in a bar. Like, that is so untrue. So was there, though, a hookup? No.

No. No. Okay. Even though. No, even though. Why? Why? I mean, of course, I think Craig is, like, the cutest.

He's so cute. And I, like, have had a crush on him for years. But, no, we're, like, we became very good friends. And, like, we talk all the time. But I chip. Like, I feel like I say this with a lot of people that would agree that, like, we would ship. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

I need to put up, like, a poll. Like, who would people ship more? Are you in Carl? Or are you in Craig? I think that Craig and I's personality is a lot more similar than Carl and I. Agreed. But would you want to date someone? more similar to you than like someone less similar to you? I mean, why not date them all? I don't

know. I also, like only six months single. I'm not, I don't want to be anyone's girlfriend anyway. So, but I mean, I mean, they're both adorable. If I have to pick between the two, it's not bad. Wait, is Perry out of the picture completely now? Yeah, Perry and I, here's the thing. Like when I date someone and then, and I, I mean, you see through the summer, like, what was I doing? Like, you know, I'm so confused. And that definitely happens to me. But then once I make a decision with like, I'm done with you, I am done with you. Like, I can't even bring myself to go back. So when Perry and I broke up in September, we never got back together. And we didn't even speak for a couple of months. And we just recently, like, became friends again because we do have a lot of mutual friends. So I'm in like group chats with him. now and it's very cordial. But like we expected that to happen and we didn't have a messy breakup. So we were fine.

Was it a breakup that sort of felt like it was going to happen? So like it wasn't that painful when it did because there was a lot of because I feel like I think we all kind of felt it even watching you on Summerhouse. It was like we had mourned it already. Like in reality, we should have broken up in March. But then the pandemic hit and things kind of just got weird. And we were like, okay, so like what we're going to break up and like not talk when the world is ending? Yeah, like what, like what if this is it, you know? So really, I think we both knew we should

have broken up then. And then I left for six weeks. And it was kind of the nail in the coffin. That was like, yeah, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be together. So when I got home, it was just inevitable. I feel like that's normal. Like if you wake up one day and want to break up with your boyfriend, you break up with him that night, you're a sociopath. Like, first you get a little. thought, then you have to ask all your friends what they think, and then you have to like test him like a hundred times to see if he messes up, and then you have to think on it and then end it violently in like a year.

Yeah, and there were times over the summer. And everyone's like, how are you fine? And you're like, in my head it was a year ago. Yeah. And like over the summer, there were definitely days where I was like, what am I stupid? Oh my God, I love him so much. And then other days I'd be like, no, I can do this. Well, no, you do love him. It was the question of like, if you want to marry this dude and you guys were at the point where like he was,

down to clown. He was ready, yeah, and I just... You did have really cute moments. Like, I felt when you talked on the phone, you called each other pup and stuff. Yeah. I mean, we were definitely cute when we dated. Like, we had a great relationship.

That's the other thing. This is the first breakup I've ever had. I never saw them fight. I never saw them fight. Yeah, where, like, we never fought. The guy, like, he was great. So it was, like, breaking up with someone that I'm like, you really didn't do anything wrong?

I just don't feel this anymore. So it was actually even harder. We have to normalize fucking everywhere and then normalize breaking up with people just because it's not right for you, not just because they like to have murder your family or something intense. You know, it's almost easier if you like hate the person and you're like absolutely get out of my life. Where with Perry, it was really sad. And I think that's why it took me so long to like finally come to the decision. But I feel like I had mourned us breaking up all summer so that when it actually happens in the fall, I was like, okay, I'm fine.

Yeah. So when my, I was telling you my sister's watching Summer House. So when was it that Perry wanted you to go to like Miami or something? Was it this season or an old season? No, it was this season. His house, we had rented a house when quarantine started and we'd moved in in April and we lived

there until he lived there until September. And then when I got out of Summer House, we were going to go right to Miami. So yeah. So my sister was like, how does she want him, how does he want her to go to Miami when he's not even coming to the house? And I was like, yeah, but if you think about it, like, you know, coming to the house, breaking forth wall means filming. It's not just like coming to the house, hang out with my

friend's normal life. It's like he, I assume that his not, that him not wanting to come to the house had to do with the filming. Is that? Absolutely. It, and I, you know, I could never, obviously, it's hard to like say certain things but like I would never want to force him into filming and there was part of me that liked that he didn't want to be on the show because like this is my thing but he started dating me and I was already on summer house for a year so like he knew what he was getting into yeah to then kind of like flip it a little where he felt like oh okay so you're going to be away for six weeks and are you going to do it again next summer it was kind of like, dude, I, this is my thing. And I'm cool with you not being on it,

but you have to be cool with me being on it. So that was one of a pretty big reason on why I was like, I don't think we're, you know, meant for each other. So would you, yeah, I could see, I could get your vibe. Like, I would probably maybe prefer to date somebody not in it just because it's like, are you? It's a very fine line. And like Hannah and I've talked about it so much where it's like oh you know she said something to me one night and I was just like wow that like it just makes so much sense if I knew that this was the man I was going to marry and I didn't give a shit about anything but him I would absolutely like leave the show like I don't okay I don't care anymore but the fact that I was like I don't think this is it so I'm going to

quit my job I'm going to like throw away everything just to go like be with a guy that I don't even know if I'm going to be with forever, like, that's where my mental, like, kicking in Hebrew, there's a saying that it goes, when there is a doubt, there's no doubt, if that makes sense. So you had so many doubts that that, like, that there's, like, no doubt that probs not. That's, you know. It's also, it's also so hard to date when you are on reality TV, because it's either I've gone out with guys who like want to be on the show so bad or I've gone out with guys that are like

you are so trashy, this is disgusting. And like unless you've filmed a reality TV show, it's so hard to explain what you go through or explain how you feel about it. So like we do have like a weird bond. So that's why like when people say like, oh, you, they see me and Craig. Like yeah, because you naturally have a bond with someone

that like is unexecutive. Explainable. That's why I feel like Hannah and I got so close so quick or like why you get so close with certain people. Yeah, I remember when Craig and Kristen Cavalier and Justin Anderson hung out and they were like obsessed with each other. I was like, yeah, calm down. And Craig was like, well, we bonded over like being on reality TV. And yeah, there's just so many things you like can't explain to someone unless they've lived it. And that it's hard when it's with like your partner and you're like, but you don't get it. Yeah. And. But I do think Paige taught me, like, for people listening who were confused about stuff, like, you know, your friend's always like, what does he mean by this text? Or, like, does he like me? Like, if you have to ask those questions, it's a no. And if you have to be like, do I like him? Like, should I feel this way?

So, like, those are like the whispers in your ear just telling you. And I remember Paige just wanted someone to tell her what to do. And I was like, I'm not going to tell you to break up with your dude. But I'm also not going to tell you to stay with him. But you're telling me what you want, but you're just not saying. it, you're using questions. Yeah. And now I keep asking Hannah.

I'm like, is it true when you know you know? And she's like, yes. And I'm like, okay, amazing. When I feel it, I'll let you know. It's so true. And that's, I was just going to say that page because, like, I get asked it a lot. And also, like, I know it's so fucking cheesy. But it's not in like a cheesy way of like, when I saw you, I knew I went.

No, it's just like, you just don't have the questions. And you just go with the flow and you're like, oh, wait. so you're with it and you're like, yeah, like, and you don't even think about it. It's basically when you like a guy a lot in the beginning. But then you know how you get bored after three months, the boredom doesn't leave. Yeah. And I don't think I haven't really been in love in like a really, really long time. And I don't even think it was, it was like almost like puppy love. Like we had nothing else to compare it to. So in my head, I'm always like, oh my God, it should be like a romantic comedy or it should be like whatever. And then like after three months, I'm usually like done with people. So I'm just waiting for. for that, like, contentness feeling. And Hannah, do you think that now that you're in, which is so funny to see Hannah go from, you know, that your brand was so dating. I mean, all of your...

My whole stand-up is why I'm single. And is it because of me or other people. So I need to rewrite that shit. Oh, my God. I'm stressing. I'm stressing. You need to rewrite. You need to be like what comedians that talk about marriage.

Like, my husband. My fucking husband. The whole ball and train. Yeah, you need to change it up to them. No, I think it's going to be like how you finally like locked someone in and like with the transition. I'm working on kind of a bit about like how I've never dated this guy outside of the pandemic. And like I said yes to marry him. But I'm like, what if the pandemic is over?

And then he like, you know, the subway doors open. He doesn't let people come off or like what if we're like in the movie theater and he puts like chocolate in his popcorn? like he sings happy birthday restaurant so I'm like working on that because I had a couple people and be like what if when things open up like he like does crazy weird shit that like you don't know

because we've only lived in the pandemic but I joke that the pandemic is like dog year so I feel like I've known this man so much longer but only in a specific kind of way so I'll keep you guys posted yeah I just know no but it's so wild like all of a sudden I open Instagram it's like Hannah being like

this is the wedding venue you, and I'm like, who is she? But I love, I feel like I'm, like, changing before our eyes. Page is so, like, prepared for these things and good at these things. So I'm, like, reckless. And she'll just slide in and be like, yeah, this is the one. Please don't pick any other ones.

Okay, bye. Like, she just, like, gives me, like, nods because she knows what's happening. Like, I'll see different venues and I won't comment on any of them. Yeah. And then I'll see, like, once you post and I go, this is it. Thank you. I'll bend by you later from my consultant. consulting fees.

Hannah, I'm so excited for you. Do you think that now that you are engaged woman, two questions before we go, will you come back as an engaged woman? Or are you like Paige said in the example going to be like, my man's no show? Well, Des is in an interesting situation where like he's touring all summer. So like I might want to be drinking all summer. But then again, I might be touring this summer. So like things are still kind of up in the air. But like the experiences I've had with my friends at that house are so fucking crazy and unforgettable.

And I do think like Paige said out, her and Perry the six weeks, like was a pressure cooker for them. Like we didn't sign up to like a six week real world type scenario. Like I love like working during the week, spending like two or three days and going home, calling my mom, saying what happened, her talking me off a ledge, call like my other friends, figure it out, come back, new bitch, calm, collect. So, like, if we go, I would just love to go back to weekend so I can, like, work. Because also, like, my stand-up tour got canceled. And I'm getting called, like, a lazy piece of shit. But I'm like, I just got fired. So I'm hoping all that stuff gets back in action.

But I know you also, like, years ago told me Amanda, I'm ready to. It's so funny, because I remember when you were single and we did one of our podcast together. And I was like, but Hannah, like, are you ready to, like, settle down? You're like, yeah. I'm like, and get married and have kids. And you were like, yeah. So that's crazy that that's, like, happening. And how far in the future do you see little, little bishops?

Oh, my God. It's funny you said that because I think, yeah, people think I'm... It's funny. That I'm pregnant. Yeah. Wait, Hannah, are you going to change your last name? No. Even though Hannah Bishop is so cute.

Yeah, I'm trying to say that's actually so cute. But I'm trying to convince him to have our kids have my last name. Because I'm like, what if my brother doesn't have sons? Like, the burner name died. and he anyway we're just there's a lot of antiquated shit happening like he doesn't have an engagement ring walking around when flirting with him and shit at the comedy clubs and I'm just like but I'm here with this blinding ring every guy's walking away once they're short yeah I've always been like very monogamous like when I'm close to someone like I get a very close and like partner like I have

I like having like close close friends like keeping small circles and um does basically was like we like in the hot tub and he'll be like we don't need kids soon right so i think we're trying to enjoy this for a bit he knows he's like a hundred though right yeah that's why he's like i think they'll get married they'll get married she'll be pregnant within like the first six months i'm with you no first year i think first year absolutely look you're not getting i've done the math i've done the math and i think when you're having a baby i will be getting engaged Oh my God. This is manifestation happening.

I love it. That was like powerful manifestation. I love it. However, our kids are going to be like so cute, so annoying, so much attitude. Like, so I'm stressed about that, but it'll be entertaining. She's thinking about it. Look how much he's thinking about it.

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