Not Skinny But Not Fat - Stand Up & Glow Up w/ Hannah Berner

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Catching up with my friend Hannah Berner about married life, her comeback, her relationships with Summer House cast, her glow up, and career advice.  Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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See? No, listen. I can't bring Kim K here. You know what I mean? But Hannah Werner. I'm sorry. The podcast has really gone downhill since Kim K. I'm all you could get. Jesus. Wait. We need to go. back in time for a minute because like I really feel like you guys I knew this bitch when she had like five jobs

and was just running on nothing who knew you had like sperm inside you and I just remember leaving her house and being like that girl's really talented and she's working harder than anyone and I just was like I'm excited to see what she does

so when you're blowing up I'm not gonna lie some people were like oh my god did you see and I'm like yeah because she went to Beacon. She's a Beacon night. We went to the same high school. I know the kind of blood in her veins. Yeah. Well,

people said that in a mean way. They were like, no, I'm just kidding. No, don't do you know. I said people were like, like,

wow, like that's insane. But you know, let me tell you something. I think to be the person, okay, because I've been a podcast ho like you lately and I've gone on some podcasts.

I'm like, when I get asked the like, when did you feel like you made it? Or like, when was the moment? And I feel like, and tell me if you feel this way, too when you're in it and you're quote unquote working your ass off or doing something that you

love and putting every ounce of like dedication into it for for me was for six years right I can't look at a moment and be like oh this is when I'm also going to be honest I think why you're successful is because you're not sitting here thinking I made it right you're like in this crazy journey and you don't even you have no cap on like when you've made it and I think the reason you're successful is because you actually enjoy the process you put as much effort. You're going to put as much effort into this podcast with me as you did with Kim, as you do with the first podcast you ever did, as you did when you're with your sister. I just, I have an appreciation for you because I know you behind just like the Amanda people here on a pod. And

I just have to say the people that are successful, it's not luck. It's not, they came out of nowhere. It's people behind them. Even the MGK, babe, like we both watched it. I saw you watched it. For the MGK documentaries, say what you want to say about him. He's this exact kind of where to some people, it looks like he blew up out of nowhere. Yep. Came in a nor. But no, he's been doing this shit since he was born, basically. Hot take.

What? You love him? Let's stop hating on MGK. I know. The thing is, there are some things to hate on, so I do understand. I'll always say, like, but things can be two things. Like, he can be a little gross at times and like, a little cringe at times. But I really do feel after watching the doc that he is the real deal.

You could tell him the beginning, it was very PR where he got his daughter to be like, even though I never saw my dad, I think he's super talented and great. And he gives back. And I'm like, okay, you better give her a cookie after that, you know? But the actual, we forget. And I think you've probably dealt with this too. You used to be the one just commenting on celebrities, right? Then some of your friends, such as myself, start doing reality TV.

Then you start meeting the celebrities. And then you get in a weird place where you're like, I get why the audience or people want to have a group mentality against certain people, but then you also know who they are. Yeah. And MGK kind of showed us a little more who he is because it's so easy to be like, look at this fucking douchebag. Yeah. And it's not that black and white.

It's not. And it's so true. And it is a fine line specifically for me. But I think just like with everything else that I do and the reason why it was funny, I did a barstole podcast the other week. And he was like, the dude was like, so like, you know, What kind of videos do you make? And I'm like, I don't, I don't make video.

Because like, how long are your video? You're just like trying to put me in a box, like, M.GK. And it's like, I don't make. Are you the female M.G.K? Oh, my God, you guys, I'm GK. Oh, my God. Revelation right here. Okay, but wait.

I want to go back because I want, in case people didn't listen to our previous 17 podcasts together. We were. We had fun. Yeah. The first time, first of all, are you still with the PR? that you were with when we first met? No.

Okay. I won't say her name, though. But, okay, when I had just started my podcast, I was with a really small network. Yeah. And I think he was like, like reaching out to guests for me at the time. And, you know, your podcast would always come up under like the same category. And this was, was this before Summerhouse? It might have been.

It might have been when you were just like. We go way back. We reached out and your producer, your PR accidentally respond. to the email when we were at instead of forwarding it to you and was like should I like which is funny because today you're a podcast toe but like she was like should we just I don't know the terminology she used but she was like should I just like make them make it go away and like like kind of and then you were like no no I want to do it and like we saw it anyway that was our first thing you came to my old apartment he goes you've been a thirsty bitch since day one yeah thirsty bitch

It's just like I go get her. It was funny when I met, I know I was going to name drop right now, but I saw Kim Kardashian when I did the Chloe Kardashian episode. Kim was in the building and I went to say hi to her and her hairdresser was there. And because I've always been a thirsty bitch, I had him on my podcast before I could get to them like two years ago. You have, there's a long trip to get to that. Right. So I had Chris Appleton was in my fucking apartment. He's a gorgeous giant gay man who's Australian and like very intimidating because he's just cheekbones like a cut ice yeah you're like how are you not a model yeah he was in my stupid apartment that you were in and it was funny because so I saw him when I did the

Chloe interview and I was like oh my God Chris you were on my podcast and he looked to me like oh like I don't remember and you're just like you know not everybody's super nice he's like wash your hair before you talk to me he I did that and then I remember like dude, I would have, so like you were saying, I was podcasting and I was doing all the things way before huge guests and way before these kinds of things. But we were talking when you came in, oh my God, this is going to be so messy, even though I have a plant thing. We were talking before because you came in and you were like, we had a glow up.

I do have to say. Okay. I was saying we had a glow up, but for sure you had a glow up. Really? Like in what looks wise? It's okay. Let's be honest. Let's be honest.

Okay. We both are very naturally beautiful, you know, but we, I don't think, cared about trends as much. Or like, try to look good. Try to look good or put makeup on. But there's a weird thing that the industry does where it's almost rude to show up looking the way we do sometimes. And like, you're forced to put an effort. And then we start learning about like, oh. Did you see what I wore to the Addison Ray podcast I did?

Oh, it was bad, right? It was so bad, Hannah. That stuff will traumatize you. But do you think, but do you think here's my question. pre-glow up, do you think we were doing that, like dressing like we don't care? I think it was part of like a tactic, not a tactic. I think the mindset, even though very quickly and like obviously not planned was kind of like, kind of to look like you to like, I don't know.

I feel like my mind was kind of like if you don't make a big deal and don't look like you're making a big deal, then it's not a big deal. Like imagine you had to put a face of makeup and dress up and then like be disappointed. Well, I also think we're both very confident in our personality, and that's what we wanted to put forward first. We don't want to be, like, competing over, like, the makeup and the trends. We were just like, this is me and if, and focus on my personality. Yeah. But then people say reality TV, everyone starts getting plastic surgery.

My thing is more you just see yourself on camera more. And then you also, this is what it is what it really is. What is it? You start getting surrounded by people whose only job is to make people look good. So, like, Paige hooked me up with the new hair girl. And she's like, oh, you've been cutting your hair wrong. all these years who then introduced me to a colorist who then introduced me to a tanning person and then I got free invisaline and next thing you know like it's just you're surrounding yourself

with people who are really going to make you look good but back then why would I run into a great hairstylist babe do you remember you were like banana pajamas on summer house while like from forever 21 but like but Luke was like super into you that like you guys that was a vibe that was a vibe I'm just but I think there is something to a girl and I think that was my mindset all these years It's like I just did feel like it was cooler to not give a shit, I think. Do you know what I mean? And I feel like we've elevated, but we're still ourselves. Right.

I mean, look at what we're wearing today. Yeah, I mean, listen, we're not page de Sorbo over here. Can I just tell you, I propos, Page de Sorbo? She went to an event the other day and she was wearing like a cute bow and like a silk dress and like cutting pink cupcakes. As she does. And I was invited to that event. And I just wrote to her like, as much as it would be nice to see you, this video.

of you and the ribbon on your head like in pastel looking cupcakes just reinforces that it was not an event for me. And I feel like I'm really good. This is a podcast about like just elevating ourselves and being into ourselves. I think I'm really good.

I have really good instincts. And the way I had instincts about the connections that I made in this industry, I have instincts about who, what events to go to. Like I just knew when I was invited to this thing like no. Like, it's just not going to be me.

Yeah, I feel like you get a rush of, like, your heart starts beating fast when you know the event is going to be bad. If I walk in and I don't know anyone, your girl is your girl is my thing. My thing is I'll find the other girl who's like, we don't fit in and talk shit the entire time in the corner. But like, are you into going to events? Because I feel like you're, maybe you're into that now.

People don't know this about me, but I have, I actually do have a lot of social anxiety. If you're not someone I feel comfortable with, I put so much effort to, like, being, you know, friendly and funny and charming and doing the right things when I get home I'm like I can't fucking see a person for three weeks I know it's hard I hate it that's why for me like I want to talk about where you're at in your career but I feel like at this point in time I'm not looking as much I'm not like you guys don't worry I'm still self-centered bitch I'm not

looking to like be seen taking pictures in the red carpet like oh here's Amanda she has an no no I will go if it's like something cool if it's the Kardashian premiere and I'm As to hose. If there's more than one free bags, I'll be there. If I know that if it's your event, right? If it's a friend's event, if it's even an internet friends event, you know, somebody that I've talked to a lot over DM and they're really cool. And I think so a lot, but I won't.

But you know influencers that go to every event they're invited to? And it's like, and it used to look cool to me before I was in this industry. But all I picture is that girl getting hair and makeup done, taking a stylist maybe, because what the fuck are you going to wear you have to look good for that that's a lot of money and then you're going usually by yourself you're not you're not going with a plus one usually saying a couple embarrassing things you regret that you'll never forget for years and then what having a getty photography be like what's your name i also have to let people know influencers are not known for being like the warmest chillest vibes so like it's i do think that it's the widely known now that

even like the the trips girls will go on i hear the funny guys how are we not invited write it on Revolve trips. Are we not? Do we not give Revolve? We would get hammered and start like doing Insta Stories talking shit or something. Do you know how hard they work the Revolve girls? You guys, I've heard stories like. Oh, the girls who get chosen, do they get paid to?

The girls that go on the Revolve trips, it's literally probably feels like influencer camp where Revolve is just like, go make content now. Like, could you imagine even being told that? That is so funny. So then it's me and you going to the pool and me being like, film me and my ass like sweat i just i don't relate to it okay y'all the cis kiss makes such cute jewelry i got so many different personalized noah jewelry i have two rings um i also got amanda hoop earrings they remind me of j low vibes and they just make amazing jewelry that is so

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So you think we glowed up. It was a mix of seeing yourself. It was very gradual. It was a mix of seeing yourself. But also, but like you'll still put photos of your hairy toes. So let's not like. Oh yeah.

My hairs are still toey. I do everyone, all the real girlies have one fucked up toe now from like one weird thing that happened. And a hole in your foot. She keeps me humble. She's learning to love herself. But I also,

if you think about it like, there starts to be people that know things more than you. And as you become more entrepreneurial, you become, you delegate. So I started to be like, Okay, I'll do a stylist. Okay, I'll get, I'll get an eyebrow girl.

Wait, you took a full-time stylist. This is a big deal. Yeah, because my stand-up clips started going viral on TikTok, and I got a couple people in my circle being like, if you post another video in this, like, black dress, I was very steep jobs. Like, I don't want to think about what I'm going to wear when I perform. Like, men don't have to. I don't want to have to come up with a new outfit, so I just wear the same Amazon

dress. And I hate to say it because I was never materialistic person, but, like, people are, like, respecting me more than I'm putting more effort into my external self, which I hate, I hate to say it out loud. You feel that? Like, are people telling you that? Or do you feel it from the audience? I think we're all a little vapid and people just like are giving me a little more respect in terms of like the industry. But I'll tell you guys something about a stylist. And I think I spoke about this after I took one for my Kim interview and like a couple things. For me was like when I booked the Kim interview, instead of thinking about my questions, instead of thinking about where I'm going to say,

what I'm going to do my my thing was like I'm going to wear what I'm right right you're paying to relieve anxiety so I'm telling you so I was literally spinning all I could think about all like like like I couldn't think about anything but what I'm going to look like really deep over here really great until I made the decision to take a stylus and the moment the ball wasn't in my court and I knew somebody else was going to handle it for me it was worth literally so much money it was worth more money than I paid the amount of relief I got the minute I said, I don't have to worry about this. I don't have to pack one fucking thing in my suitcase for this because somebody else who's a professional is taking care of it. And that is worth that to me, I feel like is so worth it. I mean, shopping anxiety is real.

I get it because I'm not only kind of inherently cheap. So like I'm like, I'm not worth this. I don't deserve this. Right. Right. Right. And then also like putting stuff on, you have to literally, you're forced to judge your body. Yeah. And, and that's. can be insecure too. So having a stylist. Or listen to the sales associate who doesn't know. And I'm like, she'll convince me. She'll be like, oh, that looks so great. And I'm like, oh, does it? Okay. Yeah. And then I'll buy it and I'll get home, Eritia. Yeah. And see that the return policy really sucks. And I'm screwed with these like body suits. I can't let them return them. I panic order. I like try to become a different person. When I shop, I'm like, if I get this insane dress, I'm a different bitch. And then I get it. And I'm like,

I will never wear that. I never did. I'm not that girl. Who did I think I was when I bought that, you know? But I think it really is, Hannah, what you were saying before is like being on TV, being on screens, having more people see you or seeing yourself, I feel like kind of makes you want to put a little bit more effort. And there's a spectrum for everything. So we're not at the like, you know, I still, I don't. I don't have to deal with paparazzi every day. Right. Yeah.

What would we do then? We'd fucking be Botox fillered up if we had to deal with operandi. I really went into like when I knew I was filming a reality TV show with bikinis when you're like bloated drunk. I was like, fuck it. This is my body. I want to show that women don't have to. I ate the whole time. I stress ate the whole time.

And you'll see in scenes. I'm just stuffing my face. And I fucking ate. Did I have a lot of stress diarrhea as well? Yes. It comes with the territory. But I wanted to show that women don't have to be like perfect all the time and and be confident. And that's kind of I didn't want to change for the TV.

I want the TV to change for me kind of thing, but I did notice like, okay, you could brush your hair sometimes. Yeah. Like there are small things you can do that aren't plastic surgery, that aren't even fillers and Botox. Are you doing that stuff? I'm not. You're not either. You look great. But I've started to think about it, which just goes to show you, like I've started to notice these lines in my 11s. And I would try to think because I looked back. I went back because I'm like, is this new? And then I went back to my like videos from like a year ago. I'm like, no, they were. there i just literally didn't notice like what does that mean yeah i didn't notice it's like and now it's all i can see it's like in college someone told me out a long torso and i didn't know that

and now that's all i can think of like i'm literally thinking about my torso right now i'm like amanda thinks i have brittany spears long torso on the nubiest legs like that's where i wear high waisted it looks normal right now but this is really high waist my legs started like here yeah anyway i'm proud of youtube to see that visual so okay so you look i mean i like i love, okay, let's put things into perspective. She's not Paige DeSorbao right now. You're still wearing jeans and a corset. You know what I mean? You're not, it's not like over the top. You're still yourself. And if I didn't know you had a stylist, I'd just be like, oh, she just is giving more of a shit. Well, the stylist's job is to

just like elevate who you are and not make you feel uncomfortable in clothes. And I, like, Paige loves being the most dressed person at an event. If I was over dressed at an event, I would hide in the bathroom. Right. And that's just our personality types. It's the same thing for me. I'd rather be underdress than overdress and I'd rather be comfortable than look good a lot of the time. And I think that's the problem. Your wedding dress is so fucking uncomfortable. Yeah, it was not comfortable for you? I couldn't sit.

Oh, by the way, people thought I was flexing when you got married. It was the day I did the Kim interview. Do you remember? Was that why you couldn't come? You don't remember? You were just like, oh my God, babe, I'm sorry, I have so much work. Oh. Well, you didn't say so.

I just, you made it sound. You didn't tell me exactly what it was. Oh, maybe I wasn't talking about it yet. Yeah. Because you know how you think something's not going to happen if you talk about it? A thousand percent. Yeah. You just feel like I have something really important.

I'm so sorry. Yeah. It was that. It was that day. Oh my God. Well, if anyone to know. Wait, or Chloe. Your wedding was in May.

It was May 13th. Friday 13th. Chloe. Oh my God. So Chloe and I have peace now. So, oh, okay. So when I posted, I was like, congratulations. Hannah, like so bummed I wasn't there.

People were like, boop. I was invited to Hannah's wedding. Boop. I was in my. People thought I was like flexing. I was like, No. I think it was so nice of you because I mean. And I sent you flowers. Did you not get them? Oh my God. Yes. But you did this like interesting app. I know. It's a really cool app. It is so cool but I got scared. I thought you were scamming me. I thought you were like getting me to join a pyramid scheme. It was like Amanda wants to send you a special gift. No, you guys is such a cool app. So I don't know Hannah's address. Right. So a lot of times you don't know people's address. I want to send them shit. There's this cool app. It's called Goody. And I'm not even, this is not an ad where all you need is a person's phone number and you can send. And you can send. them again. I was like, this bitch has been hanging out with the Kardashians. But you didn't,

but you didn't accept it. Oh, maybe I didn't. You know what happened? I was like getting my makeup done for my wedding. Oh, see? And I just like didn't. And I totally forgot. But now I'm going to go back in. I'm going to make sure I get those flowers. But also you, you know, you're a commentator in pop culture and we're friends. And then you're also commenting on reality TV. And you've always like been just like so there for me behind the scenes. Like regardless external shit. And I just don't forget those little things even if I don't you know haven't seen you for a bit I'm just I'll always like remember when people were kind to me yeah and you've always been one of those people I really have yeah and I don't know why I don't know because no because first of all aside from the fact that I've

always loved you I always I stick to what I think is right no matter what so with what happened with you I it wasn't like subjective like oh I know Hannah yeah for years and I'm just going to stand by her side. It was like, I think this shit is wrong. So I'm not going to fucking see this happen. I'm still, first of all, let's give a round of applause, not only for your physical glow up, but for your fucking comeback. Because it's kind of a comeback. Like, you went through a year of therapy. Therapy. Dude. It was a year. I just got anxiety thinking about it because when I see people going through shit sometimes you can really

like I could kind of feel on my chest for you It affects my relationships too Because when you're going through your own shit You're not like present for people I even remember getting dinner with you and Tay And I was fucking off Like I was like do you guys even want to be here with me Like if you don't want to post me that's okay

I know I was in like a really I was in an insecure place Are you crazy? I was in an insecure place And then after like 30 minutes I was like oh I'm with my people But when you're surrounded, you know, by a certain, like, narrative or energy, you start believing it a little.

It's funny, too, when something hard happens to you, it's hard. But then when it's done, it doesn't just, like, disappear. Then, you know, you're like, oh, it's been three months since that. It's been six months. I'm so working on it. And you have to feel your feelings. But I, at first I was like, okay, I left reality TV because, like, it's not what I'm meant to do, you know?

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It was wild to watch you because I remember the first, because like we said, you were on the podcast like 17 times. And I remember like the first time it was like, oh my God, Hannah or the second time. Like everyone's obsessed with you. You're having such an amazing season. And I think one of my questions was even like, how does it like you're not getting any hate. Do you remember? I think it was one of my questions like you're a consensus right now.

Like it felt like you were a consensus. like season three you were a consensus it was like Hannah so cool and cute and she just but also that was scary too because you're like where does everyone love me yeah like what's happening because it's so oversimplified like whoever you like on reality tv they're not as great as you think they are and every your hate is definitely not as bad as you think they are because you're a character right and at the end of the day what happened to you and i'll say it a thousand times and i don't care of what anybody says was unjustified, unfair, cruel. And I think somebody said this sentence once and I don't know if it was me.

Some genius said that. A wise woman once said. If people like you, if people don't like you, then they'll just want to find a reason to not like you. I don't think that it's people that turned on you that loved you, died for you. And then I was like, oh, I found out she, you know, is it just not who I thought she was. It's people that hate you that are like, I fucking knew that I hated that bitch or here gives me a reason. I saw this.

There was another influencer. I won't say who it was, but you guys could probably assume, who has recently had her own turmoil on online. And I don't know her. But I wrote her message because I told you, I feel like I felt so bad seeing like just smear campaign on her. And I wrote her message and I was like,

I just want to tell you, it's not as bad as you think it is. you're going to overcome this you're going to be okay i sent her a message too you did because once you've been through it you empathize so hard with but not even you've been through it like i'm getting chills now also if you're in the position where i think every day it could happen to me i live my life being like thank god i went to college like you never know with this industry you could be on top today on the bottom tomorrow like well that's why not to make it about the Kardashians again but like i feel like people try to cancel them every single day every day every day you have to get

so many cancelable things that people forget every day they come from Every day and things that don't even sometimes it's like it seems like it's going to be this huge thing. And I even said this again when I saw her like the Ray J. Remember did you notice that Ray J did like a sit down. Ray J probably thought he was going to break the fucking world. Everyone's nothing. He got two minutes of fame. He got two minutes. So I'm saying every day there's a lawsuit. There's a this. That's why they're so incredible. There's this. And they're they're like blips because every day people come from them. It's almost because deep down it's always someone coming from. them. It's never something like they really, really did. Like I think of the Chrissy Teigen thing where like that was really her own words. Yeah. But still, it is scary how the masses. Well, Chrissy Teigen, it's like people don't want to see her come back. But it's like she's coming back. She's fine. It's kind of like, you know that game at the fair where like you're like bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. And you just keep on hitting the heads. It's like, no, she's going to come back. And people don't like it. They won't like it. But anyway,

so I wrote her message. And she said to me, and she said to me, and she said, was crying and she said, it just feels like people turned on me, these people that I gave them everything turned on me. And I literally voice noted back. And I was like, no, that's not what's happening. People that love you still love you will love you and stick by you. Nobody's turning on you. And if they turned on you, they didn't really love you. Because there's a fine line between hey and love. Like how many times have you seen a message from someone? I used to love you. No, no, no. This, this you'll definitely know too. You'll see like, I fucking hate you, whatever. And then you'll scroll up a little bit. And you'll see like, you're so pretty. Oh, my God, Gorge. And you're like, wow, what a fine line that this bitch flipped on me so quickly. So, yeah. I was in an interesting place, though, where my stuff was like on a, based on a narrative where, like, imagine, I explain to people now that I've, like, reflected on it. Imagine your life being narrated by people who aren't liking you. Like, it's scary. and then I didn't have my confessionals

and then you're watching things through a crazy lens and you're like well from that lens that does look quite like that but I actually like worked a lot on forgiveness a lot on like forgiving myself a lot on like having like empathy and love for them I also am like still best friends with certain people on the show like who page and Sierra I talk to you every day

yeah page and I think are the closest we've ever been I was going to say, I feel like you and Paige, so, okay, there were moments where I felt like she didn't stick up for you enough. There were moments where I was like, do more, do more, say more. We've, she's been very, like, self-aware about it and, like, really, like, repentful about it. She's just, she's apologized. And I also accepted it fully because she's scared too. It could have been her.

Right, right. But I do think that she had. no idea that it would that her saying like I'm team someone once in an interview because she's kind of like was told to or whatever that that would create like a whole like angry mob well I don't even remember that yeah most people don't but I just felt like okay you know you know and you went on the caller daddy thing so I listened to it and it really did feel like Alex was not a fan well Alex like she I felt like she was team you and she thought there was like a team to pick.

It felt like Alex came into the interview kind of feeling like Paige didn't do enough for you and she kind of made that hurt in the interview. Yeah, I feel like Paige and I like after the interview were really like... What the fuck just happened? Well, we were like a little shook and then we almost like felt stronger after.

Like Paige and I have just been through so much. Yeah. And I think we've learned like, oh, people like, I don't care who's trying to break up our friendship. I'm saying whether it's like the show or people on the show, whatever, like our friendship is not based on a stupid show. Do you feel like it's even better that you're not on the show? It's better because when you should a show with someone,

you're afraid if you tell them something they could use it. You know how many things were used against me by people I thought I trusted that then tried to like make it a thing when it was convenient for them or popular? Yeah. So like me not being a part of the show, I'm her safe space now. she could actually talk to you she could actually talk shit to you she tells me and then i because i've done the word i can fucking laugh at it now and be like that's fucking crazy or like oh my god what happened with this and i also feel like with friendships it is there are ups and downs but like

we just our chemistry and the way we make each other laugh is like the basis of our friendship and if you think about like summer house my best memories are laughing with page and the second the like story was moved away from like what our friendship actually is it wasn't fun yeah no one wants to see like page be quiet and me like fight with people yeah like that's that's the thing it's also usually not i feel like it wasn't summer house's vibe until that happened well let's be honest yeah it wasn't a normal season we were locked in a house for six to eight weeks right that like people don't talk about i was full i was the most anxious i ever been i was in like survivor mode i was like BLM was going on and also COVID I was

having nightmares that like my family was dying outside like it was so fucking scary so when you're already on edge yeah and then like people start accusing you of stuff yeah like go fuck yourself i know and looking back especially like the moments that you were accused of don't even amount to anything on paper like there's nothing there's not one thing that somebody could say aside from again just somebody not liking you that's okay that's great. That's totally fine. Were you okay with that? Like, was your ego at a place where you could accept somebody just not liking you? I couldn't because at first I thought they didn't like me because they were seeing a skewed version of my story. And then I realized like, no, because I just

felt really out of control. I'm like, no, no, no. If they knew like what actually happened in that scene or like what I was actually said that made me say that or like what they cut, then they'd know. And then I realized, no, no, no. People were waiting for just any excuse. Yeah. it's like the more people like you the more people hate you the more you put yourself out there the more like shit that goes down so hashtag no regrets though hannah hashtag no regrets for sure because people joke they're like i feel like your redemption season was the season you weren't on but when you're gone people can't like blame you for shit so then like all their shit's exposed and then i just got to do what i love okay you guys so you know that leo is a part of our family he's our

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I really need to make this episode about how great I am. So I, like I said, don't go to events. But like I said, because I liked you when we did each other's podcast, you were like, come to this thing. Like I'll give you, I'll give you a ticket, which obviously I wouldn't pay for it. So that's the only reason I came. Got you limo. And I came for, they were filming Summerhouse there too. Oh, that was Gotham.

Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it was a live podcast. That's the thing. It was a live podcast. because it wasn't comedy. But I did stand up the first 15 minutes.

But you did stand up and you talked about Dave. Oh my God, British Dave. Going down on me and he was there. Yes. I farted on British Dave when he went down on me. And your parents were there sitting behind me. It was very weird. Yeah.

And I remember thinking, because I always think about myself in the situations is your stand up was so good. I less connect with like the live podcast vibe like till today. Like I don't, I never got it. That's why when my agent or like my network is like, I was like, I don't know what I want to do yet. let's table it because I don't like the live podcast like oh let's sit and we would be fun though but I'm just saying you mean your magic but I'm just saying like whatever but your standup was so

good and I feel like that was kind of was that the transition like okay I'm doing live podcast I'm going to do stand up the beginning and then being like wait I love this part a lot the first time I did stand up was when Caroline's reached out to me to do a live podcast and my friend was like I dare you to do 10 minutes when people don't know is like I had in the past dated standup comics I was working for betches, writing tweets, memes. So we're drawn to it in some way. I never thought I'd be a stand-up. You know, some people like, I'm going to be a stand-up.

I just fell into it because I'm like, wait, I love writing. I love being on camera. Right, because you did, like, your version of memes, you were on Twitter. So I took my tweets and I'm like, some of these are premises, some are punchlines. I did my 10 minutes. And I've had performance anxiety in the past with tennis. I'm, I like, will. You play tennis.

I'll never told anybody. Take a shot. Take a shot if I talk about tennis. I will, oh, isn't that cute when that was the only thing people were annoyed at by me? If you look back and you were like, how did I not appreciate that? Literally. Like, now I feel like it doesn't even offend you, right? You're like, say it.

Say it all the world. Say it all the time. Yeah. So I've cracked under pressure. I fold like a cheap beach chair. But I think when you're doing what you're not meant to do, like the second things are a little hard. You're just like, where when I got on stage, I instantly. I instantly felt like calm.

Like I was talking to my friends at brunch. And I do have to say, Amanda Batula, after she went to, like, one of my early shows pulled me aside and was like, oh, this is what you're meant to do. Because we would always talk about like our mental health stuff and like, we're like too sensitive people in reality TV. Like I take things very personal. I know she does. And she was like, oh, this is your thing. And I'd been doing stand up throughout Summer House, but they chose not to air it. And that's fine, but now, I'm not going to fight anyone about it.

But now I'm, I have time to pursue that. What do you mean? You're touring AF, babe. That's like what do you think of yourself now as a comedian? Because we were talking before. I don't know if you don't want to show this week, cut it. But you did like an audition today for something. You're like doing other shit.

Well, you hosted Bravo. What was it called? Bravo chat room. Oh, yes. Chat room was. So are you a host to? Chat room. I got chat room before somewhere at my final season aired.

right which you have to factor into some things sorry I just have to state the facts but like it was great that Bravo saw me in a different light in terms of like this girl's been podcasting for years and they I also like reality TV is very people laughing at you when like I like to make people laugh I always was like I was very good yeah you're not reality TV but I mean I loved entertaining I loved it but the second like you put me in like a situation

where someone's trying to hurt you I'm like how good it's da-da-da I feel like you need to be a certain type of person for reality TV. I'm also like, I wasn't, Vanderpum people that are doing it for years, like they're 40. I mean, the way they were, just take it. They were like in a huge fight and then just like move on to a new store line. Like nothing happened. Like a fish. Yeah. Smack each other around. And you're too sensitive. I'm also not. You're a pussy. No. I know. I'm also. Yeah. I'm a pussy bitch. And I'm also not good at being like sly like I'm not oh I would be so good at gossiping and having my skill you guys

since I was a baby and this is why I'm your you know gossip queen I would gossip with friends and they'd never now ever to this day I could do that okay but this is a reality show with these microphones everywhere but I'm saying during nobody would know no my thing is like in school I was like the tennis nerd who was like kind of friends with everyone didn't go out on the weekends. I didn't know what it was like to be in friend drama. Like, Paige went to an all-girls school. That bitch knows exactly how to, like, and some people, not page, some people are good

at like being snaky, like being fake to your face and you're like, I'm just like very Labrador retriever where like I just am like, well, stop it. Yeah. Why don't you like me? Okay. And I wasn't, I wasn't nuanced and I wasn't good at being political. I was myself, at least. You know what's so crazy?

is that Luke used to be so hot to me. Like, okay, first of all, this is how way back we go is, first of all, she just told me when my, our mics died before that I, I think you were like the first person I told that I was pregnant because you happened to be over and I was like, fine, I'm pregnant. No, I remember. Oh, you wanted to drink that day. That was what was annoying.

Oh, no, I was pushing you to drink. No, every time I feel like you'd be like, oh, I'm not like a huge drink or whatever. And that day, you were like, whine? And I was like, annoying is this bitch that of all day. And I was like, listen, I haven't told anyone. but I was also there and this is why I think because I had insider info

about your thing with Luke and that I couldn't share right like I wouldn't tell people like no I know that she her and Luke you know had a real thing the screenshots I have like I just had to be like no I know this bitch yeah but I'm saying that I couldn't say right because my commentary wasn't as your friend

was as an observer of the show but like I knew that like what you had was a real thing I knew he was like obsessed with you in a way yes it was like you know he was like friends zoning you at the same time he was like telling you yeah there was a lot of things going on but like i knew it wasn't what people were saying which was like oh he never you know was even into her like it was like no you would like face time him from my apartment and you would after we recorded say like i'm going to luke

like it was a full blown thing and he was so hot to me like i thought he was the hottest thing i was like so happy for you so hot whatever you would be like he's so dumb and we'd be like whatever he's so hot like he's so hot he's not hot to me anymore i wish that man the best i i have like empathy for him yeah i have have well he's not coming back you guys i know that's why it was confirmed and i think he even went on instagram live and said that he wanted to come back but they didn't which like isn't surprising because like he's like either cutting wood or like playing guitar in his room and like you have to like do things it was the kind of thing where he's not even hooking up even though he's hot so like something it he wasn't like giving i love how we look at the

i was like wait i was good right now yeah okay so what are your thoughts oh yeah he was someone that i was really close to and it he chose to lean a type away and do you think he did that because he thought it was like the more popular opinion oh yeah and also like he we were like really close and then he chose to like have a certain kind of storyline like oh I'm gonna basically I was like whatever you do like let's just never embarrass each other yeah and that's kind of like what he went for in my last season I was I was hurt by that and then he kind of just kept leaning into it and like it but actually after the first week and a half we were fine right right you weren't even people make it like it's this huge thing we were totally yeah it was just the beginning where you were like blindsided and that wasn't even real because if you guys remember and go back like him and Sierra weren't really really a thing. She hated his fucking cut. Yeah, the whole time. And it was like, get away from me. Don't text me. So that's why I was confused because I'm like, oh, that's what you're trying to do? Like, you guys see it now?

For anybody who didn't understand and like maybe saw it from a different point of view, like, look back, remember that like when he came in with Sierra and tried to make it seem that was a thing or the show did. Sierra wasn't into him. Wanted nothing to do with him. Luke has amazing taste in women and Sierra has become such an amazing part of my life. Really? It's funny because people were making fun to be so hard for like, like, I actually mad at me for coming on too strong with trying to make Sierra like

I remember that. That's what I'm saying? I go, dude, should I come in and be like, ugh, he the fuck of you? I know, but that's the thing that's so wild. People also don't know that she's pulling me aside being like, yo, I have tea to tell you and we were laughing. We're talking about cats. Like, she's, like, we cried. She loved

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based on who knows but like I might when we're really hanging you wanted to though you could go I don't like you're not I don't know I don't know I mean no I definitely have like a great relationship with Bravo I love Bravo yeah so with Bravo you're cool yeah it was just like certain people I don't I personally like I haven't I've just been kind of doing me but if page invited you to a party technically I'd be like oh this is a trap I'd be like this is a fucking trap. I mean, it would be a really good rating for Bravo. I'd be like, okay, who's, yeah, I'd be scared. I also think that there's been like a lot of, yeah, just been a lot of, I feel like the beautiful thing about reality TV is you can make mistakes

and you like, and you like, and you burn and then you like come back like a Phoenix. Like, it's all this beautiful. It's a storyline. It's a story. It's a story. And I, for whatever reason, was chosen to not have a story. I just kind of burned. And I had to kind of just accept. And I had to kind of just accept that. But now you're on a whole new path, giving fucking career talks. Like, who is she? What is this? Ted, are you listening? Ted, I'm coming for you. No, I love talking to young girls in their 20s because I still remember it so vividly. And I was a five seconds ago. It was three seconds ago. No, but I was like fucking lost in my 20s. I was doing cold calling sales, marketing. And I was one of those people who like always dreamed of doing what we do now, but never thought I commoditize it. And you were

still going for it in like your different ways like betches and well betches at 25 i quit all my jobs and started working for betches 300 a week and that was when i found alignment and i like to kind of talk to younger women being like what do you really want to do and start it now because by your 30s you should know what brings you joy and for me i had a lot of voices in my head that i was trying to impress and defining what your idea of success is and i think that's also what my idea of success is waking up and not being sad. I know it's like really simple, but when you have that perspective in life, things start to just fall in place because you're not so hyper-fixated on results and you start to just

be like how to, because once you, it's really like from the inside out that you get things and do things and experience things. It's so weird because I feel like my idea of success is being able to do what I love and know that I'm making some sort of income from it. But I have to tell you that no matter what kind of deal I make and what kind of amount of money it is, I almost feel like I need to go to therapy for it because it doesn't mean anything to me. The money as much as of course like you could, you know, get nicer things or whatever. It's like, I tell my husband's, I'm like, why do I see this number and I'm not like more excited. Yeah. Because that's not why I do it. I feel exactly the same way. I've always, I've always been a chaser of like, yeah, like wanting to be. successful living up to my potential but also like being happy and I just always knew like the money will come but don't worry about it and I also feel like more money more problems some shit like I'm not trying to get a private jet you know like I don't need a private

let me just like fly I also have this you have this weird fear that like if you start spending money you'll just turn into like an NBA player who became bankrupt you know that I always tell it to my husband as a joke I'm like let's just like NBA player this shit yeah and I just I just say that because they like don't get money managers and you're like, how did he burn $50 million? No, because I'll tell you what. And I think like buying one nice AC unit is going to turn me into. No, because I'll tell you what. I think the fear comes from because some of the money that you make in this industry doesn't make sense, right?

It's like more than you should probably make for this thing. And you're like, so like then technically you could understand the NBA players for treating it like with less value because you're like. As you make more money, you raise your expenses. you start spending more money and then if things get out of control and you start losing money, you already have all these expenses from, you know, a boat and like the car and then all the prostitutes. And next thing you know. Next thing you know. I'm like picturing us. But I also just went to L.A. I was and I was learning about like abundancy theory where like everything is enough. What do you went to L.A. for an abundancy theory conference? No, I was once I went to L.A. for a

week and I talked to L.A. people and they're very woo-woo about this. Like if you hold onto money too tight, it'll want to run away. Oh, you went to LA to be a podcast to or do a bunch of podcasts. Yes. I am slutty. I love that, like, because the voice that I have in my head for being a podcast or is just hearing Kyle be like, and then she goes in a bunch of podcasts

and I can't believe that like, she don't care. She keeps going on podcasts. I'm a podcaster. I'm literally a podcaster. She never had to do like, wait, I go on podcasts. I literally do two to three podcasts a day. It's exhaust. I know.

But I, it does help me with comedy in terms of like crowd work and being quick. And sometimes I'll tell a story that I'm like, ooh, that's good for my job. And also it's my excuse to have a coffee date while creating content. Don't say creating content. Sorry, I'm a content. No, baby. You're a TikTok right now. Let's talk about it.

Don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. Stop, why you blew up. What's happening on TikTok? You're so good at it? I'm, I just love TikTok. I think I'm in a Gen Z. It's just not good.

Like one Gen Z comments like, like, ha ha. And I'm like, I'm in. I'm not wait, but you blew up on, like, you're, you're, you're, I'm going to tell you what I did with TikTok. I decided Instagram was kind of like toxic for me a little bit. And also Instagram is where you like post photos of yourself and I never really love posting photos on myself. I didn't want to post about my relationship because I just felt like I wanted to protect it a little bit. So next thing you know, I'm just posting on TikTok and no one knows who I am. And I was like, wait, this is they're all like fancy and they didn't watch them around. Yeah. And the way TikTok works is you post and it just goes to anyone. And then based on their engagement, they keep pushing it more. And, if a lot of people engage with it. So I was posting no one knew I was the girl from Summer House. They just thought I was a comedian. And I started to love this, like, safe place.

And I started posting two to three times a day. And in six months, I grew, like, half a million followers. And I'll, like, get recognized by Jen Z's in the street. And it's not good for my ego. Wait, it's not good. Two to three times a day, was this, like, a plan in your head? Like, okay, I'm going to be consistent. Really?

I'm pretty fucking, like, goal-oriented with, like strategy like I don't just post to post I'm like I want to post two three videos I'll post a podcast vid a stand up clip me just saying something to the camera because I just I saw other people blowing up on it and I said I can do that too I'll talk to you about it after I have plans for your TikTok no I'm not TikToking okay tweet your own but you're TikToking I'm not green screening I'm not dancing that's like TikTok from two years ago oh my God wait you just said and and and I knew we were going to like you know be all over the place not get to a lot of things I forget you're married you're fucking married I forget I'm married are you married

same husband makes me feel gross as fuck I know like when I'm hanging out with my like crazy single friends I'm like my husband me and my husband yeah we had a long day yesterday but how does it feel I honestly feel like a real secureness that I've never felt before so it's still really good yeah I'm like obsessed with him it's really gross really yeah I love him so much that's so cute you're grossed out yeah because our like we've been through like the hardest like we went through fucking hard times think about it you fall in love of the sky six months in your reality TV show airs and you're like people love me on summer house don't worry I'm like don't just me and page shooting the shit people like oh they're so funny don't worry and then it's like

I'm crying every fucking night I'm having panic attacks I'm fucking fighting with people I'm fucking on podcast trying to like save my like character I'm fucking all like I've it was the worst time of my life he was there he was there and then it got to a point where like then we things kind of settled down and we it felt like we were in a war and then like found each other again and we were like can we like have fun can we like just be there for each other now yeah and now I think we don't take for granted a day that like is just simple and easy and I think he saw me through like fucked up times and I used to always be just the chill cool girl my needs are not important whatever he wants and with him I was just falling apart and he

he saw me and I also this is going to get a little deep but I was so upset and I felt like oh these people are like my career is not going well right now why would he love me and he's like that makes no sense and I'm like my whole life like when I'd win people love me more like when I when I do on school people love me more that's just the math in my head like why would you want to be with someone like this right now yeah and he's like that's something you have to work on within you like you need to be happy with yourself despite like a year that went bad in your career of entertainment he goes buckle up entertainment's a wild ride and he has a hundred so he's been through it literally yeah he remembers the dinosaurs and but he has this wide

to him that is annoying sometimes because he's like tough love like knows what to say yeah and sometimes it's like I wish you didn't know the answer to a lot of things but he does and he's really really good for me and he calls me out of my shit but he's also like just so supportive oh I love that he's a good he's a good one so is he touring here or does he only tour in so he was touring in Ireland like for three months before our wedding it was kind of hot I was like who am I marrying this long distance boy I felt like he was like a mail order bride like come back we're getting married and he's going to do some more stuff in america and yeah he has like some exciting stuff he's working on too but I also told him I was like I want to be a sugar mama I want you

to relax play golf take care of the kids I will work wait so do you want kids I think you told me yes like before you were dating des did I yeah I think when I told you I was pregnant you were like I really like they you wanted that like even though it looked like on the show that you were like still single and like seeing random people yeah you were you did feel like you wanted to have a serious relationship I always envisioned a family I think I was lucky to have like two parents who like still love each other had a you know a boy and a girl and I had that idea in my head but I was never like I'm a mom like you know Kylie Jenner's like I thought it's been a mom I never felt that.

She literally came out of women like... Highly Jenner at 15 was literally like I want to be a mom. And then at 16. I do have to say, and I'm going to suck your dick again, but you're very inspiring because my biggest fear... You didn't suck my dick enough, by the way. So please start. I mean, you're glowing up.

Sorry, I'm not your gradation. No, just kidding. But I feel like my biggest fear of having a kid, especially because touring is like my business is that it'll like fuck up my career. a little bit. But then, like, I went to a psychic and she's like, don't worry, like, you're just going to love the kid. That's the only thing you're going to care about. And I'm like, no, no, no, that's not what I want. Like, that means like you're saying I'm going to fail. But seeing your career actually, like, low-key sore after having a kid is super. And I'm not

trying to tell women they have to have it all because I think that's super toxic positivity. But to see you have a child and I have a lot of questions for you about the experience, but like you've been able to excel as a mom. It's wild. One of my fears was, I mean, I think my husband wanted to have a kid before me and I think I had like all these things I wanted to be set.

I wanted financial security, but like who knows at what level? Like what do you mean? Like I could buy diapers always, right? But it's like what did I mean? I think I wanted a certain level of like finances to be like sorted out. I wanted my mental health to be good because you're not going to have a baby when you're like off your meds.

and your anxiety is through the rope. So I want it. That was super important to me. And I think the third thing was I'm not where I'm at in my career. You know, so how am I going to start this? You feel like you're sabotaging yourself. But do you guys know? So this is why.

So, okay, I have to be honest. And just so you know that I'm the real dumb bitch that you think I am, I am her. The self-talk that I would do to myself was all these actresses had kids and still, you know, did. got movies and like went to the all these singers had kids all these reality TVs like people you see that you look up to have kids it's not like all the people I look up to are single and it's like somehow people are doing the things and they're having a kid so I think I had to know that but also say finances are fine mental health is good I'm not going to like wait to for this yeah so I also these mega celebrities have like full teams but but I know it's true but I like to not think of that I don't have have a team. I'm like they have a house manager, a morning manager, a morning.

Yeah, yeah. But I think it wasn't only celebs. I'm giving that example, but it was just knowing that people that I could think of people that were doing what they wanted to do

and they had a kid. They happened to have a kid. And I also promised myself in my head. I was like, I'm going to be the same bitch. Like I'm going to watch reality TV. I'm going to be on my phone and I'm going to have a baby.

Like, it'll be fine. And it was one of those things where I literally followed suit with what I thought. Like it was a natural. but it was literally that like I had a baby but I was still doing my shit until this day because I told you people asked me like when did you make it or like when did you feel like and I'm like I could tell you when I started making money I started making money when Noah was born and I know the date because Noah was born in that day like when no was born Hannah the day after was like my first like email from an agency where it like became kind of like you got a paycheck like I got a paycheck so how wild is that and like if that's a coincidence if that's this if that's that but Like, I know in my head the date, I know when I started, and that's May 2016, and I know when I first made money, and that's August 2020, four years of doing this

with full stamina. It's almost like you did the heavy labor to now, like, have a flow. Yeah. And have a system. It's funny you mentioned, because you look at female standups, and it's like, Whitney Cummings, no kid. Nikki Glazer, no kid. I mean, Taylor Thompson's young.

No kid. Amy Schumer just had a kid. But before that, when she grew up, no kid. Chelsea Handler, no kid. Chelsea Handler, no kid. Like, there's a theme. I mean, Ali Wong, pregnant when she grew up. Right.

But I, because stand up is like a lot of traveling and touring. Right. So you get a little nervous. But also it's like, who knows the technology? Also, like, okay, I don't tour for two years and stuff. But do you think becoming a mom has made you a better almost entrepreneur because of, has it affected your mental health at all? because you don't care about yourself as much?

First of all, I think situationally, yes. I think hard times that I went through, I look at Noah and I'm like, that's what matters. Yeah. So, of course. But even like small situations, like on a plain turbulence, if I was by myself, I'd be like, I'm going to die. Because Noah's there.

I look at him and I'm like, it's okay, baby. It's okay. So I think that in a moment, yes, and also in the grand scheme of things, yes, because I look at hardship that I went through, like since he was born and I'm like, wait, if I didn't have Noah,

I would literally, I don't know what I would do. Like I would, because yeah, in a sense, you do have to be strong for them. But I won't say I succeeded because of Noah or I was,

it's like MGK. Let's bring it back for a circle. I've been here the whole time. You know, I've been here like I didn't, and this is maybe my hate with TikTok. It's like, I didn't blow up on TikTok overnight.

And not you. I'm talking about people that just do TikTok. But it's like, it's not like, oh, No, people will literally get half a million followers in like three days. Right. So it's like, no.

It's like that's why when people, if people say like you said like, oh, like did you see? No, no. For me, it's not like I believe it's the most gradual growth ever. I mean, I've been doing this for since 2016. So I can't look at it like that. You're not that bitch who, no offense to people who are who's like new someone who got them into something or like, dad and mom had a lot of money and put you into this like you fucking like came from the bottom now we're here came from the bottom now we're here and I'm obsessed with that also we both have like mail art or husbands if you think about it we do and also I just want to say one thing about our glow up before we go because we could do this forever I think the one thing we shouldn't do and we've done it but I think it's not us okay what do we do the nails we had a nail era no we need to just not do you like this better yes i think it's more you think i was going too hard with the nails i think

i think it's not us the thing is i was at first was a joke because i was like copying page and then my nails you're doing for content then fine i was doing for content but it i literally talk about it's bad for feminism you can't even like pick up a penny you can't even brush your own hair literally like you know how i always make fun of celebrities that like pat their makeup in yeah i realize it because like if you have nails you're making makeup and your lotion will get stuck like so much shit is inside you have avocado oh it's disgusting the germ that's how covid was created under some girl's nail i'm telling you i feel like we're short nail bitches i'm a short nail bitch is i'm a sure now bitch have you ever seen kiley jenner's makeup

artist he's incredibly talented makeup aerial longest nails i don't know how he does it how do you even i can't even do a cat i normally i saw an influencer today that i like get nails and i was like she's changed i just feel like nails yeah like i feel like we could glow up all we want, but I feel like, let's leave nails to the other bitches. I do have to say, you're not promising it to me. I do have to say there is a wage gap already. And like spending $200 on nails a month

is like excessive. It's really a lot. And then you also like the second they start looking back, you have to find time. So here's a thing about the long nails. Like with regular gel, right? You could just like peel it off, whatever. With these like built nails that I've succumbed to doing

once or twice is that the minutes are it's tipping, you have to go to the girl. You have to pay the $100 because you can't cancel your plans. Cancel your plans immediately. Cancel your day. It's like a whole thing. You're right. Yeah. I also growing up as do you know I play tennis growing up as a tennis player. I always kept it short because like you don't want dirty nails. And like I'm sorry. I want to eat tacos. I want to get messy. I want to eat ribs. And you can't do that. No. And like not smell like a rib. No. For two weeks after. No. I feel like can we make a promise? A pack to me and you? Yeah. What is yours right now? Those are just like natural. Don't with my short nails. Like I feel like I was doing those oval shits. We were kind of trying hard. We were try hard.

We were, we know what it is, though? This is it. I have huge palms and nubs. I have nubby fingers. So I was trying to elongate the nail to make my hands look longer. But also I don't need to be a fucking basketball player. You don't need longer fingers. It says Paige makes insecure because she has like supermodel long finger.

Literally pages like can we normalize chubby nubs? They're so cute. Honestly, wait, let me see who has bigger hand. How are you? No, we have the same. We're literally the same hand. And I'm 5-7. Girl, I have hooves.

I have a hum. And I love you. I love you so much. Thank you. Thank you for coming to my new podcast studio that I tried out on you. I'm obsessed with it. The energy is good. So Hannah Burner, you guys.

Is it Hannah Burner on TikTok too? Oh, my God. I'm promoting you on TikTok. I'm going to throw off. Oh. Go to Hannahburn. com and come to one of my shows. have L.A. coming up. Do you have New York? Giggly squads in New York. You could come by and hang in the green

room. Okay. I have Portland, Tacoma, Chicago, Madison, Wisconsin. And yeah, listen to Giggly Squad and Burning and Hell. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Hannah. Until next time. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you next Tuesday.