Not Skinny But Not Fat - Talk is cheap w/ RHONJ's Jackie Goldschneider

Episode Date: March 23, 2021

Jackie Goldschneider from the Real Housewives of New Jersey joins me to talk about this wild season of RHONJ, her beef with Teresa, rumors about a cast shake up, and how she stays positive. Support the show by supporting our sponsors!Woo: Head over to WOOMorePlay.com/discount/NOTSKINNY for 20% OFF your order of WOO.Noom: There's a science to getting healthier. It's called Noom. Sign up for your trial today at noom.com/NOTSKINNY. Stitch Fix: Get your wardrobe refresh today at StitchFix.com/notskinny and you’ll get 25% off when you keep everything in your Fix! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay, you guys, I'm so excited for you to hear my interview with Jackie Goldschnider. We obviously talk about, you know, from Real Houses of New Jersey. We obviously talk about all our drama with Teresa this season. And I mean, that's basically, this season has been mostly about that, you know, little vicious rumor that Teresa spread. Oh, she didn't spread. She just told it to people. Oh, just because she cares about.

Yeah. Okay. No, I'm sorry, Teresa. I'm secretly scared of you. No, but actually, you guys, I'm such a fraud bravaholic because I legit only watch Real Housewives of New Jersey and Real Housewives of New York. I think because of where I freaking live, which is obviously New York. I'm so bad at binging that, you know, I heard Potomac is so good and I heard Dallas is so good

and I heard Atlanta is so good. But that would mean for me starting from Season 1, Episode 1, and that would be a lot. That would be like a lot. but I'm also super busy, was super busy with the Bachelor season of Matt James. Oh my God, you guys. What a freaking finale we had. So there was two parts. There was the finale and then there was after the final rose, which is ATFR, which

your dumb bitch host was like, why are they calling it after? Why are they spelling after wrong? No, bitch. It's the accurate. him for after the final rose anyway so we'll get to the after the final rose in a second but the finale so a lot of people thought i was like pissed him at james because of the after the final rose no it was the finale that pissed me off why because i'm an old-fashioned bitch like i want the engagement at the end so does chris arison which like okay no one you know cares about what he wants anymore. But literally, let me sum it up for you. Matt's mom comes and listen, don't I know the bond

with your mom when it's, you know, a single mom that raised you mostly by herself. But the mom was like actually really nice to the girls and was down with them and whatever. But the mom just told him like one really generic line of, you know, love is a fickle or love is not everything. And then Matt goes into this spiral of emotions. And it's like, love it. What is wrong with you? Like, did you, are you three? Like, what did you think? Or what I'm thinking happened is that he really wrote on that to get away with not proposing at the end of this. Because how nice is it to be single at the end with Tyler C. hitting on chicks, you know? Like, and who thought from the beginning that Tyler C's bunk bed

roommate wants to get married and have babies. I want people on the show who want to get married and have babies a la Lauren Burnham and Ari. That's my shit. I don't care. I want marriage and I want babies. Call me old fashion. Call me conservative. That's what the show is about. It's not let's get Instagram followers and date and breakup. What? Why would I invest so much of myself in a whole season for a couple not to even end up together. And if you're not getting engaged, even, because couples that get engaged barely get married. So you think couples that leave together dating will get fucking married? What are we on Bachelor in fucking Paradise? Like, it makes me super angry that. So that's why I was so angry. I was super angry at the finale because

I do feel like Matt used his mom's little like just love is and everything and literally blew it up. And I feel like Chris Harrison was so over. He was. was like, wow, what your mom said to you really got to you, huh? What the hell was that, you guys? Ah, that pissed me off. But Michelle, you know, broke my freaking heart. She was so broken over there, over Matt breaking up with her. She had those little shirts made of Mr. and Mrs. James. I was dying. And she is so pure, you guys. She is way too good for the franchise. I was, I was getting anxiety when he was breaking her heart and she seemed like it came out of left field and she was so sure they were so in love, except what I don't get and I put this on my

stories, I feel like not that I have much experience anymore in this area, just because I've been with the same person for 10 years. But don't when people get together, don't they like bounce off of each other's feelings like, ooh, he likes me. So I like him or like it. Like how does one person feel in love ready for marriage and babies and the other person's like what's your name like how does that happen and that's what it seems like like michelle was making shirts and having babies and he was like not feeling you but i have to say in mad's events i from the side and if you follow along in my recap said this like i feel like he sees in michel more of a friend and i didn't see the sexual chemistry but we could make the really easy joke that the most sexual chemistry he had on the show was

with his mom. Did you see him caressing her leg with his giant hands up and down, up and down, up and down. And when I say leg, I mean inner thigh. I mean inner thigh, you guys. Anyway, so that was a lot. Then he breaks up with Michelle.

That breaks my freaking heart. Later after the final rose, we find out that Michelle wanted to speak with him again. She wanted clarity. You know what he didn't give her? That fucking chance. So how won't I be mad at Mad James? That he couldn't give Michelle a chance to get her closure. That pissed me off. Then Rachel, who in the finale, is so obsessed with

him, is like, I never felt this way. He is God walking this earth. Okay. Doesn't get a proposal. No more than that. Not only does she not get a proposal. She doesn't get her day date. She doesn't get her freaking day date that she was promised. Okay. She gets a Chris Harrison just sliding on on her door. Yes, in a very creepy way, you guys. And telling her that Matt needs time. I would walk. I have said this before. My ego is a way too large to go on The Bachelor. And I weigh too much for the run and jump.

But, and there's so many other reasons that I can't go on the Bachelor. But one of them is my ego is way too big. I could not. If they were like a man to Matt, it's not coming. I'd be like, fuck it. There would be like, beep, beep, beep, beep. I'd be Victoria.

I'd be Queen Victoria when she loved and she's like, yeah, I'm too good for you. I'm a joy. That would be me. Queen Victoria. I'm trying to get her on the pod. I know a lot of people don't feel the same way. Some people thought she was being a bully. But she was my source of entertainment for this season. And we needed that in this season. You guys, we hear so much in our lives about weight loss, about getting healthy, getting fit, how to do it. What's right? What's good? There's so much out

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N-O-O-O-M dot com slash not skinny and sign up for your trial. So the finale ends with Matt being like, sorry, no day date for you. Like, oh my God, imagine you're in Nemakolin. You're alone in that fucking room. You got all dressed up. You did your hair. You did your cat eyeliner. And then they're like, bang.

And you hang out with the producer. all day and I don't know what the fuck you do. But then literally they still made him do the Neil Lane like sit down where he like looks at the ring longingly. Then I think he even goes with the box, the ring in his pocket. And I think I even saw Rachel eyeing it. And of course Chris Harrison has to do the thing of like, do you know what you're going to do. And he's like, no, I'll feel it out. Like, oh, please, you know what you're going to do. And that's not propose and pretend that it's because your mom said that love is fickle. But Rachel's down.

She's like, okay, that's fine. So that's what I was pissed about. I was pissed about yet another season ending in the non-traditional bachelor way, which has become the freaking norm. And then, you know, I did see the spoilers, IRL, that they broke up, even though I don't like spoiling. So I didn't tell anybody that I saw that. But I saw the spoilers from the beginning that Rachel wins.

And I saw the spoilers that they're no longer together. and obviously we could have assumed that it was because of everything going on with Rachel and her racist pass and, you know, going to the antebellum themed party and everything else that was floating around the internet. And at the after the final row, yes, I have to think about it every time I say you guys because I'm like, something's wrong with me. Oh, first of all, loved Emmanuel Echo. And I think that he spoke so well on this, a very sensitive subject. And you know what? Even if Chris Harrison was a, put aside, I feel like he couldn't have navigated that conversation as well just by him being white. I think Emmanuel did such a good job. Even in those tight clothes, he did really, really good. And I think that when he said to Rachel things that I felt like maybe Matt, you know, if Matt said those things, it would feel really nice for her, not that he has to. But Emmanuel said that there's a difference that he likes to distinguish between being racist or being racially ignorant, which he thinks Rachel was by going to that party by not knowing what it means and,

you know, how awful celebrating something like that is. And it seemed like Matt, who didn't say anything, you guys, Matt literally did awkward pauses, like 17 minutes of awkward pauses, which in retrospect, Emmanuel posted to his Instagram that he had Rachel sit across. Michelle and talk it out because Michelle was super heard by Rachel and we didn't get to see that but we got to see Matt's beard and his long

ass pauses. So the same way he wouldn't give Michelle a time to speak after he let her go on the season. Emmanuel was like, how about you and Rachel hug and he wouldn't hugger, which again, his prerogative, he's super hurt by her

and I feel like you guys there may have been more behind the scenes that we don't know because his her public apology obviously wasn't enough for him. And not only is he saying, listen, which makes sense, I can't be with you because I'm a black man. And obviously from your past, you don't get what that means and how am I going to raise babies with you.

You have a lot more work to do. And I don't want to be around for that work. He wouldn't really even let her hold his hand. Or like I said, Emmanuel was like one last embrace. And he was like, not into it. And she was like, I just want to be near you. So I think, yes, I know a lot of people feel very strongly about this. That Matt, you know, obviously is so hurt by her.

And he cannot forgive her and he cannot move on. He cannot be with someone that doesn't get it. And you know what? What do you mean cannot? He can not want to be with someone that doesn't get it. That is his freaking prerogative and his right. I think I personally wish I heard more. from him. But it did feel like he was alluding to maybe Rachel not getting it at the

beginning and him having to like really explain. And maybe, you know, behind the scenes wasn't exactly, you know, what she was putting forth on our social media. But anyway, another bachelor season ended with nothing. Do we even care that Clarendale are back together? Because they are. They're like kissing on the streets with their masks because they're tools. But we also got two Bachelrette's announced Katie and Michelle. I'm super excited about Michelle. I think from what I understand the reason there are two bachelrette is because Michelle wants to wait till the summer to film because she is a teacher, which is so freaking cute. So I wonder if that's the sole reason they decided to bring Katie in and do two freaking bacheloretts. Also, Chris Harrison is still being

aside. They're not calling it fired. He's still being stepped aside. And we heard that Caitlin Bristow and Tatia are going to be not hosting, but supporting the bachelorette's, which is such a weird thing. What is going on? Like, why aren't they calling it hosting? But then Caitlin Bristow did questions on her Instagram and she said, I don't get why people are thinking it's hosting. It's not. It's supporting. And she kind of explained that it would be like helping Katie. Like she would be helping Katie make a decision. So it seems like and sounds like Caitlin is helping Katie and Tatia is helping Michelle. So the white girl, having the white girl and the black girl helping the black girl.

I don't know. I think ABC is really trying, but let's see how that rolls the frick out. Because Bachelor Nation is still under hot water. That's how I feel. Anyway, you guys, so much more happening in our celeb world, which obviously you can always follow along on my Instagram for all of that news. We have the Kardashians, keeping up with the Kardashians, final season is out. We have Cravis, you know, new pap photos of them hugging, which, you know, warns my freaking heart. We have Emrata, who gave birth, which is such a big discussion on my Instagram now.

She gave birth to Sylvester Apollo Bear. And it was funny to me because she did a whole Vogue or New York Times expose on how she is going to have their, her child reveal their own gender at 18. So, bitch, doesn't work that way. They don't only find out at 18. and second of all, pretty sure you named him a really masculine name and pretty sure it's a boy. Anyway, you guys, I am excited for you to hear my interview with Jackie.

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She's coming. It's an encore. It's an encore of Jackie Goldinider, my favorite, and I'm allowed to say that, a real housewife of New Jersey. I am so excited to be back. you. I love your Instagram. It's like my favorite thing, watching your baby. You're watching it. Noah, by Amanda. Like you're, you're, no, I love you too. But he just reminds me of when my boys were babies. And, oh, my God, I miss it so much. I, when you were on, I wasn't even

pregnant yet. And you, I won't even forget, you're the one. And this is a line I still quote till today, because we talked about on our first episode, which go listen to it. You guys, if you want to hear Jackie after her first season on New Jersey. You told me all about living in the city. Mm-hmm. And you were in the city still with your first set of twins. Yes. Mm-hmm.

And it was crazy. Oh, my God. We had stuff all over the apartment. I remember you put it in my head because you were like, Amanda, like we realized one day, like I was lugging the stroller in the elevator, out of the elevator. Like, we weren't even taking advantage of the city anymore. And that's why you moved to New Jersey. you were like, we're not even going, we go to the same dinner spot.

Like, I remember what you said so clearly. It, like, replayed in my head. It was like a two block radius. We would go to the supermarket, the Italian restaurant across the street, the gym around the corner, and like back home. And that was it. And then you were like, and I realized like you want more space. Obviously, you have a lot of space now. Yeah.

And you have two sets of twins, which again, I was so in a different mind space then. Then I was like, oh, two sets of twins. Now I'm like, how did, how does she do it? Oh, my God. And Amanda, they're being bar mitzvahed in two weeks. I can't believe it. It all goes so fast. Wait, how does it work? So fast. Burb, because you have a boy and a girl that are twins. No, no. My older two are two boys. It's called the B'nai Mitzvah. Yeah. So we're doing it in the house because, you know, COVID. But it's still, like, I just can't believe it. That's why I try not to dwell on, like, any momentary, like, drama or anything.

because I know the big picture and I know life goes fast and like I just want to concentrate on the happy moments with my family. Yeah. Yeah. And that and your family is so beautiful. And you get a lot of love from like Bravo, which I'm so I was a Jackie Stan from the beginning as you know. But so many people love you and love your family. Evan gets a lot of like hottest Bravo husband. Yeah. Uh-huh. Does that like flatter you or you like, oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean it's, you know, the, The negative voices are very loud, so it's hard to, and I am a sensitive person. I mean, I think everybody knows that. So the negative voices are very loud, so I try not to let them in as much, but I do know

that I get so much love and have so many amazing fans and I get so many great compliments. And Evan, too. And we know that. And at the end of the day, we do know that. And we appreciate it so much. And he does love it. Yeah. And he loves being like the hot.

Yeah. He gets a lot of good me. He gets a lot of good news. So we have to talk about what happened at the beginning of the season, which I was so upset. I watched live for you last night, which doesn't happen. People that listen to me know that I usually record so I cannot watch commercials. Sorry. But, and I watched live last night and you, I didn't see you in the episode last night because

it was Teresa's pool party. And that pissed me off, kind of. No, it's, I mean, that was okay. I mean, listen, my thing with the show is that I love being a part of the show, but I am always going to be authentically me. And I don't just do things so that there is, you know, some good draw. I mean, I'm going to be myself. And I was not going to put myself in a situation where I was showing up, especially with my husband, to the home of somebody who just spread a vicious rumor about my family. Like, that just doesn't make any sense. So I was okay not being a part of

last night's episode because that's authentically, I knew that would happen if I didn't go. So I'm not upset about it. It's so wild because people don't get sometimes how reality TV works. And I know you can't say it, but I will. Reality TV a lot of times I love believing every second is real too and isn't that everyone's actually friends and they actually were having a pro-pot. But a lot of these things are made for the show. And then, you know, a lot of people, when you're not going, you know, you're not going to be part of it. And you're so right. Because if you went, that's what it would have been. And it was a conscious decision that you made to not put yourself in that situation, which totally. make sense and you crack me up with your live tweeting I just posted where you said about Teresa saying she would have drowned did you? Yeah, I mean it's just

I mean, first of all, I don't I don't really think that's okay but you know, whatever. Yeah, like it's a lot of like you can laugh about it because again it's she said drowned it but I mean she's a New York Times best selling author of two books.

But again, you remain like above it to me. Like that's how I feel. I think you remain above it. And like I said, it's so easy to go. You could have gone to Lake George. You could have gone to the party. You chose to not go, which you knew would mean not being on that episode or in those scenes. Again, you're doing what's best for you and your family.

I will just say that I don't skip anything else the rest of the season. Yay. Yeah. Yay. No, we miss you. I mean, and you know what I like to see, Jackie? It really warmed my heart. And I want to know if you felt the same way. When that episode aired where you were having Evans birthday and Teresa, you know, went around with the rumor. No one went with her. No one. No one. No one. I mean, the irony is that like you're taking the most stable and beautiful marriage on the show and trying to crumble it when behind closed doors, there's. so much like disaster going on with other people and like it's just so ironic and silly but no one believed it everyone knows evan the one thing i'll say is that when i did the redo party okay so i just wanted Evan was really upset about this rumor because he's a good guy and like we just like his family watches his friends watch and like we were after the episode four where i did

the redo party we let it go but like when i was going around telling people can you just let him know that like you know it's not. It wasn't like that I was trying to get people to say something they didn't believe. I just wanted him to feel reassured because in reality, when we go home and there's no cameras and we close the door, if Evan doesn't want to be a part of the show, I can't be a part of this show. So unless he's comfortable on it, I can't be on it. And I did want to stay on it. So part of that was getting to my husband to a place where he felt comfortable. And that was my one night to do it. And I think in the edit, the things. look like a little silly. But, you know, my intention was just to get him back to a good place. And we did ultimately do that. So, you know, mission accomplished. Did you, does it, did it feel to you like Evan was like, wait, this is now, you know, like you said, he's, he's in finance. Was he getting to a place where if this hurts like my reputation and my work? Like, were you scared that he wouldn't be down with doing it because of this? Yeah. I mean, not just because of that. Like our kids did catch on. My friends and their kids watched the show together. We were nervous about what they were

going to hear. They did see us fighting in the house. The reason we were fighting, and the reason I was so upset is because it hurts someone I love so much. That's the reason I was upset. So anyone who says, oh, you were so upset, there must be some truth to it, not at all. Like the same reason that you know, Teresa was upset about, gee, even though that wasn't true. You know, like, you're upset when somebody that you love is hurt by something. Of course you are. So, you know, like, We knew that a lot of people were going to see this. And like he said, even when there's no truth to it, you know, like 20% of people are like, you know, oh, what did he do? You know, and that's just uncomfortable, especially when you're a good person.

And like, I mean, honestly, we live in a small town. He goes to a small gym. Whether one person, two person, four people heard it and repeat it. Like, if there's, if there was anything happening, like, there would be a receipt. There would be a person who snapped. picture you know like there is just nothing so like unless you have something i feel like on a reality show like just shut the fuck up you know yeah that's what they said too and i i i went when when when they were saying this about evan and i was like oh my god for sure not what i say about

my husband which they're like the same kind of breed is like i can see him doing something in front of me and be like he's not though like you know like it's one of those things where maybe people don't get it that aren't in like you said a stable great knock on wood i'm doing I have to like knock on what marriage is that like you trust the person no matter what and it's not one of these like oh my god did you hear this it's like no that didn't happen point period like I trust him with my eyes closed so right and that's why I also didn't get so bothered about what Joe B said even though I do you'll see that I do when I find out about I get a little bit upset but just because I didn't want anyone spreading anything that wasn't true but I don't

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which are my favorite and just check out all their products actually and you'll keep coming back for more. So who am I going to believe? I'm going to believe Teresa, you know, who's known me for five minutes? What's so crazy about that is that when she was at the party, like I said, I loved seeing that nobody, nobody was like, oh, like let me hear this or, you know, everyone seemed to be on your side with it, not even the girls that are closer to her, you know, were instigating. So I really like to see women on the show stick up for you and not get in that, even though it is a reality show, not get in that nitty gritty. Yeah, I did appreciate that and I loved it. And to be honest with you, I did speak to all of them in the time period between, it really was only a week between like the

party and like the second part. Like, and I needed a minute. Like, give me a freaking minute to like process it. But I did. I did speak to all of them privately, like off camera and everyone was very, very supportive. So that's how I knew that like if I brought everyone back together, it would, it would be mission accomplished. No, and I actually found it so funny. I know you were saying that it might have been like a little bit edited or things weren't shown exactly at the second party. A, I was so jealous because you guys got to like be outside and have drinks. And I was like summer like drinks, you know, it just looked so fun.

but you're you making fun of it actually cracked me up when you were like no and then right after that like after that speech like we went home we were in a great mood we decided to like put it to bed like we're done so whoever keeps talking about it it's not me like I want this room done like it keeps going it's not on me like this is not my storyline yeah so again like I said and I'll just say it. A lot of times, you know, on reality shows, storylines, you know, people want to have stories. So things just get kind of and, and you know what, it's not your problem that someone else chose to have that be their storyline. You know what I mean? Because it's, yeah, but I wanted to talk about the coming scenes for next week, which like you alluded to, had the part of Joe, Margaret's

husband, saying at the boys' night that he heard it too. which I'm sure we're going to get clarity on that. So it does keep going. Does this keep going like the whole season or is it going to end June? No, it does eventually end. It does eventually end. And I mean, thank goodness because I don't think I could do a whole season of this. But yeah, next week is very ugly.

I haven't seen the episode yet, but I mean, I was there. Yeah. It is ugly. And it's a shame because I went into that night with such like, in such a good headspace, you know. But you guys will just. I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but, you know, it is a dramatic night. Not just for me. There's other things that go on that night, too.

But it means Teresa do come face to face. Do you have anything else to tell us in terms of what other exciting things that are going to happen this season that we can look forward to? Yeah. I mean, I think the second half of the season is just an entirely different monster than the first half of the season. Monster. And, yeah.

I mean, the second half of the season for me is so much better. and so much lighter. And I think that, yeah, it's more fun. The second half the season is much more fun. I'm super excited. And Jersey is one of my favorite franchises because I live close by. Like, I feel like people like watching.

Do you feel like, do you watch any of the other franchises on Bravo? I do. I watch OC, Dallas, Potomac. I watch everything except Atlanta. The only reason I don't watch Atlanta is because by the time I wanted to watch Atlanta, I felt like I'd be so out of the loop. There was such a history. And, like, I just never felt like I could really catch up in a meaningful way.

So I just never started. And New York, do you watch? Yes, I watch New York, O.C., Beverly Hills, Dallas, Potomac, Salt Lake City. Oh, you started Salt Lake City, too. Oh, my God. Yeah, I loved it. They're so good, but you really, for me, I'm the kind of binger that, like, I have to start from the beginning. Like, I can't just jump in, you know, season five.

A few of them I did jump in. Potomac and O.C. You jumped in? The rest I watched. Yeah, the rest of it. I watched from the beginning. So if you would see yourself in one of the other franchises, like which one would be your number one if you had to, if you had to pick?

I like New York. I mean, I was born in New York. I was born in Brooklyn. I grew up in New York City. I lived in the city. I went to law school there. I was practicing there. So I feel very connected to New York City.

So I definitely think that. And who do you think you would like vibe with? I love Leah. I think I would vibe with Leah. Oh, true, true, yeah. I don't know. I get along great with Luann. Um, who else is on New York right now? Ramona. Sonja. Romona seems nice. Yeah, Sonia seems very nice. I'm sure I'd get along with all of them. I'm actually very easy to get along with. I, I mean, some people think I'm an easy target because I don't get all hot and bothered. So they'll come for me. But, you know, I'm actually like a fun and friendly girl. So I get along with anyone. I know that about you. Do you, okay, so I saw, I saw, I. Instagram that you commented, there was like some, there were rumors going on that there's

going to be a cast shake up. I don't know. One of the like casting people posted that they're looking for like rich, vibrant, affluent. Which they are. Yeah, they look every season. Oh, okay. So, but then, yeah, then kind of rumors started going around that I think Dolores and you would be fired, Melissa would be demoted to front of. With just reading it, I was like, how would they even do that? No, that's the thing about rumors is like, talk is so cheap, you know? And like the truth is that nobody on the cast or nobody in the outside world, nobody knows. Nobody knows this stuff. Things get planted strategically by other people, you know? So I try to pay that stuff, no mind, but it is silly and it is funny. And, you know, it's harder to cast these shows than people think.

You have to have like a lot more than just be like a well-dressed like, you know, pretty girl. Not that I'm saying that about me, but like you have to be more than that. There has to be a lot more. Your whole family has to want to do it in Jersey. You have to have a cute family. You have to have a cute story. You have to have stuff going on. So I think it's harder than people think.

But like, yeah, I mean, I don't, as far as I know, there's no shakeups going on. But, you know, also I don't know that stuff. Yeah. But as far as I've been told, I'm like ready. for next season filming to start. And to me, it seemed, and I feel like a lot of people would agree, that Michelle, the realtor, looked like she was auditioning. She, you know, I was surprised by how little she's actually on camera

because she did film a fair amount. But, you know, I will say about Michelle, I actually really got to like her. I didn't know her super well. But she was actually, she's a strong business woman. And, you know, like, she came in with a lot of drama. So I don't know, you know, what happened, what ended up happening with her. But she's actually a really smart, strong businesswoman. But, yeah, I think she started off really, really wanting to be on the show.

I'm not sure what happened along the way. Yeah, it looks like that just because, and another part of this to me, which annoyed me yesterday. And like I said, I missed you on the last episode was like this drawn out drama of her husband, owing Joe Gorga money. I personally don't care. Do you know what I mean? It was one of those. Yeah.

Watching it, I was like, first of all, tens of thousands of dollars is such a like vague number. And also for like a speaking engagement when you're doing 50-50. And then also like who cares? It kind of felt like a reaching situation of confrontation upon confrontation about this thing. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I agree. The only thing that I took from it, though, was that, you know, Joe went into a conversation with another man and he said to him, listen, you tarnished my name, clear my name. And he said, you know what, man, it was a misunderstanding. And, like, in two seconds, men squash it. In two seconds, like, why do I have to go two months when they squash it in two seconds? I'm like, it's understandable. He said to him in, like, I have a business reputation.

you're ruining my reputation take it back and he was like you know what you're right take it back misunderstanding and like why is it okay for jo to want that and not for me like everyone's like jackie needs to let it go and like but why is it okay for a man to want it but not for me to want it oh my god jacky i didn't even connect those dots that's such a like that's such a parallel perfect parallel like legit dude dude just stop saying that okay dude clear my okay hug want to drink right yes yes Men are so much better. I don't know why women are vicious to each other. I actually hate it.

I wish, I mean, I know the whole world. We all wish, like, you know, women supporting women, isn't that the line that we aspire? That would be true. But yeah, you're right. It was such a situation that, you know, the women were catty about it or in your situation. And then the guys cleared in two seconds. But again, I, for me personally, just in recapping last week's episode, I was like, I don't care about that. But I was like, obviously, Michelle might be coming back next season with her

husband. Going through this, Jackie, like, you're sensitive. You said it yourself, which is such a weird thing. Like, who isn't sensitive? Who's like, I don't care? I don't know. I mean, like, I think everybody is sensitive. It's just some people, it's so, like, they just want to do anything they can to be front and center and look tough and, like, make sure they stay on the show and anything that could get them criticized they don't want to do. But for me, I sort of feel like, well, I love this show and I know that Bravo loves me. And when I stop being who I really am and I pretend that I'm not sensitive, pretending don't hurt me, if they don't like that, they'll let me know. And like, that'll be it. But so far, Bravo, I know that Bravo is happy with me and I know

they love me. So why should I stop being myself? I'm not going to stop being sensitive because I am sensitive you know so obviously i don't agree at all that you know a lot of the women were saying she you know she would don't you want to be told don't you want someone which was such a laughable thing because obviously that wasn't the intention behind spreading the room or it wasn't to like let's say in some wild parallel universe it was out of caring for you and wanting if she came to you and was like hey but filmed and everything it was like jacky i heard this came to me one-on-one Yes. How would you feel about that? I mean, I still probably wouldn't have liked that that's her storyline, but we would have had a conversation.

The problem is that she just wanted to make this a big, huge thing, which is why when we sat down, my intention in going to Margaret's house was I called Margaret and I said, let me talk this out with Teresa before we go to Lake George. I never had any intention of skipping Lake George. It was only after being called to see you next Tuesday 20 times that I was like, you know what, too toxic, not doing it. But, you know, my intention was like to sit down woman to woman. We could have had a hell of an episode, a great little back and forth and then been like, you know what? You know, if you don't have a receipt, don't come to me, you know, don't put this out there. And she could have been like, all right. And I could have been like, but thanks for your concern.

And it would have been done, you know. But that's not what she wanted from the get, though. She wanted to start a war. She wanted to embarrass me, embarrass my family. And it's fine. That's why it didn't end on the couch, you know. I do want to ask because I know, you know, you struggled with some eating disorders in the past. We were so open about that.

I know you helped so many girls. And also during quarantine, you were doing these really cute, like, right? Oh, the morning messages. Yeah. Like, you're such a positive penny and you spread so much light. So, but I watching reality TV can't stop thinking about how much, like, I would be affected like mentally and you know like how do you say how do you make sure your mental health is like good going through all this and even just being on reality TV and watching yourself well first is

when I'm filming I do not put myself in the most toxic of situations so I'm not afraid to tell the producers like I don't feel comfortable with this and I don't want to do it and that's you know like I'm okay with that because I love the show like I said I'm not like living in fear of being let go one day. So I feel like I can do that, you know? And I know that they love me. So I feel like I can do that. The second is, and I talk to Melissa and Margaret all the time and they give me such good advice. And they're like, you know what? You have to separate it. You have to separate the show from your actual daily life. And I keep that in my head. And they've gotten very good at doing that. And I just have to remember like here in my town where I live, I have a

group of girlfriends who are like my heart and soul like I love them I have four healthy beautiful children have a beautiful marriage I have both my parents who I have wonderful relationships with so like I have such a full and wonderful life and I'm writing my first book and like I really have such a full and wonderful life and I have to remember that like to 99% of the world are just a character on a show and they don't really know me so I try to separate it I mean it does get to me sometimes but, you know, I try to remember that, you know, more people are on my side than are not on my side. So it's hard. I won't lie.

It is hard sometimes. But I really do have a full, beautiful life. So I try to just keep that top of mind. And a support system, like you said, your parents and the whole family. So your book, that's so exciting. What is it good? Yeah. What's happening?

So right now, we're just in the proposal phase. So I love, you know that I'm a writer. And like, I love writing. So for me, the opportunity to write. my book, write my own book. I don't know that there's ever been a housewife book that has actually been written by the person, you know, and that's not, listen, if I was building a house, I wouldn't be building it myself. I don't know how to do other stuff, but I know how to write. So for me, I'm just very excited. I love doing this. So the process that the right now, my agent and I are

just perfecting the proposal before we get the book deal. So is it going to be a memoir? I don't want to give anything away, but I do have another book after that that I'm already planning that is going to be just like amazing. And that's with somebody else. But we can't talk about that yet. But this book right now, memoir-ish, but it's not only memoir. And you're doing it all by yourself, like no collaborator on that? No, no how? No, on the first one? No, no. I mean, I love writing. I wouldn't want anybody else to tell my story. It is so wild because we saw on the episode, Margaret was working on her book. And I loved being able to see kind of her working with the ghostwriter.

Also, I love that she was so open about it. Because like you said, if it's not what you do, that doesn't mean it won't be in Margaret's voice. That doesn't mean it won't be her stories. Right. For sure. But I loved seeing it because I've heard also that it's so therapeutic, you know, to tell your story if you're writing it, but also if you're saying, we saw Margaret crying.

but it is a lot of work, like writing a book? It's a ton of work, but I tend to write fast. So I feel like it's, I can't wait until we have the proposal done so that I can really start like cranking it out. I'm excited. I'm excited. Yay. I'm so excited too. And I loved your summer throwback.

You posted today, you and Melissa and all the family. Oh, my goodness. So that was from like the conversation that I had with Melissa last night. where you see me for like two seconds and I tell her like, I'm not going to go was that pool part. We had like all the kids together and our kids love each other.

And Melissa and I are such good friends. And we just had like a great time that day. So we like we called each other yesterday and we're like, oh my God, I can't believe they didn't put it in our pool party because we both looked so cute and we had the best time. And the kids were all over each other.

And so we were like, let's just post a picture today. I got jealous for a second. I was like, where are they? They're in warm weather. No, no, no, no. please I wish I want to go away so badly like the week after my kids bar mitzvah is their spring break. But if we go away, the kids have to quarantine for two weeks. So we can't. It's so hard. I really hope we're hearing the end of this. Did you happen to see, I don't know what your

status is on social media with Teresa, but people were DMing me that she would like put up something pretty cryptic like as if she was getting secretly married or something on the beach. No, we we blocked each other. I don't know if she blocked me, but I had blocked her after that huge fight. And we just never are on block. So I don't follow her. Oh, my God. I mean, listen, whatever doesn't, how does she say, Marie Kondo? Whatever doesn't spark joy. You don't, you don't do it. Now I have to look because I'm super nosy. You know the word yenta? I am the supreme yenta. I'll screenshot it to you and send you. Yes, please. So Jackie, I'm so excited to see the rest of the season, especially you're saying that it gets even wilder, but also gets so much more fun.

Yes. Yes. Oh, yes. Yay, yay, yay. And I can't wait to see more of you. You know I love you. Everyone go follow Jackie Goldschnider. And thank you for coming on, Jackie. Thank you for having me. I love you. I love your stories. Kiss Noah for me. I will. A big slobary one. Yes. All right. Bye. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love. much on Apple podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big

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