Not Skinny But Not Fat - TAYLOR TOMLINSON CAN HAVE IT ALL

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Comedian and late night host Taylor Tomlinson discusses her latest standup special: HAVE IT ALL, being the only woman in late night, her mental health, her dating status, her fear of having kids and more!!!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. First episode back, postpartum, and I'm super excited about this one today because she's hilarious. She's a comedian. She, you know, is open about so many struggles and real shit like mental health and identity. And she's also a late night. host, which is like, go women. Taylor Tomlinson is on the pod today. She's so funny. She's so great. Hope you enjoy this one. Hi, everybody. Taylor, I'm so excited you're here. I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me. I loved your special. Oh, thank you. Have it all. Thank you so much. It's such a genius concept that I could spend a lot of time what we're thinking. Really?

Yeah. Can you have it all? Are we happy when people have it all? Do we want people to not have it all so we can I think you're closer than I am. Because of the kids. Oh, come on. Kids and career. Kids and career. That's what having it all historically means, right? It is like family, career, love.

Yeah. I guess that kind of falls under family. Right. Damn. Okay, bye. Have it all. I guess I'm done. I guess I do have it all.

But, you know, and I always thought of that concept that you talk about in this special as like the circle of life. You know? okay so listen though okay you have like this circle of things that are important like friends family could be a significant other then chill you like it's this whole thing it's not just the two things you know what i mean so sometimes you're like no it's family you're no no no you're right you're right i think because it was only an hour special and it's such again it's not like a concept i made up it's a sex in the city concept if anything they're like can you have it all can you have love and a career but you're right there are so many areas of life that

you can fail or succeed it. Right. Yeah. Because I feel like when you have single friends or a friend that has a great relationship or not succeeding at their job or whatever and you're like, you have all these great other things. Yeah. Like that's the vibe. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I've been guilty of it and I've been on the other side of it, which I talk about in the special. But I mean, can I ask you questions? Sure. Is this your second? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay. Are you going to have more? You just turn 30. I know. I don't know if I I don't know if I want kids anymore. I always really, really wanted them. Did you always really want kids? No, I don't think you have to be that person. Okay. But like, here's my thing. I always knew I would have them, but I wasn't like, okay. I meant to be a mother. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. There's like four of those, I think. And God bless them. Amazing to see. But I always really wanted kids, like thought, of course, I'm going to have them. Yeah. I don't know when, probably my mid-30s. Yeah. And I felt that way up until like, 20s. 28. And then in the last couple years, I've been like, ooh, I don't know that I want to do that.

So I'm always curious to ask other women if they always felt like they really wanted to or were just going to or if they changed their minds. Like I did a show recently where I asked a woman if she always wanted kids and she said, no, I didn't want kids until I was 39. And then I had my kids. Isn't that crazy? I mean, yeah. Like before I got pregnant with my second, I really got everyone that follows me thinking that I'm like a one and done. I don't know how I got that vibe going, but I think I'm so into people like deciding what's good for them. I hate when it's like 2002, do this by the time you're this or it's like no. And also my kid is like super despo. Like he wants company all the time. I'm like, oh my God, he couldn't be a single child. Like it's literally

and I think I've talked to single kids like single children who were like, yeah, I was Single children is so funny. Not only children, single children. Single. I'm like, oh, are you single? I mean, yeah. Oh my God. I guess I single only.

Only. Yeah. I've been saying it wrong my whole life. I have a hard time connecting with only children because I have three siblings. Right. So do you have siblings? I have two. Yeah.

So you have three or four? I'm the first of four. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But only children, I just think they have such a different childhood. Can you always see? tell or you was like oh yeah you're an only child i don't think i can always tell but i think

when people tell you their only children a lot of times i'm like that makes so much sense in a bad way not always in a bad way not always in a bad way like i know people who are only children and weirdly didn't get enough attention and then i know other people who got way too much attention for being only children so i think it can kind of go either way and your siblings are like a huge kind of part of your comedy and like your life right yeah like you talk about them a lot yeah and the special too you mentioned they're all are they all queer yeah all four of us yeah four for four wait are you oh you're in the mix now yeah you weren't sure in this special i know that's why i had to get those jokes out because wait really those jokes for like a few years and then you're like yeah

because i like i met my girlfriend back in september oh you're dating a woman out yeah yeah and i shot the special in november and i was like we kind of got to get these jokes but out otherwise I'm just not gonna do them like because some jokes kind of expire yeah but at least for me being a comic who kind of draws from personal experiences and what's happening in my life I'm like there's only so long that I can do jokes for example like if I'm doing a bunch of single jokes and then I get into a relationship I can't like do those single jokes for another year like we can maybe go another few months but yeah it just won't feel authentic anymore by the time you film the special you were already

dating her we were seeing each other yeah but I was very busy and also in November had mono so like when we first started dating I like I thought she'd never talk to me again because I was like if I can't see somebody for like six weeks they're not going to hang around and she was really great and was like no it's fine we'll just write letters like a lesbian couple no period piece did you do not real letters texting but you know no but it's right to each other have you shared her on your social media and stuff like that? I've posted like one picture in like a dumb. But yeah, I get nervous even to post my siblings. I get nervous to post anybody who's not in entertainment because it's like people are weird and

like even if I post friends and stuff like who are private on Instagram, they'll get weird follow requests, which is so strange. I mean, that's the least of it weird follow. Yeah. Like they could probably get like messages and yeah. But do you have haters? Probably. I'm sure I do. If you had to say that, you don't know if you have haters. I'm sure. Well, I don't pay attention. Really? Yeah, Janie does my social media. She's like, nobody. Do I have haters, Janie?

She's like, nope, all good. I don't think I'm famous enough to have, like, haters. I'm sure that you're super famous. I'm sure people don't like me. But the thing about it is, like, the older I get, I don't know if you feel this way, but like the older I get and the longer I work in entertainment, the more I'm just like, if you don't like me, I get it. Like, I understand.

Like, it doesn't offend you if someone's like, I don't think she's funny. No. Yeah. I'm like, a lot of people do. Yeah. I do sometimes. Yeah. If you don't.

that's fair it's subjective like i don't know maybe i'm getting old and the ambitions just leaving my body but i'm just like if you don't like me it's fine you've had three netflix specials out you're you turn 30 in november that's crazy yeah that's like a huge accomplishment thank and now you're hosting a late night show a late late night show after midnight yes january only women and late night only woman and you have to say it in this voice are you do you hate it i was thinking when i was thinking about the interview, I was like, it must get annoying. Yeah, I mean, look, it's interesting because I did so much press about getting the job before I was actually doing the job. So I got hired for this job in November, but we didn't start filming until January. Lots of things in November.

Lots of things. November was crazy. November sounds crazy. I got this job and Mono the same week. So it was a lot. And then I shot my special two weeks later. It was two weeks later after you recovered from Mono. No, no, no. I was sick for Lano. like I'm still not like a hundred percent as far as like your immune system gets just destroyed so then even after I had like quote unquote recovered from acute mono like EBV is still in your system and it's still fucking with your immune system so then I got like strip and then I got like a bronchial sinus like just yeah it's just been a night yeah yeah it's been a nightmare so I got the job in November and then I was doing press in like December and

January all the while very sick like I was going on and off like antibiotics and steroids to kind of get through it. And anytime I didn't have to do anything, I was just sleeping. And all this press I did, I didn't really know how to talk about it because I hadn't done it yet. So I was sort of just guessing

what it was going to be like. And also, I think people misunderstood the concept of the show. Like, it's a reimagining of at midnight of a show that already existed prior on Comedy Central. So when the show came out, there were people who were like,

we thought this was a talk show. And we're like, we never technically said that. Yeah. But I understand if you only saw headlines and what you think of when someone says late night show is you only think of like Fallon and Colbert and like this traditional sit down. And also it was taking over Corden's spot. Yes, exactly. So they're like, oh, it's probably the same as Corden. So people were kind of confused at

first and I think everybody's got it now. But yeah, the focus of a lot of it was you're the only woman in late night. And I try not to roll my eyes at it because I do think that if I was a young comedy fan, Like if I were 13 and I saw a woman hosting a late night show, I'd be like, holy shit, that's incredible. I never want to make it sound like, oh, it's not a huge deal. Who cares? But I also felt like, I don't know. I didn't want to be answering that question in a way that felt like I thought I was like the first one to ever do. I'm like, Lily Singh had a show of years ago.

Like, you know, Chelsea Lately was on forever. Like, you know, Amber Ruffin had a show. Like tons of people. So the right thing to say is you are the only woman. The only one right now currently, yeah, yeah, that's correct. But that's not a short enough headline, you know. Yeah, you're not the first woman. Right.

But being like, but even that. The new queen of late night, you're like, show's not out yet. I don't know. And you're saying people were thrown off. Did you, did that scare you that people were thrown off? Like, oh, no, they're going to be surprised now and not get it or. No, not really. I mean, I kind of thought it was funny.

We made fun of it on the show because there were people making videos and stuff who were fans of mine who were like CBS fucked Taylor Tomlinson and we're like no no no that's not what happened like I wasn't like demoted yeah yeah yeah different format like this was always what I signed up for and wanted to do and like this show was not built for me specifically like I got a job I'm part of a team yeah it's making the show and the team in place was full of such lovely amazing talented people that I wanted to be a part of it but like this isn't a show that was written structured or created for me yeah you know but getting it is a huge deal of course yeah yeah how excited were you when that happened i was really excited i was taking meetings with them at first

not thinking i was going to be able to do it because i love touring and i love stand-up more than anything and i was doing my dream job which was touring theaters and most traditional late-night shows film monday through friday so i was like well i can't do that in tour so i'm not going to and when we found out that the schedule was Monday through Wednesday and that you could in theory tour on the weekends and still come back and do this show. I was like, okay. When you say in theory, you mean because it's really hard. It's not easy. Yeah. You can. Yeah. And I am. Is it do you film at night or during the day? Wednesday is a long day. Wednesday we're done at like 10 p.m. But from like 11 a.m. to 10 p.m. And then Mondays and Tuesdays are like 11 a.m. to 6 maybe. And it films here. No, it films in

L.A. Okay. Have you ever lived here? I was by coastal for a minute. Yeah. For like a couple years. Yeah. But I don't know. Are you a New Yorker? Yeah. You are? So you like love it. Yeah. I mean, I'm not, I was born and raised here. So I'm not like, you know, do you drive? Yeah. Okay. So when you love driving so much. I would want to give it up. Yeah. I hate, I hate not having a car here sometimes. I just don't like that anytime you want to go somewhere, you have to be around people. You know, like there's no way you can be in your car. No, you can't be in your car. No, you can't be in your car. car alone, like, there's no way to get from point A to point B without being in the presence of a stranger. That's true. Are you an extrovert? I am, yeah. Okay. So maybe it's easier. Yeah. You know what you just made me think of that in college, where did you go to school? In college? Yeah. I went to a few colleges. I went to Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo and then I went to a community college for like a year. That's smart. In hindsight, I would have went to, fuck that. In hindsight, I know. I would have paid $2,000. Yeah. Or gotten honors for being there or something. They pay you. That's why I left after a quarter.

I was like, what am I spending all this money on this school for? The first school, you mean? Yeah, the first school. Because I like went away to school and was like living in a dorm and I was like, what am I doing? I couldn't do stand up there. And so then I like came back to where I was. Oh, and you made it like a smart financial decision.

Yeah. And then I transferred again to another Cal State. Why? Because I finished the first two years. And so I was done at the community college level. And so I just transferred to another Cal State. And I had like one year left, but I was on the road. So I didn't finish.

school oh you end up not finishing after all that transferring yeah yeah oh my god i always thought i would finish college i was like but not that it matters you know it really doesn't which is i have to tell you guys everyone's gonna fucking tell me i'm so stupid for this but like when you start setting up your investments and stuff which like i'm just being like what are you you don't just keep it in your checking they tell you one of the first things if you have kids is like open this um fund for them it's called the 529 and it's like not taxed and then but they have to use it for school when they're 18. Oh, that's awesome. Okay, but wait. Oh. So my thing is, like, I haven't done it yet because I'm like, who, like, they can only use it for school. Right. And if they don't use it for school,

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Really? Yeah, yeah. Wait, would you have a podcast? I've done three podcasts. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But haven't stuck with it. No, I did one for like, maybe like four years with friends of mine.

And then I got so busy because there were three of us and it was hard to schedule. And then we were just on Zoom over COVID. And I was like, I don't know. And then I also feel like I was sharing a lot. And then I did one with somebody that was like a movie podcast that was just during COVID. And then when I was going between L.A. and New York, I started one that I did for like less than a year. That was just so I had something to do out here that was about trying to figure out if I liked New York enough to live here called Sad in the City. And it was cool to get like emails from people who were also dealing with that, like moving to new cities because it's an adult when you move to a new city and you have no friends.

Yeah, that is hard. Move for a job or a relationship or whatever. So I really like doing it. But then once I was like, yeah, no, I don't want to live here. When you were doing the bi coastal thing where you, it was a for. stand up like for no I mean it was good for touring and but I was dating somebody out here and they were never going to move and I was like well who knows like I don't know I could like it yeah and I was like yeah and you didn't no I don't think so but it is it is great because even after that

relationship ended I had a place out here for a while and it is great when you are doing tour dates all along this coast yeah to have a place there yeah to crash but now with the show I have to go back anyway. So you said that when you took the show knowing that you could tour on the weekends, are you actually doing that? Yeah, I was in Denver this last weekend. Really? Yeah. And I was in Vegas the weekend before that. Are you sleeping? I am sleeping. Yeah. Which is so funny because now when we were getting the show off the ground and I was sick and I was dealing with all of that, I wasn't touring on the weekends. I had to keep canceling shows. And I was like, oh man, am I not going to be able to do this? And the last few weeks being able to tour again being on the road is actually kind of restful like the travel's not

but once you have like nothing except the shows at night right you wake up in the morning and you're like oh i guess i have eight hours to do nothing to chill yeah like you can't run any errands like you can't go to my appointments oh right because you're not in your city yeah you're not in your city but when i'm home on a weekend i'm like well i guess i got to get all this stuff done yeah but on the road you can't really do any of that you're like i guess i'll find brunch and go to the gym Wait, so you say in your special, you talk about being like a bad sleeper. Yes. Is that still happening?

Not figured out? I think it's getting better. I honestly think having a job is helping because I'm so tired by the end of the day. And people have been like touching me so much. Yeah. I'm around more people than I've ever been in my life. So you're tapped out. I'm tapped out.

Okay. I think that helps. And then also I stopped drinking caffeine for the most part. And I started taking magnesium. Oh, they say that helps. Yeah. Magnesium helps a lot. I can't believe you didn't figure it.

that out earlier in the thing. I know. I can't believe it either. Because you were like, I know everything. Well, I'd heard magnesium, but I think I wasn't taking enough. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And also I have, yeah. And also I have something prescribed if I really need to sleep. Like a sleeping pill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that really knocks you out. It really knocks me out. Yeah. But like these few days of press in New York, I've been taking

that to sleep because I just have to sleep. Yeah. And I'm, I can't be going to bed at like 3 a.m. here and then waking up four hours later for like I can't do that so I'll take it here it's the same thing like when you have a baby like you'll just be tired like there's no such thing as like but will you go to sleep if you have this Diet Coke it's like I can always sleep you know because you're just so tired yeah that's the other thing is I'm like sometimes I wonder if I don't want to have kids or if it's just I'm so terrified of being pregnant it looks so scary the pregnancy part yeah I mean the labor part is scarier the labor part seems scary too but shorter at least like it is shorter it just feels like because you don't know like how have your

pregnancies been have they been okay they've been okay like when you see hard pregnancies it's like that's insane yeah like Amy Schumer did that documentary about hers oh my god I know she was crazy I cannot believe she toured through that I know that's when she was on my show I was like I feel bad for complaining about some acid reflex when like you were right dying yeah It is scary for me, and I know you talk about having anxiety too, is like some people go in with like birth plans, knowing everything about pregnancy, knowing everything that can happen. Mine is like, blah, blah, like, don't think about anything. Don't even think about anything. Don't even think about if you want it, but you're all, don't

want, it's just like, you never know what can happen. So just like fucking roll with it, you know? Yeah, I think that's probably smart. So we're not said on the, you're saying now you're in the phase of no kids. Right now I'm in a phase of no kids. I think also, again, I have siblings. And I'm like, maybe you guys just do it. Do they, wait, so you're the oldest?

I'm the oldest. So none of them are. They don't have kids yet, but I think at least two of them are going to have kids. And I'm like, I'd just be like an aunt. Maybe that would be cool. How does your current partner feel about kids? Doesn't want kids. Oh, so maybe you're influenced.

No, I felt that way before. Yeah? Yeah, I felt that way before. And the fact that anytime I meet anybody, romantic or otherwise, who doesn't want kids, I'm like, that's very validating. You're intrigued, like you want to hear more. A lot of my friends don't want kids. That's cool.

I like people doing different things. Like, it can't be that everyone in life wants the same thing. Yeah. You know, it can't be. Yeah. But at the same time, like, it is a special thing. I know. Well, and that's the thing that makes me want to have kids is like, I know there's this level I just

won't get to. You know, like there's this room in me that won't open if I don't have kids. Yeah. Like, I'll never get to see what's inside. And I know it's this incredible breathtaking. one of a kind love that you're just not gonna get but you know I probably won't go skydiving either like we all right we all have experiences and we don't have experiences I for sure by the way I for sure won't go skyviving I for sure won't go skydiving like isn't so fun though to have the confidence

to say something that yeah for sure won't do like I have nothing in me that's like never say never no never yeah like no interest but you're not there with the kid stuff no because I think honestly I don't know that I'm there with anything anymore because is taking the job at after midnight. That is something I never thought I would do. I never thought I would host a late night show of any kind. You thought that you would say no, maybe? I just never even thought about it.

I was never like, that's a goal of mine. Right. Like, I just was so laser focused on stand up. You know what else I saw your fans kind of speculating? Like that they're like testing you for. Oh, for like. Yeah, yeah. It's so crazy.

For like a, you know, proper late night thing. And this is just like a little. simulation to see if she can do it. Which is so funny because I'm like, look, never say never. Like, who knows? Maybe when I'm like 50, I'm like, I want to do that. But I don't know why people don't think this format is like legitimate. Like I'm like, come to see of live taping. Like, it's a very fun show. I think it's more fun than doing a talk show. Like, or it would be for me. Yeah, than like interviewing serious actors or something and like not really knowing what you're going to get. Like the whole point of our show is to be.

funny every day and everyone's just being dumb and making each other laugh. Like, it's a really good time. You're like, that's really for me. Yeah. It's meant for me. It's a really good time. When you have like a lot of fellow comedians. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you get a say and like booking guests and stuff? I don't book the show. No. No, like not book. I mean I can like tell her. I'm like, oh, hey, this person reached out to me and they want to do it. Yeah. She's like cool. But like I'm not, you know, I'm not the way. And do they not know in advance. What do you mean? The question. Like when you guys do like games and stuff. Oh, no, no, no. They do. Oh, they do. Oh, they do. Oh, they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a whole writer's room.

Oh, yeah, like, truly... What? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we have a whole writer's room. Wait, written for the guests, too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So guests come in at, we film at 4. They come in at 1.30, and they have a couple hours for, like, hair, makeup, rehearsal, and they each get assigned a writer from our room.

And the writers come in and they say, here are a bunch of jokes. Which ones do you want to do, or do you want to come up with your own? And so people usually do a combination. Yeah. We've talked to some people who are like, oh, I'd be so nervous. I wouldn't be funny. And we're like, we have a bunch of hilarious comedians writing jokes for you. Like, you'll be funny.

Yeah. Like, you're completely fine. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't sure. Yeah, I mean, some of it's obviously improvised and some of it's just stuff that's happening off the cuff. But you could absolutely come in.

Well, that takes the pressure off. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's, you know. Do you sit in the writer's room and, like, do that too? I go in for a table read at like 11, but they've written the script and then anything I want to change I can. Yeah. But like, I really thought I was going to have to do so much more work on the show.

Like, I'm just the talent. Truly, I really thought I was going to have to rewrite more of it or something. But our writer's room is so good. And do they get you? Yeah, I feel like they do. I mean, I think obviously, like with anything, you have to learn somebody's voice. And I think it took me a while, too, to go, like, that's so funny, guys. It's just not how I talk.

Yeah. Because I was afraid if I didn't say something, they'd think I was going, that's not funny. Which it never is that. Yeah. But, yeah, I think they write stuff sometimes where I'm like, did you hack into my phone? Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Stephen Colbert is producing it.

He is, yeah, yeah. Is he like your, I was going to say your daddy in comedy? Like, was he like a big, like, role model for you or someone? Yeah, I mean, he's. Yeah, he's amazing. And I've spent time with Conan as well. I probably spent more time with Conan coming up because I went on tour with him and stuff. You open for him? No, Conan did like a stand-up tour back in 2018 and he took a bunch of comedians with him and it was really cool. Oh, that's cool. But yeah, I think Colbert and Conan both have this in common and I'm sure other late night house do as well. I've only met Seth briefly when I did a show once. But they're just so warm and funny and like really locked in. and on, but not in an authentic way. Like, it's really inspiring and impressive to watch. Like, I was in an event with Stephen last night.

And just the way he's able to, like, hold court and make everyone feel welcome and involved and interested and interesting. Like, it is a skill set that I do not naturally possess and I aspire to. Yeah. But it is good for me to see, for sure. Have you done things with him before with Colbert?

Yeah. No. Oh, no. I'd never met him. Oh, you've never done, like, stand-up on it. Has he's had comedians on, I think. Yeah, I had only done Conan, Fallon, and Seth, but that wasn't stand-up. That was just- Oh, wow.

Yeah, so I'd never done a show. I hadn't met him until the, like, Zoom interviews for this show. The Zoom interviews. Yeah. Stop. Did the process start during COVID? No, no, no, no. It was only, like, a couple months.

Oh, really? The end of the last year. Yeah, before I got it. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wait, I want to go back to you turning 30 in November. Okay. Was that a big thing for you? Yeah. Like, was I nervous, freaked out?

Yeah. Yeah. Like, was it like a milestone birthday? Did you feel it? Were you like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm 30? I think 29 I was freaking out a little bit. Really? Yeah. I mean, doesn't everyone kind of? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess so. 29 is just kind of embarrassing because you just feel like you've stayed at a party too long. And everybody's like, are you still here? And you're like, I'd love to leave. Yeah.

But I still have six more months. Until I'm allowed into the 30s party where everyone's probably sitting. Yeah. Like I was not a fan of being in my 20s. Like I'm sure a lot of people are not. And so I had spent most of my 20s being really excited to turn 30. And then I don't know what happened at 29. Maybe because people have always given me too much credit for being young in this business

because I started stand up in high school. So everyone's always kind of been like, you're only 22. You're only 24. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I guess all that's over. Yeah. Now it's like you're one of us. Yeah.

Welcome to late night. But then I got the late night spot and they were like, only 30 with a late night. And you're like, okay, sure. Oh, yeah, you're really young for late night. For that specifically. Yeah. Wow. That's true.

You're a baby for late night. For late night I am. Yeah. It's, well, yeah, I think once I turned 30 and my best friend had turned 30 in July. So she had a few months on me. And she had kind of been having some existential feelings about it. And once she turned 30, she was like, I feel great. Yeah.

And that's how I felt too, besides, like. Mono. I was like, I think I've kind of settled in to who I am now. And part of that is realizing that I don't know how I'm going to feel about anything in a few years. And I think when I was in my 20s, I was trying so hard to figure out who I was and how I felt about everything. And in the last six months, especially since I decided I wanted to take this job and how different that was from what I always thought I would do. I've just realized, oh, you're not, you're not going to know how you're going to feel. Yeah, about anything. Yeah, about anything. So stop trying to figure it out. Like, stop wasting so much time and energy on that.

I remember my friend had this saying she would tell me when I was, like, freaking out about something that always made me realize she would be like, you can't just, like, go to the beach, smoke a cigarette and, like, make this decision. You know, and someone's like, go think about it. It's like, you're never going to make that decision. Yeah. At that moment that you're, like, thinking. It's always going to be a process and you'll have to experience something to know you don't want it.

Does it cross your mind now, like, will I keep liking this late night stuff? Like, could I do it for years upon years? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I feel that way with everything. Truly, I think the only thing I'm sure I want to do forever is stand up. Yeah. And I've sort of felt like every year I go, are you going to want to keep traveling? Are you going to keep wanting to be on the road and touring? And that was another reason to take this job was to go, if I have this job, am I not going to

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It made me appreciate and miss the road a lot while still really loving the experience of working on this show. I definitely want to do both, but it felt similar to COVID where I was like, here's some time at home. Do you like this, taking your own pulse where you're like, is this better? Do you like this better? Yeah.

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like i really i really like i get weird really yeah that's so interesting i know especially because like what i do and yeah but a phone like sometimes my sister sounds like me and i'll be like can you make the reservation? That's so funny. Like, just don't, yeah, no, it's okay. Like, I become, like, I'll accept anything that I'm told. You know what I mean? Like, it's just this weird thing.

I don't know why. Because we just met, and this is going great. So I can't believe you can't. I can't talk on the phone. I hate it. I don't, if somebody, like, calls me out of nowhere, it really freaks me out. Really? Well, yeah, that's rude.

I mean, who does that anymore? Who does that? Yeah, that's gross, you know? But when you're saying anxiety debilitating, are you talking like, because I know you spoke about having panic attacks. Was it that kind of anxiety? Yeah, yeah. It was like I just was frozen and were having a panic attack.

And I think when I started working in restaurants, you just have to talk to people. Like, you just have to get over it. And stand-up is so similar. And the only way you get over those fears is you just have to do it. Like, there's kind of no other option. It is a while that somebody with debility and anxiety wants to go on stage and see if they can make people laugh or not. I mean, so many comedians have horrible. Yeah, it's like, have you heard Bill Hader talk about having terrible anxiety doing S&L?

It's so interesting. Really? Yeah, because he was like, it was horrible. Like, he was like, it was really hard for me to be doing live television every week. I did Dana Carvey and David Spade's podcast and they were like, did you ever want to be on SNL? And I was like, I think SNL is great. I have so much respect for everybody on it and I love it.

I just know myself and I know, you know, again, it's one of those things where you're like, I'm just not equipped for that. You're not like, I want to sweep them up for the challenge. Lynch. Yeah, no. No. I don't think. I don't think. But how's your anxiety now? How do you like? It's better because I'm medicated. Yeah. So I think mood stabilizers help a lot. And like that's prioritizing sleep, taking better care of myself. Magnesium also helps with that. Apparently. Yeah. Yeah. I hired my sibling to work with me. So they're with me all the time now. Brin the. Yeah. Yeah. So what do they do for you? They're like, I don't even know because I pay them to be around. Kind of. Like no, I'm not like I don't know what they do.

They do so much, but calling them like, my executive assistant doesn't even feel like enough. I was telling somebody this recently and they were like, they're like your chief of staff. And I was like, yeah, that's more like what it is because or maybe my handler. I don't know the word. Are your other siblings jelly? I don't think so. No. They don't want to be involved?

I don't think so. I've never talked to them about it. But no, I don't think they would want to do that. Are you all equally as close? We're all super close. Really? We're all super close. But like my youngest sister's in grad school.

like my brother lives in San Diego with his partner like everybody's i think everybody's doing their own lives yeah are they happy that you joined the the queer side of the town yeah i think so i do a joke about it now on stage about like gen z being so good at exploring their identities and sexualities and millennials are more like shh don't feel joy outside you'll upset mama and papa like well we have so much like guilt and like you're suppressing so much especially like i grew up in church and everything so I just have so much around that so I think it just it took me longer but I was talking to them about it for years and they were more like what kind of questions like how did you know or no not even that just more so like I said something as like a joke to my brother in the last six months where

I was like well now that we're all gay and he was like I know you're joking but you know you've always been queer as well like not just because you like have a girlfriend now doesn't mean you weren't legitimately queer before that you just you know just weren't out yet and that's fine but he was like don't invalidate your whole life your whole life just because he was like you don't have to like prove it to anybody which again is something I touch on and have it all is like if you say like your bisexual people really are like we'll prove it it's so weird what did you say like oh here's a picture of margot Robbie are you wet yeah it's like so strange it is yeah yeah so to have like all of that and then also all the religious stuff

Yeah. It was just real tangled in there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is wild that you grew up so religious. How does your dad feel about the whole family? We don't. We don't talk to my dad. Oh, you don't talk to my dad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody talks about me. He's not in the fam. We, yeah, we don't. He's very religious. He's very, he stayed in the religion. Yeah. Okay. But a lot of my family is.

I should say, like, a lot of my family is religious and a lot of them are really great and cool and open-minded and progressive and all the things. Like, I don't think everybody who's religious. is close-minded and hateful or whatever. Like, I have plenty of experience with both. And you talk a lot about daddy issues, too, in your comedy. Yeah. Yeah.

You address that a lot. I do, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then I'm always like, why is everyone talking about my parents? And I'm like, oh, maybe because you did a bunch of jokes about it. I'm like, how did you know I was religious and my dad is? Yeah, I think the first episode of after midnight, we always give away just the dumbest prizes, which I think is really funny, that we have like a fake prize every episode.

episode and the writers are so funny coming up with stuff and I think the first episode they gave away my father's approval and I was like were you guys did I grow up with you like what happened I need to give you another big only woman in comedy moment I mean only woman in late night moment is you are one of the most followed female comedians on tiki talkie oh good did you know I don't know I don't know how many followers everyone has yeah I mean everyone no you're a on a list. Oh, I'm on a list? You were a list. You're, you're, you're, we love a list. As of 2022, you were the seventh most followed female comedian on the platform. Who's one through six? I don't fucking know. Oh, okay. Probably, probably really good people. Probably really good people.

That's a good. I wonder, I bet those first six, I would wonder how many of them are stand-ups, too. Oh, many are like, more improvisers or sketch or comedy people? Comedy actors. Yeah, I'm curious if it's just stand-ups or if it's, we'll get back to you on that. I know. We'll do a fact check. So you're a TikTok, you're into TikTok. Yeah, I was not into, do you love TikTok? No. I was looking at your TikTok. Why? Because I was coming on this and I do my homework. But see, that's that someone, that's like you're looking in the wrong place. Look on Instagram. I'm over 30. I'm over 30, okay. Oh my God. That's when you go Instagram. No, no, I looked, I looked at everything. Don't right. But TikTok is so funny because I can always kind of tell if we're doing it because we're like supposed to. I was going to say, can you tell I was forced by a Gen Zier in the room? I sent that

video of you going like a day in my life, but you're talking over and going, my Gen Z assistant made me do this. Oh my God. Oh my. Delete it. No, no, no. It's so good. I loved it. No, because I sent it to Janie who does my social media and Janie is also a child and is always sending me trends to do. And I have to be like, I'm too old to do that one. She talks to me in trends. She'll be like, where are you, Ariana? And I'm like, what? What's that one? The Ariana one? I don't know what she's like. Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you watch? Do you watch? TikTok? I don't, that's what I don't do. If you don't watch TikTok, it's really hard. Oh, yeah. No. See, I, I agree to put my podcast clips on there. I get it. More I's great.

Yeah. And sometimes there are trends that are fun and they're really fitting for the person. And I'm like, oh, that's really funny. But like, I just like the, the, what is I know what I'm talking about? Like the the, the punching one. Oh, the. How many times? Can you see it? I just. I just. can't no i don't scroll but you're a scroller i do yeah i've gone through periods where i didn't as much and i cannot think of a single tick talk idea when i'm not watching it yeah and also because our show now is so like the old show at midnight was a lot of twitter and our show is a lot of ticot which obviously wasn't around back in 2016 or whatever so i i i do feel like if i am going to send our head writer ideas and like try to contribute and also know what's going on i do have to watch Yeah, yeah. Now it's your job. Now it's my job and it's so hard. It's so hard to get home at night and lay on the couch and watch TikTok. But I do it. Because I'm a hero. It's a huge part of the show is like dumb internet stuff. Yeah. It's a huge part of the show. It's like most of the show I would say is TikTok videos. But if I go through period. Because I never, I didn't want to get on TikTok at first. I had hired a social media company to do my social media for my first special coming out, which was in 2020. And they were like, you need to get on TikTok. And I was like,

I don't dance, no. Right, that's what I thought too. Exactly. And they were like, it's not just that. And I go, okay. And they're like, so can you make one? I said, you can make one. Like, sure.

You have a TikTok now. And so they posted all my stand-up clips. And they did really well. And they did really well. And I think back then it was also easier to grow on TikTok. So they post all these clips and I had like half a million followers, which was like so much more than anywhere else I had. And I was like, oh, maybe we should start paying attention.

They're like, damn, I love TikTok. Yeah. And then I think I got depressed enough in summer of 2020. to be like, will this help? And I think it did, actually. It was very distracting. Yeah, I think it helped a lot of people during COVID. COVID was great for TikTok.

It was. That's true. That's everyone's origin story. Like, how did you grow like 5,000 million followers or night? It was during COVID. Yep. Nobody had anything to do. Nobody had anything to do.

And so I was posting stand-up clips because I had a lot from late night shows in my special. But then I was also like, I was a little younger. I was 26. So I'm like, I'll do a trend. Oh, you were doing trends. I was doing some trends, I think. I was doing some stuff. Are you doing trends now?

Sometimes, but. What's your favorite? I don't know. What have we done, Janie? We just did, we just mouthed the Adele one. No, I can't do. Nothing too physical. If I'm going to do a trend, I have to just lipsing.

The one where she said, it's an honor. Is it even a trend or just a good sound? Where she's like, it's an honor to be here in full fucking glam at 8 in the morning. That one we did. What you have that one saved? She was waiting until I was 34 weeks pregnant so I could do Kylie's. I'm 34 weeks today That's it

That's so funny The fucking TikTok Did I lean in and do it? Yes Of course Did I think about it I was like Oh god I'm 34 weeks

I'm gonna do Kylie What's the dumbest shit You were influenced To get off TikTok Because they're trying to sell Oh that I bought off TikTok Oh god I bought like a light

That puts like a galaxy on your ceiling Why? It's not My publicist is laughing I don't know Because I thought Have you ever just had a week? Is it for adults?

Yeah. Okay. Yes. I think so. And adults pitched it to me on TikTok. I mean, it's, look, I did get rid of it recently. It was embarrassing to buy. And look, I used it a couple times, but there was a week that I was really sad. And I thought maybe if I get the right fun lighting for my apartment, the sadness will go away. And it didn't work. But I still think there is probably the right lighting somewhere that could do that. Was it this plastic thing that projects, stars that I bought? No, it wasn't, but no stone unturned. You'll try everything once. I'll try everything once. Who is the most exciting guest so far on after midnight? Oh, gosh. There's been a lot. I don't know. I was excited that Wayne Brady was on. I was excited. Weird Al just came on. We had Weird Al, Drew Carey and Thomas Lennon on one and they were all amazing. Oh my God. Max Greenfield was fun. Oh yeah, Max Greenfield was early on. Yeah. There's been a lot. I mean, it's really fun to see comics I respect and look. up to and then also comics that I haven't seen in a long time just because when you're all

headlining on the road like you stop seeing each other but when you're younger you see everyone at the clubs in town yeah so like we had one episode with Maria Bamford Jackie Cation and uh Lori Kilmartin and they're all friends as well as being like so there was like really good yeah they're all friends and like through like the best comics working and so that was like really fun for me I like it when the guests know each other and have have a friendship yeah have a vibe. But also there have been episodes where they didn't know each other at all or knew each other a little bit. And I was like, I thought you were all best friends. I had no idea. So yeah, you just never really know. A quick pop culture quiz before you go. Okay. Let's see how are you doing

was TikTok. Okay. Who is Kristen Cavalry dating? I don't know anything about reality TV. She is reality TV. Yeah. She's TikTok. I'm like, is it. Oh, is it Stephen? Wait. No. Wait, that's good though no wait did you never get fed on your fyp the montana boys no oh okay it's a whole other oh okay okay she doesn't know who recently released a song named karma oh jojo siwa nice yeah what are your thoughts there on jojo siwa i don't know enough about jojo siwa wasn't she like a kid on a reality show but she came out recently and she like changed her whole vibe to like oh yeah we talked the reason I know is because we talked about the song on the show. Oh, you did? Okay. Okay.

What was something controversial that happened at Stagecoach this weekend with Revolve? Okay, let me tell you. Even Janie doesn't know. Let me tell you guys, which I'm so shocked. There was a sign saying, here for over one million followers, this way for under one million followers.

Oh, my God. Isn't that so gross? I assume that's what the sign at the gates of heaven says. Isn't that so crazy? That's crazy. What salad is going? going viral on TikTok. Cobb? Candy salad?

What's in it? Oh, candy salad. You've seen it? Yes, I have seen that. Okay. It's just people putting a bunch of different candies in a bowl. And popcorn, right? No, not so much.

It's like, I could, that I can get around. Like, if it was popcorn and chocolates, I could see it. Yeah, yeah. It's like that. But it's like a bunch of different gummies all tangled together. And you're like, sure, that would be great if I was younger. TikTok is silly. A TikTok is.

Taylor, thank you so much for coming on. So talented. Everybody watch after midnight. It's on CBS really late at night. Yes, or Paramount Plus anytime you want. Anytime you want. Or TikTok and Instagram if you just want to watch it in very small doses. I don't think they'll like that.

That you're saying. Yeah, get a Paramount Plus account. I'm sorry. Watch on CBS. It's the only way to see it. And your special have it all has been out since February. You all can go watch it. Yes, that's on Netflix.

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