Not Skinny But Not Fat - Television & Turbulence w/ Maddison Brown

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

Australian beauty & actress Maddison Brown from the CW’s Dynasty joins me on the pod to discuss Kylie Baby, The Scott Effect, Jason Sudeikis’s velvet suit @ The Emmys, Britney’s Netflix doc, which celeb couple she’d throuple with @ & more!  Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No, I was going to say Addison Ray. Oh. Who's who was just on the podcast. Oh my God. I know. So, well, at least like you didn't come right after Addison Ray. Like at least there was like me. It was a buffer. Yeah. There was a buffer. There was a buffer. We have one more Addison. It's Madison. First of all, Madison, if you can tell, she's Australian. And I just feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong and I'm really saying this, I feel like Australians are just so awesome. And like if it wasn't so far away, no, really, like all my Australian followers are always like the nicest people with the nicest comments and like get like the sarcastic sense of humor really well. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Australians are very sarcastic. And that's something I really had to adjust to. like I've been working in the States since I was 16 because I was a model I was a teen model and so I used to live in New York when I was 16 and were the first things that my agents in Sydney said to me because I've always been like I don't know especially as a teenager in a model I was a little sass pot and they would always tell me like Americans just don't understand Australian humor like you have to be very aware of what you say and how it comes across and that's still something I have to adjust to and it's funny because I was I didn't go home since January 2020 because of COVID and all the border closures and everything. So it's been so long since I've been back to Australia and I was just there for three weeks. And I remember being like, yeah, Australians are really fantastic. Like I've forgotten because I have, I feel so American now because I've just been here for so long without a break.

I used to go home every few months. But it was like, I noticed it for the first time. And I was like, oh, I get what people in America are saying because Americans are so not like this. they're so not like dry and sarcastic like that. They don't. They don't. No. They don't get it. But Madison, you are from Australia. You came here at the age of 16 by yourself. That's wild. Yeah. Well, my first couple of trips, my mom came with me. Then after night, I was in New York a lot of my own. I went to Paris alone. I went to London alone. You know, I did all the, I did. I did a lot of flying around on my own and going places on my own, which is crazy because now I hate being alone.

but I think that's a result of like being so independent and on my own all the time. And, you know, like all of my friends like in high school, you know, finishing school and I was like getting on another plane alone and like going to a job alone. And so I feel like as an adult I've gone like the other way where I'm like I hate being alone. Like I need my dog with me. I need a friend with me. Like I hate flying alone.

But yeah, I lived in New York and I was in New York on my own and it's pretty crazy to think about like just being so young and here alone. It's like a lot. lived in New York on your own from 16, like around then? Yeah, like on and off on it. Like, I would come for work for a few months and I'd go back to Australia for a couple months and I'd come for work for a few months. And that's kind of, that's the life of a model.

That's a life of a model. And then did you know when you were modeling that like you wanted to get into acting? I actually started acting when I was five. So I had always wanted to be an actor. And I actually, I randomly started modeling because I was like a really tall teenager. And my like child acting. agent at the time was like she's very tall it's too hard to like because you go for auditions when you're like 10 and like all the other kids look you know a lot younger than 10 because they're a

normal 10 year old whereas you know me at 11 12 I was like five for day so I was like a lot taller than all the other kids so it was like hard to like you know book me for auditions and stuff and I tower over all the other kids so when I was 13 my acting agent was like maybe you should submit her for a modeling competition so that it is like good for a conference because she's very tall, she might really enjoy it. And so, like, I entered the modeling competition. That's how I started modeling. So I started modeling when I was 13, but I always wanted to do acting.

And so always in my mind, I was like, when I am 25 and I'm too old to model, I'll go back to acting. But it just happened on a different timeline. It happened when I was, like, 17 instead of at 25. So you got Dynasty when you were in 2018, right? When I was 21, I got Dynasty. Was that super exciting to get on, like, a show? It was. I didn't really know what I was getting myself into because I was so green. Like I didn't know. I just I didn't know what it was like to shoot a TV show or anything like that. And it's a 22 episode show. So we do 22 episodes a season, which is like nine, 10 months. And when I got the show, I was like, oh, it was like, dude. I was like, oh, I'll be home by Christmas. And then I got to the first cast dinner and I was talking to one of my co-star Sam Adagoki, who plays Jeff Colby on the show. And I was like, yeah, I'll be home in like five months.

like he's like no no you're going to be here for like a year and i was like what are you talking about he's like yeah it's a 10 month shoot and i was like oh uh cool i didn't know that and then you know three something years later i'm still there in Atlanta filming in Atlanta yeah do you like it i do Atlanta's a cool place to live i uh it took a minute to grow on me because I was in Sydney and I was like going to the beach every day and like you know just live in life but then Atlanta doesn't have a beach or anything like that and being Australian that was hard to adjust to. But I really like it now. I've come to really appreciate it. There's a really good restaurant scene. It's like a small city so it's very easy to get around and I don't know. I like

Atlanta. I don't mind. I miss it when I'm away. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to go back. Oh, really? My little Atlanta life. Yeah, it's just very cozy. Atlanta's a very cozy city. And there's a lot of like, there's a lot of worse places you could end up for a long time shooting a show. Atlanta has like some really gorgeous neighborhoods and a really great food scene, bar scene, like nightlife, that kind of thing. It's like a, um, I say it's like the New York of the South. Like it's like of the South, of the southeast, like of all those little inland cities. I think Atlanta is the most, has the most sprinkle of New York in it, if that makes sense. So how many years has it been already? Like three. Three, yeah. Three of living in Atlanta. July 2018. Yeah. People don't realize. And I, you know who I was

talking to Australian actress Claire Haltz, also Australian, also so cute. So she, she, she, when she told me about like acting that every show like that, she was also on like vampire diaries that it's like, yeah, people think it's like, you know, you're just like living life, you go to shoot, you come home. Like literally like you uproot your life. You're living on a location, which like, thank God you love, but it could be also like you said like random and your friends aren't there. Like you probably make new friends. I mean, my friends aren't there. Like I'm friends with people on the show, but I have like one friend and her family that I'm friends with and they like basically adopted me last year during

the pandemic because I couldn't see my phone like I spent Christmas with them. I did I think I did Thanksgiving with them. We went away together for New Year's like they like literally took me in as one of their own which was so amazing. How did you meet her? Like in Atlanta like native? That years ago when I was living in LA when I was like 18 for another friend. Oh cool. But your castmates become like your yeah I saw on your Instagram like how much you were missing home throughout this whole pandemic and, like, not being able to go. And then you finally go and you have the worst flight of your fucking life. Oh, my God.

That was so insane. I already had a fear of flying. And then that's why it was like, I. You gave me such anxiety telling the story. I'm so sorry. I have, like, anti-anxiety meds now. And I have air sickness, like motion sickness meds. It was like the craziest thing I've ever experienced.

Like, for the listeners who don't know, because I don't think I posted it on you didn't post it. No, no, no, no, you didn't. Basically, I had this flight from Dubai to Sydney to get home finally off, not seeing my family for a year and eight months or whatever it was. And I kind of have a fear of flying already. Like my adrenaline was pumping and it's like a 14-hour flight. And you're going from Dubai to me.

You're going over the Indian Ocean and it's monsoon season. So the turbulence was like unlike anything I've ever experienced. And I've been a frequent flyer since I was 16. So I've done a lot of flying. I've done a lot of long haul flying because I'm Australian. I've done a lot of flights to and from Europe and things like that. Never in my life have I experienced the time. Did they worry you?

Like, did they say like, no, no, that's the thing. It doesn't make you feel better when the pilot's like, hi, guys, we're going to be going through a rough patch. No, because then I expected to get worse. Like when the pilot says like, hey guys, buckle up. I start having a panic because I'm like, oh my God, if the pilot's telling us, you know it's really bad. But if the pilot doesn't say anything, you're like, we're going down.

Like something's wrong. No, if the pilot doesn't say anything, I'm like everything is fine. like the pilot will only come on when he feels like like i just for as an example oh my god i'm getting so off track but let me finish the best flight story so we basically hit turbulence for like three and a half four hours straight and it wasn't like turbulence where it was like g-force it was literally like you were inside a washing machine and you were just like doing this like shaking the whole flight and i hadn't really slept because i had to fly a weird way to get home and i just was like oh no oh no I feel sick oh no I'm going to vomit and then I just couldn't stop vomiting for like

nine hours because it was a 13 hour fly and this was about I'd been asleep and the tugged once woke me up and it was like literally two hours of being shaken around like not even able to like have a drink because it would just splash all over you like the fire attendants couldn't get up they had to be in their jump seats and I was like oh shit I'm going to throw up and then I just did not stop vomiting and I didn't sleep I hadn't slept in like two days because of all the that I had to get home, and then I spent, like, this whole flight growing up. Oh, my God, Madison. Were you scared to get on the flight back?

Oh, yeah. I cried. Like, I couldn't stop crying. I was, like, in the flight. And there was, like, I think only, like, 40 people on my flight out because you can't, like, leave Australia either. So, like, I had to get, like, a lawyer to, like, get my visa to leave the country, even though, like, I'm a U.S. citizen.

I've been in America full time for three years. I still had to, like, get someone to, like, get me a visa. in the leave but there was literally like 40 people on my flight out and I just like we took off and it was smooth like turbulence forecast no turbulence at all like smooth smooth and I just like burst into tears and I just could not stop crying so one of the flight attendants got the captain to come down and talk to me and like he came down and spoke to me for like half an hour and he showed me his iPad with like the full radar like showed me the route and like explained everything to me and was like hey we're going to hit a bit of turbulence over Hawaii I know shout out to

Delta. It was literally like his name was Ray and then at some point they changed and he was flying the plane and he said to the flight of 10. Oh my God. I feel pressure like I don't want to upset Madison. Connie, that made me feel a lot. That does. That does. I know somebody that every flight goes to the cockpit and is like, what's the weather? What route are you taking? I don't know how she does it. How she like just burst in there? Because I was like, how can you do that? She's like, I literally just go. And I make them tell me what route they're taking, what the weather is going to be like. But yeah, flying, I mean, I know this is so fucked up, but, like, everyone knows it because I live my life through, like, celebrity gossip and pop culture and shit.

Like, when I'm flying, I'm like, Kendall Jenner has to do this all the time. Like, it makes me feel better knowing that, like, celebrities and models. Oh, and they fly on private planes that are much smaller than the commercial planes we fly on. Like, I used to make a joke all the time. Like, oh, I want to, like, I want to fly private. I hate playing commercial. And then after I had a couple of really turbulent flights, especially that one from Dubai, Sydney. I was like, I am never getting on a private plane. I have never done this. I don't know how they

always look so chill. Like, they're always just like, hey guys, like, chilling. The kids are like on the iPads. And I'm like, even Travis Barker's first flight was on private. But they were on the Kylie Global Express. She has a big plane, I think. Right. Yeah. It's not a lot of time. But still, I don't know. Like I started, I have OCD like diagnosed clinical OCD and obviously anxiety. So like when I get fixated on something that I'm scared of. I, like, I can't let it go. And it's like, it's been a different thing. Basically, every year, it's a new thing. And, like, the last few months, it's been flying. Yeah. Which is very inconvenient. Because I have to fly for work. Yeah. So I started, like, looking for like, aircraft investigations and all this stuff. And that's why I started crying when we

were, like, flying out to Sydney. Because I was like, I'm on this plane for 13 hours. I'm alone. Like, what if we go down? Like, I was like, I know I'm going to like crash into the Pacific Ocean and die and no one's ever going to find my body. Like that's the ball that's going through my head. And so it made me feel good though when the captain came down and spoke to me because every time I want a plane now, I'm like, it's Ray flying the plane. Like just imagine it's Ray. And that makes me feel better.

I'm like, I met one of the captain. Like he has 30 years of flying experience. Like everyone on my flight was amazing. And shout out to Delta because they really like, this is not an ad for Delta. But like kind of maybe it should be because they really went the extra mile to make me feel so comfortable. like all the fighters coming down like how are you feeling like you want to dream captain to reassure you start hyperventilating crying and crying and look like Madison brown and then maybe the captain

will come but you know what I think I think I know this is getting but I'm just saying like with fears well I think if as an anxious person as well like you know like I feel like the ultimate fear is dying right like the ultimate bottom line fear is like death like everything that's like you're scared of it like why are you scared? because you might die. So I feel like if I like die alone at that like on a plane alone like I honestly think a plane crash is probably the worst way to go like if we're going to start digging into it. I think it's I think it's yeah I think it's the worst way to go because you know and like but

I feel like if you're a person and there are a lot of people like that like I feel like Kim Kardashian is like that because she's like she she's not scared of like Stasi from Vanderpump roles like a lot of people are like into like they're not scared of death. You know what I mean? And I feel like once you're not scared of death, like you're, you're just good to do anything. You're like, whatever words case scenario. Anyway, I wish I could be one of those people. I'm scared of fucking everything.

I never used to be scared of flying. And it's because you got a real inconvenient. You know, because when you're young, I used to fly when I was like 14 also, like get on a plane to Israel 12 hours by myself. Like love it actually. I used to see planes in the sky and be like, oh my God, why am I not in a plane? Yeah, I used to do like one time I did L.A. to Sydney and I was in Sydney for like a week and then I went Sydney to Paris and I was in Paris for four days and then back to Sydney and then back to LA all like all that in two weeks.

And I was chilling. Chillin. No problem. Didn't even have a single drink on any of the flights and was fine. And was it and then you had to quarantine for how many days and I'll show like 10 days now? Two weeks. 14. I really enjoyed it.

I don't know what that was about me. I just let me say this day three and four. I was done. I was like being such a bit. I was like, I hate it. I never want to do this again. But then on day five, I woke up and I was like, oh, it's actually not that bad. And then I really enjoyed it.

I watched three seasons of the Railhousewives of Beverly Hills. That's basically all I did. But it was fun. I think I just got off shooting season four. I just wrapped like a week and a half earlier. And I just think I really enjoyed just not having to go anywhere, not having to be anywhere. I'll have it. It's just, you know, eating and FaceTime my family and just chilling all day. And I was doing Pilates as well in my hotel room, which made me feel amazing.

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of real half as Beverly Hills in quarantine. They were like, oh, that's like very, you like watch trashy TV. And I was like, yeah, guess what? It is. And I'm still smart and I'm so successful. So shut out because I like pop culture. Doesn't make. I hate what people. But it's not like that anymore. Okay. If people say that now, I hate that. They're not with the times. I went on the podcast yesterday and they were like asking me about obviously my like the shit I'm into. And I was just like, I used to be embarrassed too. Like my sister went to school for pre-med. She, like, volunteered in Africa.

Like, no joke. And I'm like, um, Star Magazine. Like, you know what I mean? Whatever it was back in the day. And, um, she used to make fun of me all the time. Be like, you're superficial, you're shallow. But today I feel like it's become such a widespread thing. Like, celebrities love this shit more than fucking anyone even.

And smart people love this shit. And it doesn't mean anything about you. And, you know, it's escapism. It's fun. entertainment. I think that's the thing. Like I, I love watching reality TV. I think because I work on a TV show now. And like, just as an example, um, my sister loves gossip girl. Love that is always watching gossip girl. And I was watching it with her one day. And they were shooting this, it was this huge Thanksgiving scene. And there was like nine of the characters. And there was,

I was just like, it was like a, probably like a three thing. Was this the scene with Army Hammer? No, no, no. It was like season five. It was later in the show. But my sister was watching it and I was just sitting there and I was like, all I could think about was like, oh my God, how many days were they shooting this thing for? Like, I'm looking at all the different directions. Like, all of the characters have dialogue. They all need their own shot. Like, none of this is done cross coverage. You can't shoot it like that? And I was just like literally having just anxiety thinking about. And my sister was like, can you stop? Like, you're ruining TV for me. And I was like, no, TV is ruined for me after working on a TV show. Like, it's especially a show like Doctor Girl or Dynasty where it's like kind of soapy and there's like a lot of characters like I was just I can't watch that stuff anymore because all I can think about is like how long were they shooting the scene for like I I just know like I'm looking at coverage of this actor and they're on hour 13 of this day and they are fucking over it you know what I mean so I'm like I can't enjoy TV shows like that in the same way anymore I think that's why I love reality TV so much because I can really like zone out you know what I mean like it doesn't

occur to me that half the stuff that happens in reality TV is like a scripted storyline and set up by the producers. I'm just like, oh my God, this is amazing. This is fun. I have no idea how this works. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes and I can just enjoy it, you know? I mean, that's the thing. It's like escapism at its fucking finest. And because a lot of shows on TV well, maybe not Dynasty, but I don't know, Handmaid's Tale. Like, I'm not leaving that show feeling good. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm like, I had to stop watching it. No, and I have to be very careful. I started watching Breaking Bad last year at the of the pandemic and I started having like really intense breaking bad themes nightmares and so I

had to stop watching it because I was like I'm alone it's a pandemic my family is far away I'm alone in my problem with no one but my dog and all I'm thinking about is like the fucked up shit that's happening on breaking bad and I have to stop watching it like I have to keep it light yeah yeah and the thing is like I don't think there's any shame in that game anymore because legit like everyone watches real housewives like they like i don't know i mean people aren't into christie tigin anymore biontay watches real housewives like it's fiance who put up what's oh riana put up uh yeah she watches rohanie she fucking put up like romona in her caption she's like sup romona like yeah everybody does and you know what if you don't then you're not

cool because it's the cool thing to be doing okay if re re re fucking doesn't it's also not that you're not cool if you're not watching it's just not cool like put other the people down. Like, I'm not making fun of you for like, you know, whatever cool, like, cerebral book you're reading. Don't make fun of me watching Below Dex Mediterranean every day. Like, I don't want to hear it. I just don't want to hear it. So, so no shame in your game, Madison. But can we talk a little bit about some stuff that's going on right now? Are you down? Yeah, let's discuss. Let's unpack. Okay. I have some thoughts too, by the way, like post-met gala, I'm going to pitch something to you and I'll see how you feel about it. Okay. Do you want to

start? No, well, maybe it will come up. Okay, okay. Well, okay. So, first of all, Kylie Baby, uh, she debuted Kylie Baby. Yes, right. Which, like, I know this is such a weird thing to think, but all I can't think about is, like, I can't get over the fact that she, like, just patents her name and, like, the thing, you know, like Kylie Swim. I know. I saw you like Michelle, would Michelle baby do as well? Like, and by the way, I got a lot of

Michelle's in my DMs being like, girl on Michelle and I agree with you. It wouldn't be a thing. Like, like, no way. it's just so funny to me. Like she's now the most followed woman on Instagram. Yeah. And I just, again, like those people that make fun of like reality TV and pop culture, I'm like, well, like, it's the world that we live in now. It's a world that we live in.

And if you want to make fun of Kylie, then like fucking she doesn't give a fuck because she's a billion. No. I mean, do I think she doesn't need like thousands? Like I'm lazier probably. So like, if I was a billionaire, I'd be like, cool. Like made billions. I'm good. She's like Kylie Swim,

like how much money? Like are you getting massively rich off like a seven piece swimsuit line? You know what I mean? Like I feel like maybe. Also it's not for everybody, you guys. It's legit like nipple covers.

I am. It's for her friend. She looks amazing. She looks amazing. But I feel like it's for her friends. Like I'm not sure it's for like, you know. I think when you have that much capital,

it's just about like getting your foot in the door in certain markets and also like expanding your own horizons for yourself. I'm sure Kylie's happy just doing makeup, but maybe she's like, yeah, I want to have a swimsuit line. Like, maybe she wants to do a fashion show like Rihanna's doing with fencing. You know what I mean? Maybe she's just like, she has all this.

I mean, if I had that much money, I'd be like, yeah, an influence as well where it's like it's guaranteed. It's not going to flop. Like, it's never going to flop. Right. It doesn't matter what she sells. Like it doesn't matter. Even though I don't know.

I think it's just more like fun for her, you know, so you don't get forward. You need a purpose in life, even if you're a billionaire and you have that much money. Like your purpose. you know, when you're someone that enjoys working like I do, I don't think I would be very happy just like chilling and home, like nothing to do just going on vacations. I think sounds fun in theory, but I think in reality, a lot of us would probably get bored living life that way. And so, yeah, fuck yeah. If I had her money and her influence, I'd be like, yeah, here's my swimsuit line. Here's my 10 lemon t-shirts that are all look the same, but buy them.

The swimsuit line came out like, I don't know, four days ago. And she did. debuted like Kylie Baby yesterday and a lot of people are thinking that because she wore a blue dress that that she's having a boy. What do you think? I have no idea. I really can't get a sense to these things unless like I, it's like my friend and I've been with them and then I can be like, it's a boy, it's a girl. And then I can kind of tell. But I really have no idea. I don't think she would be like blue dress. Maybe she doesn't know. Yeah. Also maybe she doesn't know. Maybe she's not dropping hints. Maybe she doesn't know. Well, first of all, she put, well, people are taking too far because the bottle is like a gradient of blue pink. Yeah, it's onbray or whatever. Yeah. So I was like,

well, yeah, because like boy and girl, like that doesn't mean she has a girl and she's having a boy, but she was wearing a blue dress. And like, honestly, I wouldn't be mad if I was sent the, the press package. Like, I'm not sure I'm her favorite sister, but I wouldn't be mad. You could message Courtney or Kim. But like, it's so funny. I just can't, I, because of my, like, cynical, like, self, like when I hear it being like, and it was so important to me that it's vegan and I'm just like it was so important to you that I don't know it makes me laugh a little bit but obviously like for our babies we want the best stuff you know so yeah I honestly I want some from my sisters because they both just had babies so I really want some I feel like that's a good

how to get my hands on it I feel like that's a good like baby shower gift because it's like funny also you know what I mean you're like I'm bringing you Kylie fucking baby like I feel like that's a vibe you guys so if you're listening and you need an idea like I feel like that's a good idea Did you see that I posted Chelsea Handler and Joe Coy? Yes, I'm obsessed with how obsessed you all with them. I get weird. I'm so weird. Like, honestly, guys, I don't even like follow Joe Coy.

Like, I remember he was on Chelsea tonight or Chelsea lately. Like, back in the day, he was on the panel. But all of a sudden, when I found out there together and she's in love because she's such a, like, cynic and she's so like, you know, she wrote so many books about like my horizontal life and just fucking around and, you know, dating. 50 cent and shit. Sometimes monogamy it gets you.

So it just got her, you know? You stop from behind and it grabs you and you go, oh shit, I don't want to be with one person now. So when did that happen? But did you see how cool they are? They like literally do shrooms all day. I don't know what the fuck. They're like literally living life.

And I feel, by the way, Madison, I'm not the only one obsessed. Like everyone, because A, we will leave. No, I think everyone's very happy for her. Yeah. And it's cool. They're, like, friends and they've known each other for a long time. It's not just like a, you know, a fling that's, like, going to burn out.

And they're strangers, but just have, like, really hot sex. Like, other couples in the media right now, I don't know. Even though Cravis, I mean, they were friends also, but still having that. Oh, no, I'm not talking about Travis. Oh, we're talking about MGKMF. You would love to. Would you rather Thruple with MGKMF or with Kravis? I would rather thruple with Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz.

Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, you got a fucking point. I feel like this is what I was going to bring up. Like, I feel like there's two types of people in the world. There's, like, the machine gun, Kelly, Megan Fox people. And then there's the Zoe entranning people. And I fancy myself more of a Zoe enchanting people.

And I was actually talking about this the other day with one of the dynasty producers. We were, like, DMing about it. And she was like, I just feel like everyone knows what Megan Fox and Machine Gang Kelly is like when they're having sex. And I'm like, absolutely everyone can picture it. Like, they like each other's tongues in public. Like, everyone knows the comments that, like, they were like fucking on the table and Airbnb and all that stuff. Right.

But like Zoe and Channing you don't know. Very discreet, but I bet they have like it's hot. You know what I mean? And also don't you think though, he's hot, right? Channing is hot, but she elevates his hotness for sure. I mean, I just like that they're both just like

two mutually really hot people. Yeah. And they're just like, you know, hanging out on Williamsburg like and Williams. Right. But that's what I'm saying. Like I feel like she's Williamsburg and he's not. But she, like, made him Williams Park. I don't think she cares. I think she's just like, your heart, like your heart, you make me laugh.

Oh my God. Him holding her purse at the fucking med gala, like, no. He looks so good at the moment. He looks so good at the moment. He was like, I think honestly, one of my OG childhood pressures because like she's the man and step up and all that stuff, he was like the, uh, he's, I remember actually my first trip to New York, one of my friends and I, when I was a model, we were 16, there was a movie premiere outside my hotel.

It wasn't for Magic Mike. It was for something else. I can't remember what, but he was there. We were like, Johnny, David, we have to go down. Like,

we went and, like, Thor and walked the red carpet. So I, like, you watched Dear John. You guys watched Dear John. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, and the vow and the vow with Rachel McAdams. Those are movies, you guys, that like, you're just like, you're like,

I love, love. Like, they never leave you. The notebook, I cry hysterically, every time. Every fucking time. Even when it starts with the old people, I'm like, I know it's going to happen. And I like start crying then, you know? I still, it's still, you know, tugs at my heartstrings. But yeah, I'm just so happy for chatting. I know. I hope they just like. I hope they make it work. Dear women everywhere, let's start a fashion revolution. Old Navy is changing the shopping game with bod equality. Body quality means size equality, price equality and style for women. everywhere. That's right. Old Navy is making every one of its styles in every size and with no difference in price because we deserve it. Have you ever seen something you loved and thought

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I need to ignore the fact that they like see because then I can't live my life. I was wondering if that like That would make me, I'm like, stop. Like, I swear, I feel like you guys aren't going to believe me. But when I see it, obviously there's a moment of like excitement, but there's also a moment of like, don't look because like I just want to be and like be a fucking idiot and not care. But then if I know they're watching. But anyway, they watched the Amelia story that I put up yesterday where I was like literally just talking about it because they feel like people aren't getting what I'm saying.

I actually understand. and there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a post-disc relationship, like, Genesee Croix that pops up when that ends. And especially, like, Sophia ended it and Amelia ended it. So it's like, they, and Amelia's golf was like, Amy, oh, yeah, but like Amelia's law up has happened, like, in a matter of days. But I, you know why I think it is? I think it's because I don't think people thought that she would ever do that.

You know what I mean? I don't think people thought that she would ever do that. end like oh she's just like this naive 19 year old girl she doesn't but then she like ended it and like stuck up for herself and I think that's made a lot of people go like oh like she's got like balls and like you know she's she's with it she's on yeah she didn't stick around she switched on yeah exactly and I think that's why a lot of people like take her more seriously now and why everyone's like more excited because they're like oh wait like she totally wised up and cut the shit which is what's defeated too and now everyone's like oh you know these girls like

stay there and put up with it. I know. What is it? I feel like bad that like I start liking the women after they break up with him. But I mean, even with Sophia, it's like when she was dating him, a lot of people were always like, oh, she looks like a Kardashian. She looks like this. And literally look at her now. She's fucking rosy like HW. That's because like that's what he kind of does. That's what he kind of does. And with Amelia as well, but I seeing her now and following her and her bouncing around fashion week, being like flight to London, flight to hear. I know. As a team shows, that's such a model's life. Like, and she was a model before, but she's on a different level now.

And if that's what she got out of this shit, their breakup came in a very convenient time for her, like at the start of fashion week where she doesn't look like she's sitting at home moping, like in her sweaters, like, you know, like she's, it came at a time where she's, like, booked and busy for the next month. Like, fashion month is hectic. I've been in that position before. And you best believe if I ended a relationship like that, I'd be like, on another plane, like with Katie Grand

and Anita Bitton like she would be the casting directors in fashion like eating processed well that's the thing didn't she start like Bella and Gigi's kind of like well she had the love

she had the love magazine and she did she was the casting director for Mark Jacobs and the stylist for Mark Jacobs and that was Kendall's first show that was when I was doing fashion week was when Kendall did her first show so she she put Kendall in Mark Jacobs

and that's when Kendall became like a legit high fashion girl That's, that's what I'm saying. It's wild. Yeah. It's, you know, and I don't think she was dating him for that. I think she was in love with him. No. But I think that if that's the perk that like she got more, you know, people were noticing her more. Like every time I open my Instagram, it's like, Enu's being like Amelia taking over fashion week or like Amelia died eyebrows. Yeah. She was not, you know, it was. The breakup came at a great time when she's booked and busy for fashion. So she comes off looking like, I'm so busy. I'm living life. My, you know, you know, know, all about career, career, career. And, like, everyone's like, oh, what's Scott doing, like, at another club opening in Vegas? Or, but then the thing is with Scott is, like, no matter how much I can, you know,

talk about, like, kind of the negative things that he's done. And whole post, like, Penelope and be like, Pinope, you know, date night with Pinope. And, like, that's, you know, my heart. No, I mean, he's a father first and forth. Like, we can, we can have a back and forth about, like, the pop culture side of things. But, like, these are real people we're talking about.

Like, he's a dad. And he's a mom and they have to figure it out between them. And, like, I take my hat up to them. I know that that's not easy at all. But, you know, at the same time, they put themselves out there, like, you know, publicly. And they have a persona. And so, you know, there's like a healthy amount of, like, debating the pop culture side of things. But also, like, you know, he's a dad.

Yeah. No, totally. It's speaking of Zaddies, which, like, I don't know, Scott kind of is. All of us were dying over Jason Sadekis at the fucking Emmys. the way the Emmys were like a vibe this year like I feel like shows have been so kind of boring because you're like smile you're like no they weren't a vibe Amanda no it was it was I think it was more of a vibe than yeah I mean yeah and the other thing by the way my friend just went to the met and I don't know if you're supposed to do it to see the exhibit and because I'm like a

fucking loser I didn't go even though it's so close to my house but she took pictures and I'm like wait this is what the lexicon of fucking fashion was supposed to be because none of of the celebs got it like if you guys go to the to the exhibit it's literally like what we thought it's like america like there's an old ralph lorence sweater from like 1975 like it's a very like supposed to be like old america like and i feel like who got it because like i feel like no i feel like if i haven't gone to the mecca i would have been like a dolly pot and seen sequins full-leg dress you know what i mean with like shoulder pads and a veneck and like purple and like you know Americana, like, Harold called, I would have, you know, I, I would have expected to see more of that, like, you know, country Western vibe.

Oh, so maybe J-Lo. So, J-Lo, if you're saying country-western a little bit, J-Lo had, like, the Western hat. She had the hat, but I wanted, like, a little, like, that was cool. I don't know who got, like. I mean, Billy Eilish wore, like, the Marilyn Monroe thing. Well, that was cool. So that was, like, a throwback, like, old Hollywood. Like, anything that's, like, a reference, like, those, like.

But, like, your friend Zoe, so cute. so gorgeous, so hot. What, like, you know, was it on the? Yeah. So anyway, if it was so just weird to me that I saw pictures from the exhibit and I was like, I wonder if they get like a preview so they know because if I saw that, I would be like, oh, got it. I know what to wear.

But if you don't see that and you just get the, I wonder if they get like a book. You know what I mean? I feel like you would get a brief. You would get a brief. You would get a brief. You would get a brief. And I feel like the camp scene. Everyone is very.

Yeah. The camp thing work. Obviously, it's like their own interpretation. of things but there's been so many things like what was the one was like 2018 where it was like religion and fashion and everyone looked amazing like Blake lively had that amazing dress and um kim had the cross dress and like like I feel like they get a reference or a guide but it's obviously open to interpretation yeah well anyways so the Emmys looked like a vibe everyone was dying over jason sedacus in like a velvet suit and everyone's dying over ted lasso are you i just started watching it last night

because it won so many Emmys and it's like, okay, it's time to watch it. It's like, and it's good. It's good. Do you, are you dying over him too? Do you do, would you take Jason over Harry? Such a loaded question. I feel like it depends on where you're at in life, you know, if you want to like settle down, there's a very obvious choice. If you want to live life on the road and have like, you know, a sexy rock star boyfriend. There's also a very obvious choice. And I just, I don't know what phase of my life I'm at right now. So that's a very hard choice for me to make. Well, listen, you guys, I know that it's like obvious and and everyone like knows Harry's the hottest fucking most sexual being. But like, I literally did hear like that being around him is like he is that like energy. Like he's the guy you break up your family for. You know what I

mean? Like he has that. He has that. And there's just like a certain like phase in your life where you want to do that. But I feel like Jason is so like, I don't know. I think I would say yeah, but baby you're not alone. Like I put up a poll yesterday and it was like, I mean, it was like 75% Jason. Harry is like your fever dream when you're 17 and you like go away for the sum with your parents, you know, like Jason is like the real deal. And he looked good. He had like a glow up. He looked good. He was looking so good and we're not. I see. I've always thought he was like, I've always had, like, you know, a little thing for Jason Sudeikas. He's very cute and funny.

And funny. I like a funny guy. Like, literally. Funny just elevates it to a whole other level. Yeah. So it hasn't dropped. Like, we're recording this now and there's going to be the trailer later today. But did you see that Netflix announced a Brittany documentary that's kind of

coming out? I saw the teaser for it yesterday. I'm very, very, very excited to watch. And hopefully this saga comes to an end. Yeah. I wonder, A, I wonder if this is Project Red that she's been talking about. And I wonder, like, if she, like, we want to support her, right? Like, not everyone making money on her behalf when exploiting her situation. Absolutely. I would love to know. First of all, we don't even know. Maybe they interview her. I don't fucking know. Like, we don't know. Like, we don't know what's going to be. So I'm very excited, but I also want to make sure that she's okay. What do you think of her boyfriend? Which, like, I just posted this morning. he's become kind of like silly on Instagram. He posts like funny shit. He's very self-aware,

which I feel like you would like because you're very self-aware. You know what I mean? Like he knows his position. Okay, you're making a face. Everyone doesn't say maybe. You're like, I don't know. I feel like he knows his position.

He knows who he's engaged to. He knows what people think. And he's not pretending that he doesn't know. He's like, I know that you know. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean,

obviously he's been there for her and if Brittany's happy we're all happy and I like that he was like yeah guys we're going to get a pre-nup like relax like that kind of I was like that's very endearing and I appreciate that but as a general rule of thumb because I've lived in L.A. and I work in TV

I'm just like very suss of actors in general and like I just especially in actors trying to make it in L.A. like again not saying anything. I don't I don't like obviously know him personally and and they've been together for a long time now. So I'm sure he's very genuine and genuinely love her for so long through like that.

Well, that's the thing. And she hasn't had any, any freedom or anything like that. So like that speaks like the proof is in the pudding. Right. But just I have my own personal reservations about like just acts as in general just because it's the things that I've seen and I've experienced. And the thing is you probably know so much shit too because I'm not an actor. and even I know, you know, things that all of y'all don't know that happen in Hollywood that

you're like, no, Hollywood is the fucking worst. Like everyone fucking, like, it's, it's, it's, it's a scary place to be in a relationship to, you know, it's like a wild thing. So I can imagine why you, you know. I just, again, like, this isn't a, this is not a reflection of him or like how he represents himself. He seems like he's, his hot is in the right place. And like, also who the fuck am I? like, oh, well, you know, Brittany, or I don't, I don't know shit from Clay. You know what I mean? I don't

know anything. I just know what's on Instagram. But I just, in general, like me personally as myself, I just have like reservations. But not about him, but just about, you know, just that whole LA actor thing in general. But it's not really anything to do with him or because of anything he's done. That's just from my own experience. I just like, keep one eye open. But if she's happy, that's amazing. And how exciting to be engaged. It's the best time. I love. love that. I love love. I know. But yeah. And then we're excited. And then she puts a post that it's like obviously not from now. And then we go down that whole spiral hole again. And it's like, who can keep up? And we all just really hope that she's okay. And then you wonder about him because you're like, wait. But sometimes, you know, you're like, what, what's the part that you play in all of this? Yeah. He seems like he's an amazing support for her. And I can imagine being in her position for so long and and feeling track. is a very isolated feeling and so I'm sure you know having him there for her is is the best support she could she could want she could need because when your own family is like trying to

make money off you and keep you tracked and just like fucked up legal grouphole so they can keep paying for their lives like that's how do you how do you trust anyone so the fact they've been together for so long I'm sure he's an amazing support for them yeah so let's be positive let's be optimistic about it no I'm very optimistic yeah my like I said like my reservation don't have anything to do with like anything he said or done. It's just like my own experience in general. It's hard to like separate from the things that I've seen and know about that. But there's outliers, you know, like I don't think I'm a selfish like, you know, user.

Yeah. But I'm an actor that's lived in LA. So again, people could have that perception of me from the things that they've been through. Do you like, do you prefer living like in L.A., New York or like where you're at now in Atlanta? L.A. is fun. I don't, I don't know. I think if I was ever going to live there, I would like have a family and like a house out of the city. You know what I mean? I don't think I would want to live like in LA. LA. I think it would feel too consuming like living and the industry being there and everything. Like I like to have more balance. So I enjoy living in Atlanta right now and coming to New York and things like that. It's like makes me feel like I'm a person with my own life and my own things going on. So I don't like get sort of sucked up and like, oh, what's this actor doing? And I didn't get that. I didn't know. Just having more balance. Totally. I can so imagine, like, living there being in that, like, kind of pressure cooker.

So when, when is Dynasty on what days of the week? You play Kirby. It's on Friday. I play Kirby. It's on Fridays, but it's going to drop on Netflix from the 9th of October. Oh, my God. Then I can finally binge. Yeah. Season 4 is dropping on the 9th of October on Netflix everywhere in the world. Oh, that's exciting. Yeah, it's coming around very soon. Awesome. But now it's on the CW every Friday. Yeah. Yeah, this Friday, two episodes aired back to back from 8 to 10, two episodes.

And then next Friday is the finale on the 1st of October, I think. Yeah. And when do you go back to shooting? Do you know? Well, the stage on the 6th of October, we have to be back in Atlanta. But I don't know if you've seen anything about like the union strike or anything that's going on. Oh, so there's all the film crew have their own union, which is all the people like hair makeup and literally. everyone that isn't a producer or a director or an actor and that union the i a tc has been negotiating

with all the studios because the contract expired and then they've been negotiating and the studios haven't been you know coming to the table and meeting what they're asking for so they might strike so if they strike uh and they haven't like done a strike since the world war two it's been a long time so this is very historic like and the whole industry is like behind the strike so I don't know what's going to happen. If we strike, we might not be back at work that quickly. It might take a couple more weeks, but we'll see what happens. Okay, Madison.

Well, crazy. Never a dull day and never a dull day on your Instagram or on your TikTok, which, by the way, I fucking reposted one of your shit with the accountant still in my fucking head. Oh, my God. So much. That went pretty viral. Like, a lot of people started following me because they know from the show. And so it was my co-star Raphael.

I was like, oh, my God, I was so cute. I post a lot of random stuff on my thing. So it was, it was so good and I just so got it. Even though it was it started as like a sex worker thing and then it became like an actor thing, but I also took it was like, you know, it's just so fucking annoying to try to tell people

what you do. So just fucking tell them you're an accountant. Like what do I do? Like what do I do? I don't fucking know. In an Uber in Uber where I was like, hey, so what do you do for what? And you're like, oh, I have a podcast like I'm a lawyer. I, I, I, I, and that I relate to that so much because my whole life, even when I work not in this, like, I've had odd jobs. Like, and I don't want to tell you my odd job. It's like random as fuck. And I'm doing it to just like make money. So like it doesn't define me.

Yeah. Madison, you're amazing. You are gorgeous and you're so fun. And I'm so happy you finally came on. So everybody go follow Madison. And what? Madison was two days. Matt is very sweet. Thank you. Of course. I love you. Thank you so much for coming on and talking with me. I'll see you in the DM. Thanks for having me. I'll see you in the DMs. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat.

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