Not Skinny But Not Fat - The Cringiest Bachlorette Episode of all time w/ Kate Casey

Episode Date: October 27, 2020

Fellow sarcastic, cynical and reality TV loving podcastress, Kate Casey, joins me in recapping the second episode of the shit show that is this season of the bachelorette, and also the cringiest episode of all freaking time. Kate has an inside scoop about Clare and what the producers thought of her. Kate also shares she had stupid Max on her podcast when he was dating Demi, and gives us the creepy (Andrew Cunanan vibes) lowdown on what he was like.  Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Your first great love story is free when you sign up for a free 30-day trial at audible.ca slash Wondery. That's audible.com. The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny, but Not Fat, and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now. that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny, but not that. Can I just tell you guys that? I'm really, really, you know, real on Instagram and I show you guys everything the good and the bad about life and having a baby. But to podcast, like to be here right now is like really hard.

Like, let me complain. hashtag like annoying people problems because listen I have my sister and my mom in the building and my husband worth those nipples and it's still like I need to podcast I need quiet I can't have Noah in the vicinity I need him out of the house which is like a weird situation to be like kicking out your newborn right but that's what needs to happen so basically I have my husband take Noah order my mom's order my sister but it's so it's so crazy because and it's still stressful for me like you'd think that would make it some like whatever can just like do my thing no I'm still like what's happening when did I feed him

will he be okay is he crying will they be able to calm him down like the three people that exist in the building and I can't even think about people that you know so many people don't have any help and are like alone and make it work I mean single fucking mom's make it work. So it's just so crazy how to podcast became such a harder task for me. But at the same time, it is, you know, really important to me to bring you guys a new episode every week and to continue what I was doing before. And that's what I always kind of planned too, which I think I said a lot on Instagram was like, even before. It's so weird. And it's scary because I kind of knew what I was going to be like both pregnant and as a mom and usually we plan and God laughs

and this time like it almost scares me that it's happening the way I kind of envisioned it like I always thought I would be well no I thought I would be super annoying pregnant and I actually surprised myself that I was like less annoying than I thought I would be and I also thought I would be like super anxious pregnant that everything would be horrible and I was actually like oh wait how are you not but with having a baby like i always said like i want to keep on doing the things that are important to me like i didn't finish you know achieving what i want to achieve in life and i kept on you know convincing myself that having a baby wouldn't hinder that that it would kind of even maybe bring blessing i don't know if it's like a jewish thing and noah actually did bring you know

a blessing and i feel like things even started moving more in my career or whatever. So, I don't know. It's just a weird thing because, like, I remember making jokes and saying that when the baby comes, I'm going to be on Instagram over his fucking head and, like, storying. And that's exactly what's happening. I mean, I'm freaking talking over his head all day and he sleeps. I was going to say, like a baby, but actually like a baby, which is crazy because I know, I don't know. It's kind of sappy, but it's true because I was like, wait, that's what I planned. I told myself I wouldn't, you know, stop doing what I loved.

I wouldn't put things aside and just be go-go-go-gaga all day. And I'm hoping that I'm doing a good job at balancing it. And most of all, I always wonder, I look at knowing. I'm like, does he feel lucky? Like, does he feel lucky that, you know, were his parents and that I'm his mom? And, you know, I'm sure as much as I love to compliment myself and say that I'm fucking amazing, sometimes you can be like, wait, am I like a good mom? Does he feel like he's lucky?

But anyway, I just wanted to say that because I want you to preach, okay? Because being here right now is like a whole fucking production that, you know, before having a baby, it's like literally, oh, what is recording a podcast? Literally, you know, I can start talking whenever I want to and schedule based on my own schedule. And now there is so much more involved in every single thing that you do. that just want to make you aware so you hashtag appreciate. Today I'm going to have a really cool guest. Her name is Kate Casey. She has a podcast called Reality Life with Kate Casey where she talks a lot about the stuff that we talk about, which is obviously reality TV, Bravo shows,

blah, blah, blah, entertainment. Her dry sense of humor is like even more than me. Like she's more cynical and sarcastic than I am. I like sometimes don't even get it. She also has a gazillion kids. so I'm really interested in hearing how the fuck she podcasts with like five fucking children. But we're going to recap the second episode of The Bachelorette, which was a fucking shit show hashtag cringe emoji. So, yep. Kate, Casey, everyone. Woo!

I was just giving an intro about you. And I said the following things. I said you have a gazillion kids and somehow you still podcast, which I need to figure. out how you do it. Two, that you have, that you're more sarcastic than me even. Probably, yes. And your sense of humor is so dry, I sometimes, it even goes over my head.

That's, that was my intro, just so you know. I love it when you post things and you go, I'm that petty. Those are my favorites. Because I'm so petty. I totally relate to that. I know, because we, we podcasted, I think, maybe like a year ago. right when we met and first of all two things happened we were talking so much shit about the season was it peters season peters yep we were talking so much shit about it i loved how like sarcastic you

were about it how we were going off on everyone on all those you know bitches being there for getting famous on instagram and shit loved it and then we talked for an extra like i don't remember like half an hour at the end which i wish i could do today but i probably will have to go to my baby But basically you were trying to convince me to have a baby. That is true. And I feel like I was successful. And then I was concerned and bewildered when the baby was not named after me. Although you did have a boy and you are Israeli.

So it's probably never going to be Kate. Right. But it is you because you said you were like, A, because I asked you, I was like, how do you watch all this TV? And you're like, and I loved how you said it. You were just like, it's watching TV. Like I'm not like doing surgery. Yeah. And everybody watches.

TV. That's what I'm always I laugh at when I meet someone and they say, I'm just so busy. First of all, you're not busy. No one's that busy to watch television. I just don't have time for that. I'm like, whatever. If I were in your house, I'd list

for you all the shows that you watch. So everyone makes time for television. Television's a great escape for everybody. It's not that big of a deal. I think for some people they think it makes them sound less academic, less sophisticated. I submit to you that people who watch

an enormous amount of television, especially ones as a child like I did, are more sophisticated because they can talk about a multitude of issues and relate to people in a way. Like, if I meet somebody who is, like I just watch the Netflix show

Deaf You, which is about people that are hearing impaired who go to Gallaud at university. And now I feel like I'm armed with all this new information. For example, I didn't know that 90% of kids that have hearing loss are born to hearing parents. I'm armed with information now.

I meet somebody who's deaf. I'm like, I watch deaf you. I'm totally way more interested than I ever have been in that pocket of the world. So people who just brag about how they work all the time and then they spend time with their children are really missing out on the rest of the world. But don't you love how there are people that are like, I don't even like watch or like I don't even have cable, but they like watch everything on Netflix on their laptop.

It also makes them sound cooler. It's like, no, it's actually the same. Or people that say, I don't even have cable. I never watch TV. But then they spend all their time on Instagram. So it's like, that's another version of reality television. You're just, you're being voyeuristic because you're looking into other people's highlight reels of their lives.

It's like my kids love to watch YouTube. That's their thing. They know the ins and outs of all these families that live in different parts of the country who spend their time opening gifts. That's their reality television. That's so interesting. And the deaf thing, deaf you, definitely want to check it out because I actually know, which is crazy. I know two girls personally that are my age. Both of them went to my high school that had babies that that were born deaf and had to do, it's called like, I think, cochlear implants. They got cochlear implants. But what's interesting is that on deaf you, they talk about how if you, by the way, I went to college down the street from Gallaudet where, it's So it's kind of like Laguna Hill or Laguna Beach or like it's like a coming of age story, like real world, but set at a school that happens to be for people that are hard of hearing.

So I want to watch. One of the things that was interesting was they're saying within the school, they're called the elites, like the elite group. And they're people that were born to deaf parents. So they grew up speaking or learning ASL, which is American Sign Language, as children. So that people who were born to hearing parents and then learn. to sign later they're not considered the elites that's like a window into a world that we never knew about until this thing came out and it's and it's executive produced by one of the most

gorgeous men that I've ever walked the earth Niles um I forget his last name right now but he anyway he won dancing with the stars freaking look him up he was the one the death contestant he won the whole show he also won America's next top model or something like that he's absolutely gorgeous he's like dark haired with very light blue eyes Eyes so gorgeous. Niles, N-Y-L-E-S. Yeah. So he's, he executive produced it because he said working in the entertainment industry, people are sort of, they're like confounded by his ability to be on shows like dancing with the stars, et cetera, while having a hearing issue. And so it was his idea to open the world to the world of the hearing impaired. So anyway. So everyone, freaking stop. TV is amazing. Find the time. Like I don't care. That's what I say. said about, and I brought you on because I did want us to talk shit about this season of The Bachelorette. And this is what I said in my recap of the first episode, because we're going to talk about

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I release new episodes every Thursday. So hope to see you there. So you're watching, right? Oh my God, of course. Now, going into it wasn't totally jazzed on Claire. And I am somebody who... Are you ever jazzed on anyone? Well, I don't know.

Maybe. I don't not... This show, like, there's a level... And now I'm not even being funny. Like, are we ever jazz about a contestant? We're like, yeah, Colton is the bachelor. Well, I was in the earlier days because, like, the first season, you had Alex Michelle, who was this Harvard-educated management consultant.

And you're like, okay, I can get down with that. Like, this is somebody college-educated who's worked in a professional environment. And they're at a point in their life where, like, I'd love to really meet somebody. And as stupid as that sounds on paper, you know, you thought to yourself, well, they've lived a little bit of a life. So over the years, they just recycle people that have already been on the show because in their minds, they're like, well, they already have all these Instagram fans and Bachelor Nation helps with the ratings. So we're just going to pick somebody from the bucket. But that's usually somebody who's maybe 24 years of age. So when they say things like, I've looked everywhere and I'm so alone, I'm not able to find somebody out there in the world. And you're like, you just got out of college. Like you didn't even had a real job yet. So it's really nauseating. And you see people that are contestants who are like substitute teachers who then gave up their job. It's like you're not really giving up that much because it was already a part time job gig anyway. And you had already gone to

school for theater with the hopes of hosting a show. So this is not like a real stretch. Now, if you said to me, I was working at a corporate law firm and I was in mergers and acquisitions and I thought to myself, there's no way I'm going to meet somebody because I see the same associates every day and the paralegals aren't that attractive. So I'd like to leave Milwaukee and put myself on a television show where I don't have to look at my phone, read a book or watch a TV program, and focus solely on my self-growth and the possibility of being with the person that I saw in television who I find to be incredibly attractive. And if I get in fights with people who I have to live in a dorm with in a pottery barn style bunk bed in some mansion, then that's what I have to do. But I need to explore this part about myself because I will not feel like a fulfilled adult if I don't. But do you think we have anyone like that? That sounds amazing. Do we know anyone like that?

Like not from earlier seasons? Not really anymore because they keep recycling the same 24-year-olds. Now, they said with Claire, we're going to change things up and we're going to take Claire. Well, okay, that's not what we were saying, folks. We were saying get somebody older. We were not saying get somebody older who's a hairdresser from Sacramento who's also been on six different spin-offs of this show because what that says to me is she doesn't take this seriously she just wants to be on television

because it helps her promote she probably does a lot of hair and makeup probably for people in town. I actually heard from people in Bachelor Nation like from I think Ashley I said and I don't know why I believed her she was like Claire is actually one of the ones that isn't in it for like Instagram followers

and I don't know why I like believe that because I felt like she is isn't, like you were saying, out of college, 20-something, looking to have an Instagram career. Yeah, but she might actually be looking. But she's still a monster. And Ashley, I can, any, while I love and enjoy profusely, she's so deep into the Bachelor Kool-Aid that I don't think she has the wherewithal to see, like, in her mind, she's like, well, there don't go to, like, all the, the events that we go to.

And she doesn't show up at everyone's wedding. She doesn't necessarily want to come on my podcast. she still wants the fame that comes with being associated with the show. And I submit to you my evidence. She shows up and by the second episode, she's pissed because the contestants don't stand up and make a big deal out of her because she likes being on the show

and having all these producers do things for her and tell her that she's the greatest woman that walk the earth and how would anybody want to be with anybody else. So the fact that they're like not jazzed about her and not standing up and like throwing themselves at her, she had already been compromised by the time she showed up at La Quinta. Let's talk about the cringiest 20. No, there were, I can't pick one.

The moment where they're all sitting having a convo and she's like, so, like, how's everyone? They're like, good. She's like, great. So. And they're like, yeah, bro. And then she's like, no one, no one's going to call me or take me. That was so uncomfortable. But I was like, I was proud of them.

I was proud of those men because I think that COVID-19 was a good thing for many reasons. And one of them is that they're broken down so much by the loss of a job, the loss of their ability to go to a bar and make out with a woman out of a one-night stand, to see their fraternity brothers, their friends in the neighborhood, that it takes a lot to get them excited about something. And even though this woman is the only single woman available at La Quinta Resort, They can't even, they can't even fake enough enthusiasm to make this girl think that she is like the, the woman that they all have strived their whole life to find. They didn't even put the work in because I just think it has beaten us all down.

It's like, you better have the body of Jojo and the personality of, I don't know, Emily Maynard to really blow my hair back. But you're just not bringing your A game. I think they could also feel very early on that she had become not only a monster because I have inside sources who've worked on The Bachelor of the season that said she was god-awful, just treated people like shit.

I think they could see part of her had become a monster early on that she was just like thinking that she was the shit. But I also think that they could tell early on that she and Dale had obviously been in communication before the show aired.

So they were like, you know, in normal day-to-day life, I would have put the effort in and been like a typical 24 year old male bachelor contestant who's like, I'm in this to win this. I'm going to win this show because that means I can be on the cover of magazines and I can get a hosting job and I can get all these endorsement deals. I think it's a lot of guys who were a little bit older and they were like being an Instagram star is not the beginning or ending of my life because they were over a certain age where it was like it wasn't like It wasn't a make it or break it for their career.

And also they were just like, I'm fucking tired, man. It's been, I've been through COVID for weeks. And I just can't fake it. They haven't only been to COVID for weeks. They had to quarantine at their own home. Then they had to fucking quarantine at La Quinta. And I talked about this on the last episode about Benoit. Did you see that they cut his part from the first episode?

No. What was the part? So what happened? So remember Winner Games, which they failed to mention in the intro for Claire. That she was engaged in. They literally left out her last thing, which was Winter Games and an engagement to Psycho Benoit, who was like crazy obsessive over her. But was he psycho?

That's what I'm thinking too. Because it's been brought to my attention by several people that maybe she's the problem. And I think that there's a point to that given the way she talked to some of the contestants. last night. Maybe Benoit, in retrospect, wasn't that bad. He was just a nice French Canadian who wanted to meet somebody who was age appropriate. And maybe once the show ended, he realized this woman's bad shit crazy because she seems to be the threadline when she turned around and said, the reason this 39-year-old Bachelorette has been single is so I don't have to deal with men like that. I thought, I actually think you're the crazy one. She, I mean, A, there is a bit of

crazy like going on in the face like you can tell when someone's like a little bit I was happy obviously like most of us when they named a bachelorette who is of appropriate age where when she says I haven't met anyone or I'm ready to settle down and have babies you're like yeah that yeah we get it when when you know Hannah G would say it you're like I don't get it way but then again sometimes we are proven wrong because Hannah G and Dylan freaking barber whatever the fuck are going really strong. And, you know, pilot Pete ended up with lawyer Kelly. So as much as we can be as cynical, as sarcastic and as, you know, whatever about this. Couples do come out of batonation. We can't, we can't forget that, you know? Or if somebody beats somebody who's a

crew member and they have a relationship, that makes sense to me too, because it's inevitable if you're working on a set and you're, you know, you're ripe for a relationship that maybe sometimes you, you know, turn and you see the grip guy and you're like, that guy's kind of hot. So I didn't think that that's good. Yeah. So you do think that they did bring men that were a little bit more like in it to like maybe meet someone and not to be like an Instagram model. Oh, I think so for sure.

I think that they did choose guys that do seem a little bit more. appropriate. They were less douche recent frat guys. So I think they did a good job on that. I just think in their attempt to be even like to appease the throngs of people that I've said you're picking people too young that I think they even went too old. Because my husband sat down and he goes, what is this the senior tour? Like what's going on here? What? But she's 39. What do you want them to bring her like 25 year olds? No, I think that the appropriate age for the bachelorette is probably given Okay, here's an example. John Paul Jones, a friend of mine,

he's been on Bachelor and Paradise Bachelor, he told me that the most of the majority of DMs that he gets are from like 16, 17-year-olds. The age of the Bastor Nation, the majority of people that watch it are quite young. So I think that that means the number, the age number of the people that are probably best suited to make everybody happy is probably like between 30 and 32.

Wait, so you're saying like bachelorette-wise, like maybe they went a little bit too high. I think they went too high. I think they did. I mean, I don't even think that's that she, okay, so her, she's confusing because part of her feels like savage to me, right? I'm like, okay, she comes in. She knows what she wants. She's like in your face. When there was like shit the first episode, she brought two of the guys.

She's like, figure it out. Bye. She's like, whatever. She's like, call me aside, bitches, you know, all this shit. But at the same time, like, we have to, if we're not trying to believe the rumor that her and Dale were communicating before, then it's obviously psycho of anyone to see someone for the first time and say, that person, I'm going to marry this person. Well, I also heard from my insight source who actually worked on set that that was a total shock to everybody. When she said that, they were all confused. When she said, I just think I met my husband, they were all like, wait, what are you talking about?

And that's why Chris Harrison walks out And he's like, did we just hear that right? Like what's going on? It's because it was a total shock to them too. She's a total, I was trying to explain this to my husband last night because he's like, huh, what's going on? She's a rule breaker. She didn't follow the rules.

They requested don't communicate with any of these, you know, these contestants because it compromises the purity of the show. And we're all laughing as I say that. But in their minds, it's the purity of the show. She shows up, these dudes come out of a limo. And then she kind of goes on this journey to find if any of them are a right. fit. But it compromises the purity of the show if for weeks you've been DMing and like this is my grandma and this is because some of my struggles. Wait, so do you think she's been DMing people?

I thought, yeah. I think she was DMing. People have said it. She was DMing with him in the weeks before the show began. So that's why when he shows up. Yeah, but what they're saying is that the only person that broke the rule and DM'd her was Blake Moin, Moinar or something. The pesticide guy. the animal control guy. Dale was. Dale was definitely talking. That's why she was like, hey. But I'm saying that's, that's the, the rumor is about Dale, but what they said

flat out on the show was that Blake checked in on her about her mom. Well, they may have said that on the show to say face, but the fact is, Dale and Claire had a relationship before they started filming. You think? I don't know. Listen, I like to be, I'm like, until confirmed, I like you know what I mean like I don't know I don't want to believe that it's like so fucked up you know what I mean I want to believe that this is like as real

you think it makes sense that she could have you it makes sense too because all these guys are getting out of the limo and she's like uh-huh great to meet you sure sure sure sure whatever get inside thanks for the t-shirt then he gets out of the limo and she's like and she's like shaking she looks like she's going to through a pre-orgasm. She's like crying. She's shaking. And then he like talks to her. She holds him. She's like, oh my God. It's the culmination of weeks of talking to somebody. It's like a catfish, but it's not a catfish. She's like, oh my God, it is you. You're real. And then she's, it's like this reassurance to one's self. Like he is everything that I thought he was. Now we can finally be together. But do you buy his shit? Like I feel like, I don't when he's like Claire like I'm on cloud nine I'm like you're like reading a text like I don't you're not on cloud nine oh no yeah yes I think you're absolutely correct do I think he is in this to win it no do I think they're going to be married and live in Sacramento absolutely not I think he played the game he was like a model adjacent I don't know he calls himself a model but I think everybody calls himself a model we went to school with girls that were like I'm a model I'm like you're not modeling for anything this guy wants to like re-enernerner

this career he like played football or something he was a model and I think he's that's what his thing is because Claire has a history of being making boneheaded decisions about the guys on these shows she falls in love with every single person this is my guy this is I just want love she's not the best decision maker she's got a bad poker so he it's not going to work on an Instagram he did an Instagram Q&A like a few weeks ago and I looked at it and someone asked asked him what his like goals are in the next five years and his rant about that I was like yep no because when you start talking about your brand and you're trying to get your brand and you're this like that's it like it's like if you know work at like you said a law firm you are

you know a graphic designer you are whatever then I can buy it you know what I mean if you're saying how you're trying to get your brand going and you want to be a host, which I think he even said, which I just cringe because, oh, my God, then it doesn't work. Then I'm, then I don't freaking believe you. If you're trying to be a host and a model, you're trying to further your career and it's fucking bullshit. And again, like, he is 31. He's a hot, self-proclaimed. Hey, he's actually not self-proclaimed.

He models for so many things. Is he hot, though? he might he's very like impressive you know like he walks in a room i'm sure you're like whoa his like eyes he's very tall kind of looks like an avatar oh he does that's well put yes i feel like he belongs he looks like a european or like a south african model like a but he he is a different look he shows up on so many things kate like i was looking for a diaper bag he was the diaper bag male model. Are you kidding? No, yeah. Look the company up. They're called like Dagnay Dover. Oh, I know them. Yeah. So he's he's he I'm like looking at the bag I want. It's like Dale, like legit. And then since then a lot of my followers have been sending me. So he does get like catalogy.

But maybe he doesn't want to be a catalog model. Maybe he's like the catalog I've done it. I really want to propel myself into another stratosphere. I don't want to be in a diaper bag. God bless the guy. He has. Well, at least we don't know he has any children. That's kind of a bummer. Wouldn't you say to call your friends from high school and say, what are you doing now? Well, I'm in like diaper bag ads. That's kind of like emasculating. Listen, I went off on a whole thing in the last episode about how they're all retired from the NFL. Like, I don't get it.

I could probably read more about it and like understand what it means. Because a lot of them that are retired, they haven't been like frontline NFL players. They've been like, they're like all sorts of. things that we probably don't know about. But I think all these guys that are retired from the NFL, like what are you going to do with your life? Like what, like Colton opened a foundation or whatever, which is great. But like, no, you want to be a host. Well, a friend of mine who works for works for NFL films text me and said, I know the guy. She said he's from Irvine, which is like a couple towns over. But on the TV show, it says Newport Beach. It's like saying you're from

Manhattan, but you're actually from Staten Island. you're like, why would you lie? It's such a dumb thing to lie about. But anyway, she said, oh, yeah, he was a player. And now he's on the bachelor. I said, why is he on the bachelor? And she said, oh, he's just trying to, like, get a real. So that's why they're all doing it.

They want to be like, they want to be either actors or they want to get a job as like a commentator. Like, that's like the other post job, you know, post. Right. Right. So, you know who did it though? And for some reason, it works for me. Again, because we can be cynical about it, but there's some things that work.

Joe and Jordan. Brilliant. Jordan was an ex-NFL player or something player. Yep. And he's now a sports broadcaster.

I suspect he's a hustler. I think that guy actually worked really hard. They're both hustlers. Yeah, I think they work hard. So I would put him in the category of you surprised me. Well done, sir.

Like, you know, most of them, I'm like, not surprising your piece of shit. That, those two, I'm like, good for them. But why didn't they got married? for doing. I need to know. Is he, aside for making TikToks with Hannajee, like, what are you doing? I think that he goes to basketball courts, food courts of malls with his pegged pants. And he just waits for like 19 year old girls to just go, oh my God, it's you. Can I get a picture with you? I mean, at least Pilot Pete is like, you know, in a plane. Do you say driving planes? I'm like, I forget. You don't understand, Kate. No sleep for me.

it's like, how do you say it? Do you drink coffee, by the way? Yeah. Oh, not enough, obviously. Do you know, I've never, I've never had a cup of coffee before. And I, and I had all those kids. You know what you have to do is like workout midday. That's the only thing to wake you up. But listen, can you tell me how you say it? Driving a plane? Flying a plane. Flying a plane. They're pilots. Oh, my God. Flying a freaking plane. Okay. Pilot Pete is at least flying planes. You know what I mean? Like, we have. We have. have a few people to work with. But you're right. The hosting, if the guy would have said to me, you know, I really want to be a host. But again, like, let's go back to Hannah, Hannah Brown, who chose freaking Jed, Jed, who wanted to be, you know, a singer. I wonder sometimes, though, my policy as a former communication specialist is always to be totally upfront and honest. So let's say you had a contestant. They were like, you know, I worked in this industry, but I've always had this harbored this dream that I could work in television. And the truth is, I go to all these additions, but I also want a personal life. And I'm really not finding or meeting anybody. And

it would be great to meet somebody special. Like, if you just lay it all out for people so they don't have to do the due diligence and then go, wait a minute, you actually just want to be a host. You're using this girl. If you're up front about it in the way that you phrase it, you could save yourself the heartache and the headache of like social media people going, what's up, asshole? but they don't do that. So if they set it up, it would be fine. It's the dishonesty is where they get themselves into trouble, don't you think? Yeah, but I wonder, like, I feel like we don't see enough of those conversations.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't feel like I'm going back to Ben Higgins and Lauren Bushnell. Was she like, I'm, I used to be a stewardess, but I'm really looking to sell, you know, mascara. Like, she didn't say that. Well, or maybe she did and they were like, this is breaking the fourth wall too much. See, even the housewives, they've realized, especially in the last year, is there's a point at which you come to where you have to break the fourth wall. And Bastard Nation is so, it's been on too many seasons, much like the Housewives, where you have to break it down. So they have to say, as they do, they did Ambassador in Paradise last season.

They were totally breaking down the fourth wall. Well, this guy was hooking up with so-and-so off season because they were trying to make themselves more famous. They have to do that in the typical season, too. Yeah, oh, my God, and the Housewives. Andy did that in the Real Housewives of New York reunion. He did that up the wazoo. He was like, this producer did this. Bethany gave us a list of names. You know, we chose this.

No, it wasn't Tinsley who brought Leah. I was like, damn. But they have no choice because at a point where it just is, it's absurd. I remember I interviewed the director of Summerhouse. And he had said that the previous season, I had to break the fourth wall. Because in the beginning, they had jobs in the city and they were just, it was like the Hamptons were a respute. Like they were just coming and they were hanging out and then they went back to their real jobs. Well, that doesn't happen anymore.

These people, now their real job is to be on summer house. And the ancillary things like the energy drink is all byproduct of being on summerhouse. A lot of them lost their jobs because they were on summer house. So you have no choice but to break the fourth wall and lean into the new norm. So the bachelor has no choice. I do know that they were kind of happy that things combusted with Claire because they could bring in Tasia and it kind of gave it a new life because they had never had a situation like that where the where the person was like, I don't really want to date any of these dipsets and fake it anymore because I just want to be with this guy. It was kind of great. I'm wondering how exactly it's going to go down because it's a situation we never had before, right?

A, we know, you know, usually spoilers is only if you read, like, reality, Steve. Like, I always choose not to so I can, like, be surprised. This time, like, we all know that Claire ends up leaving and breaking, you know, all the roles and leaving with Dale. We also know, like, ABC put up that Tasha is going to be the new Bachelorette. We just don't know. Are they going to keep the same guys? And then how are those guys going to feed her the line of, like, I came here for you?

Well, that's, that is actually kind of great, though. because they've been able to keep it a secret. Like Chris Jenner just did an interviewer, she said, keeping up with the Kardashians couldn't last any longer because of social media. So people are no longer interested

or buying, watching an episode that happened four months ago because of social media accounts. We're keeping people up to date all the time. So there was a point where it became quite stale because Steve, reality Steve, would post like,

this is what happened in the dates well before the season even aired. So it was like, well, this is kind of like old information. Somehow they've been able, to keep this really, really secretive. So people are tuning in to go, holy shit, what happened with Claire? And what will these guys do?

And I think that they're also interested because we've seen people that kind of like eat it all the time. Like, I'm going to pretend I like this person because I want to extend my time on the show. Or I don't really like the situation that I'm in, that I'm like the third person in line to go on a date. And I might go to a fantasy suite with somebody who's just like, you know, slept with someone and they've barely even aired out their vagina. but I have to eat it because it's for the sake of the show.

Now this season, it's like people, these guys are like, fuck this. I'm not sitting around when she's in love with somebody else. And yeah, you know what? I am pissed production because you brought me in here and I'm supposed to be into this girl

and she's not into me at all. And now you're going to bring in somebody new. Well, what if I don't like them? So I think it's kind of great and it's going to play out pretty well because it gives new life to the show, breaks down the fourth wall. And I think people get pretty bored

of whomever the best. bachelor or bachelorette is in at least three episodes in pilot pete we were like oh my god another episode where he talks about it he loves country line dancing like i'm over this guy and it only got interesting where he picked seven different women like when he was like mattie no hannah ann no mattie no hannah ann no kelly but i mean all and all now looking back i'm like he is such a nerd and like i again i can be cynical but but at the end of the day i didn't see him in is like how nerdy he really is. And now when he posts photos with Kelly and they're like hugging, like they're going

to prom, they're like so nerdy and they're so dweeby. I like it. I like it together. But then I also, you kind of get into that kind of like, like cheesy destiny thing. Because we never were really given the true story of how those two met. We were told that they met in the hotel lobby. Don't you always meet someone in a hotel lobby and remember them? No.

And then sign up for the show that they're on as The Bachelor. Give me a break. I do feel like they will cop to that, but not for another five years when their NDAs run out or, you know. So then they're going to go, well, we actually, like, we're in cahoots, blah, bitty blah. But I think that it's great they ended up together. I think that they will embrace them because for the sake of all, they ended up with each other because of the show in some capacity. So it works out for them. the little bring her back with like Trista and Ryan and all that stuff for years and years to come.

But I think they were meant to be together the whole time. Yeah, I think it might. Yeah. I love saying on Instagram like, you know, when I talk about couples like Anwar and Duolipa, I'll be like, yeah, but they won't get married. It's like so obvious with these couples that are like so in love and so obsessed. I'm like, yeah, yeah, they're not going to get married. Side note, when you post all that stuff about Max, you know that I had him on my show and he was such a weirdo. He was like, you can't ask me anything about Demi.

Wait, when did you, you had him after they got engaged? No, it was right before they got engaged. So when they were already dating? They were dating. Yeah, he came on my show. Oh my God. So he was so weird about it. He was like, you can't ask me. And then I asked him, do you want to do a review? Because he told me, it's really important for me to talk about my music. And it was like, I was doing a friend, a favor by having him on, which is like, this whole thing hilarious. Like, okay. Because he was like a soap actor, opera actor who started to date at this like pop star, but they like, they would take pictures, but not really. It was like the beginning phases. So he said, my music's very important to me. I'm going to be putting out an album. I'm like,

I want to shoot myself. So I said, why don't you review the voice? Therefore, you could put in, like, talk about how you're a musician too. And I get, I got the feeling it was somebody who like sang in the shower and it was like, I'm a songwriter. And it's like, you didn't go to Berkeley School of Music. Who are you kidding? So he says, I cannot under any circumstances talk about the voice because of Joe Jonas. Like he went bonkers on me. Like, I cannot, you don't understand.

I cannot do anything having to do with Joe Jonas. It was like, it was my impression that he was terrified of her. He didn't want to bring her up because he was afraid that she would be upset. and he couldn't acknowledge anything having to do with Joe Jonas because Joe Jonas triggers her in some way all these years later and if he was going to upset her if he even mentioned having to do anything having to do with the show that he was on. Demi and Joe Jonas have something real weird going on.

Wait, Demi and Joe Jonas have something weirder than Demi and her boyfriend of 20 years, Wilmer, Valderrama. Yes. Something happened between those two. That is, I don't know what happened, but she's triggered by him. She would not want Max to do anything that had to, that touched on him at all. It was like under no circumstances. So it was like, what the hell am I going to talk to you about? You can't talk about her. Could you talk about Demi at all? No. Those were the ground rules. I can't talk about Demi and I can't talk about Joe Jonas. Okay. How did you fucking. So, yeah, it was like, young and the wrestling. It was like men. It was like men. mental gymnastics. So I had him review American Idol. And it was like one of the seasons where it was just horrible. You know, like there was nothing there. And he's pontificating about like music and songs and singing from the heart. And then at the end. Was he talking like he does in the stories?

Oh, you're damn right. So then at the end I said, well, like, what are you working on? He's like, well, I'm working on music. And you could say, I mean, I don't remember the exact phraseology, but it was something like, well, you could say that I'm in love. I'm like, and is this person special? Like, I'm trying to egg him on. He's like, well, yes, you could say that. And I am, I'm like, do you want to be a father? Do you want to get married? He's like, yes, yes, you could say, I've been thinking a lot lately about marriage and children and all the stuff. So then I get, like I post it, no one gives two shits. He never promotes it, of course, because most people are horrible human beings. So then I hear from my inside source friend that he was shopping or he was

calling around trying to get an engagement ring at a either. free or at an incredibly reduced fee. So then when they finally get engaged and their stories coming out, the ring was worth like a million dollars, I was like, she bought that shit herself or she was gifted it in exchange for some press. But I didn't care enough to see if it was mentioned where the ring came from. So this is what I think, okay, I like a celebrity, I won't say who, is obsessed with like the Max thing too.

And she was like, oh my God, Amanda, this is like so crazy, whatever. And she goes to me that she did a deep dive on the jewel. Oh, perfect. Okay, good. And she was like, I went hard in on this jeweler and she's like, and she sent me the Instagram of the jeweler and he's like a weirdo and a half. And she's like, I'm telling you, I have a really big hunch because I've worked with a lot of jewelers like in this town, whatever, that they did some sort of like, like agreement.

They did an agreement. I can confirm that. Yep. Like there's no way. no he had he had three cents marbles to rub together he was living with her he like moved in right away accidentally showing up on her live and then ruining our lives okay so then she in my opinion waited until he went off to do the movie now he's such a nutbag that he gets the movie job and he wants to fully he's like one of those like methodish actors who it's like a like a teeny tiny role in like an

a movie. I think he plays the pastor. So he's like, I'm going to be in like, I'm going to embody the character. So I'm going to read scripture. I'm like, okay, weirdo. I think she was like, let me wait until he's on a movie set and then I can quietly like cut the strings. Because if I had, if I break up with him and he's still home or around, he will not leave the property. Like he will suction cup himself to the side of the house. Like he's not going to go. So I think she waited until he left. And I think it was a pretty good strategy. A, that makes sense. but why did she date how do we do you know anything about like how he got to her via dms you think i think so i'm trying to remember i mean listen demi i mean listen everyone knows this by now

you you talked about trista before then it was like there was bachelor world and then there was like a list hollywood today everything is so mixed together that like pilot pete was like seen hanging out with like stasi baby and kiley and tyler c dated gjadid and like like, Demi Lovato is obsessed with Bachelor Nation. She became really close with Hannah Brown and Demi, not Lovato, whatever her fucking name is. So it's not as shocking as it used to be. Yes. Like, how did he side into her DMs?

Because she fucking probably reads her DMs. But he probably, he wasn't verified. So I'm wondering how he even sparked any. Yeah, I think that he probably DM'd her. I think he pretended to. be, I think he was like using the music thing to lure her in. Because I feel like with musicians, they want to be actors. And conversely, I think that actors want to be musicians. So she was probably like, oh, he's an actor. Like, this is something that I would like to explore more. And then he was like,

I just, I'm going to pretend I'm into music because I really just want to be with a girl that's really famous. So I can get something out of it. Well, that's. That's my thing. I'm wondering if he's actually spinning because he was so close to fame and he lost it. He is spinning because my friend who knows him said he's the kind of person that calls people 25 times a day. Like he like his, I'm telling you guys, he's Andrew Kunanan. He's Andrew Klanan from the Versace thing. And he scares me. And he's in New York. He looks like him with the hat. Yeah, he does. Having food thrown in his mouth at the Habachi, listen. But I do think that she's protected enough that she's going to go, oh, wow, I really dodge that crazy

bullet. There's no way. She's too famous for him to get anywhere near. She's probably so embarrassed. She's probably so embarrassed. And although now I'm looking back at like how, because I was thinking about the fact that like after he showed up in her live and after the engagement was announced, we were like, yeah, DM is engaged. But we never really cared about him because he from the get go didn't seem that interesting. So no one was like deep diving on him or cared. Oh, that's the other thing. All the stories that you read about him, he was the one calling the press. He's

the one. He was also going to Nobu with Demi and taking all these like couple photos that was so not Demi like to do. That was not her. It was him. He was the one that was doing all of that. Listen, three of my followers went to a restaurant in New York

last night. I don't know. You guys saw that I posted this, but I was shooketh mid like mid mid mid breastfeeding the middle of the night. I was like, oh, I love that. They DM to me. That's the best. Like after I probably bought something on Amazon that I already forgot what it is, I get this DM and it's like, Amanda, oh my God, we're at so-and-so really popular restaurant in New York. We thought we saw Max, but we weren't sure until he literally came up to us. After they saw him sitting by himself with a glass of red wine sulking, he came up to them and started talking to them and even said to them,

like, do you know Demi Levato? Like, of course he did. Literally. This is how embarrassing he is. He is, he is going to be a 65 year old man with a punch and skinny legs and he's going to talk about the moment that he was in love and love was lost and he was on the cusp of this big music career that they had planned to go on tour together and perform their love ballad. I think in his mind he was like, she is Blake Shelton and I am Gwen Stefani and we are going to take this show on the wrote. He actually made it with him. I just feel like there's something really, really off about this guy. I'm going to go with maybe once. Maybe like there was a half a time where he tried to poke around, but he didn't really know what he was doing. Listen, I know people, he went to this performing arts school in New York City. Not a shock. Right. And I know a lot of people that went there and they've also been, again, letting me know like, hey Amanda, I went to school with him. A, like, again, I'm very against outing people,

but they've told me that he was out, like, as he was gay and he went out with mostly dudes in high school. He could be bisexual. He could be pansexual. He could be he is. He might be, and that's okay. He might be. He might be. That's totally okay.

But I am 100% sure that he was using Demi. He wanted to get to fame. He didn't care who it was. He would date freaking Betty White. My impression was that he didn't really care a lot about her. It wasn't like, I love her. I want to be with her. It was like I love the proximity to fame.

I love what this will do for my career. And that to me was the problem. I feel like we haven't seen anything this crazy. And people are like, why are you so obsessed? Why am I so upset? Have you seen anything this insane? I think it's two things. I think we typically are accustomed to.

who, for some reason, thinking that a woman would do that. Like, she's in love with Brad Pitt and she's, like, cozying up. For some reason, maybe because historically, press stories kind of tend to paint people that way. And I also think he's so, he's so embarrassing in the way, like, he has no sense of how, like, dummy looks.

It's like getting worse over time. It's almost like he, he's really, like, getting a high off the attention he gets from we being in public. And instead of most people would go, this is embarrassing. I've got to stop. I think he's like, oh my God,

psyched. I'm on like, I'm in us this week crying. It doesn't matter because at least people know who I am. He knew, they shared his new song, but legit, you know how there's that thing where it's like people are laughing at you,

not with you? But he doesn't care because even when his new song, which by the way, isn't new and was on his Instagram from like 2019 and he just re put it out because now more people know him legit and he's introducing it as new even when outlets were picking it up they were kind of making fun of it like how thirsty he is yeah i think that what's what i think people are watching a monster and action and he doesn't have much power so we're amused by it we should all be glad that it's not somebody with any power because that would be scary because the the behavior is

very, very weird. It's concerning. Yeah, it is. It is. So again, and people from his high school were telling me, Amanda, he's always wanted to be famous. That was his number one goal. He would date anybody that had any, I think Sarah Hyland went to that school. So he was dating her as well. And there are just, no one is coming forth. Okay. And saying, no, you guys, Max is a really, you know, stand up. That's my point. Yeah. He doesn't seem,

he just seems. Yeah. He doesn't seem like a good person. That's really, it's really, I need to listen to that episode and see if he talks the way that he does in that live where he's like,

he literally put up an Instagram post, you guys, where he's like, guys, I'm bored. What do I watch on Netflix? Like, no, are you psycho?

Yeah. Are you psych? It's upsetting because she's such an accomplished person, and very talented, has worked so hard for this career that she's so deserved. She's had a personal struggle. And then you see this like this weasel come in and try to take advantage. And I think that's shitty. Listen, it is, I mean, consuming me.

But I do want to go back to the Bachelorette for a minute because we didn't talk about two. Oh, we talked about the first cringy moment, which was nobody came to get her. And in that moment, did you notice that then, I don't know, Zach C, I think was like, like, Claire, I'd love to take you. And then she was like, okay, Dale, like, legit, Zach C jumped up first, but somehow she ended up going off with Dale and then thanking him and going, thanks for, you know, taking me. And it's like, bitch, you asked him to take you.

Well, you have to consider this too. Normally, this stuff happens, but it's edited to give some mystery. So you're led to believe, like if this was a normal situation, we would have been led to believe that she was giving fairness. to all of these contestants equally. But the fact that they are airing her to look so badly two episodes in just proves to you how much they disliked her and how horrible she was. It must have been so.

That is the, I'm sorry, this is like the, this is your brilliance coming through right now. That is so true. Like I was thinking about it today and I even posted on my recap that the Zoom ins on Dale were out of this. It was always like they're in. Group date, zoom in on Dale. Dale's reaction. And also his reactions, if you look at the playback, it's like, I am so confident.

And it doesn't give a shit. Go out with Bennett and go look at his shoe collection. It doesn't matter because you and I both know I'm going home with you at the end of this. It's like he's just laughing at everybody. And I think that they probably, they were even more obnoxious in front of them. And they are just given us a snippet of it. They must have been so horrible for them to air it so early into the season. You're right.

They're not even trying to make her look fair. No. They're putting in all the parts where she's like, I really wanted to go to this thing for Dale. I really wanted to see how Dale would be in the blindfolded thing. I stole the blindfolding thing for Dale. Like, you're right. They're actually not even trying. Okay.

So the second moment, which we need to talk about Claire in that moment, because that moment was confusing to me because I don't know what to think. I want to see what you think. When she was sitting with a dude, Brandon, she was like, oh, my God, he was sweating bullets. It's like 130 degrees there. Plus, she's like interrogating him. She's like, so why did you come? And he's like, I saw you were a bachelorette. So I signed up, which is like the line that you, you know, should say.

And then she's like, yeah, why? Why did you want to? Because of me. What about me? And he's like that you're pretty and basically couldn't come up with anything else. She did not like that to say the least. She basically sent him home over it. She was like, you didn't Google me, motherfucker.

You didn't watch Juan Pablo's fucking season. So what do you think about that? Do you think she had a point? No, I thought she looked like an asshole. Most of these people on these shows are cast well before it's announced who the Bachelorette is. Right. So why do they say that they know who it is? I need to get, I need to get to the bottom of this.

Do they know or do they not know? I think there are a handful of people that are. so all about that person because they're a late casting. It was announced and you might have just like a few people that are like, oh my God, Claire, I have loved her ever since season three when she was dating Joe McGee or whatever it is. Like, I'm all about her. And they throw them in late casting and then they make a big deal out of it when it plays out because they want to give some mystery and create this story like they were destined to be

together because he saw her on television and he just. knew they should be together. The majority, 97% of these people were cast a year before that. So they have no idea who the casting person is. So this is my point. How can they say that? They're breaking the fourth wall because typically they would have never had Brandon say that or they would have never used it. He's like, uh, I just signed up for the show. This is how much they hate her because they're not even creating this illusion that she's this dreamy girl. They hate her so much. they're making sure that everyone points out. Why are you such an asshole and you expect all these things?

Kate, I'm like believing you. You're creating this story that you're not sure of. And it just sounds like the truth to me. Well, it is the truth because they, the reports are that she was like a diva. Like she was like a monster. I mean, listen, if you're going to, okay, Brandon was Schvitzin, okay? He was like, I felt it was so awkward. Like, A, if someone calls you beautiful, like that's enough for me.

Like, I don't need you at this point to tell me I'm brave. I'm smart. Like, you saw me. Well, I also think I remember that before that she threw a fit when they couldn't film because of COVID and that people were like, okay, this is beyond you. Like, we have to make all these arrangements. So they end up filming at Lakinta. The whole place is closed down. People like my friend had to leave their family for, I think he left home saying to his wife, like, I'm going to be gone.

for four weeks because they couldn't, they had to be so careful. They had to show up and quarantine before they film. So you imagine you've left your wife and kids. You're going to stay in Palm Springs and film all hours of the night, working your ass off, not leaving your job because you have to stay on the resort where all the filming is. Then this woman comes in.

You've already known, she's thrown a fit saying, what do you mean you can't film? Like, I'm supposed to be The Bachelorette. And then shows up and then treats you all like dog shit. You'd be like, I'm not helping this girl out either. Wait, so your friend worked on the thing so you actually know she was a diva? Yes. Okay.

So, oh my God, that's like a big thing. That's like a big thing to know right now, everyone. Let's take a moment. I mean, I got a lot of DMs today because I was pro Claire being the Bachelorette. I was into her. I was saying she's savage and all this shit. And then a lot of people were saying after you watch, you know, this episode, you're going to feel differently.

And you're right. It did. The first episode was like a little bit. This episode was like, you're so right, Kate. They were making her look so fucking bad. So fucking Despo for Dale and also that moment where it's like, you don't know. If you're going to say three weeks in, you're going to tell Brandon like you're not telling me nice things about myself, fine. But he just got here.

It's okay. Do you want to fucking marry a dude who watched Juan Pablo's season? Like who, no, I actually. my reaction was I think they should make him the next bachelor because he was really handsome and honest and cool. And he was just looking at her like, you're bad shit crazy. That's the bachelor I want. Somebody who has a couple years under their belt that they are accomplished, that they're confident and that they're not caught up in the fame of the show. Oh, forget it. Never mind. It's over. Forget it. You're like I thought he like was an account. Yeah, no. Forget it. So I was

trying to think for a moment if again, is there a part of this that I like, that she's, like, savage in a way, that she's saying, hey, you didn't do your due diligence or is, has she gone so to her head? That's what's happened. It's gone to her head. You have to remember, like, she's telling him that he needs to call her brave. He doesn't fucking know you. What, by the way, what do you brave about? Because you said to Juan Pablo, I won't, by the way, just to the side, Juan Pablo told her, I don't want to be with you. And then she was like, well, you know what? I don't want to be with you either. because you're a jackass.

And it's like, so that's brave. He just broke off with you. And so that's why when she's walking away and she's like, you got it? I'm not into you anyway. Because you're a jerk and I don't want to have a kid with you. And he's like, yeah, I know, I just broke up.

Like, I don't give a shit what you think because I don't want to marry you to begin with. Goodbye. I don't give a shit. So like this idea, like, you're so brave because you stood there in your cocktail dress and you really gave it to him. It's like, okay, that's not brave.

That's like, you know how you, how you do your post like bravery like a girl showing like non fat like stomach like that's her that's her version oh my god she's so funny that is so funny hashtag brave oh so true you guys Kate Casey she always like hits the nail in the head I love you thank you so much for coming on I can't believe it's been an hour because I know I you know what it is I pull people into the Kate Casey vortex it's like my husband's like can you stop talking to people i suck them in it's like i get i get going and i can't stop but i will tell you this i'm so happy you have a baby i love looking at baby pictures that child looks exactly like you that child it has the baby lisa rina lips of the year your lips and if you don't

get them some catalog work i'm going to be pissed off i know i feel like i need to start chopping them around you should chop them around what am i doing and you live in New York City, it's easy. The people that are like, I have a girlfriend. She lives in San Diego. And she takes, she's four kids. She takes her kids to Burbank for auditions. I'm like, I don't get it. Why the fuck would you do that to yourself? Put yourself in a kid on a highway to go over there. You're in New York City. You don't have to go that far. Hey, do I look like a stage mom to you? Honestly. No, but you're like yes. No, but you could just zoom it. You could just zoom it up. You just, you hold that baby to us. Hold that baby up like the Lion King and just show the lips and they will get solid work.

work for a year. No, I love that we're ending on a baby note because we did, you know, whatever it was a year ago when you were like, have a baby. Yeah, remember you were like, I don't know. Can I really do it? Can I? I'm like, of course you can have it. There are people listening to the show right now who have kids and they're like, yeah, dumb ass. Of course you could solve a baby and work. And there are people there listening who were like, I kind of like this guy and I'd like to get impregnated, but I don't know if it's going to work out. Get pregnant. Have a baby you will be so happy babies bring pure joy listen i was gonna i i think i did this in the intro to our episode today i was saying like i was like i was like i was to say to my husband even pregnant i was like

listen i hope that i'll be able to still do everything i want to do and like i haven't you know and and i really you know knock on wood is a jewish thing to do feel like you did he brought blessings you know i'm i'm busier now than i was even before he he was here so he definitely brought blessings And they're so cute and they're worth it all. I think babies make you infinitely more creative, a better multitasker, more interesting, more empathetic. There are all these great things that come out with a baby. Now, will you be as bright and bushy-eyed as you were before you breastfed a baby at 2

and am? No, but who cares? Like, will you remember how to say flying a plane? No, but you'll still be cute about it. you will, but your brain doesn't totally go back until a child is two. Okay, so I have some time. You have some time. Bear with me.

Follow Kate Casey on Instagram, listen to our podcast. I love you, Kate. I love you. You're going to come back soon because it wasn't long enough, but my baby ate two hours and 15 ago. Oh, God, go. Eating someone's head. Bulbous boobs, go.

Goodbye. Okay. Kisses, babe. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at it. skinny but not fat subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes rate the podcast that you love so much on apple podcast and write a little review if you tell me you did i'll give you

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