Not Skinny But Not Fat - The Realest Real Housewife w/ Leah McSweeney

Episode Date: June 30, 2020

This season of RHONY has been a riot, and it’s mostly because of the newest, freshest addition- Leah McSweeney. You know I’m never a huge fan of new people, but boy has she changed the game! Her zero fucks attitude along with her vulnerability and respect for the OG castmates (which they don’t deserve most of the time) Leah is a freaking gem. We talk about the current state of her relationships with the women, her very public distaste for one housewife in particular, her relationship with Tinsley and feelings on her leaving, her current dating life, her activism in BLM, her relationship with her ex husband and why they aren’t together, her drinking, if she’d come back for another season, if she’d think she’d vibe with Bethenny, and Pita Chip- duh.    Produced by Dear Media.     See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is not skinny but not fat, and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny but not fat. Leah, what is up? Hi. You guys, I have Leah from Real Housewives of New York on the podcast. Finally, it's so good to see you. We're good to see you too.

I've been obviously looking at all your picks on Instagram. We follow each other. So I know. We're Instagram. I really just first and foremost want to say that I loved you from the first episode. So whoever loves you now, but like on the first episode didn't get it. can like go suck it because first episode I can send you archives of my stories and I usually am an anti new people person. I was like, yes. Thank you. I appreciate that. You literally came

on to Real Housewives this season and you changed the game. Really? That's how I feel. That's how a lot of people feel. Well, I just, I take that as such a compliment. Thank you. I appreciate that. We need to talk about Angel Marie who's like I told Leah before we started your Paris Hilton with Tinkerbell

slash L. Woods and L. Woods and I don't know. I don't remember. I have not seen that movie in so long. A meme was made about you and you couldn't go

look it up. I should have done it. You know what? Maybe I'll watch Legally Blonde with Kiki this week or something. Let's do the last, you know,

the last story you posted I was cracking up. Cuomo just announced that people coming back from, like, high area with COVID states are going to have to quarantine for two weeks, which makes sense. This is my thing. We live in New York fucking city. We live on top of each other. There is no way that, I mean, I know everyone had to change their lives, like, in the country. But New Yorkers really had to change our lives.

Like, I look out on my window onto Broadway, and it's still empty. You know, this isn't like, I get it, everybody's lives are affected, but it's such a stark contrast in New York, and 60% of this small businesses in New York will never reopen. We have done this and we have sacrificed so much in this city to save people and to flatten the curb, which we've done. So when I see people that I work with prancing and galloping around on their Instagram in Florida, like nothing's going on, that pisses me off. But what pisses me off even more is that when the cases start to fucking surge where you are,

you come back to New York City and you act like nothing's going on. And you don't have any respect for all the people who just lost their businesses, lost family members, are going through mental health issues, everything. It's such a big fuck you to everybody. I'm just, I'm flabbergasted, actually, that someone can be in the public eye and not know how to act in public like this. If you went out like an asshole, just don't post it on Instagram. Why would you do that?

Okay, so I know that Avery and Ramona posted they were in Florida. That's so fucking crazy because it's so insane that people ran away from here. And by the way, for people not living in New York, people ran away. Like, I've tried to understand how people can just up and move their lives and just be like, bye. And then you find out who's really rich because, like, that means they have a second home, like, during this time. Look, you know what?

I could be other places. Like, I was in Long Island for the first five weeks. And you know what? I fucking hated it. Really? I want to be in New York. I want to be home. I want to be in my home, in my apartment.

It wasn't like my second home. It's someone else's second home. But, like, it's very nice. It's not my home, but it feels like home. But at the same time, I'm like, I need to be in the city. When 9-11 happened, I'm not running away from it. You know what I mean? And this is another catastrophe. I want to be here. I want to feel what's going on. And I want to help rebuild it back up. It's crazy. You're a real city girl. Like you born and raised kind of?

Born and raised in the city. We moved to Connecticut when I was 14, which I spent most of those years running back, running away from home, back to the city. And then I moved back to the city to the same building I grew up in when I was, I guess, 17. I think I was when I graduated from high school. I was 17 or maybe. 18 yeah so since you're 18 you're living on your own in the city yeah well i lived with my grandmother for like a couple years that's cray cray and you never thought to go like suburban life like car backyard no because i like lived in connecticut for the couple years and i think it like was so like i hated it so much because of like the age i was when i moved at i was like oh i'm never leaving new york even though during this i have been like wow not because of new york but because of the people that like run New York, I'm like so disgusted with it that part of me is like, wow, I don't like want my money to go into your pockets. Like I don't want to pay my taxes to you guys,

you know, but at the same time, I'm probably never going to leave. Never going to leave. I don't if I feel the same way. I got back after just two days away, which is like not enough, but back to like the elevator and like the masks and no outdoor space. And it's just, I mean, I mean, you can't have the best of both worlds in New York is amazing most of the time. But certain, like, like the patheticness of being a New Yorker in the summer and the best you can fucking do is lay on the fucking grass in Central Park. Yeah, it's living in New York is not for people who like the summer. Yeah, I mean, it's not, it's 95 degrees in humid.

And the trains are about 115 degrees. Right. The winters are like zero degrees. And, you know, it's not like, it's, it's for tough people. It's for tough people. And you're a true New Yorker also with, like, your attitude and everything. And I told you when you came on Roney, like, the first episode, I was like, hell, yeah. And I just thought, because Tinsley basically seemed like the connection that brought you on.

Right. And I loved how you brought out, like, such a different side of Tinsley, I feel like. That's cool. Yeah, I know a lot of people say that. I like that. I mean, just numbers wise, you both Tinsley too, but you even more are younger than the rest of the cast. So like, even though we can all have older friends, younger friends, like, it's not like you'd be besties with them. No. And look, I mean, Kiki's dad is 12 years older than me. Like,

I'm friends with all his friends. Like, I have much older friends. I have women in my life who are in their 50s who are, you know, who I've been friends with for a long time. So, and then I have young people that I'm really good friends with. So I really, you know, I don't, like, I'm not biased in that way, but do I hang out with a group of women in their 50s and 60s? Typically, no. Yeah, typically no. Things that I do that they don't understand.

Like having tattoos. Like having a tattoo. Right. Like, we need to talk about that because that was, I think only this season, I think, because of you, you sort of were this, like, mirror in their face of, like, not like you're old, but like kind of like, you know,

we always thought of these women as like hip, New Yorkers, like they go out, they meet guys. But then you come along and you're like, you kind of like shine a light and show that they're not that cool and hip because tattoos were a huge deal,

which like my mom is 64 and like she loves every single one of my tattoos. Like she, they were approved by her. You know, I feel like I was like, oh, should I get this dumb star? And she was like, yeah. So it's not like, oh, yeah, oh.

Your mom sounds great. Your sunglasses have ruined. I'm definitely not happy with any of my tattoos, so. Your sunglasses have ruined our lives. Oh my God, wait, that's right. Your mom, like, want your mom, you got the sunglasses for your mom. Now I remember we were DMing about this and the color wasn't right. She wanted to make sure it was around your mom's.

I want Leah's. I want Leah's. She sent me your business. Where are you guys from? Well, we grew up in the Bronx and Riverdale, if you know it. So you were like New York too. Right. I love saying the Bronx and not Riverdale, though.

So then people think I'm hardcore. The PX. Yeah, the BX. Riverdale, the boogie down. Dr. Rita, my dermatologist also is from Riverdale. We were like just talking about it. I was just with her. And so we were talking about Riverdale.

Oh, right. You went to the dermatologist with the face mask. Well, I mean, you take it off when she's in the office, yeah, of course. And then she's, you know, this. Oh, right. They wear the shield. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So Leah's style on this season has been really impeccable and amazing. Depending on who you ask. And every time you have really cool sunglasses, but you're wearing one that was like purple. And then my mom sends me the picture the next day. And she's like, I need these glasses. And it was Mother's Day coming up. So we're really sweet.

And we found out. out who the glasses are made by. Oh, you posted it. And we asked the guy, we were like, we want lias. And he was like, this is the one. So then we get the glasses and she tries them on. And they're gorgeous. Like the shape is gorgeous.

Like, they're so good. They're so good. And she's like, it's not lias. And she made us talk to them. You know, they're like a small boutique in like Canada or something. Yes. It's my friend's brand. And he actually started by selling all vintage sunglasses, like to everybody, like Amber Rose, Kanye, like everybody.

Like, everyone would go to him and he had the best vintage collection. Then he started he came out with his own brand. You're such a good model for it because you, the whole time, like, I feel like every sunglasses you have are like kind of his design. I have so many of his. Yeah. I mean, it's also great because I'm like, oh, if I, like, didn't have time for it. makeup on, I can just throw them from that. Right. And usually they don't

film with sunglasses. Yeah, I wore them a lot. I mean, I didn't really notice how much I wore them until I was watching the show and was like, I wear a sunglasses a lot. I know you wore them a lot. So anyway, long story short, we ended up you know, returning them and getting Leah's color. And then she's very

happy with them now. So you have really, really good style. And so the first scene that was kind of showed the contrasting you and the women was the tattoo scene in the Hamptons yeah yeah talking about it was I mean look I know someone was just recently thinking you're you've been so nice to them you haven't like gone off on them and I'm like what am I gonna do I'm like at this you know met Ramona's house like just met her once like I'm here to make friends I'm not gonna you know I was in shock a little bit too about the whole

tattoo thing I was definitely questioning like is this is this real and I'm like this is real like this is real this is real and I actually didn't look I hadn't watched the show since like the season when Luan and Tom were like he was like cheating on her or whatever like I don't know what season that was

that was like a while ago it was before Tinsley was on I think so I hadn't watched it in years you know and I guess I hadn't really thought about it so much like our you know I hadn't thought about like how different

the restaurants are that they go to versus the ones I go to I guess it's like a simple way of putting it you know yeah that was wait it says your name on your on your tattoo what on my arm

wait what was the one they were tramp stamp that was the big one the tramp stamp well the thing is Sonia really threw me off because she was like oh I'll never have sex with you because you have tattoos and I'm like

I thought you were like this like self-proclaimed slut like you're not having sex with guys with tattoos and then like she's just saying this to like neg me yeah she's like oh people with tattoos have like diseases and stuff and I was like really fucking like pissed off but I kind of just was like I wouldn't just keeping my cool just like have my cool I think because you said people are like how are you so nice and that's so it's such an interesting thing because you have an attitude you're outspoken you're not afraid to say what you think yet you weren't causing drama about shit that so easily you could have been like,

like you were very respectful. I remember even getting pissed, you know, the episode where you had to fucking beg for your sister to come. I was like, if I have to see Leah, like, beg and be so nice when Ramona was being so bitchy about it. When I read, when I like watched it, I'm like, wow, I was clearly like blackout, like, clearly like and Ramona picked that time to tell me and her and so you were like he we're going to go tell her that her sister can't come while I was having a mental breakdown I'm

like how do you think this is going to go guys you know what I'm like rewatching it I'm like then you're going to get mad that I'm like crying and like throwing like flowers or like whatever I first of all I told my sisters I have two sisters and I tag them and I was like be like Leah like you cried for your sister she better appreciate you were like I mean People need to understand, like, I was with you. But at the same time, to them, they're like, this is the girls trip. And by girls, they mean, like, the cast, you know, and they were thrown off, basically, that you wanted to bring your sister.

But I thought it was so sweet that you wanted her there so much. I didn't want to, because I didn't want to go on that trip. Like, I just spent, like, a whole, like, weekend, like, with these women, like, telling me that, like, my tattoos are terrible and shit. You know what I mean? Like, I didn't really feel like doing a whole. overnight thing again without mental support. Do you think you would be able to do it that the show?

I mean, I know now Tinsley left, but looking back was Tinsley a point of comfort because, like, you knew her and you know she's like, no, no, I know it's not that she wasn't a point of comfort. It's just like, it's a little different, like Tinsley and my sister. Do you know what I mean? Oh, no, 100%. A hundred percent.

But Tinsley totally like helped me, like, ease into the friend group. You know what I mean? She completely like helped me. And, like, also, this is the other thing with Tinsley. Tinsley doesn't have a mean, freaking competitive, like, weird girl vibe. Like, you know, when, like, girls can be so fucking weird sometimes. She doesn't do that at all. I can tell.

He's just not like that. And it's just not petty. She's not like that. She actually is, and I hate the word, classy. But, like, she really is. Like, she is. I think that's what kills some of the other women about her. Like, she is truly that.

I could always tell. that Tinsley like she's harmless as like obviously but that she's that I mean she also like you has even though they put her through the ringer remained like respectful never never I want to say stoop to their level because they're fucking moments where you know Dyrinda fucking came for Tinsley especially the season and I this is again one of the points of season where I was like why does Dorenda care about Tinsley's relationship with Scott? don't know. Like, I guess I still don't know. I mean, even me and I love Durinda, but like, I was even trying to tell Tinsley and like, Dorenda knows this. Like, Tinsley, like, tell Dorenda to shut the

fuck up. Like, Dorinda will respect that more. Do you know what I'm like? Because that's the language she's speaking. Tinsley doesn't speak that language. And, but that's just not her personality. No, it's not. And then I realize that. Like, she's not going to do something that doesn't make sense for her. She's being true to herself, you know? Yeah. So my thing was like, would you be able to mentally, like your mental health is probably great if you're able to, you know, just go for a weekend to the Hamptons with these women, have them come for you, remain pretty strong and like not break. Like I feel like it's hard on a soul to like feel people. They didn't not like you, but feel like going alone on a weekend with people that aren't like great friends of yours is stressful. and then having them kind of all come at you for something. Like you're pretty strong to endure that and then and then keep going. So that's what I meant with Tinsley is like,

was her being there like, could you imagine doing it without her, without someone that you know and trust? Well, I mean Tinsley left all right. Right. So I do the whole rest of the season. Oh, right. Yeah.

It's coming back this season. It was fine. It was fine. it was fine. So how did you feel about her leaving? You know, obviously I was so bummed, but I'm also, I was so happy for her because that's what she wanted. That's what she wanted, you know? And obviously, like, look at that dinner at that Mexican restaurant we were at. Like, I made the toast. And also, like, I made the toast for her because it's like, you don't make a toast to yourself. You know, they're like, why didn't Tinsley make that toast? I'm like,

because I'm toasting to Tinsley. Like, what's she going to toast to her and her Scott's relationship? I'm toasting to her and Scott's relationship. Right. But then, like, obviously Darynda didn't want to hear it. And then even Ramona was like, oh, well, I'm finally in good graces with Durenda. So I'm just going to follow along. And then Sony just ignored her. Like, who would want to fucking hang out with them after that, you know?

So blame her for, like, hauling ass to Chicago? I'm not blaming her. No, of course. And again, I feel like that shows a lot of, first of all, she knows what's important to her. And more than the show, it's finding someone to be with and Scott. everything. Tinsley doesn't care about attention, fame, this, that. She doesn't give a fuck about that. First of all, she's been getting that since fucking for a very long time. Yeah. Like, do you remember? Like, I don't know how old you are. Probably not. Okay. But anyway, in early

2000s, like, since I can remember, Tinsley was like in the New York Post. So, like, this bad, like walking the runways for different shows during fashion meet. Like, she's not. So you know her from that like from like social of course I totally remember and like knew of her back in the early 2000s when she was like modeling like I was at a heatherette show I mean I don't even know what that was maybe 2004 or something or 2003 and she was like walking the runway in it so how did you connect and become friends basically through another friend because it's funny because at the beginning you're like oh I don't see the like the connection so clearly but then you kind of do

throughout the rest of this half of the season how you kind of instill like some coolness in her because she is, I mean, she took off her, she got naked in the pool where Tinsley was a person who wouldn't even show off her body in a bikini in like past seasons.

You liberated her. She's a beautiful body. Wow, thank you. That's great. She does. Yeah, she's so beautiful. I'm having flashbacks of your cheeky torches. right now.

Wait, so when you, like, when you get that drunk, you black out, like, you don't remember? That I totally remember. Okay. Yeah, but like Newport, like, I hadn't eaten anything and I was like totally just on a fucking, like, destructive wild. Like, I was just in like my fuck it mode. Wait, do you have a high tolerance or is it low? Like, I am not understanding. What for alcohol?

Yeah, because on one hand, you haven't eaten so. that you're drunk, but the time of you were drinking a lot. Yeah, I mean, I probably like, yeah, I drank a lot that night. I don't know if it's high or low. I'm not sure. I don't have any. Like if you drink two glasses of wine, are you, like, starting to get drunk or is it like a bottle? No, it's definitely a bottle.

So it's so pretty high. I haven't drank in like three months or something. And like, I don't know. I drank maybe once in January. I don't know. Like, you know, I spent so many years not drinking, you know. most of my adult life for nine years from age 27 to 36, I didn't drink at all. So I'm much more comfortable living in that. Yeah. Because like I have much more practice living and dealing with

life without alcohol. Like everyone basically like got to see me. And I didn't start drinking because the show. I started drinking before I was even like cast for the show. Oh, okay. Why did people think that you started drinking for the show? Yeah. I think like if it was the edit or whatever, it is or people were like, oh my God, she broke her sobriety for the show. And it's like, no, I didn't. I broke my sobriety way before the show. And it was a very, you know, it's a personal choice. And it was something I have no regrets doing. But basically people were watching me kind of just learning to like, or trying to learn or whatever, having just going nuts. I mean, all of the above with alcohol again because it's been so long. And so. And then you wake up the next morning and you're

like, I'm fine, which is the most annoying part of everything. You know what? I was definitely hung over, but I just couldn't, like, deal with those bitches in my face. Like, how are you feeling? Like, what is the worst? Even in my nine years when I wasn't drinking, I obviously, all my friends are still drinking. It's not like I'm not hanging out with them or not going out still.

And if my friend did some crazy shit the night before, I would be the last person to ever. Judge. Like, judge, ever. I mean, that's just, like, the worst shit. Like, how much more Karen can you be? No, but can I? I just, like, that's, it's so insane, again, to watch the show and, and see you, first of all, you're a funny drunk and you weren't being mean to anybody.

No, I was just trying to, listen, if they had never told me, and look, I know it's annoying to be around someone who's, like, way more turned up than you, like, I get it, and that was me that night. But, come on, guys, you know, it would have gone much differently had they not been like, she can come, she can't come, she can't come. They were driving me freaking insane. And then, I mean, even if you. you said you watched the show, like not maybe the last seasons, but for all of us who watch

all the seasons, like, are you kidding? Are you kidding? Like they've gotten so much more shit shit face than you and their shitfacedness brought out, you know, being mean to each other, like bring shit up about each other, calling each other, you know, sluts and mention it all and fights. And I mean, the berserk sure has happened when they're all super, you know, So if you're like a harmless drunk and you're having fun and you're, and you're dancing on Sonja, then whatever. What do they care? Exactly. But, you know, I think everyone was really, not everyone, a couple of the women, maybe just one.

They're just really looking for anything. Ramona tried to get me kicked off the entire show that weekend. Oh my God. She really has some shit with you. You know. Do you think it's as plain as like your mom would say she's. jealous probably no probably i can't think of any other reason why i'd be held such different standards than everybody else unless she just sees me as like i mean again i'm

the tattooed one i'm the one with a smaller apartment i'm the one with that lives downtown with the graffiti you know i don't know maybe she just doesn't maybe she thinks she's like above me or whatever i'm not i'm not really sure you know but it all plays out in the second half the season, it only gets worse. Oh, my God. It's beyond. I mean, the things that happen and the things that are said to me are beyond. Oh, my God, Leah.

And that explains kind of like the social media stuff between you guys, right? There was something with, like, her daughter posted something. Yeah. Can you tell me what that was? She just, she posted like a video of me from the Rhode Island thing. Like, she's like, they're watching. She's like, mom, I'm so embarrassed. for you. I'm just like, you're like 12 years younger than me. Your mother's like 30 years older than

me. So me and you are more like closer and age. Right. Colleagues than I am with her. So you don't want it with me. Like I'm not, I'm not going to just not say anything back, you know. Did you get shit for that, like that you called her out? No. Really? From who? No, not from like people who matter from like followers and people blowing up your DMs. I think people, were extremely happy that I didn't let, like, someone walk all over me and, like, talk a bunch of shit about me. The thing is, it's just, it's hypocrisy. Like, okay, maybe, like, the women, like, were all these well-behaved, like, ladies who lunch or whatever, but that's not the case. Like, we're not, you know. You're not on Southern Charm also.

I've never watched that. But I mean, this is not, like, you know, I know that they think if they're high society. I know Ramona thinks she's very high society, but, you know, that's a joke obviously. But that's why I thought maybe other, because you're saying there's only one person. And okay, maybe Ramona, obviously there's more that happened that we know and we'll see more and also behind the scenes probably there was more. But I don't know, Luanne was being bitchy too. She was being bitchy behind my back. That's what I was going to say. I didn't know that like, I didn't know that was going on until I watched it. But I also think that she just likes to play every side of things like I'm seeing kind of, you know.

But she did, she had my back. Like, you know, there were things that they didn't show or whatever, like in Rhode Island where she was helpful because it was difficult. I was obviously not an enjoyable trip for me. Yeah. The times I told you that was yelling at my screen were times where, I mean, Ramona was kind of treating you like a guy who like tells you he likes you, but then is a dick to you.

Like, because like, it's like she's being a bitch to you. And then she's like, but I feel like your mother. You know, Leah, like, come in for a hug. It's a lot of gas lighting. It's a lot of gas lighting. But you at moments felt like you were buying it. Like you were, you, they. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. Like, I'm, you know, I was very, like, trusting, I think. Like, I know watching it back, I am like, oh, wow, I got over that quick, you know? I think I just, I'm throwing in the towel. Like, I just want a freaking try to enjoy myself. Yeah. And you, because she said that you were bringing up, like, triggering childhood. My God, that was, that was, that was, well, first of all, I didn't know that she was lying about

that. Like, like, Luan called it out. Like, Ramona, you're lying about that. And when someone, what do you mean? When did Luan call it out that she's lying about it? Luan was like, oh, bullshit. You don't even remember anything from last night. You were blackout drunk. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. And, um, and that was like really, like, disturbing that someone would views there. Also, like, you're 63. I'm sorry. It's time to like move on. But also why? Like, you being really drunk? Like, she's never seen someone drunk before? Did Sonia give you the same flashbacks and we were in the orchard last week? Was she making you think of your alcohol? But I remember Leah, you like cried and you felt so bad.

You know, I felt terrible when she told me. I didn't realize that she was being very manipulative. That's insane. That's a thing with. you I feel like that why people love you so much and and I'm sure you feel it too like on social media and everything is because like again you're outspoken you say what you think you get drunk you're like fuck you whatever but at the same time you it shows that you have a big heart and that you're actually trying to be cool with them like you don't have you're not coming in trying to be like the villain or like the new you know what I mean you're that's not me I've always been outgoing friendly I like having

friends. I like people. Like, I try not, like, I have friends that are, like, all different from each other and I'm open. I try not to be judgmental. Of course, I am. Sometimes I'm human, but so it wasn't, like, I'm just going on there and being myself. I'm not trying to be, like, prove anything to anyway. I don't feel like I have anything to prove. I don't have to prove anything to anybody. You really don't. And another couple situations that come to mind with, you know, the contrast between you and the women, too, is like, when Luann came to your apartment. Mm-hmm. I'm like, I'm sorry I didn't marry it counts.

Wait, did she say anything to your face or was it only? I mean, I was definitely like getting weird vibes. Yeah. I don't care. And also like I had the worst sinus infection like of my life. Yeah. How was everyone hanging out with you? I was like, I was so, I had the worst sinus infection.

I had an ear infection and a sinus infection. But I was too busy thinking about my health and like trying to. Yeah. Like, if this woman that I, you know, is judging my freaking apartment that, like, costs me freaking out the ass to, like, pay for, like, give me a break, you know. Oh, you own your apartment. No, I don't. But still. Like, rent. Yeah. Like, I'm like, come on, bitch. Leave me alone. Yeah. First of all, it looks like you have a gorgeous apartment. And I love that you're. I actually moved to another apartment in the building. I did upgrade.

That's because we're home so much now. I know. I couldn't even imagine. What if Kiki's not in school next year? Like, we needed two bathrooms. We needed two way bigger bedrooms. Like, you know, so it was time. But you came across as so, like, humble and not in like, you know, you're slumming it, obviously. I hope people know that's not. You're slumming it in the financial dishing with all the hobos and Skid Row. You're in Skid Row. But I mean, that is, that's what I'm trying to say. I know it sounds repetitive is like how big because like we were talking about I live on the upper east side but like it's not the upper east side that used to be like even where because I think I know where Ramona lives by the way I like I know exactly where and I walk by there all the time and also the upper east side is not what it used to be like a lot of young people live here a lot of young families it's much more affordable now than even like the upper west

side like it's not this like bougie central like she it's not it's not obviously things change you know when I was going to school up there like even when I went to school up there I remember like my dad people are getting about that I say that's what me and my dad were like driving around I grew up in Chelsea it was like the heart personal was like gay mecca still is but like imagine in the 90s I'm like in the late 80s like from when I remember just like drag queens like walking down the street and like you know it was amazing it was fucking cool and then I'd be like going to school up there and I remember my dad like I don't know if we were like in a car cat or whatever. It's just

boring up here. And that's because there's no culture. Yeah. Yeah, that's why. But, you know, whatever, there's a lot of beauty in the Upper East Side. There's a lot of beauty in all different neighborhoods in New York City. But it's definitely not what it was. And we know that in Tribeca is actually the most... Yeah, I was going to say, like,

grammar C, like, there's so... Like, I moved to the Upper East Side because, like, it was more affordable than other areas. And it's nice, but like, people need to understand that are not from New York. and also things are not, that's what I'm saying, like the way tattoos aren't for like hos.

You know what I mean? Like, there are a lot of things. People that are non-tramps have tram stamps. Okay. So. Britney Spears has a tramp stamp. That's my queen. Oh, my God.

Poor Brett, Brett. I know. But maybe, I don't know, she seems happy with Sam. No? I feel like she's, whatever medication she's on right now, I feel like it's not the worst.

She's not like a zombie. She's, I know it's a it's a whole thing but that's again Leah's you're you're so I'm gonna throw up on myself but you're woke you know I actually like hate that word though I hate it too I hate I feel like people like have like like co-opted that word and made it into something so lame so when someone I get comments like you're like you're woke I'm like don't call me that stuff I know I know that's what that's what I told you I said I'm gonna throw up on myself but like that's the word people are using to describe people today that are knowledgeable about what's going on that are

which you are galore about coronavirus and also about BLM you know I read a lot stuff I mean I just read a lot like I just read it's not like I'm only reading like CNN in facts like I read like political like I try to like read like politico and the hill and like I like the intercept but I also I do like the federalist people like you write for the federalist you're evil. I'm like, first of all, I've never written for the federalist, but like, I read the website. I read all sorts. I read left websites. I read right websites. Like, I read a spectrum of things because how else will you get to fucking put an opinion together? Right. Anyway, I try to keep alert and aware of what's going on. I mean, sometimes I'm like, why do I, why am I doing this to myself? Maybe

ignorance is bliss, right? I mean, there is some, some parts of that are true. And you've been very vocal about BLM and you attended protests and. You know, I have to say like this, this, this round, I wasn't really attending. I did go to one and I was showing my support. But I did and I was very adamant about it back. And I think it was 2014 when, to my knowledge, when I first learned about it or whatever. And I was like so psychotic about going and like being like in the rain. And I was going like all the time. And you know, I think it's just, it's a necessary reckoning that's going on. Do you feel now that you have, I'm going to say another word. I'm going to vomit on myself. big platform. Did you feel like responsibility or was it just like I feel this way I'd post

about it or did you feel? I can look back in my Instagram from a long time ago when I have less followers and I was posting about that stuff. You know, I also had my own incident with the NYPD and look, but now I'm just like obviously like, you know, I have a bigger platform. There's a different way to communicate to a bigger group of people, the things I feel or whatever. And I, you know, no matter what I say, some people are going to like it and some people aren't and like some people are like, oh what does that mean you're like you don't care about police lives and police people and I'm like no police lives or whatever and I'm like no of course like I care about every life but like we're just we're talking about and we're focused on something that's right the black community so anyway

there's obviously I mean I try to think of everything and talk about everything with nuance it's hard to do that with Instagram sometimes obviously like it's just a picture and like a caption and then people just fucking going psycho and comments. So. But that's, so again, the word is gross, but you are being woke. And again, as opposed to a lot of your other castmates who maybe posted like the black box, but I mean, Ramona had a little bit of a, she did a little comment, All Lives Matter. Do you think it's like ignorant on her part specifically?

Is it like, what's going on there? I don't know. I think that like, we also. can't expect people who have been like living a certain way and everyone's been watching them on TV living a certain way. They've been getting celebrated for living a certain way. They've been rewarded for living a certain way. You can't expect people, oh, now you want them to be different and you're going to teach them for like the way that you were applauding for them. Like before like it doesn't make any sense, you know, but I think that the all lives matter thing is very

insensitive and I don't know what she was thinking. I'm not her. I can't speak for her, you know, but I think that navigating through what we're going through right now and that on top of like trying to navigate it on social media and like is very difficult. I know because people are like, I didn't want to post that black box, but I felt like I had to, you know? It sucks because like not everyone knows exactly how to be savvy on social media. Or if you don't post the black box, like does that mean you're the enemy or you're right. Insane, you know, like I don't post a black box. box. I didn't either. I actually heard that the black box idea was created by a Trump supporter. I mean, look, that could have been a whole, like, I know, I get into the conspiracy theory times. I also love those. But it could have been like a fucking like idea from Russia sent to make us all crazy because like that day was like a voting day. And instead of the voting going viral or like something that made people knowledgeable about the voting day go viral, we had a black box go viral. Yeah. It was a confusing, and I didn't post it either. And my thing was like, okay, I'm not going to post my normal content, but I also don't want to flood Instagram with like a black box. And my thing was like I thought the point was maybe to just amplify the black voices and have only people of color be posting that day or people that are posting vital information to what's happening now and not like dumb, stupid regular day shit. But it is. It's a hard place to maneuver, even though again, it sounds like what was me.

like an influencer. No, but it's like, you know what? Instagram obviously has like created a such a vapid way of like for us to like, it's like it created this like vapid lens to like for us to look through. And how do you do that when you're talking about a social justice movement? Like how do you even like it's the opposite like social meet like Instagram and like a social justice movement like literally like what the fuck does that do with each other. Right.

So people were also saying like, oh my God, Sonia's not. Sonia's harmless. Sonia is, like, the least, like, bigot or anything like this. Like, she's such a, like, open-loving, like, person. I was just complaining about her saying that stuff to me about the tattoos. But she posted a picture of herself with the ice cream and someone DM me, like, can you please yell at her for this? Like, no, why would I do that?

Like, like, standing on a corner eating an ice cream cone. God bless her. Like, why does she have to post something, like, about this every single freaking day? Like, it's not realistic. Like, also, people are going to start being quiet and not saying anything if you attack them all the time. I actually posted a story that says exactly that. I'm like, you want people to say shit, but then you attack them if they don't say it the way you want them to say it. But were you feeling that or you were saying that you, like, were most of your, the comments you were getting

and the feedback of support or were you getting some shit too? It's like people were like, some people were mad because I posted, um, I mean, I'm talking about like three comments. Like most people, some people like, you're posting cop ganda like, because I posted like one of the main police dudes in New York. like kneeled with these kids. Oh, yeah. You're not allowed to do that either. And people were like, this is fake. He was mad.

Like, three people said that. I'm like, you know what? Like, go fuck yourself. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sorry. Like, I'm not down with this like, let's villainize every single person. Right. When you make these sweeping generalizations about a group of people, that's so problematic.

Yeah. And then why we're in this fucked up situation that we're in right now. Like, it's because of these extreme ways of doing things. Yeah. And really negative rhetoric. Hello, it's what Trump does all day long. It's like, and that's why we're having it. Everything's a reaction, you know?

So people were mad about that. People were mad like that I posted the Atlanta mayor, Keisha Bottom, saying like, don't loot. People are mad this woman saying don't loot. Like, yeah, people are mad. I've heard a store owner in New York, which is amazing, right? He was saying he's not upset his store got, you know, broken into and vandalized because he understands that without, you know, some destruction, there was no, you know,

progression. I was like, really, dude, but amazing of you, like, that you can afford. I'm not, I don't believe that. I think you probably felt like you had to say that. I think that, look, when I watch videos of the Chanel store and the Rolex store getting broken into, do I give a shit? Of course not. They'll be the stores in the Bronx that are own, like mom and pop shops being violated and destroyed by people that live in that neighborhood to meet. That is not any way to do anything. And no one can tell me any different. Leah, you're saying you're going to get comments about everything. You're going to say, you know, don't destroy people's you're going to be like, you can't say that. It's like one thing or the other. Like,

if I, yeah, it's, it's just, you know, from both sides. Like, I'm not like one way or the other enough for people. So, but you don't give a shit. You're going to post whatever you want to post and you're not trying to appease like anyone. I don't think so. No. You're like, maybe when I posted that thing. That's so hard to do. No, no, right. Because you are being yourself. You're being vocal about, you know, even your political leanings. Right. You never they are.

I'm so politically homeless. I posted a meme about like a funny Trump meme. And I remember getting unfollowed like a thousand people that day. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, it happened. If we can't make light, if we can't laugh at a dark situation, then we're fucked, you know. So. Yeah.

Well, I want to know if you're asked back for next season, would you go back? I'm thinking about it. We'll see what happened. Really? I mean, yeah, I will. I would, you know, whatever, of course. Like, I think I'm watching how the rest of the season plays out, you know, but overall, it's a good experience.

It's a good experience. Of course, absolutely. Because I was thinking throughout the entire season from episode one, I was like, damn, she would really get along with Bethany. Like, I feel like you guys would be cool. But then I wasn't sure, and I was like, I, when I talked, you have to ask you, like, if you had to think about it, do you think of Bethany was still on the show, she'd be like in your corner?

I, 100% think so. I think so, too. I hope so. Who's that in Ramona's corner? Is she? But Dorinda, is she kind of the closest to you from all the women? Probably. And at some points, I thought your connection was really, really cute.

And I'd be like, oh, that's really cute. Like, because she did defend you and she was saying, like, enough. But not, like, at every moment. Do you know what I mean? There were some times where I felt like she could have. Really? Yeah. Like when?

Like at the dinner or something? Yeah, like at the dinner with the guys at the bar. Okay, everyone was so drunk that night. I know I really like kind of everyone was watching me being drunk, but if everyone was extremely intoxicated that night, I don't think most of them even knew what happened really until they watched. And also, and also what happened. I don't know what happened.

I don't know. I was running around the table. Like I was going to say, like I watched it and I don't know what happened. But teams even told me she's like, I didn't really. know what happened until I watched it. Because it was like the guy, you know, the fucking asshole guy.

That guy was so gross. Like, of course, like, that's like who like, they're like off talking to. They want us to down. He was such a freaking rude piece of shit to me and Sarah. Oh my God. So rude. And you were so confident.

You're like, we're going to go over. I know. Like hot and young. Your fucking problem. I'm like, okay, psycho. Like, you obviously like hate women. Chill.

And then it turns out. actually does so wait and what about pita chip which i found whom i found that i can you confirm no one's going to remember my story now you have to tell me if that's him you totally found him yeah i asked my husband my husband's israeli so first i was like oh that's so funny i was like he probably knows well no but my brother-in-law israelian he's here for also many years so i asked him too i needed to know because i thought that i knew all the israeli places because i'm Israeli. So I was like, is it Rolani from Hummus Kitchen? I was like in my because when you're Jewish and Israeli, you think you know every

peta plays. It's kosher too. So it's like next level, Jew. Like it's like very, it's like orthodox are in there and everything. Like, you know, I love a good pita. I'm going to order, do you know nish-nish? No, so I saw you post that the other day. I was going to say you love Israeli food. I love nish-nush. I'm going to order from nish-nish. Sure. You love Israeli food. Wait, is pizza chips still happening? We're friends. We actually, it's so funny because I ran into him twice today on the street.

Like, we were both jogging. And then I ran into him again on the street, like a few hours later. It's very random. We're maybe going on a jog tomorrow. Just as friends. We're friends. We're cool. Believe me, I had, like, girls DMing me.

Like, um, excuse me. I know who that is. And when were you dating? Because I want to make sure it didn't overlap. I hit him up like, okay, player. Oh my god So I wasn't the only one Who he is

Yeah well these are like girls that were dating him at some point And they wanted to make sure that like We weren't dating at the same time We weren't But how are you are you on the dating scene Are you on apps? Are you are I'm on a hinge Like I actually have like the woman one turned on too

Because I'm like whatever Like let's see I don't know But I don't I just it's not What, you're not logging in and swiping? Like, I'll swipe and then I just don't say anything. Wait, go on the celeb one.

Go on Raya. I'm not allowed on that one. Wait, why? Wait, why? It's a long story, but whatever. Because I, like, basically talks a bunch of shit about the app in general, too. But, like, I don't even, the dating apps aren't even for me. I cannot pick out of a photo.

How do you meet people? Like, when you go out? Does that happen? No. I'm not going out, obviously now. I mean, when I run on the west side, though, there's some... Okay, Leah, we get it. You're active and you jog and you run.

Stop, stop, stop. No, I'm really not. I'm just trying lately. But this guy, I mean, this guy, there are so many hot guys on the west side. Running. I mean, wow. But what are you going to do? They're going to look at you.

You're going to look at them. I'm going to stop. Like, it's just too hard. And then, yeah, I was in, like, a store the other day and a high being. He's wearing a mask. I'm wearing a mask. I can't fully tell what he looks like. He's tall, dark, and handsome.

But, like, what if, like, his bottom of his gorilla is all messed up? I can't see it. But Instagram kind of became, like, the dating app, I feel like. Instagram can totally be a dating app, actually. But I just don't have... You don't... They're not... Men are on sliding in.

I doubt it. No, I'm sliding in. Okay, Leah, stop. They're sliding. No, they're not. I mean, hot game men are sliding in. So, like, be like, we stand you. I love that, but that doesn't get me anywhere. Really?

Listen, I get offended all the time. I'm married, but I'm like, no one's sliding. I hear all about this lighting. I don't like post my husband that much. Like, what's happening? No one's lighting. Don't feel bad. They're not sliding into my DMs either. So I'm shook. Maybe it's because your relationship with your ex-husband is so. My God. Honestly, I was thinking the same damn thing. I'm like, oh, it's great that like now the world. knows like it's our great relationships highlighted also the biggest cock locker in the world Rob and now people are not going to want to hit me up because they're going to not want to deal with you or they're going to think we're still boning or some shit and like he he looks so

cute your relationship with him is really like because it's almost like seems too good to be true is it really the way it seems well the thing is this it's like also we're not dating people so maybe it's too good to be true because we're not dating people you think it would get more complicated I mean, look, this is the thing. When I think about Rob having, like, a very serious relationship with someone and maybe, like, I'm not going to be, like, coming first. Yeah.

In a way, then I get, like, I don't really like that that much. So why, what's holding you guys for not being together? No, it's just not. Really? Yeah. Just, he's like my brother at this point, you know? So, look, I do want him to meet someone. I've actually tried to like know what I've been like you should hook up with hers

like she's like beautiful and cool and smart I try to do it so look but I it's like I'm fucked up like I want to like control like I'm crazy I'm like let me find someone to hook you up with who I know isn't going to like try to step on my toes yeah look for someone who doesn't want anything serious it's not going to stick around for too long I just need to know that like you know it's going to be someone who's like awesome because I need someone awesome for Kiki right they're going to be in her life and I need they need to be awesome so I get along with them too because this is like a full on family affair you know he's involved in your business no no no no no he has been in the past he's been you know he's designed for me and everything like that but he's not

really anymore but it's just a family affair in terms of like he hangs out with my family like holidays kiki this that just the way we've been doing things it would be hard to kind of it wouldn't be hard it just it'll be you know across the bridge and how many years aren't you together that in so long you haven't since keir was like two and she's 13 so either of you had serious relationships since then i have i've had a lot and he was okay with that he wasn't like okay with it but i also was like dating like total moron so he was like not like concerned he was he was concerned yeah he wasn't super thrilled with a lot of my choices of men. It's honestly the last thing I'm thinking about is fine. Like I don't feel like I'm missing anything. Like I don't see when you said I'm married like

that sounds so nice. Like it really does honestly. No, it does. It does. It really does. And you know, I'm like, oh, that sounds really nice. But I feel like I'm married too to Rob in a way. So I have, he really checks off so many of those boxes for me. Yeah. And you have a kid already. So it's not like you don't yeah you know i mean unless like i met someone i was fully in love and they were dying for a kid like i would but i'd be like really i make me do that but like yeah i would do it i'm sure like i'm sure because i've been when i've been in love in the past i've been like honey have your baby right now you know and then when i'm single i'm like oh god yeah this like i'm totally at like close wait so you had kira when i'm doing the math right now 30s uh wow

I was 24 going on 25, yeah. That's cray-cray. Yeah, it was totally cray-cray. I'm 32 and pregnant and I feel like a baby. I mean, no, I know. I was totally like a child bride. But that's so fun too. Like now that you're like that she has such a young mom and you guys seem like so close and.

No, I'm like, thank God I got knocked up like at a young age. Like that was the best thing for me. Then you just got hot again really quickly and now you're hot for all these years like Courtney Kardashian. style like mom have you ever had a glow up so funny wait you did post an old picture of you that your look was kind of like really edgy what was that

was it short hair they flashed onto that on the show oh I had like a baseball hat with short hair and like I was very androgynous like it was totally like the thing like whatever like you don't know if I'm a man or woman huh you know and you know I was just that was like Raver style like that was just me like I didn't want to conform to anything you're so cool Leah for real I'm so I know really because I think it's needed like the little real housewives of New York

I mean you could be on probably a lot of different shows and give a nice twist and addition but I think that for real housewives of New York it was a needed spicero and I love you on it and I know so many other people do man I really appreciate that and thank you for coming on for having me I feel like we could just talk all day. I know. Well, we're in-s-friends. I can't believe it was an hour already. I know.

And we're into friends, and we both live in the city. So everyone follow Leah, Leah Mob. Yeah, at Leah Mobb. Thank you, Leah, so much. And we'll talk soon. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode

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