Not Skinny But Not Fat - THE RETURN OF TOM SANDOVAL

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

2 years after Scandoval, Tom Sandoval seems to be back. He just came off a very successful season of Traitors where he was either being laughed at or with (he doesn’t care which). But one thing is for sure, he took the game very seriously, and that was very, very funny. Tom’s here to discuss how it feels to not be the most hated guy in America, how he feels about the end of Vanderpump Rules, his strategy on Traitors and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. I just came back from a workout actually and my trainer said to me at the end, see you next Tuesday. It's like, good one. It's been two weeks since I got flu-Bee.

It's so funny that there are people out there that don't know there are two strains of A and B, and I feel like maybe it's only people with kids that know it because if you're just a regular human, then you will be like, oh, I have the flu. If you're a household with kids, then you're like, I know that if I have flu A, we're still fucking could get flu B.

Like, this means nothing. And that's what happened in my house. Like, we know I got flu A a few months ago. He was out of it, like completely, by the way, just out of it. Like, this flu is killer this year. And then B, my whole house got, you guys know this, except for husband, who I don't want to jinx, but like could basically kind of jinx because it's been that long already. But I'm telling you, guys, I've never felt like ashamed of being sick.

Do you remember in COVID how it was like embarrassing? Like people would be like, why is she wearing a mask or like somebody just coughed and you felt like a social pariah? It's the same with the flu now. Like I'm so nervous. I still have a lingering cough. And like if I'm next to people and I have a cough, I'm like, no, I had a flu two weeks ago. Like, don't worry.

Anyway, we talked about husband not getting it. It's so funny that he literally said to me the other day, I probably got it. I just like wasn't dramatic about it. It's like, okay. Yes. another wild thing he said to me was when I was like oh my god what a week like you know so hard for me I was sick and the kids were sick he was like I know like so hard and I'm like yeah yes and he was like yeah well it was harder for me when you're sick which I guess makes sense but it also you know

moms know like what do we allow ourselves to be out of commission for like maybe I allowed myself like two days you know anyway I mean I guess he still took the rains for like two days. A lot's going on, you guys. We did talk about February being like a TV month. Good shows are back running point with Kate Hudson, obsessed with her. Love it. We have the new Megan Markle show. Sorry, Megan Sussex. Do not fucking get that twisted. By the way, a lot of people were hating and saying like, you know, that's not our last name. Apparently it is. I mean, I'm not going to even say apparently it is her and harry changed it to sussex the kids are sussex so it's official i think the the the point of contention was that in the show mindy kaling comes on who's so funny and she tried

to make a funny little comment about people don't know that megan markle could fucking down a jack in the box like she tried to make it relatable fun funny and she was just like it's so funny that like you're calling me megan markle like that's not my name anymore is silly goose it's sussex and me and was like, I, and Mindy was like, okay, Sussex, like, you ate Jack in the Box. And I think like, I mean, I didn't change my name. I still am Hirsch, which is my, my name. But let's say that I did change it to my husband's last name and somebody still called me Amanda Hirsch. I wouldn't be like, like, I think I've been around a lot of people that change their names and like, you know that it, you know, there's kind of like a buffer zone of like, okay, a doctor's appointments, they'll use the right

name, but maybe people from high school won't or whatever. It's just like a point where you're like, Megan, no, Megan, no. Just in general, you guys, I don't know if it's because I've been out of it, but I've just been getting the ick from the industry lately. Just like everything seems so fake and so unoriginal lately. But again, could be that I'm like projecting. But I'll just watch like talk shows and like, I'll be like, the host is fake. The guest is fake. Like it's just the I'm getting from both sides and like they both fucking probably hate each other. I don't know. And then like just not original. Like I just miss. I miss the old days where like people were original and like dressed different than each other and sounded different than each other and looked different than each other and had

different things going on and different interests and everybody was doing kind of a different thing. I don't know. It just feels like a lot of the same, you know? And it's kind of tiring me, honestly. There was a rumor by the way a couple weeks ago that Mason, Dissick has a one-year-old and everyone was like asking me what I think. And immediately I was like, there's no fucking way. Like, no, this is so made up. Also, like, people believing that was his Instagram account. Courtney came out and said that that it's not true. I actually feel really bad for Mason. He was like, he's like a teenager. Like, he was going to school. People were fucking asking him about it. Like, could you imagine how mortifying. And I think what made people

kind of think it might be true is like the drama with Alabama Barker. but, like, I think they live in the same house, but I don't think Alabama Barker is same vibes as like Mason-Dissick. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like she's doing her own thing. She has her own path. And I honestly don't think it, it, like, affects Courtney. Like, I don't think people are like,

Courtney Kardashian stepdaughter is like in this fucking drama with bad baby or whatever her name is. What's her name? Bad Barbie. No, I can't. I remember when Bad Barbie was on motherfucking Dr. Phil. Cash me outside. How about it?

that yeah she's rolling in 70 million dollars you guys that's what's happening anyway no you can't get sick through a microphone don't worry bitches today is episode everybody i can't believe it i literally can't believe it you guys it's the one the only i mean i feel like he should give him more a promo but you guys it's been a long time coming i would have actually wanted to talk to this guy a while ago but he you know nobody would have wanted to hear him because he was a pariah of society, an outcast, I mean, if people could send him to the electric chair for cheating, they would have. And he made the most genius move of his career, maybe not even knowing that it would be. And when on traitors, where it's just a reality show like competition

game that everyone's obsessed with, by the way, and it doesn't have anything to do with your past, your, your, your shit, your drama. It only has to do with playing the game. and the way he played the game was so funny and so serious and he kind of made a comeback where people weren't talking about the old shit that he did that's now two years old by the way. So yes, it's been two years since Scandival and Tom Sandoval is actually getting love on this season of traders. People are enjoying him. People enjoyed him. People were upset that he got killed. Sorry, spoiler alert. And people are like kind of not bringing him. bringing up the Scandival of it all anymore and are just excited to see him being a fucking

doofus on screen sometimes and, you know, being ridiculous, which if you think about it, he kind of always was. So he's here today. Tom Sandoval, we talk about it all, you know, just looking back at Scandival, if his perspective has changed, his new girlfriend, traitors, you know, all this inside baseball traders stuff that I was really interested in. And that's fucking Sandoval, you guys. Fucking Sandoval! One, two. One, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

You know what that's from? Bram, bram, bram. No. It's from old school Sesame Street. This old, like, jazzy song like, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. I remember. You remember that?

Really? Nobody else remembered that I remember. Yeah. I only know brush, brush, brushy brush, brush, brushy brush. Elmo does it. It's a grape for kids if you need to. to get your kids to brush your teeth. Yeah.

The brush you brush on. I remember it forever. Tom Sandoval is here, everybody. Craig, Kray. Sandy is what I call you sometimes. I love, that Sandy is on my backpack. Really? Yeah.

You got it, like, stitched? It's like a, what is it? Tony Clover. Oh, too, oh, it's a to-mey luggage with Sandy. I love, I used to call you Sandy all the time. I love that. Yeah. I appreciate that.

Do other people call you that? Yeah. Okay. not just me then. Schwartz calls me Sandy. Oh, he does call. Well, I guess Schwartz and Sandy's R-A-P. Yes.

How's that feeling for you? I mean, you know, it is what it is. So learning process and, yeah, it has time. Do you ever see yourself going so hard like you did on that place again? Like the same kind of... I think that, yeah, I don't know if I'm like, I'm ready for a different kind of business. venture. Yeah. Not a restaurant. Just not for the time being. Not for the time being. I think

both collectively Schwartz and I have like a bad, like we just have a, you know, bad taste in our mouth for that. From that business. I mean, it's a hard biz. Yeah, it is. It's been two years since Candoval. Yes. Like, I think it was like the anniversary of it a few days ago. How does it, does it feel like two years? Happy anniversary. Oh, God. Does it feel like two years? Does it feel like two years? Does it feel longer? It feels shorter. Really? Yeah, it does. Like, and how? Tell me. It just feels like so much has happened since then. Like, I feel like I've, like, just so much life has happened that it really feels like a long time. Are you, have you healed from it? Like, you, obviously, we know everything that happened. You were, went through a lot with it. We all saw it. Yeah. Do you feel like

it's in the past in terms of all of that? Like, are you still suffering the, just like internally for you, I mean. Yeah, I mean, I do feel like it's in the past. Yeah. Obviously, you know, everybody, like, I hope everybody else considers it in the past, too. You know. Do you look at it like one of those things in life where it's, no, I'm glad it happened. I mean, that's an optimistic way of looking at it.

Yeah. There are people that say everything happens for a reason. it brought you to where you are today whatever i mean yes i can look at it that way yeah you know it brought me to where i am today but yeah i'm glad it's in the past glad to be where i'm at right here today doing your podcast thank you for coming i'm glad to be here so you're having me oh yeah i i i like where you are now so i i do want to talk about it but just to put the mark on the on the scand of all thing anything now two years later that you have a different perspective on

than, you know, things that you've talked about in the past or that has changed in hindsight or that, you know, anything like that? Yeah, I mean, of course, hindsight's always 20-20. I think that it really, you know, when you go through something like that, it really shows you, like, who your real friends are. And I definitely have more of a focus on what's more important in my life.

It definitely puts in the full perspective you know, being on a reality show and being in the public light, like how much it is a double-edged sword. Yeah. A real double-edged sword. Yeah. And just really testing your resilience

in a situation like that, you know? It really has. Yeah. And you inevitably have to develop thick skin. So your skin is thicker now. Yeah, it is. Like now it's like, what could they say about you? That wouldn't hurt your feelings.

They've said it all. Yeah. I mean, really, the only thing like, I mean, not the only thing, but, you know, my girlfriend, Victoria, I mean, she deals with a lot. Yeah. And I love her for that and many other reasons, but she does deal with a lot. And people are. Yeah. People constantly, like, DMing her shit.

Made up shit sometimes. Oh, yes. Made up shit. shit trying to come between you yeah and just and just saying shit just in general like just saying negative things and I'm like can you guys just leave my girlfriend alone like she didn't sign up for this yeah in a sense of like she's not on a reality show right you know what I mean does she want to be like front facing I mean she's very protective yeah and I love that about her and she wait how did you meet we met through

a friend like who When you were in the thick of it Yes And she knew everything That was going on She didn't She didn't know

How I mean there are people out there That don't watch Vanderpump rules Right You know Yeah There are people out there

I know but it became fucking CNN at the time Yeah I honestly I don't Like I'm not very good With pop culture Like I don't know shit going on

Like I was on watch We should have done the quiz They did quiz You on pop culture Well I mean I was on Watch What Happens Live and there's all these things going on with like Summerhouse and we're having to do these quizzes about I just don't watch reality TV because I get enough of it just living it and yeah from being on Vanderpump rules so yeah so you met through friends

she didn't know she was she came to she came to watch my band with a friend uh-huh and she was like had a blast I didn't even meet her that night because I had to leave town we were actually filming, not like really there much, but we were filming the next day at Cal Chan's like Gold Bar release party or whatever. So I had to leave town and I ended up meeting her like months later. Oh. Yeah. She's Gorge. She's a model. Yeah. And she's, how old is she? She's 32. Oh, okay. You guys are in it for the long, for the one haul? Like you think she's the one? Pop the question finger ring thing she could be yeah yeah like do you live together now i mean she has a place like with her dad and you know and you where are you living so i still like have the house and we've

oh you do yeah you're still havesies on the house yeah oh i thought that was solved well i mean we're trying to get it on the market and it's just been a lot of work why both been busy i don't know just because I kind of have to do everything. Oh, okay. Yeah. Like, at this point, you just have to sell it and split it. Yeah, yeah. That's it?

Yeah, but there's like, there's work that goes into like a house. Like, I just had things repainted. Things have to be like put back. Like, it was work being done in the process. Like, there was work in progress that was happening that had to be like fixed. So where are you out right now? Still work is being done on the house? Yeah.

But it's pretty much ready to go on the market. Okay. I wonder if it being the Scandival house will get buyers, like in marketing perspective. You know, we have to think marketing for this house. I don't know. It's a great house.

It's in a great location. And are you selling it at a good price? Are you trying to make money on it? Like, you're trying to make what you bought? It's like, it's gone up in value since we bought it. It's gone up in value. Yeah.

So you're now living like in a good price. rental situation? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Give us your address for the problem fans, you know? Great. Okay, let's talk about where we're at now with traders. You got on traders.

Yes. Which is, by the way, you did special forces for people that don't know. Yeah. That didn't give you the kind of, it didn't really budge the situation, I would say. No, I mean, it was shortly thereafter. In fact. It was, didn't you leave? You left like...

I basically shot special forces and then I came back in town and went right into season 11 of Vanderpump Rules. Right. Right. Which, how was filming that season, by the way? Pretty much sucked. Yeah.

Yeah, it was hard. Yeah. So how do you feel about it being over? Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. It was a little surprising considering how we left things, but it's been...

Kind of a nice break. Yeah? Yeah. But it's going to be a forever break. I mean, who knows? Okay. You're still leaving those doors open. I mean, I think everybody is.

Oh, yeah? I mean, there's always options. And also when it comes to like Bravo and people that have been on the network, like, there's never, you know, there's always like things that come back around. Yes. And you would be open to those things. Yeah. You would?

Yeah. Even after everything we talked about with reality TV, being a double-edged sword and, you know. But I've been through the worst of it. Yeah. Yeah. Filming that last season and it ending, a lot of people got shit, not just you. Like, Lala was in the thick of it. You know, she got a lot of shit because she was upset about the way it ended.

Sheena got a lot of shit because she was crying over your friendship. By the way, are you friends now? You and China? Yeah. I mean, we haven't like, we don't hang out like a lot. Just because we're in different points in our life. I mean, she has, you know, summer and, you know, we're both just busy. But we do talk.

Yeah. She fucking put it on the line for you. Yeah. You know what I mean? She, watching that as an audience, like, was shocking to see how important your friendship is to her that she was willing to kind of almost, like, lose that friendship. You know what I mean? Like, she seemed to care a lot about you.

Yeah. So pick up the phone. Call Sheena. Okay, yeah. Like one to eight. I just did the other day. Oh, you did? Yeah.

Okay, good. And Lala? Yeah, I hit her up like about a week ago. Did you feel bad for her when you saw that she was getting kind of a lot of shit? I think what it comes down to a lot of times in like with our show and like is when you don't sort of stand by like and stick to something. Because I think where sheena got a lot of shit. was her having my back and then sort of like feeling backlash and then sort of being like, well, I kind of don't like, or I do or I, you know, she's always kind of been on the fence.

And like, did you, did you pick up on that a little bit? Not really. You didn't? I didn't. I understand her. It would make sense for me for her to say, I'm choosing aside. Like, everybody had to. It was a situation.

It was more shocking to me how much she was willing. willing to say, wait, but my friendship with him is so important. You don't understand. And nobody understood. Everyone was like, why? Like what? And she kept on giving examples, how you've helped her in the past. So to me, it did look like she was, you know, putting a law on the line.

And I don't think it's the main reason they're not friends anymore, which it doesn't seem like they are. But I'm sure it's part of it, like that she put that out there, that she was like, no, I care about this friendship, you know? I'm not sure. I feel like... I could be wrong. Yeah.

I don't know. But I feel like, because I remember hearing something like, well, like production made us, production made us type thing after the fact. You don't remember hearing about that? No. Where do you hear about these things? And these are lores, like Vanderpumbalt's lores? No. Production made Sheena be obsessed with being your friend again?

Yeah, not obsessed, but just like, yeah. Oh, wow. That's what she said. Oh. Oh, I didn't hear those whispers So you're saying that was the Flippy Floppy where it was like she didn't sick To that she said it wasn't

Really the situation Okay, I didn't hear that Yeah I didn't So that what, like hurt your feelings That she didn't I mean, I don't know I don't I'm sure you're how

Like you said you learned who your friends were After that, right? Yeah So you cut the ties with a lot Like you kept by I mean I don't know if like it just it just sort of happened i mean when you go through something like this you know rightly so i put myself in the situation i mean and i could have never imagined imagine the backlash

i mean i knew like to the to the to the level that it was yeah but i i mean you just sort of get more introverted you you start to just close up yeah you're just like i've really enjoyed my privacy. Was there any person at that time, because, you know, everyone wanted a piece of this situation, right? Everybody would, if they met you once, they would be like, I met it, you know, like, just everybody chimed in. Was there anybody, which I'm sure at that point, you're like, ugh, like, you roll your eyes. You're like, who cares? Was there anyone that especially, if it was like a random celebrity or I don't know if Rihanna said anything about it, but was there anybody that it actually really got to you because it was like someone that you

really respected or someone you wouldn't expect to come out about this? I mean, at the time it all got to me, but, you know, I, I don't know. I mean, it's so much. I've sort of just, it's like, like you said, or, you know, like we're just talking about, like, it's been a long time. And I sort of just have really tried to just focus on moving on. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be right back after the break. I know that you guys know that I never like to say that things change my life

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Really? You have to, like, read a script. And I'm kidding, I'm kidding, you know. I was like, what? It came about, and I was so excited to do it. So excited to do it. You were a fan of the show? Yeah.

Oh, you watched the previous seasons. Yeah. Okay, so you get the, they come to you. They're like, we want you to be on this season. You're like, I'm in. Yeah. I'm packing my bags for Scotland. Yeah.

Did you think about it in this, like, strategic way? like, this might help me. This won't be about that. This will be about just playing a game. Or were you just excited for a different kind of show? I think I was just more excited to be on the show. Yeah. Yeah.

I was just more like, let's do this. Yeah. Did you, do they tell you who the cast is going to be? No. No. Okay. Were you nervous? It would be like other reality people.

No, I mean, I figured it would be other reality people. Yeah. And then for your packing, how many? suitcases did you have? I think most people did probably a couple suitcases. I packed like two and a carry on. Okay. Yeah. So you were at the same level as other people. Yeah. But you had how did you plan those outfits? Well, it was like two outfits a day. Like how many how many outfits do you need? You need an outfit. An outfit a day. Yeah. So you had them all

pre-planned. And you have to send them in. You have to send them in the production ahead of time to. To get approved? Yeah, I mean, just, just, I mean, they're going to improve stuff, but just in case. And Victoria helped me out as well. Oh, she did? Yeah. Like, a lot, did a lot of vintage shopping. There was definitely some vintage stuff.

Wait, how many days is it filming? Like, what is it? 10. Oh, it's 10 days. Oh, damn. That's not a lot. And I saw you were saying at some point. But they actually film, they, it films a little longer.

It's like 10 episodes or 11 episodes or whatever. Yeah. So maybe it's 11. How many days were you there? I was there for, I did just get murdered. You did. Yeah. I know this is going to come out next week.

So we're going to be after the finale already. Yeah. But you got more, so you get murdered an episode before the finale, which is sick. Yeah. Did you ever think you were going to make it this far? I didn't. What did you think? What was your like if you had to bet with yourself before you went?

I thought I would kind of get murdered or banished. I feared I'd probably get murdered. I don't know, first few. First few days. Did you think it would be because people would have had something against you from the get? I thought that could be something or

just, I mean, I went in there to play the game. Like, I was very excited about playing. Yeah. People could tell. I read this article in Vulture. Did you read the article about you in Vulture? Maybe. I mean, I did a lot of interviews.

No, it wasn't an interview. It wasn't an interview. It was an article about, you called in defense of Tom Sandoval. Did you see that? I did not. I want to check it out. So they were saying, you know, they were being

a little snarky, but not bad, but they were basically saying you were taking everything extremely seriously and it's hilarious. So people loved how seriously we're taking it. But in this article, they were saying that it's like was to a point

where maybe you weren't like having fun because you were taking it. They were like we never saw him playing, what's that game called? badminton badminton badminton badminton they were like we never saw him playing that game with everybody is that true were you not goofing around hanging out i mean there was one point where we so here's the thing when you're when you're when you're filming this show you know you have your like they call it reality time where you go in and you are social like it's basically like social hour yeah and when you have 23 people and you're trying to figure out who

you know, the traders are. You have to go, yeah. And beyond that, you know, they separate you. You're not allowed to talk about gameplay. You're not allowed to talk about anything except like maybe the new Netflix series you're watching or something. But even then, it's like few and far between. You know, you have an hour.

You have 45 minutes here and there. Yeah. And so I would spend that time just like running around the different people and trying to figure out who the traders were. So you weren't there to make friends? No, I was there to play the game. Did you make friends? I was, of course, I, I.

Who'd you buddy up with? Dylan, Ivar, Carolyn. Carolyn. Yeah. Carolyn actually said in an interview that you made them listen to some of your music in the car. Is that true? Well, I mean, we had, we had long car rides and, you know. How long?

Like, what, hours? No. I mean, for going not far. Yeah. It would be like 45 minutes sometimes or like whatever. So why you'd hit hit up the ox? No, no, no, no. Like they'd be like, what song you want to listen to?

So we'd be like, oh, my boy just came out with this jam. And then like, oh, Tom, like you like, I'm like, yeah, you want to hear a song? Like, I put it on. Okay. They put it on. You weren't forcing it upon them. No. Okay.

Okay. It was one song out of many car rides. It happened one time you're saying. Yeah. Okay. And so how many of the people, because we know you came in, Chriselle and Gabby, I think, were kind of the ones that knew about everything and had said something. I mean, a lot of, like, other people had too, but, yeah.

Ivor probably didn't. Ivar. Ivar probably didn't. Yeah. Dylan, maybe, like, probably heard sprinklings of it, but didn't. But did you feel like it was a safe space, or did you feel like you were, what was the vibe when you walked in, aside from Gabby and Crischel. I felt like it was going to be a safe space.

I mean, when I, when I rode there, I rode there with Dolores and Crishel, actually. And we, we rode together the first time we went to the castle. And it was, you know, a bit of a drive. I think, like, again, like a 45-minute drive. Yeah. Yeah. And we're just talking, excited. I think Jeremy might have been in the car, too.

But, yeah, we were just. So, Chrisel was fine with you in the, the car. Yeah. I mean, from what I had gathered, like, we were just all excited and just like, oh, no way, selling sunset. Da-da-da. Like, okay. Yeah. So then. Housewise, like. But then at the roundtable, she like kind of came for you about that. Well, yeah, like in that car ride, she was like, just so you know, like, after we had been in there and like maybe almost pointing, she's like, I do follow Ariana on Instagram. And I was like, okay, yeah, cool. I get it. Yeah. I understand. And that's awesome like I was like a lot of my friends do actually too like not a big deal yeah yeah so

then you weren't expecting her to say that they were friends at the round table yeah I mean I know they took a picture together like six seven years ago yeah once it turned into from I follow ariana to Ariana and I are friends okay and you're coming after me because we're friends and I'm like no I'm trying to play fucking traitors and you're like you were the only one who was looking down when we took the blindfolds off and like that's all I have to go on. Oh, I remember that when you thought. Yeah. Yeah.

But that didn't stick like that kind of vibe. I feel like that was kind of the only moment. No. Right? No, it wasn't. Oh, there were more moments like that. Oh, yeah. You didn't hear like at the breakfast table and yeah, it was I got, I was uncomfortable.

boy, I got scared. I was like, so if I blame somebody from being a traitor, if I accused somebody of being a traitor, they're going to throw that at me, which sucked. Yeah, but it didn't happen with any of the other contestants. No, but it's just kind of like, yeah. Specifically there. Yeah.

But Gabby warmed up to you a little bit, right? Gabby's awesome. Okay, cool. Yeah. Because at the beginning, she was like, I don't know if to say hi, or like she didn't want to. It was weird, too. It was weird, like,

I mean, there's obviously a lot of editing that goes into it. And even after Chrisel said all that stuff and, like, really stuck it to me, which it felt that way. I mean, it felt like, it's like, wow, you went from like, oh, you know, I follow Ariano on Instagram to, like, Ariana and I are friends. Yeah. And you're just doing this because you're mad that we're friends. And then she did this thing that was like, she like put her shoulders up.

She's like, I don't even feel like safe being this close to you. Like, it was so weird. Like you're a murderer. Yeah. It was a lot. Well, it seems like from a viewer's standpoint that you kind of escape that. Like, that the rest of the show was going to move on from that. Was not about that.

Like, even when you had your, like, you were very entertaining. Thanks. Tom, people, let me read you some comments on TikTok in case you are ignoring them. Hate to admit it, but when I saw them kill Sandoval, I stopped watching. His confidence is actually inspiring. I need to rewatch VPR to remember who the villain is. It's Tom, but I can't remember after this redemption arc.

Brough, I can't believe it, but I was rooting for him. Then somebody said he's so damn delusional, and somebody else said, we love a Delulu kink. And somebody said he wasn't good. And somebody said, but he was so iconic. I was sad when they killed him. He is entertaining. He made the show.

What a mistake killing him. him off. These are the fucking vibes right now. How does that feel? Like, how does it feel? No, it feels great. I mean, look, whether they're laughing with me or at me. I'm just glad that they're laughing. Yeah. And not and not bringing up like that this is a new thing for you. Is this who you've been all along? Are you like, hey guys, I've been this goofy dude that takes shit way too seriously and it's kind of funny, which you, by the way, you have been because let's look back at like montage, you bring in the fucking sidecar with Schwartz and old man makeup and drag and like all the things, the extra party walking in on stilts like you've always been.

Yeah. You've always been this way. So it was nice to get that side back. Yeah. So, but the laughing at you, does that hurt your, like when the pits. What was the sweating? What was this sweating? How hot was it? It was fucking hot as shit in there. How hot? Like 23 people in a room 80 degrees and you're wearing a wool sweater because your luggage has been lost. And, you know, I had like, I was sick. Gray is not a good color. Exactly. Gray is the worst color. Dylan actually took his sweater off too. Because he was like, we were both at the mercy of the stylist that day. And he took his off. He had a white tank top underneath no. like, Dylan, you got to put your shirt back on. He's like, fuck.

It was so hot in there. Because people started like saying like you are detoxing or like. Yeah. Did you see that? Yeah. And what do you have to say to that? That's really annoying and fucked up. Yeah.

Because like I definitely don't do fucking cocaine. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of cocaine. Did you see Jacks came out as a, that he was addicted and now he's sober? Yeah. What do you say to that?

I'm proud of them. Yeah. Schwarzy. Yeah. I saw somewhere. Correct me if I'm wrong, people of the world. He said that he's been closer to Jacks since Banderpump ended. Yeah.

Is that that sad? I think we, well, I mean, I don't look. I mean, again, Jacks has cruise and it's just a- Has cruise? Cruise. Oh, the baby. Yeah. Oh, okay.

I'm like a cruise ship. No, but Schwartz is closer to Jackson. He is to you, he's saying. Oh, he said that? I think so. You think so? Wait, you think Jack said it? I don't know.

Is that not true? I don't know. I mean, I don't think Schwartz would say something like that. I just don't think he would, whether he was closer to me or closer to Jacks, he wouldn't say, like, well, I'm closer to Jacks and Tom. Like, I feel like. Okay, maybe Jack said it. Jacks is leaning on Tom Schwartz as much as he can during recovery.

Oh, no. Tom Schwartz reveals he's closer to Jacks Taylor than Tom Sandoval. Oh, really? Yes, babe. Well, they live next door to each other. Okay. So that would make sense. Yeah.

Okay. But your feelings are a little hurt. He's your boy. No, I, look, I don't, doesn't, I mean. But you and Jacks are not friends. No, we are. You are? Yes.

But he always kind of hated you. I just talked up yesterday. Oh, yeah? Yeah. How can you guys be friends after all your fucking shit? Well, I mean. Like, he's looked at you. you in the face and been like

I fucking hate you basically am I making this stuff you guys he has he's come and like he's a I feel like deep down you know what I mean sometimes you get the feeling of like someone doesn't actually from their core like me

like they're not wishing the best for me I think he's just gotten angry oh you think yeah okay yeah love that you're still positive about that I mean I think he would say the same thing Yeah? Yeah, we've been pissed at each other for sure.

Let's talk about a little bit of beauty stuff with you for a second. Okay. Okay, your nails. I see that they have, are they clear polish right now? Yeah, with a light buff. Okay, you asked for a light buff. I asked for a light buff. Do you still shave your forehead?

That's something that's like, that's just the, I did it. I haven't done that in a while, but it's, you know, I did it to exfoliate. That's like first season Vanderbump. Yeah. And you don't do it anymore? I haven't done it in a minute. Do you do any, like, Botox or anything? I mean, I've done Botox, yeah.

I say there's movement. Yeah. Yeah. Do you? Do you do Botox? I haven't done a very long time. I would right now, but I just had a baby. Congrats.

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Yeah, like, would you say, like, that was your play? I would say that there was a lot of people that, you know, Derek was on to him. Yeah. I mean, I think that day at that roundtable, I really pushed hard for it. Yeah. I had talked to Sam ahead of time,

and at that point, I didn't have a lot of credibility going into that roundtable, so he's like, Tom, I'll start it off for you. Yeah. But you thought, you were like, you guys, he's a, like, you were confident. He's a traitor.

Yeah. You guys watching at home, like I was, how can you guys see it? Like, how is he playing you for so many episodes? Do you know what I literally told people? I said, guys, and they're not going to, because it breaks the fourth wall, I was like, guys, people are going to be screaming at the fucking TV. Yes.

I said, guys, people are going to be screaming at the fucking TV, including Bob the drag queen. Okay. And that, like, guys, I said that Boston Rob is a traitor. Yeah. I was like, guys, come on. That was, like, kind of, I feel like, really what, what, like, sparked people to, like, like, Sam and Ivar. Like, I remember sitting in the room.

And, of course, Dylan was there. And he's like, no, no way, man, sorry. That's just funny about Dylan. Like, he looked at the beginning, like, he was just so good at playing the game. But the people that he trusted the most ended up being the traitor. It's like, Danielle and Rob. And he was like, Danielle's my girl. I was like, oh, my God.

Even watching that, like Danielle and her dramatic acting, like falling on the floor, shaking. I didn't even see that. Oh, you didn't notice that? Because I was so annoyed. Because that night, okay, that day, I remember going to Dylan. We got in the car, we rode together. And at this point, it's less people. So you're only riding in the car with one other person.

And I was like, dude, it's Danielle and Carolyn. You know that right. You know that they're traitors. They've been protecting us. I'm like, there's a slight possibility that it could be Dolores. And at that point, I was off. Oh, Carolyn and you were friends. So you thought she was protecting you?

Yes, yes. Oh. Oh, okay. After the murder of plain sight, I was like, it's weird. I was like, think about it. They both have, like, gone after each other, but yet they, like, don't hang out. Like, in the, like, meaning they're, like, Boston Rob and Dylan were, like, always around together. Like, same thing with, like, Brittany and Danielle.

They're always, like, hanging out. But, like, Danielle and Carolyn weren't walking around the castle together. they weren't really ever talking but yet there was this weird underlying thing that was happening between them and I started to pick up on it and I just it just hit me and then I told myself okay well that night so that that day in the castle was the last day that you could recruit as a traitor and so I had thought that Dolores might be a traitor right yeah you were you were hung up on that I was There was a lot of things.

Yeah? Yeah, it seems ridiculous when you watch it and you know that it's a traitor. Right. She was the first one to get off the boat and the first challenge didn't care. She's the, she's... And also she stayed for a long time. Yeah. I mean, she's still, yeah.

She also, like, never cared, never seemed to care about getting a shield. Never really was worried ever about getting murdered. And she'd be like, oh, you know, like, we're walking in the breakfast that day that Boston Rob got out. And she's like, well, I hope. Boston Rob doesn't get murdered. And I'm like, everybody's looking around and like, Boston Rob's a fucking traitor. Yeah.

Like, why are you saying that? Like, it's so obvious that he's at least probably a traitor. Yeah. You know what I mean? He's not going to get murdered. He's going to walk in. There he got his walking out. Oh, my gosh, Boston Rob.

Whoa. He made it through the night. I'm just like, this seems performative. Yeah. Like, there was a lot of things that Bob the drag queen very, very, like I was in the car when he was, he was talking about, you know, something serious and personal with him, but he was very adamant about how he doesn't believe in God.

And then I forgot about that. And she never said anything like, well, actually, I didn't hear that part. Actually, I didn't hear that part in the car, but he said that at the roundtable, and she didn't bring that up until after the fact.

So I'm like, I just felt like she always seemed to vote with the group. Yeah. Yeah. But you were wrong at the end. I was. I was, but I wasn't the only one that thought that way.

The boss and Rob thing was ridiculous. Watching it was screaming at the TV. He's probably like these dumb dumb. But how scary is it? Because I feel like I was trying to think all the time, like if I was it on the show, how would I know what to do? Because on one hand, you want to like find out.

But then if you do, then you have a target on your back and you'll get killed. So how do you navigate that? Like wanting to play the game, find the traitors, whatever, but at the same time knowing that if you speak up, you'll be killed. See, I...

I just wanted to like, when I went on there, I was like, I just want to be transparent and just very straightforward with everyone. Like I don't think I would have done the show if I would have been a traitor. I just would have. Yeah, were you scared they were going to make you a traitor? I was pretty adamant about the fact that I'm like, I'm not. You genuinely think you wouldn't be good at it? No.

Why? No, I just, I just wouldn't. Yeah? Yeah. No. Okay. No way. And there are people that want to be one.

Yes. And that's what I told Alan. I was like, I was like, hey, if somebody wants to do something, they're going to be a lot better at it. If they didn't somebody who doesn't want to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody thought you were a traitor or did they? No.

Huh. They knew. There are some people that like, just like, you believe them, like that they're faithfuls from the guy. I, at one point, somebody said something and I was like, guys, I am not going to come out here at the slight chance to, like, win, money to at that point in time, like, lie and be deceptive. And it's not worth it for me.

That's not fun. That's not what I want to do. I couldn't, like, have fun doing that at all. When you get the letter that you're killed, is it like you wake up in the morning and it's waiting for you? Yeah. So you wake up in the morning, you get dressed, and there's a chair outside. And then you see the note.

You go into a room and you get the in a room. Yeah. But wait, but if you're going to a room. a room than you already know. Well, they have people walk into breakfast, right? Yeah. And then as you're walking into breakfast, they're like, okay, we're going to have these three people go or these two people go.

And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, we're going to have this one person go and Tom way back. Oh, so Tom way back, do you already know? I knew I was murdered that day. Why? I just knew. I just knew it. Because why, you spoke up too much?

Yeah. So see, that's the problem. So how do you play the game with wanting to speak up? get people out and not getting... I shouldn't have spoken up. I was like pretty vocal. I was frustrated because like I was saying before, like I was trying to tell you,

this was the last day that the traders could recruit. So I was like, if there's one day where we don't want to necessarily get... Like, we want to save the people that we think are probably traders for when they don't reveal themselves. Okay. Right? And it was like, Danielle and Carolyn were pretty obvious.

I was like, Dolores could not be. I mean, I've already thought she might be as well. Like, I just was like, if we get a faithful out this night in particular, it wouldn't be the worst thing. Okay. Because then they can't recruit. And we, then we know, like, we know who the fucking traitors are. Right. So the next day when we do a banishment, great.

And then when we get to the fire of truth or whatever it is, if Danielle or Caroline are still there, it's like bye you know what i mean yeah otherwise it's like we get out a traitor that night we i could be i could be like forced to be a traitor dylan you could be forced to be a traitor ivar brittany you know gabby any one of us and then it's like then you got to start from scratch you can't go from like the patterns or anything that you've been watching for the past like several many days you don't have any of that. Yeah. Yeah.

So would you have done something differently to not get killed and maybe stay? Yeah, I would have not been so vocal about you guys know that I was like, you guys know it's Daniel, Daniel's a traitor, right? You would have not, you would have kept that to yourself. Yeah. Really?

See, this is, I feel like the hard part about playing the game. Like, what's the best strategy? Be quiet. Is that the best strategy? Well, I mean, there's a lot of strategies, you know, Did you go in with any strategy to the game? I just was like, I'm going to try to do everything that I can, and I know I'm going to get murdered.

So, okay, you went in with low expectations then. I'm like, I'm going to bust my ass on all the missions or challenges. Which, let's talk about it. Let's talk about your mission, the doll, the dog, the fucking weird doll shit. This was the best, the best TV. I remember I was late to watch. in that week and everyone's like, you have to watch,

you have to watch, you have to watch. Like, it is fucking crazy. Do you see Sandoval on that scene? It was crazy. This was a laugh

with you at you moment. Because again, how did you do that? Never would I ever be able to pick up that doll and it go like, it was so hard. And I can't believe it worked for them to do it on the thing

and that it switched it. I mean, Brittany did help too, but like from the get-go, I could tell everybody just wants to get a shield and they're like... Wait, is that like that in general? Like, do people care about them?

money, like, we're wondering as viewers. I mean, because it seems like, yeah. Yeah, they do. Okay. Yeah, because I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they should, but at the end. At points, it seems like they don't.

But okay, so they do. So everyone's trying to get a shield. You're the only one picking up these dolls. I just was like, yeah, I'm like, okay. Like, nobody also, I could tell like the three other people I was with, they're like, I don't want to, like somebody else take the, take the wheel on this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I was like, I'll just, I'll do this. Were you shocked that it worked? Like that somehow from you making these like weird noises from this doll, they are actually discovering the song. Yeah. Wild. I thought, I thought that you could just do the tones backwards.

And that it would, that would work. And then what I realized after doing it is that like you, you couldn't, you had to do the. Yep. Yeah, like sounds. And you saying you really felt like your musical background assisted this challenge? I mean, having any sort of musical background would help in this challenge, yeah. Sam was saying not great things about your musical ability.

Oh, you said a lot of it. Did you care? I mean, he, me and him were like really cool face to face, but he, he's definitely done a lot of shit talking about me. Oh, yeah. Was that surprising to you? Uh, I don't know. I mean, nothing really surprises me these days. Yeah, but you thought you were cool.

Yeah. I mean, he came in with something that proved, too. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I was saying that I like about the show is that you come on to play a game. Like, there's literally almost zero personal shit, you know, so you can look beyond with Sam, for example. You forget that he was Britney's spirit. Like, I did. I was just watching it as.

Sam. I just took people like, like, your my face value. Exactly. Yeah. Could anybody from Vanderpump be good at this at Traders? I mean, I'm sure anybody could. Yeah? Yeah, if they wanted to be.

I mean, I don't know. Who do you think the most? I don't know. I think, I mean, I know she never really wants to be on the show. Oh, she does? Yeah. I was going to say I think Lala could be good probably. You think?

Yeah. I think Lala would be like, I think she could be good, yeah. I don't know if the traitor is a faithful. I think if I played you guys, I would like just not say anything the whole time. I feel like that's like the safest way to go. You're murdered. And then you get and then you would get murdered.

Yeah. Why? I'm not, I'm harmless. Yeah, but when it's, I don't know, that's like, that's such a boring way to play. It is a boring way to play. It's such a boring. If you, people, the audience kind of also felt like so many people said this to me, that they wish we didn't know who the traitors were.

You agree with that? Like, that it would be cooler. It would be cool if the audience didn't know. Yeah. Because it would create another element to the show. Yeah. Because then the audience would be playing along with you. Right, exactly.

And then you could see people's perspective and you could see the chaos of trying to figure out who the fuck the traitors are. I know. It is pretty like, like you imagine. There's 23 people. Yeah. Like that's a lot. Yeah.

Like seeing a scramble around and try to like. Figure it out. to people, then seeing people, like, start to jump on one person, and you're like, well, I mean, I guess it's not me. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, and then you're just like, I don't think so, but nothing, because especially in the first few days, like, you don't have anything real strong to go on of. And so you're just like grasping at straws.

Would you, because I'm trying to think, do you think it's better to be killed or banished? I think it's better to be killed. Yeah, I think it's a do. Being banished sucks. Do people plan out those speeches? Brittany definitely did. I can tell. But like, I feel like everyone does.

Because you have to end it like, because I'm a faithful. Da-da-da-da-da-m and leave. So, like, you have to have a plan. I think maybe you slightly plan it out. Yeah. I didn't really have anything planned, but I would start planning if I saw. That the roundtable is going. Or like, I'm like, okay, I better plan something cool to say.

Right, because you need something cool to say. But I agree. I would rather be killed. Do you think anybody else in the house that wasn't a traitor would be more suitable to be a traitor than whoever was? I think Wes would have been a good trader. Yeah? Yeah.

He would. Yeah, he didn't really get to show his chops on the show. Okay, question that audiences want to know. Does the time really matter on challenges? Because they make it seem like you're finishing last second. Is it a time thing? It is timed. Okay.

For sure, yeah. All right. Yes. There were a couple times that we actually finished ours a little early. Mm. With the gumpowder, I think we were a little early on that one. Okay. So, well, yeah, they want to, you know.

They want to have, like, but it's dramatized a little bit. Yeah, I mean. How hard are they? And how frequent are they? They're hard. I mean, the clown one was, it's every day. Oh, it's every day. Yeah.

Okay. The bug one, did that really gross you out? Yeah, it did. That when that rattlesnake was, or not rattlesnakes, sorry, that were to that Python, I don't know. That was crazy. When it was around my neck. Yeah. It was crushing bugs around my neck. And the crickets were like biting because they're getting crushed.

No, that's wild. Yeah. It's not worth it. I don't know. It's kind of cool. Like, that's one thing like, that's one thing like when I did special forces. Yeah. What was harder then?

Was it special forces? Yes, of course. Okay, way harder than traitor. Way harder. Okay. When I did special forces, you would get done doing something that was so, so hard. Like, pushed beyond, push beyond, push beyond. And there was something very rewarding about that feeling and knowing that.

That you did it. That you did it. Yeah. Yeah. So this was like, I mean, I guess nothing on you. Some crickets were like, I don't know, special forces. What do you do? Like, fucking skyed.

without a parachute and shit. Yeah, we skydive without parachutes on special forces. That's what you do. And go underwater without like a tank, you know, all those things. Wait, so how many hours are you alone in the castle? Because you said you film for like an hour. So is it a lot of alone time? There were times where we were, yeah, separated for quite a while.

What do you do? Can you be in? You just sit there. Sit there. Yeah. I would die of boredom. Can you be on your phone? No.

No phones. Yeah. So what do you do? Just sit there. You just sit there. Yeah, maybe sleep. Maybe sleep. Okay.

And then you got a lot of comments about how you were eating in the castle. They were like, are you okay? Like, why are you shoving food in your mouth? I don't know. I think I was like stress eating. And also just we would, so we would go to the castle and you're, you go into like confessionals. You get, they do socials, social media stuff. pictures, then you go and do interviews, then you, you know, then you finally, like, maybe it's like

maybe a couple hours sometimes before you sit down and have breakfast. Yeah. And, you know, the ride there is like a good 45 minutes. And then they, you do your social time after that. And then they do lunch right away. And so I would mainly eat at breakfast. Okay. That was your like eating time. Yeah. So you just shove that food in. And when you walked into, breakfast. Did you feel like people were, like, excited to see you? All the time. Or were they like, they're like, yay, Tom's here. Griselle would be like, you felt like disappointed.

You felt that they were disappointed. Oh, that's hard, Tom. Yeah. But you just have to, like, freeze through it and be like, whatever. There are people in the world, like we said, that don't know about the scandal. I saw on TikTok, there was a dude that's like obsessed with you. right are you talking about Jacob yeah yes what so we've hung out it's I saw that talk so the people that don't know there is this dude he's like somebody's boyfriend yeah watching

Travers he was obsessed and his girlfriend was like you don't know like who Tom Sandoval is and and then what happened how did this become he met you um yeah we just started commenting back and he just was super cool and he's a musician he's in a band too as well like uh-huh yeah yeah so what do you mean you met him. Tell me about this. We met at Jones on third. By accident or like a meeting was set up? No, no. We set up a, we set up to meet. Yeah, we had dinner.

You had dinner? Yeah. You and him solo? No, no, no. It was him and his girlfriend and me and my girlfriend. Oh, okay. Oh, a double date. We went on a double date.

Wait, is this, are you friends now? Yeah. Oh, and he was a big supporter. Yeah. And he was told everything after and he was like, still my boy. Yeah. I love that, Jacob. Yeah.

That's fun. Shout to Jacob. Shout out to Jacob. He's super cool. That is super cool. It's nice. Did you set up the meeting? Were you like...

Yeah, I mean, we both did. And our girlfriends helped too. That's nice. So is he normal? Yeah. Okay. He's super chill. Okay, cool.

What's next, Sandy? Would you do anything, other reality? Like Big Brother, the Challenge, Survivor. Like, where does it start? Where does it end? I've actually talked to Johnny Bananas about wanting to possibly do the challenge. And, you know, I have my podcast that's starting back up, my band as well. We have shows coming up.

Yeah. I mean, I just, I don't know. I'm pretty open to like just. You're open. Yeah. I mean, I had a blast doing traders and doing special forces. Yeah. I like doing shows like that.

I want to do my own stuff as well. Like what? Like produce your own show. Yeah. Would you go on the Valley? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm open to it. You're open.

Yeah. You're mostly open. Yeah, I feel like if it feels right. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm, you know what I wonder? I wonder, because the Bravo people, and I've always said this and they scare me. Like the Bravo fans.

The Bravo fans are intense. Intense. So when they come for you, it's literally like, murder. Oh, I know. It's literally, you know, it's rough. I have people that have like dedicated the last two years like just of hating me.

Yeah. That would be fucking scared. But then you're saying, I'm open. I'm like, I don't live my life for those people though. No. I just don't. They live their life for hating me, but I don't live my life for them. Like literally like these people get so excited. Anything that I do like right now, like if my hair

a certain way they're like anything that they can do to pick this a pick me apart pick like this situation apart they're going to do it yeah love it it's like obsessive it's kind of crazy i mean it's it is pretty crazy yeah it's pretty crazy to even they look at me as like i think as like a character or like a villain like on a show or something but i don't know how much real life shit has happen. Like, would any of these people, the keyboard warriors, as we call them, have they come up to you in real life? I've met, yes. I've met them. That said bad, that said negative things to your face? I mean, obviously, I've had people say negative things in my face. But a lot of them are much different in real life. And then if they get to meet me in real life, they realize that

I'm a human being. And they're like reminded that I am a human being. Yeah. Yeah. And it changes. but then they might leave and go back to their... I just wonder, because we are seeing a lot of positive feedback about you right now, right? And that must feel good. Are you trying to remind yourself of how volatile this business is and social media is? Are you letting yourself, like, feel the love and the hype, or are you grounding yourself and saying... No, of course. I mean, it's nice, yeah, but I just...

I know how it is. You know how it is. Yeah. You know how it is. Okay, but I have to ask you a couple more questions. Were you surprised that the Faithfuls won? No. I think it's, I think it, this game is hard for traders to win.

Yeah? Yeah, I do. Wait, so how much money are they splitting? How much money? It's splitting like 200 to 250, yeah. So are you bummed that you're not getting that? I never, no, I wasn't. No?

I never planned. I, I never planned. I never assumed that I would win. Even if I got close, yeah. I didn't go on that show. I just went on that show to have fun and to, like, contribute. Yeah. You saying women are more likely to be cheaters was a moment.

Oh, my God. Was a moment. That's a Freudian slip. It was not a Floridian slip. That's not like, you, when you say Floridian slip, you think that like... Do I know what I mean, no? Yeah, exactly. You know what you mean?

Do you know what that means? It means, yes, it means like that you're... That I really think that. I don't think that at all. I just, at that point, I'm sitting there. I'm so tired. It was after the Doll Hall's challenge. And...

Which he gave Fizal, we all know. Yeah, I'm exhausted. You don't sleep all at night. Yeah. And it's long days. And I just was like, I considered, I think low-key in a, like, I looked at whoever the traders are as they're cheating in the game. Like, they're cheating in the game.

Yeah. That's how you said that. Yeah, and I think that's where I didn't even know that it came out of my mouth. Like, I was like, what? What do you mean? Do you guys like? You know when everyone was laughing? Yeah, I was like, what?

I said, I said traitors. They're like, no, you said cheaters. I was like, I did? I was like, oh, shit. But even that moment ended up being a funny moment. Oh, my God. Alon. The producers were like high fiving.

Oh, they thought they were like. I'm sure they were in the back. I'm sure they were high fiving. They were like, this is TV gold. I mean, Alon was pretty funny when he said, when he, you know, takes your picture and he was like, the only time Tom was faithful. Oh, God.

Alan. Yeah. Did he inspire any stylistic, future stylistic choices for you? I mean, I think he's got great looks. I mean, him and a stylist, like, very creative. I love it. I love it. That's fun.

It's so much fun. What was up with the name spelling at the round table? I don't know. I don't know. What was happening there? I mean, it's, it's hard to remember how to spell how to spell check on a chalkboard. Oh, what?

You spell Dolores crazy? Yeah, it's D-A, right? D-O. D-O. Dolores. That's too good. It's pronounced Dolores. Well, yeah, everybody. That's crazy. That's crazy to you?

If that's the crazy, craziest thing. Yeah. Well, anyway. We knew. at least like next show a fucking spelling bee yeah they need to do spell check on those on those old mini chalkboards Tom Sandoval thank you for coming on

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