Not Skinny But Not Fat - THIS IS MANDY MOORE

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

You know her you love her - It's Mandy Moore!! From This Is Us to A Walk to Remember and now showing off incredible chops in Dr. Death, Mandy is everything you could ever hope for. We dive into how she got her start, how she met her husband, filming our fave movies and tv shows, and how she is a superhuman who managed to film six weeks post partum!!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Mandy Moore. I'm so glad we made this happen. I know. People aren't going to believe it. Honestly. That's sweet. Because you know, okay, we're going to have to talk about the issue. There was an issue. And I don't even know what the issue is. Are you sure? Do you swear? 100%. I'm like too much of a Luddite too to like understand technology and somehow I had blocked you.

You had blocked me. It was 2018. God, I wonder what it, what like how that happened. I know. I swear to God. I like racked my brain. You're not a blocker. Do you block people? No. No. No one's on your block list. I mean, I'm sure. I do have people I think from there was a a time in my life where, you know, that was necessary. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, God, not to be so like cagey.

But I think when I spoke out about my ex-husband, there was just a lot of stuff that sort of came out of the woodwork. And I was like, ah. And then you didn't want to deal with it. Yeah. So I believe you about me. I do. I'm curious.

But it is like, first of all, I'm happy that it's like part of our story, you know, because it connected us in a way. Sure. But I was watching this as us, obviously obsessively. And I was like, Mandy Moore, Mandy Moore. And then I was like, let me just quickly, like, go to her profile for a sec. And then I couldn't find you. And then I posted to everybody like, so weird.

Mandy Moore is off Instagram. And everyone's like, um, no, no. She's definitely not. Amanda. And I literally know what I found because I wanted to find where it was when it was. So I have like my personal account back then. I used it more. And I, I messaged you from there.

And I wrote Mandy Moore. I have another account not skinny, but not. And it seems as though I've been blocked by you or something because I can't find you on there. And now I'm spinning because why would that happen ever? So I didn't know either. It's not like I was like, oh, I talked shit, you know? It's a great mystery. I know that's so strange.

And my sister's here today and she knows like it was like I was sitting at home and spinning like, what would I ever say about Mandy? And also she doesn't seem like the type of person. No. And I was like maybe it's like a trigger word. Maybe my handle like. I know. She was like, what is this? I have no trigger words. I know. So anyway, what ended up happening in 2020, maybe, is a friend of yours. I had a call with her because she works in a management company. Yeah. And she was like first order of business. Mandy Moore is my really good friend and I'm going to take care of this issue. Because anybody that followed me knew that this was like an ordeal for me. Amanda, I'm so sorry. No, it's okay, but I'm happy. I think that it's like it gives us a history. You know?

It gives us, like, a certain underlying tension, like, unknown. Like, it gives something where it's, like, people know how, like, important this is. But then I discovered you and I was like, how was I not following Amanda all along? I know people don't know that Mandy's secretly, like, likes pop culture. Oh, of course. You don't give it, though. Well, sure. Yeah.

I mean, there's. I will let those who have a real authority on it, like yourself, sort of do your job. Yeah. But yeah, I'm absolutely interested in. Yeah. Yeah, you're not above it. Oh, God, no. Yeah. No, no, no. She likes it. She gets into it, you guys. Don't you get a twisted. Yeah, don't get a twisted. Even though you're a multi-hyphenet. What lady over here. I told her before we started, she's just glowing right now in her prime. You're sweet. So are you. 40 soon. 40 soon next year. Are you excited? I am. Yeah? I hear that it's a good decade. I mean, honestly, I just feel like this chapter of my life, like I, you couldn't pay me to go back to.

my 20s. So I just assume that it just continues to get better from here. I mean, not that you were like wild. No, no. But I mean, life was weird. Like messier. Yeah. I had, I definitely had a weird chapter there from like my early mid 20s through like turning 30. Yeah. So I feel like that chapter just gave me a new lease on life. Yeah. And now being a parent and everything that comes along with that, I'm like, this just, it's, I can't imagine it being. It feels like. It feels like. the most you. Yeah. You've ever been. Yeah. So first of all, I know some people are going to be like, duh, but your real name is Amanda. Yes. Do people still call you that? My parents. Oh, really? Yeah. Is that weird or no? No. I mean, they don't call me Amanda all the time, but like when I was

growing up, if I were in trouble, it was always Amanda or the first day of school before I would correct a teacher. Like, no, it's Mandy. I've always been Mandy. Oh, you've, so it's not like a stage name or anything. No, I've always been Mandy. Oh, I tried to make it happen for myself a didn't. It didn't take. You're not Amanda. I guess I'm not Amanda. You're an Amanda. And I feel like maybe later in life I'll become an Amanda. I don't know. You're Mandy. Mandy feels so like silly and lighthearted or something. Yeah. Maybe as I get older and want to have like some story to career. Like when you're 69, you're going to be like, I'm Amanda. I'm in Amanda. And Amanda now. Yeah. So you started at 15 though. I did. With candy. Yes. I know. Were you that blonde or did you die your hair then?

Oh, I died my hair. Damn. Yeah. Yeah. Your parents let you die at that early. My mom was so annoying about that. Oh, no. They let me die at that early. Oh, my God. Did you want to do it? Or was it part of the, like, no, no, I wanted to do it. I had, like, I had been highlighting my hair well before I got the opportunity to, you know, sign a record deal and start making music and stuff. But I think it shifted into a little more, like, intentional once, once, like, I had a career. Yeah. But, yeah, it's so weird to look back on that chapter. Do you cringe at the music video, or do you, do you, like, have fondness? I have fondness. for it now. I think not too, like too far removed from it. I was pretty embarrassed. But now it's,

you know, 20 some odd years later. I'm like, oh, man, sweet Mandy. I just want to give her a hug. She didn't know what she was doing. She couldn't dance. I still can't dance. But yeah. And you tried to in the video. Oh, I tried to. Like you had a full choreography. Oh, yeah. That was a prerequisite. I mean, that was, if you were going to have some semblance of a pop career at that point, you had to try to dance. Did you know you wanted a pop career? Like at that, because I read that you started doing your own music at 13? What does that mean? Well, I mean, I started making music at 13, 14. Like, it's a whole ridiculous story that I found myself in a studio after singing the national anthem. And these guys were like, we've written songs. We'd love to present to you.

And then maybe all collectively we could work towards getting a record deal. And I just thought, that seems like so implausible. But I'm absolutely going to take this opportunity because I want to be in recording studio and I want to be Bet Midler one day and make my own music and be on Broadway. That she was on an absolute pedestal.

So you were like a musical vibes. Musical but also I was like wow I loved beaches. I don't know why I'd seen beaches at that age but I...

No, this is tracking. It's tracking. I loved it. I was like, wow, she's done music. She does movies and TV and she's a household name but she's kind of done it

on our own terms. Like she's such an individual. I can't believe that a 13 Bent Midler was your idol. Yeah. Does she know that? I've met her Yes. And told her and she was very kind. And this is all happening in Orlando.

In Orlando where I grew up. Yeah. With the Backst Boys also happening around me. Yeah. Unbeknownst to me. They hadn't really like taken off. Yeah. Become like household names or anything. Right. And they did start in Europe, I think. They did. Their success, yes. Right. But like all of those, whether it was in sync, Backstreet Boys, Brittany, like the transcontinental records, that guy, Lou Pearlman, like, that was all based in Orlando. So there was just like a factory of. How didn't Luke Berman? find you. He didn't. He didn't. No, I was like totally separate just happened to be from Orlando. All those other folks went to Orlando for that opportunity and I just happened to randomly be there and

grow up there. Do you feel like a Florida girl? No. Yeah, you don't give that either. No. I have no connection to Florida. Yeah. They never claimed me as their own anyway. So I'm like, I'll just go be Angeloino. Wait, but you grew up there for a while. Yeah, until I was 15 and then I moved out to Los Angeles. Do you associate because you were born in New Hampshire? I was born in New Hampshire. Do you feel like a New Hampshireian? I would love to claim that state heard over being a Floridian. Absolutely. So, like, you're a California girl. I'm a California girl. I've lived there for more than half my life. Yeah. So, wait, the story about the FedEx guy. Yeah. That's true.

That all ties into the studio making music. Yeah. Yeah. So the story is one day while working in Orlando Studio, you were overheard by Victor Cade. Shout out. Is he a lot? He is. Okay. FedEx Delivery Man who had a friend in A&R to Epic Records. He sent this friend a copy of your demo that he did with you? No, no, no. He just did me a big favor and was like, I have a friend of a friend

of a friend who works there. And then you signed. And then I ended up signing a record deal from that. Yeah. Isn't that a wild story? Like, how else would it have happened to you think? I feel like you would see that on screen

and think, that can't happen. Right. That's too ridiculous. So far-fetched. But yeah, I mean, again, it feels like a chapter of my life. It's hard to think back to. It just feels like it happened

to somebody else. all together. Were you manifesting it at that young of an age? I didn't even know to manifest it. Right. That's true. That is a new. I didn't even know that that was a possibility. I get like my biggest dream was coming here to New York and maybe fingers crossed one day like finding myself on Broadway somehow. Like I went to stage door manor. I was just the musical theater kid. The camp in upstate New York. Yeah. The Catskills. And I, so that was my dream of all dreams. So it was a dream. Yes. Being in the industry performing all that. Somehow. And I thought, well, if I could. get my leg in the door, like in one way. Maybe that would allow me to try my hand at acting,

to try my hand at, you know, being on Broadway or whatever way I could sort of maneuver into the industry. And it happened. And it happened. And like what a longstanding career too. Yeah, the fact that it's 25 years or something. Yeah. It's wild. And at that time, were you a fan of the Brittany, the Jessica? They were all kind of coming up into the public consciousness Yeah. At kind of at the same time, I was sort of like on their heels. Yeah. They certainly were before me.

And I'm certain that I was obviously my record company's answer to them, like their version of that. Oh, okay. But I wasn't really aware. I think like Brittany, her first song, had just come out as I was like signing my deal. Yeah. Were you aware then that all these women were being compared and stuff like that? Once I had my first single out, I was visiting radio stations and shaking hands and kind

of like finding my way into the music industry and doing interviews and whatnot. And those comparisons started rolling out. I was like, oh, I mean, I got it. Yeah. But also I was like, what? They're becoming so wildly successful. And I'm just a 15 year old who like doesn't know what she's doing. I don't know who I am. Yeah. It felt silly to me. Like how could you even put us in the same sentence? And even as time went on, I felt that way as well. Like what I? Like you never felt like you were there. No, and I never was. Like, not trying to be humble. Like, I just never found that same degree of success. And so when people talk about them as contemporaries and, like, you know, somehow I managed to escape the, you know, wild world that maybe they found

themselves caught up. And I was like, yeah, but I was also two years younger. And I just had a completely different life. And they were so successful. And in such a different stratosphere that I I don't know. I never, I found the comparisons like understandable, but also strange. But did you want that? Like, did you want to be Mandy Moore pop star? Or did you find yourself wanting to do the other stuff like acting? I really wanted to be an actor. Yeah. Like I wanted to be able to get to do a little bit of everything like Bet Midler. Yeah. And I watched the, like Bet Midler. You know her? Yeah. Other women have such tremendous success and it seemed to like disallow them from.

doing other things. They weren't given the opportunity in the same way that I was. Not too much later, where I was able to do a film like a Walk to Remember because I didn't have that degree of success so I think people could look at me on screen

and believably go, oh yeah, I could buy into that being Jamie Sullivan. But I'm not lucky we got mad. What that movie did to us. I mean, what a movie. You're very sweet. And cry. You're very sweet, Amanda.

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I'm a pro. So Dr. Death, I told you when you came in, I binged. Yeah, you guys, I got screeners, okay, I watched it for you. I watched five episodes. First of all, as everyone already knows, I'm pregnant. Yeah. And I don't know if that was a good idea for me to do right before you went to sleep. It was anxiety-inducing.

It was like crazy. And more importantly than me, you were six weeks postpartum. Yeah. No, that's insane. Looking back on that now, I'm like, that was wild. But I don't know, I must have been high on oxytocin or something. I was like, sure, let's move to New York. Wait, so you get this offer to do it like when you were still pregnant?

No. So there was another actress attached. She dropped out at the very last minute. And I got this call like, well, there's the show. It's shooting imminently in New York. Everything's ready to go. Is it something you'd be interested in? And I remember thinking, wow, like, in a different chapter of my life, sure.

If I had just not had, I had a month old baby. I was like, this feels wild, like the prospect of moving a toddler and a newborn and my husband, like, just to a city we don't live in. But I'll read the first couple scripts and kind of, you know, give you a definitive answer. And then I read the first scripts. And I was like, dang, I think I really want to do this. This feels just like a step in a different direction. And also, because I didn't have a ton of time to contemplate that kind of decision, I just jumped in. I think I'm better for it.

Yeah. Because, you know, I came off. six seasons of a show like this is us and maybe I would have been a little bit more precious about it had I not had this opportunity just sort of like fall into my lap and away and I'm so glad I did it. It was crazy. I was like nursing a baby and then doing a take and then nursing a baby and doing a take. So how did it work? Like Ozzy came with you to work every day. And I feel very lucky because I know that is not the case for most new parents. They have to jump back into work and they don't have that luxury. Yeah. So I'm granted. So while you had somebody come with you

came with me and was with me all day and he just like learned to sleep in on set and you were nursing and pumping and shit like that your boobs didn't even look like really well I like completely lost all semblance of boobage I was like what what that is so not fair I never had to begin with but like yeah after I was done nursing it was just like they loaded away into the ether so I watched that show and I'm like oh my god I miss those boots because you had a little bit of I had some boobage because I was nursing, yeah. Wild. Six weeks.

I mean, good for you. That's amazing. And your husband, like, supported this and was like... I could not have done it without him. He's like, it's going to be hard, but let's do it. And I'm so glad that he was game. How long was it for? You're here for five months.

It was five months. Yeah. Yeah. We came right after Thanksgiving and then left like the end of April. You filmed for five months. Yeah. Off and on. Off and on.

Yeah. Luckily, like, there's a good chunk in the second half of this season that they truncated all of my things. He was able to go home for a couple weeks. But yeah. I remember that. I told you. I like literally remember when you were here. Yeah, because we were going to try to meet up. We were going to try to do this back then. Yeah. And it was 2021? No, 22. It was last, this time last year. First of all, love how quickly they turned this around. I know. I love when shows are turned around quick. Yeah. Yeah. We finished in April and then it's like it's out. That's amazing. I know. I also can't believe your son is one. I can't either. I feel like you just gave birth.

Same, same, same. So you do the six weeks after given birth. I just told you, like, I'm pregnant, watching it made me anxious. Did you, like, you must have been, I remember what, oh, my God, I was, I was more hormonal post birth than, like, during. How were you not raging? Oh, my gosh. I felt like I was so hormonal.

I was, like, shooting the end of This Is Us while I was pregnant and nobody knew and I'm just bawling it. How sad it. Yeah. So this felt like way easier in that, in that sense. I was like, oh, I can just take this. hat off at the end of the day and go home and be mom. Oddly, I think it made it easier.

My character's this investigative journalist, and she finds this, like, incredible, charming doctor who's, like, pioneering this field of regenerative medicine where they grow tracheas, like, deep hikes. I know. Breakias will haunt my fault. I know coughing. But he's, like, he's this world-renowned surgeon. She does this story on him.

She's a news journalist who's, like, sort of at the top of her game, and used to being around impressive people, and somehow this guy charms her to the degree that she abandons all journalistic ethics and embarks on this relationship with him. And of course, he's a total con artist and, like, her life unravels from there. And she, you know, ends up quitting her job and is about to, like, marry him. Did you meet with her? I did not. Because the podcast, she tells it in her own words. It's her story. It was very easy to just glean everything from that and from the scripts. And you had like, because as I was watching it, I was thinking about you and the postpartum thing and the hormonal thing and the anxious thing and whatever. And then I was like, okay, but

she's like making out with Edgar Ramirez. Yeah. But she's not having a set. And then you had like a steamy scene. And I was like, I can't believe it. Like how did you do? Did that feel like weird? No. No. I mean, sure, it always feels weird. But like you walk through things so like gingerly and respectfully. Yeah. Like, yeah, never. You get to that point where you're like, Anyway, let's just do what we have to do. That's amazing. Good for you. When I'm six weeks post-birth, I'm going to send you a picture of me in the diaper that I stole from the hospital because you steal like 30 of them. Oh, yeah.

You have to steal the diapers. I'll be like, this is where I am, Mandy. Oh, my gosh. Everybody is different and you may surprise yourself. Yeah. Second go around. I know. And like for an opportunity, like you pulled it together.

Had I not felt good and back in my right mind, I absolutely wouldn't have said yes to this. I was like, sure, yeah, I feel ready to go. Why not? And how was New York for you at that time? God, I love it here. It was cold, though, I remember. You were here like winter. It was cold.

We were here for the winter. It was a mild winter. There wasn't like snow or anything. Thanks, global warming. Hats off. Yeah, thanks global warming. Hats off to anyone who parents in New York. It is so effing hard.

Were you doing Brooklyn? You're in Brooklyn. Yeah. But just having kids in the city, like the, we're so spoiled living in. Los Angeles or any sort of area where we have cars and we can keep strollers and diaper bags and like all of the accoutreement like hidden away. Yeah. This is your, when you leave the house, you have to have your diaper bag, go water. And in winter it was like all of the accessories. Yeah. And trying to keep my toddler like a jacket on and a hat and gloves and. And entertained

when it's cold. We're wimpy Californians. Like you can't stomach any sort of cold. So he would just be like, I'm cold. I'm all done. I'm like, I know, buddy. I'm cold too. So yeah. Keeping him entertained was... Yeah, that's hard. Because in L.A., you can just go play outside here. It's like, what do we do? Yeah. Yeah, lots of indoor, like, playground situations and classes.

But it's nice. You like it. I love it. I love the city. And I love, like, I think that's why it was so easy to say yes for the opportunity. Like, when else am I going to have this limited series? It exists in eight episodes to have the chance to come to New York. Like, I was grateful, but I was on a show that where I was in L.A.

I was home for, like, seven years. So the first chance I got to, like, try something new and be in a new environment was very enticing. And you reunited with Jennifer Morrison. Yeah. She directed the first half, yeah. The first half of the show, which is amazing. And she's great. And she was in This Is Us.

She was. Yeah. She's become a very, very dear friend. I'm so glad I got to work with her on that. I know. I remember you guys posting a lot together back then. She's incredible. I was like, is she acting with her?

No. I didn't know then. And she directed. Just had her director sat on. That's amazing. Yeah. And she was in house for like season. So she has that like doctor. She really does. Yeah. And actually she was a great like resource on set because she'd be like, no, that doesn't work or yes, this is how we need to like film things. That's lean does not look believable. Correct. Yeah. She had like real opinions and like was a real authority on it. No, it's amazing. You guys need to watch Dr. Death. It's so good. I love it. And it exists on its own. Like I didn't watch season one. Sure. It's an anthology. Yeah. Season one's great. I'm going to watch it. Josh Jackson's amazing.

Yeah, like, hello. Yeah. To watch another evil sexy doctor. Yeah. Before you go get birth in the hospital. You're like, oh, medical establishments. I'll just trust. No, but doctor, Grimalti.

Oh, I know. Luke Kirby's character, Grimali. Like, he, like, makes you believe in, again. Gramelli. Yeah. I love him. I love him. Nightmare is about tracheas forever.

You also worked with Judy Reyes this time. Yeah. And did you meet her when you were on Scrubs then? I did. So you filmed with her and stuff? Well, I never filmed with her on Scrubs, but I spent so much time there when I dated Zach and when I did those couple episodes of Scrubs that it was nice to reunite with her. She's so great. She's so great. I was so happy to see her. She's one of those people that you're

like, oh, I'm so glad you're here. So unbelievably talented. Like we need a Judy Reyes vehicle. We need to see her like in a leading role. Yeah. 100%. Yes. I agree with you. So we were talking about your kids before. Yeah. And that you're a mom now and your element. And you're such a mommy. You also pop them out quick. Yeah. Unexpectedly. Oh, really? They're 20. months apart, yeah. Funny months. How is that? Do you recommend doing like a back-to-back situation? I mean, I think it's challenging no matter how you slice it. Yeah. I'm happy. Yeah. I feel like I'm pretty sure our family is complete. I still kind of like keep the door open. I know. Okay. Door open. That's all I wanted to hear. Door open. Okay. But not like, yeah. My husband's like what? And most days I'm like, I don't know. That sounds impossible. Wait, he's saying what like he's

upset about? No, no. What? Like you're contemplating a third? one? Oh, really? We're so tired. I know. We just turned the corner and having, you know, an almost three-year-old and then a little dude who's like on the precipice of walking and like out of baby, baby dumb. Ozzie's going to turn three. Yeah. And then you're going to start thinking about it. I'm going to be 40. So like, I got to get on that train if I'm going to do it. But then like Hillary Duff is one of my dear friends and she's pregnant with baby four. And I'm like, oh, M.G. If Hillary, I mean, Hillary, Matt can do anything, but I'm just, I'm like, wow. Pats off. I know. People with four kids. But she's like, come on. Come on. You can do it. You can do a third. I was like, well, maybe. Well, like, technically, would you want a big family? It's more just like. I'm one of three. Are you one of? I'm one of three. Wait, you're one of three. Yeah, I have an older and a younger brother. Right. Yeah. So me too. Yeah. That's what I was like, I'm one of four. I know you guys math right now. I get it. So I'm the same. Wait, so we want to. So we want to. So we want to.

emulate that technically. In a way, I think my husband, it's just him and his brother. So he's like, I've only ever known two. And I'm like, I always thought maybe two if I were so lucky, but now that I'm, I have to. And I had such, I had very easy pregnancies, knock on wood. And, and a really challenging first birth, but a very easy second birth. And I remember him. Like, I knew when Gus, my oldest was born, I was like, I want to do this again, even though it was a lot. When Ozzie was born, I remember feeling so instantly back in my body again that I was, and it was so euphoric, that I was like, I have to do this again. This is, this is the greatest feeling.

Wait, you did both without epidural, right? Yeah. Because of your. I have below platelets. Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean? It means that my blood doesn't clot.

Like, I have a clotting issue, which doesn't affect me in any other aspects. Wait, doesn't clot as good. Yes, doesn't clot as well. So they worry about that in pregnancy that, you know, God forbid you start. bleeding out. That's why, I guess, like, the epidural, it's the idea of, like, them putting it in your back. Can you take anything? Yeah, I think you could. I didn't. You literally just pushed it right out. Yeah. Wow. Well, you know what? I really wanted to have a home birth the first go round, but because of my low platelets, I couldn't. And then because I knew that I couldn't

the second go round. You wanted, like, the pool of the whole thing? Yeah. At home, I was just like, it was pandemic times. I was like, this feels cool. Yeah. But then the second go around knowing that I had to have a hospital birth, I found a whole new team. And I just love my doctor so much that I was like, just to spend time with you again, I might have another child. Just to like maybe poop in your, but I mean, no one knows. Oh, my God. That for sure happened. I don't know. My husband didn't look. So what? I know. Oh, I remember it happening. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah, for sure. And just somebody like quickly, like, bloop, like, plop. So if I don't remember, maybe I didn't. Maybe I'm just like so.

You didn't. Feminine. I just, you know, don't poop. Ever. So, yeah, that happens. But I really wish I knew if that happened to me. So wild that you did it the way you did it. Yeah. I didn't have a choice. I totally like the first time going to the hospital, I was like, I want an epidural. And then we got there. They're like, sorry. I went there with one opening. And the nurse, where they like do the intake was like, do you know if you want to take something for pain? And I was like, I'm not sure yet. But I'm like, I'm like. dying. I'm probably opening like 10. And she's like, you're opening as one. And if you're dying, then you're the girl that's going to, she literally told me. You were only dilated once in a letter. Yeah. And she's like, if you are came here with your bag, you know, ready to go, you're probably going to take the med. You're a candidate for the pain meds. Yeah. You're not, you're not doing it in a pool like Hillary Doff. Yeah. It's not happening. You would do it. If you didn't have the low platelet thing, you would do in a pool. I was going to try for that. Who knows if I would have

made it through. Would you want a girl, though? Like when Ozzy was, when he found out he was a boy, were you a little? Like, oh, I wish I. I love having a boy so much that I was not. No, I was not disappointed at all. And you have two brothers, too. I do have two brothers. And my husband, him and his brother are so close.

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You're producing now too. I am. Yeah. I hope that like some of the things that are in development are able to sort of come to fruition because they've been in development for a while on the produce yeah it takes a long time and then the strike so that and maybe one day doing broadway maybe did you do broadway i've never done broadway no so that's the dream of all dreams you asked to like do chicago or something i have been asked to do that be told but you know it because it's such this like long held dream it needs to be the

right show would you want to do broadway with singing yeah like a musical yeah yeah yeah yeah Because I saw for the first time, because I've only seen musicals, I saw for the first time, like a play, like a dramatic play off Broadway. It was with Aubrey Plaza. I heard that's unbelievable. I was like, I've never watched, like, straight up acting just on stage, like, without the whole. Impressive. And it was crazy.

I was like, this is because I was also sitting right there and they were, like, spitting on each other. So it's intense. One of the things I love about you is how outspoken you are about things that matter to you. Yeah. On social media, too, with the Sack Strike and everything, like, you posted about that. And you also, I mean, you said that you yourself got a check for, like, a penny.

I have in the past, yeah. Not for This Is Us. Not for This Is Us, but those checks as well. I mean, I was only trying to speak to my privilege that I have as an actor. And I know that I am in a rarefied position and I have made a very good living as an actor for the last 25 years. So if I'm getting checks that little, what does a working actor who literally has to live off of those residual checks that aren't even making enough to qualify for the $26,000 a year you need to get health care in the union, that's what I was trying to speak to. Like, I'm lucky. I'm not complaining.

Like even I've seen this side of it. Yeah, exactly. And if this is how little I'm getting as someone who is the lead on a television show for six seasons that normally would, you know, and back in the Friends days, like, as an actor if you ever got like a hit television show or movie or something like that that those residual checks were things that you could feasibly live off of for the foreseeable future so that just changed it changed with the streaming model yeah so that was one of the things that people were fighting for like if if someone was the lead on a huge Netflix show they weren't seeing residuals in the way that someone in my position like being on a show on a network yeah did see once

and then it goes through streaming platform and you never see residuals are you a happy with the new agreement? I'm happy. Did you read it all? I did not read it all. No. I'm happy that a deal was made and that it was fair and that most importantly it got people back to work. Yeah. Because it just had this. Imagine you maybe couldn't even be promoting Dr. Death. Oh, that I don't care about. I mean, sure, it's nice to talk about. But like my friends who are in Hair and Makeup Guild, who are just our crews who like, who live paycheck to paycheck

who needed to be at work and on set. Um, probably such mixed feelings. Like on one hand, you're like, believe in the cause. On the other hand, people who need work are out of it for so long. For so long. Because the writer's strike started in May and so feasibly, like, the most part, lots of people were not working since then. And it was just like, we need to figure out how to get people back at it. So crazy. Yeah. Well, thank God that's over. Thank God. No AI, Mandy Moore for now. For now. We'll see. So how did you meet your husband, Taylor? We met because of Instagram. So on Instagram? Yeah, because I had blocked him. No. Full circle moment.

Yeah, yeah. No, I'm a Luddite and I don't know how anything works. And I was a really like late adopter to Instagram, but I heard a song on the radio because who listens to the radio anymore, like this cool indie rock like radio station in L.A. And I waited for them to back announce who it was and they never did. And so I went on their website and deduced like who it was, what the band name was. And I went online and looked them up on iTunes. and I saw that they had new music coming out, and I, like, posted about it, essentially. I didn't tag them because I don't even, I didn't know how to do that then.

What do you mean? You posted, like, love this band. Yeah, I was like, I can't wait for this record, something innocuous. Like, this is going to be the soundtrack of my summer. And then a mutual friend of our saw that I had posted and, like, alerted Taylor to that. Like, that's pretty cool. Mandy knows who your band is. And then he found a way to, like, send a really kind email through, like, his manager,

trying to find my manager and I got this email and we then sort of started corresponding back and forth and yeah and fell in love like we went on a date shortly thereafter and had this like epic three hour long date that you know you didn't want to end didn't hold hands or kiss or anything and then he went on tour for four months and I went to London to film that weird movie with Claire Holt our mutual friends where I was just like besotted with this person and completely falling in love with him just via text and like FaceTiming and just like with Claire every day like, oh my God, I'm so in love with this guy. And we've never even kissed before. Oh my God. And then we met halfway through like there was a little break in filming.

And instead of going home, like everybody else went home, I went to meet him in like Canada. And we just like, it was we, it was like a rom-com moment where I rode down the escalator and he met me at the airport and was like waiting at the bottom of baggage claim. And we had our first kiss waiting for the bag to come out. It was very sweet. And then that was it. We've been together ever since. And you're both like same vibes, right? Like with music and stuff too. Yeah. I mean, he is, he's an incredible band and like just a really prolific songwriter and writer and there's constantly music happening at our house. But he never looked at me like begrudgingly when I was like, I want to do music again.

Like, he was such a champion and such a supporter immediately like, yeah, let's do it together. Let's figure out how to, like, it would be so much fun to write together, to sing together. And I'd never been in that situation before. So I was, I was so enamored with him and what he brought to the table. Like he didn't have, like, competition with you. For sure. For sure. He was secure enough in his own skin and his own talent to be like, we can totally do this together.

And it's been so much fun. And you did it together. Yeah, we've made, we've made two records. together like written two two whole albums together we toured together he like plays in my band whenever we play out and about and it's so fun to share that in real life was the last record and then before that was silver landings that came out like literally as the world shut down for COVID the music video is so cute did you guys do it yourself yeah yeah it was so sweet and you had like your friends in it yeah we just like sent out like the bat signal to people like

send us in just like your day-to-day like mundane things that you're doing and your everyday life. Did you write that with your husband? That song? Was it about like? It was about Gus, my son, like coming into my world and like that just cracked me wide open in a way I never get emotional thinking about it. It just cracked me open in a way I never could fully wrap my head around and that just felt like real life. Not everything that came before it. Oh, I got you. Didn't matter. Didn't factor in. Yeah. I love that. And that's another time you were you know crazy pregnant birthing was on the road like trying to tour with

Ozzie I know wait Ozzie was how old well Gus was like 15 months and I was pregnant and Ozzie yeah yeah yeah and I thought okay well I shot most of fifth season of this as us pregnant and so I was like oh I could tour I could go on tour for six weeks but you announced like people knew totally I announced like right before I mean it was again I it was unplanned and so it was like oh well guess I'll just, like, go on the road pregnant. And I thought, and with a baby. And with a toddler. And I was like, oh, this is so easy. Like, I did this before. I worked like two weeks before I gave birth to Gus. So I was like, I can handle being on the road for six weeks. And I'll only be like seven months pregnant when we get done. And I could not deal with it. I just wasn't sleeping. I wasn't sleeping. I was like, I don't want to do harm. And like, you know, when you're not sleeping. Like, the world feels like it's crashing in on you. And I was like, I don't want to. I was like, I don't want to do harm. to my unborn child. So you stopped the tour.

So we finished like at the halfway mark and then I was like, I need to go home. And actually I just was not, I couldn't sleep on the bus. Yeah. And Gus wasn't sleeping. Well, that was ambitious of you to think that you were going to. It was way too ambitious. Like a rock star through like seven months pregnant. I guess that's why I thought, oh, six weeks postpartum, I can do a TV show.

Yeah. Nothing. Yeah. So TV, obviously, you've done amazing things. But you've been in iconic films. Like iconic, because I said so, one of my faves. Thank you. Princess Diaries.

Oh, my God. Saved, which is like, you're crazy there. Yeah. Like, your character is so good. Yeah. She's crazy. Chasing Liberty, I walk to remember that we talked about. Like, you have like some, like, these are like classic, like pop culture. Thank you.

Like in our lives, you know? I appreciate that. What was your favorite? Do you have like a favorite from the movies that you worked on? Probably a walk to remember. Yeah? Like, yeah, that just like is imprinted on me. It was such an indelible experience of, I didn't know what I was doing. Thank God, Shane West was

like so kind, just literally like guide me. Like, this is how you hit your mark. Make sure you have your lines memorize. Like, I was such a newbie. And he was so wonderful. Like that we reached out it in Wilmington, North Carolina. I loved the book. I was such a Nicholas Sparks fan. Like all of it. It was just, I was 16. Like, I was such a kid. Yeah, I was like, I love this. I want to do this for the rest of my life. And it was a great experience. And didn't you come together, like, sometime in Las Feet? Like, you did some, like, picture or something.

Yeah, I got a star on the Walk of Fame and Shane came out and, like, helped celebrate and spoke. That's so cute. Yeah, it was very sweet of him. So we have to talk about this as us a little bit because, obviously, like a six-year freaking show that you were on. So obsessed with this is us. I mean, not obsessed with crying every week and getting migraines from crying. Sorry.

Yeah. That's a lot. But such a good show. Thank you. Did you ever think it would become this like... No. No idea. I remember I had done, you know, like pilot season in L.A.

Like before the rise of like streaming shows. Pilot season was like January to April where all of the networks would sort of cast their new shows and they would film like a bunch of them and then pick just a few that would end up like airing and going on to air. And so I had done four, four, like, pilot seasons where I had gotten cast on a show and the show got filmed and then ultimately, like, not picked up. So I felt really defeated at this point. Like, maybe the universe is trying to tell me that I need to hang up my acting shoes and, like, move back to Florida or study journalism or go back to school. Like, I just, I felt like I was hitting roadblock after roadblock. And then I sort of tried to shake things up. I switched agencies and I remember having a meeting.

And they were like, we're not going to go after traditional pilot season. We'll concentrate them more, you know, on like these streaming shows that are casting all year round. I was like, yes, fantastic. Maybe I'll have more luck there. And then the first thing they sent me was the pilot, this NBC pilot called the Untitled Dan Fogelman Project. And I was like, what? This is exactly everything we just said. We didn't want to do.

And then I read it and I was like, oh, thanks. And that first episode is fucking. It's crazy. That was the pilot that you taught. The pilot, yes. So that's a crazy pilot. It's a crazy pilot. Because it pulls you in, like, it pulls you in.

And then it like just this twist at the end of like, actually, they're the parents. I know, I know, I know. It's in the past. And I remember Dan coming to set, our creator. And he was like trying to tell Milo and I like, if the show gets picked up, we're not going to tell the story. Linearly, it's going to jump around in time. And I was like, but, but, but I don't want to know anything because if this doesn't happen, I'm going to be crushed even more.

So it wasn't until the show did get picked up. And like a couple weeks before I got this script for the second episode. And I was like, wow, it jumps in time eight years. Like the kids are eight now. And do you want me to play this version of the character in her mid-60s? How is that going to work? Yeah. And it was that makeup, though?

I got so used to it, though. I mean, there's part of me that's like, I miss all of it. Yeah. Yeah. Even that I'm like, hmm, it was such a like comfortable like it. How many hours that take in the chair? At the end, we got it down to not the old, like the old, like the old. oldest version took five hours.

The sort of middle ground that most of the show existed in was about three and a half, and then about an hour to take it off. But I got so used to it that I almost could fall asleep, almost could just, like, meditate. You're a patient person? Yeah. I'm a pretty patient person, so I was like, you got to lean into it. You have to just sort of submit. It's not going to go any faster.

And you more than anyone, though, right? I did it because Jack was. Hundreds of times. Yeah. Milo didn't ever have to do it. I think for one or two episodes, like a flash forward. But yeah, me and John Wirtes, who played my husband present day. We did it a lot, but I definitely did it more than anybody.

You know what I was thinking about Rebecca when I was thinking about our interview? That, like, I feel like it was unfair to her that, like, I was obsessed with Jack, right? I was like, I wish I was my dad, best set ever. Yeah. Why didn't Rebecca get the same kind of love? I think she did at the end. I mean, the show is ultimately. like a love letter to her. I know, but she had to like be sick and die. And like, is it our like,

I don't know. To be the unsung hero as a mom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think you were an amazing mom. Yeah. She tried her best. She definitely was fallible and made mistakes. And Jack like said bug two times and what? And we're like, oh, Jack. I think it's easy to deify people when they're no longer with us. You know, he sort of got frozen in time. That's true. This heroic figure. And she had to keep picking up the pieces and moving forward. But I think at the end, like, Dan lost his own mother in a really, like, sudden way. And so I think this whole show was like a love letter to her. So I feel like Rebecca did get her due. I remember when you spoiled the show's ending for me, like you posed about, even though like obviously Rebecca was going to die because we all knew

from like the beginning. Sure. But like I was like, no. Like Amanda. Yeah. There's only one way to end. Yeah. Oh, God. Anyway, that's over now. Yeah. Such a wild. ride from 2016. Like, that was your life. Isn't that crazy? Like, I, I know this is such a weird marker, but I love to think that, like, we were shooting our show before Trump got elected. I was like, what a weird sliding doors moment. Like, had that not been the case? Like, I was like, oh, so strange. That's how long ago it was. That's how long ago it's been. Yeah. Some random things about you that people might not know, which now adds up with, like, the other crazy things that you do. You climbed Mount Everest. I didn't climb Mount Everest. I went to

I did Everest base camp. I mean, Mount Everest is like, that's a month-long endeavor. And people do pass away, trying to do that. But I did Everest base camp. A base, though, is like up there. Almost 18,000 feet. Yeah. And it's about an eight-day journey trekking from, yeah, where they sort of drop you off. Would you do it again? Oh, 100%. I want to do it because I didn't get to do it with Taylor. I want to do it with him. And he's into it, too? Yeah. I made him, we climbed Mount Kilimanjaro together. That was a bucket list thing that I had wanted to do like ever since, was a teenager. And then we did Everspace camp. And I've subsequently did a few other mountains in between. But

I love hiking and climbing. My poor husband, I like made him climb our entire honeymoon. We went to Chile. Oh my God. And did like Patagonia and like the Atacama desert. So you weren't like sipping Ginnacoladas by... I know. We were hiking

almost every day. Oh my God. I know. I got a real winner who just like allowed me to do my thing. But he's into it. Like he's he's he's he wouldn't do it on his own but he yeah he's like he'll he'll support me he'll be by my side how do you navigate social media because like like what you post what you don't post like sometimes like you do post your family and your babies yeah and like do you have any like i don't know i'm curious how you navigate it oh i'm just like i kind of feel the same way like i just whenever the mood strikes me like i i i don't think i could ever have someone doing it

for me. So I was going to ask you because I am seeing a lot of actresses, like, and even actors. Sure. Like, you could tell they took like a social media person because it's like reels and, you know, planned out things and. Which, sure, there's like space for all of that. Would you ever, like, do anything like that, you think? No. I would feel so strange and no judgment. Yeah. I get it. I just, I think because it's just become part of my life to share when the mood strikes me that. And people get in. I think. I think. I think. it's like people get invested when you share and then you feel like, oh, I have to update them that, you know, Ozzy's coffee is gone now, you know? God, I hope so. I hope I get home and

no one's sick again. Oh, no. The cough is like, it takes forever. Yeah, it's like just part of everyone's personality now. It makes me want to cry. What's one thing people would be surprised to know about you? That I'm unsurprising, that I'm so boring. There's nothing about me that I feel like is worthy of being surprised about. You need to stop saying that. I also read that you said something similar. You said something like when you were being compared to the other pop stars. Like you were like what's there to like like why maybe somebody asked you why you weren't like in the tabloids like crazy and how you escape that life. Sure. Like give yourself more credit. You escape that life. I guess you like made. I made a choice. You made a choice. Yeah. But I also like have an incredible

family. Yeah. That's that's that's yeah. That's not everyone's lot in life. and recognize that. Like, I very much lucked out having parents who were invested in being mom and dad, but never wanted to be my managers. Yeah. Never were like, they're like, we don't know anything about the business. Like, we'll just accompany. Are they still in Florida? My parents are divorced now, but my dad is still in Florida. My mom's in Arizona. But I, I, even as a kid, I recognized, like, that's nice. Like, mom and dad are just mom and dad. Like, they're not invested in my career and that way. Because that's when I think relationships can get tricky. So I had a leg up in that sense. I like just, you know, had had a like very

normal family life at the core. What's your Roman Empire? What does this mean? Why do I not understand? I'm totally, I'm such an old woman. I'll explain it to you. It's like, okay, first of all, it started from this TikTok trend or something that a girl would ask a dude, like, how often do you think of the Roman Empire? And it was wild that so many dudes were like once a week. Like, that they think about it a lot? So I don't know. It sounded fake by the end because you're like, oh, my God, all these men just think about the Roman Empire. Sure.

But then it became a thing like, what's your Roman Empire? So let's say my Roman Empire is the 2003 VMA's performance with Britney Spears. And the snake? No. Oh. That was probably like 2000 something two. Oh, the Madonna one. Oh.

Let's say like that's my Roman Empire. Got it. That moment is a moment that I'll think about forever. Do you have one? Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I know. I hate questions that are like, think about an answer. I should have some sort of like. Something Joni Mitchell just like. Yeah. I mean, everything. Johnny Mitchell. Oh my gosh. Wait. Did they make Rebecca like Johnny Mitchell because of you or other way? I think Dan knew that I loved Joni Mitchell. And can I tell you that I have been in, I've shared space with Joni Mitchell and she knows. She knows about the show. She was like, that wasn't my actual house that you guys filmed that for that episode. I'm like, I know Joni, but we couldn't film it.

Because she still owns the house that... Which one? There was an episode back a couple of seasons ago that Rebecca takes a road trip with Kevin to find Johnny Mitchell's house that she lived in with Graham Nash when they wrote our house. And her actual house, she still owns it. And she rents it out to other artists. But we couldn't film in that exact location in Laurel Canyon because it was like too close to the street. And so they picked a house that like kind of sort of resembled it.

But she had a wits about her to recognize like, that's not my house. I'm like, I know. Well, you paid session homage to the whole freaking show. I'm obsessed, yeah. Okay, no Roman Empire for Mandy. I'm going to come. I'll, like, DM you my answer. I'm going to be at home.

Literally, I'll be on the plane tonight. If you let me prepare, I'll have my answers, okay? I'm just not one of those witty people that can think on my case. I hate, no, but by the way, I'm with you and that when people ask me, like, example questions, it's hard for me to think on the spot. I will DM you my hand. I'm going to wait for it. I'll think about it.

I'll share it on the plane tonight. What do you watch right now? Nothing. Nothing? I just actually finished the Bad Surgeon documentary on Palo and Benita. What is that on? It's on Netflix. There's like a documentary series about this actual subject.

Oh, wow. So people can watch both. You're still in it. Yeah, exactly. You're still in it, Benita. Well, I just was so curious because I feel like I've done so much research otherwise. Yeah. Again, like hearing her and her own tell her own story is always fascinating to me.

You were amazing in it as you are in everything. Thank you. You guys watch Dr. Death. It's out now. on Peacock. All eight episodes. We love Beacock. All my favorite shows.

Yeah. Mandy. Thank you. Amanda. Amanda. She made this happen. I know. I'm so happy.

I'm so happy too. I'm sorry. I wish I could figure out why the blockage ever occurred. I know. Imagine it comes to you. Imagine you know those memes that are like you're trying to sleep and then you remember something that happened like. But I'm sad.

Imagine all of a sudden you're like, she said my dress to the Grammys was ugly. No, I'm just kidding. I wish I were that funny. I can't believe it just kept us apart. part for so long. No, Mandy, it's part of our story. Okay. And it makes this special. It's a part of our history. Yeah. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little

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