Not Skinny But Not Fat - Two B’s on a Pod w/ Andrea Lavinthal

Episode Date: November 24, 2020

Style and Beauty director at People Magazine, and a whole vibe of a woman, Andrea Lavinthal, joins me in breaking down the last Bachelorette ep, where Clare and Dale stand now; and how I was threatened to take down that post incriminating dale! We talk about hashtag mom life, her interviews with several of the Kardashians and who was the best, our worthless husb’s and how we're not part of the empowered WAP generation. Produced by Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is not skinny but not fat, and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny but not fat. So my guest today is Andrea Leventall. You're like, yes, it is. Well, I was waiting to see if you were going to weirdly call me like Andrea Levinthal. Like, it's, you know, I'm an Israeli Jew. I think I can say like a Jewy names.

Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's good. Put that on your resume. So I actually, well, we reconnected now on Instagram, which is like a dating friend app. has it become. But and the minute you like DMed me about something really important and it was like celebrity gossip stuff. I was like, oh my God, I know you. And when I had Hannah Burner on the pod when she was

on her first season of Summer House, I was like shit. First of all, I was like, shit, I should watch Summer House. And then I was like, oh shit, I should see what her podcast is about. And I think I listened to your episode first. Oh, wow. And I loved it. And I was like, And she's had way more exciting, important people since that. I was like in the early days when like she was just starting out and she needed to ask her fellow fellow tailor people. I was like, I'll click this one. And I loved it because I wasn't listening to a lot of podcasts, but it was just like you made it interesting for me to hear. I didn't know Hannah either, but she was interviewing you.

And like you made it interesting for me, even though I didn't know you to hear about. about you and I don't know you. Do you know what I mean? Well, she was interviewing me, but I tried to interview her. And she was like, this is my podcast. I'm like, it's my podcast. I just wanted to ask her. You were a vibe. You were a vibe. You're like, yes, I know. Well, I take it as a compliment from you, but I feel like from other people in my household right now, they would be like, yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Well, but more importantly than being a vibe, you're the style and beauty director are people? Yeah, nine years. Oh, I'm G. Louis. So does that mean you write pieces about style and beauty? Yes. So I, like nine years, I've been overseeing all the style and beauty

content in the magazine and on the website. So while I don't write as much as I used to earlier on in my career, I edit a lot of the pages. I do write, you know, but it's like shorter now. You used to have like huge feature stories back in the day, like beauty. stories. Now everything's like a caption because people don't want to read words. They just want to flip. So it's a lot of that. I do a lot of meetings. I'm like really good at going to meetings. What do you do with the meetings? I like nod and say stuff and like what is what I was a meeting about like Haley Beaver is like really like the covers like who's going to be on the upcoming covers. What should the covers say? And then like but then I have fun meetings like the other day.

we were meeting about an upcoming page to girls in my team and we decided we're going to do a page on sense that remind us of the holidays. And it was like we were coming up with all the different holiday activities that like you love to do but can't do this year. And then the corresponding beauty product that we like from everything that's, you know, coming out. So it's like ice skating. And then we found that there's like a candle that's like icicle scented. That's so sad though that we have to settle for a candle. I know. Yeah. And what's even sadder is we did like a version of this in this summer. And we were like, wow. And here we are in the winter doing it again. Oh my God. But can I just tell you, your title used to be my dream. Like if I had to say when I was like 20, like what do you want to be? I'd be like, I'd be like, I'd probably use Vogue, you know? Right. My head would be like in the cloud. Aim high. Thinking right. Like I'm the next Anna Wintour. And what's so funny is like, wait, what did you go to?

school for? Journalism. So that makes sense that you would. Yeah. I always wanted to be a magazine editor. Like I used to take my parents like catalogs and like any magazines they got sent and like read them and arrange them. And like I read all the captions and like the soft surroundings catalog and like good housekeeping and the TV guide. And then at one point in high school, I think I had subscriptions to like seven or eight magazines. My parents were like you're going to have to reel it in. We don't have like eight magazine subscription money. You know what I mean? Like maybe three.

Wait, did you grow up in the city? No, New Jersey. New Jersey. I can't believe you couldn't tell from the accent. I know. I don't know. I think I'm tired. Don't take it as a compliment yet.

Oh, you're doing, I know the four month regression I saw on your Instagram. My heart, but can I tell you something? What? We're going through the 20 month regression. I heard it's regressions from here on out. It's bullshit. All of this regression stuff is just. Well, I thought it was bullshit.

And I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I'm, I'm Jewish, and it's like, every time I tell my mom, like, well, he's sleeping great. She's like, knock on wood, Amanda. Like, yeah. And I was like, mom, he's sleeping really good. Like, what do you want? And then, like, I put it on Instagram. I was like, seven a half hour stretch.

And I, and I, like, should have put a thousand evil eyes and, like, a thousand chamsas. But a day after I posted, thanks for the seven and a half hour stretch, it was like four. And then another day of that, another day of that. so I'm there. But so much other shit is happening. And you're a mom to two. And your kids have really bougie names, right? They are. I named them for like the law firm. I wanted them to open one day. So like, Saxon is my son. He's, he just turned four. And Vaughn is my daughter. And it's like, I named them for the Wasp family. I will never join. Like, it's bizarre. My parents. Wait, your husband was just D? Like, it was your idea and he was like, fine. Well, he knew that there was no way.

they're not going to be like Max and Emma like I love those names but they're not yeah and we didn't find out with either and our list was oh you didn't no and he and they were both surprises so I've learned not to call them accidents because as they get older they could one day listen to this but we started working on a list and he was like with me on the unconventional names and I got him on board so yeah it was fun it was actually really fun to name them so Vaughn was I really wanted if we were going other boy van for a boy. Yeah, that's cute. Like Van Wilder, which is van. And I said, it could even work for a girl. Van would be so cool for a girl. And Justin's like, I draw the line. So he started to like brainstorm and he was drinking heavily at dinner. And he was like,

Van, Lou, Bl, Vaugh. Vaugh. And I was like, cool. She could be Vaugh. She better be hot with that name. No, those are really hot names. How did you come up with Noah, right? Yeah, Noah was my only. It's so funny. I had a list on my, well, I always had like a running. list. But like, I feel like all the girl names I once wanted aren't anymore, but I had like so many girl names. And for boy names, it was like Noah. Like there was one boy name. So it's so crazy. When I found out it was a boy, I was like, oh, but I have that one name. So no. And I'm such an indecisive person that if I had like a list, I wouldn't know what to do. So we were both with Noah. It's so unlike me. The minute I was pregnant, I was like, okay, I know he's going to be Noah. And it's so

funny actually today. Erin Foster, do you know her? She's really funny. Oh, yeah. So she, I put up a thing because there's that guy, Noah, and the Bachelorette now with the mustache and he's kind of cute. And I thought it was cute. And I was like, oh my God, I just love the name Noah. And she's like, she was telling me that she loves

the name too. And she actually converted to Judaism. Aaron did, which is crazy. She converted to Judaism for her now husband. His name is Simon Tickman. Not only did she convert to Judaism for him, which is huge, She took his last name.

She went through all the process. She took his last name. And she's Aaron Tickman. And she's Aaron Tickman instead of being Aaron Foster. And I'm like, I didn't fucking take my husband's last name. And he's Weiss, which is like equivalent to Hirsch. And I'm like, she's, she's really loves him. That's what I have to say.

That is wild. Yeah. I just, you know, I've said this. I said it on Hannah's Puckus, I think. Justin and I never got officially married. we've just, we've been together for like nine years. We have the two kids. If he dies, I get everything. I consider that married. I have right of attorney. I will pull the plug if I have to. Like that's. So we're basically married. But his last name is mine, my whole life. I had to spell. L-A. V as in Victor. I and T as and Tom H-I-L. Ms. Rosenthal. No, Laventhal. It's like it never rolls off the tongue. It's never correct at a restaurant. So I've been like experimenting since we moved. What's his last name? Gregory. That could be a vibe. So I am now going by like giving Gregory family.

And like we are a different, we are a different family as the Gregories and we were as the Laventhal's. No, you are. First of all, you're Greenwich, Connecticut. So I feel like it's a vibe, Andrea. I'm like of the Gregory family of Greenwich. The Gregory's of Greenwich. Like my holiday card is going to have like a giant cross on it. But didn't you feel like, don't you feel a little bit?

Because that was my only thing. I never, when we got married, I was like. I'm not changing it. And I'm not attached to my last name at all. Like, it's my dad and I'm not in touch with him. So if anything, I'd want to not have it. Right. Swap it out. Right. But I was like, when I have kids, like, I'll want to be the same as them. And now that Noah's here, you go to the doctor's office and it's like, who's the patient, Noah Weiss? And you are Amanda Hirsch. No one cares. It's a little bit. I feel like I always have to explain Miss Weiss. Like, I don't know. I just feel like I want to be the same as him. But I don't want to go through the paperwork. I think you, you

You can on paper at the doctor, you can put like Hirschweiss. So you're saying you're going by Gregory, but you didn't change it. No way. I'm not changing it. No, it's like my professional name. It's who I am. But when I make a reservation, especially in Greenwich, you better believe I am now Mrs. Gregory of the Gregory's. Wait, I didn't finish about Erin.

So what I just found out right before this podcast and it was so funny is that, okay, so she converted Judaism for him, which is true love, changed her name for him. I was like, that's even, Tickman versus Foster. And then she had to come up with a Jewish name. Like when you convert, you have to have like a Hebrew name. So she really liked the name Noah. So in Israel, it's NOA, like not with an H. So it's a vibe. Like, it's so cute.

And then she showed me this diamond necklace that she got made by Jennifer Meyer, which like if you guys are on Instagram, you know, whatever. And it's not spelled right. It's not spelled right. there's an age at the end? No, there's a chet. Oh. Oh.

Like they spelled it like no. And she shows me this necklace with diamonds. And I'm like, she didn't know. And I was like. So you had to tell her her Chinese tattoo does not mean peace. That was exactly her response to me. She's like, are you trying to tell? That's what she's, that was her response.

She's like, wait, are you telling me? Yes. That. And I was like, yes. Like, I'm an honest bit. I'm like, go. Now, I mean, I. I, I, I, you are Jewish that doesn't mean you're Israeli.

A chet can be turned into an hay if you like kind of, I was like, I think it's an easy fix. I'm like, just smush some more diamonds on the left and no one will know. Yes, but anyway, so that's funny. What I was going to say, the name's like, all of a sudden she was like, Noah for a girl. And I was like, Noah for a girl. You know how everything starts. Everything starts to sound like Fibo, whatever. Anyway, I'm glad to have you on.

I feel like we would have been friends if you stayed on the Upper East and not in Greenwich. I really blew it. Your skin looks so good. Do you get Botox? Of course I get Botox. Oh, really? And I'm so glad you noticed. And I know that's not the point of Botox.

You don't want people to notice. But it's fresh. It looks really, really smooth. Like a week and a half, two weeks ago. And I feel like I did Botox up here, just a little. And then I did a little filler in my chest. cheeks and in my lips because I have a long, narrow face, as I've been told, by 8,000 hairstylists and makeup artists. And I need a little volume, especially as I get older now. So I like

to pump up the volume. But the whole point is no one's supposed to notice. Oh, but I didn't notice it. I didn't notice in a bad way. I noticed it in a like. Maybe she's born with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's also I put on a lot of tinted moisturizer for you. Like three lines. I layered three different for you. Can we talk about the fact that you're wearing pigtails, which are back in trend? I mean, are they, though? They are. Are you kidding? Once Haley Bebs, you know, had it on for a day. Oh, yeah, me and Haley, though, like, sames. Same Zies. Justin and Justin. Yeah. Did you see she went on the Ashley Graham podcast? Ashley Graham has a podcast called. Everybody has a podcast. Right. But she's more important somehow. Haley Bieber went on her podcast. And she was so

cute and she was so self-conscious that she put up a post last night. And she was like, I just realize I say like so much. And it's so cringing. I just love her. She's in my heart. So I felt bad for her. I was like, she is stunning. She is her style. I mean, as a style, excuse me, as a style beauty and style editor. Sure. Sure. I always tell people, I know how to write about beauty and style. But if you think that I don't text pictures to at least five people, every time I have to like be dressed for something, I need a stylist. Like I don't, people are always asking me questions about like clothing and outfits. And I'm like, at what point should I tell them that I'm wearing Target pants and a Gap shirt? My socks are American Eagle. Like I'm literally dressed like a mall.

But do you know designers really well? Yeah. I mean, I know like I can identify, you know, really, really on on my game, I could be like, oh, that's Louis Vuitton or that's a Versace. But I feel like a lot of people can. Like when I got hired, so I was a beauty editor by trade. That was what I was trained to do when I started my career. And beauty, as my friend Amber always says, is a science, whereas fashion is an art, right? Like you need real chemistry for beauty. And you have to learn a lot about biology and chemistry. If you want to be a good beauty editor, know your stuff. So I would write these like long stories, interview a million dermatologists and hair specialists and fragrance experts and whatnot. And then the job at people required me to do style too. And they were like,

your backgrounds is all beauty. Like, do you think you can do style? And I was like, listen, let's be honest here. Your fashion has a little F. This is not Vogue with a big F. Like I can tell if the trends of the season is red, if three people are wearing red on a red. carpet. You know what I mean? I know how to identify and package and make the content palatable for a reader. But if you think that I'm going to like the Balenciaga show and sitting front row and knowing right, right. First of all, like for example, I'm wearing a hair clip. As a cell editor, you know they're back. They are. Now, here's the thing. Usually when things are back, they're back for Haley Bieber. I don't know how old you are exactly, but like if they're back for you, then it's not really

for you. You know what I mean? Like it's, we should have the rule that if you were it the first time around, you probably shouldn't wear it the second time around. But then again, I feel bad. No, well, I've been in a clip since like forever. So my point was saying that was that people started wearing clips, influencer people. I saw tutorials on like, you take the clip. I'm like, is she doing a tutorial on how to fucking put on a clip? And then I see like one of the Instagram magazines I don't know if it's like not in style something was like clips are back and I was like you are like three months late but yeah you're not like that you're more you're like you're like you see two people with a clip you know it yeah like we see celebrities wearing bike shorts you know

the Kardashians beber we're like fuck this is what's to come yeah like when bike shorts started to like gain popularity in mainstream it was like spring summer and I was like haven't we already had enough with like the pandemic beginning Now, I mean, I can't tell you how many cropped sweatshirts I've been pitched for loungewear, but I'm talking cropped like their boob sweatshirts. They cover your boobs or just a sweatshirt for your boobs. You would have to purchase a separate piece, I guess, for your torso. And like, I actually had a sales girl because I went to a physical store because no one's in them.

And it's my job. You know, I got to be on my front lines. And I was like, I can't wear this. And she was like, yes, you can. The sweats are really high waist. And then you have the crop top. And let me show you on the model, on the website, who's like 20. Yeah, no, no, no.

And her anorexia is on full display. And I was like, are you kidding me? I have two children. No, listen, I regret buying so many crop tops because I, you know, your weight changes. And like, before I got pregnant, I was like, whatever. When I was like super scared, my weight changes all the time. every shirt I bought was a crop. And it's like, then your ass feels a little big.

And you're not going to walk around a crop top with like, well, unless you're Kim Kardashian, but that's like not my vibe. And like, then I have to like hide my ass and like tie a sweatshirt on it and feel super dumb or be like all this shit you bought because you thought you had a Britney Spear's stomach for five seconds is gone. Like you can't wear it anymore. I don't know. The body positivity movement is wonderful.

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You're going to effing love it. Before we get to like a more celebrity stuff and bachelor stuff, you're your mom to too, like you said, and I'm a new mom like, you know. And you, you amaze me following you on Instagram. Like day two, you've got that baby just on you and you're just talking shit about reality TV. And I was like, you're my idol. Who are you?

I started getting anxious. I was like, what if he grows up and like sounds like me? That would be awful. Like he absorbs the negativity. Like he absorbs like or like even my. He seems so soothed by it. I know. It's he's getting to the age where like he wakes up by it, which at the beginning I was

like, blah, no, no. And he was like. And now it's like. You need like six noise machines. If your apartment doesn't sound like a hanger at JFK, you're doing something wrong. Listen, I was just. going to pose something, but I think I, sometimes I'm, like, going to sleep. And I was like, I think about something funny. I was like, I should write and then I fall asleep. But I was just

thinking how, like, I can't fall asleep without a noise machine anymore. Like, I got addicted to the noise machine. You know what I mean? At night, we have like four going. It's unbelievable. Wait, but your kids are big. Yeah, but like, I don't know what happens if I turn that off. They've been listening to it every single day since day one. Well, the little one has two. The big one has one and a half because one just sort of like rattles at this point. I don't know what could happen. Well, the thing is with that is crazy because usually, like, I'm so into the knock on wood. Like, you can't say shit.

But I really believe that when my baby gets here, I'm going to still do my shit. And that's like how it feels. Like, he's here. It's great. I'm still doing the stuff I want to do. You know what I mean? I feel like it's very Israeli of you. Like anybody who's not from America slash the tri-state area knows how to like just have the kid just absorb into your life.

Right? Just immediately get into your lifestyle. Yeah. And then there's like the rest of us who like stop, drop and roll on the ground and need like a baby nurse for three years and like your mother to live with you. And, you know, 16 different sleep consultants. Oh my God. Listen, that's why I hate. I don't mind unsolicited advice. I like it. Like sometimes I'll ask things on Instagram. But I don't like when people are like, take this course, sleep train. I'm like, let me get to like my thing. You know what I mean? I feel like you have a, you have a good vibe with your kid. Like you, you're very relaxed. I don't know how.

It's surprising. My mom is very surprised. Sometimes she, like the way she explains it, she's like, I didn't think you would be like this so caring, so devote. I was like, what did you think I would be? Like, what did you think? She's like, you notice everything. You take him right away to the doctor.

I'm like, did you think I was like neglect? Like, what did you envision? That's really funny. Yeah, she gets, she, I don't, I think it like. comes out wrong. Like she means to say it in a nice way. Like she's really saying you're a wonderful mom. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like, I'm just shocked. That's all. We just didn't know you had it in you. Right. But I think it's important because I think that if I didn't do what I want to do and I would just like go go go guy and gagging all day, I would, you know, my sister was like that and she's Israeli. She was literally, she couldn't listen to a podcast. She couldn't watch a show. She couldn't. Nothing. It's like she had the baby and it was like just baby. Maybe. And I feel like you can do other things. The hard thing is leaving him. Like even doing this podcast for an hour and my husband has to watch him for an hour. It's like he's like, let me get the thing ready. And he's like, can I make myself coffee first? Can I shower? Like he needs to get himself ready for a fucking hour. So I, how is Justin? Was he amazing? My favorite thing is now. Sometimes like Justin's like, I'm like, can you do lunch? I'm going to run out. And he's like, yeah, I can do

lunch. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, so what should I give them? And I'm like, I don't know, look in the refrigerator of the freezer. He's nuggets no matter what. I've never seen him make another thing. So he's like, how many nuggets should I make? This is not. So now I've just taken to being like, oh, I don't know. I don't know. Like I actually don't know how many, I guess. Every time is a different guess. Sometimes it's six, sometimes it's nine. Who could say they're chicken nuggets, right? do your best right you have one child who's 20 months and one who's four estimate it's crazy we should have all been lesbians and raised children with other women well this is why I'm scared to read untamed I'm like you know what's going to happen the Glenn and O'Dowell Doyle book the one with all the like

colors and paints on the front that every woman's been like quoting and posting on Instagram don't even look it up you're gonna you'll become a lesbian just by looking at it is it like a lesbian book no she but she left her husband and did become a lesbian, but it's definitely not a lesbian book. Oh. Let me see if I can find it. But anyway, she's like the power self-help guru. Uh-huh.

And everyone's like, did you read untamed? It's like what eat, pray, love was all these years ago. But it's nonfiction. And I'm like, oh wait, eat, eat pray love is nonfiction too. But this is like a true self-help. And I'm like, no, I can't. I'm going to want to leave Justin and like fully live with women. I mean, I ask our friend Taylor about it all the time.

Oh, right. Oh, so you, so we were saying. saying. So you were on Hannah's pod. And how did you become like a podcast guest all of a sudden? Because I can talk endlessly. Honestly. I don't have like a huge podcast following. You know what it is? I met Taylor. Wait, do you have a podcast? No, it's like a really touchy subject that I'm happy to talk about like everything else. Taylor and I met at Sirius when she was the host of Cosmo radio in the in the aughts. I worked at Cosmo and I was moving jobs within the magazine and they asked me if I would be

the content editor. And basically my job was to babysit Taylor and the other hosts and make sure they didn't ruin the brand name, which they tried to every day. I was going to say so you didn't do your job very well. No. No. No. Oh my God. Every day was like I'd have to be like so today. Oh, so you worked closely with her. I had to listen to all the programming and take notes and sit in on meetings and talk about like how they could like better be on brand. It was a horrible job. But I met Taylor and then I started to come on the show and then I had my own little show. Wasn't she doing the radio with Patrick? Yeah. From Vanderpump roles. Well, he dated Stasi. Well, I knew him as cocktails with Patrick, which was his old show on Cosmo Radio. And he was like, so Taylor was our 8 to 8 a.m. to like 11 a.m.

hosts. She did, some day she did like four hours. He was our evening. He was our five to eight. The women, he was like a god in Cosmo Radio Lands. Yeah. And he was such a liability. Every day he said something that like could have gotten the brands in so much trouble. But the listeners loved him. He was fun to work with. He was just hard to work with. And he and Taylor were like the stars of the station. And Taylor and I kind of stayed in touch and then she left. But like I was, I knew her when she got engaged, the Jewish husband of her dreams. Oh, Wesbend. Yeah, yeah.

And then I remember hearing that she left him and then hearing she was a lesbian. Listen, her turning a lesbian story in the middle of life is so relatable because, and so different, I think, than a lot of stories because she's like, she's so honest about it. She was on my podcast and if you guys want to know what that's about. But she makes it sound like, oh, maybe I should then just marry my best friend and, you know, Right. Because she doesn't talk about it in a very sexual way. She talks about it more in like a...

Taylor's not sexual at all. That was the problem with her hosting Cosmo Radio. She would always talk on the air about like, ew, sex. And I won't touch him and penises. And I'd be like, listen, I agree with you. I too am a giant prude. But this is Cosmo. You got to be Hannah Burner.

Oh, my God. Dude, that's so funny. My little thought squat over there. I know. That's so funny. Sometimes I think about that now when my husband is like, you know, pressing up against me thinking it's time and I'm like I never thought I would be that bitch I also like fooled him because when you first meet someone oh of course and you're like I'm the

most sexual being you'll ever encounter like I swallowed like sorry guys I did and thinking about it now like who are you and why did you lie to him they were devoted to the long game that's who you were Yeah. Like, you were like, I'm willing to make sacrifices now. And then now, you're happy to. Now I'm like, are you really going to spoon me all night and I have to feel your heartbeat and your penis? Oh, terrible. I, my version of swallowing was that I wore a very light makeup application and had my, wore my hair down to bed because I was always like waiting for Justin to text me or call me for like a booty call. So I always wanted to be like, you know, adorable, but like sleeping adorable. So but that required me to have my hair down. Who sleeps with their hair down in beach waves?

Oh my God. And then I would have like a tinted moisturizer, mascara, little blush and, you know, some bomb on my lips. And it was like, come on. I would answer the door. I'd be like, hi. And like tiny boy shorts. No stop. Wait, so you're not together for nine years.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you, well, you had two babies by mistake. So you're obviously, you know, giving it up. You're giving it up. Now I sleep with like my version of like a condom is like eight layers of moisturizer for my head to toe.

I have like so many serums. Oh my God. That's the other thing like for them it's so easy. Like I have my retainer in. I have to shut my eye because it gets like really dry. So I'm like with my retainer with my eye clothes. Like you said with like a face like a like a dewy face and you're like this isn't the time.

But then the morning it's not the time because like I don't like. I don't like my breath, not some, I don't like being, so really there's no good time. There's no time. And they're just going to have to wait until forever. I mean, the problem is nap time is supposed to be the time, but I have 17 other things I need to do. Oh, you mean the baby's nap time? Like the kids nap time? Yeah, like on weekends. And I'm like, oh, God. Wait, why does he ask you? Is he like, you know how on movies? It's just sort of like implied at this point. Really? Like, yeah. And I'm like, oh, God, I would. But. 27 dresses is on TBS right now. And it just, you know, it's in the middle and I love this part. And

there's a commercial shore, but I still need to watch it. Or I'm like, I haven't checked Instagram in 15 seconds and something could have happened. But you know what's so great I feel like, and I thought about this yesterday again when my husband was pushing up against me. And I was like, was that how great is it that he still really loves me and like wants me all the time? that because I think at this point it's like anything like you could like I mean it I know he loves me but I think the sexual part of it is like and I want to believe that it's like that it's sweet you know I don't do enough fun things like when I when I went on Hannah's podcast and tried to interview her about what the youth are doing out there I was like thank God he has no clue because if he

heard this oh my God the options out there are they're just so much more bountiful than they were when I was in my 20s. Yeah. I feel like girls didn't do the stuff they do now. Like, sexually. We didn't have the song Wop. We weren't out there celebrating.

Oh my God. I'm so old. It was like a month after Wap came out. I was like, did you guys know that I mean like literally a month late? A month late. So imagine what it's like to be. And I felt we were saying it.

I'm also like I don't say pussy. I don't like that word. No, because we're not empowered. But I was like. We're like Vaj. J, J, J, Day, my nani. I like rolled into a mom's beach day and it's just because I can't help myself. I was like,

so have you guys seen the WAP video and like six like, you know, moms I just have met and I'm trying to convince I'm normal and nice kind of are like, no, what's that? I'm like, oh, it's a song by Cardi B. It's wet ass. It's word processing. word administering. And then I was like, but it's important, you guys, because I really think we have to normalize female lubrication. Yeah. I like couldn't stop. Couldn't stop. And then I'm like, does anyone want any cheddar bunnies?

Anyone? Listen, forever, we need to keep up, you know? I try. But you're right. People were empowered by it. And I was like, this is Ron Chi. It's like Ron Chi for me. I mean, when I was in the bar in college, I was scream singing, you know, put it in your mouth,

like stuff like that. The girls now, they're out there in the bar. They're screaming the lyrics to whop. I don't even know the lyrics. You know? And they do. And that's a good thing. We need to get empowered.

Yeah. I do want us to get to, aside from our really interesting lives, to get to the interesting stuff that happened this week. Well, A, let's start with the Bachelorette last night. Mm-hmm. The last episode of The Bachelorette. I want to say that it's such a breeze to watch Tati. season after like three episodes but felt like three years of watching Claire and we were all like clenched assholes like, ugh, deal again. And now it's just like, oh, the stupid regular

shit. Like that guy tells on that guy that is here for Instagram and she's like, blah. And like, so now it's just like an easy, breezy what it's supposed to be. I agree. First of all, she's so stunning that it's like hurts my eyes to look at her. But it's also like made the bar for herself so high that if she's so much as wears an outfit that like that gold jumpsuit, I'm like, what are you doing? You're a beautiful girl. But babe, what outfit is good? Because why do they have to dress like they're going to prom?

Like I want, like, I was thinking this today. I was like, wouldn't it be cool if the bachelor came out and like slides and like jeans and like a cute top and like mermaid? Like, why do you have to wear? She wore that black gown with gold. It's like, why do you have to be wearing gown? It was like a cheap Elizabeth Hurley. in the Versace dress, knockoff.

Exactly. Why? I don't know. Let's move forward. Let's wear like at leisure, like whatever they do when they go on dates. But at night, I feel like they need to step back from the Rose Ceremony ball gown shit. It just reminds me of like traditional sorority dressing of what like what they think a guy would think is hot as opposed to what actually looks good on them. And like, you know, they look comfortable and confident. I noticed that Claire.

You know that they hated her because they kept dressing her in white shorts. If you go back and look at her first. Well, you're right. They hated her. So that's a good guess. Constantly in some version of a white short. I believe one of them was even a romper, which is probably the most offensive. I wouldn't even put my daughter who's like adorable toddler in a white romper.

Like nobody looks good in it. And I just thought, oh, someone hates her. She clearly had no style and no taste. That's funny. That's funny that you say that because she was hate. for my inside sources, they didn't like her. But you could also tell,

not only by the way she was dressed, Chris Harrison, every time he talked to you, it was like, so clear. You know, his eyes were, he was tired,

he was over it, or even the way they made her, they could have put in less cringy moments, but they were like, no, she fucking fuck this shit up. We're going to fuck you up

and make you the most, like, I feel bad for, she's, I'm getting messages for my followers and I'm not here to school them, but if you guys are listening, that they're like, I DMed Claire

and I told her Dale is cheating on her and she blocked me. And I want to be like, why did you do that? Like, talk shit about her behind her back. Like a normal person. Like a normal person. Like don't be DMing her. No wonder she fucking blocked you.

But oh, I want to tell this here. I don't know if you were following, but two nights ago, I get a message. For Max? No. Oh, I wanted to tell that story too. I get a message from this girl that's like, I have tea about Claire and Dale.

I was like, give it to me. I'm a loser. are, I live for this. Yeah, you're like, I just have a new baby. It's fine. This is more important. This is definitely, you're like, hold on. I'll put him down.

But really. You're joking, but really. So she sends me this DM. And I didn't know if it was hers that someone sent Claire on Instagram. Claire, Dale is cheating on you. Here is this picture of him at Chipriani is leaving with this girl. I did see this. He pecked.

So you made it because I had to delete it. He pecked her. And then Claire responds, he kissed her. And the girl. girl, whatever. So I'm like to this girl, is this you? And she's like, no, but it's a friend of a friend. I was like, okay, so it's legit. Can I post it? And she was like, yeah. It's someone's cousin that I know. It's always someone's cousin. She's like, yeah, just don't put the names. I was like, okay. So I post it. It goes wild. Like, whatever, people are dying. And then I

get a message from like, obviously, like a non-thumbail person on Instagram being like, take it down. Contact my lawyer. And like, you know, you'll expect a. letter. And like, okay, I'm not a lawyer, but I know that she can't fucking sue me. But at the same time, it's like, I don't care enough to like have this person troll me. Right. It's not worth it. And what's so funny. So I ended up deleting it. It ended up, um, I feel like most people know about it now anyway. But then I get a follow from a new account called like batch tea. Their first and only post is this, like exclusive five days later. So it's probably that girl who wanted to like rise to Instagram fame, except she has three followers.

And what's so funny is she tagged me and DMed me as, as like that new account being like, you can post it now. And I almost wanted to do the middle finger emoji. Like, what do you think? Like what she was thinking probably was shit, this is my thing. Right. This Instagram person is taking, like, didn't give me credit because I didn't out of yet. I want to like come up with a new account.

Right. But A, she's five days too late because. everyone already knows. But I took that down. And I feel bad for her because on one hand, like, imagine getting a million messages a day that are like, Dale Shee on you, you're a pathetic loser. But at the same time, like, maybe you shouldn't have been a pathetic loser. I feel like she can't help. I think it's just who she is. I was listening to the interview that she did with Chris Harrison, where she was like, what he's like, what's next for you to? And Dale's like, well, and she goes, babies. Babies. And Dale's like, and Chris is like, yeah, Dale over there looks a little.

She's like, no, I mean, who knows what's going to happen? And Dale's like, no, we're going to, you know, we're going to get married. Chris Harrison is asking, like, are you going to have babies first or get married? And Claire is just full steam ahead. She's like, who knows? Who knows what could happen? We're just having so much fun. And Dale is literally at the same time saying, we're going to get married first and then what, like, have they met? They're not on the same page. They're not on the same page. But I feel, listen. This is not going to end well. The thing is, like, on one hand, again, I feel bad for on the other hand, she's kind of intolerable. Like, she went on a podcast with Dale and I posted this too.

And legit, she talks over him all the time, which everyone saw throughout the season and interviews. And in this interview, legit, like, they asked them something, like, I don't know. What are you doing today? And he's like, so we're. And she's like, I'm talking. Like an elbow. She elbowed him. You can't do that until you're nine years in and there's two kids.

And you're the recipient of the insurance. What does she think she is, like Bar Raphaelie, that she can be acting this psycho with a guy she just met? Like, I, so that's the thing. I feel bad for her, but like, I feel like her behavior. A, she was awful to the guys on the show. You know what I mean? Even though whatever. Awful.

They all came for followers. So it's not like they deserve. I know. They've really ruined the magic of the bachelor. I know. But then again. But then again, Andrea. Tasia, did you catch?

I was a few episodes ago when Riley, he's one of the guys, he's like very real. I feel like he came on for real. And he goes to her, so what do you do? Which is a funny question to ask. It was the best, best, best time capsule of like 20, not of 2020, but of our time right now. But how did she put it? She said, I travel. She answered, I travel for business and pleasure.

Okay, that's not a job unless you're a stewardess or I'm sorry, a flight attendant. right? So I travel for business and for pleasure in the lifestyle and beauty space. She never said I work or my job. I travel for business and pleasure pause in the lifestyle and beauty space. Yeah. I was like, people, we have our first. My job as an influencer. It was unbelievably. It was unbelievable. Which is nice. I feel like good for her for coming up with that really around the bend explanation of what an influence. I was like, hashtag influencer Tasia, but. And he was like, I'm a, I'm a lawyer, but he had some like actual job.

And he looked like he was, he was like laughing at her. No, he was like, okay. He was like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah. That's all right. His wheels, he was like, so she's a prostitute. Like what? Like lifestyle and beauty.

I feel like him specifically he's less in that world. Yeah, he was like so confused. For Tasia, like this past episode, there was that fucking high school drama with Chasen. and Ed where like every season one person tells the lead that another person using their time

with the Bachelor of Bachelor but I think it's when they know that they're not like They're going down. They're going down. They're like Ed's like listen I have no vibe with Tasia she's not that into me.

I'm not that into her. I'm going to go home. Let me at least go home with a bang and out you know this dude. I'm going to drag him with me. And he dragged him and the thing is

it never ends up well for either. The dragger or the draggy. Like, it never, never ends well. But it was so funny to me and Tasha's like, I don't want someone coming in here for Instagram influencers, to get Instagram followers. Just me. Are we clear? Just me.

Those contracts will come to me and me alone. This is not a joint venture. She told one of them like, I want to build an empire. And I'm like picturing like a lifestyle brand. Yeah. That's what I'm like, what empire did she want to build like a him and hers like fab fit fun boss? A lifestyle and beauty where you travel for business and for pleasure.

Like Dean and Kailin. Do you follow that couple? No. Who's Dean? Do you know Dean? He's so hot. Dean. From the Bachelor?

Yeah. Deany babies. I had to dip out of the Bachelor Bachelorette for like I was so heavy into the world of the Twitterverse around it. I loved it. I always tell the story. So I got into the Bachelor, Bachelorette. When my boyfriend of 10 years and I broke up, at the same time, my two best friends moved away.

So I was a lonely, pathetic loser living in a fully furnished sublet that I found on Craigslist. And one night, it was Ashley and J.P's season, RIP to Ashley and J.P. And I'm home alone because I had no plans and no friends and no boyfriends. And I'm on my computer and Twitter was still like newish to me. and I saw people were tweeting about the show. So I was like, I'll tweet about the show too. And people were like responding and talking to each other. And then everyone was like same time next week.

And I thought, I have plans. I have my first plan. So that's how I got into tweeting. And then it became like a real thing. Yeah. People were so into it. And smart people, authors, writers. Yeah.

And then when the whole Me Too thing started to go down, a lot of people backed off. Why? What did Me Too have to do with The Bachelor Nation? Because there was some incident with Bachelor in Paradise in the hot tub. I don't remember. There was just also, let's be honest, it had nothing to do with that. I aged out of the system. You think?

I felt like I went from being funny and snarky about these people to being the same age as their parents on the hometown dates. And so much more relating to Carol and Doug, you know what I mean, than to like Caitlin with a silent cue. And I was like, why is the dad my age? Like I really was like, I'm too old. And if I'm going to be talking shit about these people, like, it's almost mean. If I made bad choices in high school, I could be one of their moms. Yeah, but did you, yeah, the thing is, is like, I watched last night's episode really trying. Because every episode, I feel like I have to watch in a different kind of like, how am I coming to it.

So this episode I watch is like, what am I bringing to it? Right. So this episode I watched, like, if I was the Bachelorette. and someone blindfolded me, told me he's going to feed me strawberries, and then did, I would be like, what the fuck is the point of this blindfold then? You just told me you were going to feed me strawberries. You'd be like, oh, so you're the dumb one. Yeah. Or I feel like my husband, like when we got together, like, I didn't know that he liked me

because he like didn't tell me. You know what I mean? So I don't think I could. You should have slept in a full face of makeup. would have changed everything. And then I remember he said like one sweet thing. And I was like, so I couldn't deal with a guy being like, I want to know Amanda for Amanda. I would throw up is what I'm saying.

Like I would go for the guy. I'd be like, you, you don't talk. Come here. Like, you're going to win. Like, I couldn't deal with like all these emotions and like, you know, I want to be vulnerable with you. It's just so cheesy. And I would probably just give them a list of all of my prescription meds. If someone was like, I want to know Andrew for Andrea, be like,

okay, so here's what I've been taking. Like, I don't, there's no other way to like explain it. Does any, what does any girl like that? Like, do I just not know? Do girls like when people like talk? You know who would love it? Who? Claire.

Claire would like anyone who wants to know Claire for Claire. And that's not Dale. This is why I feel like we can shit on Claire and why I don't feel bad for her. She's a narcissist. She, her whole season, she was like, you don't know me. for my season you didn't see the part with Juan Pablo

where I was brave and I dumped him after he dumped me because it was so funny to me that they flashed back to that fucking part where he says goodbye to her and she's like

you know what I don't want you to be the father to my and like she thinks she's so brave because after he dumped her she was like well anyway I don't like

you're not brave remember how she told that guy she was like you could tell me that I'm brave and he was like why would I tell and she's like

Like other people, other people think I'm really. And it's like, are you delusional? Like, you think you're so brave that you got dumped. And then you were like, I'm going to get the last word. She's going to go downstairs and be like, Justin, you could tell me my skin looks good. And if he's like, what? I'm going to be like, other people think my skin looks good. Yeah.

It's like a known thing. It's a known thing. I was, that's why, okay, I've decided just now live here with Andrea, I don't feel bad for Claire anymore because she's given us too much. to think that she's like not, she's not deserving of our feeling bad. Like I can't, looking back, like, she made that guy, I think it was Brandon, not a Brendan.

Did he have a why? No. I feel like she made him feel so bad that he like isn't an avid watcher. Again, if I was the Batsorette, would I want a bunch of guys who like watched every season? No. No. You want someone

whose sister or cousin or aunt was like, listen, Stephen with an X in the middle. I love that joke. We, I know, like never. You're like I use it every. Every. I just, it makes me laugh so hard. Yeah. The names, it's like, oh my God. Yeah. But they're like, you're a great catch. You're smart. You're handsome. You're sort of employed. And we just can't figure out why you haven't found the right person. You should go on the show. I know it's crazy, Stephen, with the X in the middle. But like, this could be it. Yeah. You can meet the one, and maybe you'll make a lot of money. You two could be famous together and be on the cover of People magazine. Yeah.

Did you see when Dale posted that? He was like, I can't, which is like, it's key. It's cute. Wait. Did you have anything to do with picking that cover? Oh, of, wait. They weren't people, Dale and Claire. Well, I was, I'm in the meeting, but I, I mean, they made their cover by the skin of

their teeth, I feel. Because there's some real news happening right now. Although they did make it a fun season. You know, like fun in that it was different. Yeah, fun in that even if you don't know, if you don't watch, you know because Claire was crazy. You're like that show is still on. Claire was so crazy that she chose someone. I feel like everyone's in on the joke but her.

I just can't get over it because it's like, how do you not see? Again, if you, if two people meet and it's like tongue all over and like obsessed with each other. But it wasn't that. None of us felt the chemistry between them. it was like her in her own world she saw that he's like part of the special Olympics she saw he has a sister that has is handicapped in some way i'm not sure what's going on with his sister but it made him seem more sensitive and more she she profiled him she was like that's the one i want that's the man i'm going to go after him the thing is claire lacks what i consider to be the

most important trait in another human being and that self-awareness yes i can tolerate your bullshit to an extent if you are self-aware. If you're like, I'm so crazy. Oh my God. Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. If you're like, listen. I mean, that's the thing that makes lunatics, lunatics. But like if someone like her was like, look, I can't help it. I fall head over heels. I act like a crazy stalker. I'm just, that's who I am. And I just want to find a guy who's like charmed by it, who finds it endearing and is like, I love you're crazy. But instead, she's like, we're in love. And we're going to have babies. And it doesn't matter what order. And you even sitting here still? Like, She's just full steam ahead and he's not even next to her.

There's no awareness of her situation and that bothers me. Yeah. And it makes me feel bad, but we're not feeling bad anymore. We're not. We decided we don't feel bad. I know because my followers who are sending her messages, Dale cheated on you. And then the next minute it's like, always has my back. You know, she'll put up a photo like shows up for me.

And it's like, again, those are things that like we don't say. Like you said, a self-aware person. person that knows that the whole world thinks he's cheating on you, hates you, is going to break up with you in two seconds. You cornered him and forced him into this. And you're like together forever and like putting up. But what's Dale's long game here? What's his swallow?

He's swallowing now. I think, I think and this happened with. Swallowing now to get what later? I think some people are in it to win it. And he feels like he won. And if you win, you get the most benefits. like Cassie and Coulton. And I think there's a part of it that's,

you can't be the dick that says no. She cornered him. Remember Chris Harrison was like, so Claire likes you and he's like, yeah, I know, we're going to ride it out and like, I'm going to be here on the one-on-ones.

And he's like, no, you're leaving. And you have to propose. Like, he was a fucking, so what are you going to do? You're on TV. You're like, shit, I'm the whole show. Like, I'll go with it. Like, so many of them are engaged

and don't get married. But at the end of the day, he's seen all around the city, New York City with different girls. He's not. He's, he's Tyler C. Number two.

He can get girls now. He can, why would he fucking get married to a 40-year-old at this point? Do you have any tea on Cassie and Colton? I didn't really watch their season have like super invested, but that has gone dark and I like dark.

I know. I don't have like tea that people don't know. I know that I feel bad because I think that Colton suffers from like anxiety. and a little bit of depression, and he deleted all of his Instagram posts after that went down. I think, again,

he was so in love with her. And that season, what happened was he ended it. The final three, I think it was, I think it was Tasha. He left her, like,

waiting for a date while he, like, Chase after. Tasha, Hannah G. and Cassie. And I think,

and Cassie at that point, her dad came to fucking pick her up from wherever they were in Europe. She was like, I'm at a slumber party. I don't like the other girls. I need to come home. He was there.

And then Colton's like, no, like, you're the one for me. He forced her. And this is what happens when you force people to be with you. And this is why, even in real life, if you have friends that are like, forced their boyfriends to propose or I hate that shit. I hate that. Because, like, do you want to, do you really want to look back and say, I gave him an ultimatum? And he did it. And he did it.

Good boy. On the last day, his, his, his, I know someone very well. too well that she's very proud of it. She gave him until February 2nd to the deadline. And on February 2nd at midnight to the point of like, he waited until he could maybe die or propose to propose. Maybe lightning will strike. Maybe there'll be a fire. Maybe I'll just have an aneurism right here. And it never works out. Look what. So with Colton for people that don't know, you know, they were together and they did last for like a year. But very weirdly, they didn't even move in together, both living in California. So I always knew I was like, if you're not even moving in together, like,

I'd move in with anybody. You know what I mean? I met my husband. I moved in the next day. I'm like, let me see your place. Let me see it. I just want to see if there's enough closet space for me. I live here now. Like, yeah, this is my home. Like, it's not that big of a deal to move in when you're like of a normal age. You know what I mean? So anyway, I feel bad. But that never works out. They're never going to work out. And I hope that Tasia gets, even though I know the ending, but I'm going to pretend that I don't. You do. I know. Okay. Because I had reality Steve on and he was like, do you want me to spoil it? And I was like, isn't that what you do?

I guess so. And then I heard it. And now I'm trying to unhear it. I'm watching it now like clean. Like I don't know. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Well, I'm excited. Now I'm going to watch. Yeah, I can't tell these guys apart still even though they don't look alike. I know Bennett, the Harvard one. I know. I think that he's a, he's a bougie vibe. He's like, yeah. She liked that.

She was like, oh, she was like into it. Even though, yeah. She's like, I like to travel for. business and pleasure. I would really. In the lifestyle and beauty space. In the lifestyle and beauty. I mean,

listen, at least she came up with a good way to say it. Yeah. Before we finish, because I know. We're never going to finish. My nanny's here. I can go all night.

I want to talk about what kept me up at night and not my baby. Legit, you guys. I, the other day was on my couch with my husband. And I'm like, and he's like, oh my God,

what happened? And I'm like, Scott and Amelia, were seen at the beach and he was and now it's confirmed and he was like oh and I was like and now it's confirmed and people that found me know sorry are these are these friends of ours he's like is this a family member why were they at the beach no more like he's like which one is scott and I have to explain to him and he's like which one is Kendall the that's what I live with like I don't I didn't do I should have like before we got married like I was with him for five years but

I didn't ask him if he's like in no that's a other like that's like that's goes with what we're talking about the bachelor like I don't want him to be into it no no no that's like couples who jog together yeah like I love that he's like okay you and your he's like good for you but I don't care he's like Kendall you don't want a husband who is like no who can recite all of the cardette car generous sisters in like age order absolutely not but anyway I died because I always have hope as much as I'm like cynical as like it'll be cynical and sarcastic. I like obviously hope for Corny and Scott reunion like everyone else. I know. You really want it to be back. But then I feel like. Do you think it'll finally make her smile or do you think

not even that? What would make her smile? To be back with Scott. Do you think like then she would smile or do you think her face doesn't go that way? Wait, why you think she doesn't smile? My court. Courtney? My cord bug. I mean, I interviewed her for work once and it was hard because. Okay. So I've interviewed all of them but Kylie. Yeah. Because I was like, oh, I'm too intimidated. She was 18 at the time. She had a nail collaboration with sinful nail color. And I was like, there's no way she's going to talk to me. I'm like in, you know, I'm like in my late 30s. I'm a mom. Uh-uh. So I sent the youngest person on the team because I'm like it'll feel like a peer, like somebody who's like a fan. And I also knew she would give a shit interview. And I didn't want that on my, you know, on my plate. And I was right. Monosyllabic answers. Yes.

And how was Courtney? She's also like that, though. Courtney's also like that. Courtney's cold. Yeah. She's cold. And I tried to break the ice. She's like, yeah.

Yeah. I tried to break the ice by name dropping because she did go to college. I don't know, like forever. Oh, she did. She did. She's the only one that did. Yeah. And she was in a sorority with a friend of mine and then grew up with another friend.

So I was like, she legit knows these people. I can name drop. And she'll know that I'm like. I'm cool, right? Yeah. She'll see past the target sweatshirt and see that. And, you know, she like, I think her eye twitch, which I took as like, I know who you're talking about.

But I'm, and it was for Manuka Honey. And we had to sit there and talk about. Oh, I remember that. Oh, my God. Because she was like the brand ambassador of Manuka Honey. And she does really weird like stuff. So it was a good interview in this sense that like the things that she believes in and does are interesting.

Were those face to face back in the Dizzle? That one was. Yeah. And she's stunning, right? She's, like, so petite. But she's cold. Like, you're not going to connect with her. Chloe will sit there and make you feel like your best friends.

Yeah, that's a thing. I always get asked, like, who was your dream podcast guest? And for some reason, because I'm obsessed with Haley Bieber and Courtney, my followers and listeners are always like, HB in court for like, for sure Z's. And I'm like, no. And I answered this on my last, like, ask me a question, annoying thing. I said the fact that I like admire them is because I'm shallow way F and I like the way they look and dress.

I don't think they would be good podcast, yes. I don't think he's too shy and Courtney's a bitch. Courtney would be like, yeah. Yeah, like she's a bitchy talker. Okay, Kendall, you know, do you ever have like a UPS or FedEx man that seems like mentally challenged but in a nice way? And you were like, I'm going to be extra patient because I think it's so great that the organization works with people. That's how she treated me. No. Oh, wait. She treated you like you're the

UPS guy. Yes. Like she had to be polite because like of course you're going to be polite to the person delivering your packages who also might have like a impairment. But like you don't really want to talk to him. She was like, hi. Like every question was like such a, I don't know, like a pre-baked answer. Like her, what's your best beauty tip? She was like, my sister's always told me not to touch my face. I'm like, oh, because, like, you would break out. She's like, I'm like, are you going to, like, she wouldn't. That's a really good body imitation of Kendall. You guys can't see her, but you did this. She was allergic to me. She, like, wanted me away from her, but she couldn't be mean because I was like a journalist from people interviewing her for Estee Lauder. It's like her big

contract, but she wanted me to go away. That makes me sad. Did you interview Kim? Because I think I heard that. Yes, I've interviewed Kim. She's great. I feel like Kim is. I feel like Kim is. them like quote machine. She's not going to make you feel like your best friends like Chloe does, but she's a quote machine. The first time I interviewed her was probably in like 2010 or 11. She was with Chris Humphreys in the green room somewhere. And I interviewed them like about a laser hair removal at home laser hair removal system. And she was like, well, I first lasered. The first thing I lasered was my hairline. Because being Armenian, I have like a very uneven hairy hairline. And once I smoothed it out, I felt confident enough to pull my hair back in a ponytail.

Boom. I almost fell over. You can't write that kind of content. No celebrity will give you an answer like that, especially not in 2009, 10, when celebrities were still trying to be like, I don't tell you anything. Yeah. You know, I'm an enigma. I couldn't believe it.

She's just talking about lasering her entire hair lines where ponytail looks better. You know, that's good. Yeah. But it makes me, yeah. But I feel like it's not cool anymore. to not be relatable. Do you know what I mean? Like I feel like we're not in, we used to look up to people that we could never touch. You know what I mean? And I feel like now we're at a place where it's like people look up to people that they could imagine touching or I don't know. I just got. Am I? It's the smartest

person you've ever heard in your life. No, you're right. It's like, who cares about Angelina Jolie anymore? She's boring. Yeah. There's no story there. She never let us in. Right. People ask me all the time. But that's a thing, Andrea. And remember what you're going to say. And no one tell me I cut people off. No, it's okay. It's your podcast. Now I forgot.

Oh, you are the smartest person in the whole world. That's where we want. Who is like Easter eggs. And then everyone's like, oh my God. Somehow she manages to not share her life, make her fans think that she's like an open book, one of them. And like, she has a, she has a, she has, her fandom is crazy. like everyone that loves her, loves her will die for her. And she doesn't, she, her only Instagram posts are like, album, Easter egg dropping soon,

but still her fans, which is like, I feel like they're connected. Right. They feel like, so that's an art to. And Selena Gomez, too, she's like, she tells you nothing about her life. She doesn't post any real content that's like just for fun. And then she's like, buy my things. and people buy it. Yeah, are they nine?

They're followers? Because I hear you. I think you're right. When then you have people like the Kardashians who will share, not always the down and dirty, but at least on their show, I guess they do. And they go there and they make you feel like it's your family. You're in it with them.

And so that's why you are so, like, people ask me all the time, why are they famous? And I'm like, because they let you into, their home and made you feel a part of the story. Yeah. The engagement was there, the back and forth, whereas these other celebrities, you don't know anything about them. And, like, at some point, that just became boring, just seeing their faces on a magazine, but nothing else. Like, if you guys look up a lot of different celebs, like, I don't know, Amel Hirsch, okay,

random example. Deep ref. Deep ref. Where'd you find him? So he's a great actor. He's very good looking. He probably has like two followers on Instagram because, you know, like, who cares? You know what I mean? Yeah, what is he sharing? What self-tanner does he use? We don't know because he won't tell us, Emil. But that's a really, really

Are you guys related? No, but I used to lie to people, but his good looks have kind of dwindled so I don't lie about that anymore. But that's a, that's such a good point and that's why you make such a good journalist, Andrea, because it's exactly that. That's why it makes me sad to

hear that when you meet them, they don't make you feel like that. But that's a very interesting thing to think about what's going to be now that their show isn't on anymore. How are they going to make us want to buy the thousands of products a day? Because they need to make a calendar. You can't be advertising

good American skims the Grinch ex-Kiley fucking box, which like, I don't know who would buy. I'm waiting for her to do like her Arbor Day collaboration. Like the Grinch? That is like, Like, she's going to be like, I'm collaborating this week with the color tan.

So out there. I don't know. I, people know I have an issue with Kylie. But what, like, what is, like, if you could just summarize. I hate her. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah.

It's very succinct. Because I feel like most of them have redeeming qualities. I haven't found Kylie's. Yeah. She's also like 20. And a gazelle. I mean, aside from the fact she has a child, she is a child. She is a child.

I was a child's at 20. I don't vibe with her. I was still on my parents' insurance plan. Yeah. I don't vibe with her either. I don't vibe with her. Andrea, you're going to have to come back because. I was going to say our next conversation, I want to know your thoughts on every influencer.

I'm just going to throw names out of the next time. I mean, and I just want to. I'm a shit talker. So we can do it. We could do it. What would you say? I am too. I love to talk shit and pretend no one's going to hear.

No, I just want to say for everyone, um, this. episode, the previous episode was reality Steve. And like, I thought he talked shit for a living and he like wouldn't talk shit. So not everyone does. You'd be surprised that there are not many people left, just willing to talk shit and they don't care

if it comes to bite them in the ass. So I'm glad I found you. Andrea Leventhal. Everyone find her on Instagram, Twitter. Andy Labs. Andy Labs. Andy Labs. Andy Labs. Andy Labs. She left up. She left the city but the city never left.

her. Thank you so much for coming and talking with me today. And I'm sure it won't be the last time. I hope not. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoochero. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you. next Tuesday.