Not Skinny But Not Fat - Vanderpump Rules: The Season, The Reunion, The Drama, and the Firings!

Episode Date: June 16, 2020

To discuss everything going on in Vanderpump Rules world, I am joined by Zarria Marsh, who runs VPR’s biggest fan account @_surrules on Instagram. We discuss the season, the wedding, the reunion, and of course former castmate Faith Stowers recently going public with how she was treated by the cast when she was on the show, and specifically what went down with now fired OG castmates, Stassi Schroder and Kristen Doute.  This episode was brought to you by: Sun Basket delivers healthy, delicious meals straight to your door. Sun Basket is offering $35 off your order when you go right now to SunBasket.com/notskinny and enter promo code "NOTSKINNY" at checkout. Prose is the healthy hair regimen with your name all over it. Get a FREE consultation and 15% off your first order today! Go to prose.com/notskinny for a free consultation and 15% off. The Not Skinny But Not Fat Podcast is produced by The Podglomerate.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I think she lost her book deal for book number two. She did? I think she did. Yeah. And then the show, obviously, so many partnerships. And she had a bridal article for a column. Oh, whatever. That's probably made like a dollar off of.

That's not a big deal. It was like in the bridal column she hasn't written in since like, you know, December 2000. I'm like, no one cares about that. She doesn't care about the fucking bridal column. This is not skinny but not fat. I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about.

This is not skinny, but not fat. Okay, guys, welcome to my podcast. And with me, I have Zaria Marsh. She hides behind the account. Sir Rules, which I'm just, you know, we just met like, well, we've been like Instagram friends for like a really long time, but we never officially met and I've wanted you to come on my podcast for a really long time and talk VPR. And now there's lots of VPR stuff to talk about. Yeah. So we have a lot to discuss. I'm sure you're like, first of all, you're so good at

giving the information. Like if you guys love Vanderpump Rules, then follows Aria at Sir Rules. There's the official Sir Rules Instagram, right? Mm-hmm. And then I'm underscore Surrules. Wait, so the official one is what? The restaurant? Yeah, the official one is the restaurant, which they don't need it. They don't need it.

They need to give you the handle. What the fuck? Right. Wait, first of all, have you been to Sir Rules? I have. I've been to Sir. I've been to Sir twice now. And thoughts?

It's amazing. Everyone's nice. I met Guillermo there, Peter, and Dan. I met a lot of. them actually. But the food is amazing. Stasi's obsession with goat cheese balls is not fake. They're really that. Wait, I don't know if you know that I have a different opinion than you on this. Do you? I don't know that. Okay. So I went to L.A. last year and was like literally trying to plan my vacation by how many of LVP restaurants I can like hit up without my husband divorcing me.

So, sir, I was like, I have to. First of all, I'm in. idiot. I went on Memorial Day or something. So it was dead. They closed the garden. Like, it was the worst, like, in terms of the vibe. Peter was there because, like, Peter's always there. But I was too embarrassed to even say anything. I was like, I don't know, you know, you know, like I pretended like I'm not a huge fan. I feel like, do you get the vibe when you go there, like when you've been there the three times? Like, everyone's pretending like they're not there because of Vanderpump, but everyone secretly is there because of Vanderpump. Absolutely. Right? You're like, everyone's like,

huh, trying to like see who's working. Yeah. Okay. So A, I ordered the goat cheese balls, Aria. Stasi talked them up too much. Oh, maybe. It just wasn't like, someone talked about a movie and they're like, it's so amazing. Right. Right. You're like, oh. Right. So for me, that was that. And then I ordered a steak, which like you don't do, but I think I was trying to like not eat pasta because I'd eaten John and Vinny's like for breakfast that day or something. And I was like, I asked for like medium and they gave me like media like well done and I sent it back.

Uh-huh. Oh. And I was like, oh my God, is Peter going to like be the one to like do this? Anyway, um, so serve rules. How did you start this account like so obsessed with the show? Did you start the account with the start of the show? Like what was it eight years ago? Uh, no, actually.

I didn't know about the show season one and then found out about a season two. two because I saw Stasi and I recognized her from a show I used to watch before. What was it? The Queen Bees? Queen Bees. So, and I liked her in Queen Bees. I was like, huh, I'll check it out. And then obsessed. Season three, I started the account. And it was mainly because none of my friends watched it. Like, I had never watched Bravo before. And none of them, so I had never seen a housewives or anything. None of my friends watched it. I'm like, I need people to talk to. So that's just where it came from. Oh, my God. And then it became like,

you literally need to, like, give all the info all the time. Like, you recap the shows. And you're really, you really do a good job about it, like, that, that I know you, you kind of, like, love everyone, right? Yeah. We're going to talk about what happened now later. But I'm just saying in terms of, like, what your account is about, like, she loves everyone. Everyone's beautiful and amazing.

She's not, she's so supportive of, like, every cast member. But do you have, like, a favorite? Well, my favorite has always been Stasi. because she's the one that's why you started it. Yeah. Yeah, she's why I started it. So she's always been my favorite. And then probably like second to Stasi, probably Ariana. I've always left Ariana. Rihanna's so cool. I feel like when she first came on, I was like slightly intimidated by her. And then I met her and had her on my podcast. And I was like, you're the sweetest person actually like ever. Yeah. And I saw her. And just like hearing about the things that she does.

and at BravoCon, she was super cool. She, like, wore, do you remember the Jack's t-shirt drama? Yeah. With the, what was it? Blocked? What was it? Blog by Jacks on Twitter or something like that. Right.

So, whatever, we won't get into it. It's an old thing. But Ariana, like, supported the original creator from Etsy of the t-shirt and wore her T-shirt of BravoCon. She does really cool things. She's down to Earth, and she's super cool. And you like Lala, too, now. Yeah, I like La La La La La La makes me laugh all the time. I don't know. She's just, she is who she is. She's

always extra and she just makes me laugh. I don't. But what do you think about her this season? Because I feel like, okay, Randall's supposedly on, but like not really in terms of like they're not showing her life. They're not showing her drama. And all of a sudden like it dawned on me. I'm like, Lala, you don't show shit. Like, you're just in other people's business, and, like, she's like Cameron on Southern Charm. I don't know if you've ever seen Southern Charm, but it's like you, Lala does such a good job of making you think she's, like, showing her stuff, but she's not. She's basically in Kristen and Carter's business, then she butts into James's business. So do you still love her after this season? Do you feel like there's something, like, about that that she's not actually, like, sharing her shit?

I did notice that when I was watching this week's reunion, I was like, wait, like, no question is really directed towards Lala. She's just more like inserting herself, which honestly, if you want to, like, it's a good hide to me. Like, if you want to hide it, because people might not even notice that she's not really involved. But yeah, I think she definitely needs to show more. It's not fair that she doesn't, like, no one pressures her to show more of her life and everyone literally puts it all out there. Right. But then like you were saying, like she does such a good job because like she's giving the producers or, you know, the show what they want because she's still being Lala. She's still like, you know, being savage. She's still like saying wild shit. So it's like, okay. And that's, I mean, honestly, you guys, I want to ruin reality TV. It is real everything that you're seeing. But she knows what she's doing too. Like she knows if she sits in a corner doesn't share anything of her life and, you know, doesn't butt in. Then people are going to be like, what the fuck. So that's why she has. to like butt in. Yeah. But what about the fucking crocodile tears, dude? Like she, every single thing they brought up. And first of all, the reunions have been thebomb.com like... I agree.

It's better than the season. Better than the season. The season has been, I mean, at the beginning, what did you think about the two things that are, you know, actually memorable from this season to get your general opinions on? A, the fact that the wedding episodes were a gazillion. what do you think about that? And what do you think about the new people?

Well, it was a lot of wedding. Every day was like, it's my wedding, it's my wedding. And I feel like with all the, with the past season, whoever was getting married, we didn't, it wasn't like shoved down our throats like that. But I like how once it was over, it was over. It just took a long time to get to that point. No, they were really over.

They're like, they didn't show Jackson and Brittany for like two episodes. They were like, we know you, had enough. So like, here's a little break. I remember when those episodes came around and I was like, oh, man, these past episodes have been so good. And a few of my followers were like, it's because Jack's like, weren't on them. And I was like, can that be?

Is that a coincidence? So, yeah, you're right. Once it was over, it wasn't like still, because they got the hint. Like, okay, we showed it. Yeah. And I like the new people, not all of them. Let's hear it. Let's hear it.

Max and Brett. Max and Brett mainly. Because they're just fuck boys and I don't, I can't. Like the whole, like the way they both treated Sheena and then the whole Dana situation. Like I always thought, okay, at least Brett is more likable than Max. But then that dinner, when they were just like, when he was just like, I don't even like her or whatever, I was just like, yeah, no, you're done. You're done so. He's even worse than your typical, because Max is your typical fuck boy.

It's like, yeah. in your face like he knows it we know it whatever bread is like trying to seem like he's not a fuck boy and he's trying to seem more proper and like i don't know but then it's like he was such a dick to sheena when she was on my podcast i was like do you know that he was like an awful like she was like he's my friend and meanwhile he was like the worst friend her and she knows now she's like i am i i get it now yeah because imagine like he was such an asshole to her he made her seem this small like she was like up his ass the entire season and like yes people are right when they say this is sheena like it's not all edited it's not all manipulated even though we

had that editor drama just like a month when was that shit it was like a month ago that was wow that was so much scandal i think you sent it to me and i was like i need to hear it oh you told me I think you told me you're like, go to minute 53, which, like, thank God you told me because I wouldn't have listened to that whole podcast. Yeah. Like, literally. It was so long. It was so long.

And you're like, minute 53 is when she was starts. I was like, thank God. And I was shocked. I was like, am I hearing this? Is the editor really saying this and thinking it's okay? Right. And no, thinking no one's going to ever hear it in life. I mean, when I was thinking about, I was like, if anything, go on like e-news and say this

shit. Like, not on a podcast that's sorry podcast, but like it wasn't really a known one. You know what I mean? Like, let's get some clout with your like, whatever. So, Brett and Max we're not into. What about the girls? Um, I love

all the girls. I think they all added something. If I had to pick a favorite, it'll probably a cross between Dana and Danica. Um, I wish they show more of Danica, but because they didn't, I'm going to have to go with Dana just because we got to see a lot more of Dana.

But I hope that Dana becomes a full-time cast member because now we have room. Do you like, did you like Charlie? Did you hope you saw more of her? I did like Charlie. I liked, because of all the things that came out about why she doesn't eat all these different kinds of food. So tell me, because I got a lot of messages about it,

and I never cared enough, sorry, because it sounded like people are trying to say that she's had a history of, like, abuse, that it relates to food but when I did like a really superficial digging it seemed like there are two separate things like people were trying to make it sound like her history of abuse has to do

food reminds her of that but then I just read she has a history of abuse and separately she has some sort of food thing but tell me because I don't know yeah I think well she said it was when she talked about avocados something she was assaulted when she was younger and then, like, an eating disorder came from it.

I think from the abuse. So then, like, she just started, like, whenever she would, like, just see these different kinds of food, it would just, like, trigger something. Yeah. Yeah. And then she just couldn't eat it. Yeah.

I want to look more into that because I, I mean, she didn't talk really about her abuse, I don't think. And what did you think about her on the reunions? Because I, you know, during the show, she had little gem moments of like, oh, this girl's kind of funny. Like, she's kind of. but then on the reunion when she came for Jackson

and listen I'm the last person I'm fucking defend Jax okay but it just seemed like a bit much like it was a lot it was funny but then it was also a lot like it was like why though and and just because he said it's weird that you don't eat pasta

it was weird it was weird yeah I mean he did come for them on Twitter and Danica told me that he blocked her he blocked Danica for just for existing for coming on the show and he was a hater from day one he like i remember he tweeted like thirsty thirsty thirsty like he was thirsty too when he got on the show like what is he pretending right and they're still thirsty and they're still thirsty like what are you pretending that you were

supposed to be a scholar and like you end like so he's obviously fucking jacks right but at the same time i feel like i didn't see the need at that moment to like come for him full throttle on a zoom reunion where there's like 30 people you know it was just a bit not disrespectful because like fucking disrespect jacks i don't give a shit he's a but a lot of people were happy to see it i got a lot of messages of people saying like yay like finally someone spoke up you know to jacks and like gave him shit but to me it was just like if there was like a little bit of it i would be like dang but because it was so much and it was like old man and it was just like kind of mean things yeah like of course people are going to make fun of you for not for saying you never ate pasta and if it has to do

with a eating disorder or with a pass abuse then then you know our apologies and we don't want to hurt anyone or trigger anyone but at the same time when she spoke about pasta it was very much about weight you know right it was very much like well i don't know like people eat pasta like aren't you know and then like made fun of dana for going to olive garden like she did say did you see there was a her um charlie and danica had a Twitter war kind of a few weeks ago oh right remind me um she someone said that charlie and danica should have more of a spotlight next season and then danica was like well charlie hasn't talked to me and we i agree but charlie didn't talk to me in week so and then charlie said that um she that china told

Sheena told her that Danica was talking all this shit And then Danica jumped at tag Sheena And then Sheena was like, you said this and that And then Danica was like, well, I was just defending Dana Because the last time I really saw you Was when you fat shamed Dana about Olive Garden And stuff like that It was just, I was like, whoa, this is really interesting

Yeah, yeah But Danica is really cool And I think she got the short end of the stick this season And she does too at the end of the day because she knows she had drama. She knows she had her boyfriend fucking works at Sir. They could have filmed mad shit. They really wanted to focus on Dana in these relationships.

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So she went on, I think, a Instagram live or a podcast with, uh, Instagram live. With Flora Bama, like a castmate. Yeah, I've never, I had never seen her, some other TV star or something. Yeah, Flora Bama, which I have a feeling it's like Alabama and Florida. to something. So she went on her podcast and this is after the George Floyd

murder and brought up what it was like being on Vanderpump rules as a black castmate, how she got treated by the cast and even more specifically how she got treated by Stasi and Kristen which was

not filmed. I think actually it was during filming, but obviously it wasn't aired. So can you tell us a little bit about what she, as a VPR expert, what she said happened? Well, she said that no one really cared, like to pay attention to her and she felt like, like if there was like a whole bunch of glam,

no one worried about if they would have makeup for her. And then they were, were accusing her of stealing and then um she and then once the whole and then she said that when she joined the show Lisa asked her if she would be like the nini leaks of bearing a pump rules and she said she's just not like that so it was just like awkward for her and then she's like obviously they just wanted to one token black black girl and then she said what trigger her was all everyone doing this thing about racism and the movement and how she's like she knows deep down like like like most of them don't even care about black people.

Oh, that's how it came up. Because a lot of them posted the black squares and supported the BLM movement. Right. And then she went on to say after she was gone from season six, Stasi and Kristen were like on a witch hunt trying to like take her down and get her arrested and call, you know, the cops, the army, all this stuff. Because she was, she was like, she served in the military before working at Sir. Yeah.

So do you know to tell us the exact, like what went down with the, them calling the cops on her? Well, A, I just want to remind you guys, uh, when Faith was on the season, she had a thing with Jack's, uh, while he was with Brittany, they basically, you know, what comes to my mind when I, when I say Faith's name is like James fucking Kennedy rapping. like when jack fuck faith like that's what got that he's such a fucking asshole he did that when brittie was like they're cheering him on i won't forget i was like james oh james wrap that in the middle of sir in front of everyone poor brittney um but basically jack's you know the cheating asshole uh cheated on brittney surprise surprise but this time uh it came out i'm sure there were other times um and

it was with faith and it was actually a weird story right because she was like treating like an old person or something yeah she was like a caretaker for some older woman and like the woman was like in the in the in the bedroom right next to where they did it and she recorded it who did and then faith recorded it oh faith recorded it yes faith recorded it you don't remember it No, I need a... Now it's coming back to me. Why did she record it? She recorded...

To get back in, probably. Or to get more spotlight. I don't know. Oh, because it was after filming rap? She wasn't even a part of the show at that point. Oh, okay. But she was still around in their group of friends. Like, they had came out, like, on Twitter and stuff.

You can see, like, Faith and Brittany had a friendship when she did this. Like, Brittany was always tagging Faith and stuff. Can't Wake. to see you. Faith was doing the same. Faith was sending her flower. She was like the first person to be at her house. Oh my God. I did not know that. Yes. There's actually, I'll post it on Instagram after this is over because I screenshoted it. A whole bunch of tweets where they like, they were actually friends when she did this. Oh my God. So and like actually you just going just her, Jax and Brittany just going out. I mean that's not new for Vanderpump rules for friends to

cheat with other friends. But right. She filmed it and then showed it to someone. She recorded it and then shared it with James and then James sent it to his phone then sent it to Lala and that's when it blew up at the housewarming party when Jax was saying

all the things about Brittany about he's not attracted to her he doesn't he's never going to have kids all that stuff oh that was so I can't believe she fucking married him I till this day feel bad for for Brittany but okay so

faith did that you know that obviously brittney forgave jacks and and that fizzled out and then uh so now the so after the the the story that faith uh shared uh first on that instagram live that we're talking about was after this happened yeah so it was like okay so after this happened okay so continue the story after this happened um there like i guess things that come to light I remember when Sassah Tuggleton the podcast, they're like things that come in light, like she was stealing.

I think there was some, someone said that Lala, um, like would plant things because she, she was, she thought that she was stealing and she would plant things where faith would see and then like it would disappear or things like that. And then,

um, they were, the woman that they thought was faith had on Logan's jacket. And so they thought that. Okay. Well, you need to explain that part. The part that she's saying,

the one, Yes. Daria. Not everyone is a Sir Rules, you know, Instagram page. Okay. So at that time, which obviously this wasn't like a huge story

because it was on the Daily Mail and like we didn't see it until its connection to VPR now. But there was some woman of color. You couldn't see her face in the picture even. And it was like they were looking for like a wanted woman who maybe like drugged guys and then stole their cars or something like that. and the only thing they saw was that there was a jacket that looked like someone that they knew and so Kristen screenshot the article and like and then just like put it out there like doesn't

she look familiar this is yeah which okay let's start from the basic like police work objective it looks nothing like faith mm-hmm i agree right yeah like that's that's like a starting point Like, if you go to the picture, I'm sure you can search it on Google and the Daily Mail, whatever, it'll come up. I don't know how they thought that it could be faith. And seeing Kristen's tweets now and hearing, we'll talk about this, Stasi discuss, you know, this incident on her podcast. It sounds like the girls were convinced that it was faith. Yeah, they were like hell bent on proving that it was faith. Like they wanted to take her down.

Do you think they were hell-bent on proving it was faith? Or do you think they actually thought it was faith in the picture? Oh, no. I think they actually thought it was faith. Can you see why they would think that's her? Like, to me, no. Like, it doesn't look like her. Yeah, no, because all I see, all you can, like, really get is, like, she was obviously

of color. Yeah. And then, like, her eyelashes, like, I don't think. And isn't she, like, a little, she seems lighter-skinned in the picture than Faith is? Yeah. The hair seems different. I mean, the jacket. I think it was Logan's jacket, right?

Yeah. Uh-huh. So, I mean, that's crazy to begin with because, you know, it doesn't look like her. So obviously calling the police on anyone, you should have substantial, you know, evidence or at least whatever they call it in, in that kind of work. Like, I think it's to the naked eye, it doesn't look anything like faith. Yeah. So that's fucked up.

Nothing happened with that, though, right? Like, did the police come? Like, what happened after that? Um, they said that the police were like, whatever. And then, like, they were like, and we're not following the story. That's not her. And then, like, that was it. But why did they, did they think, did they have any, did they speak about any times that

they know that faith actually stole anything? Like, why? Or you said, Lala planted shit? Like, I'm having trouble, like, understanding, like, what faith did to them, aside from screwing their best friend's husband that made them, like, be, want to incriminate her. Yeah, I heard the stealing rumors, like, a few, I own a podcast a few seasons ago,

but besides that, there was nothing else, but she had sex with Jax and they wanted revenge. Yeah, so she never stole anything that they're like, oh, like it was just very, very... mean girl and now people are saying you know racist behavior the the funny thing is i mean nothing is really funny about this this happened in 2018 dassy spoke about it on the bitch bible podcast in 2018 and told the whole story i'm sure you guys can find it as well christin's tweets were live in 2018 it wasn't shown on the show uh but

those things did happen. Oh, you know what was shown on the show? Wasn't something shown on the show where Stasi wasn't supporting BLM or there was something with Billy Lee. Do you remember? Oh, when, yeah, when Billy Lee was going to do Stasi's podcast, Ariana gave her a warning,

like she's not woke, basically. Like she doesn't understand social issues. And, like, she went on this whole tangent about the Me Too, Me Too movement, how she doesn't understand it. Because she's like, no one could ever force me to, like, go down on someone unless, like, I have a gun to, you have a gun to my head, like, things like that. She said, so you listen to her podcast. When you heard those things, because she said, she said that stuff about the Me Too movement. She said remarks about people of color, black people, particularly complaining all the time. and not understanding how people of other races,

she's like, they don't complain or like something. So you would listen to her podcast. You probably heard that then. You could have outed her then. No, I'm just going to. I think, well, once it came out, it was a big deal because she had lost all her sponsors. No, but babe, what I'm trying to say is it aired in 2018,

meaning her podcast company heard it. The network heard it. heard it. And they did nothing. Bravo, probably, and listeners heard it. And I don't remember, aside from that scene on Vanderpump, was there backlash about it? Like, were people talking about this podcast episode where she said shit? Not once it, once it came again to light on the show, no one really complained about it.

It was more honestly, people were attacking Ariana just saying she's just being mean because she doesn't like saucy. Like, that was it. That's all I can remember. when you heard the podcast, were you like, oh, my God, should I even like this person? Or were you like, oh, this is Tassie and like she's dumb or whatever? I was like, it's very ignorant. Like, I didn't think, I didn't think that she was like racist or anything. It's just someone that is a privilege and doesn't understand shit and like doesn't

even, hasn't even taken the time to learn about things. Right. So everything just comes off like, I don't even think I finished listening to one of those. I was like, I don't like this. And then it all came out when it was like people were actually talking about it and she lost like all her sponsors and all that stuff. So now that it came out and, you know, it came out while all of this is going on, you know, after George Floyd and Brianna Taylor's deaths.

And we made, we made so much progress on so many of these issues. And I really do applaud everyone that's, I hate the word platform, but using their platform, because as much as it's like, I can say I hate the word platform, social media has been such a huge vehicle in this. Obviously the people protesting too and the people donating. But I mean, listen, there have been some changes that have already been made. regarding like police reform and things like that. But since this is a pop culture podcast,

let's talk about the pop culture things that happened because of it. So first of all, there was obviously radio silence from Bravo, from the girls, from basically the whole cast, until they both came out at the same time with the very similar apologies. Yes. What did you think of their apologies? Do you want to give us like a, like, summary of like what the apologies were?

Yeah, they were both basically like, I was blinded by my privilege and didn't realize how serious it could be. I don't expect forgiveness, but I'm sorry, but I am sorry. Yeah. That was basically. Yeah. And it wasn't about race. Oh, they said it wasn't about race? Yes.

Kristen said, although my actions were not racially driven, I am now completely aware of my privilege, blinded, that my privilege blinded me from the reality of law enforcement. And Stasi's racially insensitive comments from my past every surface is important that I continue to take accountability for what I've said and done while pushing myself to do better. I've grown significantly. I'm filled with remorse. She's glad people are pushing her to evolve into more educated person. She also wants to address faith.

Her emotions over what happened between our friends outweighed her logic. meaning she's saying, you know, because she's good friends with Brittany. There was no excuse for that. I did not recognize that my serious ramifications go to transpire because of my actions. What I did was wrong. I apologize. I did not expect forgiveness and that she wants to continue to learn and take accountability. So what did you think of these apologies?

I think when they came out with the apologies, I thought instantly about Hannah Brown's apology when she said, the N-word and how it just when now when she first disappeared after it all I was like oh I don't like this don't kind of come back like nothing happened trying to ignore that you said what you said and I was hoping that they wouldn't do that they would come back with like more of a genuine heartfelt apology and I felt like because they did it I don't want to I feel like it was all just handled so poorly yeah with Hannah because I also was thinking about that a lot and you know you know, my feelings on, on each cases individually. With Hannah saying the N-word while she was doing an Instagram live and singing it,

and then there were two apologies. There was the one immediately, which was like smirking and like, not, didn't. Yeah. Oh, which was like, oh my God, girl, like, stop, stop. Like, cringe is like the best word. I mean, it's insensitive. It's so many things. But I feel like more than anything, if you had watched that,

live and and it was just like and then her friend was like you didn't say it it was just like so weird yeah you know it's it was it was bad and then she went silent i mean they were silent for like a couple days i feel like Hannah was silent for like a week yeah i'm like she's better not run from this i'm like i actually really enjoyed her on this on season i liked her she better not run from this so when she came back with her apology was it a written apology or was it like a video it was a video it was a video like a 20 minute video right did you listen to it yeah how she took that time to um educate herself and grow and even if you are a fan of her don't defend her what she did was unacceptable and i will continue to learn and be an advocate and grow from this experience

and i just wish they would have done the same thing so that like felt genuine to you and you like took her apology yeah i think i think she meant it and i I think she's been showing that she's been trying. Like, she's not like forcing down your throat all of a sudden. She's just, she's this activist. Yeah. But, yeah, I felt like it was more genuine. I mean, the thing that people need to understand a little bit about these apologies,

and I'm sure with Hannah too, but also with the girls is like, people are like, oh, it sounds like so PR. Like, yeah, it has to be. Like, they don't have a choice. Like, you guys know me, like, I'm a little bit on the ends in the Vanderpump world. Like, they had wanted to. respond even before. Uh-huh.

But with, you know, being attached to a network and a show, you can't just say whatever the fuck you're not me. Like, don't go on Instagram, you know, you have to follow, like, protocol. And when that happened, I'm sure Bravo was like, shut the fuck up. Right. Not a word, not a word. And we're going to, you know, so I'm sure their publicist had a part in the apology. Bravo how to probably approve it through legal, through this.

So it's not going to be, you know, Stasi crying to the camera, which like maybe she could have insisted. Maybe she could have said, you know, I mean, we were just talking about this while we were not recording. It's like, it's so funny. We keep saying Stasi, we're like Kristen is a part of this too. Yeah. Like for good and for bad, we're like not talking about Kristen,

but she's as much part of this, especially because she tweeted, what we were talking about before, but for some reason she's not getting as much of the heat at least in terms of like the, you know, the chatter about it. But I think that's also because there was the faith incident and then there was what Stasi said on her podcast. So how are you feeling about, obviously, most people know, Bravo dropped them.

They also dropped bread and max, I mean, fired them. Bread and Max, during the season it came out that they had both tweeted, which is so, how, like, amazing of a casting job did they do? Like, not one but two of the new male castmates both had tweeted racial slurs, was it? Yeah, racial slurs. They're using the N-word and stuff like that. Oh, really? In tweets, yeah.

So, and do you remember what Lisa said about that in the reunion? Yeah, she was like, it wasn't up to Sandoval. Sandoval only has 5% of Tom Tom, which means he can't fire anyone. She felt like they were not at all races or that they had grown from that. Like, she didn't get that vibe from them. So she decided to keep them on.

And she also said that if she fired every single person who fucked up on the show. No one will be on the show. And it's such a like foreshadowing as, because this was before the Stasi and Kristen thing came on. Yeah. And that's another thing. Like they didn't fire bread and Max. You know what I mean? And now they looped kind of bread and Max into the, to the Kristen and Stasi drama and fired all them. So I do want to get your take on that if you're willing. Like, were you, I know also your page, like, it seems like

it's very divided, like how people feel. Yeah. The internet is very divided. Very. I think, I think, well, when it first broke, when it came back out, I should say, I had already knew about it. So I was like, well, what is it going to, like, what is it going to be? So I was just waiting until, like, someone, either an apology came out or Bravo said something, just waiting to get, like, all of it. And then it came out that they were fired. So then that's when I had to release it. And I think, honestly, I think what they did was wrong. It's inexcusable what they did.

but I think Bravo had no intent would not even if the story had came out they wouldn't have fired them the only reason why they fired them I think was to jump on the bandwagon of what MTV did because MTV had fired a cast member

literally the day before can you tell me about that because I don't watch the MTV I don't watch it either but I remember the article I think she's on the challenge and she had said some racial remarks or something and then they just like

candor and they like just kept doing it So I think Bravo just jumped in that bandwagon because no one is going to ever be able to convince us that no one knew what Stasi and Kristen did. That's the issue. You swept it under the rug. Yeah, like, you know what they did. But a lot of people, you know,

the argument to that is, okay, let's say they knew, but now they're taking accountability and Kristen and Stasi and the guys are paying for what they did. So people don't care that it wasn't. addressed then they're just happy that it was addressed so what would you like say to that yeah you know what I mean because on one hand you can what you're saying is a total valid point and the other point is like okay but people are still happy that that Bravo is doing that because they could have not done that you know what I mean they could have just ignored it completely again and then just

brushed down the rug um I guess yeah I guess I can see that point too that they're just now realizing like they need to take these people accountable and all this stuff. I don't know. Why, you're a saucy fan, so it's hard for you. Yeah. And I love Kristen so much. Really?

Okay. Yeah. I told you guys, she loves everyone. She literally loves everyone. Don't take it as a compliment if she loves you. Kristen, whoever. Oh, God. So, yeah, when I saw, I remember exactly where I was.

I was just out and about, just, put my business and then it just came to my phone and I was like what like I never expected that and a lot of people were saying bravo should have used this as a tool to teach right people yeah you saw brittany's best friend Zach wickham he came out with a statement about it so what did he say he was saying how billy and jacks were actually friends and the problem is it was like the whole statement oh because billy came out billy came out and like Lily's like on a war hunt. She blocked me on Instagram.

Why? Why? What did you do to her? She blocked me when all this stuff came out about the last season about the girl's night and how she claimed that she wasn't invited. But I had, but there was a tweet that proved she knew before that. Oh, so she blocked you? So, yeah.

So I tweet, I went through all that. So then she blocked me. But people always send me screenshots and stuff. And she's like on a witch hunt. she's like posting every day something about jacks like fire jacks i'm not stopping until you fire jack wait is she happy about the girls and oh yeah no she was very she was very happy she was so she just wants them to also um i mean i'm seeing a lot of cancel jacks like okay now cancel jacks so that's the question you know for us to think about is like where does bravo draw the line you know what i mean

Is it now, you know, canceled Jacks for being so many fucking things? I mean, we thought he was homophobic. We thought he's an awful person. I mean, I don't think even you loves everyone could probably agree with that. Yeah, no, I can't defend Jacks. But then he was on TV because he makes good TV. You know what I mean? So that's like a question, you know, moving forward for networks to think about and brands and

everyone, you know, where is the line with that? Like, it's such a huge, you know, thing because it's like now people want to get. What do you think about like the canceling people thing? Like, how do you feel when people are like, cancel this person, cancel that person? When it first came out, I thought it was funny because I'm like, there's no way that someone's ever going to actually be canceled. But like, it's so aggressive. You're like, but then they are. Yeah. And they are canceled. It's like, well, you don't even see them anymore. It's like, okay. Like, it's not. It's not. funny. Like, it's just like, it's aggressive and it's scary. So do you agree with seeing, you were saying, sorry, you were saying Zach Windham? Um, Wickham. Oh, okay. He came,

who was in Britney's wedding and, um, he came out. He's like her best friend from home, I think, right? Yeah. He came out and said that Billy and Jacks were actually friends when they were filming. And she was friends with the entire group and no one had an issue with her. And then they felt like she wasn't given enough um of herself like she wasn't given enough drama or anything like the things you need to be a reality star she was boring and so then that's when she came out with the whole well they're all homophobic and transphobic or whatever the hell she said and then they were also going into how faith and brittany were also friends and that's that's a crazy part that i didn't know and it's all it was all driven on the fact that they were just they like mad at her

Yeah, she hurt Britney. They wanted to hurt her. So, yeah, there's a lot of mixed feelings about that, too. What did he, what kind of feedback did he get, do you know? Did you? Yeah, because I posted, I reposted it. And so a lot of people like, this is what, like, it was not racially motivated. Like, it's clear that it wasn't, and people are making it so because of the movement.

And then a lot of people were like, of course you're going to defend them. You're their friends. Yeah. So, like, or like, this is just. I see there's so many valid points here because, you know, saying that Bravo could have taken the time now to educate, I don't know, it even popped in my head like maybe they should have done, you know, some sort of educational program where they had them come or even faith come on and them have a discussion about it. And Brittany, they could even have even made it like sizzling and like dramatic and like juicy because there is some drama. here. There is a backstory. She had sex with Jacks. Like, she's not, um, obviously a random person that we don't know about. So, you know, there's so many ways to look at this and so many different opinions, you know, that you see on social media, people that are happy about it, you know, like we talked

about not caring that when it happened, just caring that these people got punished. Uh, and there are people that, you know, don't think it's racially motivated. There are people that, uh, do think it, it was probably like you were talking about before like from their privilege without them even realizing it and thus it needs to be taken care of in a more maybe educational way um because i'll tell you guys what it sounds so kitsy and so cheesy to be like educate yourself like learn about it talk to your family and friends like i get it but it's actually not you can always learn and you can always grow um so as much as it sounds like that to say it like it is real like it is a real thing that people can understand things they haven't understood before and I think this movement at this time is doing

such a great job at doing that and people are being even honest across social media like being like I didn't think about that before right so I mean again there are going to be a lot of different opinions on what Bravo did but how do you think where is van derbym going to go from here people are like, well, remember when I put out that poll that people said, a lot of people were saying that no Stasi, no show, like they're not watching the show. Oh, was that the over? You asked the poll, you said, who agrees with it? Yeah, who agreed with it. And maybe I got 15,000 votes. 8,000 of those votes said, no, Stasi, no show.

No, no, maybe 13, 13,000 votes. Yeah, it was like 3,000 that said, It was more people, right, more people that said they wouldn't watch. Yeah, they wouldn't watch without Stasi. Was that surprising to you? Because I feel like the overwhelming response in the media is like people are like happy that she's gone because of this. And then you see really conflicting things because you see your poll that people are like, wait, I'm not going to watch. Yeah. I just posted on my story the other day that I noticed that her Instagram followers didn't go down.

no they did though they did it was at 2.1 already and then it went down and then it went right back up I was like okay so I mean there is there is some speculation that she bought followers even though some people are DMing me that it's not confirmed all I know she was a 2.1 you're right she went down to 2 meaning that's like losing somewhere around 100,000 and now she's back at 2.1 so what I'm saying is like you would think she would go down like you know what i mean if all these people that were that i'm seeing on the you know what i mean like she didn't yeah so she's back at where she was meaning she didn't lose followers um another thing that changed in her profile was that she put a media contact a different one and we know that her uh publicist dropped her as well which is aren't PR people supposed to like be there for you in moments like they were like oh i'm done you know crazy They're supposed to be there to protect you. Everyone didn't want anything to do with her after this.

And I feel like the only thing that I, you know, I'm so, like, confused about is only because this happened two years ago. If this happened now and all these companies and brands and networks and representatives were like, we don't want to work with someone like that. I'd be like, okay, makes total sense, you know? Because it happened two years ago and all these people, know her and know what she said and know whatever, then it kind of feels like you're just trying to save face and like look like woke, you know? Right. I hate that word, but it's so necessary

to use now. You know what I mean? But so she hired a new PR firm that I think specializes in crisis management. Her and Kristen hired the same person. Like we said, keep on forgetting Kristen, but she's in this too, you guys. We were talking about it when we were on break. Like, Stasi had a lot to lose, you know, and Kristen. And she lost it all. She lost it all. She lost her podcast a fucking second later.

I tried to search it on Apple on iTunes. Couldn't find it. The day later, Radio.com, who produces her podcast, said they will no longer be working with her. And, wow. I think she lost her book deal for book number two. She did? I think she did. Um, yeah, and then the show, obviously, so many, uh, partnerships.

And she had a, uh, bridal, um, article for, yeah, column. That's probably made like a dollar off of that's not a big deal. It was like in the bridal column she hasn't written in since like, you know, December, 2000. I'm like, no one cares about that. She doesn't care about the fucking bridal column. And Kristen has the show, which obviously is her livelihood. Um, I, do you think they can call? come back from this like first of all let's start with this could they ever come back to bravo i don't

i don't think they ever should where else would you see stasi like uh bravo is owned by nbc and they own e she's never coming back to to that network you know i don't even know that that oh i don't know girl yeah it's uh maybe not tv then well she still still has her family And obviously, like I said, what's shocking about this is that she didn't lose followers. But then again, I remember, do you remember the drama with the influencer from New York during Corona

when Corona was really, with Ariel Charnas? Yes. For some reason, I call her in my head, Ariel, Karanjas, I don't know why. So she got so much shit for coronavirus and she got tested and her privilege and then she went to the Hamptons and spread it all along Long Island.

Yes. And I remember the, you know, the followers and people were talking about it like she didn't lose followers you know it's the same way whenever there's a bachelor season and you watch a bachelor too is like you know how those people get so many followers like overnight like a gazillion like more than vanderpump rules people get in like nine seasons right they're like a million overnight and and our vanderpum people are like only getting to a million now which has always been of interest to me like how much bigger like those networks are than bravo but um it's because people are waiting you know it doesn't

mean that everyone's a giant fan and agrees with her right that follows her there are people that want to know when she posts something you know what i mean there are people that want to be in the know um so but where do you think the show is going to go from here if you had to guess if you had to or even like what you would want to see uh-huh the show did survive with alstasi before That is a very good point And that was surprising Because she was The first two seasons

She was queen She was queen Unanimous Like cross the board I remember I was obsessed With her analogies You know Cutting people up

And yeah Getting their penises throwing them in the water Whatever And I remember being like Okay Sassie's got no show And then you're like Oh no

There's a very good point Okay Yeah so I think I think the show could work They just have to do it's right and it has to be they have to get the right people that are going to fill that position they have to give more people a shot they have to if they don't do the diversity thing then people aren't going to want to watch because it's like this is what the movement is about

how did you feel though because you were obsessed with the show from the beginning so did you ever think about like wait everyone's fucking white on this cast like why no I never cared even as a black person I've never like I never like turned to something and be like oh I I can't watch it because there's no one that looks like me. I never, they never bother me. I understood that it bother the other people, but it never bothered me. I'd watch a cast of all white people. I watch a cast all black, Asian, whatever.

It never bothered me, personally. Yeah, but you would want to see more, like, diversity in the cast. Yeah, and I just want people that are going to just bring more. It's more about personality-wise. Yeah, it's more about personality because I was going to say when you were talking about Billy Lee, because I remember the Girls' Night thing. And I had Katie on my podcast at the time. And Katie is like the least transphobic person ever.

Like and also as you guys probably say, if you follow her, she's very like vocal about BLM now. And she's, she's been really like sharing resources. And I know like for a fact how much she's, you know, genuinely cares about this.

And, and I also know that, you know, fucking pride. has been on every season of Vanderpump rules and everyone supported it and everyone marched in it. You know, it was such a big part

of Lisa Vanderpump's thing, you know what I mean? And where her restaurants are located as like Boys Town or whatever. So it didn't stick for me. Like I was like, no, pretty sure they just, like, how do you want them to like you? Because I remember Katie, when she came up by the guest,

if you remember this scene where Billy was like working some brunch and Katie came for brunch and Billy's like, what are you even doing here? And Katie's like, um, I came to brunch. Like, may I? And then it was like that episode that she was like, you didn't invite me. And Katie's like, you just that day saw me at the restaurant and we're like, why are you here? And then you want to be invited to my home with like my friends. So, so I agree with you. It should be also about, you know, bringing interesting people. Um, And, and listen, there can be interesting people that aren't ignorant that don't spew racial slurs.

But we need to find interesting people, is it the end of the day. And a lot of interesting people are savage and say savage shit. And, you know, a lot of people, I don't watch, I don't know if she's on Beverly Hills O.C., but I was told they're trying to cancel another person, Kelly Dodd. Oh, I don't know where she's from, but I've heard that. because she said, you know, insensitive things about, I think, Muslims. And these bitches are crazy. You know what I mean?

Like, they're crazy all the time. They say stupid as shit. So, again, it's like they need to figure out and figure out a way how to have people who are super interesting and bring the drama, but, like, have lines that they don't cross and keep it interesting and keep it inclusive. and I mean there's a lot of work to be done for you know networks and brands but it seems like they're all taking a stance now whether they're doing it because they were backed up into a corner or whether they're doing it because they believe in it to some people that doesn't matter

it's the the essential thing to people is that they're doing it yeah I wish it would have been more of a natural thing that happened and not you know everyone kind of hurrying to save face, but you're very right about what you said. I didn't think about that. You know, people that are very upset about Sossi leaving, remember that. Season three.

We may do. It wasn't a bad season. Right. But I think part of the reason it wasn't a bad season was because Kristen was like her craziest story in that time. Oh, really?

Now we lost both of them. Oh, we need some crazy. I mean, listen. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. If they, a lot of people are speculating that the show, you know, this last season hasn't been so good

and that maybe they're going to use this as like canceling the show. What do you think about that? Yeah, I saw that too. I could see that happening. I mean, I can see them canceling the show and then, I mean, they could always make it about something else. I was actually talking about this the other day.

Like, they could do something where it's more focused on Tom Tom, now. So then that includes, so then it's organically includes Tom's, Arianna, Katie. It makes sense that they would but be there at their spouse and stuff. And then...

Oh, and Dana works there. Dana works there. Dana could easily pick up a shift if they wanted to keep her. It's such a... It can be a easy transition. True. I mean, listen, at the end of the day,

Vanner Pump was my baby, is my OGBB. Like, I... I really love it. Like, watching the reunions, I want to cry, thinking this might be the end of it. Like, I really do.

It has a place in my heart. I've, you know, met the cast. I think most of them are great people. I think they've had amazing seasons that haven't been on reality TV anywhere. Yeah. Like the shit that went down there.

I do think that this season was weaker. But yeah, I really wonder what's going to happen. Like really, because they're supposed to start filming. They usually start filming in like May. Yeah. They usually start filming around like sometimes Doran Sheena's birthday and then sometimes like right after. When Sheena's birthday, you're saying it's like it's common knowledge.

Oh, sorry. They should start filming around like May. Either they filmed before Shana's birthday, because her birthday has been included in some seasons when they film a couple weeks after. Right. So I think it was for sure delayed to like maybe July. So I wonder what's going to happen.

That's a really good point, Tom, because like also none of them fucking work at Sir. That's what I was going to say. Like it's not like... It's not organic. It's not organic anymore anyway. No one's working at Sir. the new people are obviously, you know, actually, the new people actually, you know, work.

So you guys don't get a twisted. The way the OGs actually were waiting tables there until they made some money and it became less. So the new people actually work there. Yes. Whether they started working there because they thought they might have a chance on the show, which I'm sure has something to do with it. Except when you ask them, they're like, no. Nothing.

I knew about the show. and I'm hot and everything, but, and I auditioned, but I didn't think about it. Yeah. It's like any reality started going to reality TV and you're like, did you watch the show before we went on? No, I don't watch TV. Okay.

It was like Brittany. I didn't know Lisa. I only knew Lisa Vanapump because of Beverly Hills, but you didn't, you didn't know that she had a spinoff show. I don't know. Sometimes she pisses me off because I'm like, I sometimes feel like the only way she's staying with Jacks is like, because of the show or it just seems so crazy to me

that a person would stick around with him that I started like conspiracy theorizing and being like, is it because, you know, he's made some money? Is it because he, you know, brought her on the show and she was scared at that point when he cheated on her that if she left him, she wouldn't be on the show. Like, I was thinking all sorts of thoughts.

Yeah, she did say that when that happened, when it all came out, she did say that the producer was like, if you break up with Jack's like you're good like you're not going to lose your spot oh really yeah so i know that was true but she did say that all right well i can't wait to see what happens i know i'll get all the info from you so keep on providing it so everyone go follows aria at underscore Sir rules. Is there another underscore?

No. One underscore Sir rules. She gives all the VPR T. Hate that word too. But pipe and hot, you guys.

Piping hot. She talks about the episodes and behind the scenes and she posts tweets and really like all the good stuff. And thank you for your support. You've always been so sweet to me.

Your account is hilarious. I'm so happy that Katie did your podcast once because then I probably I would have never even discovered it. Oh, really? That's how. Yeah, that's how I discovered it. Oh, fun. See, we're connected via Vanderpump forever more. Whatever happens. We're connected via Vanderpump.

Yeah. Thank you so much, Zarya. I'm sure we're going to keep talking about all this as it unfolds. Yeah. Okay, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Bye, girl. Bye. Thank you guys for listening.

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