Not Skinny But Not Fat - Venita Aspen Will Not Be Pushed Out

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

Southern Charm’s Venita Aspen joins me to debrief all the drama from this season. From her friendship with Salley, to her fight with Craig, and the toll of navigating it all in the public eye.We get into her friendship with Summer House’s Ciara Miller, Ciara defending her online, and where things really stand with Craig Conover after Venita publicly supported Paige DeSorbo. Plus, who’s the bravoleb she went on a date with?This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Ebay.com – things people love.Keep it classic and cozy this fall cool—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Go to shopminnow.com and enter code MEETMINNOW15 at checkout to receive 15% off your first order.Learn more at weightwatchers.comSpread some holiday cheer (and serious savings) at fromrebel.comHead to Columbia.com to get your hands on an Amaze Puff jacket - they're tough on cold, soft on you.Go to vivrelle.com and apple for a membership today using code notskinny for your first month of membership FREE - the code will also allow you to skip the Vivrelle waitlist.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, my lovelies. Tuesday. It is almost the end of 2025. It is the time of year where everyone says, see you next year. If that isn't lame enough, I answer everyone like, oh, it's that time of year where we say that thing that's lame.

And then it's just like a whole lame combo that I've done three times only today and it's 11.23 a.m. Anyway, welcome to a new episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. I am your host, Amanda Hirsch. Tis the season. Tis, Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tis Tavitin is a dad. I'm very into his relationship with Elsie. I find her very intriguing. I love her accent. I think she's interesting and down-earth and chill, but she also was kind of like playboy

vibes before and like dated some people in the industry. So she's not like, you know, she didn't plop out of nowhere, but I am, I am into her. I am into her in this relationship. I feel like he's himself. I feel like he's not being this, like, Pete Davidson that's, like, seen, wants to be seen, pretends to hide from the paparazzi, but it's like, you know, like, I feel like he's his true, like, Stan Island, mom's basement self and the fact that they named their daughter after his dad that died in 9-11. Scotty, I'm obsessed.

I think that's so sweet. That's so heartfelt. And he's going to be the best girl dad because us girls. I can't imagine what it's like to have a dad that's like Pete Davidson. Could you imagine, like, you just look up. him and you're like, that's my daddy. That sounds like sexual, but I don't mean in like a sexual way. I mean in like, what is that like a dad that's like David Beckham?

Like, I don't know, you know? Or Pete Davidson. Like, it's, oh, you get daddy issues and then you can't date any boys. Is that what happens? Or are you normal? I don't know. But just imagine having Pete Davidson as your fucking dad in her name being Scotty. Like, she's already the coolest person on earth.

Anyway, very excited, very excited for him. And it was so funny because the day that he announced this. And she announced this. And she's just so funny, I feel like. Like, her announcement was like, Our Perfect Angel, Girl Arrived, 1212, Scotty, Rose Hewitt, Davidson. My best work yet, I'm absolutely overflowing with love

and gratitude and disbelief. Elsie. Wu Ting forever. Pete. Like, I love the Pete quote. Like, I love the Pete quotes. I just, I love it all. And I hope they live happily ever after.

It was funny that yesterday, I love looking at my memories on Instagram and the memory that popped up for me was literally Pete and Kim at that Staten Island movie theater when they were trying to go like incognito, but like everyone knew they were there. And then they had that like rooftop dinner. He like gave her the Staten Island door. So like four years ago. And I know I do this thing with time and I'm repetitive about it and annoying. But is that not crazy, babes? Is it not crazy? Haley Bieber, I love when she throws a little bit of shade. She just posted that Justin Bieber

surpassed 9.5 billion streams on Spotify, blah, blah, blah, biggest streaming year ever on Spotify for him. But then she wrote, and all without his bleep, bleep. So, of course, we went to the internet. We're trying to figure out what that means. And that means old team as in Scooter Braun and that whole team. So she hates them. And I wonder, I wonder what happened that she really hates them

and really wants to throw shade. And, yeah, I really do wonder. It is Actors on Actors' Season Varieties Show, and I have to tell you guys something. I don't know if it's the new me. I, every year, I think maybe last year, I was kind of like, oh, I'm over it already. And this year, I feel like it's the first year that I fully watched, too. I watched the Ariana Grande one with Adam Sandler and the Jennifer Lawrence and Leo one. And it's just like, why are we so obsessed with watching celebrities talk to celebrities?

Which that actually sometimes annoys me just because, like, of what I do, right? Like, I want to talk to the celebrities. So I just feel like it's so much, it's like easier for people to digest, like, two celebrities talking to each other, you know? And I just wonder, like, why that is and, like, what the obsession is. Like, because from an honest standpoint, like, yes, J-Law was very entertaining. But, like, Leo wasn't giving. He wasn't going with her flow.

She talked about drugs, like, three times. She was, like, knew herself. And he was like, hey, so I watched your movie this morning. But everyone's like, this was the best thing. you've got to give it us because it's just like give us two celebs and not one talking to like a journalist and we're dying over it. So I guess I still am the old Amanda. Like I love it, but I'm also like, what's our obsession? What is our obsession? Anyway, speaking of one of my obsessions, I know I should win a transition award, Southern Charm. I've always loved Southern

Charm. I've been a Southern Charm, O'G. I'm obsessed with it. I think the show is so good. But this season is already just full of drama. And today I have on Vanita Aspen. She's in the thick of it this season. She has some drama with Craig. She has some drama with Sally. And I still have questions from last season about like the JT of it all. You know what I mean?

I also met her at the Threads event that I won't shut up about and found out that her and Sierra is such good friend. She actually like sleeps at her house the whole time when she's here. They're so sweet together. Sierra styled her for our pod together, and she stayed for our pod. She was supposed to leave the day after the Threads event. And when I was like, no, you have to come on. She was like, okay, Sierra, can I stay?

And Sarah's like a fucking course. So I love that. I love that for them. I love that for us. So here's Vanita. Hi, my love. Hi. How are you?

So happy you're here. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming. Thank you for staying. I was going to say, yeah, I stayed for you. Like, literally. You were like, yeah, get on. on the pot. I was like, okay, I'll stay. No, I harassed you. No, you did it. Okay, no, I did. But I

Sam I did. I was a little drunk, like two glasses of champagne. I'm flying. Oh, no. I mean, I woke up the next day and I was like, what was I doing? What were you doing? Well, I kind of know what you were doing. You were out till 3.30 a.m. I heard. You stayed out till 3.m. That was one of two days that Sierra and I and the gang stayed out until 3 a.m. What are you, Kyle? You were with Kyle. I was with Kyle. I was going to say, I was with Kyle. I was with Kyle. stayed out. We went to the box one night. We just had a ball. What did you see like a penis? Oh my god. I had never been to the box before and like we like walk in and I was like oh guys this is just

like a little table whatever. Front row boom penis out. Fagina. Titties everywhere. I was like where am I? Right away. Right away. Yeah. When I when I saw I think like a penis but what was crazier was like they tied like something around the penis, like maybe like a candle. And then he had to sit on a bottle and like get the candle. This guy was like, this was a Titanic scene. And he had his penis in his hand and he had white paint. And he put the white paint on his penis as it was painting a picture. No, the box is crazy. It's insane. That's my first time. But I do think I am going to go back because I had a lot of fun. What time does it start? Is it, it's late? I don't think I'm like, could I get a

7 p.m. ticket? I'd like to be in bed by 10, please. I don't think we walk. walked in there to like 1.30, 2 o'clock. That's great. But you can handle it. Like, A, you're young. Yeah, I can hang. You can hang late. Yeah.

And look awake. I feel like you're one of those people. Like, you're a morning person too. Mm-hmm. Okay. I made breakfast for us. I saw. Yeah.

For Sierra. Yeah. Because you stayed at her house. Yeah. So every time I come to New York, for the most part, I stay with Sierra. Do you sleep in bed together? Sometimes.

But I'm a couch sleeper. I love to sleep on the couch. Yeah. Can you just come in the bed? And I'm like... She likes to have a... a bed partner. She does, she does.

And I love to sleep on the couch, so she doesn't push too often. But every once in a while, she's like, can you come in the bed? I'm like, okay. That's so sweet. How did you become friends? I sent Sierra a DM on Instagram

in 2021, welcoming her to like the Bravo space. And like, that was it. And she answered right away. Yeah. Like right away, answered right away. We started hanging out probably the next year, which was fun.

Yeah. I came out to the summer house once or twice. And yeah, now we're just kind of conjoined at the hip. But how are you doing it long distance, like Craig and Paige style? I mean, I see her and talk to her almost every day. Really? Yeah. You're a good FaceTimeer.

I love to FaceTime. Like being in front of people or like FaceTiming on the phone. No, and like the app. Not me being old. No, I do love to FaceTime. She also enjoys FaceTiming, too, which is cute. I think that's so cute because when she came to your defense recently this season online, I felt like people didn't know

that you were friends. Yeah, which is so wild to me because I feel like we post each other all the time and like, I mean, we've been hanging out consistently for almost five years. That's my girl. No, I'm obsessed with that. But I do feel like people

really love that she came to your defense in that way online. But I don't think people understood like the depth of your friendship. That it was like she's not only doing what she feels is right, but she's also like my true friend. She's protecting her friends. How did that feel for you that you did that?

It felt good. So, like, when the show's airing, I'm not on social media at all. I don't have it on my phone. Really? Yeah, I don't have any apps on my phone. I have a team that posts for me, so I just can't read or see anything that's negative. So, like... Why?

I mean, I assume why, but tell me, like, what led to this decision? People are awful to me online, like, truly awful. And I think last year it actually started to get to me. So I had to, like, vow that I would not go on social media whatsoever and look and, like, read the comments and dig through the Reddit threads, it can really just, like, tear you up. Like, even thinking about the possibilities of things that people are saying about me this season,

that eats you up alone and I haven't even looked. So it gets worse than just, oh, whether you agree with you being mad at Sally or not. Yeah, it's not. Like, if it was that level, would you be okay with it? Because, you know what, like, people are seeing things for the first time, like, whatever, have your opinions on it. And, like, I know what we're doing on the back end to, like, fix things. But, like, I mean, people just dig into, like, how I, like, dress, how I act,

how I'm supposed to act around this crew and this cast and, like, that I'm ungrateful and that I only want to be one of one on my show. And I'm like, no, none of that is true. It's bad, dude. I'm sorry. I am on the side of the internet where I feel like people really love you. I love that. I love that.

Okay. Not in my own personal comments and DMs, though. Sometimes you get to, like, the worst. part of the internet, you know? Or, you know how it is? You'll see, like, a hundred comments of, like, we love you. But you see the one of like, I hate you and you're like, you know, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. Or like someone would just say, like, the comment that always gets to me the most is that people always say, I need real friends. And I'm like, guys, you think that I would hang around these people if I wasn't actually, like, friends with them? Also, like, even if you

weren't. Yeah, that's such a rude thing to say. That's a rude thing to say. And even if you weren't, it's like, how much reality TV do you watch, you guys, or the hater that is saying this? Right. Of, like, we actually know they're not friends, like a lot of housewives that they throw together. Yeah, yeah. Like, we are, like, our cast is actually a group of friends. Like, they had, and I was so sad to miss, they had a white elephant gifting yesterday.

I, like, we all hang out. So I don't, people are just annoyed. And you guys have a lot of parties. Like, I feel like this season, we're on episode four. Like, every episode is a party. It's a party. Yeah, every episode's a party. Literally every episode is a party.

But for people that don't know, I'll just let everybody know about what Sierra did for you and coming to your defense. Because the fight with Sally, we could look at it just as like, you know, it's just two girls fighting. That's it. You could decide, team what, team what, right? But I'm assuming it got uglier. But she was really criticizing, you know, people.

Because I think sometimes we're watching reality TV as like, it is what it is. Yeah. And Sierra was kind of digging deeper. She was like, no, it goes beyond that. Right. And, like, the people are so quick to comment on what they see as the surface of what we're doing. And, like, it really goes deeper than that. So when she was saying that Craig, like, is trying to push you out to not film with you? Is that what you felt was true? Yeah. He literally was refusing to film with me. And that means you're out of a job, right? That means like... That means I don't have a job. That means I can't hang out with my friends. That means I don't have a platform to show up to you. Like, I would lose so many things. You know what I mean? That's just really mean.

And he obviously It choked up, excuse me. No, my love. No, it's just so mean, you know what? It is so mean. By the way, a lot of shows where the drama gets bad, you'll have these moments where it's like, what do we do? They won't film together.

And then it's like, you're fucked. Yeah. I don't think, I shouldn't say, I don't think. I'm hopeful that I'll never get that bad. But I just, what's the point of refusing to film with someone? But that's what you understood that he was doing. Yeah. Because of the fact that you said Team Page.

Yeah. I don't understand it. And, you know, I used to, and I've said this before, I used to root for Craig. Like, I was Team Craig. Yeah. And, like, because I made a decision to, like, be Team Page and be on the gross side of things when the breakup happened. Because, again, now as the world knows, Sierra and I are very close. I mean, I was close with Page, not, like, super, super close, but close enough, you know?

But, like, she's a good friend and she's her good friend, A plus B, equals C. Thank you. So I was just like, okay, like, obviously I'm going to stand up for Page, take her side. I see her more. I talk to her more. Craig never really made any effort to be my friend. And so it's like, why am I now supposed to just be like, oh, yeah, you're right. I don't talk to you.

I don't know. It's just weird. Also, like, sometimes with reality TV, it's like, people need to be more consistent because, like, what Austin says about him, let's say, or what Shep says about him, right? And then it's like, he's milking the, like, right? That's the worst thing you said. Yeah, I said, I'm milking it. Yeah. He's enjoying the attention.

I'm looking at the breakup. And it's like. It's over. It's over. Like, oh, my gosh. She said the worst thing in the whole. world. And I'm like, you boys fight all the time. Yeah. You come back. And you guys

say things in confessionals. Like, Rodrigo just said about you that you're a shady bitch, I think. Like, are you going to be done with him? Am I about to be like, oh my God? I would be like, oh my God, you just said that I was a shady witch. No, when you said that, by the way, I rewound. I was like, wait, did he just say shady bitch? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a little spicy sometimes. But you know, like, he calls me out on things that no one else would

and, like, says things like that. And I do the same with him. So it's like, okay, I have an understanding of like, you know what? That's how you felt in the moment. You can have that. I'm not going to be like, oh, my God, I hate you now. I'm going to be a little upset. Yeah. I could be like, don't want to film with you. When Sierra came to your defense online and said that, do you feel like that helped

people put things into perspective? Yeah. I think it helped people understand it on a different level, a thousand percent. And I texted Sierra shortly after I saw it. And I was like, thank you for speaking because in moments like this, I choke on words. Like, I don't know how to like. So you didn't know she was going to do that. No, I had no idea.

I had no idea. I saw it online for the first. I'm just like everyone else did while it was happening. Yeah. Yeah. I think it even helped me because I was focusing on your fight with Sally. Yeah, I think everyone was. Right.

And I was like one of the people. Like, I'll be honest with you. I thought in my mind like, wait, but what does she care? Like, so Craig doesn't like you. Like, if you're looking at like that without the context. Yes. You're like, Craig is mad. You said some shit.

So you guys don't like each other and she wants to hook up with him. And you're friends with her. Right. And you're being like, don't hook up with him. he doesn't like me because I said the thing. Then it's like, do you understand what I'm saying? There's a way in which you could be like, oh, like, what does any of the care of? She just like, Tom Sim and why am I so concerned with who Sally's with?

Right. But when you care about somebody and you love somebody, you don't want to see them be hurt. So tell me about those feelings, like with Sally, like why you felt that so strongly. Were the Craig situation. Because like Sally and I are really close. And at that time, we were like, thickest thieves. You know what I mean? And it was just like, okay, I've seen her.

date a couple people, and I was just like, I don't want her to fall for someone that I know it's not. It's a bad egg. Oh, that was it? I thought you were mad at her because you guys didn't like each other. I mean, I was upset that she was wanting to go after a man that was so happy to go publicly and be like, I could never be friends with someone like that. But like, at the end of the day, unfortunately, I was just like, whatever, I'm not going to, I'm just going to ignore that. I still don't want this girl to be hurt by somebody that doesn't deserve her time. Yeah. You know.

No, because I'm like episode four. Episode four. Yeah. The last episode I watched. You're at his pool party. Another party. You came. Tell me about the decision to go to the party.

I'm always the bigger person. Yeah. As Sierra says, we always have to be the bigger people in these situations. So, yeah, I was the bigger person. I came to the party. And I brought a gift. I brought towels for everybody. I was just like, you know, I'm going to do it.

And I'm going to show up and have things for everybody at this party. And I just, yeah, I had to be the bigger person. Did it feel. good that he this time extended an invite when you thought he wasn't gonna... Oh, he'll always extend the invite. Oh, okay.

He'll always extend the invite. So that... Yeah, that didn't feel like anything special. Sorry. No, because I know we were talking about how you were feeling like maybe he was like pushing you out. Yeah, but that didn't come into,

that doesn't come into really till later on of understanding that. Damn reality TV and the timing. Yeah, the timing is, yeah. So wait, okay. So at this point, you're like, not great, but still extending invites. Yeah.

Like, we're still. cordial, you know, at this point. So what we're talking about comes later that we just, we don't know why that happens yet. Is it about the Sally stuff? I have no idea. I wish I could sit down and ask him if I'm being honest. Like, hey, like, why are you so mad at me? You don't know to this day. I just assume it's always the page stuff. Like, and if that's it. And if that's it, then like, we have got to move on from that. We have got to. We've got to move on from that. So you left the party. You gave him a kiss. Yeah. And then

And you said something to Sally, like, you know, and she was like, wait, you're going to give him a kiss and not say bye to me. Tell me about that. I had to give her a little poke back. So you, I feel like you were, you were the feelings. What is wrong to say? Shady bitch? It was being a little shady. I mean, with Sally this season, there is a lot. Yeah, there's a lot going on. It's like it kind of came all at once, you know? Yeah. Because last season she had like a boyfriend. Yeah, she had a boyfriend last season

And he was not the nicest person to her Like kept her in the house She couldn't eat certain foods Oh wow Like had her working out all the time Which is fine to a degree Like let you know You want to encourage your partner to work out

And be healthy but like She didn't drink That guy with the little ponytail That little what? I liked it A little man bun with no shoes in his feet You know what? It's the man bun Beware of the man bun

Everyone fell for the man bun You fall for the man bun and it gets you Like you have a man bun You surf You look hot, like whatever. So he sucks, basically. Yeah, he's not good. So I've seen her go through being with someone that she thought that she was like so in love with and so happy with, hurt her once.

And then just the thought of like having to walk through that with her again as her friend was just like, okay, we can't do this again. Like open your eyes. Because you're sure like Craig is not. Not for her. I mean, he's not for. He's not. I don't know who he's for, but I don't think he's for her. He's death.

So, okay. No, watching it, I'm like, you know, that movie he's just. it's not that into you? Yeah. It's that movie. Yeah. And it's there. It's not like behind the scenes.

Like he's blatantly not. Yeah. And sometimes us girls could be blind, right? Yeah. And I was trying to help her open her eyes and like just see, hey, listen, like, I know you're into him. But I don't, like, literally, I just don't think he's that into you. Yeah. Yeah. Does she, could you tease if she, like, opens her eyes throughout the season?

I'm like, I think at the time that she decides to start opening her eyes is too late. do you think he's into Charlie way more than he's into her? Yeah, a thousand percent. Yeah. And everyone could see it, right? Not just like the viewer. Yeah. And like, I don't know.

He was just like treating her differently, talking to her differently. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? And I was just like, Sally, you're not getting that same attention from him. So like, why are you still trying to go after him? Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever hook up with anybody in the group?

No. Hey, I'm the only one I feel. Really? Yeah. A size level, but she's not here anymore. more. Right. And you guys were really close, right? Yeah, yeah. I was sexing her earlier, actually. I love her. She's sweet. We'll be right back after the break. Bur. It's cold in here. I need my amazva in the atmosphere. No, wait. This like is,

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And we're back. So you didn't hook up with anybody aside from J-T. I didn't hook up with J-T. There was never a hookup? No, everyone kept saying that, like. Oh, because maybe we thought hotel room men hug up. Yeah, but I'm just not that type of girl. Sorry.

So you, okay, so never even any, any, anything physical. I barely kissed that boy. I had a lot of questions last season, babe, about that. I know, you did. Everyone, every time I see people that I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, oh, why? Everything about it. First of all, it came out of nowhere where you were like,

I really like him. Like, I was like, wait, rewind, wait, wait. So can you just, for me and the fans of the show and the listeners, like recap the JT sitch for us from last season? Yeah, okay, so JT and I were trying to think. We did our first appearance. I think it was Watch What Happens Live. and, like, from that moment, we kind of just, like, clicked.

Like, she couldn't help herself. Ooh. You. What do you mean? Like, he was irresistible. I mean, a little. Okay. You know what?

I've never met him, so. No, I shouldn't say irresistible, but, like, he was just, I just saw a side of him that I hadn't seen before. Okay. I was like, okay, like, I liked that. And then, like, I kept seeing that side of him as long as cameras were down. But when cameras were up, he became a completely different person. But, of course, I was advocating for my off camera, a little, flirty love affair situation.

And that didn't work. He literally had a girlfriend the whole time. That you didn't know about? No idea. Had no idea. And like, I knew a lot of things. Like, you were friends with him. Like, talked to him on the phone.

We did walks in the morning on the battery. Like, it was, like, I saw him almost every day. So he kept a huge part of his life away from me. Why? I have no idea. And I feel like he knows that, like, if he told me he had a girlfriend, I'm like, okay, cool, like, whatever. Like, I'll just back off.

So do you think he wanted, like, Like, what was his motivation? I don't think he understood who he liked more. And he was trying to, like, weigh his options. But I don't think the other girl was having it. I don't even remember her name. Did you realize, like, that your feelings for him? Because I feel like at the point of the reunion, you were like, actually really hurt.

This wasn't like a joke. Yeah, I was devastated. Yeah, it wasn't some, like, everyone was like, oh, this is just a storyline. Right. I was like, baby, you think I would put my heart in the line for a storyline? I said, I'm not. No, I would never do that. But yeah, I was devastated.

Because I was just like, okay, like he was, at the time, he was one of the people I was the closest to on the cast, you know, like, again, talking every day, going on walks, hanging out all the time. And, like, I was like, oh, I think I like him. Like, I hadn't liked somebody in a long time. I was coming off the fact that my ex-boyfriend literally cheated on me with someone else and then moved to New York. It was like, okay, finally, I'm just going to be like, let my heart be open and then boom, slap in the face. Do you talk to him still? Oh, no, I'm blocked on everything. He blocked you.

He blocked me. Yeah, on everything. Why? I have no idea. Like, I wish I could answer some of these questions for you a little better. Like, you think, like, his girlfriend asked him to do it? I don't even think they're together anymore. Uh-huh.

Yeah. And if he came on Ackin? No. No. Absolutely. But you're, like, attracted. Not anymore. Okay.

You were. I was. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't come off good on the show. No. He wasn't, like, good with anyone. He should have at least, you know, kept his relationship with you. I was going to say, I was the only person left that I felt that he was, like, good with.

Like, he messed up his relationship with Taylor. he didn't have a great relationship with Craig. The boys were kind of like iffy about him, but they were trying, you know, like, Shepin Austin and like, it just... So who are we hot for now? Stop it. Are you going to say it? I mean, Carl's cute.

A who? A who now? I'm sweating. You are wearing layers. She is wearing layers. And Carl's cute. Carl from Summerhouse. Carl from Summerhouse.

He was at the event, too. He was. Did you speak? Yeah, we did. He took a very cute photos together. I haven't posted it yet, but... Okay. Well, get around to it someday, babe.

Okay. But how did you, like, did you meet him? Like, because of Sierra? What's going on? So, yeah, I met him because of Sierra, but I feel like what really kind of sparked everything is that when we did NBC upfronts last year, there was a photo of us and our hands were just touching.

And, like, mind you, I'd never, like, really thought anything about him until that moment. And then the Internet blew it up. They were like, oh, my God, like, they're dating or this or that. And we just kept, like, being cheeky with each other and joking about the, like, oh, they think that, oh, they think we like each other, yada, yada, yada. And we have now gone on one date. Yeah, yeah, which is very nice. We went to soft bar course first, and I got to see that whole experience. And then we went to dinner at a Mexican restaurant around the corner.

And we actually had to be asked to leave because we shut the place down. No. What, you spoke until, like, so late? Yeah, I think it lasted for almost five hours. Like, we were together the whole day for about five hours. Yeah. When was this? Two weeks ago.

Oh, wait. So this is new. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I love it. Yeah. Because he's so sweet. He's so sweet.

I also got to talk to him. Yeah. And he, I also told him, like, in the summer house trailer, he looks better than ever. Yeah. And IRL, like, he's just in the best kind of Carl phase right now. Yeah, yeah, for sure. How would you feel about doing somebody sober? That's fine.

I literally. I literally texted him before we went on the date and I was like, hey, like, are you okay with if I drink? And he was like, well, first of all, no one's ever asked me that. Second, he was like, that is really sweet. Well, you know, like, I'm fine to, like, not drink. And if someone's trying to date someone or get to know someone better, they might not want their partner to drink. So I was just like, oh, let me ask, like, because I could just not be fine. Yeah.

But did you drink? I had one margarita that lasted me the whole night. The whole five hours. Because I was like, let me just make sure I drink slow. I don't want to drink too much. Yeah. Like, you know, like, I'm making a pool of myself. Babe, he's at the summer house.

I mean, I know that, but like, like, you know what he sees. I mean, he sees mess. I mean, he's around. Like, he, if he's tested for anything, it's at the summer house. Weed, I ship. How did the kids go? What is the? I ship.

Yeah, yeah, he's sweet. So we'll see where it goes. Did you go to the house at all in the summer? No, I haven't. Okay. No, I haven't gone. Yeah. The first time I went to the summer house, I think, was in 20, 20,

too. I think Sierra invited me. And it was Kyle's birthday. And it was like a Western theme. It's actually my contact photo for Sierra. And that was our first photo. Do you like their themed parties? Oh my God. They're so fun. You love that. The theme. I love a theme part. I love a theme party. And like I just feel like they do it so well. Like they've everyone just kind of goes all in. No, the themed party in Southern Charm. The literary figures. Oh my God. I'm in Madison dress up a ship. Amazing. But I'm thinking of Austin as like Hermione. And they're fighting and he's with little headband. I mean, he has a wig. It's so cute on him, though. It's actually good luck. Yeah, the headband was cute on him. So that explosive fight. Yeah. Thoughts with Austin and

Craig and then Shep got into it. So I actually, I'm trying to remember. I think I was actually in the kitchen when the majority of this was going on. I don't, I think Austin is just kind of getting tired of Craig. Yeah, and like feeling like he has to always defend himself against him. Like, Austin is, from what I'm like learning about Austin. Like, Austin just seems really done earth cool and like you can say anything to him you can talk about anything and just be over it like there's no need to keep fighting but i don't think craig's into that they have like you know when a relationship just becomes toxic yeah like it's a toxic friendship yeah on the surface i think they're great like go out and have a drink go home whatever but like them trying to go any deeper than that at

this point i don't think it's but i wonder what it is like is somebody jealous of somebody like or is it all the time like he wants what he has and now he wants it because i think i feel it's that right I think that Austin is feeling a little, like, because he does keep on making, like, snark comments, like, you're going out, the hot tubs, the this, the that. So, I mean, snarky comments are fine. You don't need to explode over them. And Craig, like, literally threw him under the bus.

Yeah. Big time. And with the CHEP thing and the everything. And now Austin is contemplating those friendships. I mean, as you should. Yeah. I mean, you can't call that somebody like that, your best friend. And, like, they just talk about you like that in that way.

And there's like, no, there's never a resolve. You two can never come to any type of resolve. Like, that's just not good. It's not healthy. And there's never, like, a true, like, how do you guys like to say? Accountability. Yeah, no one, no. No one's ever being held accountable, yeah.

But I feel like Shep does really care. He does. But I think also Shep is just at a point where, at a point where he's just like, like, what else can I do at this point, you know? He's like, can we just stop fighting and have fun? Like, Shep literally just wants to have fun all the time. He's like, can we not fight? He is killing me, though, that he, on one hand, once stuck up a charge.

On the other hand, he, like, put on that weird speedo at Craig's party. And I'm like, either, because you guys were saying, like, he's so confident. But I'm like, either he's confident or it's like... No, he's confident. It's confident. He has more confidence than I think anyone in this group of him being very honest. Really? Yeah.

Like, he just does what he wants unapologetically. He doesn't care. And if somebody, if a girl wants to go with him, fine. If not, great. Somebody else will want that little tiny butt. This little butt. It was the tiny butt. The tiniest butt I've ever seen.

I just want to ask him, like, does it hurt when you sit? With all that weight, he's so tall in that tiny little butt. Remember when they bought him a little butt pad? Oh, you don't. Wait, what? Is this a true story? Yeah, I think it was last, was it last year? What?

The little butt is a thing? No, like they gave him a butt pad. The boys, Austin and Gray. Why? Because he has no butt. Wait, I thought I just meant. I thought this was groundbreaking news that I was saying. It's a thing?

It's a thing. I can't believe they got him about that. I cannot. Okay. Wait. I'm dead. Now I'm just back on that at the speedo. They also zoomed in.

Bravo. Zoomed in. I saw the hairs around the, like, it was just, there was a lot of zooms. It's a lot of zooms. And he's confident. And we love that. He is really confident. What do you think of Corey with a K?

It's cute. Yeah? Yeah, he's cute. Did you flirt? A little bit. Molly was flirting. Yeah, that's why I didn't want to. flirt too much. I was like, let me just, I said, oh, Molly

likes him more. I was just step away. Molly seems great. Molly's great. I love Molly. She's really sweet. She's, like, she's down to earth. She's easygoing. And I, it's been fun to see her get out of her show more. I feel like last year, she was a little bit to herself, a little more timid, but like this year, like,

we get to see her out more, she's drinking a little bit. Do you feel bad? Oh, a thousand percent. About the repeating the Vajrejuvenation story, which, like, can I just say shocked to me for Molly? And Molly is, listen, Molly's a motto. She's going to do the things to keep her body right and tight, okay?

No, but, like, she wasn't giving vaginal rejuvenation to me. You know what I mean? I meant, like, a person that would, like, care about stuff like that. You can just read it from them, like, oh, this is this type of electric, electric, electric, athletic that they would go after, elective. Thank you, surgery they would go after. So, shocking for Molly, but I love a person that, like, surprises us and, you know, isn't all that they seem.

So she, like, plays the tuba. has vaginal or not tuba she's going to be mad at me what's it called tuba it's like a tiny version of the tuba euphonium she's like i would not date anybody who has to know what a euphonium is it's a euphonium i know please so molly in what context did she tell you about the labia no my god i think it was just like a casual conversation oh it's casual yeah okay so then you're laying you're tanning yeah you tell sally yeah it's okay we all gossip no it's not my proudest moment though Okay. Yeah, it's not my proudest moment.

But I know we all thought it was some tea. Yeah, I didn't think it was like something that was just. It's not like evil. No. No, you're just repeating tea. Yeah. Okay. That I was hoping that the tea would not be repeated again.

And she, who did she repeat the tea do? Who does she not? And by the way, I get it. Like, I get, I get the repeating the tea. Yeah. Because it's hot tea. Yeah. To a friend to be like, oh my God, she got this thing.

Yeah, but like I wasn't expecting it to go outside. And to get to men, I feel like that's where it is. It's like to tell other girls in the key key, it's like, oh my God, I did this. Oh, what does it look like? And we can all chat about it. We can ask her questions because I do have a few questions Molly and I will be asking them. Right. But you know, it's just like, you want to keep it.

But for guys, like, you're like, I don't need them knowing what's happening down there. No. And the guys all know now. Yeah, which like makes me feel bad because I was the one that said it to Sally. And then Sally brought it to everyone else. And I'm like, you know, I just feel really bad about it. Because I just thought it was like, you know, like harm us. I'm talking to my girlfriend.

Yeah. Let's keep it here. But Molly, I feel like was quick to forgive you. Yeah. She was kind of like I love Vanita. Yeah. And I appreciate that. And I think she was quick to forgive me because I wasn't, I didn't lie.

I was just like, yeah, I did say that. And I'm sorry. And I said, you do have the right to be mad at me. And you can be mad at me. And I just have to live with that for however long until you choose to forgive me, you know? Like, why do they do you think hate each other so much? I have no idea.

Like, by the way, Molly got saucy quick. Like, I feel like she put Sally like so in her place or whatever. Yeah. Sally was like shocked. She was shocked. Yeah, she was shocked. I don't know. I literally don't know.

Like, if I'm being very honest, I just don't know why those two don't get along. Is one not a girl's girl? Oh my God. You know what? I'm not speaking on that because so help me, God. Sally has already been like, oh, like, why did you say that that's not nice? And I apologize for it. but a few days ago, she put on her Instagram story

hanging out with girls' girls. Like, babe, pick aside. Like, you beat me, not beat me up, but like you made me feel awful for saying that. And I apologize for it and said, I can clean it up, I can do whatever, like, speak to it and make sure that's clear. And then you post it on your Instagram story.

Yeah. Oh, right, because you said that. It's all clocking now. You said that you might not be a girl's girl. Yeah. I mean, who is at this point? because like Charlie is dating the guy that that this group is hard right I mean I don't know and she's basically like whatever you know everyone dates everyone in Charleston like that's the vibe

but like she's her good friend yeah and like does that like girl like does that not hurt your feelings doesn't not make you feel weird are they pretending to not know about each other or they know they know they know are you friends with Charlie yeah I am she's sweet and with And where do you stand with Sally now? We're working on it. We've gotten better. The gross growth thing really kind of threw us for a curve again. But I did my due diligence to apologize.

But, you know, just one day at a time. Like she's a little boy crazy, maybe. Yeah, she's... Remember Sheena called herself boy crazy? I think she, yeah, she, like, leaned in to the boy crazy word. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know what?

Sally likes boys. She has said it herself to me. She was like, yeah, sometimes I do get a little crazy over boys. That's fine. Just own it. But what about the whole, like, what do you say to fans of the show that are like, wait, she was on The Bachelor, she was on the Levis show? Oh, yeah. Southern Hospitality. Yeah. Like, is, is it a person that really wanted to be on TV no matter what? Does it feel like that? I think she wants to be on TV. And, like, I don't mean, I'm like a snarky way. I just like she wants to be on TV unless she's finally found her footing, I think. But I haven't really asked her personally about her other shows.

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Leva brought me on as her friends of five, oh my God, five years ago. That was crazy. It was season, what, seven? Yeah, season seven. Yeah. So she was like, should you show interest? Like, how did it happen? No, she sat. me, my friend Anna, who I wish would do it with me, if you're listening to this, please. She sat myself, Anna, my other friend, Megan, and was one other girl who I can't remember. She set us on at lunch, and she was like, you know, guys, I just got this cool opportunity to, like, be on a show and I'd love you to join us. And I was just like, okay. Did you have any, like, you were doing, like, influencing.

I was doing, like, fashion and clothes. Fashion influencing. I'd been doing that for probably five years or so prior. I've been in the game as an influencer for a long time. Oh, really? Like back when, like, I was posting on a blog every day. Oh, wow. And now blogs are coming back around. No, blogs are coming back again.

Yeah. So she offered this to you. Did you see it? Like, you were like, oh, my God, like Star Eyes? Like, this is an opportunity? I was just like, it's so cool. Like, when am I ever going to be able to do something like this again? And I truly do not expect to get a call from the network to be like, hey, we would love

to interview you for a full-time position. And I was just like, oh, okay. Did it switch to full-time, the following season? Yeah, the following year. So first year I was friends out of the following year. following year. I was a full-time cast member. Wow. I know. Not crazy. First of all, I'm such a fan of the show. Like, I think I told you when we met, I was like,

there are a few shows that I'm, like, thick and thin. And Southern Charm was just one of them. Yeah. I mean, it's a good show. It's such a good show. And this season, by the way, I mean... It's spicy. Fucking odd. Like, and by the way, I don't know who edits those, like, coming scenes, but every coming scenes, I'm like... Oh, like the little, like, six-minute... Yeah, when I'm like, cancel. Like, you know how Peacock has this, like, pop up of like, no, I don't want to go to the next episode. I want to watch this whole teaser clip. Thank you.

Thank you. So anyway, so the show, it's been five years. I've been on for five years. It's wild. I didn't think I was going to make it. Like, after my first year full time, that's when I really saw, like, how cruel people could be, like, from an online standpoint. I was like, oh, no, I can't do this again. And you know who got me to stay Sutton?

I ran into Sutton for the first time ever in the Charleston airport. I was flying back from New York to Charleston and she was on our flight and I was too nervous to speak and then finally at baggage came I was like hi Sutton like I'm a big fan she was like girl I've been sitting in you DMs

have you not been seeing them this whole time and she had been DM me I had no idea and I told her about like how I felt and like how I was like kind of nervous to go back I kind of felt defeated and she was like no you have to go back you got to show them that they didn't win so I came back really you had thoughts of like

oh no I was too much for me literally yeah my brain couldn't handle it like the idea of like having this platform was like cool but my mental health was just like not there at the time I was just there's no way I can do this every year five years later so but now you have a system

so the system is you go online however you're not scrolling is that it no I literally only have one platform in this threads and I have so many words okay shout out I literally have threats on my phone, and that's it. I don't have Instagram.

I don't have TikTok. Like, as the show is airing. As the show is airing. Like, I don't have it on my phone at all. Give me your phone. All right. Oh, my God. Is this another phone number?

Wait, for realsies? What, somebody put Instagram back? Just kidding. What? You got a Carl text said. No, my assistant texted me saying, I think Craig blocked me on Instagram. What? Anyways, you can type in Instagram and see if it pops up.

No, no Instagram. No Instagram, okay. It tells you to download it. Type TikTok, see what happens. No TikTok. All right. Thread. Threats?

Promo for thread. She has that. I have threads. But, babe, people do a lot of talking on threads, too. Yes, but I have words. I have words blocked from Instagram. So all of that, like, went over to the threads account. Okay.

I can't. I still can't see anything. So that's still, like, a positive one for you. Yeah. And like, anything I see is positive. It's a lot of months to not have these apps. I'm like... You know, it's so refreshing.

I'm sure. Like, it's so refreshing. And you have somebody posts for you. Yeah, my aunt, Demi. She posts for me. Yeah, she's great. So where do you create the content that you need on, like, a different app? I edit everything on my phone or my computer, and then I just send it straight to her, and then she posts it every day.

And this has been how many years they've been doing this little trick that helps you? This is my second year, but this is the first year I feel like I really haven't tried to re-download the apps at all. Last year, I was struggling with it a little bit. That's why, by the way, me, like, not believing you is because, like, I could never, you know? Yeah. No, it's hard. I could do it for maybe 24 hours. No, that's the worst.

The first 24 hours, you feel the, like, literal crack. You're like, oh, my God, I have to check my phone. Like, do you even get the, like, you know, when you, like, go to it and it's not there? Like, no, I don't do that anymore. And so, and then there was a time period there where I was like, okay, well, maybe if I don't put it, like, I have to type. it in to see it on my phone. I go to it less. Good thing I got your number at the Threads event because if not I wouldn't have been able to DM you. Oh, she would have told me. Oh, yeah. Okay. She's like, oh, so and so reached out to you. I'm like, okay. But yeah, no,

nothing. Wait, back to Craig blocking her. I think he blocked me too. At one point, I had him blocked him and I was like, let me grow up. You know, like, let me still try to be the bigger person, but then I think he blocked me. So you blocked him, unblocked him. Yes. And now you think he blocked you again and your assistant that he knows, he's met her? I don't know if he's met her. But I feel like he's off. You know what somebody, when somebody, let me just give you a guy's a life hack. Yeah. Or a pro tip, rather. If you think you're blocked. You are. You know when you start doing like trials, you're like, wait, let me see. Wait, you check if you see it. And it's like, bitch, you're blocked. Yeah, you're blocked. If you think you're blocked, you're probably blocked.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Sad. And like, I know people think it's like, I'll come across shady or like fake or whatever. But like at the end of the day, like the whatever the issue is, it's so stupid, why can we just get over it? So I don't think you come across as fake at all. I think if we go back with the little like kiss and stuff, you know, and coming with the gifts. That's what I mean. You know, like it's just such a small thing. It's like, why can we just talk about like two adults and be over it? It's such a small thing. Especially in relation. The way I like to think of things is like there is like real life. Yes. And then there's reality TV, which I can attest because I've met so many of you, like, it's still real life.

Like, as you guys see, like, Craig is blocking your assistant. Yeah. This is real life, right? However, you guys are also making a show. Yes. So, like, you watch Housewives, right? And it's like, she'll go and say what she told her. And if they didn't do that, there would be no fucking conflict or drama.

And that's why I'm sure they're aware of it, which is why Craig and Austin say the worst fucking shit to each other and forgive each other. And they forgive each other. So, like, your fight with him is like a blip. A blimp. What did you say? That I was Team page. That you were milking things. That's it.

It's not like you were like he cheated on her or like that he's the most awful person in the whole world because like I haven't said that. Do you think there's a world I'm being devil's advocate for two seconds? Come on. Where he's so hurt by you saying that he thought you were friends or something. I'm just trying to think like why, like why hold on to it so much and you know. Do I think that at any point? that he thought we were actually friends? No. Do I think that there might be some part of him that could

be hurt? Sure. But just say that. Speak to me like an adult and tell me that. So we can talk about it. So I can have a... I can't believe you guys haven't had a conversation yet. He denounced ever wanting to be near me or friends with me and watch what happens live last year. He said that. I was like, I could never be friends with someone like that. Okay. Did that hurt you? Oh, my God. It was devastating. Oh, yeah. A text message is so quick. Hey, I don't like the things that you've been saying, do you mind if we chat about it? And he hadn't texted out. Yeah, that is hurtful.

It's hurtful, yeah. Because if I can, like, do something that, you know, I thought was, like, harmless with the whole Molly thing and talked to her and we have a conversation about it. And she's just like, listen, like, I know you didn't, you didn't mean any, like, ill intent with that. And we can be over it. Yeah. How quick that is.

Right. Like, and Molly and I were, like, basically back to, I was like, not that we really fell off, but we were back to normal right after that. Like, made a couple jokes here and there, you know. Is there a reason why you didn't? did across your mind, like, in this season that we're watching and just come up to him and be like, listen. Yeah, I feel like I tried,

I feel like I tried to get one-on-one time with him throughout the season to chat about it, and he just wasn't into it. Really? Yeah. Austin says on this season that he, like, is scary. Do you see that? Yeah. Side.

Yeah. They did a lot of flashbacks. Bravo did a lot of flashbacks. Last year, Andy asked us, he was like, how many are you in this couch? You're afraid of Craig, and we all raise her hands. Wow. That was crazy.

Yeah. In what way, like, afraid of? Me, personally, I have no idea because I've never been able to get close, but I just see how he talks to his people and, like, people around him. I'm like, that's just scary. Like, how do you talk to people you call your friends like that? Yeah, people are scared. He's going to, like, flip on them. And, like, throw them under the bus. Yeah, a thousand percent. It's sad. It is really sad.

Yeah. Life's too short to be stacked and silly behind something that's so small. Do you think he's still dealing with, like, the page breakup and is that an excuse for a behavior? No, it's not an excuse for behavior at all. You're a grown man. No. Wait, wait. Repraised.

Not an excuse, but do you think that's the reasoning behind his behavior? Yeah, I think it's a part of it for sure. Yeah. Thoughts on Austin's girlfriend? Yeah, she's cute. She is really cute.

It's cute. She's sweet. What about Sally saying she wants to fuck Austin? I don't think she should have said that. That was a crazy thing to say. What about Madison telling Audrey that she said that? Savage Madison. No, I think Madison was looking out for Audrey in that moment.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't think Madison wanted to see Austin deal with any of that bullshit. And he was like, hey, listen, Madison was like, hey, listen, I'm going to tell her this. She literally just got up. Like, I feel she didn't even answer. That beach party was crazy. That was your party. No, that was her party.

That was her party. Yeah, Roderigo and I were the ones planning it all and putting it all together. I know. That's why I thought it was your party. Yeah, I know. Bitch, I would never be sweating on the beach for somebody else's party. Like, when I saw you setting up, no, no, no, no, that's what I, I know. Yeah.

Seeing you set up on that beach, I was like, I never, like, I hate setting up for a party. Oh, and I hate sand. Oh, I hate sand. Like, I know from the south. And you said you were sweating? I was sweating. No, awful. You were sand everywhere.

No. Oh. That alone. That alone. No. Helping in that way. Yeah. Mm-mm.

Wouldn't be me. Listen, that was my friend, you know, my best friend. And she asked me to help. Yeah. I was happy to, you know, everyone knows I love to throw a party and have people together. and, like, asked Rod to help me with the furniture. Like, why not? Yeah.

That party was crazy. That party was out of control. So you think Audrey and Austin could last? I think so. Yeah? Yeah, I do. Madison had a point, like, though, when she was like, you're getting bored. Oh, Austin's getting bored with Audrey?

Yeah. Well, I feel like Austin probably just does not like the fact that she'd their long distance. You think? I don't know if Austin's ever done a long-distance relationship. I think this might be his first. I think he was saying it's weird for him that he doesn't have the feeling of like, I'd want you to be here every day.

Which, by the way, if I would hear that with my huge... Oh, my God, that would break my heart. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So that's why I'm not sure. Yeah. They're going to stand the test of time. I don't know, but like I see, again,

like I have the luck of being able to see them outside of the camera and hang out with them outside of the camera. So it's like it's a whole other, like, it's just a whole other ball game then. Why is no one into Whittner? He's so cute. He's so nice. Yes.

I literally, listen, I don't even know. Hold on. I told Rodrigo that I was like, oh, yeah, what's cute when we were setting up for his party? And then Rodriguez was like, oh, yeah, what about Charlie? I'm like, why would you do that? Here I am trying to get you to throw me a ball to this man. And you're like, oh, what about Charlie? I didn't see you showing no interest.

I will. You did? and vibes? Maybe? I don't know. It's too like, he is a mama's boy, though. That's all right.

I don't a mama's girl, but not that bad. I know. I know. That's the thing. Like, I'm a boy mom and like, would I want my son to be obsessed with me? Yes.

Would I want to date somebody obsessed with their mom? No. Calling himself a mama's boy. Like, you know? I mean, shit, at least he owns it. He is very cute, by the way. This is the only negative thing I feel like I've seen. Yeah.

He's super cute. He's just so sweet. and fun and funny and well traveled has a shit together right has a job yeah has a job it's a good job you know owns his own house he's just doing well so were any of the girls aside from you feeling him i don't think so no yeah he's kind of sad he's cute is he not tall no is that why oh my god she's into the shorties you're into the shorties i like men i'm not going to be like oh he has to be a certain high like babe like looks fade the way people treat you is forever okay sorry.

Yes. Yeah. I don't have names. I'm my little chiro fingers. What's one thing that you wish we could see more of you on the show? Like you film a lot. We all know how to things get cut. I remember even chef was on once he was saying that.

Like, what's something that you wish we could see more of your stuff? I wish you guys could see me and my mom together more. Oh. Yeah. You know, my mom brings out a side of me that I feel like doesn't really come out with the group. And it's just like more playful, more fun. And, like, we have a really good time together. Is she around, like she lives close to you?

Yeah. She's from Charleston just like me. Yeah. You're an OG Charles tonight. I'm the only one on the show that's from Charleston. The only one? Wait, Shep, is it? No, he's from Hilton Ed.

Oh, right. Mm-hmm. You're the only one from Charleston. Yeah. Do you like to remind them about that? I love to remind them of that. Like, Witt put in a group chat the other day because I was coming to New York for work. And he was like, for neither. The show's called Southern Shore. I'm not Southern New York. I was

like, I'm the only one on the show from Charleston. You cannot say that to her. You cannot say that to her. Like, I'm in both places. You're in both places. What about Ms. Pat? Do you have any moments with her? No, sadly, I don't. You don't. Yeah. We had a cute moment probably two seasons ago where we talked about fashion and the fact that she has like hookups at Skad and if I ever needed anything, but we just never saw it on the other end. I love when Madison like fills her in. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I would love that. J.T. lives in Bali now?

We saw some TikTok. You know, I know more about that man that I would like because everyone tells me. But sure. Is he? That's where he is. That's where it seems that he is. Well, good luck and God bless. Wishing the best.

Yes. Who's going to have the most to answer to at the reunion? Who's going to be in the hot seat? Who's not going to be in the hot seat? I feel like we all kind of are a little bit. You didn't film it yet. Huh? You didn't film it yet.

No, no, no, no. I just feel that every single person is going to be in the hot seat a little bit, you know? You might have a moment. Oh, that was ever said. I'm definitely going to be. My hands are sweating, thinking about it. Like, I'm going to be in the hot seat. I feel like I've been cruising and all of a sudden I'm like, hey, guys, I'm here. Welcome. But you do watch the episodes because we talked about not being online, but you are watching every week. What about Olivia and her engagement? Do you know anything about that? No. I know they're still together.

They're still together. Yeah, she just called off the wedding. Were you supposed to go to the wedding? No. You weren't friends like that? Not enough to be invited to the wedding, I don't think. And Taylor? Oof. Oof? I kind of liked her.

I liked. And I liked Taylor. I think, I don't know. There's something different about her right now, though, that I'm just not. Something is coming out? I don't know. She's just being a little more spicy than normal. Yeah, wait. Who is she spicy about online? Sally. Sally. Yeah. And like, was under comments and talking and like. Oh, right.

And that kind of just came out of nowhere. I think it was because, not it came out of nowhere. Someone compared her to Sally, and she didn't like that. And it became this whole thing. Like, I mean, Sally was dealing with people finding out where she works and, like, digging up things at her job. I mean, it was wild. Like, it went way too far. She probably is sitting on the Reddit threads or something and just use that.

I don't know. Like, it kind of breaks my heart to see her. Spiraling. Yeah, because it's just like, like, right before BravoCon, I texted her and I was like, hey, like, give me some or your, like, whatever, your workout clothes. Like, I'll wear it at BravoCon probably, like, whatever, what have you. That's so sweet of you. You know, so I just don't know what's going on.

And did you? I didn't because I didn't text her back in time because I was already, I went to Vegas like three days early. How was BravoCon? It's fab. Yeah? Yeah. Do you get like, because it's so funny, like when I meet some Bravo people that go, they get like overwhelmed. Yeah.

Because it's a lot. It's a lot of social. A lot of attention. Yeah. Some people thrive in it. I thrive. I thrive. I have thousand percent.

Yeah. You love it every moment. I love it. No, it's just so nice to, like, see the people that support you and your fans and, like, hear the stories that they have to tell you. Like, I had one woman, and I think her husband made cards of all her favorite bravo liberties, and she had to sign them. And when I tell you, when she handed me that card to sign, I cried.

I was like, are you kidding? Do you practice your signature? Oh, I've been practicing my signatures since the fourth grade. Stop. Really? See, it's always, I just feel like people that have that in them. Yeah. I've been practicing that signatures since the fourth grade.

I have it down to a T. Yeah, thank you so much for coming. I love you. I think you're having such a great moment. I know you don't know it, but you are on the show. And somebody snatched this bicoastal girl up. She cooked. She's hot.

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