Not Skinny But Not Fat - What Do J.Lo and Kim K have in common? Celeb Hairstylist Chris Appleton

Episode Date: January 28, 2020

Celebrity hairstylist (slash British model) Chris Appleton comes on the pod to tell us all about how he became the go-to-guy for celeb hair; J.Lo, Kim K, Ariana Grande, Dua Lipa, Katy Perry and many other A listers trust his hands. Why does he think being British and hot has nothing to do with it? What did he think about J.Lo’s Golden Globes dress? Does he think pink hair is passé? Was Kim’s blonde hair a wig? I also had to ask “should I go blonder?” Do people look best with their natural hair color? How is he getting ready for J.Lo’s Superbowl hair? I ask all the important questions. And no he wouldn’t lift his shirt up.  This episode was brought to you by: Ritual Essentials have the nutrients most of us don't get enough of in our food. Make Ritual a part of your life – a subscription based service that adds up to only $1.00 per day. Right now Ritual is offering listeners 10% off during your first 3 months. Visit ritual.com/notskinny to start your Ritual today. Noemie makes beautiful, luxurious, quality, amazing jewelry for prices you can actually afford. For $50 off your first purchase go to hellonoemie.com/notskinny and use promo code "NOTSKINNY" during checkout. Collagen For Her is the first collagen powder created specifically for women. It dissolves instantly, doesn't clump up, and has no taste at all, so it's so easy to add to coffee, tea, or smoothies. Collagen For Her is woman-owned and was created to help women find supplements that they can trust and feel good about putting into their bodies. If you want to try it out, head to CollagenForHer.com and you can use the code "NOTSKINNY" to get 10% off your order!  Betterhelp is an online counseling platform for you. Listeners will receive 10% off their first month by heading to betterhelp.com/notskinny today. Get help on your own time and pace. The Not Skinny But Not Fat Podcast is produced by The Podglomerate.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The thing that makes me self-set, more than anything, is when people go, it's okay. It's fine. It's fine. I'm like, it's fine. Well, I might as well just not bother. I didn't be, I wasn't, I'm not here to be fine. I'm not like, fine is like dirty dishwash. It's like, fine is like, it will do. This is not skinny but not fat. And I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV. recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny, but not fat. Okay, you guys, we're going to jump right in with celebrity hairstylist slash like fucking British model or something, Chris Appleton.

Oh, you're cute. What an introduction. Thanks. Don't pretend you don't know, Mr. As I'm shoving food in my mouth. As you're shoving food, but also like your Instagram is a lot of short list photos. I don't know. Too much. I don't know. I mean, are we trying? I feel like it's on brand now.

Yeah. No, it's, first of all, you are a beautiful hot man. This is the thing. You post a, I post a picture on my top off. It does really well. And you post a picture with your top on and it's not so well. So, like, you just want to go with what's doing well, I guess. Nah, I'm trying to balance it out because I feel like working out is a big part of my life.

And I work out really hard. Like, I work out mainly from my head. Like, it gives me good clarity. we've been so busy. But also I like to look good. Like if I'm standing in front of these people or if I'm like, you know, just generally, you know, be myself. Like I like to feel like I'm looking after myself because it's quite easy to let yourself fade. I'm 36 now and I guess I just don't want to be like, it's easy to let it go and just chill. But then it affects my whole mentality. It makes me feel a little bit lethargic. I kind of, I'm just not as motivated. So for me,

it's just more actually of a lifestyle. Plus to like have eight abs. Yeah. Are there eight? Sometimes. I'll lift your shirt. I sent you a picture. I would just check his Instagram. No, but like, I feel like the celebrity hairstyling scene.

I've seen a lot of women. Okay. And like a hot male, I haven't really. Really? Do you feel like you stand out in that way? I mean, I feel like it was never intentional. You know, like, it was interesting. first moved to Hollywood, Hollywood, you know, I was busy. And a lot of people were like,

oh, it's because he's cute. It's because he's British. But that's trash. You know, at the end of the day, you have to be good at what you do. Right. I started doing this when I was nine years old. I did my mom's hair. She was my first kind of person I did, you know, is to do a hair. I heard that you said used to, how do you start doing hair at nine years old? I don't know. I think I was always like creative with my hands. Chris is chewing cashers into the microphone, which like you don't really do on podcasts. Sorry, guys. I'm just eating. I'm starving. they've had me on a schedule this week um so i used to like doing stuff i don't know as creative as artistic i liked you know and rather than picking up a coloring book i'd kind of just do hair

i guess i liked someone let you take scissors to their head at nine years old or styling i used to my mom's hair so i used to do like different styles and i wanted my mom to feel like glamorous like i wanted to feel better about herself like and feel happy and like i noticed when i did a hair and i could make a look a certain way that her shoulders would go back and she would respond to whatever style I was given that. And I think that was what was attractive to me in terms of like, I was like, oh wow, it's like a superpower. You can make people feel really good.

So making people feel good was something that I became really into. And I remember my first day in a salon at the age of 13. Wait, what do you mean? Okay, hold up. So I got a job at 13. At 13. I wanted to do hair. Yeah.

And I remember standing there and I saw people walk in one day with their shoulders down and, you know, kind of regular. And then have the hair done. And, you know, even just a simple blowout, they would walk out with the shoulders back. And they would just have more flow in the way they walked. And I remember thinking, this is what I want to do. It's my first day. And I'm, this is it.

This is definitely what I want to do. Can you tell me what you did at that salon at 13? They used to wash hair, sweep the floors. And that came to because you wanted a job or because you already from nine were into like hair. So you were like, I want to get in. Yeah, I was already into it. And I just loved the whole, like, process that people would come in and then they would have the hair done and then walk out looking different. I don't know.

It was, I don't know. It was just really exciting to me. Chris, you know that that's like a gift. Like, no one really knows what they want to do with their life at 25, nevertheless, at freaking nine. Yeah, I guess. Maybe, yeah, no, for sure. I mean, I guess if you're that way, though, you don't realize.

But I just, I always, okay, I watched the film big. Do you remember big with Tom Hanks? And it really had an effect on me. I remember thinking, like, when I'm older, I want to do something different. I want to do something that kind of affect. the world or I want to like live I want to explore like so when I said I was going to be a hairdresser I think people thought oh well you know you go off be a hairdresser go and work in a local salon and it definitely wasn't as credible as a as a job as it is now sure so I went off and did it

but I always knew I don't know I just kept pushing I wanted to be the best in the salon I wanted to learn the most so I did that and then I sort of started going off into other aspects of hair and photo shoots and master that. Wait, so your family supported, like everyone your family supported, like, hairstyling as a career. That's also not, that's not a given either. A lot of families are like, go study, have a degree, like, be a lawyer or be a... Yeah, I guess, but no, that was, I mean, my brother was like a footballer, and he was always

like, I felt like the golden child and he was, like, playing professional football, and it was very good. But, you know, I kind of went off and kept getting the bus into town, and it was like an hour's journey on the, it was the 104 bus to the center of town. Oh, God, you guys, he's living it, like his eyes, he's there. He's there. I remember. Wait, where is it in the UK? So I'm originally from a town called Lester, so it's outside of London. It's like Northern England. And it was very real, you know, and I used to, people used to take the Mickey out me a little bit because I did hair.

I didn't really care. Just a little bit? That's surprising. Yeah, I think it was also like, oh, you're a hairdresser, you want to do hair, you know, and that was kind of, I don't know, I was just, that motivated. Sounds like you were like, you knew what you wanted, you were confident. Can I swear or no? Yeah. Well, I think I just thought more like, like, F you, like I'm not gonna,

I'll show you, like I'll show you what I'm gonna do. Like, you know, you think I'm just this sweaty, betty hairdresser. Like, I'm not. Like, I'm gonna, I love what I do. I'm gonna work. I'm gonna work, I'm gonna work honestly goes a long way. The one thing I've noticed about living in Hollywood is, you know, Like, there's a lot of people that want to do stuff.

They don't all necessarily, even just with, like, assistant, sometimes that, oh, I want to come on this issue. I want to meet Kim. I want to meet J-Lo. And I'm like, yeah, it's not really like that, though. Like, there's a lot of work that goes into each job before you go. And before you get the end glam picture where it's cute or I'm taking a picture with them or whatever. And they think, oh, that's cute. But I'm like, no, there's a lot of work that goes into creating that.

It's a lot of stress. There's a lot of last-minute changes. There's a lot of hair preparation. It's weird if people don't realize yet in the world. the things that look glamorous, like, aren't necessarily actually glamorous. Well, I think I don't mind that because I think there's a beauty to being a celebrity, which we all have, you know, for years and years and years, become accustomed to, which is, you know, it's almost like they're non-human.

You know, it's like this perfection, this, you know, this, this, these people that we look up to an admirer and it's almost like they don't have real lives, I feel. But, you know, obviously we all have real lives and we'll have real life. But not, I think sometimes people feel that like, The job we do is airy-fairy, but it's very real. You know, it's very real. And it's very, you know, if someone's going out on doing a red carpet, they're not going to, like, take a picture on Instagram.

They're walking out to the rest of the world and their opinion. Yeah. And that can be great. And it can also be bad. You know, and you have to be strong enough to be able to take both. And I've noticed just as I've got bigger, like, as I've got more, people kind of come up to me in the streets now. Like, I just went to Australia at Christmas and it's funny.

I was laying on the beach. I said, my head, my head in the sand. and someone come up to me, are you who this happens to him? And I'm like, yeah, how did you even see me? I was your hair. You know, it's the blonde hair. Like, people kept spotting me. And it's funny because...

And that doesn't happen a lot in L.A.? It does. It happens everywhere. But like, as it's happened more and more, I mean, I kind of think it's weird because although you have, however, like the million or whatever on Instagram, like... Oh, whatever, the million followers or whatever. No, but it's just, that's just a number. It's almost like a computer game.

Yeah. It's not really... I don't know those people. True. So when people actually come up to you, and they're like, oh, I love your work. I really am. But isn't that fun?

How do you know me? Yeah. And they're like, I love your page. And I'm like, oh, God, people like, people really do invest in that. Whereas, and you're telling a story. So I guess I just, I find it funny when, you know, that happens because you forget that it's like. Real life. It is kind of like a game.

When I first did Joe's hair, the very first time I did a hair. Well, let's go back for a second. Oh, okay. You moved from the UK when to, like, did you know, like, because you said you knew you want to do hair it made people like feel more confident all that stuff which is amazing uh did you know then about like being a celebrity hair stylist and did you know hollywood was the place for that or did that kind of like role i don't think he had any ambition to be a celebrity hairdresser i don't know if that was like being a celebrity was not the the thing that motivated me i wanted to

like do hollywood hair like i used to try and make my mom like a hollywood star so like I wanted to work with creative people I guess people that were like was going to create a look and like have a whole vibe right to build like I remember I was really motivated and inspired by it sounds like cheesy but like Madonna when she you know back in the day and when she did like an album when albums were around and it was like that was a vibe

and she you know when she did music and it was a cowboy theme and all of a sudden everyone was wearing cowboy boots it became like a trend and she really I love the whole kind of persona she created it's true because And she did frozen, she'd had a hair black. And then, you know, some people loved it. And some people didn't. I just kind of loved the whole.

It was intrigued by it. That makes sense. I feel like people don't get it. Like, for regular people, like, the only hair styling hairdressers can do really is, like, for events, we're like weddings. And that's boring. But celebrities go to like the Oscars, the Golden Globes. They are being filmed. You have a lot more to work with.

Even like. You have a little eyebrow hair here. Is it bothering you? No. Other side. I can't see it. It's fine. even the spice girls like you know that was like a big influence to me as well now if you took

the spice girl's hair away from them i'm definitely sure that people wouldn't have been as interested because what the spice girls did is they offered some like they offered something for everyone like they were like i'm ginger or i'm scary spice i'm sporty i'm posh and you know the hairs were so iconic posh had this sleek blunt bob scary spice had the big crazy like big curly texture Yeah, you know, ginger had ginger hair with the spot, you know, it was so striking. Sporty had the ponytail, which was snatched, and baby had the buns with the blonde. It was all, it was so like, it was so good. You know, who were you?

I don't know, who were you? I don't know, who were you, if you were going to be a spice girl? I didn't know, baby. Your baby spice. Who else would I be? Really? I thought you might be a Jerry. Really?

Yeah. I love the backstreet boys. I wasn't as big of a spice girls. Yeah, but you know, everyone, I guess, you know, NSYNC and, yeah, everyone, I don't know. I don't know. I just feel like for me. in terms of like why I wanted to do what I wanted to do is because I was always intrigued on what made someone that's so true about the spice girls yeah like thinking about it that way about the hair

ginger baby spice that's how you saw it because you were your vision was like hair yeah and you were always waiting to see like if someone just literally did the same thing all the time like it's like if a celebrity went you know when Victoria Beckham got a hair short she had that barb and everyone all of us and had this bar and you know there's certain things that certain people do and it becomes this trend yeah you know Remember when Rihanna had the shave sides? Yes. Everyone must shave. Whoever would have thought people would be shaving their side.

All of a sudden, everyone's shaving the hair. And if they did it now, it'd be dumb, right? Well, I think they'll just think it's like done. It's over. I'll tell you why, because everyone then had to grow it out and they realized someone's going to be in the house that was. Wait, that's over. Another trend that's over is the pink hair.

Isn't it over? I don't know if pink I'll have a lot of fashion. There's something proven about pink in the science of colors that it's like a, um, it's just a go-to. If you have bottles of shampoo, so if you are going to buy, a bottle of shampoo and there's all different colors like blues greens pepals but like the pink is something that people pick up I don't know there's something like aesthetically about it that people tend to go to I remember when I used to sell like

shampoo in a salon you know and I remember when this pink range came out and the the bottles were pink and I don't know it just sold really well I think you're saying people get pink hair because something about it like I think probably one of the if you're going to do like a fun color like blue is a little bit harder to wear with the fun colors like Are you into fun color hair? Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel like there's something about pink, which it tends to go a bit easier sometimes.

I mean, it depends on your skin tone. But maybe with clothes, it doesn't clash as much. Blue is quite a statement. Right. Maybe Billy Eilish could do it, but like other people a little bit less. Yeah, I mean, I think you can make anything work, honestly. You think anybody can make anything work? Yeah.

I think, you know, you have to work at it. I mean, if you're not naturally, you know, suited to being a blonde, But if you really want to do it And you want to, you know Change the makeup color you wear And, you know, alter the clothes And, you know, people even wear contacts and stuff I mean, you can go as far as you want

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Is that not true? You disagree. So question, like for me, this is my natural hair color. Yeah. Would you go blunder? No, it's cute. It's nice because you've got like that. I mean, you're really also like a bit ahead of yourself because you've got a really nice colored hair. Like you've got, it doesn't look like it's one solid color. It looks multi-dimensional. It looks like you got highlights in it. You're like that kind of natural dark blonde. Would you know that it's natural? You know, you know that it's natural. Yeah, but I can imagine if you go in the sun, it gets quite blonde. Right. And like, you're very lucky. You've got blue eyes. So yeah, of course, like, you know, getting that kind of color. I mean, you could enhance it. But I don't know. It's like, you're like, you know, it's like. For example, when... Have you seen people that dye their hairs are in color

and it's like, oh my God, this is what you were actually like born for. I think you just go through vibes. Yeah, true. It's like with my hair when it's white, like, it was definitely like a thing. It's a thing for you, I feel like. Yeah, I always feel like a slave to it honestly. Because if you change it, maybe you won't get walked up to on the beach in Australia.

No, it's because it becomes like, it becomes like just part of the brand. That's how people recognize you. That's how kind of how like, Because it's a 90s kind of vibe, right? Well, at the minute, because it's grown out, it is. It's like I've got frosted tips. But everyone's like, I like the dark roots. I like the dark roots.

So I think, yeah, like naturally, obviously your natural hair color works. But I think we don't always go with what's natural. You know, you might have natural brown hair, but you might like put makeup on that's a lot darker than that. Or you may put makeup on that's a lot lighter. Yeah. You may not wear the colored clothes that actually suit your natural color. You may be more attracted towards lighter,

a sorbet color. So sometimes the blonde then just, I don't know. I don't think it's always true. It's not always true. You know what I love? I love girls. Jaylo's color is not naturally, you know, that gorgeous, like blonde pops and brown. You know, obviously, a natural hair would be just a little bit more.

A dark brown? Yeah, just more natural. Yeah, exactly. But like, you know, everyone always talks about Jaylo's color and how, you know, because it just works with her. You do her color too? I don't know. Does her styling? Wait, so let's get to that.

So the Hollywood and getting to celebs. Like that happened somehow. How did that happen? How does anything happen in life? Like, I feel like everyone thinks that I'm just going to say, oh, I just, like, you know, I tripped over and I woke up and I fell into Hollywood. No, you could say that you assisted someone who did celebrities or you. It's years and years of hard work. I started doing this when I was 13 in a salon.

You know, I was, I'm still so hungry to want to learn more. I'm really hard on myself. Like, I'm my worst critique. I never think anything is good enough. I always want it to be better. I'll always analyze what could have been different. What could have been better? Of course.

I believe that's kind of my job to make things better. Like, if people looking at me to be inspired, then I need to like, I want to give that. I don't want to be lazy. I love what I do. That's why I do it. There's so many aspects, I think, to be successful in your field. Everyone's got a different story. Mine was this.

I believe what made me successful or what makes me successful today, if you can call it success. I mean, I generally just still think I do hair and I enjoy what I do and I'm having fun. So I think if you look at it as like on book of what that means, I would say when I did my mom's hair at the age of 13 or 9 when I started like I did a hair because yes, I liked doing hair and I liked making it look good. But I love the way I could make her feel. I love the way that I can make her shoulders go back and make her smile and lift her from whatever was going on in her life. I still have that. So still when I work with whoever it is, I want them to look great, of course. And I want it to look amazing. And I want it to look amazing. and I want to look well executed and well done. But I also want them to feel great about it. Because that's when it shows in their face. That's when they stand differently. That's when they feel good about themselves.

That's when they can walk on a red carpet in front of the whole of the world. You know what I mean? Whereas I could do something to your hair now. I could cut your hair short. We could have 100 people in this room. I go, oh, my God, I love your hair. Love your hair short. You look so good.

If you don't like short hair and you do not feel good with short hair, it doesn't matter if everyone in this room says that, you're going to knock. If we said, can we take a picture? you're going to like hold yourself differently you're not going to be comfortable and that shows in your face if I cut your hair and you've loved it

and you're like oh my God I look amazing like low key I'm hot like we've all had that you're like wow I'm kind of cute I think everyone's looking at me and I'm like gonna take a picture it's like hell yeah yeah sure like you like that you know

oh let me see oh cute let me give you this it's like a different person and I guess I think what I do is almost like you give like this it's like more than just doing hair it's like an emotional kind of like conv I don't know it's just that's amazing I got my hair done for my wedding and I fucking hated it exactly everyone do you know what every woman hates their hair for the wedding really that's what I would go back and change should I tell you why why

what women do for the wedding is they have a hairstyle that they wear at most like time and it's like their vibe maybe down and waving but all of a sudden they go to get married and they have way too much makeup on more than they ever would and also they have a hairstyle that's like plastered slicked because I think they think they need to be a thing because they're getting married

and I think some of that as well is like getting some I think if you're like a celebrity you've done a lot of looks you get to know what works and what doesn't work right you're like you know what that looks good on me

that doesn't as well whereas when you're regular that's like you're one time to do it sometimes it's a bit like I wanted to wear a fucking headpiece and thank God last moment last minute I had this like giant headpiece and I was like I'm going to look back at this

and be like, that wasn't timeless. Like, that's a trend that I'll be, like, ashamed of. But, yeah, no. A trend that you'll be shamed off. Yeah, because it's a trend. It ends. You want it to be, like, forever. Don't cry.

So when you get married. I got married. Chris, wake up. I'm awake. I'm listening. I'm looking at these new pictures. Oh, let's talk about this. Chris walked in today.

He had a picture of Kim Kardashian who you do her hair regularly. Yeah. Yeah. But she works with, like, does she, how does it work with celebrities? Do they have one? No, you know, come works with a lot of different people. I mean, obviously, I work a lot and I work with Jaila a lot. But yeah, she works with a lot of different people.

Yeah. I remember when you, when you posted a video or did she, when you had to cut her hair like in a parking lot with like Jim scissors or something? Yeah. How does that happen? She calls you. She's like, I'm going to eat and I need a trim. Yeah.

Yeah. Pretty much. I think her hair was, I think it was shorter and then we made it a little longer and then she had to We made it longer, yeah. And then I think she rang me, she was like, oh my God, it's too, like, I think it's like two inches too long. She was like, don't worry, I can cut it when I get back. And I was like, hell no, like, don't cut it yourself. Like, I'll do it.

And she's like, well, I'm in Hollywood. And I was like, well, I'm at the gym. And I was like, where are in Hollywood are you? And she was like, so, so I'm literally like two streets away from you. Do you know what? I'll just, I'll do it. Like, because I thought at least if I do it, it's going to be better than you do it. I don't know.

I was worried that she was going to cut it and it wasn't going to be right. That's so sweet of you. So I was like, okay, I'm at the gym. I was like, I haven't got my scissors. She's like, I have to go back. I don't have a lot of time. So I was like, okay, let me think what I'm going to go on night.

I said, excuse you, you got any scissors on the gym? They said, yeah, what did you know for? I said, I just got a borrow them. I'm going to bring them back. They could sell that shit on eBay, like cut Kim Kardashian's hair. I know. Off I went, I said, where are you? We met by Hollywood Boulevard.

And I was cutting her hair. And she's like, oh my God, I have to go on this. It's hilarious. You love Kim. No one would believe it. I've heard you love Kim like she's your main bitch. Oh, no, I love Kim. I love all my clients.

But, like, you know, I think Kim is such an amazing person. She's really, she inspires me. She's a muse. She motivates me. She's, yeah, my hair muse, for sure. Really? Yeah. Because she changes it so much, too.

Yeah, and we create different looks. And I think we've created some amazing looks over the time. But I'm also just like, I remember you did them met, right? Uh-huh. I remember you also, like, in the van with her, like, running, that, that shit is intense. Yeah, it is, yeah, for sure. But it's like, I don't know, it's why we do what we do.

Like, I don't know. There's obviously an attraction to the buzz of it all. Like the glam in that world. You know, sometimes it's kind of crazy. Not everyone can do it. And everyone can cope with the pressure. Yeah. It's really weird.

I have this thing, like, even if I go on TV, like, sometimes they'll all, like, the guys they were like oh my god like he's so like the suitcase got stolen they've got no care we've ran out of time like he's running around like he's they were literally putting my clothes on as I'm running to the stage and they're like oh my god like is he going to remember and you've got to say this you've got to say that and you've got to be fast fast fast because it's live TV and something happens when I just get out there and it just comes out and they're like how the hell did you do that I did a TV show this morning and they were like how the hell did you you're already asleep on the sofa saying how ties you were that you I don't know there's

something in me that just click I don't know what they're for that world. Yeah, I just love it. I love the buzz of it all. I don't know. That is fun. I just... Who was your first celeb?

Rita. Really? Yeah. So when you were still living in the UK? Yeah. Cool. Do you still do her now? No.

And Ariana Grande is a client too. Yeah. Did you come up with the signature ponytail? No, Ariana already had a ponytail. I did the hoops. You know, the hair hoops, the hoops, the hoops in the front bit, in the braid. And I think we made the ponytail. like longer.

It was kind of when I was doing all that long, you know, the glass hair. Yeah. So the ponytail just got like a lot longer. What's her real hair length? I don't know. You have to ask her. So a lot of wigs go on and like the hairstyling in Hollywood, right?

Right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, wigs are used like everywhere for different things. And I think it is helpful for, um, with the trend of like change constantly. Yeah.

You know, it's difficult to change. You know, your own head of hair to go blonde and dark and for a music video it needs to be pink and you know what I mean it has to be dark again if you did that to your own hair obviously you don't have none left

I think that wigs are fun they're great they're great fun to be a person for a shoot or you know a vibe and then but you have to like know what you're doing with a wig like it has to be styled by Chris Appleton I feel like for it to look good like if not it'd probably look dumb that doesn't have to be smart by me but

I think that you're like yeah I learn to do wigs by working with cancer patients. So we used to, when I worked in the salon, we had a room that I used to kind of like a private room because, you know, a few of my clients had got cancer and they'd come in and they had these bad wigs from the NHS, which is our health care system in the UK. And they were just very standard wigs, you know, very kind of boxy. And I'd spend a lot of time trying to like just bring them back to life and make them feel good about themselves, you know, Making the wig not so thick, making it look more natural, adding different colors to it, softening them a hairline, and just making it look more real. And I think that was kind of like where I had the basis of the wig. How to make a wig look good or how to, the challenge of making a wig that didn't look anything like their own hair, look like their own hair. You know what I mean. It just kind of made me look at the different thing. Right. Because that's what I always, like I put on my Instagram all the time with like him and the Kardashians and other celebs. Like you don't know if it's a wig or not. Like ever. So that's really good work. But anyway, Chris came.

he was putting up a photo of Kim with like a blonde blonde wig and you're giving away like two like wig free to I'm not doing that now cut in pose I changed my caption but what I wanted to say was Chris was putting up a photo of Kim do you have to ask her when you put up a photo of her no no she's D with whatever she doesn't care not if the pictures are out oh if it took a personal picture I'd be like oh do you like this okay yeah I'd check work just because if someone one took a picture if you took a picture of me and like and i came out sad for instance i'd kill you and if you were like hey do you like this shot like yeah but i think it's just courteous i'd do it with anyone yeah true you know i wouldn't just put up a bad picture or i don't know it's not nice

but i heard kim is like the nicest person ever from like everyone who knows her she's got a great heart she's very she's an amazing mother she's like a really um hard worker she's very strong-minded like i don't know even with her doing all this law stuff at the minute so inspiring and I see her in the books and doing it and I'm like, wow, you really have to do this. You're like, why, but no, amazing. She's doing amazing work. To go from with her lifestyle the way it is

and to do this law degree. I'm like, wow, you know. People think that like the shortcuts, but there's not. You know, life is life. And if you want to do something, you have to work at it. You know, there's a little bit of like luck and a little bit of other stuff. Like I get what you're saying.

You have to work hard to succeed in anything and in hair and in whatever you do. But I'm sure it comes with like a little bit of luck. like you said, like you also look good, you're also British. Like, there are things that give you, like, a competitive advantage, you know what I mean? And that you're good at what you do. I think no bad luck.

And that you look like Justin Hartley. That's it. Do you guys see it? There is Justin Hartley. You know who is? No one's ever said that. The guy from... This is us.

Yeah. Oh, that's cute. He's hot. I'll take it. I think that... I'll take it. I don't know, really. I don't know if I believe...

I don't think I'm that hot. I don't think I'm, like, that brink. And I don't think I'm that, like, great at what I do. I think I try and do good hair. I like to look after myself. And I do genuinely love what I do. I feel very passionate and I believe in it. I try and keep that frame of mind rather than I look great.

I work with these people. I don't believe in that shit. Like, that's bullocks. Like, I think as soon as you start getting into that, do you just, there's too much of that. Like, we already have that illusion with Instagram. And I think, you know, probably from my page, people look at my Instagram and they think, oh, perfect women, that guy's got an amazing body.

Look at him, like, all looking great with these professional pictures. Do women slide into your DMs? Oh, yeah. Do men, like, do you get slide in slithering messages that are like? Yeah, which is cute. You know, everyone loves to say everyone, you know, but the thing is, it's like. No one slides into my DMs in a sexual way, by the way. It's really offensive.

People are like, oh, about these celebrities, but no one's like, hey, what's up? And I'm like, what's going on? Thank you. I'll DM you. I just feel that, like, we portray an image on social media, but we don't necessarily post, like, oh, I've got a really fucking bad headache today. Or I've got a pimple. Yeah.

I mean, like, sometimes we share and then, you know, there's also like, I see my Instagram as more of like a portfolio of the best stuff. And then I see stuff like YouTube as a way of, like, expressing yourself more in your life. And like that's something I might get into this year doing like a portfolio. a YouTube channel. Like tutorials? Maybe, no, more just to show like what goes on behind the scenes. Like, what does it look like when I'm doing Jellos half a Super Bowl?

Or what does it look? You have to do that, like, well then, you know? You have to like... Do you think I do it poorly? No, not at all. But I feel like whenever I have those creative thoughts, too, it's like... It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

If you want it to look good, it's like you'd have to hire someone to do it and direct it and edit it and whatever. And it becomes like a whole other thing. But I do think, like, I try and listen to, like, people that comment on my page and I feel like they sometimes do want to see more. They want to see more of an insight. And I think in the world that we live in now, it's good to give that and not just keep.

I've never been one to like keep it to myself. And that's why I do my masterclasses. And when I do my masterclasses, I really do share everything. And people are like, are you not nervous that people are going to then have your ideas? And I'm like, no, because everyone has their own interpretation. And quite honestly, if I'm just going to stick with these ideas,

you know, in a few years time, they're going to be old. So it keeps me to keep, like, motivated to learn new stuff and share. I learn so much when I do them. So you're not possessive of your profession? No. You're not like, I don't want anybody else coming on doing hair and... No, I love inspiring people. I love hearing that they, like, feel motivated by that.

I also feel there's a responsibility in a way if hairdressers do look up to you and they do follow you and they do think you're great. Like, I think that, like, you have a responsibility to get back to them and share, like, how you create that look. I'm like, okay, or even regular women, like, okay, so you don't look like J-Lo, but you want look like J-Lo, well, this is how you get that hair. Like, this is how you do it. Do you have an assistant? Yeah.

And does, so the assistant is probably hoping to one day be like you, or maybe if you get too busy, you'd give them clients. Like, I'm assuming that's how it kind of also works. Yeah. And like, you know, like, that has happened. Yeah. And does happen. Some go on to do that.

But some, it's like, they don't want to do that. Some just want to be assistants. They don't want to do. Or something they do. And then they kind of think, oh, this is a lot. You know what I mean? It's just like. for everyone.

And yeah, I mean, I guess going back to, I can know, when you said earlier, like, maybe you're lucky to have found out, like, you wanted to do what you do so you're like, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah. You know, because I did have that time to work on my craft because it takes time to be good at anything. He was nine, ladies and gentlemen. He was nine.

I was 21 and I thought, I didn't, I'm still confused. I'm confused. I think I'm more confused now than I was then. Really? No, the world's just got bigger and there's a lot more demands. You know, even I'm going to post a picture. Like, I've got literally six different people telling me what I shouldn't, shouldn't be posting. People are like, post more topless pictures.

People like, don't post any more topless pictures. People like post more clients. People like, don't post more clients post more of yourself. But I'm like, everyone's got an opinion. You know what I mean? Like the more things you do, I guess, just, you know, I have a business manager. I have an agent. People have an opinion on that.

Oh, we want you to go in this direction or that direction. But you just have to stay true to what you feel. Yeah. And I'm happy to listen to people. People, I don't have any bad people in my life. They're all great people giving me good advice. for whatever reason, for business, you know. But then you have to do what you feel is right.

But when you started, like, there wasn't, like, social media like there is today. I remember when someone said download Instagram and I was like, what's Instagram? And they were like, oh, you put these pictures up. And I'm like, okay. And I remember, oh, I put a picture up and get like two likes. And now I'm like, it's funny, I was scrolling through Instagram and way back down in the depths of that. I was like, oh, I've not been down here for a while. Oh, my God.

I was like, who this? You guys, go down. They're sold stuff in there. I feel like cameras have just got so much better. They were all like blarry pictures and really filtered. Remember when there were borders and like weird shit? But everything became like, oh, you don't border and you don't cut the edges off. And like hashtag selfie, hashtag today, me.

Yeah. Love, beautiful. I keep thinking maybe I should do TikTok, but I'm not quite sure what I do on it. Chris don't. Unless it's like a hair tutorial. I can't handle adults on TikTok. You can't? I think it's for like kids.

I'm 23 years old. I think I'm not. 23. Why? No, I found out. He told me his age. No, I'm not. Okay, Shane, I'd say it.

You look amazing. I think you already said it. I didn't. 36? I said it. I'd dare you. 36? No, 36.

I had 36. You look amazing. Amy, who works with us and sitting across the table. And she's saying, young, young. But Amy... He's old. He's old. No, you're not.

Amy, you look amazing. But no, going back to what I'm saying about, I wasn't talking negatively when I said people are giving an opinion. It's just, I ask for people's opinions as well. We're dying for you to say something negative. You didn't say anything negative about anything. Is there like a celebrity that was it?

No, don't say a name. I'm not going to. He just said no. Don't say a name. Okay. A diva story. Can you give us a hair diva story about like someone in the celebrity world? I'm just kidding.

No, not really. I've not really had any bad experiences But I do think that I have Got lucky Oh my God, why do you keep saying look It's nothing to do with look No hard work, hard work Oh my God, sorry

No, I mean that you didn't have any bad people I think I've had the experience To be able to manage situations I think I've been able to say this if I have fucked up Or something has gone wrong I know what to do or who to call to fix something So no one made you cry ever No

Probably cried one up I have cried before But you know I'm also like hard on myself So I was like, oh, that wasn't good enough. It should have been better. You take it on yourself. Or it would be frustration. You know what I thought was funny?

I saw you on the Wendy Williams show yesterday. Oh, did you like it? I did like it. And I love that she, because you did. Oh, I know exactly what you're going to say. Okay, whatever. You're going to talk about the dress. No.

I was going to talk about her talking about the dress. So you did J-Lo's hair for the, for the Golden Globes, which was beautiful. Thank you. But people didn't really like her dress. Yeah, there was mixed opinions. People didn't like it. Oh, that's good. she looks amazing in everything

I think she's a goddess I think every other award show after that she looked great I think the after party she looked great but I think the dress was kind of dumb and you did her hair which was beautiful but I thought it was funny that Wendy was trying to get you to say that her dress was in

what did I say? You were so politically correct yeah you were like no mixed opinions and she made this face she was like I think she did what you just said but look at the end of the day in my honest thing It was cature, cature is not for everyone.

I think Jaila always looks amazing. Does she ask you? Like, is she like, what do you think of the dress? Who knows what she likes? You know, obviously we're all human. We'll say, you know. Who tells the truth to Jaila if she would ask me like anything? I would.

Yeah, absolutely. I would say like, sometimes even with hair, like I'll be doing a hairstyle. Like, I remember we were doing a hairstyle the over week and I was like. I love the lob that you did for her. Okay. Do you remember that? Of course. It was recent.

It was cute. I know. I love that. Sorry, the story. No, it was cute. There was not any particular story, but like, I was going to do this like glamour look like in put like it was like a lot of hair and a lot of and there was just no time and I was like you know what I was like getting into it and put

his hair in but it was all crazy and we were in a rush and everything was going on I just was like we don't have time I don't have time to make this like let's just let's do this look let's go to this and it was the right decision because I was just like if I'm going to do something it's got you need time you know you need a minute to get it right or whatever like you don't always just get things perfect in one shot so I'll be honest enough to say this isn't working rather than just sit there quietly and try and get it done and vote for the best. Do you know what? This is not going to work.

If it's not going to be great, let's not do it. She's J-Lo. She can't be walking out with like, and nor would I want to give her that. I'd want to give her the best experience possible. So I know I think we have a really honest relationship, very respectful. And sometimes I'll show a pictures and she'll be like, hmm, I'm not feeling that. Like, that's not the vibe to the thing. I'd be like, is she like a sexy?

Is she like a musician? Is she actress? Is she awards? Is she pop stuff? I mean it's kind of like different vibe right so sometimes I'm not sure if that's kind of like the you know who she is or even like with her recent guest campaign like the hair was like really big and like like like power bombshell hair like extra big and that's a vibe you know what I mean it's like who is she what's the vibe what do they want you know what does the company want and that's

obviously very guest guests tend to have you know big hair very you know pin up you did Chloe's hair right for their campaign for the perfume yeah when she had the brown hair and big everyone loved that. Yeah, they looked it. Because it felt like it was made for her that big brown hair. Yeah, I think it was great with big hair. She does look great with big hair.

It's really funny. A lot of people really spoke about, like, the brown hair. I'm telling you, I remember her. But it wasn't actually that dark. It was brown, but it wasn't like black brown. Right, right. It was light brown. People seem to like brown.

They like Kim's brown as well. When we do the light brown on Kim, they always seem to like it. Do you still do, like, color, as well? Yeah. Everything. All the day. Literally did a tutorial yesterday for Refrono 29,

uh, taking someone from blonde to dark. Yeah, I still do color. I mean, it's a bigger process, but obviously, as you know, I took Kim blonde. I took Ariana blonde. Oh, you took Kim for real blonde? Yeah. Oh, wow.

That was a big thing. And she wants to go back all the time. She always puts up, like, how she's thinking of going back. Yeah, but I think. When she asks you, what do you say? What do you mean? Like when, because she puts up even on her stories and stuff, she's like, I want to go back to blonde.

What do you guys think? she talks about the blonde a lot. Yeah. I love a blonde. I love a blonde Kim Kay. But also I love a brunette Kim Kay. There's just two different Kim Kayes. I also like, don't forget, like, I feel like change is great.

So I'm always like, what should we do next? What should we do next? Are you scared to take that risk? Like, don't be mad at me. Don't be mad at me after if you don't like it. No. I'm never scared. That's good.

I feel like you have so much confidence now, like, at this point in the game, probably. Not really. I think I've just become more comfortable in knowing. Because, you know, for example, it's all very different. Like, if you do hair on TV, it's very different to hair in real life. If you do hair for a photo shoot, it's very different to hair for an editorial. Editorial hair, like fashion hair for a magazine cover, I might get a piece of hair. Just one, just like a couple of strands of hair and lay it across your eye.

And it's like, you know, just, oh, a beautiful moment. And it looks so romantic and helpless on a cover of a magazine. Right. If I did that to you in real life, you were like, like, blowing it. Like, what the, you know, red carpet. hair. HD cameras were not made for hair or makeup because no one wants to see all that. Like HD cameras, you can see every pore. You can see every strand of hair. Like, it's a lot. You know, especially on a red carpet because I think it was made for sports. I think it was made

for like grass or something, not for like hair and beauty. So for me, I'm like, you have to know what you do in. Wow. Like so for like red carpet, I would like be like, you know, I'm not going to go for anything that's like wild or overly frizzy. But then red carpet is probably one of the more difficult ones because you also never know what you're going to get on a photo shoot you'll take a picture you get a vibe you're like oh we need to change the lighting or we need to like we need to make the head bigger or we need to take the makeup down you get you know because everything comes together with a red carpet you don't get to do a test yeah and sometimes the lighting's really bright and you don't know the lighting sometimes the dark lighting's not so good

sometimes it's daylight sometimes it's gone cloudy and honestly you everyone knows that takes a selfie lighting makes the difference to everything sometimes you know your hair can look like really textures are beautiful and other times you think oh it looks like a blob like you can't see any definition and lighting really changes that so sometimes that that's probably the hardest and then everyday hair is different you have a different feeling to how you want to feel you know sometimes you want to just feel more loose and relaxed and you don't want to structure it up to you know what I mean you just feel more chill so there's many different types of hair and each one requires a different vision and like every day see how we feel see what the vibe is like go with it last thing I heard

you're doing, well, we know that J-Lo's performing at the Super Bowl. You do, you heard. I heard, like a little bird. There's a lot of talk about this Super Bowl in J-Lo's hair. I'm starting to feel a lot of pressure. Oh, no. We're talking about it on TV this morning. What did they say?

We, hey, you're going to be doing J-Lo's hair for the Super Bowl. What's it going to be? I think everyone's expecting a lot of hair. Is there going to be a lot of hair? If I'm anything to do with it. I mean, I texted him over there and I said, oh, my God, what are we going to do for the Super Bowl? Because it's like the next thing, you know, like, and she's like, I know, we're kind of having a chat. I mean, I love a lot of hair.

Jaylo's performances are insane. If anyone's ever seen Jailo perform live, I have never seen anything other than 110%. She has never gone out. She's like, oh, don't worry, baby. I'm not going to go crazy tonight. Like, it's an acoustic. And I'm like, genuine, like, shaking that hair around.

She really gives it her all because she's an artist. And you have to think about that too, like that it doesn't fly out. That's not me saying, don't worry. I'm not going to like, I'm not going to do your hair too great today. I'm just going to do it. I just can't help myself. Do you know what you're just like, when you're an artist, think you, you know, if you love what you do.

You're a perfectionist, it sounds like, too. You know what my pet hate thing is if I'm wearing something or if I've like had my head on or if I'm like asking about what pictures should I post or what do you think to this? If the thing that makes me self-set more than anything is when people go, it's okay. It's fine. It's fine. I'm like, it's fine.

Well, I might as well just not bother. I didn't be I wasn't I'm not here to be fine I'm not like fine is like dirty dishwashers Oh my God Fine is like It will do Who wants to do Oh my God

It's like imagine if you got dressed up You had all your hair done You felt great And if you said to someone What do you think and said it's fine Oh no you know what it pisses me off more than fine Cute Oh cute

A lot of people don't mind cute You don't mind it I feel like cute is you're fine I feel like it's your fine cute i look gorgeous what the fuck i look hot i'd rather you say take it up if someone says oh fine i'm like okay i'll get changed i'll take it down because you might as well just say i hate it so super bowl you're excited how does that work usually like you collab on thoughts together like what do you think and you have to know what she's wearing it has to go with like her outfit for the super bowl obviously

yeah it's always a vibe it's always like i think with anything we do it doesn't matter if it's the Super Bowl or if it's a red carpet or if she's just going to you know for a do-and-go and she's doing something that's you know more low-key it's always like okay what's the vibe what are you wearing when who do what story I would tell him telling the story when you're doing hair and makeup and I think it's non-different for things like Super Bowl or whatever you know and also you think about what is she doing like she's performing so people like to see the hair move right fans there's no point in doing a bun if she's performing people like to see you know especially someone that's a real mover yeah like i love it when you know people know how to

move the hair around it kind of adds to the drama of it right is there any celebrity that you haven't worked with yet that's like a dream to do their hair um i feel like no i think what will be will be you know i love working with the people i work with and you know i like working with i like working with a variety of people so you know whatever comes up comes up but i'm not like I didn't feel hard done by I felt like I've been very lucky to work with the people I'm very grateful for the people I work with But do you have like is there anyone's hair

Like let's say like Blake lively has amazing hair Do you ever look at hair and you're like I want to do that hair It's probably like Zindaya I love her hair I think she always has a cool look I'm always intrigued how she turns it out With a different vibe I love that I think oh I could work with that

That's cool like that it's always like a different thing And it kind of tells a story You never quite know what you know Would you ever reach out or do they usually come to you? I think everything comes to you through if it's meant to be you know what I mean All right Chris

Thank you We're staring deep into each other's eyes Thank you Thank you so much for coming I hope you guys have got to know a little bit But yeah I think it's really interesting To learn more about you

And also more about like The world of hairstyling And how it's become so much more than What it was What it was And with social media too Like million followers Yeah

And growing Let's make it two million Everyone follow me, Chris Appleton. One, Chris Appleton. Let's play this computer game. Is there anything? Is there anything else you wanted, you wanted to share something with the followers, no? I just think, you know what, go for gold with your hair, use your hair as an accessory, try new things. You only live once.

It's good to express yourself throughout hair. And make sure you look after your hair. You only have one head of hair. So I'm a firm believer in using good products on your hair to make sure you look after it. I'm a big, I'm a big, I guess a promoter of, you know, using the right stuff in your hair to maintain it. Because you only have one head of hair. Yeah. You know, once it's gone, it's gone.

And with the amount of heat and color and stuff we put our hair through these days, you know, I would say. What do you use? I love using, my favorite is probably my go-to is the color while color security shampoo because it doesn't contain any sulfates. It doesn't contain any other ingredients. It doesn't clog the, the biggest thing. I've noticed, a lot of women notice they have more hair loss these days. So people find their hair's gone all the thinner. But he just checked to see if I have hair loss.

No, but just like I say, oh, my hair's not as thick as it used to be. And I think sometimes there's so much stuff in shampoos, like thickening and volumizing and conditioning and softening. And like, that stuff sits on the scalp as well. And it kind of blocks the follicle over the hair so it doesn't go through. So I think going back to something that's more pure, you know, and leaves the hair and scalp in great condition is really important. That's a good base. So color, wow. Yeah.

color security that's my go-to color wise your go-to and how many times a week shall we wash our hair I want to know

I mean honestly it's up to you some people's up to you some people's like some people like the hair dirty and it kind of performs better

yeah I can't not wash my hair every day it gets oily I shouldn't I don't know I just can't not get my head wet

in the shower but men are different because you I've already washed my hair this morning but then I had all this makeup on the TV you're gonna watch it

again no and then I went to the gym and I'm better not wash my hair I've not got time and I was like oh god i'm just gonna wet it i hate it and when i wet it i'm like it's a man thing women are much better at showering and not getting her heads wet and

being fine with it but probably when my hair was longer i'd be like oh no i'm not because i'm gonna have to blow dry it and do it so when you have to think about that extra 15 20 like that's enough to probably put you off gotcha but for me i'm like well air dry up or so well being men is easier chris so not always not always not if you see my beauty in there You're in my regime. Chris, thank you so much. Thank you so much to have a way. I love you.

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