Not Skinny But Not Fat - WHITNEY CUMMINGS: FROM STAND-UP TO REAL-TALK

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

In this episode, I sit down with Whitney Cummings! We discuss the wild world of comedy, Hollywood, and everything in between. We dive deep into Whitney’s journey in stand-up, the challenges of being in the spotlight, and her take on cancel culture. Whitney also opens up about mental health and her transformative experience becoming a mom!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Tuesday. Just feel like it's crazy times. I don't know why. I just feel like it's crazy times. I feel like February is here, but I feel like March is going to come in a minute. You know, March is going to come in a minute. We're going to be in summer. I'm not summer ready. I know you can't say that. I mean, listen, for my postpartum mama's out there, you have my permission to feel those feelings and not say, like, I can't say I'm not summer ready. Like, don't put pressure on yourself, but you're allowed. to feel some type of way that your body changed

and not every second. Just, you know, thank the gods for giving you a baby. Like, thank the gods for giving you a baby and, you know, all the good stuff. But you can still be like, damn, my body changed. I was so hot right before I got pregnant. And now I don't feel so hot. You have my per mish.

You know, and obviously I do love that when I complain about it, like my friends or my sisters or whatever. Like Amanda, you look great. You just had a baby. And I'm like, it's been. eight months, but thanks. And it is hard. So normalize, normalize being able to feel some type of way about it. And listen, that second baby, like, I'm telling you guys, Noah did not do this number on me. It's wild how, you know, what they say is so true. Every pregnancy is different. Every, you know,

every post-pregnancy is different. I want, if I had a third, what would happen? What would happen? funny we're talking about a third because I was just DMing with somebody, somebody you all know, but I won't. What did I do here? Oh, Vanish mode is soda. I don't know why I accidentally turned on. I wrote something so good to her because we were talking about having kids and how it's hard and she asked me if I was going to have another one. And anyway, I said, I said, like in my mind, I'm like, three is such a nice number and two feels a little incomplete or maybe a girl will come. But then I'm like, why make life harder? L.O.L. But then I'm like, it'll be nice when we're older. But then I'm like, it'll be nice when we're older. But then I'm like pregnancy son. But then I'm like, Lenny's so cute. But then I'm like, birth, like, shake and go down. I should be happy. I have two healthy kids. So it's a mind fuck. Best not to think about it.

L.O.L. So that's my vibe. That's my vibe. Anyway, regardless of that little anecdote, I feel like so much is happening in the Bravo world. Like, we just wrapped up Brony reunion. Everyone was like, Brina's going to leave because no one's like forgiving her. The end of the reunion, they wrapped that up pretty nicely.

It looked like everyone was willing to forgive. now I'm thinking, though, maybe after that Rolling Stone article where she kind of doubled down, maybe they'll feel differently. Madison LaCroix is pregnant. I'm so happy for her. I'm so into her from Southern Term and her husband. They seem so cute. I'm so happy for her in our clear blue partnership. I need to know how the clear blue deal goes down.

Like, so you get pregnant, you tell your PR, and then they're like, hold on, let's, you tell your team, I mean, we're 80. And then it's like, wait, let's tell Clear Blue if they'd want to do the announcement together. And then obviously, like, obviously what's in the picture is in the first piece stick. You know what I mean? I wonder if I actually used Clear Blue. I think I did because I used the stick that said, like, pregnant. It was really cool. Anyway, isn't it wild that in the same month that Alec Baldwin's and Hilaria's new show,

which I'm going to call the Baldwinitos is coming out, Hulu is coming out with, show about Helena, the woman that was killed on the set of Rust. It's going to be called Last Take, Rust, and the story of Helena. So, I mean, the timing is just, you know, and obviously they're going to talk about it as well on the show. They're going to have to talk about it. Another really cool piece of news is Addison Ray's joining the cast of the third season of Ryan Murphy's Monster, which is going to be centered on famous serial killer ed. gain, which I'm excited about. I'm excited to your acting again. And I'm also loving the monster

installments. Speaking of Ryan Murphy, the Kardashians are back. Season 6, it's on Hulu. It's so funny to me is when I post about the Kardashians, sometimes people are like, you're the only one watching, which I think I've said this to you guys before, but it just cracks me out. I'm like, okay, I'm the only one watching. I'm the only one following billions of fucking followers and fans. It's just me. Just me. And I, I love it. I mean, I'll always love watching them. Some highlights is that Kylie is just such a vibe. I mean, I don't know.

Her vibes are just viking. I'm like, is Timmy putting the pep in her step? They brought Lamar back from the first episode. That poor guy was sweating, like a so sweating. That poor thing. He's such a little, such a sad story. I was going to say a little sweetie. And he is.

I mean, he did some horrible shit, though. Poor Coco. And I feel like she just has all these shields and shields, like protecting her because of everything like dudes freaking put her through. And, you know, she's not dating. She just wants to be with her kids. And I'm sure it's like all this like relationship trauma. Anyway, moving on to today's episode. Super excited to have on this lady, this comedian.

She's hilarious. She says the wildest shit on Instagram, on TikTok on her in her comedy specials. She's always touring. so catch her on the road. Whitney Cummings, like, she is just hilarious and so jealous because she got to host this really cool show, Fast Friends, which is a fan competition series that celebrated the show, Friends, their 30th anniversary. By the way, I did some trivia for her. I was like, Whitney, did you do your, did you do your homework? Because, by the way, like, I think I'd be good at Friends trivia, but then they're like the real psychos that you're like, wait, you might.

actually be better at this than me. Anyway, Whitney is just, like you would imagine, she is wild. She is all over the place. She is just, I mean, I don't even know where our conversation went, but it was, it was a lot of fun and it was definitely, definitely very interesting. Her shoes were off. So if you see the video, I didn't tell her to take her feet off the table. I forgot. And then I was like, oh, should I have to, like, for her, you know, I don't know if she wants her feet, like, just out to the world. But I'm glad that she felt comfortable and took off her shoes because the heels were very high. So enjoy my fascinating convo with

Whitney Cummings. I've never been accused of being like not loud enough. So same though. If you want the comments to be nice, I'd put it a little lower. Do you, did you ever have like a dream of being quiet, mysterious

and like soft spoken? Are you good with being a loud lady? I can't tell if we're going. We're going. Which, by the way, did you see that? Which I love, which I love for my pod. Please. I can't tell we're going. There's like, that's the vibe. By the way, you told me yes and nothing changed, which is the best part that that Ariana Grande, she was like at an interview and she was like, yeah, that's what I think.

Anyway, so, and she just like went into her like, you know, did I ever have a dream of being like demure? Right. No. Oh, really? Why? I think about it all the time. I did love the movie Labyrinth. Love the movie Labyrinth still do.

And you see Jennifer Connolly's character. She's like doing something in the woods and like a dress and she's like really cute and like and then she's like a totally different person. I like, no. Sorry. I tried to sell myself on it and relate to you and I couldn't. No, no. I don't want, I think about it because I sometimes go into like a dinner with the intention of like today, you're in the corner. You're chilling. No one puts baby in the corner. You're not taking over. You're not telling stories. That's not your ancestral purpose. That's not why you were put here. And then that hasn't happened. I walk into a dinner party and I'm like, I want everyone to know that if there's a fire, I'm the one to follow. I want people to know like. So you were always good with being, like, the loudest in the room. I just think it's exhausting to resist your nature. Right. I think it's just exhausting. And, like, who benefits from that?

Right. Like, you're this magical, powerful, funny, hilarious person. I invited you to the dinner party to kill. Right. What? I didn't invite you to sit in the corner. That's not where you're here. Everyone else is bombing.

Can you step up, please? Right. But there are times where I definitely am like, I can't be an entertainer, but that's different. Right. Like, there's a difference. Well, with comedians especially, which, by the way, I don't feel with you, honestly, I wonder what the difference is. A lot of comedians that I've met, which isn't shocking, right? Like, they're not funny in real life.

Interesting. Like, you came in here, you were like, joke, joke off the bat. And then we'll start filming and I'm just bombing. No. Always. No, no. But you're the same, meaning with comedians, I'm like, I'm going to love so much today. And then you're like, oh, that's not that.

Okay, we're being serious, you know? And I get it. They're not on and they're not on. It's, there's that. And then I think the being on off thing, I think it's also a, what we do is sort of designed to be in front of an audience and to have that adrenaline and that connection with the audience. And doing it one on one is actually very shameful and embarrassing and feels try hard

and desperate, you know, whereas in front of a lot of people that paid to see us, it's like, I'm a clown. But if you and I are sitting here, like the pressure for you to laugh is so intense. It will feel like an emotional assault and I won't do that too. The idea of just like, joke, joke, joke. You'd be like, oh, no. Like it would be so uncomfortable.

Got for you. Don't you think? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I totally, that explanation totally makes sense. You know? It's not like they're all sad and depressed. No, we are. Okay.

But no, we definitely are. For sure. But I think it's also a matter of like, I'll just speak for myself as I feel like I'm still learning the art of podcasting. You really understand it. Deeply, I'm always very confused what, the listener of your, like, wants?

Do they want us being funny? Or are they, like, at work and just kind of want, like... Why do you think about that, though? Because I'm mentally ill. Okay. What is the... Well, I wanted to go back to that. Thank you.

But do you not think... I don't. That's probably why you're so good at it. You know what? No, that's not what I'm saying. It triggers me when a podcaster... And if you do this, then don't hate me. But like, and I've done it before.

I've succumbed to it. But if a podcaster is having a guest and they put up a question box and it's like, what do you want me to ask the guest? I hate that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, no. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's my job to come up with the question. Or like, or like this isn't like a group thing. You know, it's not about what you want me to ask. Or sometimes content creators would be like, what do you want to see for me?

You know? Do you want clothes? Just a talent, a skill. Like you to take it. You to handle it. You to take it from here. You know, you to earn the money that you are making off of us watching you instead of making us do your job by coming up with your questions and ideas. But they want that. They want to know. should I drive? So doesn't it feel a little bit? Maybe I'm, what's the word? Do you have since you have a kid, just you can't remember basic words? I can't function. Be basic. Yeah. I know. It's really. Sometimes people have to like remind me of words. It's tricky. It's tricky. Talking about it

because it's like, we're at a time as women. We're like, yes, women should be CEOs as long as they didn't just have a kid because we actually cannot remember basic, basic words or like what room I'm in in any given time. Wait, your kid just turned one. One years. One years old. One years old. Did you throw a huge party? No. Didn't. Family thing?

I just don't believe in like creating a stressful environment around a small child that doesn't know. It doesn't know. So to me, we just did horse ranch. I rescue horses. We're all going to hang out. All my friends, you know, that did and didn't have kids came. But like it was actually kind of magical because I wasn't trying to take care of them. Like I didn't talk to half the people that were there because you're just like trying to make sure babies are safe.

around boats, you know. So it was actually kind of an interesting thing because parties are a lot for, they just feel like a lot of pressure. And we just like hung out. Didn't really take too many pictures. It wasn't like, get in the vest and put on the hat. I'm not going to do. He doesn't want the crown. I got a crown off Etsy. I got a hat. I got a cowboy hat. No, you know what I mean? You didn't make him do it? No. You didn't get the photos. Are you a little bummed? You didn't get the I have chat GPT. My son and a cowboy hat. Make it. Make it. I'm done like, sorry. We're, we're going to I'm a fan of yours and I love it more that I think we probably have different approaches

to a lot of things. So this is, I am just speaking for myself. She's not necessarily on board. I look at these photos of people forcing their kids to sit on Santa's lap, to put a hat on. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, I agree. I don't think the kid's going to look back.

You know what Noah did? My older son, when he wanted the Spider-Man birthday, he wore a Batman to it. Like, that's, dude, that's kids. That is so punk rock. That is so sick. He will run the world. No, literally.

And we loser parents. We dressed up. Like, we did at our house, but like, we wore a spidey stuff. And then he is like, I want Batman. And I'm like, of course we want Batman. Yeah, because you dressed up as Spitey. Yeah. You took it.

Wait, you dressed up as Spider-Man on his Spider-Man birthday. He didn't want any of it. You're not allowed to wear the same thing as him on his birthday. He hated it. Do you wear white to weddings? He, I might have excellently once. Dude, I have. I definitely did.

I was like, what, it's Leiping. What? Also, I want to say something. As a bride wouldn't care. Swear I wouldn't care. By the way, she's not thinking about you. Like, she didn't even see. And if that's what she's thinking about, you know,

and if she's thinking that your white dress is going to upstage her gown. Yeah. He made her sign a pre-up and she's grumpy anyway. Like, I don't love it. Yeah, yeah. But I love that you're a mom now. Do you feel like it brought out a different side of you? Fixed everything.

Fix it. It does kind of fix it. said, by the way, I had gut issues before this last pregnant, so you'd knock on a motherfucking wood. Whoa. That's why I got pregnant. I was like, maybe it'll fix the gut issues. And it worked? Well, do you think the gut issues have to... Do you're scared like the gods

are going to flip what you said on you? No. Really? Uh-uh. You're not superstitious? Uh-uh. Mm-hmm. No. I'm like, they'll hear me. I don't think so. I am... Like, will you say Henry slept so well and not be scared to say it? No, because I think that when we say positive things like that are brain wires and we manifest the positive things.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that I believe in that too, which is funny. I'm a witch. I don't know if you heard. But yeah, I just think that like not saying the positive things because we're going to jinx it. But then we say the negative things. We're just manifesting negativity. So true.

You know? No, and I do believe in manifesting. So why do I think of it like that? Yeah. Or just expecting a miracle. Why not? So did it fix you? Fix everything.

I mean, look, I, I'm really glad that I waited. I got pregnant at 40 years old, you know, so I can't speak for people that, you know, did it younger and it's overwhelming and it's hard. like juggling a lot. You can't afford to get help, whatever. I'll say, like, make that disclaimer. But for me, and I don't think it's just our business. I think, like, I was so sick of myself. Like, I, the narcissism of what we do was just plot twist. I guess I'm not a clinical narcissist, like news to me as well. But, like, I just like, you know, I realized like my self-esteem was so low because I was thinking about myself all the time. Hey guys. Hey guys. Like subscribe. I mean, it's just like, so for me, I realize,

like, I like myself, if I'm not thinking about myself, 24 hours. a day. An hour of a day is kind of the sweet spot. You know, it's such a relief to be able to, like, not have to think about myself all the time. It's true. You know, it fixed a lot of, like, body stuff, you know, I, like, am obsessed with my body. I don't think about what I eat all the time.

Your body is really hot. The way that I used to, thank you. I do take metformin, you know, which I feel the need to say. And I'm also being, what's that? Metformin is it's a diabetes medication where the side effect is that half the incidences of cancer, like, good for your skin, you end up like. Wait, what's the cancer part? What'd you say?

In the studies, which by the way, don't get me started on studies, I have notes and issues for all of them. But in a study that seems pretty reliable, the people that took it had half the incidences of cancer. Because you're not processing sugar and cancer feeds off sugar. I'm a doctor. I'm a scientist. Google it. Wait. I went to Alex Jones Medical School.

So you started taking it because of... I started taking it a couple years ago, just longevity stuff. Dr. David Sinclair, who wrote the book Lifespan, who talks about just sort of... Oh, he recommends this. You can change your biological age with a couple things. N-A-D and METformin. You do this N-A-D thing? The IV.

I don't do the IV as much. I do it. You take the supplement? True niogen. Yeah, I take true niogen. And is it, I heard from someone that does the IVs that it makes them feel a little sick? The IVs are a horror show. They're super uncomfortable.

I think a lot of people, though, they want from their self-care, high-performing health stuff. They're a little masochistic about it. They want to, like, sit in ice bats and they want a needle. Like, you don't have to do it that way. But, like, if you want a good picture for Instagram or you have to make it. like a saga, go for it. I just said yesterday I posted a photo being like, I promise you guys, if I get a mansion,

there won't be a sauna and there won't be a cold plunge. I just, do you have one in your house? Well, I grew up poor. So I was cold plunging my entire childhood. Like, I don't, I've only had cold water. So this whole thing where rich people are like, I'm going to be poor for two and a half minutes.

Like for Instagram, I'm like, cool. The, look, love Andrew Huberman. He's a good friend. He even. Oh, he started it? Well, no, he just like talks about it. I mean, Rogan and all these guys. Goggins, like all you guys with your, I love that men have eating disorders now. It's kind of

amazing. They're like, I mean, I only eat meat and kale and like those sugar and I'm going to fine. I just, I do believe, and Huberman talked about this, if the stress caused by getting in the ice bath is extreme and undoes all the benefits, because stress is the worst thing for you. Yeah. You know, Sana I do like, though. You do. It helps me with stretching and I think it's good for my skin. personally. Well, your skin looks great. Thank you. Appreciate it. And how is the pregnancy for you? I do all the things. I don't want to sound like this person. Oh my God. You loved it. I didn't love it. I just was 40 when it happened. I think I was just so grateful that I got to do it. And by that time in your life, you are so, you know, I've been into Hollywood for 20 years. My tolerance for pain and discomfort is just so high. Like I'm a touring female comic. Like I'm like, I flew middle seat on Southwest for

17 years. So I like I, you know, it was definitely uncomfortable. I think the hardest part for me was having, you know, I made a movie about neuroscience called the female brain about sort of, you know, how our brains work. And I learned a lot about epigenetic imprinting and about how like the chemicals that you emit in utero. Yeah. The child will be born addicted to. So like, if you're doing crack while pregnant, your baby will be obviously addicted to crack. And then it's so funny, I'm like sitting here being like, I'm talking too much because I'm a fan of yours and I want you to talk. But I know I'm the guest. So I have to. You're so cute. So you're born addicted to adrenaline if you produce adrenaline while your child is in utero. And I know for sure that happened to me. My mom had me. I was an accident. They called me a surprise. But she was going through a nightmare with my dad at the time. And they were just like very acrimonious relationship. And I was like the kid that was always like putting my finger in sockets. And like I really believe that I had an adrenaline addiction. I worked really hard on changing that about myself. So I had to work really hard to not allow any stress or question. cortisol while I was pregnant. Wow. How did you do it? There was like twice that I got a pit in my stomach about something. But for eight, nine months, I just chilled. I kicked it. I did tour for a while. But like if someone cut me off in traffic, I was just like, I hope you get to your destination. Like, I just wouldn't allow stress. There was a lot of people in my life that love you, but like, I can't hang out with you when I'm pregnant. Or like, I'm just not going to text this person back. Or like, I'm just going to skip this comedy club. Because I might run into this person.

Well, yeah, because I really just wanted to make sure that my child wasn't born addicted to adrenaline and like, you know, the basis for like addiction because I have so much addiction in my family, you know? So that was maybe the harder part of being pregnant because I'm so addicted to chaos and I have so much chaos in my life. We'll be right back after the break. I don't want to put any pressure on anybody to turn their life around and be organic gluten free, dairy free, toxic free, all the things free. But there are some stuff that like you're a dinosaur if you're not doing them. Like you're a dinosaur. If you're a dinosaur, if you're, you're still using toxic deodorant, you're a dinosaur if you are using toxic cookware that have

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Pick some up when you're out shopping. Goodalls is available nationwide at major grocery stores and Target and Walmart. I just know you're going to love Goodalls as much as I do. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. I don't know how many people remember this. Oh, shit. You are one decision away from a different life. I know for a fact that it was her who sold this to the media.

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and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. New episodes drop every Wednesday on X and on Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts. See you there. And we're back. How's Henry? Like, what does his temperament feel like to you?

He's such a weirdo. Yeah? Isn't it weird? Because my boyfriend explained this to me because he's, like, I look at him. I'm like, first of all, he's like, it's like such a celebrity to me. Like, when I see him, like, if there's a babysitter with him, I'm working the other room. And I'll see him and I'll be like, oh, we're like, there he is. Like, I get so geeked when I see him.

Do you compete with a babysitter for his attention? No. Okay. I think kids she had that. Fine. I think kids should have a lot of awesome people. It's true. And you know what?

It's so cute that even when they're tiny, they are able. It's okay. Pop that ginger. Sorry. Do we have misophonia people in your audience? No. No. How annoying are those people that they want you to cater to them and never chew on camera?

Sorry. Okay. Just don't chew gum with your mouth open while we're in a meeting. You know, it's more things like that. Well, that's fine. In a meeting, it's fine. But it's like they're so little and they're still able to like, like, know that you're their mom, which is a wild concept, right?

I think it's your smell probably in your voice mostly. And then know that, like, this is a person that I also like. Not like I like you, mom, but like I like them and I'm down to stay with them. And this is my sibling or my cut, like you just see in their eyes, even when they're so young, like, it's just crazy. So tell me, he's a weirdo. It's a trip. But I do have lots of friends who are like, he went to the nanny and not me. I'm like, lucky.

I mean, you know, I obviously am so obsessed with my. kid. There's no, you know, I get to be with him forever. I think for me, I get excited when he loves all the, you know, people in his life, you know, that's exciting to me. Because, like, I know it, like, it's like, Snoop Dog's wife. It's like, well, he comes home with me at the end of the night or whatever. Like, what was it? Like, he can hook up with other women, but, like, he comes home to me. I'm like, so toxic. Yeah, that's me with my son. I'm like, I pay the bells. I have some leverage here. It's wild. Like, I guess it's because he's a boy. Like, I don't feel like he looks anything like me. Like, I'm just kind of like, who is this.

child. I don't know why. I haven't really talked about this very much. And just not at all. So I'm a little bit like. Oh, you didn't talk about your son at all. I mean, I haven't talked about him that much. Yeah. At all. And I don't know. You don't post him. I do post him. I'm fine with posting his face. So if you want to come for me because I post my baby's face. People come for you about that. I mean, they come. And by the way, they come for us about everything if they're a mom. Which by the way, like, I'm not upset about it. People like a mom, Instagram, mom TikTok. Like they're so nasty. I like to look at it as like, you know, look at all these people that care about this child, they don't even know.

You might be wrong just because, like, that's not my experience. Like, I post about breastfeeding. People are like, you're breastfeeding. You should be by breast. Are you still breastfeeding? No. I did like three months. Okay.

Oh, I will get canceled for talking about any of this. Like, it is wild. If you're like, I'm bottle feeding, they're like, you're not breastfeeding. And then if you're breastfeeding, they're like breast milk has microplastics. You know, so, but when I get it, once you become a mom, you have like this biological urge to, like, tell people. Oh my God, let me tell you, if you want engagement, like, I can't imagine, like, the mommy blog, the mommy bloggers.

Uh-huh. The mommy bloggers, I'm like, they must be, like, blown up. Like, no one, like, Brad Pitt hasn't been blown up like this. Because I know if I'm like, hey, guys, what bottle? I'm like, like, strong opinions. People want to throw information up about is baby stuff. It's also the betrayal of, like, you know, and they're like, what stroller? And you're like, do not.

And they're like, I got. the bob and you're like what the bob did to me is so like you mean you're you just purchased from my abuser which by the way I love the bob by the way wait there's a bob I thought you're making it up no it's called the bob it's like a stroller with three wheels it's a big outdoor it's the only one with the normal name so I was like nuna pupa lila moon ma can we just can we why are we talking like babies as soon as we have babies we dress like them we talk like them it's like but I just find that like when they're like no no we're going to use this kind of bottle You're like, okay, fine, cool.

That bottle, like, ruined my life for two weeks, you know, but it might work for somebody else. Yeah, they'll get very intense about it. Totally. But, again, it's our job to, like, share information. This is just us, like, the village used to do that. No, and I like, that's the thing. I'll use the village.

And I'm like, I have a pediatrician, but I'm going to ask them. They know, I'm telling you a true story. When Lenny, my son was born, he had, like, gooky in his eye. And I was like, what is this? Doctor was like, oh, it goes away by one year. It's just their tear ducks. Like, it happens. And I'm like, okay, come back after a month.

He's like, yeah, I get, I'm like, his eye isn't opening in the morning. Like, are you sure? Yep, yep, yep, yeah, clean it with like a moina posted. Yep. Everyone's like with their opinions. I saw a few opinions that were like, you need the antibiotics for his eye. I literally asked the doctor for what a follower from Nebraska said to do. Fixed his eye in the first fucking dose.

Instantly, that's it. Doctors TikTok. We're on to you. We're on to you. You don't need it. Same. I got some of the best advice from like TikTok and stuff because I just let, literally said, like, give me advice.

Like, because there's things that you just don't even know. You don't even know to ask. And someone, a lot of women were like, make sure to put like aqua four or something on their butthole as soon as they come out of your body because the first poop is so sticky that it's hard to get off game changer. Oh my God. That was the first big piece of advice. Am I at a ditty party?

Yeah, I was just like, but it was like a miracle, you know, things like that, you know. I think women like women's experience, like I know doctors are real, fine. But, like, nothing, yeah, nothing can replace, like, the wisdom of women. Wait, you have a thing, really that you're not afraid of, like, the canceled thing, supposedly. Like being canceled? Right. What is it? What's canceled?

Has anyone been canceled? Ew, gross word. I agree. It's okay. I mean, have anyone been canceled? I mean, technically. If you've done something illegal. Technically, are there people that aren't coming back?

Yeah. Like who? Like a recent example? Yeah. I mean, I'm not putting you on the spot. No, no, no, no. Like a recent example. I was thinking of.

I mean, Mel Gibson has 13 movies in production. No. Z's on tour. Louis's bigger than ever. Louis bigger than ever? I mean, yeah, in terms of like ticket sales and so. Shane Gillis, bigger than ever. Okay.

Ashton Coucher. Ashton Coucher. Like, can he come back? But what was he going to come back for anyway? I'm just curious. Were we? No. But like, they were Hollywood kind of royalty.

Yeah. And by the way, I thought of him because I literally when I was preparing for this interview was like, you're on punked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is wild because I remember you on punked, but I think I never like saw you today being like, oh, when she was on punked.

But like you were on punked because, and I, then we weren't supposed to know you because. My phone is off, but that's the nanet. Sorry, the nanit comes through. The nanit. When the phone is off. Surprises everything. It's so funny.

Okay, I love what you're saying. Wait, when you were on punked, you weren't allowed to be known because you had to trick people. Yeah. So then you were. anonymous. It's actually kind of a great first job because you have to be anonymous to do it. And then you get all this exposure, you know? Wait, were you on when Dax was on? Was it you? No, he was

first season. He was first and you were third season, the hidden season. Remember there was like a secret season that was like he canceled it like he went on CNN and it was like it's over. And then whatever. Yes. I love what you're saying because I am obsessed with people that get canceled for like bad judgment instead of like a I pulled my dick out at work or like I, you know, did something, or I had black face or something. Like, like, J-Lo, it's wild to watch just this gradual people just going, something doesn't smell right. Like, we don't, you want too much and you've taken, there's just like a subtle.

I don't know what it is with J-Lo. That's what you think it is. I remember when James- What do they want from her? I'm kind of team J-Lo, by the way, until something comes out and then I'm running. No, no, it's more this. It's more like on TikTok, waitresses started coming together, me like, she doesn't tip me.

It became like a big thing on TikTok that she doesn't tip. Remember that was like kind of thing? Then they're hating on everything And they do this thing She can't get a she can't go to the bodega They're like she can't say bodega She's not really Spanish You know

She can't walk by her house in the Bronx That's not hers I'm like she grew up in the Bronx But the reason they don't like her right now Is the reason they like you People want authenticity now They don't want you to pretend But I am so naive

That I'm like she's not pretending Like when I watch her documentary And she was eating Cheetos I'm like Jail is just like us And everyone's like no Amanda She's eating the Cheetos for the moment. And two things could be true at once. Right. Two things can probably, who knows? I think like, you know, and then people go ditty party. She's not selling tickets and this and this. I do think

we don't like sore winners. And the idea that she's like, I didn't get enough time on the Super Bowl. Everyone's like, we really wanted that Oscar for hustlers too. We're starving to death. Like, we're, we don't. Our water catches on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we're poor. We can't afford apartments. Like, there's no jobs left. We're being replaced by robots. And she's like, I just wanted more time on the Super Bowl. We're like, what? You think that's when there's a, there's like a, oh, oh, you know what like you need to get out of a relationship? You talked about this one, a toxic relationship. And you can kind of never get out because there's not one thing. You're kind of like, that was kind of weird, but,

but then they cheat on you and you're like, oh, thank God. Yes, yes, yes. I just needed one, like, irrefutable. Are you there though with her or no? No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, you're watching. Okay, but like Ashton Coucher, but what do you think, what do you think about it was what turned you off? I'm just fascinated by the way, and not to be canceled myself, I, by the way, was like, everyone, let's hold up for one second. I'm obsessed when someone's apology is what gets them canceled. And they were actually doing okay until they apologize. And you read the apology and you're like, no, not the read, babe.

It was a video at this like, it was a video in like the rand. You put on a shirt with buttons. Can we get a, are you wearing a T-shirt? Like what? There was some kind of like little kids. It was a little freaky. It was a little ominous. Do you want to memorize what you're going to make it feel like it's coming from the heart?

It didn't come. It didn't. It was it. It was icky. Is it cancelable? Like, are we bothering you? Do you need more time for this apology? It was not good.

But should they be tainted and never come back? That's my question. That's what it seems like right now. Even though she was at some like, she had a movie, by the way, come out with Michael Keene because I got like the press release for it. And I was like, in another world. Mila Quinnis would have been doing press for this movie. Yeah. And this movie is kind of like because of that thing. One thing I will say is that, and I don't know the truth, I don't know.

Yeah. Usually sexual predators and monsters don't let everyone know they're sexual predators monsters. This is how they get away with it. I'm sure there is a strong case that Mila is awesome, dude, that Mila and Ashton didn't know he was doing all this stuff. Scientology does an amazing job of covering it up and permitting it. like I think we're all making the assumption that he knew about all this stuff and then wrote a glowing review.

Yeah. And I don't know if you did or not. I've been in situations where, look, I'm a female comic. I'm around a bunch of guys. They don't tell us what they're doing. No one's like, hey, I raped this girl last night. Like no one, they do it in secret.

So I don't know the answer. I feel like also, who knows, I tore a lot because I love it and I'm a stand-up. And I really appreciate being around like, for lack of a better word, What do we say that's not normal or average? Like, real people?

For the most part, I think they're kind of like, can you just make a good movie and I'll watch it? Like, we don't expect anyone in Hollywood to be good people. We assume you're all trash scumbags. This is a business that was built on the back of a three-year-old toddler named Shirley Temple. Shirley Temple was the Margo Robbie of the 1920s. She's like twerking on Sailor's laps. Like, you know what? There's no mom in sight?

Like, no, nothing? Like, she was like a sex symbol. A baby was a sex symbol. I don't think people expect Hollywood people to be good. They're just like, make a good movie. I need something to do tonight. I'm obsessed again. Sorry to bring you into all my, like, weird obsession. Bring me, babe. When something's, like, really obvious in front of you and nobody saw it. Like, did he changed

his name three times? No one thought that was weird. I thought that was cool. Like, that's what you do when you're in legal trouble. You're like, my name's Sean John now. Like, who? Did he? No, who's that guy? Like, they were cut. Like, what are you talking? No one thought that was weird. We're dumb. Do I'm saying? Like, when billionaires are on boats, like, yeah, there's no maritime law. There's no laws on international waters. You know what I'm saying? Everyone's like, oh, you know, people don't just take boats? No. There's the nicest hotel in the world is right here. And they choose to be docked out there, 500 yards.

That's not weird to anyone. Like, like, like, prunked. I always felt like that was me. Oh, you felt like, I mean, that was crazy. Always felt awful. What was the craziest punct you did? Like, it was one of Jennifer Lof Hewitt that was especially cruel. Oh, do I love her comeback.

By the way, you guys, she has a new movie on like Hallmark or something. Yeah, yeah. Love it for her. And we became friends and she's like such a sweetheart. It was like getting her to go to an audition. with Mark Forrester, who was a really big director at the time. And I was like the receptionist or something for this fake meeting. And it was like Jennifer Liff Hewitt, who was, you know, obviously very famous.

But like this guy like did movies that won Oscars. So it was a fake meeting that she was going to meet with Mark Forrester. Oh. And then she gets there and it's like a joke, you know? And I remember like, at the time I just was so broke. I was $40,000 in debt. I'm like getting a job. Like I don't have to do this job, you know?

And then it just like. But you felt bad about it even then? Awful. Really? Chris Klein. There was one that felt really cruel. Yeah, there was a time we're just like pranking people,

like was just our kink. And it ultimately is like, we're going to embarrass them. You know what I mean? I'm going to embarrass you. But they had to sign a release after. They had to like agree for it to go. Yeah, they did.

But you're so grateful that the situation's not real. Of course, you're going to sign it, you know? But that's a really... I'm not coming out against fun. It's like it was fun. I think it made a lot of people laugh. Yeah. I think you just assume when people have money or they're on TV,

like their feelings don't matter. Did you get any viable? from Ashton then? Was he nice? I always liked Ashton. I don't know him that well. Like I, you know, he seems like very like an entrepreneur. Like, you know, I think it's cool that he's like, I'm not going to do this acting thing anymore. Like, let me go do this other thing. So many people aren't doing acting things anymore. Why? People like rather be in business. I got, well, see, maybe this is like, I like, I'm good at lying for a living. Like, I don't know if I need to lie and wear makeup for a living. You know what I mean? Like, you're just a professional liar.

People are always like, how come that actor was like so mean? I'm like, they pretend for a living. You know what I mean? Or like, why was this person, you know, this actor cheated on me? Yeah, they lie for a living. That's their favorite thing to do. We'll be right back after the break. Let's talk about real food for a hot minute.

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It's, I know you have something after this, too, but you have this genius way of, like, moving so fast that you can't really have a prepared answer. It's not on purpose. It is so rare that I'm, like, thrown and I'm like, like, can't gather my thoughts. And it's like, Howard Stern. He would do, he would ask things like, so, like, you and Jack Nicholson hooked up, right? And you'd be like, no, what? And then you'd be on to something else. Right.

I know what you're saying. Yeah, you're like, hey, Chelsea Hanlon, right? And I'd be like, wait, no, what? Like, you're so thrown. Like, and you do this in kind of a genius way because I'm like, wait, I don't feel like, I don't feel like I answer this past thing where it's like, but here's the thing about it. I just said the negative things. And normally the second thing I say is the positive things. And I'm not getting them. No, you said only the positive. Really? Yeah. I just thought. Then we were talking about your boyfriend. But yes. I was saying like, oh. Can I say this about, I just feel the need if you're going to say something negative about anyone. Can I tell you you didn't say anything negative? I think when Ashton dated to me. I was so, like, how low is our bar for men that were like, he dated a woman. She might have been the most beautiful woman on the planet, but she was 10 years older than him.

He is a saint. Yeah. He fell in love with the most gorgeous woman in the world. I mean, listen, people send me things about that Aaron Taylor Johnson, Paul. What's his name? Who? Taylor. Taylor.

He's dating the older woman director. And people are like, ugh. It's like, they're insane. Also, I'm kidding, I don't know, but Milakunis is awesome. Like, she is so cool. I haven't been in a situation like them, but when you find out someone that you thought you knew or has bad behavior and you thought you were doing the right thing at the time and then it, like, I don't, for a second, like, I sympathize with the position they were in.

Yeah. Because here's the other thing. Here's other thing. Their friend. Hey, guess what? They didn't do it. Right. They didn't do it.

Yeah. Let's focus. Send your anger to Scientology and Danny Master. Did they make a mistake? Maybe, probably. Was there a read not that good? Maybe. I don't know what version of that read

would have been better. There's no good way to do it. I just don't, I get why the, here's my thing about Hollywood. I get why the public is mad. I don't get how Hollywood listen. Because a lot of time Hollywood doesn't listen

to like the public, right? They're like, great, you hate this person, we don't care. Yeah. Here it was like, oh, you guys are turning on them. But it's also, Hollywood turns on people.

people for being over 40 if you're a woman. You know, lately it's been kind of like the 40s era, which I've been loving. Tell me. You don't feel it? Tell me what you're seeing. I'm seeing the comebacks. There have been some comebacks, Pamela Anderson. What's up?

It's not progress until they don't call her brave. Are they call it? No, the makeup thing, I'm so motherfucking over it. I swear if they bring up the fact that she doesn't wear makeup one more time, if I, even she's over it. It was her movement. Yeah. But she's over it. over it. I mean, Alicia Keys did it.

Alicia Keys wasn't wearing makeup. But like Alicia Keys isn't. But she looks like she's Alicia Key. Right. Yeah. Yeah. When a white woman does it, you're like, whoa, that is brave. But like Alicia Keys hasn't wore makeup for a while. No, there's some comebacks. Uh-huh. There's some comeback. I'm not, I'm just, wait, you don't have another example? Pamela Anderson. Demi Moore. Demi Moore. It's okay if a woman who's 60 is it a movie as long as a 25-year-old girl is

in a leotard 80% of it. That's the trade-off. I'm obsessed with when Hollywood pats themselves on the back. They're like, we put Pamela Anderson in a movie. You're like one of the most beautiful women in the world. Like you put her in a movie. Like, thank you. Thanks. And Nicole Kidman is in every movie this year.

She never left. She's, no, that's how I'm not saying that. She never went anywhere. She's nowhere. She's everywhere. Uh-huh. She's in every movie this year. They actually need to give her some time off.

She does. Let her have a life. Did you watch Baby Girl yet? Uh-uh. Oh, my God, babe. I mean, did you just grunt? She saw it with me. it was very hot.

I watched a screener at 10 a. Baby girl. Is this a documentary about the Red Hot Chili Pepper singer? He's dating a 19-year-old. That's an old photo, by the way. What do you mean? Wait, this is a recent photo you saw?

How old is his girlfriend? But that, I know, I know what you're talking about. Then she was 19 and he was fucking 100. Now she's probably 25 and he is 100. Here I'll say, Anthony Keatis. I'm sure you're a fan of this podcast. Well, you're the girl. Girlfriend, you babysit. Definitely is. She probably is. It's not cool. Like, no one's, like, sick. It just, especially since you're in a relationship with her, you're dumb. What are you talking to her about? Yeah. If you just sleep with a 19-year-old, you're like, okay, you're gross, but, like, you hang out all the time. Yeah. Like, what do you talk about? No, but I know what you're talking about, and that's very old. I'm just saying. I've seen a lot of them. She's grown. It's my whole TikTok algorithm. I've seen that's your TikTok algorithm. Yeah, is Anthony Keats at the moment. Wait, you're on tour. You're on. You're on. You're on. You're on. You're on.

tour right now. Yes, ma'am. I just, I just ended and then I'm going to start again in February doing... The big baby tour? 40 more cities, yeah. Why the big baby tour? I don't know. I had postpartum depression. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It's unclear. My baby, I don't know.

Are you big and he's the baby? They had to cut me two inches. He was pretty big, yeah. Wow. How much was he born? You want to, you want to, this is what gets you canceled. I induced. I got, induced it 39 weeks. Wait, you got canceled for this? No, I'm just saying. I'm saying like the mini can.

You took potosin. He's going to be weird. Why did you want him out at 39? He's going to be weird. I really wanted to have him vaginally. And I know that like once you get to the hospital, there's just like so much pressure to go C-section, no shade on C-section. If I have another one, I'm sure I'll just like schedule that shit and go to SoulCycle. Like, fine.

But like I really wanted to do it vaginally. So I had the option to have another kid sooner if I wanted to. And they're just going to be like a tiny bit smaller if you do it at 39 weeks because all the organs are already like cooked and stuff. So I was like, let's just, you know, my doctor recommended it and I'm 40. and yeah I do this weird thing we're like when it comes to like my gynecologist I'd listen for her yeah actually it's funny because my first I gave birth at 38 weeks like he just came oh wow so then this time at 38 weeks I was like ready like you're coming then he wasn't and they start asking you at 38 weeks like so what do you want to do like when do you want to schedule this

basically so I ended up getting it scheduled as well but I didn't know it was a bad thing no I think some people just go like you know I just told like everything that you know, I learned, you know, to just like... Wait, but you're talking about another one, by the way. So, like, you're like, it's... When you talk about it like that, it's a yes. Well, what was your... Did you plan for two?

I knew. I knew. Oh. Because I knew I was gonna fucking give him a sibling, you know? Oh. Because when you're not no, you're kind of yes. You know what I mean? Great point. Because my thing is like...

And that's why I could tell by the way you phrased it. I'm like, she's having another baby. I would love to, you know, I'm 42 now. We'll see. I mean, I guess for me, I'm like, the one, I know lots of great only child people. And I want to go like, I want to give him like a best friend to sibling, but it's a tricky one. Because what is he look like he, is he seeking like kind of a companion? I got to say, I have a pretty hands off approach when he's playing. If he wants to engage and play with me, I will. But I was just, I dig into the Swedish and Finland studies of like, you know, they shouldn't learn to read until they're six because they're not able to focus yet.

you know, so that if you just let them play with whatever they want. How much do you read? I kind of read a lot. You know a lot of stuff, Swedish in Finland, all these like Huberman stuff, this doctor stuff. You know a lot of stuff. I'm a, what is? I think that being a comedian and having opinions for a living,

you can't be a total idiot. I think it is part of my job to be somewhat informed, but I'm also the first person to go, like, that study's full of shit. When it comes to kids studies, do not get me started. And they're like, kids actually do better when they, like, they're not afraid of snakes. Did you see this thing?

It was like, we put a snake next to a baby. I'm like, get, don't do this study. Why is it? What pedophile decides to study kids for a living? Also, you bring the kid to a strange place. Like, there's no way any of these results are going to be valid. I also used to do clinical trials and studies when I was broke and I would lie all the time. Studies are like not that reliable most of the time, you know?

And I'm like, and when someone's like, this poll, I'm like, no one asked me. I don't know. Anyone that was asked for this. Any idiot, any person that's like, can we poll you who's like, sure, is. is ill. You know what I mean? Most people are, no, I'm going to contribute to your Pew study. So I guess like for me, I try to learn as much as I can, but also to go like, hmm, that's bullshit, that's bullshit. Because I think a lot of us operate off of these like bullshit studies that we kind of like want a sense of control of like, if I do this, my kid will be okay, you know?

But I really do try to trust my instincts. He's very like, you know, we'll focus on one thing for like a while. And I try to not interrupt. That is one of my rules. Don't interrupt when he's playing. Even if I'm bored. Oh my God. I'm so bored, bored shitless, because he's not. You want to play. But I, because I'll be like, let's play with this now. Let's, like, I'll, like, I try to not do that. Oh, that's really good.

You want him to have the ability to just like. But no, it's not only about giving him a sibling. It should, like, if you want another kid, I have another kid. If you don't want another kid, don't have. But I could tell with you that you kind of want. Every mom I know that has one kid. The difference is so intense. A mom shows up at a party with one kid.

She's like Lulu Lemon. She's got the blowout. She's got the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, star on her set. Do you know what I mean? She's got the whole thing and she's like looking amazing. Two kids when they pull up it's just like the car they minivan just drives onto the lawn the kids driving. It just becomes craziness. Yeah when it's one kid the kids in a full suit dress like me and then it's two kids and they're just buck naked just covered in like Sharpie like it's the difference is so like it's so it scares you like to be Angelique Cabral actress

who's awesome says having one kid is amazing. Having two kids is like being drowned. It's like drowning and someone throws you a baby. Okay. Do you know how many times I've heard that quote and every time somebody quotes somebody else? She said it. She's originator. I heard it via Zoe Lister Jones. That's so funny. Zoe Lister Jones said on my podcast. Does she say her friend said it? She said her friend said it. Yeah. She said her friend said it. Wait, that's wild that you just said insane Tourette's where I could... But I just heard that Jim Gaffigan said it. Maybe.

Because he has five kids, right? So they were like, he said, somebody asked him, what's it like with this fifth kid? It's like, you have four and they're drowning and they throw you a fifth and something. You mean it was like that for his first one? Yes. Have you seen his first schedule? Yes.

Okay. I have to ask the question about comedians, by the way. Please. This is very niche. Okay. Very niche. It's only I care about this. I noticed that you guys hype each other up

more than any other group of people on the planet. Like you share, watch your special. So-and-Sus performing. You hype each other up. Nice. Is it a code? That's awesome. Like, is it a,

you're let in only if you chair each other's tours and link to tickets? I think that comedians have an understanding that we all benefit when one person rises. Do you know what I mean? It's like we can't take from each other. Like, we only help each other. Like, if you go to a venue and you see,

see a bunch of posters for the people coming up. Like, if you come to see me, you'll see posters for Hannah Burner and naked glazed and everybody benefits. I also think that that stand-up specials, whether it's because sometimes we use words that can't, you know, whatever, be promoted. Like, especially if it's like YouTube, we have to really help each other because no one else. Is it a said thing? Does anybody ask?

Is there a group chat like, hey, my thing's coming out, blast off? You will, the day your special comes out. Well, there's a, there's a little bit of a mass shaming that happens where if a couple people post it, you're like, I don't want to, do you know what I mean? Always. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? We all see it.

But it's not like out of a gross way. It's just going like, let's lift this person up. They deserve it. It's so hard to do what we do. It's so hard to get a special me. And for me, I just go like, I would have done anything for a successful comic to share it, you know?

But yeah, there's times that you'll like have to send that. Hey, hate myself. My special's coming out. If you want to post this cool, if you don't, please block me. I feel sick.

I'm never going to lick you in the eye again. I'm so sorry. You know, we do send about that. It's what, like, if you follow comedians, which I follow a bunch, it's like, no, you guys are always promoting each other's shit. We all help each other. Always. We all should do this because it's like.

But in other industries, it doesn't happen. And then it'll suggest something else, you know what I mean? It will suggest, there's not as much of a scarcity complex anymore. I think when I started, especially with women, there were so few of them, it was me or you want to line up. Uh-huh. It was either me or you. Now it's not like that. I was at the comedy store the other night.

It was like four women in a row. I was kind of like, guys, okay, I feel like we're over correcting. This is really just, Esther's like, I just became my mom. I'm like, hey, I just became my mom. And I'm like, like, the curves of comedy. Like, we need some men up here, you know, just for diversity. So I think that there's maybe, yeah, I think more is more when it comes to comedy. But that's, I don't have an elegant answer for that or a funny one, but that is a really good point.

So it's less than the, like, entertainment industry with, like, actors and stuff. Do they not help each other? Well, I don't know. Sydney Sweeney just said, like, all the, like, women empowering women is kind of like bullshit in Hollywood. Well, there's, it's, you know, look, there is definitely a tier of women with whom I am obsessed. I have played a couple roles where I am fully just being them, Machine Gun Kelly's movie. I played like a publicist. And then in this movie for Paramount Plus with Monica Babaro, I played an agent.

Oh, the other way around. I don't remember. Of these women that came up under men. So that's how they learned. And they were like the one woman at Paramount or the one woman at Warner Brothers or whatever who had to just like deal with such a nightmare. And they had to become these tough bitches who just, like, you know, in order to survive. I always say no one's been meaner to me in this business than women.

But like, why am I holding them to a higher standard than Matt? I mean, someone was probably mean to them too. Right. I'm being oversensitive. Like, you know, I don't know. Sydney seems to be doing fine. Yeah. You know?

She should shut down. If she got this far with women being mean, fine. You know, I'd rather a woman be mean to my face than a man be nice to my face and then be a creep at the Christmas party. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think she was more like it was about how it's fake.

You know what I mean? Of course it is. Yeah, it's so fake. You mean the business that was built on the back of a three-year-old toddler? Yeah, yeah. Like, Hollywood is fake. Like, yeah. I have to ask you about this new show that you're hosting because it's like a dream for people that love friends.

Do you have this thing where you're like, I need to make shows my son can actually watch? No. Do you? I finally get to do a show. My son can watch. I get it. I got it. No, but it's also a show for like, me.

for millennials. It's called Fast Friends. It's a competition series. Who of us haven't gone to a trivia night at a bar thinking we can win the Friends thing? All of us. Like all of us. So how are you a Friends fanatic? You know, I didn't see it a bunch when it was on at the time. But later when I started making television shows, I started meeting with Friends writers. And they were so funny and brilliant. I'm like, I don't watch this show. I sometimes try to not watch things that I think will make me want to give up. Like if something's really good, I'm like, I don't want to watch it right now. Like, I don't want to, you know.

So then I started watching friends after. And I was having a lot of insecurity about being on TV. I'd been told so much in Hollywood that, and look, I appreciate directness. Like, but, you know, this guy, an agent at this agency called ICM, he, like, I'm trying to think who he looks like. Like, do you know, have you seen big trouble in Little China, the ball, like the floating blob? No. Okay, Google it. That's what he looked like.

And he told me when I was 24 that I would never be a leading. lady. Like I wasn't pretty enough to be a leading lady. Like, best case scenario, I would be like a Lisa Kudrow. He was trying to hurt my feelings, but like what he didn't know is like Lisa Kudrow is my hero, you know? And so I would watch the show and just be like, you know, look at her and go like, I can do this. I can do this. And then the character Janice, I don't know if you remember Janice who was, you know, I remember me like, oh, like shrill, annoying women can be on TV. Like, I can do this, you guys. Like I would like, seriously, I'm like, I'm never going to be the Jennifer Annison. I'm never going to be the Courtney Hawks. But like, I can do that.

Yeah. You know, I can be the person and everyone goes like this when she walks in the room. I can be on TV, you know. So I, that was like really pivotal for me being able to see her. And does she come on this? She does make a little special appearance. It's very exciting. And look, I just feel like, you know, I feel like the media just wants us or whatever. The internet wants us to think that like everyone's so divided or this is what we naturally, you know, kind of deduce when you're online is like no one agrees on anything. And like people aren't like seeing their family for the holidays because they voted for the, you know, person they didn't agree. You know, this is a show. Like everybody can watch it. And I'm really. proud to like be a part of that something that's not like dividing you can play along everyone all my friends that have watched it when i'm like got advanced copies to do like voiceover or something they're like they're like playing along and there's something really sweet about that there's something really did you rewatch it before shooting i did and it was actually rewatching it with it's actually a really good thing to watch with your person because there's so many things like when ross and rachel were on a break it like we like got to have that conversation like a break is not a break Like, like, a break's not a brain.

Totally. Yeah. We got to like sort of do that and it was like a good little sort of thing for us. But it's nice because, you know, I mean, you've spent an hour with me. Like, I can't let things. It's so hard for me to like watch movies with him and watch stuff with him because it's like, okay, well, that would never. Okay. Well, the voice.

Do you see the continuity issue here? Like, wait, what? Like, they did digital makeup on her. Wait, so you let go. Can you let go though? We can just watch it together. Oh, okay. Well, you, like, I hope that everybody knows this, that you can.

created to broke girls, which is like co-created, which is fucking sick. Like, that's such a huge accomplishment. Is that, because I love knowing back end things, is that like the same setup as friends in terms of like the audience? Like, you guys had an audience. I thought you meant it's like the deal structure. I was like, because back end is a part of a deal structure. Like, how many points do you have? I meant like the, what do you guys called? Multicam. Yeah, multi-cams. Is it the same thing? Yeah, it means there's a live studio audience. And, you know, the thing about that show that I loved, and I didn't realize how, I don't know, kind of weirdly revolutionary was, is that, I don't know, like, whenever I watched shows, I ended up not watching TV a lot as someone that loved it because every storyline for girls in their 20s was like, I just want to get a man and I want him to text me back and like, maybe we should get a make over. And I just was like, I don't, I wasn't like that in my 20s. I was like, I need to get a, like, get a deep, I need to make a career. I need to like, I'm $40,000 in debt. Like, I wasn't thinking about men that way. Yes. And I want to start a business, you know. And so I want to make a show where, you know, the girls in their 20s, they just wanted to start a business and get successful. And the guys were always like

the B story. You know, they were like kind of in the background. It was like a love story between two girls that were trying to sort of build their business and having people come up to me be like, I like built a business because I watched that show like that, you know, in my 20s, I think is like the greatest. Wow, that's such a cool thing. Because then you get into Hollywood and you see the people that write shows or at least that did at the time. It's all these like dudes in their 50s like writing for 25 year olds. You're like, what? And is this how you think women talk? Like, is this what you think like we just move through life, being like, is he going to call me back, like, in our yoga class? Wait, so how old were you when you created it?

You can't talk during a yoga class. Why are they do talk? You know what? You need a makeover. Like, have you your friend ever been like, you need a makeover? You'd be like, fuck you. Like, what? Like, in what world?

So I just was like over that. But it's the same. So did it. So it's kind of your world, though. Like friends, two girls have the same. Yeah, I worked on the Roseanne boot, the first season when it came back before the tweet. I love Multicamp. It's a comic, like live studio audience.

It's like, you know, there's single cam and there's multi-cam. But there's lots of single cams that are shot multi-cam. Like, modern family is shot with four cameras. There's just no studio audience. I grew up on like Martin and, you know, Cheers and Seinfeld and, you know, love shows like that. So I like the idea of live studio. Are you going to work on any more shows? Yeah, I'm working on two now.

We'll see. Did you have any ones in the past that, I mean, I'm sure we've had a bunch that didn't get greenlit? So many. Great question. Really? This, God damn it. I get it now. I didn't before.

She's a bully. But I love it. No, people say this is my hair and my face? I had someone a very, very famous actress come up to me at my friend's baby shower and went, you know, I was listening to you on a podcast the other day. And I was like, I like Whitney Company. Oh, my God. Or like when people will just be like.

Or like shocked by you. I don't know. People will be like, you are, you're actually funny. And I'm like, yeah, actually. Actually. Excuse me? Actually. Like when like deep into knowing someone, they're like, you are, I get it now.

What were you like blown away by? Back in the day and it didn't happen for a litany of reasons, but it was a show about basically all this stuff that you were alluding to earlier of like these days like when something, you know, goes wrong in your life or you need advice, you're not necessarily going to go to your friend who makes terrible decisions. And every show, the girl always just has horrible judgment. She's like, let me go to my drunk friend who was a complete mess. and she'll give me advice in a spin class about, like, you know what I mean? Have you tried doing Kegels? You're like, what the fuck? Like, why is this awesome lead character have a friend who's just a mess?

Why is she taking that advice? Like, what you would do now is you would, like, go online. You would, like, send a question to you for your solo episode. You'd watch Andrew Huberman. You'd watch, you know, whatever. You'd Google Malcolm Gladwell or Brne Brown or whatever. So I wanted to have those actual real, like, experts in the show. And when they need to make it.

So I had a scientist on. I had Jenna Jameson was on. Like, there's this sex scene. The guy in the show is between me and Brett Goldstein. Who, yeah, you know, from Ted Lassow. He played my boyfriend on the show. Oh, shut up. And it was about what happens in a couple when the girl all of a sudden starts making more money than the guy and how it affects the power dynamics.

That's kind of happened to me. Wait, so where all these people? They're just in her imagination, but they're actually in the show. So this happened to me in real life. I started making kind of money out of nowhere. And then the guy that I was with when he found out how much I was making for a show that I had sold. Yeah. that night in the bedroom he spit in my face as a sex thing you tell me okay just it was yes oh anyway

what to restore the power dynamic or whatever it was so in the show he goes to the bathroom jennon jameson is right there and we like talk through like what it was you know stuff like that oh damn yeah so would you ever float that up again i really should you should brett goldstein is on a roll oh my god he's so great he's so great he's probably too busy now i know i did one remember remember I did one about, like, an Ombudsman's office at college, like, right after the Me Too thing. And it was three generations of women getting these complaints from college students and they all had a different take on it. You know, it was like really based on when the, you know, Aziz thing happened. Like, girls in their 20s were like, he's toxic. Like, girls in their 30s were like, he took you to dinner and, wait, you had wine? And then wait a second, he sounds like a gentleman. And then women in their 60s were like, take the compliment and move on. Like, it was just how differently everybody was reacting to it. So it was kind of about that. that. That was Lisa Kudrow and Greg Keneer and Martin Shored. Greg Keneer. Where are thou? Amazing. He's on something now.

Yeah? Obsessed with him. He played a professor that my character had actually had dated when she was in college. Like, it was a different time, you know, because there's people that are like, wait, your professor was creepy. Yeah, we used to date our professor. You know what I mean? Like, I love how many times a day we all have to say it was a different time. Oh, my God. So I've done a lot of pilots that I'm really proud. Well, you're really talented.

So keep doing all the things that you're doing. Really lame, cringy friends trivia for you before you leave to see. If you're good, listen, you hosted this show, we want to know. These are easy. So get with it. In what order. I actually, please make that a gift. They're easy.

Get with that. Bully. Bullying my voice. Bullying my voice. No, I'm just kidding. No, I just, I'll tell you why I can make. making that joke, because I read this thing that I couldn't even really get that was like, you were on a podcast, you said somebody's hair was in their face, so that you told them your

hair is in your face. And then people were like, that's so mean. I think you're bullying women if you think that they can't handle a joke or, hey, you have food in your teeth or a, you know what I'm saying? Like this whole thing, we're like, women are strong, but they're also made of glass and they can't take a joke. And they're also, she came in the podcast and she was talking about how she was like, I have borderline personality disorder. And I was like, whoa, like, dude. you? And she was like, yeah, of course. I'm borderline. I'm like, like, if someone diagnosed you with that, like, that's one thing, but this whole thing. Oh, where you, I hate that. Oh, it's not. No, I'll tell you why I hate it. I have anxiety. We can talk forever when I'm going

to have a thing. I'm going to know. Okay. Is that I have anxiety. Like, I'll get physical anxiety. I panic attack. I feel in my body. So like, I, I'm not nitpicky about things, but I don't love when people use the word anxiety as like, and I was so anxious when I was like getting ready and I'm like, But were you, well, it's also, I would love to talk about that. We'll do it really quick because have you looked into your ancestry and your ancestral trauma and what you've inherited and have you done family constellation? No, but they're like Holocaust survivors. So probably done. Done. Done. You're not anxious enough given the circumstance. You're actually being pretty chill about all this. I feel like you should be way more anxious. But also, yeah, you

evolve that way to survive. And, you know, I think for me. No, I'm down with it. I'm down with the anxiety, by the way. But it's also, again, whether she has borderline personality or that's not of my business, but also what I heard, the going information I had was if someone has borderline personality disorder, you don't tell them they have it because it makes it worse, number one. And number two, I think that like men for the longest time called us crazy, you know, whether they're gaslighting or I truly believed it, who knows you're crazy, you're neurotic, you're obsessed, you're a stalk or whatever. And now we've kind of started doing it to ourselves a little bit. And so for me, I think it's just like, if you had feelings, that doesn't

mean you're borderline. You might just like be upset that day and something bad. And like, we'll dismiss our actual feelings by giving ourselves like an overarching diagnosis because maybe it feels better or whatever. But I also like to just say to younger gals out there, like, be careful what you say on the internet because some scumbag and 20 years might use it to take custody of your kid from you. You know? So it's like going online and saying things like, I'm a borderline. I've tried to kill myself. If it helps you heal, great, but just also like you don't have to share everything if you don't want to. Medical diagnoses, like who knows people could use that against you at some point. Yeah. Just another thing to be paranoid.

about guys. Have you ever taken beta blockers? I haven't. I feel like they would help me, but I'm too anxious to take the thing to help the anxiety. It's, I mean, placebo effect doesn't affect. Just take the $5.00. It's fake. Have you taken it? Yeah. It helps. Are you on it right now? No. All it does is stops adrenaline. I think Jennifer Aniston even said she takes it for like red carpets. For like leaving the house. I mean, she's done innocent. She's taking it all. But also, I have it in my bag. It makes me feel like it'll stop my heart. That's the vibe Just having it is like 90% of it. I'm really into that kind of placebo effect.

I know I have it if I need it, which is like kind of the whole thing. Yeah. I'm like, I don't need, okay, I don't need it. But taking it, like you take such a low dose. Like I'm on such a baby dose of Prozac and I talked to my psychiatrist about it. I was like, my life is like totally different. Like I don't obsess about things anymore. And he was like, I'm like, I did to tell you.

You're like not on a medical dose. He was like, it's a placebo dose. But like placebo effect is 60% effective. If I want to become a doctor and just start a placebo practice, because it's 60% effective, which is higher than most medications. No, that is literally wild. But also, I think having anxiety,

like, given what's going on, probably going to... When the drones come, you'll be the first, you know, out. You'll be packed. You'll be ready to go. I don't trust people that aren't anxious. Yeah.

Oh, so everyone else just has to take care of it? Yeah. So people are weird. In what order did the friends find out about Monica and Chandler's relationship? This is... The first one. The first, Whitney.

Who saw them? Oh, Phoebe. Joey. Okay. But then Rachel. Then Phoebe. All at the window? No, Joey knew about it first and he was covering for them.

Oh, I thought when they were kissing in the window. No, and then. No, and then Rachel already knew about it because she picked up when Monica. Okay, on to the neck. I have mom brain and you're bullying me. I'm bullying. What is the name of the restaurant where Monica works as a chef for most of the series? Oh, my God.

This is so annoying. Valentino. Oh, no. No, Alessandros. I gave a two of mine. It's like something else. Okay, this is the easiest one. It doesn't even deserve to be here, but we'll give it to you.

I'll overthink. What is the name of Phoebe's most famous song? Yeah, I smell like that. Okay. What is the name of Joey's soap opera character who has a twin? Doctor. You're going to get a chill for this. It's, it's us with a D.

I don't remember. Drake Romare. Oh, yeah. You know, I didn't know. I, I, there's certain things you're like, I knew that. And you're like, I knew it, but I wasn't close. I wasn't close. What does Ross famously scream when trying to help his friends move a couch?

I bet. Okay, nice. What does Rachel's ex-fiance Barry do for a living? With it honest. Nice. What dessert does Rachel make on Thanksgiving that turns out disgusting? Hold on. I know this. It's not the truffle.

Yeah, it is. It is. It is the truffle. Triphal. It's not the truffle. It's not a truffle. It's not a trifling. It's not a truffle.

Whitney, I could talk to. you for hours, but what can I do? Thank you again, Whitney Cummings for coming on my show. May there be a part two, three, four, and five, six that could talk to you forever. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoochoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you. Next Tuesday.