Not Skinny But Not Fat - Whitney Leavitt: Will MomTok Survive This?

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Whitney Leavitt is in the house! We get into where she really stands with the MomTok crew, and what we can expect on the next season of the TikTok mom multiverse. She opens up about going viral for her RSV dance video, shuts down lavender marriage rumors, (and ozempic rumors too). Whitney spills on how she handles the internet’s unsolicited opinions, and why she keeps dancing through it all.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Make changing time easier for you and your little one… order Magnetic Me today! These also make a great gift for any parents in your life. New customers get 15% off your first order when you go to MagneticMe.com.This summer, stop worrying about your hair and start making memories. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code NOTSKINNY10.Use the code “AMANDA” on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order through the end of this week.Right now, IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBAR products, plus get FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, text NOTSKINNY to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.If you’re into glamour and romance, things are heating up on Hulu. Catch new seasons of Project Runway and Bachelor in Paradise this summer. And coming soon, catch the all-new reality series Love Thy Nader, starring the Nader sisters. Plus, don’t miss an all-new season of Love Island UK streaming only on Hulu. There’s so much great reality on Hulu it’s almost… too real.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch. And I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. You guys, I'm so freaking tired. like as I'm recording this right now it's I feel like some people would go to the doctor you know like some people would be like I have brain fog I have like all the things I am just sliving through it I'm sliving through it and I can say like I have a newborn which is a year old so I don't know if you can say that I like just had a baby I don't know if you can say that I like just had a year when can you when do I like just had a baby when can you when do I you know what when do I legally have to stop? It's more my question. Anyway, I'm so tired. And it's just interesting.

It's like, why does coffee help? I've been having like a second coffee recently. Have you ever gotten anxiety by influence, like influence anxiety? Because like let's say for me like coffee doesn't actually make me anxious. But because yesterday I had a second coffee and somebody I was around like somebody that was producing my podcast that day for engineering it said like oh you're drinking coffee like I can't have coffee at all like it gives me an immediate panic attack so all of a sudden I who drink coffee every day I'm like oh my god I start like getting in my head about it and trying to like literally steal his anxiety do you guys do this like oh my god if he is gets panic attacks from drinking coffee like maybe I am maybe I do maybe I am right now maybe I should

should be. Maybe that's what I, you know, and it's just like, no, live your life, you fucking weirdo. Anyway, how are you guys on this Tuesday? We have a really, a really fun episode today. You guys, really fun episode today. As you know, the secret lives of Mormon wives have taken over our lives. I just actually recommended somebody, Claire Holt asked me. She was like, what show should I watch? Should I watch summer? How should I watch this? I was like, I just knew I was like, start secret lives of Mormon wives like from the beginning fucking you're going to love it and I think it's one of those

unexpected like you think you're going into one thing and ends up being another thing you know and it's just such good reality TV these women give us a lot to work with so today Whitney Levitt the villain of season one of Mormon wives

slash maybe a little bit villain in season two but also just just a girl with three kids who filmed three days postpartum, which is nuts. So she's here in studio. And listen, you got to give her the fact that this bitch is just real. Like she just doesn't give a fuck. She says it how it is. She's all about the views and the likes and the engagement. And she'll do anything it takes to come up on your FYP. Okay. So enjoy my conversation with Whitney Levitt. Wait, you guys, I almost forgot to tell you. I know.

this is a long overdue surprising shocking yet like you should have done this already what's wrong with you announcement okay I am wait drum roll drum roll I am going to do my first ever live show I know I know it's freaking crazy, but it's happening. It's for now a one night only event. It's going to be in New York at the Grammar City Theater on October 22nd. Presale actually starts tomorrow at 10 a.m. for you guys, for my listeners, you get in on the presale with the code NSBNF. So the link is going to be like a Ticketmaster link, which I'll post tomorrow. You can find it on Ticketmaster, I think. So you can go there and find my show. Code is NSPNF. Like I said, pre-sale opens at 10 a.m. tomorrow. General sale goes on Friday. And again, my first live show, you guys, it's in New York on October 22nd. So we have time to get excited. It's going to be so fun. We're just going to have so much fun. I've wanted for so long to be in the same room as you guys. And I just wanted to figure out how best is to do it. And I was like, instead of taking seven years to figure it out, just freaking do it. And it's going to be so good.

And I've been dying to tell you. And I'm just so excited to see you. I'm so excited to laugh with you. So mark your calendar, set your alarm, sex, your friends. And get tickets. Tomorrow's a resale, Friday general sale. And this is going to be so fun, you guys. Love you.

Anyway, so enjoy my episode with Whitney Levitt. I know that I fucking did. Hey, girl. Whitney. Amanda. Well, no, first of all, like, I need to say it again. on the mic, how fucking amazing you love. Stop it. Thank you so much.

How does it feel like watching yourself postpartum? Like what do you mean postpartum? Post-dizzle partom. Thank you. Like a day after. And obviously you looked great then, but it must feel so different now to like not be a day after giving birth. Yes. Well, after my second, I did Ozempic, but I'm not doing Ozempi this time.

Do people not believe you? They don't believe me. And I'm like, you guys, I promise you. I'm counting macros this time. Yeah. But I did do it after my second. And I was so sick on it. I had diarrhea. I was throwing up all the time. Like, I don't know how the girls stay on it. Because you hear so many stories. Like, it's, when I had opinions on it, I

regret it now. I used to be very harsh. Like, when it just came out, I would be like, it's only for people with that. Yeah. Now I get it. Like, if you want to take it, take it. But I've heard personally from people, I know that, like, got some, like, infection. How to stop taking it? Throwing off all the time diet. So I think like taking it is like brave in and of itself because you you get there are side effects. There are side effects. The things we do to be skinny. Yeah, but it really is interesting because I am also postpartum. Yeah. And I started working with a nutritionist and it was so funny because one day I go to my husband like and I got in the skin and I like started losing some weight finally. It was really hard. Yeah. And I go, oh my God, like I lost six pounds like blah blah. And he was like that's so

great and he's so supportive. And he's happy for me that like that makes me happy. And then I was like, oh, my God, I hope people don't think I'm like on OZemPEC. And immediately he goes and you're like, okay, calm down. Like, you lost six pounds. Like, first of all, six pounds is a lot. No, it is a lot. It is. But he was just like, calm down.

Nobody's like thinking you lost 100 pounds overnight and that you are on OZemPEC. I love it. But that there is something about that we're like, now you can't even lose baby weight or do it the healthy way without people. Not judging OZMPIC. She took Ozambac. I'm like scared of the haters. I know.

But. Without, so you're saying you're open about it, you're opening, you're open about taking it after the second kid. But this time. No, because I was so sick on it. I refuse to do it again. Yeah. And then when I got off of it, I gained all of that way back. So I was like, it's just not worth it. I need to figure out something for the long haul. Yeah. Which is counting, I've been counting my macros and I love it. It's a lot. The fats and the carbs. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. I enjoy it. Good for you. Thank you. Good for you. Thanks. How was it filming so was it literally through? days? Like how many days? No, it literally was. It was a lot. But honestly, like, blessing and disguise, because I think it mellowed me out a bit because I was like, I wasn't sleeping. I mean, yeah, you know, I'm not sleeping. So what mellowed you out? Like, just my personality. Oh, you mean like you were like, chilling. You were like chiller on the show this season? I feel like I was. Okay. Yeah. I see what I mean. Now I'm getting flashbacks to you literally on a pole. So I don't know like how like chill. I guess I mean more so like in confrontation. I got.

kind of was just like, wait, remind me what we're talking about again? I'm still riding for you, but I was riding and I was like, you're doing so good, you're doing so good, sweetie, you're doing amazing, sweetie, and then you turned at the end. Oh, with the whole Taylor thing. You were so sweet with Jen. Yeah. Like, and really, it was so nice to see like a real friendship for a second, you know, because there's so much, I mean, Macy said it too.

It's like you're scared to say something, someone will use it against you. I feel like with Jen, it was so genuine. You wouldn't talk shit about her. You didn't get, you didn't tell everybody what happened, like just the pregnancy part. Then all of a sudden you turned. Yeah, you turned on Taylor and I don't understand why. Let's have in the end. There is so much more.

You have to understand when we're filming scenes, it's like hours long. And then when you watch the show, it's minutes. So there's so much more context. There's so much more that went into that story that just wasn't shown. So you'll never know. But there's just know that there's more to that. Like I wasn't just like. Okay.

Can you tell us? Can you tell us what, okay. No, I can't. Oh, you can't? Wait, no, there are two things, though. There is the dinner. Yeah. When you sat down, all of a sudden, you were like, well, the heat's off me, so let me bring

up Jesse and Demi. Yeah, loved that. Oh, you love that? Yeah, I don't want the heat on me. No, but it wasn't on you. So why not enjoy that for a second? But it always is if somebody, like, so Jen wasn't there at that event, at that trip. Yeah.

Because if she was there, then she would have been in a hot seat. Okay. So I was like, I knew I was going. just happens naturally. So I knew it was going to be. So I was like, what's going on over here? Stop. Yeah. But people were forgiving you. Everyone was in the good. Yeah. You were kind of on your way to being back into mom talk. Yeah. I mean, you did, you didn't get the votes though. No, I didn't vote. It didn't. It was like a half-ass vote.

How did that feel? It sucked. Yeah. I was like, I don't really know how to take that. Like, yeah. It didn't feel. great. How does one's like ego stand there? Yeah. And have people be like, no. Like, I don't know if I could. How do you disassociate from people just looking in the face, spending time with you, whatever, but then saying, rejecting you. Yeah. These are really great questions. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I think that I just, well,

one, again, I'm like sleep deprived. So I think Whitney now probably would have handled that situation a little bit differently. I probably would have been like, dude, what the fuck? Right. But I think just in that moment, I was just like, okay, great. Your eyes did seem, I don't know if, again, it was like postpartum tired, but you did seem kind of like bloodshot in a few scenes where like it looked like you were going to cry a little bit. Oh, really? Yeah. You're like, nope.

I wasn't going to cry, but just like looking back at that later, I was just like, that was like a half-ass vote. And also, when I even mentioned it, it was a joke. But then it turned into this like thing. Like this real vote. Yes. And I'm like, can we like vote to ban the vote? Yeah. Like it's so weird.

Yeah. Why does Michaela hate you so much? Do you know? Because I don't know. No, I have no idea. I have no idea. We don't get a real explanation I don't think on this show. Aside from what we know, the drama of season one.

Yeah. And I don't think people ever will because before we even film the show, me, Macy Michaela, were so close. Like. best friends, three amigas, like such a close relationship. So people didn't really see that. So I think that's what made it even more confusing. But I don't think it was one thing that Michaela's like this.

I think it was just a lot of other things. And I also think she's going through things in her personal life where I just like became like the punching bag, which I don't want to justify. Because I think what she did was completely unwarranted. But that's the perspective I like to have. I think I was just a punching bag. Okay, but when you did the unfollow, the mass unfollow, she was one of the people you unfollow. Yeah.

So maybe she's just super hurt because you were actually close and you unfollowed her. But then we cleared that up. You did. And then she was still upset. So I think it was just maybe she just wanted to be upset. You know, and like, you just want to be upset because you're just pissed. Like even if you have a conversation, you're still pissed about it. So maybe it just is taking her a little bit longer to get over it.

I don't know. But she, yeah, she really doesn't want. want to be friends again. And that's okay because I don't either. Oh, you don't either anymore? No, I do not. Okay. So Macy trying to like reconnect you to, you gave out after that scene?

Honestly, I like don't even really think that Macy cares anymore because like when I look back at that, I feel like she chose a side and she chose Michaela's side. And I think that she kind of just left me hanging because I was the villain. And I don't think anybody really wanted to get close to me. because they were scared of people being upset, like, by association. But Macy did. But she was, she did, maybe she kept you on, like, a low fire, like a, you know, like, not like, Whitney's my best friend, everyone except her.

But she was friends with you in season two. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. You didn't appreciate it. You didn't feel like. I don't think that we were. No.

I think it was just, no. Absolutely not. No. No. Did it hurt you to watch that scene back where she was saying sisterhood? to get out of the convo with you three times? Yeah, because that conversation was really hard to have. Like, I got so emotional in that conversation.

Yeah. And I don't think you see that. I don't remember people saying. I don't, yeah. Yeah, I was so emotional. So to, like, make it like a game, I was like, dude, like, fuck you guys. Like, what the hell? Does that feel really like high school to you?

Oh, it was so high school. And you're also older than them, right? Yeah. I'm 32. You're 32. And they're like 28? Well, no. Macy's like 28, I think.

But Michaela's a baby. She's a baby. She's 25. So does that feel like... I think she's 25. Did that feel like part of it for you? Like, do you feel like they're more mature? No, because that's never how it was before.

Okay. So I just think that, yeah, I don't know. Emotions are heightened when you're in reality TV. You can just naturally. But yeah, that was like an eye roll for sure. So I was like, dude. Like, Macy knew how hard that conversation was for me before, like how much, how scared I was even going in it. so like to make it a game.

Like you've like betrayed maybe more by Macy because you were friends at that point. I think Macy just didn't know how to be a friend of both of us and I can see how that can be hard to navigate. Well, they do seem like two peas in a pot in this season. Yeah.

Yeah. So who did you feel like this season? I feel like Taylor and you were cool. Yeah. Until you... But you picked the wrong side, Whitney. Hey, I like the side I think. So I'll stick with that.

But Taylor was into you. She was one of the people like willing to accept. up to you kind of back and blah, blah, blah. So what was the reason, what can you tell us about, like, why you did, I mean, now that you voted her off, but you were kind of more Team Demi in that. I wouldn't even say I would, like, chose a team, but, like, there was so much that wasn't shown where I just didn't like how people were being treated.

Like, why are we ganging up on this person right now? Like, and why is that, like, the culture of that? Like, why do we have to kick people when they're down? Yeah. It just seems so incredibly unnecessary. And I felt like that's what was happening with Demi. Dimmie, right. Sorry, Demi.

Demi. Demi, yeah. And Layla showing, were you on that group text that Layla showed Taylor? I was not, thank God. Yeah, that's, I mean, showing someone an entire group chat about them. That was naughty. And that was like, she didn't have to. It's not like Taylor was like demanding it.

No. Like Taylor wasn't like, show me what you're talking about right now. Yeah, no, that was weird for sure. Do you want to see this group chat all talking shit about you? Yeah. Why do you think she did that? I don't know. I think that some people get scared of Taylor's following.

And so they always want. to be on her good side. Uh-huh. But it's like, if Taylor does me dirty, like, I don't owe her anything. Like, I'm so happy that she did that, but that's how she felt. But, I mean, if then you're going to do me dirty, then, like, I'm going to have my own feelings and I'm going to process those feelings. But I think a lot of women in the group were scared to, like, do Taylor wrong because, yeah.

Because she, is she technically, like, the leader of mom talk? Okay, this is the thing. Let's know. Who's the leader? There is a difference. Between the star of the show, which is Taylor. It's obviously Taylor. Taylor's the star of the show.

And the leader. Taylor's not the leader of Mom Talk. Okay. Taylor never like gets like the people, us together, never really did. Like way, way in the past, even when I was invited to things, it wasn't from Taylor. Okay. But she's the star of the show for sure. So I think there's just, there's a difference.

Oh. And she doesn't even want to be the leader. She's got so much shit going on in her personal life. And the leader would be somebody that's organizing like content days. Yeah, or just like trying to get the group together. or like help a situation, like, let's go through the situation rather than making it worse than it already is. Like, that's how I see it.

Who's doing that then? I feel like me and Jesse probably do it the most. Yeah. Like, probably like, Jesse's on better terms with everyone in the group than I am. So I like kind of straight away from that. I don't think because I even tried to get everyone together after we filmed season two. But I think like emotions were still a little too high heightened because I'm like, I feel like we need like a regroup without cameras.

Yeah. And nobody was interested in it. I love, though. I love when you break the fourth wall when anyone does. And you did it this season. Yeah, we did. When you were like, well, we're on a reality show. So of course, I'm going to try to talk to you about it when the cameras are here.

Which is funny because we did talk about it. We did have conversation via voice memo. And I saw her at an event. And I was like, after I saw her, I was like, oh, I feel like there's like animosity there. Like, are we good? Yeah. and said sorry and everything, and it was received. So it was so weird to, like, have that conversation and then see the backlash that I got

from her online. And then it, and then I got resentful. So you started making videos with Demi. Yes. She's my girl. I love her. I don't care. I love her.

You're really feeling Demi right now. Yeah, I love her, yeah. How do you feel about the world turning on her? Oh, man. Well, it sucks. It sucks. But, like, people have to understand that, like, if there's a camera following you around and they're only showing like your worst moments like which is what happened to me season one like

obviously you're going to be the bad guy yeah and there's just more context to what happened that i saw that i'll have the balls to say but are we going to see that on season three you don't know we'll find out together but i think just like let's give people grace and understand that one you never really know what someone's going through and two there's oh i love this gift it's it's who's megan's Prince. Megan, who? Harry, sorry, Harry. Harry.

Sorry, Harry. There's a picture of him going like this, and he's coming out of a cab. Oh, and then from the other side, it looks like he's flipping off people. But then from this side, he's being like, okay, like this. Uh-huh. Just know there's always two sides to the story. Okay. And you're only being shown one.

Okay. Yeah. But then on podcasts and stuff, you're supposed to tell the other time. But then, like, contractually, there's only so much I can see. But I think just, like, knowing that and, like, knowing that I really don't think anyone in the group is intentionally being malicious and cruel and evil. Well, if Demi is very close friends with Jesse, Jesse seems like a really loyal friend and we find out that she wanted to get her off the show. Yeah. That's not a great friend moment.

And Demi knows that she did a wrong in that for sure. And then there's a hair. But you also have to understand because I. I wasn't even sure if I was going to come back season two that there were conversations about the contract that apparently Jesse didn't agree with. So it wasn't just to me that was upset about it. There were other women involved.

I don't know exactly who that was, but then, like, unfortunately, I think it's because it was her best friend that it, like, kind of hurt. But it wasn't just to me that was, like, annoyed by it. Okay. Yeah. I got you.

Right. But she is her best friend. Right. You want your best friend behind her back being like, well... No, well, then you can leave. Yeah, no. And she knows that.

She does. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah. There's the hair situation that she told Taylor not to go there. And there's the like, I'm the fan favorite asking Layla how much they made at the event. I mean, this seems to be really a point of contention for her, like the brand deals, the money. Like how much is that part of the mom talk world, like competition over the brand deals and shit like that?

I mean, I try to stay out of those conversations because I think it's very personal. Yeah. But like, I mean, that is weird to be asked. Like, getting that text, like, how much you make? Like, that's bizarre. No, I think, I mean, I don't want to speak for DeMe. Yeah. But I would think that it's probably just because maybe she got something similar.

And she wants to make sure that she's being, that she can negotiate fairly. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't think she was like, oh, like, I don't know. At least that's what. You are seeing the, you are seeing the, I mean, I feel like maybe part of you because you went through this after season one that you kind of feel for her. For sure, I do. And just like I did in the beginning of season two for Jen. Like, I think she was naturally, like, starting to be separated from the group.

And it's like, I, like, no one should have to feel that way. But who did that for you? No one. Okay. So maybe I'm just, I want to be the person that I wanted after season one. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be right back after the break.

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And we're back. How can you look at all these women and be cool with some of them when you're like, wow, you really treated me like shit, you know? And maybe you will again. I mean, Macy even said it. Like, you don't know in this group like. Yeah. Who's going to be actually...

Change tomorrow. Right. So how do you protect yourself in that? Like, do you not share everything? Yes. I've definitely a little bit more guarded with certain people in the group. Yeah. But you also have to remember that it wasn't like this before, but it's so much of a business now, too.

Yeah. So it's almost like kind of to suck it up. Like, it's your coworker too. So you suck it up. Right. You can have relationships with some... I mean, naturally, you're going to gravitate toward people in a workplace. Right.

But it's just crazy to me that, like, that's where we are. but that's what it is. Right. So. It was hard to, like, kind of change. Like, I've got, I've had a different mindset where I'm like, you are my co-worker. Right. We create entertainment together.

Yeah. You are my friend. I will be vulnerable with you. Kind of like that. It's kind of like, do you watch any of the housewives and stuff like that? I do watch the Salt Lake housewives. Oh, that's funny. I mean, I watched like the NYC one.

Okay. Yeah. So it's kind of like that where like, you'll watch confessions, they talk shit about each other. They won't like not be friends out. after they'll film another season. Yeah. Kind of got to suck it up. Huh? I said you kind of just got to suck it up.

But what's the hardest part about is it watching confessionals back or people talking behind your back? I think it's just, no, I actually think it's like watching conversations and being like, there's more to this story. Like, there's more to that. Like I like, ah. Yeah. But it's out of my control.

So you're just like, okay. So who are you close with now? Demi. Demi. De Me. Is it? I mean. You two against the world?

I mean. I would say I'm cordial with every single person in the group, even Michaela. Like, we're good. Everyone's okay. I'm okay with everyone. Yeah. But I'm definitely the closest with the me. Like, we talk every day.

You do. Yeah. And how is she doing mentally? She's doing okay. Like, I think that, I mean, it sucks. And it's so funny. Sometimes when I, like, read comments, I'm like, who is writing this? Who is going out of their way to, like, say something like that?

But, I mean, you've experienced that. Yeah, it sucks. Like, what was, like, the worst that you experienced at the height of it? everyone like the worst comment like bullying you online oh i think well the worst was when and demi hasn't done or none of the women have been doing this to demi and it's probably because i was so vocal about how much it hurt me it hurt the most when the other women were like creating videos like making fun of me or like yeah loki like harassing bullying me and like feeding into this narrative yeah um more hurtful from them because you know them than strangers yeah yeah

But I love that nobody is doing that to Demi. So I'm happy because I think it would make things worse. That's great. We're learning. That's great. Yeah, we're growing. Wait, so give me a little bit of context to before the show. Okay.

So before the show, who are you friends with IRL? Macy Mikaela. You Macy and Michaela know each other. Yes. Do videos together. Would hang out all the time, make videos together. I mean, we would get together as a group like Taylor and everyone else, but, like, I mainly got together with Macy and Michaela.

I see. Yeah. And then when the show came about, how did it find you? So it's funny. We, at the time, we're all at the same agency or management group. And we were like, oh, how funny. Like, we have so much trauma. How funny it would be if we had, like, a reality show?

And there were no bites. And then Taylor's scandal broke out. And then everyone was like, okay, wait a second. Like, can you imagine if that, if we had a reality show during that time of the scandal would have just been insane. You guys actually pitched it for real? For real. Or you just threw it out there as like, or there was a real pitch going on. No, I think, I don't know how real it was, but like from what I was told is like our management was like talking out there, putting it out there, putting it out there, no bites.

And then the scandal happened and then like everyone wanted a piece of this pie. Wow. Yeah. It was pretty cool. And tell me about living the scandal. Like you weren't in it. No. But was it the whole town was whispering?

Like what were the vibes? Oh, yeah. It was, it's like, I can. could just feel like, you know, you could feel like somebody's looking at you, like, when I'd go out. It would be like, is she in it or is she not? Yes. Yeah.

And I mean, I got a lot of views on my social, so that's great. Because they were like watching to see whether. If I was going to come out and say I was a swinger. Did you care? Like, did it affect you? Like, oh, my God, I want people to think that I do this. No, because I didn't. You're like meant to be a reality star Whitney.

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, because you generally don't fucking give a shit. I don't give a shit. Well, I will say. though, that's changed because I did a lot during season one. And I think that's what fucked me over. That's what F me over. No, you can say. You can say. Okay. Okay. Because I was so like I don't want to be the bad guy. I don't want to be like. And then I turn it to the bad guy. It's like it almost

like I like manifested that. Oh, really? But then I feel like now that needed to happen. It really did because of who I am today. Oh, my God. You know what you're doing? You're throwing me back to that episode where Macy asked you if you regret and not going to baby mama. Oh, God. And you said, which I understood what you said. Yeah. You said, no, because, like, I learned from it and, like, I, you know. Yeah. And she was like, do you regret it or not?

Yeah. You're very stubborn. I know. What, what a sign are you? I'm a tourist. Oh. A tourist is stubborn? You are.

Oh, you are. Oh. No, you wouldn't. I'm like, fucking give it to her. Just tell her, like, fine, I regret. You couldn't. I know. I know.

Like, it was, you were like, no, because it was. You know what it reminds me? Fights like with my sister. It's like that kind of vibe. Yeah. We're like neither person is just like budging. Yeah. I will say a little teaser.

Maybe it happens the next 10 that are released. Wait, what? What happens? Like maybe we have that conversation again. Oh, okay. And maybe it ends better in it? Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah. I hope so. Me too. Yeah. But you also didn't go to Taylor's. Oh, yeah, the baby shower. Yeah. That was like I'm trying.

I didn't re-watch season one before two, which now I kind of wish I did, because, like, I forget, like, the moment by moment. Yeah. But why didn't you go? I just, I felt like it was completely out of nowhere. Like, we just, like, we weren't friends. Like, I feel like that was such, like, a friend thing to do. Like, even when Mom Talk was Mom Talk, like, I didn't feel like we were, like, really close friends. But she came to yours this season.

I know. I told her. I said, if you didn't come, I would have had my mom call you. So, good thing you came. But did you expect her to come? I did. Because we were good. Like, our friendship, we had rekindled the friendship and create, like, a relationship was happening. Right. But do you see my disconnect where, like, you rekindled it and then you turned on her and you're telling me you don't know why and I can't tell you why? Yeah. I totally get it. I'm sorry. That's frustrating.

I'm being gas for you guys. I don't know what to do. What am I going to do? Do you feel like now the tides have turned season two? You're saying you were chill or postpartum. For sure. Do you feel like the audience is embracing? Do you think that people that were against you are now with you? Like, what's your feeling? I know. It's so funny when I do these interviews, people would be like, oh, like, people like you. I'm like, they do.

Like, that's great. Like, I try to not. I mean, obviously, you want people to like you now. For sure. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm a human, I'm in the entertainment industry. Like, I want people to like me. Yeah.

But I don't know. I'm like, we'll see how long it lasts. You're ready. Wow. Stop. I mean, I don't know. Like, I just, like, I honestly, like, I just, I'm tired. I don't really care.

Like, it's just not worth it. Wow. It's worth it to me when it's people that I know. You put out a video. Yeah. Do you look at the comments? I do in the beginning. Okay.

And then I don't look at them anymore. Okay. And in the beginning, it's always like, fire, hot, yes, clean, sleigh. Like, it's always, like, positive. Yeah. Because, and I don't know why. Yeah. And, like, why it's only in the beginning.

And then I just, I stay off of it. Okay. Yeah. So how does Connor feel about it? like the social media presence, the show. Yeah. Like does he ever say like it's going to be too much or maybe what's his vibe? I'd say right now it's felt like a lot because I have like we have three kids now and like

I've been gone a lot and then filming the show and so like we're still trying to figure that out like trying to navigate it because yeah, I'm not used to like being away from my family this much. Yeah. Yeah. How was that? So how many days postpartum did you start filming season two? It was three.

It was three days. I can't believe it was. How did the fuck did you do that? I don't even know. Lots of caffeine. I'm a caffeine addict. And you were pumping? Uh-huh.

But you were also like breastfeeding. Uh-huh. Yeah. I would be pumping like while we're on these girls trips. I know. I saw. Oh yeah. You were with the handpound.

Yeah. Had to stay on top of it. That's wild. That's dedication right there. Yeah. Did you have thoughts about it? Were you thinking maybe I don't go film on the third? Like right when they start like, like,

Or was it like, I'm doing whatever needs to be done? I'm doing whatever needs to be done. Wow. Yeah. Did you have any guilt? I think I just, it's so hard because, and maybe I'm happy that I was so unbothered because I didn't want to bring that energy home. That was like my main thing. It's like, how can I do my best to not bring this tension and chaos home to this new baby?

And I feel like I did a really good job doing that. And Connor helped me navigate it. I would just talk and talk and talk. Was he by himself with the three kids? of help. Oh, no, it was him. Shut the fuck up. Yeah, he's amazing. Wait, no nanny no nothing? No. I mean, I'd have a sitter if, like, he was needed to. Like, if

both of us obviously had to leave, but when it was just him, it's just him. And how old are the kids? Like the baby? Yeah, so well, now, because he's at home just them right now. So, five-year-old, three-year-old, and now he's seven months old. I'm dead. Yeah, he's amazing. Wait, how does he do three kids by himself? Can you do three kids?

Absolutely. I'm like, if I could do it, he can do it, wait, so you can handle the three kids in your own, too. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I would love to have someone on hand. We would talk about it all the time. Yeah. This is just another sign where I'm like, I really need to find someone, like on hand. Yeah. To like help you. Yes. Because like we'll find a sitter and I live around a lot of family where it's both of us are gone. Then obviously. Oh, your family can sit in. Yeah. Okay. But I do think it's time for some extra help. Yeah. I say so if anyone's, if anyone's looking for a job. I mean, the brand deals are coming. So like, fucking shell it out, you know?

No, it's amazing if you do it all on your own, you guys. I'm just saying it's hard if you work. Well, and Conner works too. He works from home. Oh, right. Yeah, but his job is very task oriented. So it's like he completes the task and then he's done for the day. How does he feel about like working a normie job and then being on reality TV?

Is he scared people are going to see shit and judge him? He's just along for the ride. I love that. Yeah? Yeah. He just supports me like no other. And he doesn't even have social media either. Oh, he doesn't have?

No. He's not on social media. Yeah. So I always like have to like download the video. and then send, like, texted him and be like, look at this one. Like, it's so cute. That is really cute. Yeah.

You guys met on somebody set you up? Yeah, we were set up on a blind date. Yeah. Blind dates do work sometimes, yeah. How many years ago was this? So that would have been, oh gosh, we're coming up on our nine year anniversary. Wow. Yeah.

How did he do in supporting you after like season one? Did he really show up for you in a big way? Oh, absolutely. Like, he was the only one. Yeah. And I think, like, it was hard for him seeing me in that space. Yeah. Because he's like, why are, like, you doing this to yourself?

But which is funny because he also was the one that really helped me come back and, like, have those hard conversations. Because I was, like, so resentful and just kind of, like, pissed off and just, like, wanted to say, like, fuck you to everyone. Wait, and they threw, I mean, he got in the hot seat, too. Were you expecting that to happen? You mean season one? Right. When was he in the hot seat, season one? wasn't that season one when with the with the porn addiction stuff but like only with me like it was

never like it's never like but like did you plan on filming that and like sharing such a thing with the world I wanted that to be up to Connor because I felt like it was more of his story I mean it did affect me but it's like I feel like this is more of your story than mine yeah and he was totally comfortable sharing it like it happened so naturally when we did first share it like he just like started talking about it and And then I was just like, whoa, like, he's sharing this. So I'll just continue to talk about it with him. And then obviously, we talked about it more and more after we did for the first time. We'll be right back after the break.

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I didn't even know what it was. Oh, really? I didn't. Oh, it's not like a Mormon thing? No. Oh, okay. I don't know. I guess it is.

Everyone now says that, but like not only about. your show or Mormon stuff. People are saying that about like actors now and I'm like, can we not start? Why do I feel like now but everyone's saying now that all of our husbands are gay?

Oh, all of them. Yes. I think it's so funny. Connor's not alone. He's not alone. How did he take those rumors? He just didn't care. Like it's just like

people are going to say whatever they're like it's just funny. Like yeah. It's whatever. Sometimes we'll actually play into it. Really? Like on social media. Yeah.

Like some of our videos just, you know, get some extra views. No, I cannot with you. Are you being serious? I think she's delirious. You guys, she did a lot of press today. What do you mean extra views? What aren't you willing to do for extra views, Whitney?

I know. Oh, my God. Like a lot. Like what? I mean. You actually are, you're like, you're like the Spencer Pratt of our generation. I'll take it. I love that, man.

I'll take it. That's funny because I met him at an event, at a who event, him and Heidi. and they were talking to me and I and they're just like, who cares? Like, who cares? Well, you know what he said. He was on my pod

and he said something about the hills then. He was like, I knew that I wanted to like stand out, be famous, get rich, blah, blah, blah. And I knew it was way easier to get people to hate me than to get people to like me. Oh, wow. So you like played that up.

Yeah. But obviously, you want people to like you. Yeah. So how does it feel when people still to this day reference the... Oh, the RSA video. I mean, I think back then I still like was connected to it.

But I mean, like, now I'm just like, ha ha ha ha. That's your son, right? Who's how old now? Yes, he's three now. Three now. It turns four this year. And was it a like a rough case of RISV then?

Oh, no, it was really bad. But when I made the video, he was doing better. Yeah. But then when I, like right after I posted that, that next day he was doing worse. So it was like he was doing worse. And then on top of that, I'm like getting all of these calls from like family and friends being like, dude, you good? I'm just like, what are you talking about?

Like I didn't even because it had been up, I think, for 24 hours. Like I didn't even know what was happening with that video. And even know it was like taking a turn and like in a negative way. And then my husband called me is like, you need to take that. Like I just. Did you take it down? Yeah, I did take it down. Because you like unlike other things like with that, you did understand.

where people were coming from. Oh, no, for sure. I did. Yeah. Yeah. But how did you, like, defend yourself against that? Like, that it was just. I think I just, I apologize.

And I was like, oh, I can totally, like, see. This is after Liam's doing better because I was, I wasn't even focused on that video. Correct. I was in the hospital. Yeah. Wearing diapers because they just gave birth, like, very hormonal. So I needed some time before, like, I came out and said anything. And also, I didn't really have a big platform then.

It was really small, so I was like, this is crazy. Yeah. But, yeah, I hate that's, like, such a part of my life. I love your story. Like, I hate that. Would that be your one kind of regret on social media? Yeah, it's like Kim's sex tape. Like, that's my sex tape, I guess.

It will always haunt me and always be with me. Yeah. Do you think you're done having kids? I am. Yeah? Yeah. Did you do any procedurals? Snip, snip, snip for Connor.

He did the snip snip, snip. Was he a trooper about it? Oh, yeah, for sure, it was. Yeah. I just, like, I've done my ID, I've done birth control, the pill. Like, I just, it's not for me. Okay. Don't love condoms.

Yeah. TMI. CMI. Snip, snap. It's great. Who drinks alcohol in the grope? Jesse does. I know Michaela does every once in a while.

Layla, I've seen Demi take some shots. Anyo. Never? I try champagne once. It's not allowed in Mormonism. It's not. No. So it's like part of the guideline to not drink alcohol.

And what's the explanation? I think just like being able to, I mean, we can all ask God these questions after we die. But like for me, I think it's just because you, when you do drink alcohol, like, you're not in control of yourself. And so it's like, and that usually leads to other things. So I guess just like staying away for it as a whole. Do you judge like bad Mormons? No. Okay.

I don't. So if you have a friend that drinks, you don't care. No, I have family that drinks. Okay, okay. Like, my grandmother drinks, wine every night. So you just make the choice for yourself. Yeah. Are you more religious than the rest of your family?

I would say, oh, my family, no. Oh, but your grandmother. But, well, my dad's a convert, so my grandmother's actually not born. Oh, okay. And so, yeah, like his side of the family. Yeah, love her. Absolutely. Like his side of the family, like, none of them are Mormon.

Yeah. But, no, I have friends that drink, neighbors that drink, like, it doesn't bother. me. Okay. Connor doesn't. No. So what's this ketamine loophole? The Mormon loophole?

The fucking ketamine spa therapy. Like, what the fuck? I love it. Couldn't it be like a weed spa? Like, it has to be something hardcore like ketamine? Oh my gosh. That drug is really. I've only done it once.

And it was a lot. And you have to do it in what setting? In a professional setting? It is in a professional setting. Like a doctor is overseeing it. And that doesn't sound like a fun high to like get it with a doctor. Well, they'll leave you in the room. So, like, he'll, you know, hook up the IV and everything.

Make sure that you're comfy. Turn down the lights. And he'll say, I don't even remember how long it was. But, like, you'll be in here for X amount of minutes. I'll come in and, like, slowly, like, get you to wake up, basically from it. Like, I shouldn't say wake up. I'm so scared. I shouldn't say wake up.

Like, you know, get out of it. Okay. Out of the high. And can you do it with a friend? Yes. And this doctor's office is like, do you get it prescribed? Is it free? I need all the, done all the things.

It's not like a prescription, I think, like, at least for me. What is it, a medspar or doctor, doctor? It's both. Okay. Yeah. They've got them everywhere in Utah. Is it legal? Yeah.

So you go, did you, when you did it, was it alone? No, I did it with Demi and Taylor. But when I went, Taylor was already in her session, so we didn't really get a talk, but us three went together. Yeah. Actually, I think Dakota was there, too. Wait, what do you do in your session? Oh, man.

It's different forever. one, but, like, cry a lot. I mean, for Demi, she loves it, but I'll never do it again. I thought it was very dark. How long was it for you? I think I was there for, gosh, it felt like forever. Like, I want to say 30 minutes, but 30 minutes is a long time.

That means it was a bad high if you felt like you were in there forever. Okay, well, I hated it. Okay, good. Well, I hated it. I'll never, do me all the times. Like, you need to do it again. Are you like this? Yes. Like, till the next day. Yeah, like getting out of it, going to sleep that night. it wasn't until that morning I was like, oh my God, like if this is what a hangover feels like Yeah, no, I think the ketamine hangover might be worse than alcohol.

Oh, I hated it. How did this become, like, do you know how it became such a part of the culture? I have no idea. I only found out about it because of DeMeet. Domey was like, oh, you need to go to this. Ketamine therapy. And how is it a Mormon loophole, though? I think it's just because it's not like recreational or it's like for like therapy.

So it's okay. So what if it feels? it was like cocaine for therapy. It would be okay? I guess so. Or weed for therapy. I don't know. Or psychedelic.

I mean, they do you. Sechedelics. Weed, right, because if you're prescribed it, like if you have pain somewhere, yeah, Mormons are right. Yeah. It gives me tremendous anxiety, this ketamine spa of yours. You should try it. You should let me know when you're in Utah.

I'll take it one. I will never in my life skydive or do ketamine. Okay. Fair. People die, I think, from it. Really? I don't know. Oh, God.

Don't they? She's shaking her head. No, nobody dies from ketamine. Yes, they do. That's literally insane. How is Jen now? I think Jen's a lot better. Yeah?

Yeah, a lot better. Why did I see some, like, Dancing with the Stars video of her? Yeah, she went to, like, their show or something like that. I thought she was being announced as, like, a pregnant cast member. No. And I was like, what is happening? So who do you think would be, like, most likely to do that show? Me?

put me on it. I'm ready. Yeah, you want to. Would that be the dream? Absolutely. No, babe. Traders for you. Oh, I would love to do traitors. I'd love to do traitors. I'd love to do House of Villains. And I would love to do Dancing with the Stars. For sure. Top three? Absolutely. Yeah. You were saying before we started recording that you're like a big into manifesting. Yes. So what did you manifest being on reality TV? I guess I did. In what way? Like, do you remember? Like, did you want to be famous? Of course. I've always. loved the entertainment industry. I feel like I always knew that I was like going to be a part of

that. I just didn't really know how. And I've growing up always was in theater, acting, dancing, like all the things entertainment. Anything to get attention. I was there. But man, if I were to manifest, oh, the reality show, I think just like we would talk about it, but like in a joking way. And then we got it. Like someone needs to be following us around kind of thing. Yes. Like you, like, do you ever like families will say like, oh my God, like we need a reality. show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we would say, like, oh, my God, we need a reality show, and then we go.

But did you guys really refer to yourselves as mom talk before the cameras? No. In this amount? I, yes. Actually, I take that back. We did. Because I'm thinking about all of the videos that we made before the reality show, and we'd always say, like, mom talk, always.

Really? Yeah. So how, yeah. Yeah. She's like, mm-hmm. So how would you define it? What is mom talk? Is it the girls that are making the videos?

Yeah. Is it a group chat? Is it the show? Yeah, I think it's everything but the group chat. I think it's the making, because I'm not even in, Me and to me, aren't even in that group chat. Okay. I mean, there's like this main group chat and then there's like, you know, little

breakoffs that everyone has. Yeah. But I think it's being a part of the show, being a part of the group. Like, it's almost just like a, you got to, you say it. Wait, so who's officially in Mom Talk now? Everyone that you see on the show. Okay, so you are in Mom Talk. Yeah.

So it's a bullshit voted-in-voted-out thing. First off, the whole voting thing, I said that as a joke. No, I know. Okay. And then everyone took it seriously. And so I'm voting to ban the vote. Let's not do that. What about Miranda?

Is she and mom talk then? Guess we'll find out. Okay, is there a vote season three? God, I hope not. I feel bad for Miranda a little bit in season two. Really? No, she seems really sweet. She is.

And she's just kind of there. Yeah. And she's kind of like, am I even part of this thing? Like, no one's like, she wasn't asked to vote on the vote. You know what I mean? I love it. I do know what you mean. But it's wild to then, like, you know, she was actually part of this scandal.

Yes. She's like the OG. She's an OG Swinga. Yeah. Do you think that Demi and Brett are pretending to have this, like, perfect marriage? Or do they really? Oh, gosh. I think that they really do.

Really? Yeah. I mean, Connor and I have hung out with them a lot and they have a great relationship. Did she meet him when she was? was nine. Like the TikToks are saying? I know that I don't know if she was nine, but he's a family friend. Okay. So like I know that she was really, I mean, there's a huge age gap. So I know that she was young and he was older, but I don't know exactly what the ages were when they like officially met for the first time. What can you say about this Marciano thing? And why weren't you in Italy?

Because I didn't want to go. Oh, you were asked to go. No, this was after. Yeah, no, we were all were asked to go. But me, Macy and Taylor decided not to go. Yeah. Why? Why? What was your reason? I just didn't want to. I was so tired. Really? Yeah, I just didn't want to. But you're all about the views.

Could have gotten more views. I guess so. But I'm grateful I didn't go now. I know. Maybe you would have, like something would have went down with you and Marciano. Oh, gosh. Thank God. Is he such a hot command that everyone couldn't, like, be around him without getting into a fair rumor?

I don't know. Like, maybe it was like the ambience and the mood of being in Italy. Like, I don't know. But I'm really happy. didn't go with, like, everything that's happening right now. What's the biggest, like, T you heard from Vanderpump Villa, like, that you can share? I mean, we heard it at the end of season two. Yeah.

That's what I heard. About Jesse and Marciano. Well, are you happy for your friend Demi that the heat was taken off her and Marciano? I mean, I don't know, because so much is happening online. Right. That ever, I think everyone's just really confused. They're like, what's going on right now? And we're going to get clarity, yeah?

We're going to get clarity. and I'm really excited for when that happens because I know everybody wants it yesterday. Does everyone hate Marciano now? In the group? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because he's doing too much.

Yeah. How the hell did he insert himself in Mom Talk? I have no idea. I vote to vote out Marciano. There we go. From Mom Talk. I love it. Let's do it.

Has he even been to Utah? I don't think so. I don't know. I've never met him. You've never met him. Never met him. What about the season desist against Jen? Oh, well, Demi never gave her one.

I think like she had talked about it, but she never gave her one. Oh, okay. Yeah. So it's fake news, kind of? Basically. Do you think that Taylor really doesn't know how to be a friend, like a lot of you guys were saying? I think that Taylor has had a lot of problems in the past with relationships that she's, like, navigating in real time. And also, like, no, I don't think she knows how to be a friend right now because she's,

has so much going on. Like she has two baby daddies now. She's like just navigating this, like being a star of this show. Like she has a lot on her plate that no, I don't think she knows how to do that right now. If you had a reunion, like Bravo style, okay. Who do you think like would get most of the heat? Me, always. They love giving me the hot seat. Yeah. I don't know why. Yeah. Maybe I'm too reactionary. I need to like. I need to get pregnant. I need to get pregnant again. Yeah, there you go. Can you tell us anything? You're filming now for season three.

Yeah. Can you give us any scoop a loop? Ooh. We got a little maybe baby mama, but like, okay. Yeah. What else? Yeah. I think just, I just think it's going to be different than any season,

than one and two, like so different. So different. Like, even more of breaking the fourth wall with that, which I think is really exciting. I love that. I love it. I think that, because it is interesting. People want to know, like, the behind the scenes of the behind Right, because we're not dumb-dums.

We don't have to pretend. We all know. So I think we're going to see more of that. Okay. And, yeah, I know, like, all of the Marciano stuff is going to get answered for everyone. So now that you're counting your macros, just the question I'm interested in. Yeah. You can drink the swigs.

No, I do drink the swigs, but the swig that I drink is the base is a sparkling water, and then I add different purees, but the purees I add are, like, sugar-free. So it's still delicious. It's bad for you, but it's not fattening. No. Got it. I still count it. But you still count out.

Yeah. You said he wanted to start acting. Yes. Are you doing any like auditions and stuff? Yeah. I've had some really cool scripts come across my desk, which is really cool. Come across my desk. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. I'm like, I don't know. Across my lap. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. And yeah, I've been able to put myself on tape for some really cool roles.

So I'm really grateful. Yeah. And you said you watched Salt Lake, Real Housewives. Yes. Yeah. Would you ever go on it? I mean. Gosh, I don't know.

Maybe. Like, do you see this reality? I did do something with Whitney a little bit ago. We, like, did, like, a heretic. Did you ever see a heretic with you, Grant? Oh, no, when he's like, he's like a villain. No, I didn't, even though I love him. It's really good.

You need to see it. It's really good. But we, like, hosted a premiere in Salt Lake. Oh, cool. She was a great time. She was so much fun. So, yeah, I mean, if it's a girl's trip, I'll be there. I'll have some fun with them for sure.

Oh, my God. I love it. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's what I got for you, my love. Thank you so much. I'm so excited for season three. I hope it comes out quick because we are done.

That's the thing. It comes out all at once. Everyone binging them. We're ready for more. I know. And that's why they fucking run to TikTok and harass all of you. Yeah, because that's real time. That's real time.

Like you're seeing on TikTok and then like we're playing catch up in the show. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. I know. Well, I'm happy that you're not taking anything to heart. Thank you. Give her the views, you guys.

Give me the view. She gets all the. No, but you're, I mean, you do them, you get them. Thank you. And good for you. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on. You're the best, Amanda.

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