Not Skinny But Not Fat - WHITNEY PORT: FROM THE HILLS TO MOTHERHOOD AND BEYOND

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Long time insta friend Whitney Port joins me today! I’ve watched Whitney on screen from The Hills to The city to the reboot (which she very much wants to block out of memory) and have always appreciated her genuine ways. We’ve continued following her on social media where she rocks her fashionable fits and shares her life, from fertility struggles to rewatch vlogs with her husband Timmy. Whitney talks about it all today including her weight becoming a headline, where she’s at with having a second child and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hi, I'm Mona Van, host of Mona Bated, a podcast where I skip the small talk and dive right into meaningful conversations with friends and experts covering wellness in a relatable and digestible way. We dive into topics from nutrition and mindfulness to spirituality, self-discovery, beauty, and lifestyle. Join me as we explore every angle of well-being from what you put in and on your body, around your body, and in your mind. Join me for new episodes every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. This is Amanda Hirsch from the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast.

You might know me from Not Skinny Bonifut on Instagram where I spend my time talking about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking to shit with your best friends in your living room. You guys, today's episode is going to be such a fun one. You know, I just love talking that, like, friends from the industry are people that I feel like I know because I've followed them for so many years, have seen them on TV in this instance, and then have slid into their DMs, talk to them, chatted with them, and really felt like, okay, are we internet friends?

or is it just me? And then when you meet them, you're like, did we meet in real life? Like, that's how, like, connected you feel? And then you're like, no, I didn't. I just feel like I did. So that's today's guest for me. It's Whitney Port. I've seen Whitney since the Hills, obviously. And even the city, I mean, we were obsessed with as a family. We used to watch it together. And then I love her on Instagram. I love her style. And she's just such a cool person. And we always had such a good vibe. So finally, she was in New York. We made it happen a little potty. We talk about it all. Things get emotional.

Things get deep. Things get fun. So I hope you enjoy this one. Whitney Port, everybody. Also, you guys, pause this right now. And please, please, please do me a favor and go rate and review the podcast wherever you listen. It's super helpful. I appreciate you.

Love you. Finally. Why am I nervous? You are? I don't, I'm like a little. That's silly. Is it not silly? So silly.

Why? I get nervous. I get, I, I'm like a little bit socially awkward and weird. Like, and so I just get nervous before these things. Really? Yeah. I don't know why. Like, I actually wasn't nervous before I went, this morning I went on, like, a news show.

And I wasn't nervous before that. Wait, what? You went on, like, Good Morning America? I went on CBS News mornings. Oh, of course you did. And I wasn't nervous and now I am. Wait. Do you have a publicist?

No. So how does, like, PBS News mornings happen? I work with Paralyms. which is a supplement company. Yeah. And they are working with BabyQuest to fund a round of IVF for a family in need. So I was going on to just like share that story. Yeah.

No, I don't have, I haven't had a publicist. Okay, I'll use a publicist for like a month at a time if it's like fashion week. But I haven't had like a real publicist like full time since like I was on TV. I feel like. And when you were on TV, did you need one? Like, did MTV hook you up? No, MTV didn't hook us up. They had their own in-house, but they weren't on your side.

Like, they didn't have your back. So I had my own. And I shared one with Lauren. I always shared everything with Lauren because I was like, whoever is taking care of Lauren, like, they can take care of me too. So I had like the same agent at UTA as her. And then... Wait, what was...

I'm trying to get the rationale. Well, I was just so new. And I... She had been working in TV for... a while. And she was like, you should meet with my agent. So she was helpful to you. So helpful. Really? That's cool. Yeah. So helpful. So not like jealous, not connecting you. Not that I know of at the time. Yeah, it was really nice. And then I was like, we need to have different agents because you're probably getting all the gigs. Right. You know.

It's become a little bit. Like, we're like kind, we're not the same person, but, you know, we're too girls to the hill. You're thirsty today. Drink up. I'm so thirsty. She's so Thursday. Did I put it here? And I hate water. You hate water. What do you drink? A lot of juices. I drink Coke. I drink Gatorade. Yeah. I'm like all about intuitive eating right now. Just like not thinking about food or whatever I'm putting in my body as good or bad, but just like putting in what I like. So yeah. I mean, Coke is the best drink. I know. It is. I know. It's better than saying Diet Coke. I feel like right now like what influencer isn't hyping up Diet Coke. Is that, I don't know. Oh, it's the newest ones or drink. Stop. Oh, my God. Where have you been?

It's like in a can, in a bottle. Like here, it's the best diners. I'm like, I'm drinking it secretly no. Because I don't want to be included. No, because it's too trendy. No. And also, I like Coke Zero, which is very. I'm obsessed with Coke Z.

Have you ever had Coke Cherry Zero? No. Coke Cherry Zero is so good. And like the mini cans. I did it. And Timmy was, I started doing it. And like, like drinking. I was on.

So I was doing Coke, Jerry. I was in Mexico with my sister and I kept on ordering Cokes and she's like, do you have Cokes every day? And I was like, yeah. Like how many? Like I have like, I would say I have like a Coke a day. Wait, have you let your son try to Coke yet? Yeah.

He's had a Coke a million times. But here's what I feel about kids with food. Yeah. You give it to them, whatever they want. And then they don't want it as much. And then they didn't want it. I thought. So I went with that in mind when I am like, okay with sweets. Yeah. And it didn't do that. But he's still, yeah. He's like, chocolate. Like, you know what I mean? And I'm like, wait, but I give it to you. I don't, I don't deprive you. So why are you obsessed with it? I mean, because it is good. But he's too young to connect to how it, like, makes him feel. Like how the chocolate makes him feel. He's going to get to an age. I feel like sunny started. It was like five years old. And he was like, I think, like, I don't know, I think I'll have dessert.

Like, I would put, you put everything on the plate, you know, the dessert and the dinner. Yeah. And he just got to a point where he just connected to that, like, that food didn't make him feel good. And now my mom thinks she's like, you're giving him everything like you. And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, I had cookies. Like, she acts like, she, like, they were like one cookie, you know, like, very. But then you're putting a label on the.

cookie. And I'm like, that's why I was climbing on ladders to like get to the cookie. Yeah. My best friend was like denied of everything. So when she would come to our house, she would just like, Oh, you had a good snack cabinet? The best. I mean, I was one of five kids and everyone came to our house. Wait, I thought you were four. No, five. It's five like that much different. It is. Yeah. Four is crazy. Five. And I know. And one boy. I want my brother's the oldest and then there's four girls. And who's the oldest girl? My oldest. My oldest. sister Ashley. Ashley doesn't get as much social media love, Ashley. No, she does. Why? She's the best. She is just, I don't know, she's living her own life. Like in California,

in California. I don't know, not as out there, not as. So she doesn't get it, because Paige I know, for people that don't know, Paige is the president of Dear Media, which is huge. And we love her. We love her. Your sister, Jade, is on her Insta. She's on it a lot. She also lives five minutes away from me. Ashley lives the furthest away. But also California. But also California. Like 20 minutes away. Like, like Ashley's doing her own thing.

So she's content. She's not like, why am I not more? I think she, I think that, of course, she would want to be, but she doesn't want to move to the valley. Which, by the way, I started watching the Valley last night. I'm only on the first episode. Wait, did you start watching because you saw that fight? No, I started watching because I feel like I had watched everything else. And my sisters told me that, like, one of the couples' therapists was like a childhood best friend.

And so then I was like, okay, I have to watch this. Oh, that's what got you to watch. You're like, I have to see his appearance. No, the valley is really good. So wait, so Ashley lives far, not shared on stories. Yeah, and she's an event and wedding planner. She planned all of our weddings. Oh, that's so cute.

She's the cutest, really creative. Wait, so it goes Ashley. Ash, it goes Ryan, Ashley, me, Paige, Jade. Wait, so what about Ryan? So Ryan used to work with Paige and I. The three of us did my clothing line together with my dad. Wow. So when I was on this, when I did the city, I pretty much, I decided to do the city

because I was like, I really want to have my own clothing line and like this. What was it called? Remind me? It was called Whitney Eve. Whitney Eve. Whitney Eve. Wait, you're saying was like no longer. No, I don't have Whitney Eve anymore. So I started it with my dad. He was in the like Schmata business in L.A. Like he made. Wait, why you saying Schmata? You know, that's a word of Hebrew.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it's like the goods. Well, it's a word for like rag. Yeah, because they call him like, it was like the rag business. Oh my God. He would like print. That was like what they called his business. Have you not heard that term? I haven't. No. Okay. I hope I'm not saying No, you said it really good. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm like, I'm a Jewish American, I know. I know also is surprisingly you're Jewish. Like, I feel like, right? People are always surprised.

Yeah. I'd say that I'm Jewish. I know. I'm like, what am I supposed to be like? I know. You know? Like, people aren't surprised that I'm Jewish. Why am I so, like, what's so different about me?

What's so Jewish about? Yeah. You know? I'm like, okay. Yeah. No, but I'm in that group. Like, I also. So I remember when Hage told me, I was like, I was like, what?

Like, but then I'm thinking, why? Like, not like our skin tone is so different. Something weird about what. But what's different? I don't know. Between me and you. I don't know. Maybe it's like more of the New York accent that sounds more of like a Jewish American.

I don't, I have no idea. I think like a California girl doesn't give Jew. I sound more like Valley girl. Right. You wouldn't think like Lauren Conrad is Jewish. And people think I'm from. Could you? Hello. A Lauren Katra? I was literally the only Jewish person on that whole franchise. I'm sure.

And they probably didn't even know. No. No. No. Imagine you invited them over for like a lot. For Passover. They're like, what is this? Oh my God. That's wild. You guys know that I am ready to go. I am ready to pop. It's official. And we're just waiting for this baby to come out. Things are going to be different, you know. And one of those things that are different. is that I'm already thinking and planning about using formula with this baby as well, which I didn't with Noah. So I'm already looking at formulas and trying to see what's best. And boy, was I shocked to find out that it is hard to find a good formula for a baby. And thankfully, I was able to find one by heart. It's called. I looked at the ingredients and I was like,

okay, thank God. Thank God there's something good out there. Therefore, formula includes never skim. By heart is the infant formula that is made with only organic, grass-fed whole milk. Never skim. I was shocked to find out that so many formulas use skim milk. Like, why is a baby on a diet? Of course, organic, of course, grass-fed. Like, you want to be giving this tiny little thing, the best thing that they can have, you know? And thankfully, thankfully, thankfully, by heart is now on the market. They have healthy fats in that organic. grass-fed whole milk and just really good ingredients. So I'm so excited and so ready to use this. It's the only American-made formula with globally sourced ingredients to use organic grass-fed

whole milk. So get on that Buy-Hard journey with me, you guys. If you're curious about it, redeem your welcome offer at buyhard.com slash podcast. And my code is not skinny 20 for a limited time. Additional terms and conditions may apply. My code is not skinny 20. You guys know that I'm always here to give you the latest and greatest about our favorite department store, the OG, the Mecca, freaking Macy's everybody. They always have something going on. So, I mean, even if I'm not telling you, go check out Macy's.com. And you'll be like, oh, this sale, that sale, this is new. Now they have the, I mean, they have everything. You can literally live there, like live there. There are beds.

live there. There are sheets, their perfumes, their shoes, their watches. They only need some food. I have food. I got to talk to them about that. Anyway, we're in May. So let me tell you what May is. May is gold month. That means, wait for it, 45% off gold jewelry. Listen, you know, Carrie Bradshaw loves her gold jewelry. So do we. I mean, I am a gold jewelry kind of gal, especially for all like my fun. I mean, that's literally what Carrie says. I'm such an influence that I'll be. But yeah, all my fun jewelry that I like play around with day to day, day day to night. Every day is gold. So 45% off gold jewelry, earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings, everything. Oh, and men's. If you want your man to wear a little, you know, bracelet, necklace,

gold, that's hot. It's really hot. You don't have to take it off in the shower because it's gold. So 45% of gold, everything. Macy's, oh my God, I should have bought husband present here, but I'm throwing his baby. So no present for him. Macy's.com, May is gold month, 45% off all gold jewelry. You guys, the weather is getting warmer. It's time to say goodbye to jackets and sweaters and say hello to shorts and t-shirts. Thankfully, I mean, May is just the best month, isn't it? No wonder I was born in it. But really, you guys, if you want to update your wardrobe without spending a gazelle, look into Quince if you haven't heard of it. I found Quince and I have a lineup of timeless pieces that keep me looking chic because they're

line up a chic you guys. They have cashmere that's really well priced and linen that's really well priced. When I talk well price, I mean like blouses and shorts from $30. Quince really stays below regular retailer prices because they cut out that middleman, i.e. storefronts that physical. And also they still use like the same factories at all these like, you know, your favorite huge design of brands used. So you're getting the best of the best, really, with Quince. So like I said, I love their cashmere stuff a lot. They have short-sleeved cashmere that I have that I love. And linen. Linen is perfect for summer, you guys, white linen pants, little white button down, linen. So get warm weather ready with Quince. Go to quince.com slash not skinny

for free shipping on your order and get 365 day returns. So quince.com slash not skinny. You're going to get free shipping no matter what you buy that's spelled Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash not skinny you'll get that free shipping a year of returns quince.com slash not skinny okay so you did the city for the fashion yeah and I did so I started my clothing line with my dad and then my brother came on as like had a finance and then Paige came on as she was when social media was starting and she was like you should really be involved in social media and so then it was like family business. And then my dad passed away. Didn't she manage it? Yeah. No, sorry.

No. She, so she made, so my dad passed away. Oh my God. I'm so sorry. I'm like, it's okay. You need to use this. Sometimes when it's when it's like death is such a nervous weird thing. But she, my dad was like helping manage me. And so then Paige came mom to help. And we, everyone called her like the boss's boss because she was like boss. She was telling me everything to. I was scared of her. I still sort of am. Really? But she was always just a boss and managed me for a little. And then it kind of got to a point where it was like she just was just having a kid. And I just knew there was more for her out there. And like, I felt that I needed to manage it on my own. You know, like I just didn't feel. So, so she went out and got a job at DBA. And

then like made this path for herself. Wait, did she, does she still like from the sidelines try to manage you? She always does. Yeah. She's always like sending me ideas. Tips, how tos. You should do this. Blogging. Don't forget to blog. I'm like, who's, are people blogging? But you know, but you know, like I remember one of my thoughts, because I remember when Dear Media came out with the Kristen Cavalieri. Oh, oh, we got a fight. Oh, you did. My first thought was like, But Whitney, but Whitney started this. Like, like, I don't know why I got, like, obsessed over the idea.

Uh-huh. And it was like, not only is this a Kristen Cavalry show, but this is the Dear Media Original. I know. It was behind Dear Media Originals. I know. That's so funny that you noticed that. So I was like, I was, I was always so happy for her and proud.

And I knew that Kristen and Stephen made, are like bigger names or whatever. And so it was more of a draw. But I definitely was. was like, don't you think that's weird, Paige? And she was upset and she felt bad. But it was, it's like at that point, you know, it's, it's just business. It's like it wasn't, it's not personal. Would you have wanted her to run it by you? I think probably, not run it by me, but maybe just like, she doesn't have to run it by me, but maybe tell me. Maybe she, I actually,

I don't even want to misspeak for her because maybe she did tell me. She came over and told me. And then I was like, well, I don't think I was mad. I was just like, that kind of sucks page. Yeah. Like that. Yeah. Yeah. Because you felt a little bit of ownership over like recap stuff?

Yeah. Not ownership over it because people have been doing it for a while, but I felt like especially with the Hills stuff. Yeah. Like we had started doing that and it made sense. Like I already had a podcast on the network, you know. But I think that they wanted it was like Timmy wasn't on the show. Kristen and Steven are a draw.

You know, the, like, I can justify things and see things for what they are. Like, I don't get jealous. Like, my sisters, yeah, fight over much smaller shit. You too. I couldn't imagine, like, like, big shit that gets, like, business involved and, you know? Yeah. Yeah. That's also one of the reasons why I wanted to stop working together was because I just

wanted our relationship to just be about us being sisters. Yeah. And, like, now it's fun because my podcast is only just, like, a part of my job. Right. And she can help me and support me with it. but it's not like she's in my entire world. Right. Yeah.

So, but you did kind of start recaps because I remember when, like, there may have been people before you, but you were, you were a pioneer of it. Thank you. I think. And now no network will let us do it. Like, really? Yeah. Because of the usage rights.

By the way. To do reaction videos? No. Oh. To do like rewatch. Like, I've seen, like, shows. doesn't come out with, like, a rewatch pod with the actors, like, not... Oh, that are in it.

Yeah. And then it's like, ugh. And I got messages being like, that's an eck. And I'm like, wait, this is a known thing? Like, why are people icked out? Should I not be doing our... No. So I think the ick is when it's, like, too soon.

Yeah. I think, like, timing has to be, like, a 10-year situation. Like a nostalgia situation. Right. Not like we wrapped yesterday. Let's re-watch it. Totally. Like, that just happened.

That's not funny. But you started doing the... recap. Yeah, we started doing it during it during COVID. And yeah. Wait, this is like wild information that I just learned that like maybe people that follow you

and really closely and watch all of your shit. No, I didn't know you met Timmy on the show. On the city. Uh-huh. He was a producer. Yeah. So like I had originally met him because I dated his best friend, Ben Lyons.

He was like. He was a musician, no? He was on. Do you remember the show The Daily 10? He was like a Ryan Seacrest type guy on E. He's not like Ryan Seacrest. I don't want to like give him that. But he was like an on-air host like talking about pop culture and stuff. Anyways, I dated him for like a second and I had met him through a producer on the show.

He invited me to some birthday dinner here in New York and Timmy was there. And I was like, who's that guy? And then Timmy was, I know this is sort of like a long convoluted story, but he was, a producer at CBS and really wanted a job. He had watched Guna Beach. He had watched the Hills. He really wanted a job on the city. So through Ben, he got a producing job on the city. And then it was just like producing a show. It's like summer camp. Like you, you get so close with the crew. Like, I was so much closer with the crew than I was with the cast. Was he producing you? That was the good thing is that he wasn't producing me. He was a location producer. He found my apartments. He found

like the clubs, the restaurants, like wherever we filmed, he found. But we basically, like, we, like, fell in love and we're in love. But, and, like, had, we didn't have a secret relationship. No. So, Timmy came on the show after Jay. Oh, my God, Jay. Wait, was Jay for real? Jay actually was for real.

Was he Australian or British? He was Australian. And I just thought he was so hot. And I was so naive. I thought he was so hot. It was so hot. And then I rewatched one of your dinners. I was a little icked out.

Because it's like that really like, wow, he was trying to look like he was in the strove. So that's what happened. It was like. But that was my type then too. Yes. Look like you're like, you know, hipster, emo. Right. Wearing a fedora.

Like the long shaggy hair, silver chain. Oh my God. I was so into it. And then after six months, I got the it because I like realized. he came and visited my family and I think it was for a holiday and I remember he like ate so fast and then like had to get up from the table immediately and I was so grossed out by him and oh my god this is awful and then I had just got the ick and I couldn't I was going back to New York like in three days but I couldn't wait to break up with him so I just called him and broke up with him

I was like I'm so sorry we're done and then they had to refilm the breakup the breakup the breakup because as we know yeah we learned a little bit about reality tv in the last few years like we know that like okay even if not everything is scripted locations are scouted like you get prepped for all the scenes right know what you're supposed to be asking yeah i mean that that on your shows was very obvious even when we didn't know anything okay good yeah because people are like people obviously always want to know if it was scripted then one person when i was at i was like not scary farm. It was so long ago. And this girl comes, she's like, what are you doing here? I was just watching you on TV. And I was like,

that's not how to. I came out of the box. Okay, that's really like. People have. But yeah, I mean, we were, we were very prepped before scenes, which was really hard as part. But there was some real stuff going on. Like you were dating Jay. Yeah. I was starting a clothing line. I was starting a clothing line. I was dating Jay. But I wasn't like rough and toughing it in New York city. Like, I moved here and producers found me a place to live. So did they pay for it? Yeah, paid for the apartment. Were you really going into the office every day? I was not going into the office every day. With Olivia Palermo? I was not. Was Olivia Palermo going into the office every day?

She was not definitely not going into the office every day. I feel bad for her, kind of. Did you know her then? She's a little, I mean, she is scary. Like, she's scarier than Kelly get drowned to me. She's intimidating. You think she's scary than Kelly. I mean, there's different kinds I see. It's true. Her iciness can feel really scary. Yeah, I was at first intimidated by Olivia and then she was actually really, really sweet to me, but she wasn't supposedly to the producers. So then I didn't like her because she was rude to them. And why do you say you feel bad for it today? I don't know. For some reason, I just, I feel bad for her. There's like... You think she wanted more? I think she got... I don't know. Yeah, I think she got her.

really bad rap and and but I also feel like she did that to herself like they couldn't fake that much but she still has like the fashion like a kind of a name in fashion she'll get invited to like good all the things yeah I know I guess I feel more bad because I feel like I wrote her off like I feel like on the show they made it out to be like she was such a bitch to me and she really wasn't a bitch to me I was more like this is not my type of person yeah I'm so. So I'm not going to really gauge. Did you like the city though when you were here? I loved the city. I'm like, I come back here and I just thrive. Like, I love it here. But then you were, did you manage to get the feeling of like, wow, like you weren't roughing in the streets, but like, were you like, you were living alone in the city.

I was living alone. I was pretty lonely. Yeah. Because when I was filming the show, I had already been on the hills and I like wasn't going out as like a young 20-something year old meeting people. and just kind of being, like, anonymous in the city. So I didn't really, like, I was just, like, walking on my own all the time. And, like, my friends were, my best friend was a producer on the show when I wasn't filming. But I was really, like, kind of a loner. And I still kind of am, but everything was sort of set up for me. Like, my shows, my friends were cast, like, my apartment was found. I wasn't really living.

So at what point did you meet? Timmy. I met Timmy, I think my second year filming here. Oh, okay. Yeah. And then, didn't want to include it on the show? Well, they, no one knew. No one knew anything. Oh, would it have been a no now? It would have been. That's why we didn't. We never actually, like, physically nothing ever happened while we were filming the show. I swear to God. Like, how did you like stop? Because we just, I don't know, we were like so mature and he was so afraid of getting fired. And I didn't want him to get fired. And And we just kind of felt like when it was meant to be, it would be. And then we each also had different, like, significant others in between them.

And he dated. He's New York. He's from here. Yeah. And then so I meet back to L.A. after the city was done. This boyfriend I was dating at the time dumped me. Oh, so you were, like, in love but never did anything. Yeah.

I show and then who dated other people. And then I got into another relationship and he met some other girls. because we were like, all right, we're not going to be together right now. So, let's just put this on the odds. So committed to your job. So committed. I'm down. I know, right?

Like, it's just stop taking it so seriously. It's like a reality show. Then, yeah, once I moved back to L.A. And this relationship was over, I was like, okay, now it's time for Timmy. And did you reach out? I reached out. And I came my next time in New York City, we like went on our first date. That's so cute.

So he moved back for you. Yeah. I mean, moved to L.A. for you. Yeah, after six months of dating. I moved in with me and Paige and Jade. Oh, you were home. And we lived together for two years. No.

Yeah. Did he ever want to live in the city? No, he actually didn't. And I... He was down for L.A. He's so down for L.A. and he now never wants to leave. Why? I could move here in a second.

He just, like, he just is over the people and the crowds and the work and the weather. Where did he grow up? He grew up uptown, Upper West, right? And he went to Collegiate. Oh, my God. Yeah. Speaking of school, you went to high school with Stephanie and Spencer. Yeah.

Yeah. Were you friendly at all then? No. No. I was, I mean, Spencer was crazy vanity in high school. Like, right, like, just exactly, very popular. Very popular. And so was Stephanie.

Really? Stephanie was best. Did you ever watch the city? Yeah. Okay. Do you remember Rock City? We used to watch it, like, as a family. Like, yeah, like my mom was into it, I remember.

Like, we were all, like, into it because I think we really liked you as a character, like a reality person because it was like, you could feel that you weren't thirsty. You know, you could feel like you weren't like. Desperate for it. Desperate for it. Yeah. And I think even Paige has told me this about you. Like you weren't.

You weren't. No. Like you, like this kind of did come to you. Yeah. I was interning at Women's Wear Daily. Like, I really just wanted a fashion internship. And I was going to USC, like, for reals. But you were going to USC for something else?

Not for fashion. I was a gender studies major. How did you choose that? Because I didn't know what to do. Poor kids, we are. At least I went with communications. What did you think you were going to do with that? Nothing.

I knew that anything that I did, because I studied in college, I was like, there was no fashion major at USC. see. So I just was like, let's do something that sounds really interesting and weird. You know, not, I shouldn't say weird, but different. And so I did that. And then, so then I got a fashion internship when your, your major is gender studies. Because they don't care what you're setting in school. Like they, in your intern, you're 20 years old. They just want someone to like pack boxes. And you're not getting paid. Yeah, yeah. So they don't care. You're a USC student. They trust you. So it's so I did that. And then I heard on a

a couple floors above that teen because teen vogue was in the same building that they were looking for interns for the fall semester. And I was like, that would be such an amazing job. So I like took my resume up there and someone called me and they were like, we got your resume. Actually, MTV is starting to film a show here and we're looking for girls that would be interested in both interning here and being on this TV show. And I was like, okay, I'm interested in hearing more. And they're like, well, let's do a casting tape first. And so I did a casting tape. I like set up of whatever on my parents' bed and did this interview.

And next thing I know, I'm going in for like my first on-camera interview at Teen Vogue. Cameras are there. I think I'm filming just like a pilot about girls in L.A. doing ones in music, ones in fashion. I have no idea. I'm sitting in the lobby and like in walks Lauren. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I'm on Lauren Conrad's spinoff show.

Because you watched Laguna Beach. I'm like, how, like, what? This is crazy. And then everything just went from there. Wow. I like never, I love Lauren and I, like, we went through such a special time. But we, me and anyone on the show never really vived. Really?

So, like, I was doing my thing at school and then, like, I was going into the office to film and work. But in the hills, like, I was not hanging out socially with any really yeah but Lauren also to her I mean to me it's like to her credit gives like fell into it isn't I mean she did she disappear yeah she has businesses going which is amazing but she's a very not front facing very not front facing like she doesn't she doesn't like it I think a lot of people and I went on low Bosworth podcast last week and she was talking about how I think just like a lot of people were really scarred from like of all of their dirty laundry being aired and all the manipulation.

And I didn't even get the like the amount of manipulation that Lauren got from all the different people in her life. So I think for her sanity, she probably had to just like get out. I think it's also like because I feel like it happens to a lot of these like bachelor people, Bravo people. But they want it. So bad. You know, so they're willing to risk relationships. kids but those are the people it's like I don't understand what they're thinking like they're going to have their five minutes and then it's like it's 100% going to be over after

that but it's not look at you look at Chris no but I'm saying I didn't make a fool of like I didn't like all these people now that are that they have to keep doing that yeah to continue which maybe today it is true I'm trying to think of I don't as had a lot I mean I guess, like, Teresa G. Dice is like that kind of person. That what? That, like, continues to, like, behave badly and, like, get more. But I don't know. That's not the kind of fame that I want or that I feel like people should want.

Like, I just don't understand why people want that kind of fame. I know. But it is interesting that both you and Lauren managed to, like, have something outside of it. I think we also came from normal families. That's true. Like, I, I grew up in L.A. I went to a liberal arts high school with, like, a lot of Hollywood people, a lot of money. I went to crossroads.

It was like. Jonah Hill. Yeah. And so I was around it and I was always, I was, I was just unimpressed. It didn't, it didn't excite you. It didn't excite me. And it still doesn't. Like, no, it doesn't.

It doesn't. No, like, you don't like fan girl when you meet like famous people? I, no. No. Are you alive? Because if you're alive, you know of the way, spelled OUAI. That's Jen Atkins, hair care brand. And I mean, she really smashed it. This woman, I mean, talk about an entrepreneur's that really created a brand that does things different that really has good, freaking products one after one, day after day from their shampoos and conditioners that I'm obsessed with to their leaving conditioners

that are viral, really. Now they have a new anti-teacher. frizz cream. I actually just used it last night because I, we spent a night at a hotel and I washed my hair with like hotel shampoo and conditioner, which is so rookie of me. I usually bring my own, but I didn't. So obviously my hair looked like really insane. And I was like, I don't want to wash it again right now. Excuse me. Let's save some water. So I just put in the anti-frize cream and I went to sleep with it. And voila, my hair looks great. And it provides immediate frizz control. It lasts up to 72 hours. So I really recommend it anti-frize control. I mean, we all need it, especially. Summer is coming and we need it. Am I okay? I don't know. And listen,

they've done their studies and they saw the 90% of participants agree their hair looks less frizzy. So you guys, you'll be way obsessed with this, with the anti-frize cream by way, but also like I said, some of my favorites, they'll even condition are the detox shampoo, which by the way, if your hair has died, for example, and you go to the pool, it can turn green, which happened to me. Make sure you use that detect shampoo right after, but also it's really great if you just use bad stuff in your hair, you know, their hair oil is great, their hair gloss, muh. So you guys, frizz free up your schedule with Way. Go to The Way, T-H-E-O-U-A-I.com and enter promo code not skinny for 15% off any product. That's TheWay.com promo code is not skinny. People are just popping supplements and

vitamins left and right to try to improve their health. And that's great. Okay. But if you're trying to go back to the basics, especially if you're dealing with some gut stuff and, you know, the basics include a probiotic. I'm sure you know this. And I'm sure you also know the gut is really the most important part of the body. So I wanted to tell you guys about seed DS01 daily symbiotic because it benefits your gut, your skin, your heart health. And it's only two little capsules a day. It's really not overwhelming. My little sister, Ariel, steals seed for me all the time. At first, she was like, oh, I'm on antibiotics. Like, I need seven, like for that week. I was like, okay. And then she's like, do you have extra seed? So like everyone uses seed. Everyone's obsessed with

seeds. So just so you know, it is the most popular probiotic. It's popular because it actually works. So you guys check out seed DSO1 because it's really the best. Their research development. and innovation programs make DS01, a product you know you can trust. So trust your got you guys with Seeds, DSO1, daily symbiotic. Go to seed.com slash skinny and use code 25 Skinny to get 25% off your first month. Again, to get 25% off your first month of Seeds, DSO1, daily symbiotic, you have to go to seed.com slash skinny and then use the code 25 Skinny because you're one. want to get 25% off, right?

So c.com slash skinny, code is 25 skinny. Wait, so when you find out that Heidi and Spencer are on this show with you. On the hills. Right. When Spencer starts coming on. Yeah. Because I'm like, yeah. But did you, were you like, oh, my God, this fucking guy from my high school.

But the producers never cared to make that connection because I was, I feel like I was, like, not part of that storyline. So they never even told that story. So it was just like a weird coincidence. So what about you and Adriina? Did you vibe? Adriena's so sweet. But no.

But no. But no. But no. But no. Best friends. No, but like true vibes. Like texting. Here's this funny thing.

I saw like no one really. Are you in? Not one person. Holly Katrown. She, you vied with her the most. She was my mom. She was like my best friend. Stop.

Had a falling out. Now we're cool. What was the falling out? But she went nuts. She like went nuts on me. On the show. know it was like it was about a business some business deal she went nuts she did like one of her I had seen her do it a million times to other people and then she did it to me and wait to recap

quickly she wanted you to come to her first or something with the it was it was like no it was a business deal where I was I wanted a lawyer to look over it and maybe he was taking a long time and he was like she was something about like who do you think you are like take the deal this is money. And then she'd posted about it? Did she? No. So what, how was this public? Was this on the show? No, it was never on the show. This is all, it was never on the show. This all happened after we filmed the show. And then we didn't talk. She, she reached out to me. We weren't on speaking terms. She reached out to me to write like a little blur for her book or her agent reached out to me. And I was like, we're not even talking. What? And then I made a point at a fashion week last

week to go to one of her shows because I was like, this is silly. And I love you. And she did so much for me and was like always my biggest champion. She was. She really was. And I, her, Kelly, which is so weird because we're so different. But like that, I always am attracted to that energy because I have such an opposite energy. Like my best friends are all like loud and out there. Wait, is she as like? Yes. Okay. Yes. She doesn't put it on. No. And when you're filming with her, even if the cameras are there and we're filming, she's like talking to the camera. Like, she loves it. Like, she's loves it. She loves it. Oh, my God. Wait, and what about Kristen Cavaleri? No vibes? I never got to film with her, but I feel like we would actually have bias. Yeah, it could be.

We will actually DM sometimes. And I feel like we would get along. But no, she came on the hills once I was gone. So we never crossed paths. Do you have any thoughts about her new Montana boy's boyfriend? I feel like he's really cute. But like, like, we're like, What's the deal? I don't know. I don't know. It's funny that, I mean, a lot of times when there's, like, speculation that somebody's dating somebody for, like, some clout, the party accused of that will really try to not use the clout.

I mean, while he's, like, fully out there. They're on, like, carpets and watch what happens live and, like, doing it all. And I'm like, you're not helping. Not that, not that it wouldn't make sense that he would want to date Chris and Cavalary. She's, like, a hot gal. Yeah. But it's like, should you be milking this for this, like, career? Well, not if she wants to say with her.

Like, if I started dating a guy and he did that, I would, that's why also I knew with Jay and, like, anybody that's going to date you on the show, anybody that, like, wants to be on the show. If you're a guy, you're like, it. Right. It's totally different for a girl. I mean, and I don't want to generalize that because there's a lot of guys I like on reality TV. I'm like trying to think of one.

Like, it would be cooler of a dude to be like, no cameras. No, you do your thing. Yeah. Like, I'll be the man behind. Yeah. Like, I don't need the fame. Yeah. And Jay was in a to win. Oh, he loved it. Yeah. But Brody was on. I mean, Brody loved it. I feel like he had a love-hate relationship with it. He was like the bad. Well, no, I get Justin Bobby.

Justin Bobby. Actually, he was my vibe. Like, I. weren't there rumors? Not he, we were, we would always like, first of all, I want to make it very clear,

he was my vibe. He, I mean, I want to, like, most people's vibe. I want to just say that like in,

whenever this was high school. Yeah, it was like 2003 or four. The dream man. He was like Johnny Depp of our time. Yeah.

He was the Johnny Depp of our time. And then I think the producers when I met Jay, they were like, oh my God, like another. like another J.B. Justin Bobby, I think, is one of the most,

one of the more cooler down-to-earth people on the show. Yeah. But he dates like... I don't know who he dates. I feel like he's, yeah. I don't know if he, like, dates down to earth. You know what I mean? I feel like I see him date just like girls

with really big boobs, you know? Yeah. No, but like, like, I think like... Oh, my God. The record's big. He brought... There was that girl. He was bringing around on the Hill's New Begin.

But that was not a, like, no, no. Would you do another of the hills? So, no, not now. After the Hills and New Beginnings, like, oh my God. Why? I was so, I couldn't believe that I did that. Really? Beyond traumatized. Why? I was, well, they didn't use this part, but I got totally annihilated by Spencer and Heidi, hysterically crying. You were. They, they went off on me about how everybody thinks I'm like the nice one, but I'm actually like the worst and the bitchiest. Why were they saying that? Because I went on a, I went on my own podcast and I talked about something about Spencer blocking me after some stupid shit that we were filming and how I said something that I was like

a little bit scared that he was going to like come like show up outside my house. Oh, okay. And he was like, how could you put that out there that I would like ever hurt someone? I'm like, are you insane? How could I put that out there about you? Like, do you, have you connected to what you have put out there about yourself? So yeah, he was upset. They were upset. And now we're totally fine, but I was so scared. I'm unblocked. I was blocked for a while. I've never been blocked by someone in my life. Really? I was, I was so upset. I was so upset because I was, I just had never been I can't I cannot imagine being on a reality show like that where people are yelling like

I had never even though I was on a reality show I don't know I don't know it. It really isn't you. It really isn't you to be in these like also like fake situations of like bringing back Misha Barton. No, that was what was weird. That was that I was like why are we first of all we went to a nightclub to film that like wasn't even open. Like we went at like four o'clock and in the afternoon and they tried to like bring people in. And then this was like the scene to introduce Misha and we're like all dressed up late, you know, six o'clock in the evening, like supposed to be parting in a club. To me, would never come with you. No, no. And I'm going to all this stuff by myself. I made,

I had it like Jen Delgado, Frankie's wife. Right. It was great. Made friends with her. Ashley Waller, John's wife. Jason Waller's wife. Like I had my little people. But after like five times of doing that, I was like, I can't do this anymore. I can't. Like, what am I doing here? I mean, but you couldn't really pull out. I mean, it just ended. Yeah. I mean, and the second season, no, the second season I did pull out. I said I'll film a scenes with Audrina if you, if you want me to and I had like a couple scenes, but then I was like, I'm not coming to anything. Really? Yeah. Damn, because you could feel even before it aired that it was just like cringe? It was just, I think it would have been good if they had actually gone

home with everybody and like film that was actually going on in everybody's lives and like done what reality TV does now, you know? But they tried to make it too much like we were back in 2003 at area and were like all married and have kids and like no one wanted to be there. Yeah, totally. And I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. mad at a club night, but, like, that's what they wanted to keep on doing, like, and these all cast events. And no one really had real, I don't want to, again, generalize, but, like, real invested relationships. Like, that's why I always think, like, shows like Vanderpump rules and those shows are so successful because they all, like, were best. And they actually

really are with some of them. Yeah. And, yeah. And, like, so the stakes were so much higher. Yeah. On our shows, it just felt like, people were faking. Right, because, like, how mad can you be? You don't fucking care about this girl. Exactly. Yeah. So we're talking about at the beginning.

Like, you don't have a publicist, but there was a lot of press about you this year. Yeah. Yeah. It started with, like, weight stuff. It started with my body stuff. How does that get? Like, I brought up. It was silly.

Not sillish. But it was, it was basically like an Instagram post I posted. And it was getting a lot of comments and like. By your body. And I wasn't even reading the comments, but I said something to me. I was like, this post is getting so much engagement. And he was, was it a bikini? It was, no, I was in like a little spaghetti, spaghetti strap, like black dress.

And I look, yeah, I look pretty thin. I don't look like, I wouldn't even want to look like that. But he was like, it's because people are, he was like, go scroll down. Like, people are all commenting about your body. And I was like, oh my God. And so I started reading. And then it forced me to like think about what was actually going on. Because I like didn't think that I had any kind of issue.

Like I just felt like I was, I was called myself a picky eater. And that if I didn't like something, I wasn't going to eat it. Like if food came at a restaurant, I'm like never going to force myself to eat something. Or it's just and it's hard. I'm not picky. I'm just selected. So it just was like it started this whole thing. And then I think that I started talking about it on my podcast before I had even really figured out what was actually happening. And it just opened up the

conversation. You know, it's like as soon as you, you talk about it and face it, I think people then start to feel like then they can kind of go off about it. Times have changed a little. Like I've noticed a lot that people are commenting a lot less about body image. And I have a lot of of people that stick up for me now. But long story short, I know I can be rambly. But like, I think I saw you also say something, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. That got some people rowdy. Yeah. Maybe it was like, you were like, yeah, sometimes I forget to eat or yeah. Yeah. You were trying to like talk about maybe why it had happened if you did lose anyway. You were like sometimes, yeah, you're right. I forget. And sometimes I'm running errands.

I don't think about it. That's what I said. I was like, I'm busy and it's just not a decision that I want to make. And so I just don't make it a priority. And like that is my true. Oh, that is your truth. That's my true. Like I'm sorry, but and I shouldn't even have to apologize for it. But like I'm the kind of person that doesn't, what's the saying? I don't live to eat. Like I eat to live. Like I am not like a food. I'm not like a foodie that's like. I want to enjoy all these different things. Like, that's just not my vibe. You were never like that. It was never like that. And I was always weird about textures. Like, I've never eaten pasta my entire life. Like, I don't need.

It weirds you out? Yeah, it's like too gross for me. So then, so it's like, now I have to explain all this. And it seems like I, there's all these justifications. And I basically just stopped talking about it. I basically said, like, I'm going to figure this out on my own and I don't need anybody's, like, opinion anymore. I didn't say that out loud, but this is what I was saying to myself. And I just didn't give it any attention anymore. And then it stopped becoming

in conversation. Did you work right? I'm doing work on my own. Like, I know how it starts like something people comment things. It can make you feel some type of way. You want to address it. You address it. But then people comment on how you've addressed it. And then you want to address that because that's annoying. So you get into this loop. of like talking about something that you don't even realize. But a lot of, I feel like articles were saying, were kind of labeling it like you came forward with some sort of like, like I said I had an eating disorder.

And you didn't. To clarify that. You never said that. I never said that. I've never been diagnosed with that. Like, I think it was like a lifestyle thing for me that I did need to look at. So honestly, in retrospect, like I'm glad. For my health.

Like for my, I was, I was. I'm, I was feeling tired and I didn't realize why I was feeling tired. I was, you know, there were certain things. You probably need, I need more attention to your nourishment. Exactly. That's what I needed to be doing. I wasn't giving my body enough and like maybe people could say that that's an eating disorder, but I wasn't conscious of it. And so I just don't believe in labeling things. I'm just now like it did, it took that though for me to to make some change in my actual life. So I'm grateful. I'm grateful for the people that said things about it in a caring way, but the nasty shit is unnecessary. Like, do you feel like did gaining weight become a priority or no?

Yes, it is a priority. Oh, it is. It's like a daily priority for me. Oh, it is. Yeah. Because are you, can I ask, like, are you underweight? Like, I'm, I'm like underweight for my height. Oh, because I'm very tall. Yeah. I'm underweight for my height. Like, I mean, I've always been thin, but I think after, I don't know, like, I want to gain muscle. I want to be healthier. And I, yeah, I'm working on it consciously. And it's like. You think anything happened during that time period of the black dress that like you were less paying attention to food and stuff or no? Yeah. I think it was a lot having to do with like my fertility stuff. Your fertility stuff. That's the next thing. I actually. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Welcome. Because you've been so open about that for years, I feel like. And I remember you said something that was so, I mean, I didn't personally, you know how

sometimes you see something and you're like, you just know that probably hits so hard for so many people, even if you're not personally feeling it. But like, I remember you said once and correct me again if I'm, because this could have been like three years ago. It was such an amazing memory. I do. Yeah. But I remember you saying like you had had a miscarriage.

You spoke about it openly. And you said in a way that you. you were like thankful for it or like so yeah that time my first miscarriage like shit that that one maybe you regret so saying that now you but i don't regret just to say what you said yeah you were like it was a right thing to have happened at that time maybe but fast forward fast forward i didn't know i was going to have so many after that but for sure at the time when it happened i was i i felt this weird relief that had happened because I felt like I wasn't quite ready for it. I, like, wasn't excited when I found out I was pregnant with the second. And so then when I miscarried, it was like,

oh, like, now all these anxieties that I have about having two, like, don't have, they're not going to come true. And so it was like a weird weight lifted off my shoulder. And that is what I felt so horrible about. Like I felt so, I said it. And I felt horrible. And I felt horrible. And I think there were a lot of people who felt it was definitely controversial, but I do think that a miscarriage can be so complicated that like whatever reaction you have to it is the right reaction. You know what I mean? Like I can't blame myself for feeling that way. Maybe I wasn't ready at the time, you know? But yeah, looking back on it, I don't know. It's like I still wouldn't have known this would happen. So I don't regret seeing that or feeling that way. You've been open about

other miscarriages? Yeah. So I've had like four other miscarriages since. And then I was about to do IVF and I got really sick right before a transfer. And this is right before I posted that photo. Oh, wow. And I got the stomach flu right before I was about to do a transfer and was throwing up so much. Like I tore up my esophagus and then wasn't able to eat and then couldn't do the transfer. And I was like, is this the universe telling me that I'm not supposed to do this? And I had like this rock bottom moment. And so I didn't end up doing the transfer. And that's when we decided maybe a surrogate was the best option for us because I was just crumbling. And then we tried, we did two implantations with the surrogate and she miscarried twice this past summer. Yeah, summer and fall. And now we are

figuring out what to do. I've gotten more testing done and I found out that I have a birth defect called like a congenital uterine septum that I would have to get fixed in order to carry again which is a reason why I was miscarrying so much but they never I never got this test before I know the doctor was about to implant me no but why did the surrogate then

I don't know that I don't know she had some blood plots it's like a whole different so you wouldn't try with another surrogate I think that may be next but I don't know I'm like trying to not But I'm like, I'm so, yeah, I'm like so tired from it all that I almost like can't decide what is right. Yeah.

Like I just feel sorry. I just feel exhausted. I know like not skinny. This podcast is not like the teacher. No, it's okay. But yeah, I'm just. And it could be like all like. It's all consuming.

Right. You can't separate. life from it. No. If you're doing IVF, it's the hormones and the whatever. And if you're doing everything you're doing. And you tell someone and then everybody has a different opinion, you know,

like I tell my sister, I don't know, and she's like, okay, take some time. And then I told someone this morning who had similar issues as me and she's a little older and she was like, do the surgery. Like time is of the essence, you know, like get it done. And I'm like, that doesn't feel right either. It's just, it's a lot. It's a lot. And I just, I want it for Sunny at this point.

I saw you say he talks about it. Yeah, but I've said to him now, like, I don't know, you know, I don't know if it's going happen. Like, I want to be real with him. I'm very real with him. Like, I've had to be since the beginning, we've had, like, a lot of death in our family. And, like, I always feel like if you tell kids, not the intricate details, you know, but just factually what's happening, we've told him about the surrogate.

We said it's our baby. what we're putting it in basically in someone else's oven to cook. But I've said just to be, you know, it may not happen. It may be the three of us. And then he goes like, well, can we get a dog? And I'm like, I've never had a dog my entire life. And like, Paige will never come over, but we can get on. She hates dog. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm so sorry. And it's so, like, common, obviously. Yeah. And you're sharing it with the world. Yeah. Like real time. I also did a podcast. about it, right? Yeah, I did. I did a podcast and then like this morning went on CBS about it. So that's why I'm like. How are you, how did you decide to share it in such real time?

Like, well, I usually don't. Like I usually, I'm not like the influencer that like wakes up and shows. And it is a little bit like knock on wood like bad. Yeah. Evil I like, you know, like how are you sharing all of this? So I'm, I've been shared the, the fertility unfiltered like the little series that I put out that shows the IVF last, what I went through last year, that it happened a year ago, so it's easier for me. Like, I've already kind of dealt with those emotions. Now, I mean, you're, like, you're seeing it. It's like, when I talk about it, I get sad. And then I just tried to, I try to, like, bring myself back to the present and, like, so grateful that I have Sunny. So many people can't even have one. Right. So.

But the decision to, like, share about it? The decision to share about it, I feel like I have to because there are so many people out there that are silently struggling like this. Does it help in any way to share it? It does because I know even, it's cathartic for, it's so cathartic for me. Like, after I will do these things or share on my podcast, it's almost as if it's like a stage of the grief process. Like, I'm able to kind of make a little bit more sense of it.

like I've given myself time to talk it out. And then I can kind of like leave it there. And then it's also cathartic. It's cathartic because the response that I get that other people are dealing with the same thing. Like I do it for them, but I also do it so that I can feel it. Yeah. Yeah. And you probably get so many DMs and so many. And some are annoying. Like one was like, have you like, like, do you think it's the vaccination or like, do you think it's the vaccination slash Timmy's low sperm count? I'm like, who are you? Like, what? Like, yeah, that because those solicited advice, I mean, there's such a fine line and it's hard to like, because some messages you want to see because they're beautiful and moving. Yes. Some messages are like, are you serious? Yeah. And that's the hard part.

Yeah. That's why now I'm trying, I don't respond because I, with the eating stuff, I remember there was one day that I did respond and I did a whole thing on stories. And then I got so much in return trying to fight me on what I had tried to justify. And I was like, this is a never-ending. Like, this is a losing battle. Yeah. So I don't respond to the, to the bad ones. I just don't. Do you? Sometimes. Depends on the mood. I honestly, that's true. I could be in a mood of like, literally you can be like, what's at your and I'll block you. Yeah. Literally, like I'm Jack Taylor. Like, I, And then there are other days where I'm like open to having a conversation. There are other things where you're like, just put restrict them so they can never.

It's so true. So it really depends. But with that stuff, that's even more because I know you can get overwhelmed with advice about the dumbest shit. Like they see you feeding your kid this way and you get advice. And then you can imagine what's the right thing to do. But here you're talking about like people, some people saying do this surgery. Some people saying, you know, and it's go see someone's like LA doctors are the worst. Go to Columbia.

Yeah. Like, I'm like, go. So how many years has it been? So it's, I've been, it's been like five years of dealing with this. Yeah. So I have a friend that it took her six years and she's here now. She's here now. So that can happen. I know. It can happen. And she also did something, which is wild, but this is, and this is me being an annoying person in your DMs. No, but I'll just say it also for other people. Yeah. Just because she was having all these. issues the IVET, like everything didn't. So she ended up using not her egg. And that's the only way that it ended up taking, which is a sacrifice. Totally. Because it's not your genetically. Supposedly. Yeah. But she's so, I've never seen somebody more grateful to be pregnant. I've never seen somebody, you know, obviously this is a part that she doesn't know if she's going to share, but I have someone in my life that did that too. And it's like the best thing. that they ever did, and they don't even think about the fact that, I mean, it's interesting.

It's like, I've thought about adoption, the donor egg. I feel like if I didn't have one already, I feel like I would definitely do that. I don't know why for some reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I have one. I'm like, all right, if I can't have another, then I'm just going to stick with my one. I don't know. It's all. Well, thank you for sharing it, like with the world. that's like, honestly, just so amazing of you. And I'm sure it's helpful for so many people. There are two quick things because we are chatty. You're good.

We're chatty. Chattie Kathy's. Chattie Kathy's. Your hair looks amazing. Stop. Yes. Because we talk about the hair. It's not amazing.

No, the color is looking so good. So I haven't gotten it colored since February. Since it was red, Auburn. Like, what was it? It was bleach. It was bleached. I went through it. You went through it.

The bleach and tone. I was jealous of you. Didn't I die because of you? I was like, I need this color. And then you were like jealous of my color. I know. And then I was like, I need the natural blonde. So it's been a journey. My journey right now I have. So because of all this color, I have just like all this breakage. And now it's like this lane. But this actually looks like this is healthier. Yeah. This is better. I got highlights in February and it's gotten lighter. But I'm just going to, I'm just going to do glosses. Yeah. No more highlights. Excuse me. No highlights for now. Glosses. I also heard like me, because I like slick my hair back a lot and put it back in ponytails and I heard that's terrible for your hair. But so I just need to get it back

to like a healthy place. Healthy caramel place. You did you set up like long, isn't that crazy? Like that was your hair. That was my hair was like your thing. My like beachy waves. And then another thing that I feel like I recently put together, which took me a while. But I'm like, damn, she like is a stoner. I am. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like So I'm not like. It's also like you don't give Jew or a stoner. I don't give you like two like two things that you are. People, I know, I was like smoking college, big stoner in college. And then I moved to New York and had a bad high and I was like, I'm never smoking. Yeah. Like I thought I was going to like. Yeah. Panic attack the whole thing. I died. Heart beating out of my chest. And then COVID hit, and I started getting into, like, the whole gummy situation. Uh-huh. Like, this is fun. Like, you can dose it.

You know where it's coming from. Like, okay, I like it. And then I just started, I realized, like, I just like this so much more than drinking. Yeah. Oh, so you'll go out with friends and you'll smoke and they'll drink. I mean, I'll drink too, but I'm more mean at home. Like, I'm not, Timmy and I are not like I have a glass of wine at the end of the day. We're so hot doing those three cups. Are you not?

We were during COVID. We're not anymore. Oh, not anymore. Okay. I was like, I was like watching one. For all, they're really funny. Yeah. And I, and I like them. Yeah. Like, I like them. I watched a little bit and like Timmy's so funny. He's so funny. And I'm like making fun of, especially when you go back to like, we did Laguna. Laguna. We did Laguna. Right. And there was one really funny that you were like, some eighth grader that like low brought.

That was her date. Anyway, you guys are hilarious. I was like, there's weed. No, there's weed. Okay. Yeah. And now I'm working with the weed gummy company, high confectionery, just that are like low dose gummies after you have baby. I've had that. That's how I stopped smoking. Really? Because you had the freak out. I'm going to give you the gummies after you have the baby. But they're one million, like you take a half and I would be surprised if you've even felt half of it. Yeah. Okay. We'll talk about it. Okay. Wendy, thank you for coming on. And we've been trying to do this for like two years. No, literally a gazillion year.

Yeah. And you're so cute. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of not skinny but not fat. Follow me on Instagram at not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes.

Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you next. Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.