Nuanced. - 101. Justin Clancy: Musician Talks Addiction, Mental Health & Personal Growth

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Aaron asked Justin Clancy about his journey into music and how it became a true passion for him. The two also discussed Clancy's evolution as a songwriter, the first book he attempted to write, his experience with losing friends to addiction, and his personal growth. Clancy's remarkable voice was also a topic of conversation.In addition, the interview covered Clancy's upcoming tour with Chris Webby and Ekoh, which will take them to various Canadian cities, including Victoria, Vancouver, Chilliwack, Kelowna, Calgary, and Edmonton.Justin Clancy is a rapper and musician from Boston, Massachusetts. He gained popularity with his introspective and emotionally-charged lyrics, which tackle issues such as mental health, addiction, and personal growth. Clancy's music often features soulful beats and melodic hooks, providing a backdrop for his honest and vulnerable storytelling.Clancy first gained attention with his debut single "The Bottom Line," which has since been streamed millions of times on Spotify. He has since released several EPs and albums, including "The Color Blue" and "The Saint of Lost Causes," showcasing his versatile style and unique perspective. With his authentic approach to music and dedication to his craft, Justin Clancy has established himself as a rising talent in the hip-hop industry.Chapters: 0:59 How Did Justin Clancy Get Started in Music?6:09 Addiction, Sobriety & Recovery11:34 Is It Good to Live with Regret?15:44 Empty Space - Justin Clancy Ft. Slug (of Atmosphere)22:08 Being an Independent Artist26:40 Working with Chris Webby30:13 Tour Coming to Canada!Send us a textThe "What's Going On?" PodcastThink casual, relatable discussions like you'd overhear in a barbershop....Listen on: Apple Podcasts   SpotifySupport the shownuancedmedia.ca

This is the Bigger Than Me podcast with your host, Aaron Pete. The only time that I sing is in the shower. I don't do it around other people, but the man I'm sitting down with today is Justin Clancy, an incredible musician who sings from the heart. He's raw, he's authentic, he's my guest today, and I'm so excited to introduce him. Justin, it is such a pleasure to sit down with you today. I'm so grateful because I think you have such an incredible voice. It really takes me back to be able to listen to your music and to see the vocal abilities that you have.

Would you mind introducing yourself for people who might not know you? Sure thing, man. I'm Justin Clancy. I am an artist, singer, songwriter, piano guy from right outside of Boston Mass. I push the buttons. I sing the songs. it's incredible

I'm very curious about how you got started in this because it seems like it would take a long time to develop the notes you're able to hit the voice that you have is so unique I'm just I'm very curious as to how you got started I love how you're saying now while I'm just like smoking a seg dude

that's amazing um honestly man like I originally came up as an underground rapper So if you listen to like my early, early, early stuff, there is no singing. I'm like trying to be Vinnie Paz. You know what I mean? Or I'm trying to like rap really fast and really hard and really angry. But like growing up music has always been a thing for me.

I've always written poetry and like done all the things. So it's more so like an evolution over time and I got more comfortable in my cadence and like more comfortable in my abilities. and I was willing to try new things and you know it kind of just stuck I kind of jumped into the singing thing feet first I don't have any like I'm not classically trained I really don't know what the fuck I'm doing

but it kind of just it kind of just came to me and the more I did it the more I was able to like hone in on the skills and you know just trying new things and it's sort of like a muscle just like every other party your body and the more that you work on it and the more that you learn about it like the better you do with it um i'm by no means like the best singer in the world you know what i mean um but one of one of the things like i remember watching something and it was about bradley noel you

know you know about bradley noel from from sublime no so you know sublime though no oh wow Oh, incredible band. Pretty much, I was watching this documentary or I was reading something about it. And the way they described his voice, it was like, he doesn't have the most amazing voice, but it's sincere, you know? And that's something that really stuck with me. And I felt like, as long as I could do my best to hit the notes and, like, get the message across and get my feelings across, as long as it's sincere, the listener is going to be happy, you know? Yeah, you can feel that rawness in your voice. And I think that that's one of the best parts about real music is that authenticity, the sincerity as you're sort of describing.

What role did music play in your life? What pulled you towards it? Or was it just always a given? Music has always been kind of like a vessel, you know what I mean? You know, if you're a musician, like I feel bad for you because something drew you to that point to where it's like you feel as though you couldn't properly communicate without music being that vehicle. know what I mean? Because that's what it was for me. I needed an outlet. I needed a way to express my emotions and feel heard and feel seen. And I sort of gravitated to the arts for it, you know, and I ran with it ever since. What was going on in your life that pulled you in that direction? Oh, man, a whole lot of stuff. I didn't really have like the best childhood. You know what I mean. I dealt with a lot of shit growing up.

And it was really difficult for me. And, you know, my way of, like, getting it out was through writing poetry. I think I wrote my first rap, have my first notebook. I keep it in my little studio. No one. I got, like, a little nut. I wrote my first rap in this book. It's a Harry Potter book.

And I wrote it in... I dated it, I remember. Wow. It is, see, like, my little chicken scratches and stuff. I would even write in, like, skits and shit like that. Wow. In 2002. Really?

Yeah. What caused you to pick up the pen for the first time and use that? book. I fucking cook. Look at J.C. Remix. Like, I was right. Remixes to songs and I didn't even fucking crazy. What caused me to?

Yeah, what was that Dave in 2002 that made you pick up the pen and say, I got to start? Well, like, growing up, like, you know, I grew up with my father in prison, and I feel like, you know, I wanted to talk about it. And that was, like, the way that I talked about it.

You know what I mean? And, like, those feelings and stuff. Like, I remember being really little and, like, telling people that my dad was in the army and shit. Right. We're really in prison. You know, I had a really hard time communicating. Sorry, I'm starving, dude. No worries.

Yeah. So, that's sort of what happened and how it played out. And it just became my everything from there. It seems like such a positive outlet considering maybe the weight that you're carrying on your shoulders. and there's so many other vices, so many other paths you could have gone down. How did you find such a positive vice that's sending you down a really positive path?

Well, I can't necessarily say that I found the vice and I stuck to it. I struggled with a lot of substance abuse growing up. I'm actually a person in long-term recovery. I've never even had a legal drink. So throughout my whole entire 20s, I've been completely sober, no weed, no nothing. Um, because like growing up, you know, uh, I was just doing a lot of dreads, man.

Um, so my vices sort of changed over time, but the music has always been a constant, the writing of the music, the, the shooting, the producing, the everything. Um, but as far as, like, the singing and the instrument playing, that really didn't come into the picture until like the past five years on whistle. You're a person who, on your Instagram page, you have some incredibly inspirational videos about what you've gone through and how you've tried to look at it and the importance of reaching your full potential and about going down that path. And I think that that's so important, but not from just people who haven't faced adversity,

from people like yourself who've really overcome hard times. Would you mind sharing some of the things that you've overcome and how you've managed to stay on this path? Right, for sure. I mean, I wouldn't say overcome because these things, like, people that are in recovery from addiction and, like, you know, mental health struggles and things like that, you know, it's an ongoing thing. It's something that you have to be on constantly and, you know, stay the path. So I wouldn't necessarily say I overcame it or I'm cured from it. um however like i've arrested it to an extent and i feel like a lot of people when they're in it they don't see a way out you know what i'm saying and if i can just like shine like the

the tiniest bit of light at the end of the tunnel for those people and just change the way that that they're perceiving their situation um that makes it all the worthwhile for me you know what advice do you have for people who are on that journey and trying to find a way out? Because it seems like you've found some positive light to follow. Yeah. It's just keep going there. It's always just keep going, at least for me. You know, because no matter how many steps backwards you take or like what happens, as long as you stay the course, like things immediately get better. It's always like another day, the next day and the next day and the next day, which at, you know, it's sometimes for most people, the sound of that could be grueling, but, um, really it's,

it's, you know, what you put into it, what you try. Uh, I try not to do the whole advice thing, though, to be honest, man, because really, like, my thing was when I was in that and when I was really in the sheds, like, I didn't want advice. I just wanted somebody to listen, you know? That's really important. And I think people, can feel like they don't have anybody to talk to. And that's where I think music can often come in is because you're being heard and seen and understood because you resonate with what the artist is saying. 100%. That's why I found it so important and I found it such a game changer throughout my journey. Is there musicians, artists, creators that helped you that you

relied on or looked to? Oh, man. I listened to a whole lot of music. so it ebbs and flows you know what i'm saying um like big big like crank ocean guy big mac miller fan big radio head fan um i've been really into like bright eyes lately um like stevie wonder marvin gay um i listen to everything man like today i was listening to hosier um just everything really across the board on but i think the song that like so the one song that i would listen to every day like when i when i first got clean like when i was still in like rehab and stuff like that was uh goodbye yellow brick world by elton john yeah because it was sort of like it went with like the saying goodbye to like what i thought everything was and what i thought everything would

be um and moving on and like trying to keep things a little more simple granted my life has been anything but fucking simple since that one um but it'll never be as bad as waking up and wondering how i'm going to get my next fix or you know shaking and withdrawing in a jail cell you know it'll never be as bad as that there have been times where i felt as though it was as bad as that but now i know that like there was a way out when you're in that type of situation. It's hard to see that shit. Do you feel stronger as a consequence? Do you regret those events happening or do you think they were learning experiences? That's a good question. I appreciate that. Yeah, dude, I

definitely feel stronger. I don't regret any more. There are times where I wish things could have gone different, but at the same time, who knows where I'd be right now? I probably could be dead. It's like a butterfly effect thing. I try not to get too mixed up in that concept because at the end of the day I am who I am and I do what I do. And, you know, the things that have happened in the past kind of molded me into this person that I am today. And I don't believe I'd be strong enough to stay the course had I not had those previous experiences. I agree. Can you elaborate a little bit for people who might not be familiar with the butterfly effect? I understand what you're saying. But I think it's just useful for people to understand

kind of the concept. Yeah, so like the butterfly effect is the concept itself is basically like if you go back in time and change even the tiniest of little things, like it could be detrimental to what happens moving forward in the future. You know, it could fucking ruin everything.

So it's like you go in the past and you kill a butterfly and then 30 years later, all you know is that like the world has no more butterflies or like the world is ending as a result of that action. Who are some of the positive influences that you found throughout all the things that you've been through and you faced? Who are some of those standout voices, individuals that you've been able to look to? On positive influences. I feel like my teachers, you know what I mean?

And not like scholastic teachers, but like those who guide me and give me advice in life. musically and then also like a lot of people in recovery um my dad was a key part in that as well um and my mom my grandma stuff like that my friends i really really appreciate like the friendships that i have you know they're really big they hold them very close to my heart i don't have a big family but like my circle and all of my friends you know we hug each other we say i love you before we get off the phone and shit like that. And they never judge me. Like, I'll call them with, like, the craziest shit in the world,

and they'll just be like, yeah, again, I won't call the police on you. It sounds like it's unconditional love, that it's that, no matter what. Yeah, yeah, to a big extent, yeah. Of course, like, no such thing is unconditional love, really, at the end of the day. Everybody has conditions on their own love, but, like, it's close enough. the poetry seems like a unique aspect of your creative experience that like my partner and i rebecca we were listening to your music and every line she stopped the song so we could go through what the line means the metaphor is connected to it and i think it's really unique and then the bars

you're able to hit make you feel it in a different way it's an experience even one line if you slow it down and really reflect on it uh has a lot of meaning and has a lot of metaphors where did the poetry come in for you um i've been i've always been i love that you did that by the way i'm curious to know like what songs you did that with so i can like further break them down hopefully hopefully you add because that's awesome i love that and i i write that way for a very specific reason um i'm not very focused on punchlines i'm not and i do that on purpose to kind of set me apart right I want the hit to be in the way that it's written out. So when I write my lines and when I write my lyrics,

I write them out as if it was like a poem. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to rhyme, but I want to evoke feeling, you know. I don't care about the bars and the punchlines and stuff like that. What's important to me is like bringing that emotion out, getting that emotion across and, you know, just being read out. Like, I love that. Then we have to talk about empty space because every line,

in the very first minute of that song is all just going through and talking about the brilliance, the beauty of it, it's elegant in its design, and it's so fascinating to be able to sit there, listen to it, and then have the idea of asking you

about how that song sort of came about for you. Thank you. I really appreciate that. And Empty Space is a very special song for me. You know, I was able to team up with one of my heroes growing up, as you can see,

Boom, Atmospheric album, right there and like my little special I have like a little special nook here and then I have like some special nukes on top of my monitors right here I like to keep mementos but yeah man empty space just kind of came out

like I wrote that first verse in 10 minutes just one sitting just straight shot I just sat on the piano and I was like I heard that can you hear that on the just a little bit oh that's cool um yeah like i sat down and i heard that and i was like you know i was in a very melancholic way at that moment in the time and i was feeling very like uh very mortal i guess you could say and kind of looking at things through like a

gray scale almost you know so it kind of came about organically um i was with was with my boy leo at his studio in Cambridge and you know we were we were all day we were going through beats and ideas and stuff like that because the way I create is everything on the spot everything organic

so like 99% of the songs that I released that you hear were all produced written and made in one sitting really so there's not a huge planning process or taking pieces and trying to clip them together no no otherwise I'll overthink it and I'll hate it.

You know, so it has to always be in the moment where I'm at, what I'm feeling, and that allows me to be the most honest with, you know, what I'm doing. As a result of, like, how busy things have been and, like, what I've been doing lately, I haven't necessarily been able to create, like, that. But usually what I'll do is, like, I'll come up with an idea on the piano or on the guitar at home, and I'll put it in my dog and I'll write to it or, you know, sing to it, and then bring it to the studio and amplify it. But I try and do everything all in one shot, all in the same.

The last part of the process is physically writing it down. Wow. So do the metaphor is just come into your head and then you write them down? Does the poetry just flow naturally? Yeah. I kind of just let the, you know, it comes from the swords, man. You know, I kind of just let it take me wherever it wants to take me. Wow.

That is like no, like no fairy. Yeah, like no fairy tale. to tell nothing to cell it's all the same like kind of just boom so when you go to sleep i hope you dream of better things it was almost like a like a like a like a like a melanchol lullaby that's exactly how it feels but it it evokes an emotion like a sense of peace a sense of connectedness and a sense of everything's going to be okay do you know that when you're writing it that it's going to have this like it just feels so peaceful in a way and yet some of the comments can be darker as you kind of describe it can be heavy thoughts but on the late night drive

they're very peaceful yeah um i feel like it's like beauty and the sadness you know what i mean um because like like baseline that's how i feel a lot of the time is melancholy you know what i'm saying um so that's kind of like how i get it across you know so i'm glad that that like brought you some type of peace um because i thought that that that song wouldn't do that well because it was so sad and down tempo and when you put out a single people expect like the faster shit or like the bigger sounding records and it's like I can do that no problem but like I would rather put it all out there and share where you're at in that moment and perhaps that's one of the challenges is that you are who you are in the moment that you're writing

you can't and that's the challenge I think with big labels is they say we want this type of album that you made last time and we want it exactly that way and you may not be in that head space when they're asking for that product or when you're trying to work on something. I don't go to fuck. I don't care. Anybody can put on fancy clothes and put on designer

shit and be flashy and sound big, look big. Not everybody can strip down and be naked and say here I am. You know, today my head fell off. Here I am. I think that that's another unique thing when we look at your social media

is you're very well connected you're willing to connect with supporters, with fans, with listeners and have honest conversations and you get a lot of love. You get a lot of support of people seeing you just be yourself and you admit like this is the day I'm having

I'm just eating like a slice of peevee like whatever the day is. It's just who you are. Yeah, for sure. I feel like there's a lot of narcissism within the music industry, there's a lot of ego, especially when it comes to artists, you know what I mean? And ego is my fucking worst enemy, you know? So one of the things that keeps me grounded is just connecting with people, talking to people, like, trying to answer

as many DMs as I possibly can, and just having real-life interactions with them. Because at the end of the day, it's them that are giving me the ability to create on the level that I want to, you know, it's not anybody else, it's not a fucking label, it's not some cash cow out there, dishing money out to me, you know, it's the people and like these experiences inspire me to create more art because I need that reassurance that like, you know, this is what we want, this is what we like, we enjoy this, we enjoy this sound, like keep it going, um, everything else is just fucking air, man, you know, if an ANR likes my music, then I'm doing something wrong how does it feel to be independent is that a freeing experience to know that it's on you

that it's on on on no one else is it challenging at times oh it's fucking terrifying oh dude it's so scary um because like i'm self-funded dude like everything i've done has been like self-funded um and it's it's uh it's a lot you know i have to wear a lot of hats um i got to wear the business hat. I got to wear the tour manager hat. I need to wear the creative director hat. I do creative direction for everything to the merch, to the photo shoots, to the fucking video shoots, you know, I've got to write the songs, I'm going to play the instruments, I'm going to release the songs, I need to connect with people on a business level. It's difficult. You know, it's definitely not easy, but it's the path that we chose and it's the path that I know. I can't just like

get up tomorrow and be like, yeah, you know, I'm just going to work a nine to five job. How the fuck am I supposed to do that? Seriously, though, how am I supposed to do that? When I know that, like, people in Vancouver and shit are, like, listening to my music and, like, breaking it down and, like, reading it. And, you know what I mean? How am I supposed to, like, every second that I'm not working on my dream and I'm not chasing and going after it harder and harder, every second that I'm not doing that, I'm letting down everybody that believes in you? And that's the way I hold myself, and that's why I go so hard, you know? Like, I've experienced a lot of loss in my life, you know, a lot of dead friends, a lot, a lot of dead friends.

Where I sit right now between the age of 17 to now, I've probably lost, like, 60 to 70 friends all under 3 for 35 from overdoses. You know what I'm saying? And that's a legit number. That's not just like acquaintances. Those are like people that I had a relationship with. And they knew I made music and they knew that I was, I wanted to fucking do this. You know, so who am I to stop chasing my dreams when they can't even wake up tomorrow and chase theirs? You feel me?

Yeah. That is incredibly inspiring and a lot to put on your shoulders, though. Yeah, it sucks. But I have to. This path was chosen for me. You know, it's on me to follow through and do the rest. Of course I enjoy it. And of course, it's something I love.

It gets difficult at times, of course. It's really, it's the hardest, it's the hardest job in the world. You need to act as though you're the CEO of a multimillion dollar company when you're not making multimillion dollars. But there's a greater good to it. You know what I'm saying? And that's like what keeps me grounded in this. What is that greater good for you?

I know you sort of described it. Yeah, like reaching people, reaching people, you know, making people feel like they're less alone. The process is just as cathartic for me as it is for the listener at the end of the day. You know, they hear the words, they resonate with them, then they kind of reiterate like those vibrations. You know, it's like the ripple effect. You know what I'm saying?

And that's what's important to me. Everything else is all fucking whatever. It's all air. You know? At the end of the day, it's impact. I could have a million followers. You know, if I dumbed it down, didn't give a shit, changed up my whole image, whatever. I could have millions and millions of people, you know, lining up.

But I don't fucking care. Really, I just want, like, that kid in the middle of Nebraska not to fucking kill himself, you know? Or I want, you know, I just want people to feel liberated through the arts, the way that I felt liberated through the arts, essentially. I really appreciate that you recognize that because I think that music, when we're having dialogues with people, when our family doesn't understand us, when our community might not understand us, music is a place where there is no judgment, where you can relate and you can connect. And I think there is a huge responsibility on people like yourself to deliver that, because we're reliant on it.

I think when we see more and more like political discussions and things moving in that direction, people go try and find safe havens in music, in connection, in the stories that you share. Yeah, of course. I mean, it's a safe place. It's a safe place for me. It's a safe place for the listener, you know, safe inside sometimes. I have to ask, you have a few songs with Chris Webby. I know you're going on tour with him.

Can you talk about a few of the songs that you've done with him and what that experience has been like? Hmm. I will. I love Chris. He's a fucking character, that guy. I'm into a cigarette for this one. For sure. So for people who don't know.

Justin has made a few songs with Chris Webby. One is being superstar, and one is Lord Knows. Then we got a top song. We'll go to some more dope shit. Webby's a great guy, man. He's really helped me out, and he really has believed in me through this process and giving me a shot. While my music is extremely different from his,

we've found this like middle ground that really works for both of us um he brings out inspiration to me and i inspire him so when we're in the studio together it's a very symbiotic relationship it's it's great um it's really cool plus that's the fucking homie um lord knows um i actually wrote that hook for somebody else that originally was not a Chris Webbie song. I was for this other guy, and he was supposed to get Macklemore on it or some shit. And I wrote the hook, and I recorded it in my apartment when I was living in

Los Angeles. And nothing came of it. Also, the hook was very different. Now, me and Webb, we have the same producer. Not JP on the track, but Knox beats. Webby and Knox worked very closely together and Knox and I are pretty much partners

creatively everything that I put out up to this point has been me and Knox or Knox has touched it in some sort of way so Knox played Webby the Lord Knows Hook that I did because he liked the beat and Webby was like yeah I fuck with this and let's do it have him come in here and like change it

and I met Webby like years prior through my friend I grew up a token so I did a show with Token and Chris Webby came out as a surprise guest, and that's the first time I met him. And then years later, yeah, we wound up doing Lord Nose. He loved it. I wound up going to his house, and we were just kicking and bullshitting.

And then the next time I came up, I made Superstar in like 20 minutes. Really? Yeah, the hook. me and JP on the track I got there and that's actually me on the piano too so I got there and I brought this bad boy

brought this fucking truck with me and yeah I was just fucking around and playing some shit on it and then the take it out and say it's not email like that was kind of coming out

and then yeah Webby wasn't even in the fucking room it was just me and J.P. Vibein out because he was tired. I had drove from Boston to Connecticut and it was kind of a hard drive. So it was nighttime and Webb was tired. You know, so I was like, fuck it, I'm a mash out.

And yeah, the Spawn Superstar. Incredible. And you guys are going on tour together. Are you excited? What's the feeling like is the tour nears? You're coming to Chilac. I'm very excited to see you, Chris Webb, echo all live

All right here Arab do you have tickets Are you good I got tickets of course I've got tickets All right for sure I'm gonna make it a point To say what's up

What's it called? Yeah I'm fucking hype I love tour Tours sick We just did the Midwest In the fall Together And that was a lot of fun

It's cool because I play with the live band You know I play with a full band So I bring that element and they fucking love it the fans love it um and as time goes on the more people know me so like people will start coming to the shows and knowing the the lyrics to my songs and stuff and i'll be in like the middle of fucking nowhere and i'll be like dude this is nuts um like i have um

imposter syndrome really bad so i think it's so crazy to put you as one of the the openers because you set the bar so high your voice sets it so high your lyrics what you're saying sets it so high that i'm just so excited to attend because i think that it's just going to be an unforgettable experience yeah no the lineup is totally stacked dude i mean it's me annoyed echo webby the line the lineup's fucking stacked it's gonna be insane every night um so i'm really excited about it i've never been out of the country before are you able to tell people how they're able to find you, how they're able to get tickets to your tour, some of the places that you're going. Yeah, for sure. Shit, you can find me everywhere, just type in Justin Clancy.

And the tickets for tour are on Chris Webby's website. They're posted all over the place. They're on my Spotify as well. And we're hitting a lot of places, dude. I can't even pronounce that. I know you're going all across B.C., which I'm very excited about. Many of our listeners are from there, so I'm super excited to be able to let my friends know. I've already told a bunch of them that they need to get out and attend this, that it's going to be an unforgettable moment.

Thank you so much for being willing to do this. I know that you have other places to be today. I know that you're a very busy individual, but it's such an honor and privilege to be able to sit down with such an incredible voice. Dude, thank you so much. I don't know who this guy is that you're talking about, but I appreciate it. Thank you, man. This was great. You asked awesome, awesome questions,

and I hope the best for you in this podcast. You deserve it. Thanks. Justin Clancy, go check him out. His music is all over the place. I've shown him to my friends, and all of them are immediately hitting the download button. So go check him out.

Follow him on Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, and tune into this amazing voice. Oh, yeah. Thank you, Aaron. I appreciate you, man. Awesome. Have a good rest of your day. Again, thank you so much.

much for being so understanding. You too. No problem at all, guys. Have a good day, man. You too. Adios. There you have it. Another incredible episode. Yes, you pulled that out. I think his music is really unique because it's outside of my normal scope of rap,

but it's because he still has that poetic element that I really admire. When I can sit there with a song and, like, see it differently a week later, A lot of the songs on the top 10 list are very shallow, thoughtless, went to the store and bought some M&M's, not, nothing deep about it. I don't know I'm ripping on M&M's. Don't cast shade on M&M's. I like M&M's. They're good. I really like the almond ones, if I'm being honest. Yeah, almonds are good. Peanuts are not allowed in our house.

My daughter has a severe allergy, so... But they were my favorite. No way. eat them here? Are you worried about breathing out the peanut? She's super allergic, so we just don't try to touch or consume anything with peanuts. Wow. Anyways, that's way off the beaten path for this podcast. Fair enough. Thank you all for tuning in to another Bigger Than Me podcast episode.

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