Nuanced. - 69. Tim Srigley II: Whisky Shenanigans

Episode Date: August 11, 2022

Tim was a past guest on the podcast. Tim is the creator behind Black Flag Leather Goods. Aaron and Tim catch up, drink whisky and discuss their background and current events.Send us a textThe "What's Going On?" PodcastThink casual, relatable discussions like you'd overhear in a barbershop....Listen on: Apple Podcasts   SpotifySupport the shownuancedmedia.ca

So how do you like the Macal? We're drinking Macallan 12-year that I got from my friend Jacob. Shouted to him. He was the first on the podcast. He was the first one? That's awesome. Yeah, I've known him since I was five years old. No way, that's our wicked first guest then.

Yeah, so we talked about trying to save the Paramount and our experiences growing up. I did listen to that one, actually. Yeah, it was terrible. It was like, my, like, your interest. reviewing skills they grow so much over time because like it was just like hello how are you how are you doing today and it's like there's very little character to it but that's you want it to be terrible like you want every episode to be better than the first one that's true better than the last one rather yeah so your first one should be absolutely horrible your first probably a bunch should be yeah you don't realize it I don't think because like I was so worried about the equipment quality the the background all of that stuff and I did not think of How am I going to communicate? Well, I remember, I don't know, I've done like a ton of YouTube research and they say your first 50 videos are going to be crap. Yeah.

Probably more than that. But if you go back and look, the ones that you think were good at the time, you're just like, oh, God. Yeah. How has that curve been for you? What has that been like to look back? Do you leave up your old videos? Your first one? I do.

I think I took down one where I had some bad advice in it. And I was going to, I was like sharpening some leather tool or whatever. And then I learned better afterwards. And I was like, ah, it should come down just so people aren't wrecking my shit. Right. Because you learn more, I guess, throughout the process of what actually works. Yeah. But I haven't taken any down for the sake of their cringy.

I'll just leave them there. How long were you doing leather work before you went to YouTube? I forget. I guess I started in July and then I started YouTube in December or probably, more got into YouTube in the following January, so... Do you find it's easier? Because they say, like, you learn better through teaching. Do you feel like you're learning improved when you started making videos?

I think so, because you're more deliberate with... I imagine that's, like, for anything, but you're more deliberate with what you're doing because you're trying to be an authority on something. Yeah. And you're like, you're not an expert, but you're kind of portraying an expert. Like, people are going to go there and think... Like, if you make a video that's how to do this, someone's going to go there expecting an expert and you don't need to be.

You need to be one step ahead of them. Yeah. You need to be, you know, good enough to show them how to do one thing. Yeah. But I think so. I think you learn quick because then you'll do how to do this and you focus your time into that, how to do this thing. You'll focus your time into that.

Right. I think doing YouTube's probably a great way to learn how to do something too. Yeah. So what would you, like, because I've told a bunch of people about you and they've realized like the benefits of doing that process, but do you enjoy having the camera on you more or on what you're doing more? Probably what I'm doing more. Yeah.

I actually, I had a funny comment reason I won't try to find it, but actually I will try to find it. I get some funny comments, but I think this was my favorite comment on a video I got, and I don't know if it was an insult, but I took it as a compliment, so well. Right. I do find that your community, like, because after really, our first conversation, your community is crazy. Like, the amount of people who reached out who were like, I really loved him. Like, I've really learned a lot from him. Oh, really?

Yeah, the people who reached out and who have followed me as a consequence. That's amazing. And been like, oh, like, I loved watching his videos and, like, he's doing something similar. Like, there's one guy who's up in the interior, like, not crazy. Yeah. And he, like, yeah, he, like, reached out. And he was super friendly and thoughtful and, like, has commented on video. and just super nice guy and it's like you've created like a community like because I'm sure that's like

one percent of the communications you have yeah there's there's definitely like a core audience well I'm sure you have too like a core audience well like sort of but no not like because you're just focused around making stuff and so there's like conversations you can have about like what are we going to do next I don't have that with like my audience because they listen and then they do the rest of their day. And so I guess you could draw a different audience depending on the guest, too. That's what I mean is like, and people don't often, like, I'll have people be like, oh, like, I listen to your episodes and I'm like, I don't know who you, I've never met you.

Like, I don't, we've never communicated. I didn't even know you existed. And so like it's a weirder, more disconnected where you have like a community of people who are watching your videos to learn. And then you guys might be chatting on the side about like what tool you just bought or how you're improving X, Y, and Z. I don't, since they're not participating, It's very, like, bystand or audience.

I see. That's totally different. I love that, though, how it's, like, same platform, but a completely different experience. Yeah. Like, an audience is not an audience. It's, like, each one is a separate thing. Yeah. And then those people can be parts of different audience.

It's, I don't know. It's so cool to me. It's a trip to me because when that happened, it was like, this is, like, a huge response to people, like, talking about what they learned in the conversation. Where, for the most part, it's, like, to me, it's, it's like, to me, it's like post and ghost. Like sometimes it'll be like 200 people listen and you could tell me that zero people listened and that's the response that I feel like I got because there's no one responding to it.

That's cool. I've heard that podcast analytics are really good though. Like you can see what people are watching or what people are listening to. Is that true? No. Are they Suzuki? Yeah. I don't like them.

I liked them better on Buzz Sprout. I think we talked about this before. I liked BuzzSprout more because. it would give you like a little bit more information but I don't like anchors analytics because they give you like people they're saying who'd listen to you and then people who are like listening to reoccurring episodes but it's very tough to tell and then it's like I don't learn a lot about my audience other than male and female which is very vague YouTube is YouTube tells you how long what points they tuned out at what and you can put

chapters in so you can kind of pull someone back in because you did a chapter on like the one I just did was with that guy who's suing Twitter and he talks about the World Economic Forum which if you've ever been on a conspiracy theory site there's a lot of conspiracy theories around the World Economic Forum and he dives into it and so I saw a spike in listenership podcasts don't have that interesting and you can't

like we've Spotify and Apple Podcasts recommend tagging them in like Instagram posts and Twitter posts so they can retweet or share your podcast They've never, zero percent of any of that. And so there's not like a creator community. Substack's better for that. So I don't know if you've ever used Substack, but they're very good at like newsletters. So there's like office hours.

So you can all go into a forum and like sort of like Reddit, talk about issues you're facing, how to grow what the, it's not like that with podcasts. It's very independent. And so there's not really a community. And everybody is very narcissistic in the podcast world. I can see that. You almost have to be. Yeah, I don't like that.

though. That's a real characteristic. Narcestasistic in what way? Like listen to my podcast and then maybe I'll listen to yours. Like that's what the forums with podcasts are like is like somebody will be like, how do I, like, do you recommend this microphone? Well, if you tune into my podcast, you'll hear that I use this, but like it's very sally.

It's very listen to my episode and I don't really care about what your issue is. Yeah, okay. And so it's not very fruitful for like the leather working community. built is very like oh i'll try and help you out and like oh like um i've tried that and it didn't work like it's very i'm not trying to get anything out of you where podcasts it's all about like listen to my episode oh i see you know that that leather working community though was like that well before i started it's like i don't know if it's always been that way but it is like one of the most supportive communities i've ever been a part of just like a bunch of awesome people

that all want to help each other with like a few idiot exceptions but but but mainly everyone's amazing. Yeah. And then they helped me. And then that was part of my reason for doing YouTube was like, well, I'll just like move it forward. And then I, like, or pay it forward rather. And then I've always just wanted to do YouTube too.

So it just kind of was perfect. How did, how did that decision come about for you to want to like put yourself behind the camera? Because you could probably get away with not being behind the camera ever. You probably could. I thought of doing something like, are you big YouTube guy? Binging with Babish.

So he's like a cooking guy And he started His channel's brilliant And he's like millions of followers And like making stupid money But he started just recreating Meals and Foods from film And his was just

He would film like If this is like cooking top He would film here So it was just his midsection And what he's doing with his hands And then he does a voiceover for it And you would rarely see his face Now he's blown up

and he's more of a character. But I thought of doing something like that. Yeah. And I don't know. I still don't really like being on camera. You have the face for it, though. Do you think so? I think so.

Maybe the face for leather work, but... Yeah. I think you can pull it off. When people, when I showed the sheriff, your site, he loved everything about your aesthetic, but you also looked apart. I think I mentioned that to you before. Yeah.

That could be. Yeah. This guy, so this is my favorite comment I've ever gotten. I don't know. You tell me. if you think it's a compliment or not. But he said, this is Winters.

For some reason, your delivery reminds me of between two ferns. You have a slightly ironic slow cadence. The same as Zach G uses. That is a compliment. Zach Galvanathis is a crazy successful person. He is, but I think his how he speaks is a character,

and this is just how I speak. So I still don't know if it's a compliment around, but I'm taking it that way. Yeah, you should. Because I think you need something unique, and I think that you have that. And I think a lot of people get that from how you describe things. Could be.

Yeah. I don't know. And your thumbnails are really good. Your thumbnails to beat my thumb nails. You know what it's all about is the stupid red arrow. Yeah. YouTube thumbnail? Yeah.

Big red arrow. I can't do a big red arrow. I know. You can't do. When are we going to point at the day? I guess. When are you, just go full narcissists?

Listen to my podcast and just an arrow. Yeah. I added my, did you see it? Did I already do the change to my style when you were last because I uh now my face is on it yeah I think you did okay I think you did I don't know that was a trip I was very nervous because it's like bigger than me until I didn't want to put my face on it but then I was like people keep saying like I want to tune in and then I'm like bigger than me podcast and they're like I'm not going to remember that tomorrow when I go to

type it in I'm going to remember your name exactly and and it's a thing even like for thumbnails and stuff. It's like if you look it up stats on YouTube, thumbnails with faces on them, get more views than thumbnails without so stick your face on everything, man. Yeah. And I think I've got better thumbnails now than Lex Friedman. I like Lex, but... I really like

him too, but something I like about him is like, is this like nonchalance about him. Like, I think he could probably make a better thumbnail and he just doesn't care. Same with Andrew Huberman. Yeah. Yeah, he makes terrible thumbnails. Yeah. But the contents are amazing. My friend Jake actually just

said he was like, your audio quality is better than Andrew Huberman's. Because I run it through this thing to like level out. So your voice, even if you're like way back here, that I can level it out. And it doesn't sound like he does that because he was like, I have to crank it for Andrew Huberman and then I have to lower it down for the guest. And so I'm constantly fiddling with the volume.

Well, we can talk about it. Like since I've been here before now, we can talk about you a little bit. So explain your whole setup here. because I want to know. I'm trying to kind of set up something a better, like, voiceover station or maybe I, like, would love to do a podcast. Yeah. Which we need to talk about more.

We need to talk about that. But so I got, you run the Scarlet 4i4. Okay. So I got the Scarlet 2I2. Yeah. No difference. It's the same thing. But I didn't, I paid $200.

I didn't know that until you told me that. I was going to get the 4i4 and then you said it was the same thing. So I got the 2I2. Yeah. Um, so are these, are they running directly out of the monitor on the 2.I2? The 4.4. Sorry. Yeah. So I have a splitter and people talk a lot of smack about the splitter. I don't know if you've heard that, but I had one slitter that went, never touched it in my life, but it just broke.

Um, so apparently splitters aren't great. Um, but you don't need it to be great for this. Nobody is going to hear what you and I are hearing. It's going there and then we're monitoring a separate. 100%. So it doesn't matter. But like the problem is like, it cuts out. Like if I touch it at all, it'll start, it'll start going that and like you'll lose it in one a year and like splitters are just low like they don't make a great so

the person was saying I can buy a preamp and I can run it through that and then it won't have that issue but I guess splitters because there's no power coming from them running two microphones takes more power and so you can lose the benefit. That's interesting. Yeah and so

I have yeah the Scarlet 4i4 the road pod mics which I really like they're supposed to have like the plosive reduction wasn't great at that but then I put this over it I could have gotten one of those I don't know what they're called the big the shields yeah I just think they aesthetically look awful and so I chose the black because people recognize a black microphone no they look good man yeah and even like this I mean this is like a total nerd thing but like even this road arm is like

the best of these arms or there's like and there's a cover for them now so they have the the PSA 1. Yes. And they can cover it now. Yeah, but the logo, they like plastered it. It looks kind of janky, I think. I think this looks nicer. Oh, interesting. But I think there's this and then there's like the Gator Frameworks one that Joe Rogan uses, which I like as well.

I don't like those ones. Do you not? Yeah. I like, I get it because it's like lower and it's. Yeah. But I just, there's something about this that I just prefer because I see his gator arms and they just kind of look like you're in a shop. And the rest of his space doesn't look like that at all. No. Have you seen, he did a video where he was kind of talking about his setup, and he has some, like, cool stuff. He has, like, they have, like, panels there where they have, like, a cough button and stuff where they can mute their mic.

I didn't see that video, but, yeah, I've heard of that. It's a pretty nice setup. And then Jamie has, like, a whole workstation there, and they, like, showed his whole state. It's pretty cool. I haven't seen that. Yeah, they have a pretty cool set up. They post all their stuff online, which I like. You can go through his studio, and they have all the pieces that he owns. yeah i like that it's still like a two-man crew yeah that's that's like i'm sure there's like more people working there or there's just doing things but but i think in like making the podcast i'm pretty sure they're the only two with their hands in it really yeah i think that that's really admirable they make it seem like anybody can do it and that's definitely how they can they're the biggest podcast in the world i mean i know he has like experience being on tv and and

you know talking in front of people but really anyone can do it yeah that's how felt about some of my guests like I had an ocean pollution expert on and I was like this is a Joe Rogan level quality guest that he could go on there if you if like Joe Rogan knew about him and it wouldn't be like outside the realm of possibility so that's really helped like re kind of calibrating because you can be like oh there's like not big names and it's like well the name is as big like there's lots of people he's interviewed that you didn't know about until you saw him on there and this could just be another one of those people is that a bit intimidating sometimes if you have like some brilliant guest on you're like man I'm like you're so much smarter than me

the biggest trip is being like why are you in my house like like what like I'm not qualified like there's no credentials here that makes me like the people that some people are really grateful for it and it's like sometimes I'm sitting there and I'm like you're an ocean pollution expert like been to the UN presented to Obama like you're just in my house just talking about your life like this in my head i'm like you're just wasting your time man like i don't know anything and so that's a trip and it's been a journey to try and feel more like this is that's the bullshit part though is that's like the imposter syndrome you know sinking in like you're an interviewer and these are people that want to get you know what they're doing out there so it makes

sense that they would come here but it yeah it's just like crazy what you're doing while you're doing it yeah he came out from the island yeah and stayed out here just just just to sit down with me and talk to me and it was just like super nice guy it's just such a trip like our provincial apiculturist for all of bc coming and sitting down and saying stuff and it's just like and then i try and remind myself like there's not another platform like mine though like he could just go on it's not like there's competition in the long-form conversation space that i'm up against yeah but it's hard to show that differentiation like i would love to interview like Jody Wilson are able. But I don't know what the appetite is for average people to want

to tune into that. Like I don't know what her viewership is. It's the trip about like Obama was going to start a podcast. And then Spotify was like, we're not paying for that. Because your audience will like a post on Twitter or will galvanize around an issue. But they're not just sitting down to hear your thoughts on things. And that's been a trip. It's like, who's knowing the numbers and seeing who really has pull and who doesn't

has been surprising because the people I go this one's going to hit it's going to explode have been like oh well I thought it was going to hit because I think you're a really interesting person and that's how it goes

have you been able to like pinpoint a certain type of I want to say subject like guests or issue or something that usually does better than another or is politics politics? Politics seems to be the poll for most people. I can see that.

I can, depending on how I phrase it, politics can pull. And I think just like all, like I have, I think, criminal, criminological audience because I did criminology. And so a lot of the people I know did the criminology degree with me. And so they've been a huge audience of like consistent listeners. And so when I bring on, like, a Daryl Plekis, who's got a background in criminology called out corruption,

his episode killed. And I had no, I had no idea. I did criminology, too. And I remember Daryl Plekis from there. Yeah. And so you did criminology? Yeah. How did we not talk about that?

I don't know. I don't know. I, you know what? I blew my mind. I pulled the plug early. I didn't ever finished it. Oh. But you did it at UFE?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Who's some of your professors that you remember? Oh, God. It was a long time ago. I'm like, uh, I'm, like, 10 years older than you, aren't I?

I don't know. How old are you? 26. I'm 36, so 10 years older than you. Right. Let's see. I remember Daryl Plexus. John Martin?

I know of John Martin. I'd never take a class with him. Annette Vogue? No. Brian. I don't know. His last name is Brian. Foot.

No. John Hight? No. Reagan Hight. No. um oh simon thompson who's the criminal law uh i do i had him for one one class that i mostly slapped through that's i had john hight on and uh he's really interested in marijuana legalization and i fell asleep in his class and we talked about it to do that's pretty funny yeah i told

him that like he was one of those people who was like you can be more than you are and you're just not it's a shame and i not having like a father that was like a big, like, oh, like, I didn't, you don't think you're capable of more, usually. Like, you don't think about it. Yeah. And so you're slacking, you're getting through life. And then somebody comes along and says that, and it's, like, inspirational in a way. And it's like they almost, I almost needed him to think that I was a failure in order to get motivated because of it.

Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. The thing with that, like, 20s, like that period of your, like, even when you're in school and stuff, unless you're, like, some. Wicked student. You're still like an idiot kid when you start going to college. And it's like, it's like ending this like high school,

this like idiot phase. And then you're supposed to be like an adult. And it's, I don't know. I found it to be a hard transition. Like I still like I got good grades and stuff in, in a university, not in high school.

But I found like looking back now, I was still an idiot like well into my 20s. Like you're not like, Finnish high school and you're an adult. Yeah. Or I guess, there's some people who get old and they're still in a high school mentality. You know,

that's actually a good point. Yeah. Just even going to like, like I went to this purple haze event and people were really cool there. But it was a trip being on, like we were driving a bus up to Columbia Valley and almost everyone on the bus was like 40 plus and they were acting like hooligans. And I was this 26.

year old trying to be like, okay, we're like getting on the bus now. Like, we need to not destroy the bus. And like, it was just interesting to see like grown adults, like letting loose and doing it in the exact way that like high school students let loose. Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny. It was a trip. It was like, it was weird because they were like respecting me as the adult in the room. And it's like, I'm 30 years younger than you. And so like this whole rule rule book of like how people are isn't, it isn't the case could literally be their kid yeah yeah and i was just like they were making like silly jokes like what did i say i was like um well we were giving you these tokens and i was like okay like

does everybody have their tokens and then this like probably 60s 65 year old guy was like no i don't have any tokens i don't know what you're talking about and it's like this is this is what elementary school like the shenanigans you're pulling right now is identical to that of like a kid being like everybody get a cookie and a kid being like i can get a cookie like it's the same. It's classic. Yeah, it's classic. Yeah. So what made you do criminology? What, like, did you want to be a police officer? Where did that come from? I thought about it at one point. I, you know, I was like a horrible student and it was kind of just the only thing that interested me. I think, I think there was like touching on some criminal stuff in one of my

social studies class in high school. I kind of hit a point where I was such a crappy high school student that I realized that I needed to actually figure out what I wanted to do or I was just going to be like doing nothing. Why do you think you were a crappy high school student? I just wasn't like dedicated, bad grades, not really. I don't know. I wasn't really going anywhere. So just like a lot of drinking and crap.

Was that like parent, like were your parents good to you or just didn't have high? Like, where... It was just, I don't know what it was. I don't know if anything caused it. It was just maybe it was bad friends or not bad friends with the wrong group of friends or whatever. But, yeah, I just skipping school and not really applying myself there. And then I kind of realized, you know, you're in grade 12. You got to figure this out in a hurry.

So what was your biggest takeaway from university? What did you... Was it like a turning point? In university? Yeah. Some of it was interesting. If I went back, I would actually pursue the psychology end of it. I liked that kind of stuff more than the criminology.

Interesting. I kind of found with criminology that it would be really useful if you wanted to be like a criminal researcher or, I don't know, just, I think they're, like, even for people who want to be co-ops, I think there's better courses that you could probably take, probably business psychology, something like that, than criminology itself. But I think if you wanted to research, like, criminal behavior, you have to do it. Yeah, I liked criminology, not necessarily for, like, the things I learned, but for the disagree. We had, like, this room called the crim room. And me and, like, most of the students, there was, like, a core group of us. And we would go in there, and we would debate legalization of, like, prostitution, um, marijuana, all the different, like, philosophies around crime, environmental crime. because like those classes were fun yeah but like sitting around and like arguing with people

because like the one thing i didn't feel i didn't like was i was constantly used by professors and students as like give us the indigenous opinion on this and like i really resented that because yeah i didn't have a lot of the experiences you'd want an indigenous person to have in order to speak on it so like i didn't my grandmother went to indian residential school but i didn't My mother went to the 60s group, but I didn't. I didn't grow up on reserve. So, like, some of the typical lived experiences that they'd be calling on, I didn't feel like I had, which is why I don't like the term white privilege either, is because it's too general to take into account, like, there are Caucasian people who grew up on reserve. There are people with just different experiences, and I know that only goes so far, but I just don't like, I didn't like being used in that way.

And then a lot of the arguments students would make was, like, with the overrepresentation of indigenous people in the prison system, it's like the kind of philosophy was that they were just like, people just found an indigenous person and put them in max prison. And that's like, that's not what happens. Yeah. It's like, what usually happens is indigenous people on reserve are more likely to commit violent crimes. Violent crimes puts you in a different category in where you're going to go in the prison system. and that's a challenge, is how do we bring down the violent nature of the offenses? It's not just assault. It's assault with a weapon.

And so that puts you into a whole new category where there's harsher penalties. So being a native court worker has been a blast because I get to really help people kind of steer their life in a different direction. But I learned a lot more through people, like, through debates, and I was like the most known for, like, debating. Like, you could say that the sky was blue. And I'd be like, well, technically, it's just a reflection of the wall. water, and it's not actually blue. And so I always enjoyed that part of the criminology degree.

That's good. Is that something that you've always been good at as debating, or is that something you could kind of hone through school and then interviews now? It was something I honed, but I've always been someone who will just disagree. And my partner always talks about how I'm a very disagreeable person. That's good. And super useful. I think I have sharpened it, so there's a purpose to it. But It's an utensil I don't get to use very often. So it's something like I've thought about doing like hosting debates and being the moderator between the two because I'd enjoy having someone who's extremely one-sided and extremely the other-sided kind of clash it out. Like what are your thoughts on the truckers? Do you have a position on that?

Uh, I mean, I'm not going to go and join them. Yeah. Do they have a point? I think initially they did. Yeah. it's hard to say it's hard to say they're all like the same I think I think maybe probably the core group

that started organizing it had a big point to it but I think there's a large amount of them that are there just kind of for the party aspect of it too so I think there's a mix what about mandatory anything not one thing but like there's this challenge we have which is like

it feels like we're straw manning all the positions, which is, like, uh, I like Clint Hames, but basically what he said is anyone with a Canadian flag right now is on the wrong side of history. Yeah, that, it's kind of unfortunate that any movement should be able to kind of take the Canadian flag and make it associated with that thing, whether it's truckers or anything. Yeah. It should just be, if you want to fly a Canadian flag, you fly a Canadian flag and not be lumped into any group. But that's how it's like, to me, It's how it's always been, which is like, the Canadian flag will always be associated. Like, it's usually associated with good things when we were, like, fighting in World War II.

Yeah. You hold up that Canadian flag. You're representing Canada. And wow, we were, we were fighting this glorious war and fighting for freedoms and human rights. And so you don't care that everyone's associating it with that. It's only when it's something bad that you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, you can't associate this with that. And it's your own perspective that. it's bad. Because to me, regardless of who holds it up, they're trying to call you to what the

flag is supposed to represent. And so in that position, they were arguing freedom. Now, whether or not our freedoms are actually in jeopardy, debatable. But that's what they were hypothetically holding it up for. Yeah. And so I just feel like we're in this, like I'd like to have someone pro-trucker and then someone anti-trucker. Let's have it. Let's hash it out. Let's try and figure out, is there anything that they did that was right? Yeah. Is it good, just in a democracy, that we have people disagree, like to have one side and the other side?

You need to. Yeah. You need to have, well, like, you're the disagreeable person. You need to have that devil's advocate. You always want to have that. It's the same, even, criminal justice, even to have, you need defense lawyers to defend someone because they make the cops do their job. See, I don't like the term devil's advocate as much.

I like the term. Have you heard of steel manning? Yeah, I have, actually. You said it, and then I listened to that podcast, and they talked about it a whole bunch. So, uh, the Lex Friedman and the bishop, I forget his name. Yeah. So I'm a big,

they talked about steel manning a lot in that one. Yeah, Lex always calls his guest to steal man the position of the other side, which is like, devil's advocate is often to me comparable to straw manning, taking the, the general points that you've heard, inherited from other people and not really, but really thinking about what they're playing. position is, and that's why it's hard for me to condemn truckers, be pro-truckers, because like, there's merit to what they're saying. They're saying it absolutely imperfectly,

but they're saying something, and if you just dismiss them, you're fixing nothing. And it seems like we don't have very many debates now. Yeah, I feel so, and they, they talked in, we were talking about the Huberman podcast, how people really attach their opinion and beliefs to who they are and I really offended if someone challenges it and I think that's becoming more common that people are less inclined to actually challenge people now yeah and it's kind of unfortunate because and judge from a background yeah like I'm I think that the the trucker convoy are fighting for what they believe in which is admirable um but it's it's one of those things like who am I to say what they're fighting for is who are they to say what they're fighting for is right it's it's it all comes

down to opinion and I don't think uh anyone will ever get to the bottom of it like it'll just be one of those things that kind of fades away for the next thing yeah and I think there isn't another piece which is like sort of what Joe Rogan touched on which was like often in a conversation between the two of us we might miss a point that somebody else could raise and be like hey but you guys forgot about this and then it's like fair enough. Like, we're not, we're not, and like, I don't have a piece of paper here that I'm reading off of, like, I thought of every perspective. Yeah. Somebody shows up with another opinion that we go, oh, well, if we had a thought of that, maybe we would have had come to a different

conclusion. But, like, podcast, it's tough to do that. And you kind of judge, like, oh, they didn't bring that up. They avoided this or something. It's like, well, like that. Yeah. And there's, like, the thing about absolutes, too, like, just because I'm right doesn't mean you're wrong. Yeah. So it's, I don't know. There's. It's like this tribalism thing where people, if you challenge them, they're, you know, immediately pissed off and not like, I don't think one conversation is ever going to change someone's mind, but you don't got to, like, attack someone because they don't agree with you. It doesn't matter. That was the trip. It was another interview with Mr. Rogan, where he was talking about, the danger with podcasts is they do wash away some of the bad things that someone's done. And he talked specifically about it. Alex. It was with the Lex Friedman and Joe Rogan interview and how certain conversations can wash away some of the mistakes of the past. And I've thought about that. I've thought a lot about having certain people on who have made errors in judgment and how just having the conversation. And if people listen to it, it sort of cleans their reputation. It's like putting in the washing machine and washing those mistakes away because they owned it. And it's like, at what point are you watching? washing away, like, should someone like Alex Jones, who, like, can you imagine losing your

kid in a school shooting and having someone for years accuse you of being like a faker and being paid to do this and, like, should we wash that person's reputation clean? Should he be able to have that be put in his past? That's a weird question. Mm-hmm. The answer to that. I don't think there is an answer to that. No.

It's one of those, like, you're basically asking at what point is something inexcusable. Like, there's obviously going to be, you know, a certain amount of things that you can do that you can own up to and be forgiven for. And then where is the line where you can't forgive someone? And obviously, that line is subjective. Like, everyone's going to have a different line. Do you know Barry Neufeld here in July? I know the name Yeah, he's a school trustee

He's like Oh, I do know him now Yeah And so like he's one of those people It'd be Fascinating to me personally To have a conversation with him Like for my own

Just I've heard so much Terrible things about you sir Like I want to understand What is the merit To what you're talking about It seems like you don't like People who are different Um

seems like for a long time we've hated on those people who are different and so explain this but there's a certain point at which it's almost like you're letting him off the hook for it if you have that conversation I think that's a challenge

it's a risky move for you and then people will think I'm endorsing or I'm and like that's the challenge with the name I've thought about the name a lot should I change it? Is it fruitful because then I can't interview perhaps people I find interesting because I'm saying they act in a way that's bigger than themselves.

So you'd think of just going to the Air and Pete podcast? APP. APP. I've thought about it. I want to be able to pass this on to someone, though, one day. I want to be able to... I've gained so much from the experience of talking to people. Yeah.

Like, it's such a trip to know that I've spoken to ocean pollution experts, bee experts. The bee expert one was awesome. I didn't expect to enjoy a bee expert, and I was more into it than I thought it was going to... Man, Paul, what a mensch to come all the way out. He lives in a fair distance away, and for him to come on and share his story. It was really cool. It was such a trip to be able to do that.

So I feel like, as much as everybody jokes about, like, everybody has a podcast. It's like, it's a form of learning, though. And it's a form of independent learning that is healthy. It gives you different. thoughts, it gives you different perspectives on things. You should reach out to them at. I was sorry, I was just talking about this is like totally. This is just an observation I've made recently, probably, it's only a regional thing.

Yeah. There are next to no wasps this year, anywhere. Yeah, you're right. And then there's bees everywhere again. And I think wasps eat bees. But that's true. You're right. I wonder what caused the wasps to disappear.

And the mosquitoes. All the mosquitoes are. I wonder what, I wonder what's up with the, because this. We know that's due to water levels, but you're right. All the spots, I don't know if you ever walk the... Well, we live in the same neighborhood now. But we go to the Fraser River Trail. So we go, like, we drive 45, 30 minutes all the way across town to do the Fraser.

Yeah. Because it's so quiet. Like, this is sometimes quiet, but it can be really busy. So we'll go to the Fraser and there's those gates. And then the wasps always live in there. Yeah. You've seen no was. None.

Yeah. It's true. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. Do you want to try the other one now? Yeah. What is it? Oh, okay. So I'm no scotch expert by any means. But this is, well, this, you're McCallin's a Scotch too, actually. You were talking about whiskeys last time. And what whiskey, is there like a type of whiskey that you normally enjoy, like a bourbon or a scotch or a rye or whatever? Is this it? Or like, is there a type of whiskey that you normally lean to?

This is like one of the first ones I've ever gotten. It is. Oh, that's right. And then I always do Jack Daniels. the Honey Jack with the Coke. Oh, do you? Okay. Yeah. So Jack Daniels is Kentucky bourbon. I think it's a bourbon. I don't know. It's an American whiskey.

And I was kind of trying to do a little bit of whiskey research before I came here because I was caught off guard last time. So I think so for a, I learned a bourbon needs to be 51% or higher corn and made in America. Yeah. and then so this is so these two are going to be scotch and scotch needs to obviously be made in Scotland and then there's like so this is single malt so the two words are independence of each other so single means it's from a single distillery wow and malt means that it's malted barley which is like toasted barley what's barley uh just a grain so instead of corn corn and grain instead well but if it's a malt then it's going to be all barley is my understanding oh

Whereas the other ones can be So bourbon is the one with corn So bourbon's 51% Like just majority corn And then you can add grains to it So this is going to be one distillery And just malted barley And then you can have

The other one's called single grain And it would be any mix of grains other than barley And so what did the McAllen taste like to you And don't use the fake words I don't know that I'm like This is like all research I did today It was to get my whiskey knowledge up. It was good.

I had a bit of sweetness. It did, and it wasn't all that smoky. I think this might be a little bit smokier. I like the really smoky ones, but not everyone's into it, but it's going to go. Awesome. I'm excited. I'm just going to quickly open the door because it's... It's roasting in here.

There we go. We'll give him a little bit more and get him talking. It's good because we live in the same neighborhood now that, yeah, my wife dropped me off, and then I can hop on that trail and literally walk home after this. It's amazing. Yeah, absolutely. What's her plans for the afternoon? Anything fun?

Hers? Yeah. No, she's going to relax. Relax, I think, yeah. Yeah, we're having a rough go. Fair enough. All right. What did you think of the first one?

I liked it Oh, that's a little bit smoky Yeah, it was very smooth I don't know the words like You ever see like a Somaliere or like someone who's I don't know Super into food, wine, whiskey, whatever And they start talking about all these like undertones

And can they actually taste that Or are they like buzzwords that they're spitting out I would bet buzzwords But the guy, the sheriff that I was mentioning to you He was using all the words And then he was calling out the BS So I think it would be cool if we could do something with him Because I think that there's a certain level of genuineness

Coming from his knowledge And as I said, he's thinking of starting a YouTube channel So I'd love to try and do something all three of us Where we drink whiskey and just talk about it Talk about it I like that Because he had like a little bit of equipment And then I think he was impacted by floods or something And he lost it

So he might lack the equipment But he has the knowledge And I think I think the biggest challenge for so many is the post-production. It's hard. Post-production is hard. But, like, it's the last thing you think about when you're getting into it, too. Yeah.

Like, well, think about your process, like, just how much it's changed post-production since you started. Yeah. I know mine was, and every little, like, I would imagine that you chop up your episodes probably less than I do. like you you like to go three hours and kind of leave it on a bridge, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I would imagine you leave out like I had a bunch of dead air while I was looking on my phone earlier. So I imagine you cut out some of that type of stuff.

Yeah. And that's about it. Yeah. Okay. So for me, I write a script. Like I have boatload of scripts on my phone. Wow. And this is a technique that I saw on.

I actually did a Skillshare course by a top YouTuber. And this is his process. So you write a script. and then actually it's it's pretty good in bold you write all the script while your face is on camera in bold and then non-bold is when you put b-roll in so then you know where your b-roll is so before i make a youtube video i write my whole script and then i look where i want to put b-roll and i kind of make it not bold and then i put just in brackets what my b-roll is going to be and then that by the end of it it makes your shot list so you know what you got to shoot

and then I sit and I like me recording is going I look at my phone I put it here like under my desk and then I say my line and then I go like this and I say my line and then when it's non bold then I can sit and talk like this and I know I'm not on camera and it doesn't matter and I can go through the whole thing but then after the fact like I'll do a bunch of takes because I'm not memorizing the script or or you say a bunch of things. like intros are always bad like i have like a whole bunch of shitty intros of me just like trying to start a video yeah um and then my post production is mostly cutting out all the crap like i'll shoot for like probably an hour and then i'm trying to cut it down to somewhere around 10 minutes right and so my post production any little like secret i can come across like um Some people are really good about, like, key bindings and, and commands and stuff on their keyboard. I found this, uh, command that deletes everything, like, you put your little, like, cursor in the timeline. It deletes everything before or everything after, and that was game changing for me, where you just like, okay, cut this out, cut this out, and then, like, just nerding out over, like, post-production, I, yeah, I've found that I love.

post-production now because there's so much like, so many dumb little tricks that you can learn and it's so like, oh my God, this is going to save me so much time when you learn them. So I went from hating it and sucking at it. I still suck at it, but I suck less at it and I've learned

some tricks and I kind of enjoy it now. Yeah, I don't know the feeling. I hate post-production. Do you really? Just because it's like, it's going back between and like, I want to find a way, but there's no clear way yet. So like, in my last interview with Joel back in I was able to have like a third camera angle and it was like an

overlooking both I loved it there's no way to do it because the video cameras are a certain distance away and if I put them farther back and zoom in you lose quality I want you to get a top down top down will be so that would be a trip but I like the one of like seeing both of us sitting here yeah it's nice because then I don't have to stress as much about going back and forth. Quality is a little bit better. The challenge with these video cameras is if I go up from this place to another one, it's like $1,000 a video camera.

And so, like, the jump up is steep, so it's $2,000 for new video cameras, where I bought each of these for, like, $350, something like that. So, like, $700 total. Yeah. So it was, like, it's like a tough sell. And then just going through, and, like, some interviews, I talk more, and some interviews I talk way less. and so that's a trip too to see

and then I've had arguments that I need to talk more because part of it is like they're tuning in to hear me ask questions but when I started this the thing was like I'll just get out of your way and like I just think the community needs to hear from you but then they're committing to that guest and not the podcast if that makes sense and so it's been like a back and forth in my mind which is again the temptation to switch to the R&P podcast or something like that is because you're tuning you're tuning in to hear me ask them questions yeah where I've

sort of built the podcast around you're tuning in for the guest but then that makes it very difficult to grow anything yeah for sure because then once that guest is gone yeah nothing that's interesting you know I like hearing about it because it's so much difference so much different than my experience here you're not wrong about the the cameras though like they're stupid expensive yeah and then also the lens they come with are cheap and then you got to upgrade the lens so i just like upgraded the lens on my new camera and it was like 500 bucks just for the lens and then are these 1080 are they 4k 1080 okay so i was 1080 before and i jumped to 4k thinking it was brilliant 4k footage is more than

double the size of 1080 footage so then storage becomes an issue like every time i upload all my footage to my computer it's like 100 gigs of footage of footage each time, each episode. And I'm like, I have a pretty nice computer. I haven't run out of space yet, but now I'm starting to think about my storage solutions here. And then you've got to think about where to store it because you want to keep all your,

I would imagine you want to keep all your original footage in case you ever need it, you probably won't. Shout out to Stolo archives, because they've taken all my extra footage. No way. Yeah. Oh, that's wicked. They've given me, it's like a 5 terabyte store system.

And so, yeah, I just get the storage thing, upload four months worth podcasts. That's awesome. And then I have a 2 terabyte system that I just keep everything on here. I take it back then. You should go 4K. Yeah, I would like to if I can afford to. The problem is I've got like a couple businesses brewing here and I'm trying to do this. This is my love.

It's just it's so tough to see where I could take this. Yeah. That's, like, that's my big challenge. It's like, I want it to be big, like, go in the direction of the Lex Friedman's. Yeah. I don't know how they got there. Like, I don't know. But they started here.

Yeah. But there's not, like, a clear, there's not a clear path. Everybody paves their own path. Yeah. I don't know what my path is. And. But I think you figure it out by just doing this thing. Yeah.

I'll just keep going. I just, like, I'm not growing exponentially, where it's, like, clear to me where the takeoff point is. And again, I think the tough sell is the people I'm having on, like, I could go to, like, a Zoom model and have on, I don't know if you've heard of him. He's one of the guys on CTV, and he does a brilliant job. I'm, of course, blanking on his name, the fault of this delicious whiskey. but he does power play and he has two people on and they debate things

and he sits there on CTV and ask them questions I think he's brilliant I just don't know how to get there and it's not clear to me as long as I have guests on just from BC how to do that where I know I could reach out to people in Ontario

to people in the US and have them over Zoom but then personally I feel like I lose something because I'm not really their friend we don't really know each other. Yeah. Well, there's something with a face-to-face conversation, too. But that really limits growth, because if I have on, there's this lady in Ontario, and she said she'd come on, but it'd be a 30-minute interview. How much do I lose? Because all your, all years are three hours. That's like your standard amount of time. There's this brilliant guy who's here and he works

at UFE. Brilliant. He's got his own podcast now, but didn't want to do more than an hour and a half. and I was like we're not going to jive in that time and so it was like my personal part and I was just like I get it like you've got your own thing

going keep going keep doing you I support you but I don't want to do that I like that you stick to it though it was it was tough in the beginning but once Lex talked about having on I think it was Mark Zuckerberg

it was one of them and he was like I regret it like I'll never do it again and so like once he said that it was like you're giving me

permission to do the same, which is to stick to the vision, but it really limits who's willing to come on. Some people think that they're going to go have success somewhere else, and it's like, fair enough. But I do think I limit, because I don't want to do a two-hour Zoom call with someone. Like, that's not going to be genuine. So how do I take this to the next level? It's unclear. That's interesting. You'd have to get like a big display here to... Yeah, big... Yeah. Because the greats are doing it more. more distanced like before it was like your laptop camera now they're getting better at having a little bit more distance and having the person kind of sit back and think about it more yeah well it comes

down to like a money issue too like like joe rogan can fly people out that's not an issue yeah but you know smaller podcasts i don't know like if you want to have guests on then and reach you have to think that it's worth your time and there's exactly like the argument i would see from like Jody Wilson, Raybold's hypothetical publicist would be like, you're not bringing in 10,000 people listening to me. And so I don't know how, I'm like, I hate to be that person because I know Joe grew organically, but like Lex Friedman goes on the podcast, then starts his own podcast, then plugs his podcast on his podcast.

Well, now you've got at least 10,000 people listening to you. So we need you to go on Joe Rogan is what we need. I don't know if I, like, I don't know if I want to do. that either. Not because I don't admire Joe and I wouldn't love having a conversation. I just he's a person who's done so much that I don't want to just

rely on him because I admire the fact he did it himself so much. Like it means so much to me that he's stood by. He's like, I've never advertised the podcast. I've never paid for marketing. I've never done those since. It's like I admire you for that. I just don't know if people can do the same

because you've created the podcast world. Yeah. I mean, he created his, like, he did build it from scratch, but he created his name long before he created his podcast. So he went into the podcast being a somebody. But you saw his first podcast. Oh, I don't know that I have, actually. I'm a recent, uh, connoisseur.

Yeah, like I recently started listening to his podcast. I actually didn't. He used to have snowflakes falling. It used to be a white wall and there used to be snowflakes falling. And they used to just get trashed and sit there in front of like a laptop and talk shit. Really? And that was it. And those were the first like, oh, that's funny.

Oh, that's funny. Then he started having guests on. Then he started realizing these guests are like accredited people. And this is crazy that I'm just sitting here. Then he started looking at like developing studio space and those things. But the first like at least 50 episodes were just him and his buddies getting high. talking shit. Really?

Yeah. No quality, no concern about. But he still does that a little bit now. Like it's, there's balance now, it seems. I,

I was never, I wasn't the biggest Joe Rogan fan, to be honest. I thought he was kind of, uh, an idiot meathead. And then, I think I listened to,

I think he'd still say that about himself, just to be clear. I think he'd still call himself an idiot meathead. He might. I know he says that he's much smarter now than he's ever been just from talking to brilliant people.

Yeah. Um, I like that. that he brings on people that he doesn't necessarily agree with. But I started listening to him because he had on, I'm trying to think of who his guest was, it might have been Huberman. But he had on a guest that I liked.

And then I was like, oh, that's cool. How did you hear about, like, someone like Huberman without? I don't know how I came across Huberman. I started following him on Instagram and then I started listening to his stuff. And then his, he works with what's the doctor

he works with Sinclair David Sinclair and I started listening to David Sinclair's podcast who Heberman produces that one and then yeah go look at their on or where we get your podcast

but on Spotify Heberman produces Oh yeah Here I'm going to show you something This is going to blow your mind Like makes Because David Sinclair man that That guy's

If he's right He was like He is right And we're gonna be able to live longer, live healthier lives, do all of those things. Like, it's just... David Sinclair's brilliant. Yeah.

Such a thoughtful person, too. Well-spoken, articulate. Like, look at his thumbnail, so... That's Hubermans. Yeah. Now watch this. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Just wait. Look at David Sinclair's. It's the same thing. It's red. Yeah. So it's the same. company, but it's not Huberman producing. I don't know. I think it's Huberman's people

that were helping him. Did you hear Huberman and Lex talk about their development of podcasts? No. Yeah, Huberman goes on walks and will sing music in order to get his voice in cadence to deliver the information.

Good for him. If he's rushing through the song and he's slurring, then he needs to speed himself up. But if he's not or if he's not keeping up, he needs to be faster. And then if he's going too fast, then he needs to slow down. And he measures his podcast voice based on the songs and tries to develop in tune with that so that he's sharp and articulate so that it flows nicely for you to listen to.

I just, I don't obviously do solo podcast, but it was just like, I admire the man for the process. Solo podcasting has got to be tough. I've thought about doing a podcast for a long time But even like doing my solo thing is sometimes tough Just a podcast or a video podcast? I don't know Okay Maybe a video

I mean That's a good question It's a question I had to ask myself It's a good question I mean I guess I don't want to like This is going to sound like I'm belittling you.

But, like, I can't imagine that adding video is much more work than podcast alone, is it? I wouldn't say so. Like, particularly because with me, like, it depends. If you're, there's some people who produce a podcast, like, who are those people that did you know people? Yeah. Those people, the stuff you should know, people, sorry. Not did you know, stuff you should know. Okay.

I think they do a lot of, I don't think they do video, but I think they do a lot of, but I think they do a lot of production in terms of the quality of the audio. So I think they'd sometimes do retakes. It depends on whether or not you're trying to do that because things will obviously, if you do retakes, come all across less authentic. And so with this, I don't view it as too much work, particularly shout out to Adobe Premiere Plus, because the process of cutting and switching back and forth has become so much easier.

Imovie used to crash on me seven, 20 times an episode. And so it would take me a whole day to do the production on it. And I would just be exhausted and burnt out and hate it by the end of it. Where now with Adobe Premiere Plus, it's like it's usually like an hour to do the whole podcast. That's pretty good. A three hour podcast. Yeah. I think mine is probably, mine probably takes me like half an hour for five minutes of footage.

Wow. But I'm doing more cutting and stuff than you are, right? And so your post production is. heavier than mine. Yeah, but my episodes are shorter. I bet you are post-production, and like you're cutting less than I am is the thing. So I bet you our post-production probably is the same.

Just my episodes are 10 minutes versus three hours. But I bet you we do like probably the same amount of cutting and stuff then. Yeah. In those two time frames. Yeah, I would be interested to know which one you prefer because then you don't need to develop your own. We can do something here. It's just that video element.

I do think add something. Obviously, you can't really go make it big on YouTube or something without video. Yeah. If you're just a voice. But so on YouTube, then is having your full podcast on YouTube better or having clips? No, better. You think the full thing on YouTube is better? Obviously.

What are your YouTube analytics like? Like, does any? Better. Are they? Often better than my podcast analyst. interesting because do people people people like the challenge is I'm not reaching like a podcast audience the way you're reaching a leather working audience yeah and so that challenge has been people again tune in for the guest more than they tune in just for the episode or just for

the podcast in general and so people know YouTube where I feel like I'm pulling and this is where it's like terrible I'm pulling people who have never watched or listened to a podcast in their life. And I'm convincing them to tune in. And the challenge with that is, they're not going to tune in again. And then it's super regional, too, because...

Yeah. 80% of my podcast is Canada. Interesting. And then 70% maybe, and then the U.S. And then Italy. Shouted to Italy. Oh, really? I have no idea why. I don't know what I did there, but yeah. That's funny.

It's like 5% Mine's U.S., Canada, and then India. Yeah. It's funny just seeing those stats and seeing who watches. Yeah, I think the benefit is the U.S. Because your poll in the U.S. is going to be huge. I mean, most of the money I make from doing mine is from Amazon in the States. I don't even have a Canadian Amazon affiliates.

I just have Amazon.com. And so that's the challenge. And so many of my guests obviously are Canadian. unfortunately probably not the best word but that's the challenge with growth is I could I think I could get on some rap artists that I really like

if I pivoted that direction but again I would want a deeper relationship with them than I could get off of a Zoom call like if I get to so like I think I've sent you a few songs Echo Vinjay they're a couple of my favorite

artists. Yeah. If I had the chance to interview them, like, I would want it to be picture perfect. Same like, even though I don't like where he's going, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, like, I would want to, and like, that would be the reason I wouldn't do the Joe Rogan experience, again, the odds that I ever be invited on is zero percent. But the reason that I would avoid it is because I'd have so many questions for him. Yeah. I'd have no interest in talking about myself in that conversation. And it's three hours. And I know, how fast three hours goes by my I do now too yeah and so to sit down with him I'd have so many questions about like his journey and like how he keeps humility like all those different questions about like

what is your process to have someone on I research guests usually takes me a couple of hours ironically it's the part I usually hate the most and then after I'm done it's the part that I go I needed to do that though I was going to ask how you get guests have you reached out to

of your guests, or have you had anyone reach out to you? I actually resent people if they ask me. Oh, that's interesting. And it's like, it's something I've struggled with internally. I don't like people asking to come on. And it's weird because I just interviewed Grace Kennedy, and she's a reporter, and she'll have people reach out with stories. Yeah.

And I don't know, I don't know if it's the disagreeable nature in me, but I have, and I know that I'm looking for something so specific that the odds that the person, and this has just been my experience from the beginning is people will be like, you should have my buddy Eddie on. And I'm like, who's your buddy Eddie? And they're like, and there's been people that are still left on like, they're, I'm waiting for a response. And it's been a year. It's been two years who've been like, you should have this person on. And I'm like, can you send me an article that talks about what they've done or any information about what they've accomplished or the difference they've made or how they're an admirable person. And they're like, I'll get back to you. And then they never reach out ever again. And it's like, that's how little. the external person usually cares about what you're doing. Yeah. It's like, have this person on.

And if it fails, if it doesn't work, and like my protectiveness has been like, I need to be genuinely curious about what the person's saying. And so if I'm not, if I'm not excited about it, it's going to be a terrible interview. You seem like you have like a really broad interest though.

Like you're not like super narrowed going after just like the same type of people every time. your your guests that have been on here are so different from each other it's it's crazy but they're all interested in what they're doing and that's your interest that my interest is the person's interest and i can get on board and that's why you just blew my mind a little bit that's what like i still talk about this after the interview we did the first time you were like thank you for like actually taking an interest in what i do and like when i heard that it was like it was such a trip because it was like of course and then i was like oh no we're in a world where so many people would have you on and be like,

oh, so what do you do, leather work? Like, explain that and, like, maybe not be as curious about, like, the process. But I can really get invested. Yeah, but it's clear that you've done your research beforehand, too, not just like I felt it with mine, but listening to you interview other people. It's very obvious that you've actually looked into it before they come in here. I have a vision in my mind of the three hours of what the first hour might look like what the second hour

what it looks like and what the third hour might look. Do you like an outline? No. What's your process? I write the questions out so you saw the questions

but usually it's just kind of a feeling and it can go any direction that it goes but usually it will be a lot of the time it ends up just being their kind of chronological journey which is like oh you you were a young person how did that shape you? You're an older person now you're here.

Tell us about that. Sometimes it'll be let's put the thing that's going to pull people in first So with Joel I think I started more with like his lawsuit of Twitter Because why are you suing Twitter Sometimes I'll take it that route I haven't listened to that one yet

But that I've seen your Instagram And that's that's drawn me in That's put it on my list of a podcast to listen to Which one did you like best Just out of curiosity on the stories Did any of them stand out to you? Of the suing Twitter one Yeah

Because I don't I get like a hundred 200 views on a story feels like it transitions into nothing. Stories, I don't know that stories go anywhere. Stories get more, sometimes more views. But do they, like, is there, I feel like they just, at least for me,

mostly, I'm skipping through stories. I know. And so, like, do those views mean anything? Do any views mean anything? Yeah, I got 5,000, 10, no, 14,000. was in TikTok views on girling man's entry. It's not representative

of all when it ended up occurring. Man, people want like... I don't understand. With reels and TikTok and probably stories too, but reels and TikTok, people want entertaining comment more than they want educational or thought-provoking or directional. Like, go here

now and do acts, yeah. Like, I have a bunch of reels and I started briefly doing just some, like, funny, stupid, skits kind of, I don't know, like leather working themed-ish or creator-themed but just goofy videos. They've done better than any real I've ever pushed out there than me actually working or anything like that.

Yeah. So I... But it doesn't result in anything, right? Not really. I mean... Follows, but... I'm doing okay. I kind of have like steady follows on Instagram and steady follows on on YouTube

where it's at a point where it's always growing by a certain amount and then it up a little bit if I do certain things like I I hate YouTube shorts I hate doing them but I don't understand them why do you not allowed music you can do music now no you can do 15 seconds worth of them okay yeah branded me okay I yeah so I put one out and then someone commented I like the real but your music cuts out part way through 15 seconds with branded music and then you can go so this has been the how is YouTube unable to do a minute of music but TikTok and Instagram can

I don't understand that Google's a bigger company are they not I don't get it I don't at least bigger than TikTok and TikTok seems like they can do whatever they want yeah it's a super headache because yeah YouTube we've basically given up on music because then I can upload a YouTube

short and then I can go onto it on the YouTube desktop and find unbranded music like unowned and then put something in the whole process is terrible in comparison to Instagram. Oh, yeah. Terrible. I really, I mean, I don't.

Obviously, they're a big corporation and have braider minds than me sitting there. But from where I'm sitting, I feel they should drop shorts and just focus on the long form content. That's where they're, that's their wheelhouse. Yeah. Like, who's the only one that can, is their comprehensive? is Vimeo. Vimeo is not really they're doing something different.

They started trying to do the same thing and they're doing something different. And they want you to take long-form conversation, like the full things and turn them into shorts and it's like, what do you guys do it?

Like, I don't understand. Yeah, but I will say this. They're rewarding people to do shorts because I made this. I made some real, so I've been kind of neglecting my Instagram, which is a funny thing that, so my following on YouTube

is to a point where my Instagram grows by about 10 people per day regardless of what I do. 10 people? Yeah. That's really good. Pretty good. Or 5 to 10, I would say. So Instagram's kind of where I started, though. So I've started putting stuff out on Instagram again. And so I made some reels. And then I was like, okay, well, if I'm going to make these,

then I'm going to put them out on TikTok just because it's the same thing. So I put them out on TikTok. And then I was like, okay, well, I'm going to put them out on YouTube as well, just because I made them. So I may as well put them out where I can. So I put, I have three reels that I did last week and I put them out on YouTube. And those three days, all of my analytics went up.

Yeah. My views all went up. My subscribers all went up and my revenue went up each day. And it's up higher now than it was before putting out the shorts. So shorts have been good to me more recently as well. So you are getting rewarded for putting them out. Subscribers, yeah. I'm at 175 subscribers now.

That's good, man. Your first 100 subscribers are the hardest ones. My second 75 have been the hardest. Have they really? I stuck at like 130 for so long. The dropping one a week has been good, and then the more political conversations have done well for me. I just feel tortured by that,

because part of me wants to just interview political people because I find politics interesting. Yeah. And then the other part of me is like, I don't want to have on disingenuous people. Okay, so if you were not to do so say you were

like Joe Rogan scale where you could have anyone on that you wanted and that wasn't an issue where you would have to like Skype someone in or whatever if you could just do any kind of podcast what would you be doing? Just talking to people. Just same thing? Yeah, I wouldn't change anything about the product. Would you be strategic about

like who you brought on in locations or would it just be like oh i see this person and i like what they're doing i want them on or would you like try to pick like from different places to bring in a broader audience no i think i would still be as random as i am with the audience the thing the only thing that pushes pressure on me in terms of anything is like i'm taking time away from my partner yes and that's the hardest part is like you get to see growth and you get to like maybe your wife doesn't love it but she goes well at least he's succeeding

at least he's growing and developing and it's not that I'm not it's just that it's tougher because people keep asking like are you a Chilliwack based podcast and it's like I pigeonhole myself but it's because like I said six months ago I was going to stop having on

people from Chiloha well then they need to stop being so interesting to me because I find people within this area so interesting and I enjoy the conversation and I feel pressured to see more growth because I'm apart from her. And that's the tortured element is like... I could see that.

Yeah, I want to see growth so that this is a worthwhile endeavor. So it's not like I'm just spinning my tires. And that's, I think, the trap that I'm in right now. Because like, Shay Lorraine wrote, I don't know if I, I don't think I have a doubt, but she wrote The Way Creator Sees You. Name is inspired by her looking at her partner one night and saying, do you see yourself the way creator sees you? And super emotional question, a lot of love in the question,

and then made this book around the fact that she was judged for the color of her skin, that she was bullied. And then when she brought the, when the bully was taught a lesson, she got in trouble for it. And so this whole idea of like being comfortable with yourself, seeing the value in just being a human being, it reminded me of Andrew Victor

who's a pastor and he's like you can see the beauty in the sunset but so rarely can you see the beauty in another person and super inspirational so like I wouldn't it's not like that's a I could get a better guest it's like

but the guest often has not reciprocated and trying to get the word out and that's where I feel more trapped is like oftentimes like Joel super nice guy said he was going to promote it hasn't retweeted, reposted, and so I can't reach your audience, the people who follow you this far, who want to hear your thoughts.

Yeah. Often don't share or promoted or co-promoted or get it up to their audience. Oh, I see. Yeah. That's almost a detriment to them is not sharing that. Like, it's like content that they had to go there and record it, but then you do all the heavy lifting and the post-production and all that stuff, and they just really got to retweeat or send something out.

Yeah. Oh, that's, that's unfortunate. That's the weird space. And some people have a poll just based on their name. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. That's unfortunate.

That's the only thing I'd change is like, I just wish there was a way to get the word out in a better way because I'm on all of the platforms. And for the most part, I think I do pretty good on the platforms. It just doesn't result in anything. Yeah. Like, I could, I think I could stop posting on all the social media platforms, and I don't think anything would change. I think the people who are listening, the people who are listening. And then they share it with their friends and stuff. That's interesting.

Yeah. How's a whiskey? It's good. I was going to ask you, that was my next question for you, is what do you think of the two whiskeys, starting with the McAllen? The McAllen, I think, is smoother. It is. This one is stronger, but it tastes more like whiskey that you'd think of. Like you think of, you think of whiskey.

I feel like you think of Aber. Aberlore. Yeah. The bottle also looks more whiskey-like in the Abertlore. For those of you just listening, or for those of you actually watching, it looks more. Yeah, this is two guys that don't know what they're talking about. Anything. But the problem with the McAllen is they put a QR code on their product.

They got too big. They're too big. They've got their Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and it's like, I get it. I get what you guys are trying to grow a business. But when people think of whiskey, they don't know. think of Instagram. No.

No, that's true. No. Have you ever gone to, there's this festival in Vancouver, the hopscotch festival?

No. Oh, dude, we should go to that. So, hopscotch, it's beer and whiskey. Yeah. Hopscotch.

Wow. I just got it. But, so you go and you get, you pay so much money, you get these little

tokens, and then, then you wander through and there's vendors and, you know, a beer is so many tokens or little shots of whiskey or are so many tokens. And it's actually really cool because it gives you this opportunity to try really expensive scotches or whiskeys that you, you know, I don't know about you, but I'm not spending $400 on a bottle of whiskey. True.

But I can spend $10 for a tiny little taste of it. And so it lets you go and do that. And there's, yeah, there's some really. really good scotches and actually there were some really good beers there too but mostly beers that I had had because beer is a little more accessible yeah you know it's not as expensive have you tried old Yale I like old Yale yeah you're not a beer guy are you not a crazy one but we had some at the Purple Hayes event yeah and my partner liked the beer more than she liked the wine interesting nobody saw that coming I I like old Yale I really

like their like vibe and everything. They're like kind of camping. It suits Chilliwack really well. Yeah. And I find their beers, their normal like baseline beers, beers that they have all year round, I find

them kind of just boring. But they do these like special release ones. They do like fresh hop ones and they hum out with like a few. They had this one that was like, it was like a, what the hell was? It was a banana bread porter or something and there's no banana in it but they like picked like certain grains

that made it it was so good so they're like special release beers are so really good but their baseline i just find super boring their food is amazing their vibes good but she like the peach one i think and and i think that's a special one yeah is it i don't think that's a normal no you might be right because you tried to pick some up um and we can get it yeah yeah that farmhouse is so good. They're pizza, man. Oh, God. What? Oh, you should have been there, though.

We just had, uh, at that Purple Hays event. Barbecue, bourbon pizza. It was on another level. Oh, and we got to try a Buffalo Trace. I like Buffalo Trace. Have you had it? I have. I was going to try and pick some up before this.

Well, I mean, I live down the street from you now, so there's plenty of time. I actually came here. I was, I kind of was like, oh, we might shoot something. I thought we were just bullshit. so this is like totally like off the cuff I didn't do anything oh I'm glad I didn't want it to be anything dramatic I want to start being able to have people back on where there's like there's no stress it's funny the first time there like there is a little bit of stress coming on and having never been on a podcast before and really can you tell me about that because I never get to hear from the guest what it's like to be a guest yeah um I get to hear so I like and I'm on camera so I don't like being on camera so it's so I am on camera normally and and there's some level of stress that I put myself under to go on camera even though I don't like it but I like the end was I don't know but you invited me on and I and I've been buddies you know online for a long time so I was I was happy to come on and then yeah there's a little bit of stress coming on and it's just not knowing what you're going to ask and then going back to like what we were talking about like how having an opinion and people getting bent out of shape about it. There's like this thing like,

what if I say something here completely nonchalant that offends someone with a big following that like screws up my whole thing? Like what if I say something dumb? Like even like you were asking about the truckers earlier and I'm like, do I want to answer? Like it's it's one of those things where it's almost like bad to have an opinion. these days. I agree.

And so there's like, obviously I knew you and I knew you wouldn't put me in a position that's bad, but there's like that fear a little bit. And then I came on and we, you know, had some whiskey and bullshit and it was a good time. Was it better than you expected? Yeah, like it still blows my mind how three hours went. Like I was, I imagine we're probably like an hour and a half or two hours in now and it feels like 10 minutes. Yeah, an hour and 20 minutes.

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. And your wife listened to it. That blew my mind. I feel like most guests, partners, like, never find out. But the fact that she reached out and she was like, it was good. It was weird. She works from home about half the time. And I went up into the office after I put my daughter down. And I heard my voice. Like, I can hear my voice. Like, you and I talking. I'm like, oh, God. Don't listen to. that but but yeah it was good i was actually pleased and i had a lot of people reached out to me said it that it was good and they liked you know hearing me talk about stuff other than leather yeah you're just an interesting person i don't i wouldn't go that far i would go yeah it was a trip to have her enjoy it and actually tune in but it also made me think about how like creators are often so not like

overlapping like they don't collaborate together with other creators yeah and like it's it's so even though like you have like a good instagram community that there isn't like collapse like constant collapse and how rare like i had matthew hawkins on he has his own podcast i don't think he's started it back up again yet but uh like we haven't collab like the the culture of collaboration between other podcasters was something i was like in my mind i was like i'm probably going to work with other podcasters, learn about how they do things. And it just doesn't exist. I've had multiple podcast hosts on

and never been invited on to somebody else's thing. Yeah. And so, like, I'm not offended. That doesn't hurt my feelings. But it's interesting to me that I, like, I look at, and I think there's just an instinct Joe Rogan talks about this as well, like, of competition. Yeah. That, like, this neuroscientist who has his own podcast, that if he,

comes on my podcast, I'm taking something from him or something. Like, there's this feeling that like, we're in competition. And I don't believe that. I believe the more people as a whole listening to podcast, the better our culture is because the odds that these people are reading books and educating themselves through reading is not great. According to, like, Statistics Canada, which says we have like a C-minus in literacy. That blew my mind on the last one too, and I still can't, I still can't get my head around that. That's crazy. And so, like, finding that out, it gets me so, like let's just everybody i want people to tune in to a podcast like i had uh shelly canning she's a nurse talking about nursing she has her own podcast had her on i've had like three or four podcast hosts and like

there's not like a culture of like oh you had me on i'll have you on or oh like i know this person you should go on this pod like there's not like that collaborative nature now that now that you've said that they're all going to reach out to you and i meant too i'm sorry yeah i've done totally forgot yeah i just i don't it seems like it's the same in youtube world though like the people you work with at least the other than that one person who's really been like a mentor to you in the leather working space it's not like yeah um and he's not doing the youtube thing he's uh he's gonna do he's got a more profitable route but uh he's making stuff now right he's he makes stuff and then uh he actually has gone as far as um he found a uh like a place in the states

that he can send leather to and they make stuff for him and then he distributes a bigger level. Still like it's you know past handmade like it's machine made in factories but still like better quality than you would get at like Walmart or something like that like it's still

he sources the leather and sends it to them and sends his designs to them and they still make it but it's not him making it. But why don't you and the guy from Lillowet do something? I would love to Sid. He's an awesome guy. I just don't under like I actually, he came out here because he's, uh, he's down here somewhat often and just the, like, he reached out to me and when he did, I was, I was busy, but yeah, we will for sure at some point. Yeah. He's an awesome guy. He's super interesting. Absolutely. He's commented on a ton of my videos. Be like, I need to go check out that food truck or whatever. Yeah, that's what I should be, you should have my buddy Sid on your podcast. Yeah. Yeah. He's a new elected chief in Lillowette there. I know. Him and I actually went back and forth quite a bit. Did you?

talked about things after our interview. And he was one of the people who was like, it was a really good podcast, learned a lot, super thoughtful person. And again, which was like just a trip because usually it's just like

into the abyss. Yeah. He's an awesome guy. Yeah. I'd love to see you have him on. Yeah. Now he's on my radar. Yeah,

but are you going to reject him because I said it then? No, no, there's certain people who care and there's certain people who say it out of pity for the person. like a certain level of carelessness.

I don't know how to put it. But there's certain like, you should have this person on. And it's like you don't have to have mad. Like just because someone's interesting to you or just because you think someone's admirable doesn't mean that you can portray that to me and the laziness of just being like you should have this person on. Like I need like a whole understanding of what you saw, how you saw.

And that's where people go, that's too much work. and it's like, then why did you reach out to me? Like, if that's the line, it's, like, explaining yourself. That seems silly. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. People don't like to do work, man. But this is, like, your saying, you're the one, like, um, I was just reached out to

and they were like, you should have this person on it. And it's like, lay it out to me. Give me the, give me the deeps. I'm, I'm not opposed. But that's where I think my skepticalness to it has come about is like, people don't seem to care about what I'm trying to do. Yeah. Like the average person doesn't, the.

average person who just says you should have this person on doesn't really care about the quality or the final product and they don't know about any of the process so they don't care yeah I could see that yeah but I mean is that your market too you want people that care about podcasts and that's what I think I said this in the last conversation is like I had people say like two to three hours is too long and it's like well you're not my audience I'm not looking for you if you're complaining about the length or anything like that then I actually like I have this he's a lot of working buddy he's in California and he's started a like a makers podcast he goes at wake and make which I thought was pretty clever but he saw me on your podcast because he listened to it too and he was like it was it was really good I feel like three hours is a long time and I said three hours is a long time and he knows that it's a long time but that's what he wants to do and he said oh well then I respect it yeah because he's like yeah he's just doing what he wants to do like there are some like you know like rules like or not rules best practices say but at some point you just got to do what you want to do too like

how how much do you want to just like go with the flow yeah you have to do a little bit I'm sure yeah but at some point you need to be yourself too and and like yeah the three hour podcast is you're not going to get more in depth than that yeah and I think just like having like interesting discussions like so many things are rushed and that's what i don't like is it's interesting to just like this one's particularly interesting because i didn't bring in a mindset of like one hour two hour three hours it's like whenever we want to stop we can stop but i just want to be able to hear and and enjoy and it's part of my jealousy towards mr rogan is sometimes it's just fun and i do look at some of the episodes because i try and relisten every single episode at least

once, if not multiple times, to figure out what could I have done better, what could I have done differently, and there's a certain culture lacking from the podcast, a certain fun element where, like, when he has on, oh, what's his name? He's like one of my favorite people to have on, but he's Duncan Trussell. Those are just the most nonsensical, and I love it, and I just I'm laughing the entire time. Really? And it's, have you ever heard him with Duncan Trussell? No, I don't even know who Duncan Trussell is.

Oh, they dress up. What? They dress up. He dressed up, they dressed up like Spaceman. That's so funny. Is it a comedian or? Yeah, Duncan Trussle is a comedian, but they did, um, Joe Rogan or, yeah, Joe Rogan questions everything.

The series, did you ever see that? I heard of it. I don't know that I was. Okay, so they did like, um, research into what, like, whether Sasquatch is real. and he did that with Duncan and so Duncan's got this hilarious voice and he gets all high pitch about things when he starts laughing

and it's just it's such a it's so funny and he'll play like the 3D chess of like oh you think like Nancy Pelosi's the bad person well it's actually like this other organized and he just like levels up and like some of it is absolute nonsense and some of it is like

you didn't even think of it like that you didn't even think that it would go that but it's just so they're so funny they get high they just act silly and it makes you like the reason I started listening to him regularly was his fight companions and his

sober October if you ever heard of those I did yeah I started becoming a daily listener because he'd be like we're competing and like we're doing this and like I just did 10,000 of this today and that's what I want to bring so I was talking to Adam Gibson about it like of doing I'd like to do an ultramarathon

and I'd like to do something around the podcast around it, of making it like people are tuning in daily to hear where we're at in this ultramarathon competition or with this competition. How far of an ultramarathon? Like, I'm thinking like at least 100K, but I'd just like to do something where people can get involved as well.

Because that's what the fight campaign, or the sober October was for me. I was tuning in, and they were all competing with each other, and they were trying to get certain amount of like steps and points in, and so they were kind of going crazy and that's where I was like I want to get fit and they're getting fit and I want to get involved and so there was like

an investment that I had and what they were doing and it created a community and I think that that's where he really saw his takeoff was the community spirit that he created through that I was saying like you might do yoga you might bike you might run but you're all hearing

him push himself and say like oh like Ari Shafir has got like already this amount of steps and I've got go get mine and like and then you're like I've got to go get mine and like there was a community element and I think that's what the podcast is missing is like a sense of community of like I wonder how hard Aaron ran today because I'm sure you've seen the videos I'm doing of like me running yes I'm trying to inspire people to reach their full potential that is what if I can give listeners anything it's like no matter what it is if you're crocheting if you're beating

if you're making leather work I want you to know I'm on your side about that that I want you to go do that to the best of your ability which is why preparing for someone like yourself was important to me because I think we often to our own detriment

underestimate people's interests and go that's just a hobby that could be your career if you want to put it in the work if you want to grow that it can be whatever the fuck you want it to be but we often go oh your art oh that's nice

But, you know, like, keep your day job. And I want people to know I'm on the side of them doing whatever brings them meaning to their life. And I think so many people lack that, even though we did so much in the 20th century to get to that point of saying, you can do whatever the fuck you want. And if anyone stands in your way, fuck them, you can do it. And I think we've put in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And that wasn't just so you can sit around and watch TV. It was so you could go do whatever you want. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. What's like these hobbies, though, like whether you make it your career or not, it's a good example I was just thinking of. So before I came here, I went to that art walk thing. So for non-Chilowack people, there's a park for the Italian, like 100 meters, or how many feet is 100 meters, some amount of feet or 100 meters that way. There's a big park and they have a big art walk today and there's a bunch of tents of artists and stuff. And we were walking along, and Lucas Simpson was painting a door there and doing a mural thing on a door.

And we asked... Showed it to Lucas. He was on the podcast. Oh, was he really? Yeah. Oh, okay. My wife works for Simpson Notaries. Oh, wow.

Yeah. But saw him... That was Jackie Simpson hosted Purple Hayes. Shout out to Jackie Simpson. That's hilarious. But we saw him and my wife said, hey, Luke. because what are you doing? And he's like, oh, I'm just in my happy place.

And that's like people doing that stuff, whatever it is, like painting a door or making leather or watching bees or birds or whatever the hell you're doing. Yeah. That's your happy place. So whether you make it profitable or not, or even yourself, like, just like talking to people, it seems like that's what you want to be doing anyway. That's your happy place.

Like, that's, you know, aside from, I'm keeping you from Rebecca right now, this is what you want to be doing otherwise. But we'll listen to this afterwards. Like her and I go for walks and we listen to the podcast together. Oh and you know and Rebecca if you're listening take that high-pitched voice that Aaron spoke in

and make that a story. Please blow that up. You have to hear Duncan Russell because I did my best to read her reading it. Yeah. It'd be so good. But it's like, it's like what people want to be doing.

So, and you need, I don't know, some kind of escape. Money's not everything either. Like, it's nice to make money from your hobby. I make a little bit. I basically make enough money to, to buy some leather tools and leather at this point. Like, keep going. Yeah. Yeah.

It's self-sustaining now. It is. I'm not, I'm not getting rich. I work a very full-time job otherwise, but that's what I want to be doing. And being on YouTube, being on YouTube, honestly, I almost like, doing YouTube more than I like doing the leather, which is kind of funny. Right. Although I haven't posted in a couple months now, but I'm working on some stuff.

But it's, I don't know, I really like doing the YouTube stuff. Okay, tell me about it. What would we, if we were to do something, if we were to accomplish something, what would that look like? Because we've talked about it online before, but we didn't really talk about it in person. If you and I were? Yeah. I think we would do this. I think we would just bullshit about.

whatever. Yeah. I don't know. I don't really talk about politics, though. Yeah. I'm not a politic guy. We've got municipal elections coming up, man. They're super interesting.

Can you imagine drinking and talking about our upcoming elections? And the mess? You know, you know what, that politic thing? And again, this is like pigeonholing you even more because this is a Chilliwack. But is it Matt Waddington that owns Waddingtons when you run? No, Sam. Sam Waddington. I'm sorry, Sam.

When he ran, though, fuck, I wanted him to see him get it. It would have been so good. How did you feel about when... I was kind of disappointed. Yeah, that seems like the political... That's what happens in politics. But, again, going back to, like,

owning things and apologizing, is that inexcusable? No, but he didn't do either. That's true. He denied it. That's the opposite of... That's not either. Yeah.

Yeah, sucks to be him, but it would have been cool to see someone that young and then, you know, running a business and I don't know, someone just like different than like... So which, which scandal were we just talking about? The money. Okay. Because he had a sexual assault scandal. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that was what brought him down. Oh, I thought the money was.

The money was, yeah, pretty terrible, but the... Oh, I don't really want to see him get in then. Okay. No. I knew the money one. That's unfortunate. Yeah, the money one was weird because I was hearing about it before. Like, I was hearing it from people that, like, he'd go around and be like, this is on the city, Chiluak.

What? Yeah. And he'd say that at, like, bars and stuff. That's super weird. The one I didn't see is coming. Why would you do that? I don't think people ever think they're going to get called for what they do. I think that's the normal criminal element.

Like, that's the whole challenge. So, we had, like, being a criminology student, we had this whole mandatory minimum thing. And then people were like, wow, like mandatory minimums, that'll work because that'll intimidate. But the problem is criminals never think they're going to get caught. So it doesn't matter if it's 10 million years in jail. They think they're not going to get caught. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so that was the challenge.

Interesting. Oh, that's unfortunate. I didn't know about that. That's sad. No, he's not been to make sure that my legal perspective, he's not been found guilty from my knowledge of anything. but those were the allegations. Oh, it was allegations. Yeah.

And to his point, I'm pretty sure he said something like, there's an incentive, you know, want me to win, there's all these things, and who knows? I think he's, I think he's regained a lot of his respect. He's an honest businessman. I think just that authority can, And the decisions you make in those roles can really bite you in the butt. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah. I'd like to do one on, I've just heard terrible things about local whiskey and local, because it's rye here, right? Yeah, which means that it's 51% or higher. Corn? Rye. That's the grain. Oh.

Yeah, see, I did my research. Can we agree that rye sounds like the grossest sounding, like bourbon? that sounds delicious rye is like you're not wrong rye is probably the it's the worst word it's a terrible word it's not the best whiskey either i believe you but even the word itself it's like if you're gonna have someone want to be proud to drink something yeah bourbon or rye like it just doesn't sound it's good with ginger ale oh no it's on its own i don't know i don't know i i've had eye by itself. There's a few good ones. There's actually a couple good Canadian ones,

but honestly, yeah, I lean more towards scotch or bourbon. Irish whiskey's pretty good, too. Because the only people that I know of that I follow are people who at least occasionally comment on politics. Interesting.

I don't know of any people who just drink whiskey and talk about nothing. We could be the first. We could pioneer that just idiots talk. about whatever drinking too much whiskey yeah yeah I don't know how what's the length what was your mindset around podcasts because you're right I'm toward so my perspective doesn't necessarily mean anything because I'm not doing a podcast right so I I don't know because we have such different experiences on on YouTube anyway I'm not obviously

not in all the areas that you're in but um you YouTube-wise, I would imagine that a three-hour video on YouTube would not do as well as segments like Joe Rogan does. I feel like segments. But if he used to do it live on YouTube. That's crazy. I really like that. I kind of dream of doing live on YouTube.

Live scares me. Really? Yeah. Wow. Just a little bit. I'm a little more disagreeable. I like the idea of live. You've never listened to Ariel Holani, have you?

No. Okay. He does four hours. Wow. YouTube, twice a week. Wow. Yeah. Talking to fighters.

Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. I was going to try and convince you to stay on for the UFC fights tonight. I got to be up at 4 a.m. tomorrow. But Amanda Nunes trying to get her belt back. I know. Yeah. Not this.

What was the next big fight we were talking about is, uh... Oh, that one's... September or something. Yeah, September of October. But that's the one with, uh, Sean O'Malley versus Peter Yan. that one's going to be killer yes um that one's going to be

I don't remember the whole fight card but it's an amazing fight card yeah we'll do that one for sure but but I've thought about doing the fight companions for that it would be weird I don't know like those are weird but like just watching it like Joe does so if you were to do this other thing

would you pivot your show into something different or would you start a second one and then obviously you have to carry two bad gas which is yeah I don't know I don't know the answer to that I for sure would want to keep the three-hour element and so I think what we're talking about

is probably something far more consumable for people I feel like and this is speaking just for YouTube I feel like short 10 20 minute clips are going to be better than three-hour clips and from just like how YouTube works perspective so you shoot a three-hour

long podcast so you have 180 minutes of podcast now you can turn that into you know freaking 18 10 minute videos essentially and there's more opportunity to get out there versus a three-hour podcast is one opportunity yeah i get that i like the idea as well of trying things i think people like that i like that i like the trying to Paco Rio thing, that did really well for people, really like, the obvious is 60 seconds, but like, having something to have the conversation around,

I think people really like that. Yeah. Like, trying the alcohol. I think so, too. I think, well, if you have me back next time, well, I have this favorite cocktail that I just go, going to Bravo in Chilliwack again, but

everything's in Chilliwack, apparently. So on the Chilliwack podcast, guys. This is not. A Chilliwack podcast, but everything we talk about is Chilac. But going to Bravo, I like classic cocktails. What does that mean? Like, just like old school. I just like old school everything.

Have you tried holy water? I've not tried holy water. I imagine it tastes like water. No, it tastes amazing. It's the sweetest, most delicious drink. It's like one of my... Oh, this is a drink. I thought you were talking about holy water.

No. no holy water is like a mixture of like um so it's not just water yeah it's like blue raspberry uh i'm doing a terrible job of remembering things right now but it's a drink it's an alcoholic beverage yeah and it's a mixture of three different drinks and it's mixed it got sprite got something with like blue raspberry yeah it sounds amazing yeah it's delicious but it's coffee okay that does sound amazing yeah so see we could have one of those yeah we could have one of those yeah we could do do a different cocktail every episode that's true um but you have to make it for them because people love watching things make it but have you watched the the Dana White uh fuck it Fridays no

man they blow up on Instagram they get millions of views to be honest I kind of avoid Instagram now why yeah why I don't know Instagram pisses me off a little bit lately is it because of the reels like they're just going head first

in the way did you hear about I think it was, like, one of the Jenner's being like, Instagram, please go back to being Instagram, and then they were like, no. Yeah, I think, I don't know. So I follow, what's the guy in charge of Instagram, Adam, Adam Maseri? I know. I think it's Adam. Okay.

Sorry. It's Adam. Yeah. Sorry, Adam Maseri. That's not your name. You probably never listened to this anyway, but. um mosaire is the last name anyway he's in charge of

instagram and so he does actually these reels that are like updates of instagram this week or whatever um wow yeah he's actually like he seems like a pretty involved dude for for being who he is but he at some point set talked about bringing kind of Instagram back a little bit to photographers more

which is kind of not kind of it is where it started it's for photographers to show photos and um i don't know just the real thing takes away from that i haven't seen it but i would love to see it go back to just being for not just being for photos but i would love to see equal weight for photos as reals i don't even know what they're trying to do somebody was trying to tell me because they added that new that new feature like basically tweeting like the equivalent to like a tweet yeah notes yeah and somebody was trying to tell me that like instagram is really

trying to encourage engagement. I don't... I forget who said that to me. I don't believe them. Just stick to what you're good at. I just don't even know how people would engage with these notes. You...

I saw them. I made one note. Oh, wow. What the hell's a note? So, from what I can tell, you see a note, and they're poorly advertised. They're in your, what,

above your messages or something weird. And you click on it, and it sends a message to that person. but somebody was trying to tell me that like the new style is like they want people like communicating with you directly and like they want to see more chat action man I wish I could remember who said this to me but it doesn't even make any sense because it's hard to communicate through that yeah and I recently posted just asking people like what's your most hated um corporation I saw that because I just interviewed I was actually

interested to see who came out on top. Yeah. So there was like the Walmarts. There was like a few different ones. But like it didn't increase my engagement on that post the more people commented. No. And so like I don't believe that the algorithms all about that engagement.

So what was the most hated corporation? Oh, there was just different ones. One person said Nestle, because we got Nestle here in BC. In Hope BC, not Chilliwack, Hope is not Chilowalak. Hope is basically Chilawack. I don't know. It's like 6,000 people or something. But Nestle made the list.

Walmart made the list. One that I'd never heard of, like, Sheiza or something that I'd never heard of. Yeah. And a few others. McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah. But it didn't increase the more people commented and messaged me saying their comments.

They didn't get more response. Like, it didn't go like, oh, someone commented until you're going to get like 20 more people see you. Yeah. It's not what happened. So I don't think it's about engagement. I don't know what Instagram is trying to do. I don't know. But again, I always try to think of this, like, when I'm...

You ever, like, watch a... Fighting's a bad example. Say, you watch a hockey game. I don't watch hockey. Say you do. Say, pretend that you're watching hockey. Okay. And you have all those people shouting at the players what to do and stuff.

In person or on TV? Like, wherever. Like, people that think they're experts. Okay. I always try to think, like that, there are well-paid... Smarter than you experts behind the scenes that are doing something for a reason. You think so? This is me playing devil's advocate again.

I know you hate that term. No. But so I'm like, what the hell is Instagram doing? Instagram can afford to pay brilliant people to come and do a thing that are way smarter than me. And they don't have to tell me what they're doing. So it might appear random what they're doing. But I bet you there's some kind of. a game plan that might not benefit you or me, but it's what they're trying to do benefits

them. They're trying to make money and they're doing something that they think will make them money. Can I counter that? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so here's one of the problems. I think Elon Musk proved that Twitter has a problem, which is aesthetically, they're a busy place, far less busy than they want us to think. And I think Instagram had the same problem.

So I'm sure you've seen the bots on Instagram. Yeah. That's horrible. That increased, but it increased because they wanted it to increase. So they let users sign up without any information. They did that so they can look more busy than they are. Because you post on Jerry News or something, there's a new post. All of the posts are bots.

And so it can make the successful organizations look busier because you see a thousand comments on a post that was going to get 20 so you think some of these bots are put out by the corporation not directly but i think they make a decision and say they allow it yeah they are they don't want to get rid of all the bots and i think there's an incentive in that and i think they're trying to figure out where the next market is and i think that's the big fear that all social media organizations have is yeah we're good today yeah but we don't want to end up as the next my space yeah as the next Blackberry. It's probably a scary business to be in, to be honest.

And Twitter, like, Jack Dorsey talked about, we're not monetizing the shit. Like, we don't know what to do to monetize properly. We're not doing a good job of it. And it's hard for them to figure out where to go because it's so tough to monitor. And Facebook is one of the only ones that figured it out. And people put up with Facebook's marketing and often use it. But Instagram and Twitter seem to be something different. where when I see Amazon pop up and they have, like, different things,

it's like, I'm not going shopping on Amazon, I'm on Instagram. There's something different about the platform where when I'm scrolling through Facebook, they've got it set up so it's as consumable as something as a regular post. Yeah. And I don't think they've figured that out for Twitter or Instagram yet. And so I think these social media organizations, as big as they are, I think it's a real problem monetizing it. Yeah.

I like how Amazon's Amazon's a different animal though because they're already selling stuff. Yeah. I just mean like on Instagram when they show like I'm sure you've seen an Amazon pop up as like a sponsor or like in a marketer. Yeah. I like I don't know. This is really

sidetrack then. It just made me think of it but like the Amazon like how you monetize with Amazon is so brilliant. And it's like I've been able to monetize with Amazon since day one, whereas if you, to become a YouTube partner, you need a thousand subscribers and four thousand hours watch time, which when you're in that zone sucks and it seems like you're never going to get there. Like, and even I hit a thousand subscribers,

like yeah, and I looked at my watch time. It was like, no, it took me much longer. But when you finally hit it, you start getting money from YouTube. I make more money from Amazon than I do from YouTube doing YouTube videos and it's just because I put a link that has a tracker with my ID and stuff on it you click on that link and anything you buy on Amazon for the next 24

hours I get a cut of. Yeah. I love that. It's awesome. Have you thought about doing that channel just on like how YouTube works? I would you know what? It's one of those things where I would love to but I'm I don't feel like I'm qualified.

Were you qualified with a lot of work? Probably not. Probably still not, but Is it just because you understand the steepness of the learning curve more with YouTube than you do than you did with leather at the time? I don't know. I don't know, maybe it's imposter

syndrome again, but I just I would love to, but I don't know that I could do it. It's how I feel with the podcast. I've thought about doing one on like, because like I tried to watch videos on the road

go-toes of like how they work, how to optimize it, and I didn't find any good videos. And I was like, oh, you should be sponsored by road, by the way. I'm sure they could care less about my viewership. I'm just saying, you got a road all over everything in here. Yeah. They do make good stuff, though. They make amazing stuff. And have you watched their videos?

Some of them. Their YouTube channel is unparalleled. In terms of, like, creating a community of, like, explaining stuff to you, they'll be Like, things you didn't know that your road go-to can do. Things you didn't realize about this. And they'll have bloopers in their video. So it's like super human and funny and witty and easy to absorb. And it doesn't make me feel like an idea yet.

You know what they need to do is they need to come out with like a top-tier broadcast. Like, I know their stuff's really good and I like yours. But it seems to me like they have this is like the go-to like microphone, boom, arm. they have their roadcaster is that the roadcaster the yeah the yeah so they have that which is like the go to one of those they have their road go which is like the go to laugh mic but then the sure sm7b seems to be the go to mic for podcasters oh they have they have a new one they just came out with the nt h or something yeah and is it good i haven't used it but they have a whole platform for producing and i can put applause in and stuff

for that's pretty good yeah they have a bunch of weird kind of features you should you should do applause in a laugh track yeah yeah they have a whole thing for the road I can connect my road go-toes to their new

um what is it audio interface is that what it's called yeah so I have audacity and they they have their own now and they're recommended is audacity what you use that's what I use that's what I use yeah

it's simple idiot proof so far can I have more of this is that weird You like that one better? I don't know what I do. Well, you're committing to the... Now I feel like I need to go back and try this one.

Okay. I found that one was smoother. I would agree with you. Maybe we do a podcast on two people who don't know much about whiskey, learning about whiskey. Do we bring someone on to explain it to us? No, God, no. Because the sheriff guy, man, he was saying all the words.

If he knows the stuff, though, yeah. Yeah. It was cool. He could take us on a guided tour or something. And I feel like he's very simple. Like he's... And interestingly, he likes politics. And so he sort of... It's way smoother.

You're right. Yeah. Okay. I'm not crazy. This one makes my nose feel a certain kind of way. Yeah. Like a burn. I know what you're talking about.

I don't know. Is that what... Anyone listening to this doesn't know what you're talking about. Like, my nose goes numb for a moment. I can see that Yeah That sounds like Something who doesn't know

About whiskey Something they would say about whiskey I feel like it's more honest than the people who That's exactly Yeah You're gonna get real information for me Yeah But like when he was talking to me

And this is again where it comes down to like curiosity I feel like the thing I can bring to whatever I do Is genuine curiosity Yes And that's where he was like he knew all of his stuff and he's like I thought about doing a YouTube channel and I was like my eyes were like like they couldn't have gotten wider

of like how do you know all this stuff and I was like he was like originally I was interested in wine then I moved over to whiskey and then he was like just talking smack about McCallan and I was like it's so interesting like I want to get inside your mind like I want to see what's ticking in there that makes you so curious and so

that's my favorite it's when I can have a conversation like that I think you can kind of tell like I'm trying to I only listen to the podcast, obviously, that interests me, but I think you can tell when someone's, like, disingenuous, when they're, like, trying to fake interest in something. And you don't sound like that.

Like, you clearly put in the time. And same with the other podcasts that I enjoy that, I mean, they're popular. So, obviously, they're doing something with Joe Rogan and Andrew Huberman and all their guests. Like, they seem invested in it. Yeah. I feel like if you're just trying to fake it, then why have them on in the first place?

Like, there's tons of people. You can have someone on that you are interested in. You don't have to be interested in everyone, but just, like, be selective like you are. Yeah, that's the weird thing is I have people on a list. Like, I have a long list of people, but I don't reach out to some because I don't see it yet. But I know it's coming.

Yeah, that's cool. And that's the weird thing is like, sometimes I know eventually but I don't think curiosity is a thing that happens by accident yeah like I think through doing the research through pondering questions that I might have you get curious yeah and like I had genuine questions for you like how do you get the leather where does it come from what is good leather what's bad leather and like I've never thought about that question day in my life until I was sitting down with you and then it was like what is the process how do you design

what is it like to give gifts that are so personal to you that you've put in work into to develop and share with people and the thing that I was thinking about was like you might give someone like and you talked about this like give someone a gift and they might not you're already making it and so they they view it as like less than because you're already making it or you're already trying to make it and so this is just a part of that and like they treated it as like this person made this like I still have it and I use my business card holder that you gave me all the time and people ask me about it and I'm so proud of it because that's what I think we're missing is like a pride and where things come from and I think that's what you're a beacon of light for is like think about where your shit comes from yeah and be proud when there's some thought put into it and some care and some consideration into where you're getting it from and the quality and craftsmanship like your our conversation was like craftsmanship fucking matters and us just forgetting about that we do that at our own detriment

and you're saying like I like heritage stuff and that interests me it's like that's so something I haven't heard something I'm not seeing on the nightly news something I'm not hearing from anyone but you right now and then obviously your community reached out and it was like wow there are these people out there that are interested in this but they're few and far between so many people are making shitty fucking soap I don't know how have you seen how many people are making their own goddamn soap stop it it's worse it dries out my goddamn skin it's not good you think it's good you think you're all natural with your lavender sends but every soap that i've tried from like a craftsman market yeah it's terrible and it's the worst industry right now for people

being like oh it's got eucalyptus and the people i see the most stressed out are the people saying oh it's got essential oils in it you're the most stressed people you're my issue you're the problem at the grocery store spraying on your eucalyptus oil saying that you're relaxed you're not relaxed you're the most you're the Karen of the store and so I feel like you're bringing that authentic like I made

this in my own hands put in time into cutting this and it was like so cool to talk to you about that yeah you know on the soap thing though I just you're right but

have you seen the doctor squatch ads on Instagram. No. It's like, I don't know, it's like a bigger company that's making like

soap and deodorants and stuff like that for dudes. My wife bought me some of them. They're so good. I believe you. It's the people who are making it themselves and they're like, I use like baking soda and an eucalyptus.

Oh, okay. No, this is like, I don't know. They're like soaps, I don't know. Like old school methods, I guess. Yeah. But they work well and then they,

they have like deodorant with, was it aluminum that's in deodorant that's supposed to be bad for you or whatever. Anyway, my wife bought me that because I've had cancer before and don't really want it again. And, yeah, deodorant works well. I'm a big sweaty guy, seems to work well. And the soaps are awesome. Awesome.

Yeah, so I like that stuff. Does it soften your skin? I always use ivory. I don't know, man. Yeah. It's... You have tattoos. We've never done a tattoo tour.

Remind me about that after. We kind of talked about it. This is... Here, do I do this and show... Yeah. It's like, it's one of those things where it kind of... looks scary-ish, and then I tell about it, and it's actually nerdy. But it's, uh, it's Cthulhu, and it's from my favorite horror, uh, author, LP Lovecraft,

who wrote a bunch of, uh, mostly like short stories. Yeah. And this was probably his most famous short story about, uh, it's like a big alien monster that lives in the sea and is, uh, dead, but not dead kind of thing. I like how you say it's not scary. and then you start describing this dead thing. It's scary in that it's a horror story and it's not scary and that it's not real. Do you think you intimidate people?

No, I don't think so. No? I don't know. I think it's funny. Like when you're at the grocery store? I don't think so. I feel like I'd be intimidated by it. No.

I don't think so. I'm generally pretty happy. 100%. I'm not disagreeing with that. I just think your appearance looks very. But I think that's what I like things that maybe make me look gruff a little bit. I actually was talking about this with a friend at work, and I joked that I've worked so hard on making myself look unapproachable. And then I had a daughter, and it's like out the window.

She, like, disarms, like, the scariest-looking dudes. So I took her, this is funny. I took her to Superstore, and we were on our way out, and she, Both my wife and I have tattoos, and so she likes tattoos because kids, like, whatever their parents do. She saw this, at the front, this really big native guy covered in, like, tribally tattoos. I don't know what you would call it, but native-looking tattoos. Really big guy, kind of scary looking. You probably, like a guy you probably wouldn't walk up to you and talk to.

And she was kind of looking and pointing at him. And then I was finally like, just wave in him. And she waved at him. And this, like, you watched this scary looking, like, and he's pretty muscular, like, big, big dude, covered in tattoos. Giant smile waves back. And it was, it's so funny, like, this, like, tiny little three-year-old girl can disarm the scariest-looking dude. Yeah. I think that's important for people to remember, because I think we can get locked in that.

But I think that's true that people are, like, farm. more dynamic and that children, for a reason, disarm all of us, then that's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to remind us of our own innocence of... I think so. The world's innocence in that way. Yeah. Did you see that one of, uh, Amanda Nunes and Juliana Pena getting ready for their fight? Okay, this one's, this one's, I think you're going to like this. Um, I thought it was beautiful. Like the stare down or? The stare down. I love the stair downs oh you you didn't see this one no okay so for people just listening this tonight being recorded on a saturday juliana penny with her daughter and her daughter is standing

behind her flexing getting ready for the same fight yeah that's awesome they do though like they take interest in what you're doing they mimic every single thing you do yeah and her daughter is standing behind her mother good for her fight and her daughter's going to be a shit kicker one One day, I guarantee you. Absolutely. And just that, that genuineness that children are on your side. They mimic everything. It's, it's so, like, my daughter kind of has a mouth on her now.

And she does. And that's the funny thing. It's not that I don't swear, I swear a decent amount. I try to, like, limit it in front of her, but it comes out. Like, if you have kids, you, it's unenvolval. Like, they're idiots. sometimes it just comes out. But every swear word she picks up on is my wife's.

Every single time, it's so funny just walking in the house. And she's, where are the fucking dogs? I'm like, it's so funny. And then I, like, my swear words go under the radar. And I think what it means is that she doesn't actually listen to me at all. Or she's trying to mimic your wife. Yeah. Yeah.

Either way, it's so funny. I can say something stupid and it's, you know, disregarded. And then my wife drops one F-bomb and it's like the word of the day, yeah. Yeah. Has it been a trip to watch a person to, how has COVID been? You know what's a trip? Okay, so you talk to me about that daycare, that program. The outdoor daycare.

So Dean Work, recent podcast, gas, after you. Yeah. Picked his daughter up from the same, his granddaughter up from the same, the same program and then somebody else talks it is amazing and so i've had three three podcasts guests talk about the same it is an amazing program it's made such a difference to her and i like this is my only kid so maybe just going to any daycare makes this difference but it's like just her confidence uh sociability like everything it's made such a huge difference for her and even like she's a pretty cautious kid like she's not the kid

running and jumping on crazy things she's very deliberate with what she's doing and she's like a little more careless now which is like a good thing for her that someone is it Jordan Peterson said let kids do dangerous things carefully yeah she wasn't doing that before and she is now and I think that it was that program letting them climb on trees and do stuff like that like she's still cautious but that program is brilliant yeah dean talked about it how he got to see his granddaughter play at the same Vetter River that he played at when he was a kid yeah and I forget exactly how he put it but the teacher basically was like your daughter enjoys this more than most of the boys

do and she's comfortable being out in the rain and in that moment he was like wow like my granddaughter is so much like me and like it's a beautiful thing to see because like we get so weird about like do we live

forever where do we go after this but it's like why isn't it enough that your child is you with all your idiosyncrasies but better just a smidge better based on what you've taught them about all the mistakes and fuck-ups that you've made

that they're just a little bit better and why isn't that enough for us? Like, why can't we just enjoy that? Yeah. You know, it's kind of along those lines is a trip for me, so my folks are moving out to Chilohawk from Abbotsford now. And they've downsized quite a bit.

They had a big house that, you know, me and my younger brother live with them in, you know, I think we moved there. they're 2004. So they're finally moving to something a little bit smaller in my complex. But in the same complex that I live in.

But anyway. How far away? Because you live in a reasonably size complex. A five minute walk. Okay. That's not bad. Yeah. But. They're not next door. No. But so

unbeknownst to me, my mom, I loved the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as a kid. TMNT? Yeah. Do you know what that is? Is that still a thing? Yeah. It is? Well, I'm not a kid anymore.

But it was a kid when I was... But it existed when you were a kid? Yeah, TMNT. So, but I guess the original iteration of that, but... So, she kept all of my Ninja Turtle toys, all of them, like the big Technodrome, that Shredder lived in or whatever. And she's like, yeah, we're downsizing here. And she gave them all back to me. And so my daughter is playing with my old Ninja Turtle toys.

Right. And, like, watching her play with, it's, like, mind-blowing. It's the weirdest thing to me. I'm, like, looking at the dates on, like, all the dates are stamped on these things. Are 1989 on the... Wow. And she's playing with these toys that I got when I was, like, her age. Yeah.

It's unreal. It's so weird. And that's what you like, though, right? You like things lasting a long time and being passed on. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. I was hard on them, too, man. Like, I don't know how she found parts to some of the things that are existing there. There's even, like, one of them that's in its, like, pack still.

Like, it's original packaging. So I, uh, I actually grabbed that away from her. I was like, no, that's going to go down in the leatherwork studio shop. Like, that's, you're not opening this, but. That's funny. The way you talk about it, it's funny just because Rebecca, and she's going to kill me for saying this. But one of her, when she was a kid growing up, she would have her bar. Barbies fight, like her Ken and her Barbie doll fight.

Yeah. And like heads would be flying after a disagreement. And I like, I get to hear from her mom and her dad and her sister about how she was. And she'd be like, oh, no, no, you can't do that. And then like, and then like all of a sudden body parts are flying everywhere. And it's like that energy and that passion behind it. It's just like, it's so honest. And like, we don't.

And I think Jordan Peterson does a good job of like reminding us that like we are actually playing out our lives in those moments and like you don't think of it like that you think it's just a kid having fun but they're trying to understand what is it to play house what is a home what is safe what is a mother what is a father what does that look like when they're trying to pull the best of the father and the best of the mother and trying to figure out what that means to them yeah yeah what does heads and stuff flying mean then. She was not okay with being mistreated, I think, was for her, because her parents divorced, and

I think that impacted her, but she wanted an upstanding person to be in a relationship. She believed in the institution of marriage genuinely, and I don't even know, like, because we say we have a 50% divorce rate. We have, like, 50% of people who shouldn't have been whatever married is to begin with. That's a fair point. I don't believe. If you can get married in Vegas and, like, it takes 15 minutes, like, you're going to have a certain amount of the population that should have never been anywhere near together to begin with. Oh, yeah. And so when we talk about that, it's like, it's hard to measure what the actual number is because most people don't even think that, like, my frustration with men specifically is there's this wooing period.

Yeah. And then once they've wooed, it's like, I'm going to sit around eat Cheetos and watch TV. and, like, do nothing. Yeah. That is uninspiring and not what the person signed up for. Like, you're selling a product. It's false advertising. Absolutely.

Yeah. And I think men are really, really bad for that. Yeah. I know so many guys who watch golf all day on TV and just sit around. And it's like, that certainly isn't the product that you proposed when you were giving a ring over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

My mind is blown that people watch golf. Yeah. People like, because they also have the fight. fireplace, right? Nothing's happening in that either. Yeah. They've got some overlap there. What's your plans for the rest of the day? This is pretty much it, man.

Yeah. Yeah, I got to work tomorrow, so this is I was happy. So we've made plans like three or four times prior and I've had to bail. It's been months since we've gone together. Three or four times. But I've bailed on every one of them so I was like um adamant that I was gonna make it here today and I made it so and I'm happy

that I did like I said I didn't know that this was a podcast coming into it and I'm happy that it was because I uh it's almost like you you should almost when you have a podcast guest just surprise them be like hey can you just come by for whatever reason just before and then like spring it on them yeah yeah but they'd be like I've got the worst is having a guest come on and they have somewhere to be because they check their watch. I'm not in it after that. Oh, really? I really, it's probably my biggest detriment

and something I need to be more clear on in the future reaching out to people is like, I can't have you. Don't come in if you have something to do after. This throws me right off. Like, because then I'm like, where are we? What do they have to be? What am I doing?

And like my flow and my enjoyment of it, it's like 20% of what it was. I could see that. Yeah. I have this thing where I like, there's things like pet peeves of mine that I feel like if I have a pet peeve that I really need to be mindful that I'm not doing the thing that annoys me to. And one of them is checking watch and checking phone when you're in front of someone else. And it includes like going through a cashier or being at a restaurant or I try really hard not to be on my phone if I'm with my daughter or something. because it like dries obviously like if you're like showing each other something or or or it's like relevant then obviously that doesn't but like I don't know just you're sending the wrong signal if you're sitting here like this every freaking few minutes usually they're pretty subtle like they'll just glance down and then I feel it and then I go like I don't know where I was but you don't seem invested yeah like I'm invested in the guest yeah and then that throws me off if you're not

invested it's weird and because it's not like from for most guests this one is obviously different but for most guests I'll shut up and let you talk like Brian Minter was 20 minutes before I said a word I will get out of your way yeah so if you're not even interested in what you have to say and my one minute of responding brings out you checking your watch what like that's not fair like I'm giving you 20 minutes of fully engaged like I'm not glancing away I'm not checking my phone like I'm fully engaged and you can't give me 45 seconds to ask my question that you're going to answer for 20 minutes like this is madness you need like a lockbox or something they check their phone and watch when they come in yeah but I want them to want it and so like one thing that it tells me is like I've gotten much more like responsible about how much I put into marketing someone because if they're not going to meet me halfway if they're not going to put in the time to like actually engage with me yeah why am i pouring in like i try and make a new story for five days of the week that has a different image of them a different perspective your social media presence is amazing thank you which is that rebecca

yeah that's all rebecca but thank you i'm going to take care of her no she does an amazing job yeah um so like i try my best to like make it so throughout the week if you're busy if you miss a post you're still going to know that there's a new episode. I drop a new episode every week. And if you can't give me two hours worth of, like, focused time without you checking your watch, it's like, it takes me out of it,

it makes me unmotivated to want to be as thoughtful and it's curious, and I really recoil. And I don't know, like, I think I'm going to be more clear because some people have been like, I have somewhere to be after them. It's like, then we'll reschedule. I don't want you to be somewhere else.

Yeah. Because I want you to be engaged in this. Yeah. Interesting. well you're doing it right then you did you recorded a podcast yesterday right this morning this morning yeah i got another one tomorrow morning oh so you're gonna have three in the can there i supposed to have four and then one person may schedule yeah that's awesome yeah i'm trying to get ahead so that i can just start dropping because i want to start doing two a week eventually yeah yeah yeah do i mean this is uh i like

this because i've been on here before this is like behind the scenes of your podcast now um do you want to do two a week or do you want to get a whole shitload in the bank because if you have a whole shitload in the bank it frees you up to do more other things uh i want some in the bank i've always tried to have a couple in the bank that i'm dropping in a couple of weeks the challenge has been like i have a few weekends booked and so then i burn through those two and then i'm like i've got like i need to have something for next week and so like that puts a little bit more pressure on me but I like having a few in the bank but I also want to start dropping more consistently because this heat wave has been shit for me because people don't listen to music on the beach and I listen to podcast

so I see that and I can't predict what's going to be an off week some weeks it's like it's pouring rain and then everybody's tuning in and then other days it's like the commuting to work so it's like it's hard to know but this heat wave has been terrible interesting yeah didn't see it coming

that's interesting yeah yeah I do all my podcasts like commuting to work so it doesn't matter whether so that's that's weird but I pulled probably half of mine who are like

uncommitted podcast listeners who don't usually listen to podcasts who are tuning in because I interviewed someone interesting and that's my challenge right now it's like half my audience you're great thank you for listening but the challenge is

that you tune in for the gas retention yeah yeah and so having like a consistent audience I've got, like, a really good, consistent audience, but YouTube is where, like, it fluxes. And then I personally feel terrible if their episode doesn't do well. Yeah. Like, I take it personally. And I go, like, I didn't do enough to promote you, because you deserve.

But YouTube's a weird space where you can put in, you can do everything right, and it's, just doesn't do as well as you'd think. Like, it's a, it's a really weird thing. But I feel like because I've invited them on, because they've driven out from Vancouver, gas prices, what they are, that I've done you a disservice if your episode doesn't reach properly. It's just on them for not being interesting enough. But that's the problem is since people haven't listened, then I would have had more views. So they didn't listen. So that's why I blame my marketing abilities on that.

It's because if they weren't interesting enough, at least people would have had to tune in to know that. But if they didn't tune in, then it can't be that. It's on me. There's so many factors, though, man, it's hard to blame yourself. Like, even just being a small YouTuber. Yeah. It's so hard to get going that, like, early grind is rough. And I think you're in a...

You can't call yourself a small YouTuber, by the way. Oh, I think I can still. Okay. You're in a way... Like, what you're doing for YouTube is way harder than what I'm doing. The educational how-to YouTube's... is super safe and what you're doing

is super hard but what I'm saying is like I'm who came on somebody came on and they were like I checked out your podcast and if you look on

pod ratings or something like that I'm in the top 5% of podcasts because I have 10,000 listens total because people have tuned because I've done so many episodes most people do five episodes of a podcast

you're so consistent that I actually have viewership doesn't mean anything like I've gotten nowhere near the reach of you own your skill if nothing else you get better every episode and you learn something every episode

like I guarantee just like Joe Rogan said I guarantee you're smarter now than when you started and I learned probably more from our conversation than I ever learned from any other specific episode because I was is tipsy the word you use

is that still the correct word for like being a little bit intoxicated? I don't know I'm 30 I'm old now aren't I old? But I don't know if that's the word that even adults use. I'm going to use the word. And so trying to stay sharp in that moment taught me a lot. But I also learned a lot about myself about being fun and being fun with the moment.

And so I took, if you go listen to our episode and then you see my Chris Koo episode, I did it without alcohol. I tried to bring the same thing. The bird, yeah, he was good too. So I brought the same humor and the same. lightness the same kind of silliness to that episode not being unprofessional but being like what we need mesquite like trying to be silly with it yeah i learned a lot about being comfortable because i was like i'm comfortable i can ask a question in a chill way but through ours it was like how can i make people laugh and like my close friend brayden who often watches the ufc with us

he's super he's like the silly side that he brings out the silly side in me me because he's like, Connor McGregor's like never lost a fight. And it's like, no, no, he has lost a fight. And he's like, no, he could beat Khabi any day of the week. And he's like, he's silly. Like he doesn't, he will say he believes that. But he doesn't really believe that.

But he brings out a silly nature in me. And so in our conversation, it brought out like a humor in me that I hadn't explored behind the video camera previously. And so I took that on to other episodes. And that's what I feel like has been lacking. and maybe the last 10 is like super serious. Okay, tell me about this. And I've gotten good with my transitions and stuff,

but having a personality beyond the questions is something I really honed through our conversation and something I'm trying to nurture. It's hard like that having a personality thing. That's something that I think I struggled with, so that's something I kind of focus on. And I'm probably losing it since I haven't done a video in two months. But one piece of advice from a YouTuber

that I really took to heart is Mr. Beast, who is one of the biggest YouTubers. He is across his platforms, I think he has 200 million subscribers. But his piece of advice he's been YouTubeing since he was 12 years old was do one thing better

every video. And so that's just kind of what I tried to do. I would really go back and watch my video and I'd be like, I need to do one thing better. Okay, lighting's shit. Try to fix the lighting. Still shit. I've struggled. with lighting. I'm in a basement. Same zies.

Yeah. So, oh, we can talk lighting. I have a light for you. I found the solution. But, like, just one thing. Okay, audio shit, what can I do? I'm in a basement surrounded by concrete. Okay, I got a better mic. Okay, it's still shit. What can I do?

And I just really tried, just rewatch, find one thing to improve on. Instead of just, like, you know, just randomly picking something. like watch until you identify a problem let's correct that problem in the next video and then in the next and then the theory is that in a hundred videos how many podcasts have you done uh where this will be 67 or 68 holy shit okay so the idea is like in a hundred in a hundred podcasts and a hundred youtube videos in a hundred whatever you're doing if you're correcting one thing every single video by 100 you should be pretty solid and that's I think I'm at I think I'm coming up on you're ahead of me I think I'm coming up on 60 videos now so

but it's just like just little tweaks instead of focusing on big picture all the time I think that's the way forward that's the way to get better at something well that is a great advice to leave people with Tim it's always a pleasure to sit down with you we just did two and a half hours man that was good that's super fun thank you so much for being willing to come back on hopefully we can find a plan moving forward to work together I think we should Yeah. Okay. Awesome.

Thanks, buddy.