Nuanced. - 83. Tim Srigley: HALLOWEEN EDITION! Scary Movie Recommendations & Spooky Stories

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

Tim Srigley and Aaron Pete sit down for the first ever Halloween episode. Aaron is dressed up as the Joker from the DC comic books. Tim Srigley, from Black Flag Leather Goods dresses up as Alan from the Hangover that was played by Zach Galifianakis.   The two discuss the meaning of Halloween, spooky stories, the best scary movies, what scary movies mean, and the brilliance of the Joker characters. The two also discuss costume ideas for 2022.  Tim Srigley lives in Chilliwack, BC, with his wife and 3 year old daughter. He started leather working in July of 2020. He was on a 3 month paternity leave from work and looking for a hobby to do while his daughter napped each day. That hobby turned into a business and he was suddenly selling a good amount of small goods (wallets, belts, camera straps, etc). It quickly got out of hand and that was all he was doing in his free time. Tim decided to try his hand at making YouTube videos on leather craft and began growing an audience. He decided to close his books and devote his time to YouTube. As of right now he has 4705 subscribers and the channel has turned into just as much of a hobby as the leather craft itself. In his videos he talks about how to get started in leather work, things to avoid, and great tools to use. He shares templates and tutorials on how to make things like leather cup holders, wallets, card holders, as well as tips and tricks.Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://aaronpete.substack.com/  Send us a textThe "What's Going On?" PodcastThink casual, relatable discussions like you'd overhear in a barbershop....Listen on: Apple Podcasts   SpotifySupport the shownuancedmedia.ca

Is that just... It's just him? Yeah. That's lame. The best one we all know is he pledger's. I was always a Jack Nicholson Joker fan. But the thing about Joker is all the Joker's were a different guy. Like, I like that every, like, every actor's iteration of the Joker was like a different kind of Joker.

like Jack Nicholson was really like the mobster kind of guy and then like Heath Ledger was really the deranged chaos one even Jared Leto is more like the like mentally ill crazy one well they're all kind of mentally ill but like the uh but like what they prioritize yeah and then he was like um what's his name walking phoenix yeah was that him he was um kind of like a depressed like had a crap life kind of just I don't know kind of sociopath kind of guy but they're all like the most real version though yeah and then even like what was the one from the batman show caesar Caesar I forget his last name uh he was kind of like comical like almost like the comics and cartoons and stuff like that but they're all a different joker like it's not like they

were trying to play each other which I really like yeah it's weird that you can play so much of different versions of the same character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the Batman's, we get mad because they're all the same. They're all the same, except for, except for Clooney. We don't talk about that. What do you want to try?

So I brought stuff to make you a cocktail, actually, because you guys went to Salt, Spring Island. We did. And you got that moonshine. and then I sent you a text with a recipe for a cocktail which had lemon and egg white in it You're crazy

And yeah And then you responded with that So we're going to make you an egg white cocktail Here I'll make you an amaretto sour Because that's probably my favorite of them I'd be honored Okay Where can I move with that

Here we go Can you still hear me like that I can It's like all my stuff hidden Woo ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That was a good laugh, by the way. Practice makes perfect. Have you been doing that all week?

Right before bad. No. Oh, not. Sorry, I'm horrible at actually describing things as I do them on my YouTube channel. I voiceover after. First, could you tell us who you are? Oh, yeah, sorry. I think mine is pretty self-explanatory.

Yeah, so my costume is Zach from, I don't know what his character's name actually was, from The Hangover. I was inspired by finding this thing hanging in my garage today and my kid has a bunch of dolls, and I always thought he was hilarious character. And it allowed me to come here looking all dishevelled, so that was my inspiration today.

Okay, and I'm going to make you an act. Amarado sour, so it's mainly, this is really hard to do with sunglasses on. This is going to be a stiff drink. So it is an ounce and a half of Amarado. Is this Matthew Tanner approved? I think it will be. I think Matt would approve Basil Hayden. But I don't know.

He just seems like a scotchka. I don't know if he does bourbon and all. I think he does I'm sure he does I think he dabbles He dabbles outside of the scotch realm So He started with

Beer right He did Yeah that's right Oh sorry continue Sorry three quarters of an ounce of Bourbon or whatever Whiskey probably not scotch I probably wouldn't go good in this

Feel smoky I liked your face when you had the smoky Scotch that was amazing As soon as he said he was saving it for the end I was like oh yeah I know that scotch That's gonna be good Okay, I need an ounce of lemon juice, and this could make a mess of your table here.

Let's burn the thing down. Yeah, I'm going to move this away from it. Squeeze the lemon, but I got to do it like... Squeeze the lemon. Oh. This is very different. to do extremely. Ladies and gentlemen,

the lemon has been squeezed. That's going to be good enough. Sorry, I've got lemon all over everything over here, including myself. Okay, and then a quarter ounce of this. This is simple syrup. Sorry, half ounce. Put some ice in, to cool it down.

I just realized that... My springy balls still in there, so I'm going to go dig it out. Good thing this is mine. for those just listening those are skeleton bones they are shaking them out oh that's one doesn't want to release there we go okay and then we'll strain it back into here I'm running up bowls. Okay, then we're going to use this and we're going to put an egg weight in there and should make it all foamy and delicious. The thing you were all creeped out by.

Merry Christmas. This is like a Christmas cocktail for me. That was the first time I made it and now my wife and I make it every Christmas. There, and look at it, it's all foamy, delicious. Cheers, give yours a sip. Yeah, that's Christmas to me. I'm going to move some of this crap now. oh wow you were thirsty what do you think of your egg weight cocktail

the eggs are the best part they are happy halloween happy halloween happy halloween i'm stoked to be back here third time's the charm Third time, and your kind of first Halloween special? Yes. Yeah. Except for your Royal Hotel one, isn't? Yes, yeah.

We talked about how spooky a 110-year-old hotel is. It is really spooky. There was, um, there's kind of this weird feel to like an old building. Like, we went to Quebec City a couple years ago and went in some of those, and it's like weird, especially like the citadel there where it's like, an army base that's been attacked and they were like shooting people and launching cannon balls and I don't know it's kind of just like a weird feeling in an old place like that yeah there's some spooky stories everybody has their own story there things that have gone wrong at the at the royal yeah like what the spookiest one is there were two past owners of the hotel There's only a total four different owners of that building. Okay. It's 110 years old, so people take care of it.

And one of the housekeepers was on the third floor, and she was asked by one of the owners, past owners, to run downstairs and grab something. They hadn't been involved in that hotel in years, and they had passed away. And the person went downstairs genuinely to the person that I interviewed, Laura Reed. And said, oh, this, this person asked me to grab this. And they were like, that person's been dead for years. Weird. And it's a genuine story. The person works there still to this day.

That's weird. And so, like, everyone that works there has, like, reported these things? Even I experienced things. Really? And I am a skeptic through and through. So am I. I think the evil lurks in the living, not the dead. I would agree

what happened to you there I was working there one night So there's a separation Between the cafe And the hotel Yeah So we have a Like a fencing

Like a barrier Between it That I don't That I don't Not supposed to cross over And I was working there And the shift is 2.30 to 1030

It's a spooky place On a good day Yeah But this was in its last It's non-hay And it was just me alone, there were no residents there and the cafe was closed

and in the back I heard pots clanging and sounded like movement and I was like this is too crazy to be real so I assumed that it was one of the owners of the cafe working in the back organizing something yeah nothing on the security cameras

no one in the back I went through and it was spooky to go through because you're like, the cameras say no one's here. Yeah. No one was there. Weird. So maybe I have hearing problems.

That's interesting. Yeah. So. I haven't, like, I haven't experienced too much. You asked me to think of spooky stories. I thought it won. So I used to work at the... Oh, whoa.

Fourth wall. Oh, sorry. I just came up with this. So I used to work at the Abbotsford Hospital. hospital, a security there. And it's not that spooky. That sounds pretty scary. But like one of the words there used to get,

they couldn't figure out what it was. It used to get nonstop prank calls to their phone at the nursing station, with just nothing there, just like all the time, which isn't that spooky. But there was one night I was going down. I was walking into the cancer center there. And I saw a guy, it's closed after like 5 o'clock, and I saw a guy walk into one of the elevators.

there elevator doors closed and then the elevator never went up so i was like oh that's kind of weird i'll just go see what's going on with them because they're lock after a certain time so i went press the button doors open there's no one in there and i could have sworn and i saw this guy walk in it was the weirdest thing and i'm like you a pretty big skeptic and uh yeah it was like i don't know kind of weird i don't know what happened there i did definitely we had the guy that was super like a huge believer and super sketched out by that so I for sure told him and scared him for the next a little while and he was uh yeah he wouldn't go in actually the cancer wing for quite a while what's your favorite thing about Halloween did you celebrate it as kit

yeah we always loved it um I don't know I just like all the spooky stuff watching uh scary movies and... Favorite scary movie? Ah, like, modern or, like, I really like the Freddie Krueger whole series. That's probably, like, my favorite, like, horror guy. But now I really like one called Dark Skies,

which is, like, an alien scary movie, which, I don't know, I believe in aliens. I don't believe in, like, ghosts and stuff. So that is really scary to me. But there's another one called, I think there's three or four of them now, called Insidious, and those are really good. Have you seen those?

Oh, it's my partner's favorite. They're amazing. They're terrifying. Why? Because they could happen? Because you do have dreams and you don't know where you go. Yeah. That's more of the Freddie Kruger thing.

No, I just, I don't know. They were really well done, really creepy. Kind of. The only thing I thought was, like, kind of hokey about the first one was how he, like, looks like Darth Mall from Star Wars, the demon thing. but otherwise yeah they were super creepy i like those my favorite are the conjurings the conjurings oh that's the same i think that's the same maker makes insidious then the conjuring yeah pretty sure is it not i don't think you're right now we can have different franchises we can fact check that

we can fact do i think it's the same creator that makes them both i don't think it's in the same universe but i don't know if my my character cares about facts i think he does i know the character is the same. It's Patrick Wilson. Is it both? But I think it's different. James Wan with the director of the insidiouses. Okay. I'm pretty sure Blum.

Is it Blum? Is the creator of the conjuring? Oh damn. I thought it was the same. You think Blum? No, I thought it was the same guy that made both of those. Did he make, did the conjuring guy, they make Annabelle then? Yes. That's all in the same universe. That's what I'm thinking. That's the conjuring universe. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. yeah they're my favorites

are they why is that there's something true about them even though it's not oh in our society we just suck it like what is true because true isn't the facts true is

what actually happens and I love the thing I love about scary movies is you do have demons in your goddamn house whether you acknowledge them or not and they're not connected to the house they're connected to you

and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it and that's what people mistake about scary movies is like addiction trauma, abuse those are the characters

in those movies that's interesting treat them like it's an entity that's in your head and it always was and we really don't get that about scary movies. Kind of makes me think of like Fight Club,

the whole Tyler Durden character and it's just in his head. Yeah. That's interesting. And so whenever I watch them, I think it's brilliant because the characters are tortured. We just watched this terrible. I don't recommend it, Midnight Mass, which is part of this other universe on Netflix.

The first one was the haunting of Hillhouse, then the haunting a blind manner and now it's Midnight Mass. They're really good too. It's all about mental health. But the evil is a demon. But it's not a demon. It's your own drama. And so it's really cool to see because all the characters are tortured by something like

the main character in Midnight Mass is tortured. Yeah. In fact, he killed a kid. Yeah. Getting drunk driving. Oh, I saw that actually. So you see what he saw, the night he killed her. Yeah.

And he's tortured by that every night before he goes to bed. Yeah. And he has a dream that he's just on the water and sitting there peacefully. And he can't have that. It's a dream. It's an illusion to have that piece. Do you think that's intentional when they make these movies then? Or is that just like your interpretation of it?

Oh, that's fascinating. I think some of the genius in these movies, they don't get to see who did we hear from it was the guy who helped make music for like Kanye West Jay Z M&M

he was just interviewed recently a famous producer of music and he talked about the red hot no not the red hot chili peppers there's a band and he was just explaining that the way the

Jay-Z creates a song is like he hums it and he thinks it in his head and then he sings it. But there's nothing written down. But with this other band that I'm not remembering the name of, they go through and he finds what fits perfectly in that one

spot. Okay. And so he makes the song. He has no idea what it's about. But he made it. But it's because each part fit perfectly, the chorus fit perfectly here. And then the lyrics fit perfectly here. But he doesn't know how they connect yet.

Interesting. And so he's like years later, these people will realize what they were making a song about, but they didn't know in the moment. I think some of that is true for movies. Yeah. Some of it isn't obvious. Obviously, it's an interpretation to say that demons are inside your head and your lived experience.

But there's a part of all of it that's true. There's a part of it. We were savages. yeah for thousands of years oh yeah every single one of our lineages comes from that yeah and so there's something about seeing the gore and people shy away from it but there's something about it that's interesting i've never i've never thought of horror movies like that i've always just taken them kind of at face value really and now i'm gonna watch them differently i can't help but see it i can't help but see like they make like uh lorraine warren in the uh the conjuring movies

she sees what other people don't see you see people who see that who they give a shit differently than other people they care about they see like if you're a social worker and you're seeing families you see them differently because you know

this one cue will tell you so much about a person and the demons they carry and again it's so cool that the demons are never tied to that house they're never tied to the house they're tied to you. And why is that? Well, it's because it's true.

demons are tied to you. You're connected to vices and addictions and mistakes and it plagues your mind the second you're trying to get a wink of sleep and there's no fleeing from it. And so to me, the stories are true, even though they're not

literal. Yeah. That's super interesting. I've never once thought of it that way. Now I wish I had, but now I'm going to watch them and think about that because I would always just like, yeah, totally take them literally and then be like, oh, yeah, this is dumb, or I believe in ghosts or I don't believe in ghosts or I believe in aliens or I don't believe in aliens and make my judgment on that, but yeah. Yeah. You mentioned that you weren't a huge fan of the Harry Potter's, but what's so fascinating is that all the characters are you in part, but also your relationship with the world.

Like Harry Potter, just a guy. But chooses, we were just watching this heckleman, chooses Voldem, chooses Voldemort and evil and malevolence and unfairness and abuse. But he chooses that with friends. He'd rather face all of that with his friends than live in this stable household with parents that don't really care about him, but life is okay. He chooses chaos and evil with friends over comfort and stability and safety. And we all do that. We'd all rather a life where we face terrible things, but with loved ones, than face nothing with no one.

So he's very interesting, a character to have go through six different movies. That is interesting. But if you take it literally and you go, all these people are waving wands and stuff. Yeah, it's not that great. Yeah, I think that's maybe I don't like it because that's how I take movies pretty much is just literally sit there and, yeah,

I'm not like a big, like the whole, like fantasy genre. Like I'm not a big fan of like Lord of the Rings either or I liked Game of Thrones but didn't like love it like everyone else did. Yeah. And I think it was like, I don't know, magic and dragons and I wasn't super into. Yeah, I sucked at that too because I'm a logical person.

but once you start to see the humanness in it and there's a reason it sold so many copies there's a reason that it's a number one movie there's a reason that we meme it and we talk about it and we don't know like I had when I was growing up like

our Catholic church was against us watching it and that the reason they think that is because they think the ideas in that are dangerous and that's fascinating too how can a movie be dangerous? Like, what about it? And we can say, well, you're silly, but it's the idea of Jesus Christ being told

without Jesus Christ ever being mentioned once. And that's what they don't like. It's because you're taking the story and not giving any of the connection to the belief system that brought it about because he's absolutely 110% Jesus Christ in the story. Yeah. He willingly sacrifices himself for everybody else.

Yeah. And he hopes he doesn't have to, just like Jesus Christ did. And you could be that person. You could do right by your community, your society, and it might be hell. You might have to give it all up. But you'd be dying for one of the most noble causes you could ever die for. And your life would have meaning. And it would mean something to other people.

And that's a crazy thing to think about, is what if you put in a hundred and ten 10% into something. What if every chance you had, you went all in and bet on yourself? People don't do that. It freaks them out. So they just watch movies about it. And that's enough. Yeah, that's way deeper than the waving magic wands and what's the game they play on the brooms?

Quidditch. Which is a fascinating thing as well. Is it? Because I think I told you about the snitch. I've talked about it definitely before. The idea behind the story, according to controversial people like Jordan Peterson and And I think even J.K. Rowling is you need to chase your creativity. And the snitch in the story, the thing that Harry Potter is the best at chasing is the golden snitch, is creativity.

It's why I think people like you, people like Matthew Tanner, people like Peter Ross are so fucking important. It's because you might not be making $10 million a day right now. But you're chasing your passion and we have to have to have to have to. to support that. And the reason we have to support that is because we need a strong social fabric, and that is made up of people who put their best foot forward, who give, take their talent and share it. Carrie Lynn Victor is a fascinating person because she talks about how she's got this artistic gift, but she feels an obligation to share it. She feels obligated to give part of it away just to the community

and anything she doesn't make money off of. Like if it's a community event, she doesn't charge any money for it because her gift is for the community, not for her. That's really cool. We're not good at, like, recognizing that. And I think that that's what you're doing.

That's what Matthew Tanner does, is you have a passion, and people will belittle it, but it's really, really important. It's interesting. I like his passion. And like, I learned so much watching that, listening to him, talk about Scotch. I don't know.

There's so many, like, more things that went into it that he's, like, clearly almost, like, basically studied it. Like, he's, he's invested some serious time into it. And it's crazy, like, even just, I don't know, just tasting something someone else made and, like, essentially critiquing it. he's kind of made himself an expert in those things i don't know it's super super fascinating i'm sure there's like people doing that with all of the like it's probably people to do with rums and people to do with coffee and stuff but it's cool that he like you know dials in i like scotch or whiskey and then he's like i don't know coming and educating you on it and it's uh yeah it's it's it's pretty wild like i just didn't realize i figured you made

like this fermented thing and then you distilled it put it in a barrel for some time and then like I didn't realize all the like filtering processes and all the stuff he was talking about it's crazy all the different grains and all I thought there was like barley and corn was basically it

rye yeah when he showed me the two drinks next to each other and one was in uh he's gonna get mad at me the cask the yeah the cherry cask yeah and the other one wasn't They taste nothing alike.

No. But they are the exact same, except for what they sat in. Yeah. I don't get it. And even the, like, I loved when you finally had the smoky scotch. What was it? Was it Lagavulin? I can't remember.

Lefroig? Lefroig. I've had Lefroig, and when he said they was saving it for the end, I was like, oh, Heron's not going to like that one. I know your reaction to it was perfect. Yeah. But even that's crazy. It's cool, like, how, someone out there, Lefroid,

their favorite scotch and you despised it and it's kind of interesting how you know one thing can be what someone's all about and someone else absolutely hates it yeah but respect it i think that that's the key that he shares yeah and you do a good job of that as well it's like you may not it may not be like that could have been not my favorite drink yeah but you certainly respect the time and energy and passion of another person in a different way and that meant a lot to me when we first did our first interview and you were like you actually like were curious and interested and that was such a trip to me like i thought about that for like a couple of weeks after like every day just being like what does that mean like that's my job like and then just trying to like dissect what that

why that matters so much i think it's important i think there's like there's this like plague right now online where if someone does something even if they do it well but it's something someone doesn't like they'll post the comment oh that fucking sucks that's fucking stupid yeah and that's like well it's not you just aren't interested Kanye West is an example of that right now yeah I would say personally when I see it it's like like the argument is like Kanye West had something stupid that doesn't that's not news to me

yeah he's an artist and the weird thing about artists is they have to go to a place I don't know have you ever heard of Juice World? No okay he's probably my favorite rapper of all time which is a bizarre thing for me to say because I have a lot of favorites. I thought you were going to tell me out of a place that makes wicked juice. No, I was excited. He's really fascinating because his songs are all about like the pills keep me alive, but they also keep me from living. And he's like, if I, if I stop taking the pills,

I won't be here. But if I keep taking the pills, I won't be here. He made this amazing album, all about mental health and his struggle and a sense of loneliness and being inadequate and the cool way that he wraps is he just takes the beat makes a song

goes eh let's do it one more time makes another one no prep no writing no journal just does it and then the person goes to me up that's going to be a hit and he doesn't have to do he died right after making that album

oh really the album was all about struggling with whether or not he was going to die or not. And he was like, I'm not going to, if I keep trying these drugs, I ain't going to be here. And then he died. And so it's like, to me, he went to the place. He stood on the cliff of life and death. He told you what he saw.

Then he slipped and fell. But like, I couldn't rap about that because I'm not there. Yeah. So you have to go to that spot in order to describe where you are. And it's to know that he's dead. and to listen to the music about him talking about dying. It's heavy. It's crazy, but it gives you such respect for what you have to do in order to be an artist.

And then you look at, like, so for me, I look at Kanye West and I go, yeah, he's wrong. 99% of the time, you're going to be wrong when you're on the cliff. But you don't, you only get new information by going there and taking that risk. And so, of course, he's so wrong about being anti-Semitic about people and, like, that's obviously terrible and reprehensible. He should shut his mouth. But we're not going to him for advice on how to look at geopolitical issues. No. That's not what his job is. That's not what we praise him for and admire him for. Just like Elon Musk, like put him in the category of great engineer. Don't go to him for a relationship advice. Don't go for him for advice on how to run a

country. He's not an expert on those things. But when they say something, we listen. And sometimes we need to do a better job of just saying, like, maybe not on this one. Yeah. People put people up on pedestals and then think that they're experts on everything instead of just like the one thing they focused on. It's, it's super weird, especially celebrities. Yeah. Like is it, what was it? Was it? I can't remember who it was, but the whole like MMR vaccine giving people autism wasn't that based on something a celebrity said? Jenna McCarthy or something. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. It was like people will go to these. celebrities for like medical advice. It's crazy to me.

Yeah. I'd like to describe why I think the Joker's fascinating character. Yeah. Which Joker? I guess all of them, but specifically Heath Ledger. I think there are, first of all, are people with this value system. Yes. I would say that everybody to a certain extent has a Joker within them.

in the movie he's a character who he just doesn't want rules whatever the rule is he wants you to break it so for Batman it's I don't kill and that's the one rule you'll have to break

in order to save the people and so all he wants is for you to recognize the chaos and I think we have to I think there is a point to be made that we have our government institutions and everything is so safe and everything

is nerfed up for people that sometimes we forget that a bear doesn't give a shit and that's sort of what the joker character represents is a reminder of how chaotic and insensitive and inconsiderate mother nature is beyond just our rules and we strive to have safe homes and secure buildings and earthquake proof homes and all that, but to a certain extent, chaos is right outside our door waiting for us. And I think that that's what ideologically the Joker's trying to remind us of is chaos. Yeah, I think you're right. I think, like I said, I take these movies at face value, but I think this is the one case where I kind of really could feel that. But it's true. like even for like kids we bubble wrap them and everything's like crazy amounts of safe now

and you try to protect them from chaos and it's chaos that uh hardens them a little bit it's the hormetic effect like a little bit a you know a couple injuries are probably going to teach them a lesson or just being able to like what does jordan peterson say let them uh let them do dangerous things carefully and it's that like it's the whole all of society is so fixed on keeping everyone safe that I think you lose something in taking risks yeah you think of that with just the freedom you feel when you take like a healthy risk when you don't know what the outcome is for sure going to be it's almost like a breath of fresh air yeah it's like I don't know skydiving and you land and you're safe and you're like exhilarated like you have that

adrenaline rush doing you know anything just a little bit of risk and you feel amazing that's i mean that has to be why there's adrenaline junkies out there that get addicted to that but like i don't know it's it seems like the more you shelter people the more issues they have yeah you think of have you heard about those free climbers i think one actually just passed away he did yeah yeah and there was a good story about just you need like to be calm in the storm there's another fascinating thing that people strive towards and uh I think it was Dr. Gaber Matte that was saying like that's a source of like a way to cope with trauma even doing that and you can say the person's in a clean state of mind they're calm when

they're doing it but it's like to feel calm in such a dangerous situation probably not healthy either no it's i don't know but the more you do it the calmer you can feel under pressure and it's it's weird you get used to it so like i would rather be used to like being able to operate under stressful situations then be totally sheltered and be blown away when you know i'm presented with something that's sketchy or whatever yeah do you want to try the apple pie? Yes, please. I've wanted to since you sent me a picture of it.

Okay, so for those just listening, we're rocking salt spring shine, craft distillery, apple pie moonshine. Now, before you get your knickers in the knot, it's only 30%, so it's not actual. Like, it's distilled from original moonshine. Yeah. Leveled down.

Start out is honey. Oh, really? Yeah. all right ladies get out on me I'm excited for this here we go it doesn't smell like apples it tastes like apple pie

which is a trip to me oh it does taste like apple pie it doesn't smell like apples at all though are there apples in it like Is it like an artificial flavor or it tastes really good? I don't think so. 22, handwritten 22 batch 25. And no, uh, yeah, handmade small batch.

No QR code on there. 100% BC, honey, and apple. Oh, it is too. Yeah, it tastes really good. It tastes like an apple pie. That's pretty crazy. And I am drinking Buffalo Trace, Kentucky Strait bourbon. That's amazing.

Yeah, I really like that. That would be good in a cocktail. It would be good with egg weight. That's a polarizing topic in this room. That is a polarizing. It'd be interesting for you to do that, though. see if it tastes like apple pie, I don't know, goo. I don't know.

It'd be good. It'd be good. What's the other one that you got from there? Is that just the normal? So this is honeycomb. So they just didn't add apple. Oh, I got you. And I think it's, it's 65%.

Oh, so that's like actual moonshine. Getting close. Yeah. I like that. What do you and the fam do for Halloween, having a gupper? Yeah. Yeah, we used to just kind of, I don't know, go to Halloween party or something, and now we have a kid, but you don't really get to do, like she's just turned three. So the first year, they're kind of useless for trick-or-treating or anything.

We did take her out trick-or-treating last year, and she kind of got it, but she's super excited this year. So just doing the trick-or-treating thing, and it's kind of, I don't know, interesting. I used to love it as a kid to do trick-or-treat. Yeah, I used to love it as a kid, so it's cool being able to go out there and do it again. It's, I don't know, it's weird being the one, like, walking around with the trick-or-treater. Instead of being the trick-or-treater myself, I still feel like a kid, so it's kind of odd, but I guess I get to still write her candy when she goes to bed, so. That's awesome. What is she going on as this year?

She's going as a sloth, like a three-toed sloth. She has this, like, stuffed animal of a sloth that she loves and was adamant that we had to find a costume for that. So we found a sloth costume online and got it, and she's all stoked. But there's some crazy costumes out there, though, when you go, like, people put a lot of work into these way more work than I put into. Way, way more work. There's some amazing ones, like, we just bought her a dinosaur. costume last year and then the amount of like you know those big inflatable t-recks the amount of those out there was so awesome and then there were like wicked like multiple person

dinosaur costumes kind of like old school like horse head horse ass put together kind of thing so there was like yeah there's some crazy creative people out there more so than me it's weird that it's an opportunity to be creative and that we because like you could argue that this is a silly holiday. It doesn't matter. It's not prescribed by any religion, but it's an opportunity to try on a different hat, be something else for the night. Fully embody something other than who you are today. And sometimes that just looks like being a little silly and a little goofy, but it's just an opportunity to bring out a different energy in yourself. Yeah. And I would predict if Mr. Freud was with here, was here with us, that he would say that letting that

it out for a small period of time is probably not a bad idea. Probably not. It's like taking a break. It's, yeah, I don't know. It's kind of like taking a break and maybe it's, I don't know, for some people being kind of their true self. I know. it gives that outlet to do I don't know just weird things I know of like my brother loves Halloween

and he turns his house into this giant haunted house I love people like that yeah it takes them a whole day to set up and there's like animatronics and it's to the point now where he needs to actually like expand it into the backyard because the whole front yard

and everything's taken up and but it's it's It's so funny. Like, some people are so, again, going back to, like, sheltered, protective. He's had, like, a mom think that it was too scary, freak out on them, and then stand at the bottom of the driveway and tell people to not go up and try to phone the police on him. Yeah, it's bizarre. But they would, like, do animatronics, and then they all dress up.

And then he, did you ever go to Reapers when they were in Chilohac? You know the guy? They're still here. Are they still there? Yeah. They're just not allowed to do their indoor maze anymore. I thought it shut down completely. No.

It's still, it's the broader call is Pities. Yeah. And so they stop. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. With the scary stuff?

Yeah. Do they? Yeah. So they're just very restricted on what they're allowed to do now because the federal government changed regulation on agricultural land reserves. That whole thing was ridiculous. Yeah. But when you go through there,

You know, at the end of the maze, the guy with the chainsaw doesn't have a chain on it, and he rubs it up and chases you. My brother was doing that one year, and people were freaking out. And yeah, not so happy about it. But, like, his whole family gets into it. None of his kids want to trick or treat. And it's to the point where my nephew, his birthday, is in November. And he actually has just a Halloween-themed birthday.

And they either do it early with those decorations. or they leave them up and he has a Halloween birthday that just kind of all melds together. But Halloween is like their family holiday and they dress up and they, you know, build all the stuff around the house and they go crazy. It's, I don't know, super interesting.

It's like this weird holiday that brings them together. I think it's really impressive when people actually go all out for something like that because like what a under-recognized, undervalued, community spirit because it is weird that we send our children, our societal children out to go knock on strangers' doors and... And get candy. Get candy.

Like, factually, that sounds bizarre. If you were like, what's the safest, the most appropriate way to approach something? You certainly wouldn't land there, but what a growing experience for children to have that experience and come out of it okay? mm-hmm it's yeah it I don't know how it came to be but it sounds like like you spend all year telling your kids to not talk to strangers or whatever and then you're like yeah but go to their house and ask for candy that's cool yeah what's really weird about it is that we tell them that this is what makes me uncomfortable it makes me mad it makes me a little crazy that we warn them about the potential for somebody putting like meth in that their chocolate bar. Like this is not happening. No,

there's not a single confirmed case of this. Yet. Yet. Until, until people watch this episode. Yeah, we talk about it every year and my mother would go through it and make sure. Like,

to be clear, no drug dealers, give away free drugs. No. That's just not how it works, ladies and gentlemen. And, eight-year-old kids are not.

their target market either. They can't afford to buy it for the next 10 years. It makes no sense. So we went to Munch Cone. We bought a bunch I'll show you afterwards. We bought a bunch and we spent like too much money on candy. But our candy is going to be like nothing else because we got like crazy flavored. Yeah.

Everything and like an office themed mint thing with like the Dundee Award on it and stuff. Oh, that's amazing. Just, like, had a bunch of fun with it and then reached out to the owner and was just like, hey, we're doing this. We're going to go come shopping at your place. We'd like some coupons so people know where to get this in the future. So, like, it's an opportunity to, like, support what he's doing, which is cool, because Sticky's candy is his competition. They're expensive. Yeah.

And this place is just, it's just fun. It's just cool to go grab some chubbies and stuff. I don't know if you drank chubbies as a kid. Yeah, you should clarify what that is. You don't, have you never had to? I know what it is. It's a bottled pop that you have when you were growing up. It's old school.

Yeah. And different flavors. And they were just round little bottles. And they don't really sell them in save on foods anymore. So he still gets them. And just a cool way to give people a different experience. And so we asked for some like coupons so people know to go check him out if they want to buy more. Oh, I'm going to send my kid here to trick or treat then.

I was actually going to say, I hope you do. Yeah. Unless I'm too scary. I don't know. This is the whole Joker character. You're really, like, getting into character. It is a little sketchy. I enjoy it.

I think it's important for people to be able to experience something different, see the world through a different lens, put on a character. Some people didn't participate in their school play. And so it's just an opportunity to try something else out and to take some risks in an evening. So what do you guys generally do for Halloween then? Is this a, do you, do you really get into it or? No. We usually just watch movies at home, but it's because we lived in an apartment.

Yeah. Now we have a front door. You're going to get overwhelmed by trick or treaters here. I hope so. It's going to be crazy. I've never had a trick or treater. I've never tricked or treated, like given out the food. I've always been on the receiving end as a kid.

And it was a lot of fun. It's odd. Yeah. it's a weird feeling at first you feel so grown up and then yeah then it just kind of gets annoying because your doorbell rings every uh two minutes or so but i think i'm just gonna sit there that's a big smile oh that's a good idea um last our complex does this thing where they like there's a big clubhouse in our townhouse complex and they just do a big um like haunted house thing for the kids there it's it's kind of cool but what's extra cool is that you put a sign up all on your door that says, just go there. And then you don't have to deal with trick-or-treaters. That's awesome. Wow.

So last year, when the COVID thing was going on, that we didn't get that. And yeah, it was just non-stop trick-or-treaters. Like our area there is full of kids. It was, yeah, probably like every two minutes knocking on the door. Luckily, we went out trick-or-treating, but. We weren't home for it. Yeah, we weren't home for a lot of it. But I have a ring doorbell.

So, yeah, it was like probably a hundred-something. doorbell rings. It was crazy. You've a really cool kid. Yeah, she's pretty cool. Say more. She's, uh, insane. She's three, so she's, uh, yeah, super busy and, uh, talks a lot.

But, yeah, she's, uh, not around other people. No, no, she's, she was pretty quiet around you. She was talking a little bit, wasn't she? Yeah, a little bit. She's, she doesn't, uh, doesn't shut up normally. She started talking before she was one. And then just kind of language was her thing. And I don't know, her doctor said, well, if she's talking already,

you need to really engage her and keep her talking. So now she just, it's nonstop. It's crazy. But yeah, she's super cool. She's really busy. She's in this, like, outdoor daycare thing, not daycare preschool. Yeah. Where they teach them, teach them about the river.

and I don't know they were learning about fish today and they're doing Halloween crafts and stuff and it's all outdoors which is kind of cool like my preschool when I was a kid I was locked they kind of just locked you in a room with a bunch of toys and a bunch of kids and said yeah go go at her so this is seems better they have like five instructors for a class of kids four or five of them and and they teach them about stuff out in the bush and it's something I would have liked to have done yeah but yeah she is He's crazy, though, three years old is... It's tiring. Seems like the relationship is so cool, though, just seeing you two interact. Yeah, we have a good time. Yeah. We have a lot of fun. We went for...

Well, I was happy because you were running late and text me, and then I was actually running late because we had gone for... We had went for a bike ride down on the river, and then I got your text and saw what time it was, and I was like, oh, shit. So that worked out. To be honest, I think... thought you were sleeping. Oh, no, I wasn't. Yeah. No, that's what I want to be doing, but the weather cleared up, which is good. Yeah. That smoke was crazy. I don't even know where all it was coming from.

It was like hope, somewhere in hope? No, most of it was coming from the US. Oh, was it from. And then there was a few fires just past. It was, I was coming home from Surrey on one of the days. And Surrey was, I don't know, just how it flows, seemed unaffected by it on a couple of the days, but behind me was daylight and in front of me was like, like, nighttime. Like, it was like crazy. It was like, right when you're at 200th or so, you just drive into this giant cloud of smoke. It was super sketchy. I, yeah, well, I'm glad it wasn't PC that was burning this time.

Yeah. It's such a trip to see it improve. It's very alarming. That this is happening. This is the state of affairs because that was a very bleak. We've had a very bleak September on October, that's far. And it's good that it cleared up. Yeah.

It's, you know, it's kind of depressing is that there's no water flowing in that river right now. Even while going, like, we rode our bike down there and rode by the river. And my daughter was actually upset about it. She was asking me where the water is. I'm like, I don't know, how do you explain to a three old what happened to the water in the river? but yeah it's uh it has been bleak it's been an odd october we went up to our cabin to um i don't just kind of get in the last uh the last hurrah there for thanksgiving weekend it was 30 degrees during the day in october it was stupid and i dropped down to like five at night but it was still

like it was like summer during the day i was i was swimming in october so that's crazy yeah it was awesome. Yeah, hopefully things get better. If you listen to Marvin, it doesn't sound like we're on the right track. It doesn't. That was a super interesting one, though, too. Yeah. I legitimately went and got a piece of salmon to make for dinner while I was listening to that. I was actually super into it.

Yeah. But, yeah, that was kind of depressing to hear the state of affairs for the Fraser. Yeah, and just no end in sight. and so talk about tragedies to have had something that it served a community for 10,000 years and to see that we've mucked it up like 150. Yeah. It's very depressing. I don't know.

Maybe it'll bounce back. Hopefully. Tell us about the updates you have with your leather work. Oh, updates. You have some amazing updates and you should be very proud of yourself. I do have a couple. I've had, I think I've had two more offers since I last talk to you. Tell people what, for people who might not have turned into the first two.

So one, I'm working on a sponsor deal with a leather supplier who just wants to send me some leather and just do some kind of like, I don't know, brand awareness for himself. What's the name of your YouTube channel? Oh, sorry, my YouTube channel is Black Flag Leather Goods. I just teach people how to do leather work, make leather things, and I've been at it for, how long have I been doing it for? A year, two years, I think now. Yeah, getting close to three, two point eight years.

Yeah, they started around the same time as you did, yeah. But the YouTube channel's been just kind of increasing. I'm approaching 10,000 subscribers now, which I kind of have a thing that tells me the pace I'm at. So I'm on pace to still hit 10,000. this year, uh, sometime in December, which will be super cool. How do you find that out? Um, there's like a website, social blade or something. They kind of give you projections. I didn't even know that. Yeah, we can look yours up after. Oh, no, please don't. But your, your focus isn't

YouTube either. Like, your focus is the, the podcasting platforms, is it not? I want to be successful at all. That's true. Yeah. Well, I don't want to fail. Well, no, but, but, but you're going to prioritize some over the others like like i started prioritizing instagram and now i really could care less about instagram wow i'm not a fan yeah wow it's like it's all reels now i don't like posting reels wow well well that's that's that's true yeah rebecca posts all of your reels doesn't she yeah people don't know that i don't have to i'm not good at it ladies You see the ones I made And it's just like

I don't understand this medium of communication No, I don't like it But I like pictures But it seems like I don't know, I used to post a picture And it would get hundreds of likes and stuff And now it seems like it gets like 15 or something stupid So I don't really

You need to collab more That's the way they've gone too Yeah You gotta collab Yeah and I don't really Like this is This is the extent of my collabing is coming on your podcast and it's just because I really like

to be in podcasts so I'm happy to come here whenever you'll have me but yeah um so I had yeah one leather supplier reach out offering to send me some leather for kind of just kind of open ended make something give me a shout out kind of thing I think he's kind of just testing the waters but I've had two different companies reach out that want to give me uh laser cutters too which is which is kind of cool do you lay Laser cut? I thought you would cut by hand. I do now, but laser cutting would be super interesting. So I had, yeah, I've had two companies reach out to me about offering me a laser cutter and I'm working on deals with them, which is weird.

I've never negotiated a sponsorship deal or like something like this before. So it's kind of odd, but... What did it mean to you? It's huge, yeah. It's like... I mean, like if I wanted to, I could buy one of these things like, it's... if I would have, if I really wanted one. But it's cool that someone sees value in me,

that they want to send me this. And like, obviously they get out of it, the fact that I'm going to review their thing. But they're not, you know, sending these to everybody either. And it's still like a, I don't know, I think $7 or $800 machine. So it's, yeah, it's odd when they reach out. And it's still kind of like sinking in that people want to do that.

But did you? you ever get the fake ones that like we love what you're doing just right to us and like it's all fake and it's like and we'll start marketing your yeah all that's always discouraging because you're like holy like you couldn't even write my name in the request like this is just a generic messages yeah 10,000 people yeah all the those come in all the time usually those come in through Instagram. The, the companies and people that actually do their homework will, like, go through my website, reach out to me through my email, which I don't really advertise. It's just, there's a contact form on my website, and I think I mention it once somewhere else. And they call me by name,

which my name's not actually on anything unless you've watched my videos. Do you say I'm Tim Swigley? I have in some of them, but like, it's not like I hide my name, but I don't like say, it either. But some people figure it out and then call me Tim in the comments and then like... Can I call you Timothy? You can call me whatever you want. Oh, thank you. Timothy's fine. But yeah, it's neat that someone would see value and reach out and try to do that. Like, try to give me something for obviously a review. But I mean, they're not going to reach out to someone that they don't like what they're doing

either. And all the work you put in that nobody ever saw all the on the side of the bed kind of work. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's been a ton of work. I've kind of been, like, dialed back a little bit, like I'm not doing a once a week video like I was. You also don't have to, though. It's not the same as this. No.

Like, if you stop posting, people stop. No, they don't stop. There's a noticeable bump when I do post, though. Even posting reels, like posting reels across the board makes all my videos do better. So it's pretty. Pretty clear that that short-form content is going to be beneficial no matter where you're posting it. Oh, I went from even episode two with you. Yeah.

I was at like 140 and now I'm at 220. Yeah. I think you're above that now. I looked at it yesterday. I think I'm at 218 if I'm not mistaken. Are you? Something like that. Do you lose some?

I don't think so. I don't think that people aren't subscribe very often. but uh yeah the the youtube shorts are huge just for subscriptions yeah but i don't know that they necessarily mean anything and they could be bots too no interesting that's true yeah and then every now and then you'll like lose a bunch of subscribers i've never lost have you not it'll come eventually well i'm not at 10 000 well but you but you'll lose like i'm not king kong you'll lose like all of a sudden you'll lose like 10 in one day or something and you'll be like what the hell happened and it's like YouTube purging bots and inactive accounts and

stuff like that but yeah it's pretty crazy what advice do you have for people like matt start your YouTube channel now yeah Matt Matt start now you have a good concept it would be good and he's got a good voice he's a good voice for it he's engaging knows his stuff and he's not I I watch a couple YouTubers who do like whiskey stuff there's a couple good ones but the vast majority of them seem like what are we doing oh you're getting hot that the vast majority of them uh seem like older stuffy kind of dudes that i don't know they're you look concerned we are okay are we yeah i didn't know what i did yeah um like he's like a young guy doing it like if he started a youtube channel i think he would do well but it's like that just

getting started is so hard. He was getting close from what I understood, and then his home burned down. His did? Yeah. No. His apartment caught fire.

Really? And then, this might be incorrect, so I apologize if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure. And then it rained a lot. So it burned down, then flooded. Yeah, and I think he does mention it that one of the drinks, he was like, it's a little burnt.

Oh, geez. Yeah. I didn't realize that. I think he lost some of his collection from the fires. But his plan was to do something. And then he's just been kind of, which is interesting because we're kind of in the same boat. Yeah. Because, like, we're here and we'll be leaving this location sometime in the next month and a half.

Are you really? Yeah. Where you going? Home? No way. Yeah. Where's home? where we were.

Oh, you're going back there? Episode one. All right. The first episode, yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah, this is all coming to an end. No way.

Yeah. Wow. It was nice. The while it lasted. I have them putting up a really dope wallpaper on the wall to give it that wood. I didn't know you were going back there. For the interim, yeah. I liked having you guys out here.

Yeah. Goodbye. Do you own that place? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, I didn't. This place is $3,000 per month.

Yeah. I could see that. Which is crazy to my brain. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know you're going back there. Yeah. Well, that sucks.

That's probably good for you guys, but it'll have a nice new place. We like the space here. Obviously, this podcast room isn't bad. Your space there was awesome, though, too. It worked perfectly. It smidge small, but it'll do good in the interim. But having a podcast room is key. So we've already got, I met with a designer and I was like, we got to do something.

I want to stop putting up foam on all the walls. Yeah. Does the foam actually do anything for sound? Yeah. Does that? Yeah. Interesting. I mean, I have 10,000 pieces of foam, so it's a lot of foam.

So it does, it does a fair bit. That's good. Well, now you can donate it to Matt for his YouTube channel. That's true. I hope he does start one. I really think it's important. I think so. He's... I think he needs... He's also amazing at his job.

At least two advisors to help him. Yes, he does. He's amazing at the work he does. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely watch that. And I think he would be different from anyone else in that space, doing whiskey, like the old white hair guys talking about their favorite. Scotch is. Yeah. And I just,

I love that all the cool people that I get to meet, you, Matthew, myself, when I talk to myself in the mirror. Yeah. Have support. Like, have partners that believe in that support,

man, do they ever deserve credit? Yeah. You talked about it. He talked about it. Rebecca's in here all the time, recording during an episode, helping put things together.

It's huge if you don't have that, like, if you don't have someone helping you out, or not even helping you out, but like, that's cool with it, then it's all of a sudden, like, you're wasting time that you could be with them for. I think we talked about that before, but it's like if they believe in it and support it, it makes it so much better. Yeah. It's like one less thing to worry about. And it's, I don't know, one of those things where the support seems to go up to, like, when I started, she definitely supported me, but then as she can, like, as I started, like, getting the ball rolling and she could see people that are, like, online that are following what I'm doing and sees comments coming in on YouTube and then, you know, sees the amount of, like, views I have going up and then sees money coming in and money increasing from YouTube. Like, there's obviously, it's obviously doing something. And so then there's that, like, proof of concept to them, too, to kind of, instill in them some kind of, uh, uh, reinforcement that they're not crazy. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, there's like a difference between saying like, you matter. Yeah. Versus saying, like, when Matt talked about how he, like, his partner would, like, try something and be like, oh, it's like, it's like, it's got like that cherry cask, right? Did I get it, right? Yeah. Like, that means so much when you've poured so much energy into something that your partner has learned something.

Mm-hmm. just being around you that they care enough to remember and that might seem obvious but it's really, really important. Yeah. Yeah, it means a lot.

Yeah. Because it can feel crazy when I started this. It was like I'm going to start a podcast and I'm going to invite people on and there was it's so funny. There was the room that we had as the now was the studio. yeah was a closet

it was yeah with just like a wall yeah of crap that we had to deal with and I was like I'm gonna turn that into a podcast studio and we're gonna invite people over here and we're gonna interview them yeah like that seemed crazy when you looked at the room it does seem crazy but then you

you take these like baby steps and all of a sudden it's less crazy and less crazy and less crazy and now it's just like life yeah and now I was at a lunch with someone and then somebody walked past and they were like oh like I think you host the podcast I really like your stuff and I was like whoa like that means a lot like I had no idea and like it's a it's a trip to have people to get recognized yeah was that your first time getting recognized for it no there's been quite a few people but uh they recognize me based on my voice I could see that which is interesting I could see that when people say I have a podcast voice I go like I don't know what you're talking about that's interesting I got recognized

for the first time recently I walked into a leather store in in Surrey called Tandy leather and I walked in and the guy behind the register said I know you

and I said oh yeah he was like yeah you're black flag leather I was like oh that's crazy I got blew my mind that's really cool because you like mine is treated like a Chilawak

podcast which is not. Where you're, like, you just send it out into the world. Yeah. Like, you're not restricted, so it's fascinating that you did get recognized because it's not like you're a Surrey leatherworking. No. Organization, like, you send it out, and I don't know, like,

I'm guessing your primary audience is the US. Yeah. Which is fascinating that you get recognized here. Because you don't brand yourself either. It's like, Tim, the leatherworking. No. Although I have noticed a little optic in that Instagram page of yours. Yeah, yeah, it's starting, I've started to put a little bit of work into it, but, I don't know, I got a couple of YouTube videos on, on that page I'm working on too, but...

Do you? Yeah. I'm not subscribed to Tim's written. No, I don't have them live yet. I'm just kind of like... Getting ready. Getting ready. Playing with the store.

Yeah. See if I can run a second one and just do kind of, like, I don't know, other stuff. I was thinking about that, but then I just decided if I ever switch, it'll just be called the Aaron Pete podcast. And I'm not, I'm not going to start another channel. I'll just switch the name of it if I go that far. Yeah. Yeah. I like the Aaron Pete podcast.

It kind of rolls off the tongue. APP. APP. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. It's one of the biggest struggles I have is like, people are like, oh, you're the podcast guy. And it's like, and you're Aaron Pete. Yeah.

And it's like, oh, why am I calling? at the bigger than me podcast if nobody's using the name yeah does anyone

call it that or is it just mainly in introductions yeah this is Aaron Pete

he hosts the bigger like that's yeah that's it interesting so

so what's next for you then what are you what's the next stages for this thing I noticed that you said you were going to

do the like virtual interviews and stuff. Yeah, we have a few releasing. I have two on the horizon and one already done with Tara Henley, which will be really good.

I don't have you heard that one? Low key, I send Tim all the podcasts before I released that. Yeah, I watched it last night. I wasn't sure if I should say that I seen it or not, but yeah, it was really good. I don't know, you were concerned that you would lose something with not having them

there with you, and I don't feel like you did. Thank you. But I think it could be, like, dependent on the guest, too. Like, maybe you will, depending on the guest. She was so amazing. Nice. Yeah.

You didn't even get to hear all of it because it was like, it's there, but it just doesn't make sense to include. But she was just very kind. She mentioned that she'd listened to a bunch of episodes. Before we started recording, she was like, I admire your work. And it was just like, you are the goat in Canada right now. Yeah. She sounds like she's a good fit for you to. like covering hip-hop and stuff before.

Did you know that going in there? No. No? So that blew your mind then. And I have so many more questions, but we only had an hour, which is the problem. But then I don't want to make Zoom interviews three hours long. That seems untenable. Well, but I don't think, like, the purpose of the Zoom interviews would be to reach people that you couldn't reach otherwise.

And if you're reaching out like that, those would be people that aren't going to probably want to do a three-hour. interview either. Correct. So I think it's, I don't know, I think it'll fit nicely. I would have just had like thousands of questions just about the hip hop piece personally. Yeah. And that is probably the weirdest thing to navigate as an interviewer. It's like, what interests just me? And sometimes those questions are appropriate. Yeah. But what interests the general public? That's usually the default. And then sometimes I'll be like, you know what? You can sit through. I'm curious. Yeah. I'm nosy. I want to know. Well, you can bring her back and then ask those questions later.

For sure. She definitely seems like a person would be open for doing something like that. Yeah. That should broaden your reach huge, just getting you know, people that aren't in Chilliwack. Low key, I need you to help me understand how to make what to call

things, how to phrase things, because I don't know what hits how to make a successful, like how to word it, how to use the keywords effectively. It's, yeah, it's, it's weird because like every little niche and genres. I don't even

know what cat. I think the biggest problem is category. I don't understand the categories. Yeah. I don't think the categories are made by the platform. I think they're made by the viewers. Like, I think, because this other algorithm

basically works on like Aaron listens to this and he also listens or Aaron watches leather working and he also likes hip hop and then they'll try, say, so someone else watches leather work and they'll feed them a hip hop video and they say they click it, okay, there's some kind of link between leather and hip hop and they'll do this. And I think genres form kind of by what people are watching, not necessarily by YouTube clicking a box. Like, so you'll end up with like, okay, so if someone so likes these things, they probably also like these things.

And it kind of makes little, like, I don't know, genres. Does that make sense at all? So do you think, I think she, I put her in news and politics. Yeah. Should she be in news and politics? We talk about journalism, news. Yeah, I don't. Maybe.

I don't know. Like, but it's like, it's like one of those things where you kind of just got to play with it. I don't know. I would love to, like, I, love YouTube and I love like giving advice on YouTube but I'm also like I'm doing okay on YouTube but by YouTube standards I'm not a big creator I'm still small creator like under 10,000 when there's people that have you know Mr. Beast across this channel has like 200 million subscribers so I'm still like a small guy but I would love to do like YouTube

education or stuff but it's like I know how to make YouTube videos for making leather things and maybe my other videos are going to tank and I don't know how to make them like it's every little niche is weird and different in their own right and and you're in a hard one too like the podcast space like a lot of people have podcasts you're different because you have for last two two and a half years three years put in the effort every single week you know without fail whereas most people are going to make five episodes and be like this is hard three people have watched it I'm out yeah but still I'm sure there's still a lot of people who have put in the same effort that you have that are you know probably some of

them behind you some of them are ahead of you and it's just like there's a huge group of people doing podcasts and it's really hard to break out of that there are considerably less people making leather videos like and that's where I can kind of you know pull ahead or like There's probably 10 to 20 100,000 plus subscriber, leather worker YouTube channels. Like, it's very small space. What I find really interesting is a lot of podcasters, maybe your favorite one, will completely avoid YouTube. Yeah. Because you can't privatize your numbers on YouTube.

They're public. Yeah, that's true. And so I know a lot of podcasters who wouldn't dare. put it out on YouTube because when it's just a podcast you don't really know yeah and so you can say I'm a big deal there was who is it there was one person who's like oh you're like in the top like 10% of podcasts yeah 90% of podcasters don't make it to episode five yeah so yeah I've surpassed them that doesn't mean anything so they have like fake metrics of like oh you're successful and it's like for me success is defined by the quality of guests I'm able to have on

not by numbers but numbers are influential you want to know that you're progressing and moving in the right direction but Tara Henley was a big feather in my cap in terms of like that's a big you were willing to share your time with me and you absolutely had no reason to you're reaching way more people on your own platform then you're going to reach with me so So, but, like, even for you, like, reaching out to these people, like, I, she said she's on substack as well, correct? So even now, like, how many can, is that a public number? How many people are subscribed to someone's substack? No, but I have, like, 306.

I'm not like, I'm not an ego person. I don't. But I would imagine she has a ton of them. Thousands, yeah, for sure. Yeah. She, she gets. So, like, I still only get, like, a few likes or comments on my substack, which matters. It matters.

whether or not you comment like and stuff. Interestingly, Tyler Olson, who runs an email thing, he was just explaining that if you don't respond to the email, certain amount of times if you don't like comment or respond or even view it, starts to go into your spam. Yeah. And so it matters. And so she gets like 150 likes.

Yeah, that's awesome. And like 100 comments. And then you think, why I have 300, she must have thousands. Yeah. Yeah. She respond to them all? She wants to, which is, I think she mentioned that. Yeah.

She wants to be able to respond to people because people are more honest when they're commenting on substack than I'd say even on YouTube or Facebook or whatever it is. Yeah. I like that she mentioned that she gets like private messages that are even more in depth and like, I don't know, vulnerable, which is kind of cool. But with that, like with her numbers now, if you have. someone like that on now you have that bigger reach and if they even mention you like that could be huge for you yeah is just bringing on those guests whereas like your guests that you've had on are all mostly local pretty pretty local anyway um tim's push in his luck i know i know i know on your chiloac podcast um but but they but they've all be pretty much been local but like if they so

anyone following them is going to also probably be local and so there's, I would think there's a ceiling until you start reaching out broader to these types of people for, for you. But that's the other danger. I'd never want anyone to feel like I'm reaching out to them because they give a shit about the numbers. No, but, oh, I'm going to reach your, like, I see people do that and it's just, it's heartbreaking because it's like, I reached out to her because I was like, you're a really interesting guest to get your perspective on and I don't think you've had. the opportunity to be asked thoughtful questions the way I'm going to try and ask thoughtful

questions. So I'd like to do this. A side benefit is that she has this audience that I haven't reached. But like the danger is like being one of those people who thinks that that's what matters. But you're different in that you haven't been reaching out because you were concerned about the quality of your podcast, which is the difference. And you've been vocal about that. And now you're kind of biting the bullet and at least testing the waters.

and maybe it works out great, maybe it doesn't, and you go back to doing what you were doing, but that's, you've been vocal about not reaching out for that reason because you want the quality to be at a certain standard. Yeah, and I like the human connection of it. It's really interesting seeing people have nerves coming in, and they're little, and then some people don't notice,

and it's just, it's fascinating to see and try and help people feel comfortable. And, like, Kylie, she knew exactly how she wanted to be. Like, she even came in and she was like, oh, like, I think I'd like this shirt better than that shirt. And she went and changed. Oh, no way.

And it was like, wow. Like, you actually care and understand what a podcast, like what a video podcast is. And then other people, like, could come in and they sit down and they go, oh, this is video recorded. I had no idea. And I was like, well, that, you kind of hurt my feelings. Like, I put a lot of work.

of this and you didn't watch one episode beforehand. Yeah. Didn't take a look. Didn't do their homework. Yeah. So. It is kind of weird though. Like I said, the first one that I did with you was super nervous for. Second one, I was pretty chill. And I actually feel like a little more nervous today coming in. Yeah. And I don't know why. Probably the smile. It could have been the, yeah, this Joker character. This is probably more the true Aaron character when the cameras turn off. Yeah.

could be yeah it's very exciting i have uh Nicole McLaren coming on you probably don't know i don't know who she is at all she is an entrepreneur and she created a company called raven reads and it's a subscription box company completely dedicated to indigenous curation so they get artists and creators and authors put it in a box and you get a box once a season filled with different artistic creations from indigenous curated creations. I thought she's

because like to me the name of the game for reconciliation is accessibility. Yeah. I'm really against the philosophy of burdening people with the I put that in there. Yeah.

I'm really against just burdening people with the terrible atrocities. Rebecca's university where she works, the UFVSS, they made her watch this traumatic video about the abuses and atrocities at Indian residential school and then just sent them back to work. Like just watch it. Just a person explaining how they were abused sexually, emotionally, physically, and then just

send them back to work. I'm going to be honest. That's the purpose of that. That doesn't help me as an indigenous person. That doesn't help my community. that just makes you more judgmental of indigenous people when you see them on the streets

if you're driving down the road and you go oh yeah Indian residential schools well that's what caused that that doesn't help you go how do we get out of this or who's fighting that like that doesn't give you any further useful knowledge so it's important to me

that people like Nicole exist because I want it to be easy for you to learn about the beauty of our culture and that's where I think we just do a terrible job right now of making it accessible to learn have you heard like me talk about

indigenous culture like the generous man in the red cedar tree and the bad rock and jealousy and selfishness and

that's what people should learn about I have I'm working on getting a piece from Carrie Lynn who's, have you seen Carrie Lynn's work she's got a bunch of murals

but she's been I think you showed me yeah but I've been I want to get like a few pieces because I think what she's doing is just incredible. And, oh, my gosh. One of my favorite rappers just replied to me. So that's going to freak my brain out.

I'm working on getting these two pieces. Oh, yeah, I like those. For the new space? Or a new old space? I just want to have original Carrilyn Victor. work. Yeah. She's a fascinating cat, and I think, like, I just don't know how to describe what she's

making. Like, it's so cool. And it's very exciting to me that people like her are starting to come up on the rise. Yeah. And that's who I want people to know about it. And so her creating that and creating that atmosphere and those relationships with customers excites me because, as I think I told you, I want a cuckooly cafe here in the Fraser Valley.

We've got to go there. Oh, we got to. go to the Kukuli Cafe together. That would be cool. I don't know that I've ever heard of it. Well, that's embarrassing and you should be ashamed of yourself. I am a little. It's like indigenous cuisine and their slogan, which is the best slogan, don't panic. We have panic.

That's pretty good. I really like it. And so, yeah, they just, they deliver on DoorDash, skip the dishes. They're very good at making it accessible. I just, I think that's the way for people to learn about our culture. in a positive way. Yeah. You don't need any orange shirt.

You don't need to change your background. You don't need to give a land acknowledgement. I need you to know about the beauty of my culture. Yeah. That's all. That's your PSA for the day. That's it? That's it.

It's good. I like it. I like it. It's like clearly stuff that you're passionate about because you and I've talked about the orange shirts and land acknowledgments and all that before. No. There's nothing wrong with it. them. I just think it's dangerous to think that you're making a difference by wearing an

orange shirt or giving a landing knowledge. I don't think that that is evidence of anything other than you're attempting to participate, but your participation could be far deeper and not wearing an orange shirt does not make you a bad person. Yeah. It's people want to act like they're doing something without having to put any effort in, I think is what it is. I think, is what it is. I think the other secret is people starve for community. And that makes us feel like we're a community. And so I know another person, his partner is like, oh yeah, like just wear the orange shirt.

Like we're all in solidarity. That means something to some people. And that's, that's well. But if that's not your jam, that's fine. If reconciliation isn't your jam, if it's the war in Ukraine, if it's what's going on with the Uyghurs in China,

If it's global warming, if it's the abuses and mistreatment of LGBTQ2 plus people, that's fine with me. I want people at the table who want to be at the table. And I think we don't do a good job of giving people grace. I'm like, you cannot prioritize every single issue on planet Earth all the time and be sane. Well, and you need people behind each one of them, and it's not going to be the same person behind all of them. It can't be, like, because you're going to be stretched too thin and you have other things going on in your life. Reconciliation matters to me,

but to me, reconciliation means other people coming to the table of all backgrounds and indigenous communities coming to the background. And I think if we're going to have the conversation, it needs to be balanced. And so one thing I'm always on about is fireworks. How can you have the city of Chilawak set out a bylaw saying no fireworks, because they could harm you, your family, and your kids, and all types of people. Yeah.

And then a reserve go, oh, well, you're going to make that not allowed. So we're just going to make illegal on our reserve and we're going to sell a ton of them because we're technically not on your municipality. Like, what a middle finger to that bylaw. Yeah. That's not reconciliation. Yeah. I don't understand. Like, you want them to reconcile with you.

Then you have to participate. And that's where I think indigenous cuisine comes in is like, that's the obvious. next step but sure that's a business but you're spitting in the face of your your neighbor who's making this rule against it it would be like if you said no candy for your kid and I said well technically I'm not your family member so I can give you kid all the candy I want because I don't have to listen to his rule and you'd be like well yeah you could but could you not that's interesting I like well first I don't really know any indigenous cuisine other than Bannick and smoke

salmon I guess That's a good question There is different ones But the recipes have obviously Fallen out of favor Because a lot of it is traditional meats That you can't Just buy the grocery store

Yeah, that's fair Yeah But is there What's at this cafe? Oh they have Saskatoonberry Bannick They have Salads with Bannick in it They have a score Bannick

and salmon berry bannick, a bunch of different things. I only tried those three, so I can't name off the whole menu, unfortunately. But it was really good. And it was just cool to see, like, think of like a pack of donuts from Tim Horton's, but bannock.

That's really cool. That was cool. That seems like food is kind of the stepping stone to bringing cultures together, no matter what two cultures or however many cultures there is sharing some food. and then it's kind of the, like, icebreaker. It's why people travel.

Yeah. So what if you didn't have to travel, and you can try a new culture right here? Yeah. That would be swell. Yeah. You can get Mexican food, like butter chicken. You can try different cultures on these apps,

but not the culture of the community that's been here 10,000 years. Yeah. All right. That's interesting. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Like I said, I've never even heard of it, so. Now I need to try it.

And I think you'll like it and I think you'll thrive at it. It's too bad. I really want you to try this moonshine, the honeycomb one. Oh yeah. I wouldn't even finish this. I know. That's why I wanted you to try it, but, you know. I'm like nursing it today.

What to be fair with baby? That's true. Oh, she's like falling in. There we go. that it's perfect i always wondered like my kid must have hated it in one of these things when i like put her in it and then was like this with my beard just sort of reflecting on that now fourth thing well should we wrap this bad boy up yeah i think so okay it was uh yeah it was awesome i uh i love the uh joker costume it kind of uh yeah you became the character i think we were talking

about how before Heath Ledger became his character a lot, and you became the character a little bit, I think. Yeah. Hopefully. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. How can people subscribe, connect with you on social media? Oh, you can find me on pretty much anything.

YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Black Flagg Leather. Black Flag Leather goods. Yeah, you just search me up anyway. I'm pretty much everywhere. I'm only early active on Instagram and YouTube though. I'm not a big Facebook fan. And Tim Srigley. And yeah, and Tim Srigley on a YouTube and Instagram as well. But it's like, it's low level. I got 37 subscribers on YouTube there. So starting from scratch again. And on Instagram, right? Instagram may have like 200 or so. Yeah, it's starting the whole thing over again. I don't know what I'm doing yet. But we'll figure it out.

It's been a blast. I always enjoy sitting down. I hope everybody enjoyed the Halloween episode. The Halloween episode? Yeah. Yeah. It was really good. Although her glasses are stabbing me.

Well, be safe out there, ladies and gentlemen. Go subscribe to him, Black Flag Leather Goods. It's always a treat to sit down with you and catch up. Thank you for the amazing drink. Go, like, subscribe, comment on the podcast, and support it, please. I'd really appreciate it. Thank you. That's pretty good.

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