NYC NOW - Why New York City Is Restricting Artificial Intelligence in Public Schools

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

New York City is restricting AI across public schools, including a one year ban for students through eighth grade and new limits on screen time for younger students. WNYC and Gothamist education repor...ter Jessica Gould explains why the city reversed its earlier approach, where AI will still be allowed for high school students and teachers, and the challenges schools face enforcing the rules once students leave the classroom. The episode also hears from New Yorkers about whether the city is getting the balance right.Got any questions, comments or story ideas? Send us a message at NYCNow@WNYC.org.Photo: Ed Reed/Mayoral Photography OfficeNotes:NYC public schools to ban AI for teaching students below 9th grade Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:03 From WNYC, this is NYC Now. I'm Jene Pierre. Hope you're enjoying this Labor Day. It's the last break before students return to New York City public schools. Want to know who won't be returning to school this year? AI, at least for some students. Let's jump into it. New York City is overhauling how artificial intelligence can be used in public schools this year.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Students from 2K to 8th grade will be barred from using AI. That means no AI. for instruction or tutoring. The ban will last one year. For high school students, they'll have limited access to the technology. The city is also limiting screen time for younger students and disabling AI features in dozens of programs that schools had previously been allowed to use. Mayor Zoramam Dani announced the policy at a press conference just one week before the start of school. He pushed back on the idea that schools should embrace AI simply because the technology is so powerful.
Starting point is 00:01:02 The tech industry wants us to believe that AI in early education is not only inevitable, but that it is necessary. We do not see it that way. The policy marks a change from the guidance the city released back in March when officials still allowed some student use of AI but with caution. A large number of parents rejected that guidance and pressured the city for an outright moratorium on AI in schools. Parents also called for limits on screen time. At that same press conference, schools' chance. Kamar Samuels explained why the city wants younger students doing more work themselves. They learn best when they are wrestling with hard problems, when they're getting it wrong,
Starting point is 00:01:43 when they're trying again, and finally getting it right. That struggle isn't a flaw in the system. It is learning. The AI moratorium in the nation's largest school system reflects a growing on ease throughout the country with how the technology could disrupt society. So how did the city get from its earlier approach to this one? Where will AI still be allowed? And are there loopholes? WNYC and Gothamist reporter, Jessica Gould, has been reporting on the changes. Jessica, welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Thank you. We talked back in March about this same topic. And school's chancellor Kamar Samuels announced back then that he would allow some student use of AI. I'm wondering what changed between March and March. now? Yeah. This new policy that was released in March came after years of deliberation with working groups and task forces that the city convened to think about what is the right AI use for schools and students. And they released this traffic light policy that said some uses were red, prohibited, some were green, meaning go largely on the teacher side. But for the category,
Starting point is 00:02:57 the broad and controversial category of student use of AI, that was considered. a yellow light, meaning that educators should use careful discretion about when and where students can use AI in their assignments in the classroom. And this traffic light approach immediately spurred a major backlash, especially among parents, who criticized it as vague, and thousands of parents petitioned for a moratorium saying that there shouldn't be any AI use in schools for at least two years. They cited the negative impacts on kids' brain development and learning, concerns about data privacy, and also the tremendous impact that AI has on environmental resources and concerns about climate change. They also pushed for limits on screen time.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Then before summer break, Chancellor Samuel said he had heard parents' concerns and that officials were reconsidering the policy. He also told principals to pause all software. purchases until the city released revised rules. So that brings us to the most recent announcement last week. Okay. So tell us more about how the city justified this ban. Sure. So the ban is for all AI from 2K, as you said, up through eighth grade. And they said that it's really important that students learn how to do what they call the productive struggle of figuring out answers to questions and learning on their own. Here's what Chancellor Samuel said
Starting point is 00:04:29 when he was on All Things Considered for WNYC last week. Oftentimes they might, let's say, take the cognitive load off. They might give students an answer to a question when they ask. They might do various things, but we're going to be really looking closely at that. And those are the kinds of things that we're concerned about, right? Where our students are not doing the kind of thinking that they need to do. And so we want to make sure we're very very.
Starting point is 00:04:55 heading tools. Cognitive load off. What does he mean there? I think that refers to the shortcuts where AI solves your math problems or writes your essays, does all your research. Educators talk a lot about how important it is to have the discomfort of pushing yourself to learn something new. That is how you learn.
Starting point is 00:05:15 And also, you have to become comfortable with that discomfort. And I think that a lot of our technology kind of takes away the need for getting accustomed to that feeling. You know, Jessica, one thing I hear in conversations often is that AI is making people dumber. And it seems like the school's chancellor is kind of nodding to that and trying to keep students away from that. Well, I think that, you know, the city sees that there could be positive impacts, particularly for older students. But one thing that Mayor Mamdani said in this week's press conference was that he has yet to see a study that proves any positive. results from using AI for young kids, except for those that are published by the technology industry.
Starting point is 00:06:04 You mentioned that the city is putting new limits on screen time for younger students. What will those limits look like? Yeah, this is a limit on one-to-one individual devices. So that's individual laptops or tablets. You know, after the pandemic, it became a priority that every student have a laptop or tablet to bring home in case they need to. to use it for remote learning. Under this policy, most students from preschool through second grade won't be permitted to use these individual devices in classrooms. And this comes as parents have said that even the littlest kids spend too much time on these devices as part of the curriculum. There's also new limits on laptop and device use for students in third through eighth grade.
Starting point is 00:06:48 They're putting a time limit per day, which didn't exist before. But there are exceptions for if you're a student with disabilities and you need assistive technology, like if you're dyslexic and you need something that's going to read the text to you or that you can speak into and it takes your notes down. There's also exceptions for students learning English who need help with translation. And there are exceptions for assessments that are going to be given periodically as part of the regular course of school. So let's switch now to talk about high school students because they're being treated differently under this policy. They can actually use. use AI, but with some limitations. Can you talk about that? Yeah, what Mayor Mom Donnie said here was that
Starting point is 00:07:30 older students need to have some exposure to AI and be given critical skills about how to deal with it. So they're going to be rolling out these artificial intelligence literacy courses throughout high schools to teach kids about AI, the dangers and the potential. There's also going to be a limited number of pilot programs that schools can opt into where they use a particular vetted AI program for a limited amount of time per week. And then also, AI can be used for coding and robotics or for career and technical education. The city is not placing any official screen time limits on high schools at this point. I want to talk about teachers. Have you talked to any teachers about this new policy? I mean, can they still use AI? They can. They can use AI for lesson and organization maybe for some general communication with families and for translation.
Starting point is 00:08:31 They can't use it for grading. They can't use it for behavior and discipline. And they can't use it for decisions about student graduation or promotion. I talked to some teachers who were concerned that some very useful things that they had been able to do with AI before. in terms of, you know, kind of creative projects in the classroom that they might not be able to do anymore because of this. But most educators so far have said they think this is a step in the right direction. Yeah, it's interesting that you bring that up. I have a friend who's a teacher and they talk about how, you know, all of the administrative stuff that you don't really think about or consider when you pursue a career as a teacher.
Starting point is 00:09:17 But AI usually helps with that. Right. There are questions about data privacy of students and anything that teachers do has to go through the vetting process of whether it meets the privacy standards for the city. But yeah, teachers are overworked and there are arguments among some teachers that if you can free up some of the time that they spend on lesson planning and creating materials, that they can spend more time working individually with students, which is what's most important. So teachers got to walk the walk as well. Yeah. Now, the teachers union has raised concerns about whether rolling out this policy within a week before school starts without clear plans for who's in charge of enforcing it is going to put a lot of the onus on teachers at the last minute. And they're concerned about that. Okay. So I understand that you spoke with an education advisor to the mayor. What did they say?
Starting point is 00:10:14 We education reporters talk to some of the officials in charge of actually executing this program. after the mayor and chancellor's remarks. We wanted to know if city officials feel like they have a real grasp on how many AI tools are actually being used in schools right now. And what they say is that they know of about 40 programs in use with AI that they plan to pull, but there might be more. And they're going to be looking to see what those are as the year goes on. So Aelish Brady, a senior education advisor to the mayor, said the education
Starting point is 00:10:50 Department will be working with vendors to turn off all AI features or cancel the products. AI products, including those embedded in Tier 1 curriculum, where the AI can be turned off, will be turned off, so that it includes Amira and in the HMH products you mentioned. If a product cannot have the AI turned off, then that will be taken off the border entirely in our schools. We've been talking with WNYC and Gothamist Education reporter Jessica Gould about New York City's new restrictions on AI in public schools, including a one-year ban for students through eighth grade. But those restrictions only go so far. After the break, what happens when
Starting point is 00:11:32 students can still use AI at home and how the city will decide whether this new approach is actually working? Stay close. This is NYC Now. I'm Jenae Pierre. We're talking with WNYC and Gothamist reporter Jessica Gould about New York City's new restrictions on on AI in public schools. So Jessica, you've done a lot of reporting on how AI has already transformed assignments. And you reported that homework has changed a lot because of AI.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Writing assignments have changed because of AI. I mean, kids are going to be kids, right? The city can restrict AI, but students can still use it when they get home, right? Right. This moratorium is about what happens in school. Teachers, principals, the chancellor, and Mayor Mom Donnie can't control.
Starting point is 00:12:28 what kids do once they leave a school building. In recent years, teachers have been transforming their assignments and their lesson plans so that a lot, if not all of the writing, happens in class to prevent AI use and cheating. So we've gone back to Blue Books and writing by pen and paper and pencil. But in terms of take-home assignments, it's a huge challenge. And I've talked to teachers who use AI detection software, but they say that it's hard to prove beyond a doubt that AI was actually used, even if the software flags a paragraph or a whole essay. I recently heard about teachers embedding little clues in their assignments, like in white font, that the kids can't see, but then is picked up if you copy, paste, and they try to catch it that way.
Starting point is 00:13:20 But even then, if they can definitively prove that AI was used, there aren't clear punishments outlined for, infractions. And Chancellor Samuels acknowledged that, and he said they're working on it. I think this, just like the phone band, really opened up strong conversations between schools and home and schools and community about how to collectively approach our young people. You know, all of schooling requires really strong partnership with parents and really strong engagement. And this, this I know will continue to fuel that conversation. Secondly, I think it's going to be important that we continue to work with schools and work with teachers and on professional learning with regards to detection devices and detection mechanisms and so on.
Starting point is 00:14:15 What I took away from those comments is that there's no silver bullet for this. They don't have a solution yet. You know, Jessica, it has me. thinking about money here. You know, when it comes to these detection mechanisms and this technology, I mean, this is just something else that city schools will have to pay for, right? That's true, although perhaps there's going to be some money saved by canceling some of these AI contracts. Okay. You know, there's another question of whether these restrictions actually accomplish what the city wants them to, right? And that is, how will the city determine whether this policy is working?
Starting point is 00:14:52 Well, officials say they're going to be seeking comment from educators, students, and families about the policy. That's the reason for this one-year moratorium. And they're going to create yet another task force to study how things are going. Although we've seen that in recent years, these task forces can't keep up with how quickly the technology is changing. And we've seen this, you know, at all levels of society and governance that artificial intelligence is growing. at an incredible pace with minimal regulation. You talked about what you heard from teachers about this new policy, but have you heard any reactions from parents?
Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah. Some parents who have been fighting hard for an AI moratorium called the policy a productive step, but they say there are too many exceptions, and they want to see the AI ban extend to all grades, not just through middle school and for at least two years. Generally, I've heard support from parents and teachers, though there are also plenty of educators and families who say that these tools can be helpful and that school is exactly where you should learn how to use tools like this responsibly. That's WNYC and Gothamist Education reporter Jessica Gould. Thanks a lot, Jess. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:16:13 After our conversation, we took a trip to Fort Green Park to hear what people there thought about the city's new restrictions on AI in public schools. There we met Brooklyn parent, Elybia. She has a 10-month-old, and she told us she already thinks of AI a lot like screen time. The longer that we can keep kids away from it, knowing that it is inevitable, I think the better that they can build their intellectual and social skills. So not a bad idea. We try not to have it with our 10-month-old, but I know at some point, just being out in the world, it will happen.
Starting point is 00:16:49 And I don't know if there's a right age. I mean, we're addicted as adults. So maybe we're still too young for a screen time. We also met Samir Santee. He works in higher education and was with his partner and their one-year-old. He told us he's worried about what AI could do to our ability to think. I'm quite concerned about it. We're very, very worried about the way AI is degrading our species' ability to think.
Starting point is 00:17:15 What do you think about the Mangani administration's new policy that teachers aren't allowed to use AI to instruct students under ninth grade? I was very excited to see it. I think it's an important step. in the right direction towards ensuring that our kids actually get an education from trained human beings for the foreseeable future. Elisa Fortunato was with her husband and their two children, Andrea and Nicola. They're 10 and 13 years old. She told us AI can be useful, but students should learn and create
Starting point is 00:17:50 with their own minds first. It could be useful to learn how to use it as a tool. but you have to be older. Also, I think that even older students, first studying, learning, creating with their minds, then they can learn how to use it. It's a tool, so I agree. I don't think it could be useful for teaching students.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I ask the artificial intelligence to translate me something. I am not learning. I am losing an opportunity. So, of course, it depends. Finally, Keith Medkhev told us he already sees smartphones and Google changing how much people have to remember for themselves. For him, AI adds another layer to that.
Starting point is 00:18:44 It's just like phones. Like, you know, I used to know 10, 15 phone numbers. Now, I don't even know my own number, you know, because you just press the button. And that's it. So I think that takes away from people. just thinking and, you know, using their own, you know, using their own head. What do you think about the city's new restrictions on AI in public schools?
Starting point is 00:19:04 We want to hear from you. Send us a message at NYC now at WNYC.org. We might use your comments in a future episode. Thanks for listening to NYC now from WNYC. I'm Jenae Pierre. Enjoy the holiday. See you next time.

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