NZXT PODCAST - #031 - Shin

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

This week on the podcast, Denis and Ivan are joined by NZXT’S Industrial Design Director: Shin Feng! Shin and the crew discuss the NZXT H1 Mini-ITX case, bento lunch boxes, and using beanies for elbow support. Listen live to the NZXT CLUB CAST on our Discord server at discord.gg/nzxt every Thursday at 10AM PT. Thanks to ItsDaMuneeROW#9485 for the artwork!

Welcome to episode 31 of the NZXT Club cast, the official podcast of the NZXT community. This podcast is recorded live every Thursday at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time with the official NXT Discord server and is available to stream wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. My name is Dennis. And with me as always is Ivan. How do you do? How's it going? It's going good, man. Happy Friday, Jr.

Happy Friday, Jr. Happy H1 plus two. Release day. Super excited about the H-1. Are you? Yeah, very excited. Been waiting a long time to launch this case. To talk about it.

Yeah, talking about it. It's really exciting to see people also excited about it. And we're also excited to have one of the main people responsible for that case on the podcast today. He is. short on time though he's too important for our podcast basically yeah so we asked him to be in the podcast and he said I'll do it but only if I can do it from 1030 to 1130

so he's going to be here from 1030 to 1130 but while we wait for him we do have an announcement we want to make special exception reggae horn please what's the what's the I thought we were going to tell people afterwards I don't know what I don't know it's not on my outline okay well you just told me this morning as I was driving in the work. So why don't we save it till the very, very end?

Okay. So people know what they actually got. So we are running a giveaway live on the podcast. So as always, we do record this podcast live through, not through, but on our Discord server. So if you guys want to interact, ask questions, go ahead and ask questions in the chat. And we'll answer them near the end of the podcast. And this week, we have a special cool thing going on.

We're giving something away. We won't tell you what it is yet. but we're giving it away and you've got to be in the podcast channel at the very end to redeem it so if you join and then you leave too bad so sad you can get it if your mom tells you you gotta go to bed

she wants you off your phone and off a discord then you ain't getting it just do what I do and just you know stay on and then just take your headphones off and do whatever you got to do and come back in an hour walk away from the games yeah exactly it's only for us to really know just uh yeah listening to something else, but I guess stay connected.

Yeah, so hashtag ad time. Just talk about the H1, since, you know, that's like the big thing and people have been asking about it. Why don't we just answer some questions about the H1 as well while talking about it? Since people are going to be, you know, having a lot of questions about it to begin with. But what is the H1, Ivan? So, the H1 is our new mini-itX case. It includes power supply, an all-in-one liquid cooler. No way.

and a riser card. What? Yeah. For how much? For $350. That's crazy. And, um... Well, that's a lot of money.

$350, Ivan. Yeah, it's a lot of money. I don't know, man. What's, what's the, what's the reasoning behind that? Why is it so expensive? I don't... Well, it's so expensive just basically because for all the reasons I listed, you know? It includes a lot of stuff.

Yeah. So I guess, you know, if you factor in what's included, the cases are really that expensive. But the reason why we included all that stuff is so we can actually make it a lot simpler for people to build in a compact case like that. The case is tiny, you know, since everyone's comparing it to it already, I'll just throw it out there. But yeah, everyone's comparing it to that new Xbox looking thing. So only three inches taller, by the way. Yeah, but it's not like we didn't rip off the design or anything. We've been working on this a lot longer.

Yeah, for a long time. We even showed it at CompuTech before Microsoft showed off their. That's right. So if you want to compare, compare it the other way around, they copied us. Like, oh, snap, that looks sick. Yeah, maybe just great minds think alike. Are you saying that the Xbox designers are great minds? No, I'm saying that my dad owns Microsoft.

Oh, snap. Yeah. Yeah, but it's a beautiful, small vertical case. And what's cool about it is you can put a full-size GPU in it. And because everything is integrated, you know, the power supply, all in one liquid cooler and also the cables come pre-routed. No way. You can really streamline the entire building experience.

And if you guys go on our Instagram stories, Dennis actually recorded a video of a builder yesterday assembling computer in it and he built it like in 20 minutes. Yeah, it was a 25 minute video and like the last five minutes for me just spinning around it checking out how cool it looked with everything inside of it. And the other thing too that I like about this is that, you know, one of people's. like biggest complaints all the time whenever we release anything is, uh, why did this stuff have no airflow? So this case has a bunch of holes in it and it actually has a dual chamber exhaust layout.

And what that means is like, there's specific cooling that goes on the CPU and GPU. Right. With a dedicated air source. So you're going to have pretty good airflow on it. Is it the best airflow in the world? I don't freaking know. I don't freaking care.

I just, I just know that there's airflow in there and it works good. I know is that you can stick like a 9900k in it or like a crazy fat rising. I don't know what the numbers are because risin's numbers are weird. And like a 2080 Founders Edition or 2080 Super like the build yesterday. And it'll work and it's cool and it's fast. And I don't know. Like what else you want? And if you're if you're using the case for what it's supposed to be used for,

which is playing video games, you're going to be fine. You have nothing to worry about. Yeah. Like I saw a review where someone was like, yeah, I feel like really throttle the thing. It gets warm. I'm like, well, duh. And then I forget where it was. It was either like on Reddit.

It's always Reddit. Someone's like, well, you know, if you made it like five inches taller, or you can fit like another 140 mil fan of there. I'm like, well, yeah. I could get a good look. It's called the 210, dude. I can get a good look at a T-bone steak by sticking my head up a pool's butt. But I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

That's not how that works. The T-bone steak isn't inside the butt. I don't know. bad someone someone uh find out where the T-bone comes from is it from the butt meat i'm pretty sure it's not the butt meat the butt meat the butt meat is the best meat someone clip that clip that chat clip that yeah but yeah i mean obviously we can always do a million different things people like on reddit man especially red it i don't know what it is about red it but it's like no matter what we do like people just criticize it like um this guy was like this is a horrible design because it has tempered glass

okay or this is a stupid design there's no there's no there's no there's no holes on the top or you guys should put the io here it's like okay yeah we could and maybe we should do a bunch of different things but at the day we could only pick one design you know like we can't do everything um imagine you have every design ever it looks like that homer simpson car from with the weird like bubbles and stuff like that uh no but i mean you know it's like we say with everything right like we we design our products in a very specific way for the majority of gamers' needs, right? If you're looking for very specific things,

you can look at specific manufacturers who make specific things that are specifically for you. No, just get an Xbox. Yeah, there you go. Just by the new X-bone. All right, let's get some questions here. I'm going to save the good ones for Shin. Let's say on that one.

This is a random one, but still want to ask it. Alan wants to know is Yoshi a horse? Yoshi is a No, Yoshi is a breed on its own separate from a horse. It looks like a horse but, you know, kind of like a giraffe looks like a horse.

Yoshi looks like a horse, but it's not a horse. You sure about that? Positive. Okay. What mics are you using? Using AT 2020s. Inspiration. How well do you think the H1 will do? We have already sold a lot of them,

actually. I'm not going to say like a surprising amount but it's one of those things where like you bring out something new like in any ITX case that like not a lot of manufacturers are doing I mean it seems like it's a trend now right but you never know until you release something right

and like every day on your Slack channel we're like oh we sold this many we sold this many oh god we're breaking records and all kinds of stuff so it seems to be really popular just looking at the reviews about it everyone seems to really love it like I love it I kind of want to buy one and I just built like a brand new

you like a 97,000, 2070 super build in my 510 elite. And I'm like, I don't want to spend the money on this thing. But I really want it because it's so cool. I just got one for free. I get all my PCs for free. I really did. I got one yesterday for free and I put it in the truck of my car. And I have so many free PCs that actually just forgot about it.

Oh, yeah. You just listen to my wife this morning. She goes, do I take that box out of the car? And I said, oh, yeah, I have a free PC back there. Yeah, on my desk, I have a lot of leg room. So I put my free PCs on the floor where I put my feet so I can, you know, like, relax and recline when I'm playing video games. That little wall behind your desk is filthy, by the way. Yeah, I know.

It's funny. I told Johnny that during our one-on-one meeting. And he was like, he was like, no, man, that it's character. Like, that's you right there. Like my shoe marks on the white wall. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see.

any of the questions people got here. I'm needed a PLC building. What goes into knowing what parts are compatible? Good. I don't know what goes into what parts. Very easy. Go to PC part picker and they'll tell you. There's only a computer.

A computer only has 10 parts. So if you put your hands in front of you and just follow along with me, you have a case. Uh-huh. Right. You have a motherboard. Okay. That's two.

You have a CPU. That's three. You have a CPU cooler. It's four. You have RAM. That's five. You have a graphics card. Six.

You have a SSD, right? Or hard drive. Storage, right? Storage. You have fans. Uh-huh. You have a power supply. Uh-huh.

And then the 10th one is kind of optional, but you have, you can put, you know, accessories. So if you want to put, let's say, RGB in there, or you want to put a, uh, a, cooler on your GPU, et cetera. So those basically those 10 parts. And then the easiest and best way to make sure all this stuff is compatible is by there's, I would recommend two different methods. So actually three different methods.

The first method I would recommend is going to PCpartpicker.com. Hey, shout out. But that's only if you know which parts you want, right? Like if you say like, oh, I know I want this CPU, this graphics card, this case, whatever, go there. Cause then you basically, basically just plug in the parts and then PC Part Pickers are going to tell you, okay, all this is compatible or this is not compatible, you should change this, whatever.

Right. If you don't know what you want, I recommend you just go to our website, let's build.com, right, BLD. And you just basically just tell us what games you want and then we'll spit out the different parts that are, they're compatible, but we also tell you like what FPS you get for those games. Right. And I'm not necessarily saying you should buy from us, but you can at the very least see which parts are compatible and what you can expect to get FPS wise. Right, right.

You can just use that list yourself and just buy the parts separately. Yeah, we've had people do that before. Yeah. And it is always cheaper to build it yourself because then you can shop around for deals. It might take longer, though, for sure. Well, yeah, it might take longer, but if you're lazy like me, just pay us $100 and we'll do it for you. I'm incredibly lazy. And then the third way.

There is a third way, is joining the NZXT Discord server. Oh, really? Yeah, because we do have some channels specifically for that stuff. If you go like in the hardware channel or the support channel, even the random channel. People will help you. And just tag the moderators and ask them what you should do for a build. Yeah.

So actually, that's a really good point. For those you who are new here, welcome to the NZXT Discord, the NXT Club, as we like to call it. We have rewards and friendly faces and all kinds of cool channels to hang out. I always say it's different from other Discord servers because one, we're actual community. Two, we have very explicit spelled out rules and we actually enforce those rules. So row one, don't break the rules. There's only one person in the server that can do whatever they want.

Who's that? Cuddle. Cuddle. Well, except for talking in the... That's what you can't do right now. That's why I say everyone is cuddled because everyone can just do whatever they want. You don't have to do anything you want. Just we recommend you do certain things.

By the way, Ivan, I want to give you a shout out because you were able to count the 10. So congrats. Hey, I did it. Good job, Ivan. We're all very proud of you. Thank you. Couldn't intend it's not easy. But you did it.

You did it. You made it happen. All right, down, down, down, down, down, down. Let's see. What other questions do we have here? We should probably save some questions for Shin. He actually just messaged me, breaking news. Oh.

He said, I told him, just come into the podcast room whenever you're ready. And he replied, okay, cool, smiley face. Dang. Yeah, I'm definitely saving the good questions for Shin. I'm asking all the Papua questions right now. Okay. How long have worked at NZXT? Maybe we say that for Shen.

Well, we'll get there with him. Fun fact, Shin is actually NZXT's very first employee. besides Johnny I guess but yeah first guy Johnny ever hired yeah I don't say does does Johnny really count as like an employee or like as the first employee

if he created the company he does because Johnny in my opinion was even the first community manager that's what you say because when he released his very first case the insert that came with it he did everything you know he even designed

the you know the everything the packaging the insert whatever and the very first thing on the insert, what it said was join the NZT community. And it was a link to a forum. So that's why I consider him the very first community manager. Right, right. Yeah.

Right. I had a question here actually from Alan. What's a game you love that you want more people to experience? I would say Star Wars Pinball. Ugh. Or Tetris 99. I'm pretty sure a lot of people play Tresors Tetrus'etra's 99

It's free to play now Kind of Yeah But yeah Star Wars don't sleep on Star Wars pinball y'all It's a pinball game I don't know what they would do different From other pinball games

Well it's just Star Wars That's why I don't know It's a fun game man If you like Star Wars and you like pinball Just check out Star Wars pinball It's a cheap game too I think It's like 20 bucks or something

I was expecting something different But mine Game that I love that want more people to experience Is natural selection I don't know if anyone's ever played it before. But natural selection is an asymmetrical versus team game where you have aliens versus Marines, and it's almost like an RTS as well.

So it's a combination of like StarCraft and like a little bit of like Counterstrike, right, where you have two teams going for different objectives or the same objective, which is to take over the map. And like the Marines will build like turrets, and they build like armories and, you know, like defensive. and the aliens like they use their resources in different ways like they'll like evolve the different forms too much work and they like blow stuff up just play star wars pinball don't play star

war's pinball easier go to an arcade and play star wars pinball play real starboard iRL actually did the other day they ate my quarter did you really yeah didn't work didn't work which ones you go to uh it wasn't an arcade actually it was a pizza place um and i put in a quarter and it just ate it and I was like, great, you know, no more pinball. Did you tell the guy's the friendly, hey, like this thing ate my quarter? No, but I started smacking the machine, and then the guy behind the counter was looking at me, so I just stopped and went back to eating my pizza. What kind of pizza did you get?

Always pepperoni, not by choice. Really? My wife refuses to eat my favorite, which, yes, it is Hawaiian pizza. That is my favorite. Just pepperoni? That's my wife's favorite, so whenever we get pizza, we have to get pepperoni. Pepperoni is fine. Like, it's not bad.

It's a really good standard right. Just grab, you know, just I want pizza. It's there. But I feel like if you're going to go somewhere, like as often as you guys go to grab pizza. Trust me, man. You're preaching to the choir. I tell my wife this every Friday or pizza night. Can we please get something else besides pepperoni?

And then she tells me no. And I say, you're right, dear. We can't. How dare we eat something besides pepperoni? Let's get pepperoni. It's just like, if you're good. Okay. So for those who don't know, Ivan does the pizza night, right?

Every Friday night. Yeah, every Friday night. him and his family, they do pizza night. So if you're going to have pizza, every single week guaranteed, why not try out different types of pizza? Like, it makes zero sense to me. I tell that to my wife every Friday. And every Friday, I eat pepperoni pizza.

Oh, God. Also, shout out to the moderators for keeping track on everything in the chat. Thanks, guys, for being cool. Love you. Well, they're not that cool, but, yeah. That's pretty cool. do nzxt will build a PC for professional user like Photoshop music producer or Cinematics yes we have a creator PC if you go to our website

you can need there's two ways to get there go to nzxti.com right and then just go in the menu and you just click gaming PCs or PCs I think they just changed it actually and then or you go to let's build.com L-E-T-S-B-L-D dot com and look up the creator PC and that PC and even the actually the new H1 mini PC we have yeah they're both really good for creators super beefy yeah yeah yeah the creator PC it's um not like the most popular popular popular build but like I'll see a lot of people who like streaming stuff they'll they'll they'll talk about it um and it's basically just like a super stack computer with a bunch of stuff in it that's more geared towards like creators so example like has an I-9 the 280TI 264 gigs of rent

right so like if you're playing video games you don't need an I-9 right you don't really even really need like an I-7 like I-5 yeah I game on an I-5 and like no problem if I fives are great you could get like a 2060 maybe 2070 and you'll be like pretty good to go like for most games that beat them the high settings and 64 gigabytes ram is overkill for games like no game takes that much memory right yeah chrome might right chrome might but you're the only person I know that has problems with Chrome I'm not doing any person that I know it is I don't know it is it is it is it is it is It is a legitimate concern and meme everywhere.

Check out PCMR. Check out, you know, check out Twitter. Sorry, but consistently complain. The only memes. About the RAM usage of Chrome. The only memes I look at the ones I make. It's not a meme until I do it. I don't look at other people's memes, just my own.

No. Risen exists, you know? That's cool, but we don't use Risen in that one. If you want a Risen building, you can build your own Risenbuild. Monster. It's pretty easy. I mean, Intel's still really good, you know, just because AMD finally came out with, like, good chips that people actually want.

It doesn't mean that all of a sudden, like, the other chips aren't good. So come fight me on that in the general chat after the podcast. Like I always say computer hardware is like pizza toppings. They're all good. Just over what you want, eat your slice. Computer top. Make your wife happy. Computer parts are just like pizza toppings.

You only get pepperoni. See, pepperoni is the the risin of pizza toppings. That's what I had my wife. Actually, I was going to say is Intel the pepperoni and his rising. Intel I would say it's just the cheese. Just the cheese pizza. A regular cheese pizza. What would be like a mushroom and like olive pizza?

That would be. That would be like one of those. Like Linux or something Right One of those like really gross Like I think it's called the Pizza Rev or something

It's like It's basically It's like a subway for pizzas You know what I'm talking about? Those places Those places suck man They're right Nah

Those are like the worst pizza places There's one around here It's called the Piology Oh yeah That's what I'm thinking about No that place sucks Parology's good No it's not

Get out of here man What's my mod pizza Mod pizza is not good Mod pizza's all right Any pizza that's like a subway It's not good Why? It's the same thing. You get like at most places. It's not the same. How's not the same? Because I'm a pizza connoisseur. I eat pizza. Apparently not. I should know.

You only eat pepperoni pizza. So if that's like your only, your only like metric, I don't fucking trust you, dude. It's good pepperoni pizza. Trust me. From where? From world's best pizza. See, that's why I know. That's why I know it's the best pizza. Actually, funny story. This place is called what's best. This place World's Best pizza is right by my house. And I've been going there. Docking yourself, dude. Since I moved to my house. which like five years ago right and then I'd be going there for years a couple years already and then one day I walk in there with my nzxte hoodie and then there's three guys working behind

there and they all kept staring at me and they go hey man where'd you get that hoodie and I said oh I worked there and they're like whoa what we all have nzxte cases that's so cool so now every time I go I I usually give them like stickers or something lanyard or shirt I've given them shirts so you use and stuff So I don't know, maybe, I wonder if they're even in the Discord server. If they are, they haven't told me. But if they're listening, hello, thank you for making my pepperoni pizza every Friday. I should check out this place. It's good, man.

It's the best pizza around here. I wish I had a friend to go out and grab pizza with me today. Are we grabbing lunch or shit? Do we know? Um, because he was going to like alluding to the fact that he wanted us to bring him a... It was a part of the deal. But we do have our creative community meeting at two. The ones at the end really early then.

and just make sure you get that handled. We'll see. Yeah, we should treat shin because why not? It's shin. All right. Mac wants to know, Dennis and Ivan will you go out and get pizza with me when I come visit? No, we'll get cream barbecue with you.

I don't think he's had it before. And then I won't go. What do you think of the new GPUs from Intel? I personally don't like it from Dimitri. I haven't seen them. I don't really pay attention to them either. How do you know you don't like it? I just say, said I haven't seen them either, so I don't know.

You just said you don't like it. I don't like the idea of someone else coming into the market. I want AMD to beef up. No. Like also, I don't know why I would want an Intel GPU. Why not? GPUs are to have enough issues to begin with. I just, I like my pepperoni and video cards.

Just nice and easy, you know, that makes you log in with Google. I'm not to say, I want everyone to make graphics cards. I like choices Well we do You have like a million manufacturers Who make cards MSI and Gigabod

More more And I don't know But like all those Those are not manufacturers Those are There's literally Nvidia and AMD And I guess Intel

Talk about Intel GPU But everyone else Just puts like their own Fan On the graphics card And then they call it like Their graphics card So you're saying that we should make

A graphics card We technically do Yeah which one Cracking G12 It's not really No Brad wants to know As an Intel fan

Do you think Intel will blow us away With their 10th gen CPUs? I hope I feel like I hope they do I feel like GPUs and CPUs This is just my opinion

Right Like There's really been no reason For me to upgrade Like in five years I'm still gaming on a I5-460 CPU

And a GTX 960 GPU with no problems whatsoever. Games like even like Red Dead Redemption run fine on my computer. And I have no reason to upgrade. So I don't know. Like for me to upgrade, it's going to take a lot because it works fine for me. I don't know. I feel like the technology's kind of stalled a bit when it comes to that stuff.

That's just me though. I don't care about having like the fastest or newest or whatever. Yeah. I think now like the real innovations coming from like other technology. technologies like games already look super good I think it's more about like efficiency now and maybe bring costs down and make it so they don't use like a million watt power supply or something just make everything free that's what I want true uh when will the H1 be available outside of the US soon TM probably well I would say maybe a few weeks to a month it depends because like right now

I mean same with everybody we're having you know shipping delays because of the coronavirus and yeah I think it's going to be longer like it's giving me I think more like two months because I went on Amazon yesterday and it says expected to ship like in two months or something. Actually, I checked after that and it said don't know when available. Okay. Yeah, because we just don't know. I mean, it just really depends on the shipping. And I think it's not so much the shipping.

It's, I think, like a lot of factories are kind of like backed up because I had to shut down. Yeah, so. So for those who kind of want like a little bit more insight, the way it kind of works is a factory, say they're open today, right? and they're at 100% efficiency, right, or whatever. They're working and they're pumping out X number of things per day, right? And then say they had to shut down, they have to ramp up production again to keep up at the same pace. And the same happens with like the manufacturers or like the parts, you know.

So like, for example, if they're making graphics cards, right, they got to get the fans from somewhere. They got to get, you know, the PCBs from somewhere. So it's one of those things that was like it's not just they turn, you know, like a switch back on and then we start pumping out like, you know, H1's like that same day. There's literally like a ramp up process that kind of goes up and goes down. And I think like the way they're doing it in China is like if like one person is sick in that factory,

they shut that whole factory down. And then they get a ramp ramp up back up again. So it's going to be a little bit. It's delaying a lot of stuff, not just for us for everybody. Like I know like it's even affecting things like like PACs and stuff like that where like companies have like started pulling out from from PACs because they're worried about and stuff like that. But we have a special guest joining us today. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. You're very welcome. Ivan. Thanks for joining us. I know you have a very busy schedule. Yeah, just just just put them on. We have the one and only shin who is our industrial designer pro. What's your official title,

shin? I'm the director of industrial design at 16. He's the head head. Ed's Shin in charge. That's Shin. Yeah, welcome, Shin. Thank you very much for being here, man. That's the audience clapping for you. That's literally them. They're all open or alive in the voice chat.

Thank you. Shin is probably the person that's been most excited to have on here. Rip every previous guest. Because Shin, like I mentioned earlier in the podcast, he is NST's first and longest lasting employee here. And he's still alive. He's still alive for now.

And he's done, he's worked on pretty much all you guys's favorite products going back to, you know, the phantom days to the H440 to now that, you know, the age one. Anybody remember the whisper, the N59. Yeah. All the ugly. All the ugly cases. Thank you. Only I even gets to say that. The Nemesis elite.

Not ugly, but. I look back and I reflect myself. No. Yeah. Yeah, and then, you know, we wanted to have Shin on here today because like, you know, we launched the H1 and Shin has been working on this, not just him, but him and Gus and the rest of the product team and, et cetera, I have been working on this for a long time. And you want to Shin to come in here so you can answer your guys questions about the case as well as, you know, anything, anything else you guys want to talk about. and also provide some insight and not leak any company secrets right shen um no no if i if i do if i do that then you guys will be gone seriously me too okay so first question when is the uh h one through three seven coming out um maybe in 10 years all right cool awesome so um so what exactly

like do you do what does the industrial design director at nzxte do um so just Real quick, I pretty much, you know, like overseas the department here. And then I kind of make sure our design meets the need and desire of our product requirements. I, you know, I'm kind of like the ambassador for the design language for N6T. So then I get to work on a lot of cool stuff. Yes, you do. You work on all this stuff. Yeah, yeah.

A lot. Pretty sure it's like everything, right? Like, is there anything that like you didn't work on? here well I guess I mean hardware products I've worked on the majority of them yeah probably the only stuff you haven't worked on is just the stuff Johnny did before you got here yeah I don't know why he did Guardian Guardian well the first guard the very first the green one yeah yeah that didn't green guardian yeah I can't imagine yeah I think I have the sword well oh yeah he's got the sword now yeah he stole it from it's a getting for a comic book actually the green

guardian the green guardian the green garden no That's good. I like that. And how long have you been here at NZXT? I, so I started working for Johnny in 2007. Shouldn't share that story. But I mean, you can if you want.

You totally can't if you want. I mean, we're fine. It's just us here. Well, well, so like how long? Well, let's see. So officially, so I started freelancing in 2007. And that was when I was still working on my degree. and I officially came on board in 2009.

So as a first NXT employee, and then total 13 years, officially, 10 years. The last September is my 10th year. You've been here as long as, like, the average age of our Discord server. 13 years, wow. It's a long time. Yeah, it is a long time.

Yeah, it just time just flew by. Yeah, and I haven't been here. as long and but it's always been cool working with you when I first started working here I always sat I always sat next to you yeah I know I know it's it's it's fun and it's just been cool like not only watching you work on all the product stuff but even I know you've been secretly watching well no but even like when you ask me stuff like you always ask me for my opinion and I love that about not just you but nzxte is that you guys actually listen yeah well I mean I listen you know your opinions because

Because, you know, I always get to throw them out of the door. Yeah, no, yeah. You know, it's cool that, like, you don't, not just listen to me, but the community as well, because we'll tell you what the community says and what they want. And then you actually do your best to try to make those things happen. Yep. And the H1, I think, is a good example of that because it has a lot of stuff people been asking for for a long time. Yep.

Especially airflow. Yeah. Yeah. how does it feel the funny like grab like from the from the airflow bucket and just slap it into a case for once I don't know it's a very loaded question all right so what's your what's your day-to-day like here like what do you do as soon as you get in I it really depends I think so it's a I think N60 is a very fast-paced collaborative environment and then but also get to have fun like we have at some CSGO tournaments. But you were working that time.

I was the only one who's working, I guess. I have to finish some stuff. Everyone was gaming and they were like, Shanna, come on play. He's like, have to work. Get it down out there. Yeah. So yeah, my day to day, it's design, research, testing,

meeting, talking, eating, leading my lunchbox. Yeah, nice. Your little bento box. My little bento box, my wife would make for me. So it's great. Yeah. What's your, what's in the lunchbox today? I haven't checked yet.

Oh, something. Mystery box? Well, kind of, but I normally get, there's rice inside for sure. And then vegetables and something. Okay. I don't know. You ever seen his bento box? Yeah, I have.

It's like a really tiny box. It's like, it's like something that only a designer would have. Right? It's like perfectly, perfectly portion. It's a perfectly portion. Star Wars bento box Nice Nice

Get in Japan Got in Japan Here's a really hard one Has your wife ever made A bento that you didn't like I'm allowed to say that Surprise She's here

She's here She's in Come on Oh no Welcome our second guest. All right. Besides the H1, what was the last project you worked on? The last.

So, okay, so the last one I've worked on is the... Would it be what's on your head? Yeah, I mean, there's... I mean, I worked on a lot of, like, project, including the H1. Right. But the, I think with the last, last one that I kind of personally, design is the 510 elite. That would be the one.

What were some of the challenges of designing the 510 elite? It's about the details. I think it's more about details and then finding out how we can make something that is a little bit different than what's out in the market. Right. Because a lot of temper class, like full temper class cases, you have a full side window. Our approach is a little bit different. Instead of like a full windowed side and the front, you get this sort of bottom.

That's to have this gorgeous metal wraparound. I think that kind of differentiates our full-glass approach than others. Others. Wait, there are others? There are. Or there's no others. There you go. He said mothers.

Okay. And then our moms. Yeah, my mom definitely doesn't have a steel surrounding the bottom of her glass side. It would be weird. My mom designed the air headset. Oh, really? That's what I did.

Nice. You're wearing them right now. Yeah, so are you. I am. You look good. Thank you. We're all wearing the air headsets right now. Imagine having the air headset.

Okay. And what is your most favorite, What is your favorite N60 product that we've ever put out? My favorite. That is released. Available for purchase. Yeah, yeah, of course. Again, like, I can't say anything.

That's not. H440, that would be my favorite. Yeah, that would be my favorite. I think that that's the case that, like, put us on the map. It paved the way. Paved the way after the original Phantom. And I think it's a truly remarkable. case I think anyone everybody in the company all the folks here knows the

importance of that case really can you can actually can you go a little bit more into that because that that was actually my first n-s-tick case was H440 oh really yeah I got the the orange and black one from a new egg okay well I think the first thing is how to make like I think we wanted to bring in a steel chassis right and But how to how to do that in a way that is unique and then and that is also beautiful. So what we did was wrap the metal around some kind of like structure, like plastic structure. Yeah, yeah.

The front and top. That's one thing that we did. So when you look at it visually, I mean, most of what you see is just steel. Yeah. And the other thing is, I think a big one is the removal of the 500 quarter bay. So I think that that was a big deal for us because we don't know, like, would that be, you know, like. Do people like it? Do people not like it?

Yeah, exactly. People hated it. Like at first they were like, what the heck? How am I going to install my Windows? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we. There's no disc in here.

Yeah. I mean, if you, I'm pretty sure some of you guys remember the H630. I mean it had a similar design language but it had the five and a quarter bay had two of them it also did that I don't think it had a power supply shroud no he didn't have a power supply shroud it had the five and a quarter bay and sorry to interrupt you if I remember correctly I think the h440 was the very first computer case that didn't have an optical drive bay had a light up logo on the pst u.s.s.s. and also had a window that was that big uh-huh yeah it was like the Three big things, right?

Yeah, yeah. Those are the big things about the H-O-40. There's also a light on the back of the I-O shield. You can push her little button to light up your I-O shield. Yeah. Which I thought was fun, but at the same time, like, I never saw it because my computer was never facing, like, butt-faced to me. So I couldn't really see the I-O anyway.

She didn't edit it that so you can find his car keys. I don't know why I need my car keys. But, yeah. I mean, those are the three. the combination that made this case really important. I think for the market too, I think it was very well received. The only thing I like about the H440 is the H stands for hush, so it was quiet.

Oh, really? Very silent. Yeah, it had the padding on the panel. Yeah, it had the padding on the panel. The funny thing is that if you look at it, when we market at the H630, we actually market it as a silent case, but the H440, we didn't do that. We just thought this is just, you know,

at some mid tower chassis but it does have to sign them yeah phone inside it's very annoying for cable management like it because sliding the the panel on some of the reasons why i bought it was because of the the padding on it and then like a week after i got it like i noticed like all the divvets and all like the kind of cuts into the phone because like i don't have enough room for my thick cables but that's that was a learning experience you look at our cases now the back panel doesn't go on like that right so it's always about improving yeah yeah And then I think the next one favorite case would be the H700. Okay.

That, you know, and after that would be the Manta. Hey, that's my favorite. The Manta, huh? I got to mention that. I know, I know. Let's talk about the Manta because people who don't know, the Manta is like a very special case. It's a special case. I mean, we kind of went outside of our box a little bit.

Literally and figuratively. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you think about a box and not a box. I mean that case you can fit it's an ITX it's that you can fit a two to 280 in the front you can fit a 280 in the top I mean you think about it how many ITX case in push pull do that right push pull so and also a giant massive air cooler yep yeah and then because of the curvature design on the side panel you actually get more space on the cable management for the motherboard great airflow great airflow yeah um yeah

Yeah, it was a very special case. Yeah, I, I love that case. And I'm thinking about swapping into the H-1, but I don't think I'm going to do it. I just love my Manta too much. Also, I'm lazy. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot to you. Like, I have a 510 elite, and I want to go into the H-1, but I have to buy a new motherboard and make sure my RAM will actually clear.

And, yeah, it's, yeah. That's a lot. The MENT is such an interesting looking case. I don't think I've ever seen a case look just like that one. Because it's got so many curves and like it looks like it'll like roll off your desk. You could push it the wrong way. Like what were some of the challenges on that one? Well, actually first, it's actually not going to roll up this.

It's got quite sturdy feet. It is a little heavy because even though it's got this sort of very organic like curvature, streamline design, but it's quite heavy because it's all. steel. So one of the major challenges actually not on design sides, but there's a lot of challenge on the design side, but it's on the manufacturing side. Right. Because they don't, manufacturing don't do this sort of. Shin basically how to how to come up with a machine that bent steel. Right? Curvature. Yeah. How do you bend steel, right? Make it curve and not with jet. It's about like the fit and the finish and then making sure that.

Because once you start punching that shape, it's hard. You have to match it with other parts to make sure that fits perfectly. Right, right. My favorite shin product is the product that we're going to launch when Shin and I retire from NZXT and launch our own company. Shin and I always joke around that when we're like old men, we're going to start a company called Shivon. Our name is combined.

Shivan. And we're going to launch like some weird product. I'm going to hold you to that watch. I'm going to call you when we're like 90 years old. I'm like, hey, man. Oh, man. It's lunch it. It's time.

The world is ready. Yeah. Ready. All right. And last part is, what is your least product we've ever released? Least favorite product. I honestly, I don't have one. I think everything is like a learning experience.

So I really don't have a least. least favorite product. Why is it the century? What? I said, why isn't, and, and, uh, and, and why is it the century? The century? Yeah. Or the cryocooler.

Oh, oh God. There we go. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Actually, I do. Um, yeah.

I, I, I, I, anyway, there's, so, so, so, right. Century is not a bad product. So for those to don't know, what is the cryo cooler? laptop cooler it's a laptop cooler and we have we had we have the v60 v40 and then the v60 i remember vividly three different coolers different sizes they all have slightly different designs for laptops for laptops sliver right under the yeah the i think the x60 was like uh the it's like got this metal top this very thick metal I like a aluminum yeah c andc aluminum on top oh it's

incredibly hard to make but it isn't it's very costly to make um I think that one is the the higher end model and then we have the the the the 40 which you can you know you can adjust your fans inside good rapper too you ever heard that the rapper E40 the rapper really Never heard you 40 before? No, really. We can play it for you now if you want. Yeah, you can. Yeah, go ahead.

Do you want to dance? Oh, God. All right, Shib's getting up, and he's dancing. All right, Shin, get down from the table, Shin. Oh, yeah. Get down. Oh, my God, Shin.

Oh, wow. Dance with me? Shin. Let's go, Shin. Hey. Oh, okay. I didn't know this. All right.

I just didn't know the. It's cool. E-fizzy. I love me to M-40. This is like back in the early 2000 or something. Something like that. It's 2009. Oh, 2009.

Yeah, so actually the song came out right when you joined NXT, right? Yep. Yeah, there you go. It's meant to be. So now you get a bump some M-40 in the car when you drive back home with your bento box. Actually, I probably do have that song collection. All right. Let's talk about the H-1.

So from conception to, I guess, like the end of the design process, how long did that take? I think just if you're looking at just the design alone it took about like five to six months to design to design a case right there there was many challenges to overcome you know because we didn't want to just make another ultra form factor case that is marginally better we wanted to our goal is to make something truly that would truly improve the user experience So, yeah, but this, despite a six months does include engineering time, production time. There's a lot more. When did you first start working on the H1?

Or I guess we. 2018, I think. Has it been two years in the making? I think so, yeah. Yeah. I think that's actually pretty quick because I remember Manta took like five years. Yeah, yeah. The Manta took, well, no, what?

Welcome to the Manta cast, folks. Menta probably like three years, I would say. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, I mean, about, I can just kind of quickly tell you about the H1. I mean, first, you know, like, we kind of have to ask ourselves a question of what is the main problem with today's ultra form factor, right? I mean, so I think the main problem is that they're incredibly hard to build, right? I mean, we think unless you, yeah, unless you have like, you know, like, unless you have a Manta. for the H-200.

I mean, no, unless you are hardcore enthusiasts, we think that the chances are that, like, ultra-sormal factor might scare the average users away. Yeah. The H-1 removes that concern. It removes that hurdle. And is that because of the integrated power supply? It's a combination of those things.

Yes, integration that the components helps a lot. Pre-routed cables? Pre-routed cables. And then, you know, we just made this incredibly. easy to build small farm factor case in this gorgeous exterior design so so that most of what you see is just metal and glass right and I think this is what H1 is all about right it I believe it's going to kind of change the way that we think about ultra small factor yeah all right you can into me I'm going to swap out my mantah for it oh yeah I'm getting rid of my

H510 elite don't don't don't get rid of the mantis too no I'm going to keep it I'm going to keep it in my museum it's actually the it's actually the the the Manta but so the reason why I love Manta too it's actually the first product launch I I worked on when I joined in Dixie was that and that's why I love it so much because we made it like a big old deal and yeah it was awesome and it did well I mean for a I mean the case is 150 right yeah for me ITX you were always not a special place in my Yeah, me too. That's my third favorite.

So I love the Manta. So what was like the most difficult part of the kind of designing the H-1? I think we've, so first we had a very collaborative team working on H-1. We had a very good team working on H-1. Shout out to Gus. Shout out to Gus. He's our main designer for the H-1. Oh, nice.

And then, and Paul is our product manager or the H1 is the case product. And then we also had, you know, Sam, Jesse, who were incredible. There are our engineers. And Paul, real quick, want to give him a shout out to because he's the, he's the man behind other well-known NXT cases like the S340. I believe the H510 too, right? Yeah, H510. Well, the 510 elite. He's a manager, too.

to, you know, for all the, for all the case, right, the caselines. So, so the, so there was a lot of challenges, but the team worked incredibly hard, right? So the, I think the most challenging part is figuring out how to fit everything inside such a small profile as efficiently as possible. Because once we figured out the footprint, that square footprint, if you really look at the, the, the, H1, right? It's actually square. It's just vertical, you know, by square. But once we got that figure out that, which it occupied the least amount of desk space, if you think about it, we moved, we moved on to solving the biggest challenge, which is fitting everything inside to make sure it works. And you're sure it works. Yeah, yeah, not sure it works. Yeah, yeah.

Are we 100%? What was the easiest part of designing the H1? The easiest part. What was like the no-brainer? The power button, maybe? I think, I think. I mean, the button goes here. Well, so here's the thing, right?

We follow a very stringent guideline to keep our products looking consistent. So it's not something. We're going to change for every product. There's a different button design. Hence, you can say that's, it's easier to design, but it's not easy because we have to think about, you know, the size, the placement. Does it work? Does it work for the engineering team? I mean, does it work for, there's components down inside a case?

You can't just place it anywhere. And then, uh, and they, Shinn literally wrote the NZXT design Bible. with Johnny on like what not just cases but what our products should look like how they should look like together and not just products you know that we're working on or have but products that we might want to make one day you know like if if one day we want to make a car what's that going to look like right and um I'm not saying we're going to make a car but you know you know what I mean like shin shins has a very difficult task of not just making our products look nice and beautiful and similar, but simplifying them along the way.

So, you know, sometimes people always, especially on Reddit, you know, people always say, you guys should have done this. This is horrible design. You guys don't know how to design. I'm like, okay, well, if that's true, then you guys should work here. You know, it's like, it's not easy to do what Shin does. It's actually, I, you know, I don't think anyone could do what you do to be honest. You want to switch jobs.

Yeah, I'm down. I can do that. You're just pretty easy. Cool, thank you. We got it. Easy peasy, easy. No, I can never, I don't think I could ever do your job. It can be said for me to you.

You can make a meme. No? It's not only about that. Shinn is the meme. Tennis is the meme. That's true I am. I forget who it was in shot. He just wanted to give a shout out, but I think it was SK 0441 who said,

I love the design language of NXT, so slick. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I think, you know, I think that's one of the, the things that I really like about all our products is they all look like they fit together right yeah yeah like you see the 510 versus like even the air headsets right yes to the H1 like it all looks like it's from the same place yes absolutely I think we when design we have to think holistically right so everything has to look meaningful it has to be functional and you know

nothing shouldn't be a wasteful design right we we don't want to design something that doesn't really make too much sense it's just stylized trying to avoid that as much as possible right and so you only focus on what's important one question that people keep asking us is why do we include the the cooler and the power supply as opposed to as little people choose what they want well why not I think I think a goal here again is is to find a solution and to simplify to build experience that that is our goal and then including both components can greatly help with that right because in it in such a confined space you know you

have to worry about the cables you have to worry about what kind of power supply to get and then the cables that come with it right kind of coolers you're going to fit inside. With the H-1, you don't need to worry about that because it's already there. With the cables already tied up for you. And, you know, the PSU and the water cooler especially is

customly designed for the H-1. So they they're, the profile of it, it's much more tuned up for the H-1. It's just got the right amount of space. Nothing is wasted again. Right.

And, you know, you're getting great performance out of it, too. One question I actually had from the chat, and I think some moved around here, is a RGB aside, what's a difference between, like, our regular Crackens and the X, what, 42, I think is what it called? Top of my head. Did you take up the new X series? Well, the one inside the Cracken. Oh, no, the one inside the H-1, you mean? Sorry, the H-1, yeah, I'm like blanking right now.

So the all-in-one liquid cooler that's inside the H-1 is technically not a Crackin. correction? Yes or dumb. I mean, it isn't, it isn't, right? I think it depends on how you want to answer it. Well, the reason I say it's not a cracking is because we're not selling that individually, like as a crack-in, you know? Like, it's, yes, it looks and performs like a crack-in,

but we're not calling it a cracking because we're not yanking it out and selling it, you know, as a crack. What are we calling it? We're calling it the all-in-one liquid cooler. Cool. That's enough. calling it the bento box the bento box so so would you say that your that your design philosophy around the H1 was just I want to do something that's

small and that's easy to build in and that removes the hassle of building a small factor case yeah that's I mean that's kind of like in a nutshell how you know like the H1 the philosophy of the H1 design is and I'm looking more from you know like just everything in general is it's simplicity and then the simplicity is the simplicity of the visual and then the simplicity of the user experience how to make it easy for the users i mean in fact this this design's philosophy goes for our products right it's not just for the h1 um but yeah did you have any inspirations for the h1 um well we experimented we've we've tried out many different layouts before we reached

to this right you know the final vertical design um so the the idea again is the the inspiration is really looking at placing this small form factor on the table on a battle station uh and you know how that occupies the least amount of space how to make it look good right right i think that's that's the most important um yeah um um i um i Howard wants to know, how was the experience creating the H1, given a majority of people using ATX form factor? Did it seem like a risk created in the case? I don't think so. I think, I think, it's a different market, right?

It's a different market, right? It's a different market. It's not for every, like, no product is for everyone. Yeah. Right. And I think, for me, for instance, right, I use, I use ATX. took two ATX cases at home, right? The small form factor is not really,

I'm not the market for that because I have enough space. Right. And then, and actually, I probably, well, on the flip side, actually, I don't have enough space on the table at all. Actually, I, I'm saying you live in a mansion? Yeah, no, no.

Yeah, my desk space is so, I don't have any desk space at all. And there's two monitors, and both of my cases, on the floor. Not any, like, even the smallest form factor, you know,

five liters, seven liters, those tiny form factor, that wouldn't help either. Here's a fun fact about Shin's desk setup. He likes to use a beanie as a, as a wrist rest for what? While he designs,

really puts his hand on the beanie, like his wrist on a beanie, that's his secret. Well, on the elbow. There's an elbow support. Yeah. Oh, really.

I never thought about elbow support. Design secret. Yeah, because what's the, Is that important having some... I'm just comfortable. Just like a wrist rest. Actually, but it's funny, I never use wrist rest for keyboard.

So use an elbow rest. I use a beanie or a t-shirt for elbow rest. Yeah, the first time I saw it, I was like, Shin, why do you put your arm on that beanie? And he goes, what, it's comfy. Exactly. It's comfortable. I can't deny that. It looks comfy.

Very comfortable. You should design NZACT T, Beanie, elbow guards. or something like that. You can take it off your head and put it on your desk, right? Yeah. I thought we had feet. It folds in perfectly. Yeah, no, we don't have these.

I wish we did. That would be cool. That's something that Jin can think about. Yeah, we had hats for the pop of them and they're all gone. And they're all getting like warped now. Everyone has a hat still. Oh, he's a hat as a. I mean, you could.

You could even want to. Magnomosity wants to know what tools are used for designing. We use, we have, you know, all sorts of tools. There's Pro E, there's SolidWorks. Those are the main tools that we use. MS Paint.

MIS paint. No. Photoshop. Gimp? These Gimp shop? No? These an iPad Pro pencil? Oh.

I always want to try it to see. I mean, I just use manual drawing. I have a piece of paper and lots of pencils and pen. I use pen mostly. Penn, really. Yeah, I'd have a whole bunch of copic markers. At our old office, we had a whole wall just plastered with all these Shin's sketches,

and he would always be sketching robots and boats and cars. Yeah. You remember when I first met Shin, I went to where he designs. Actually, I met you after I saw where you work, but it was like, it was like through the office. through the old warehouse in this tiny kind of like back corner of that warehouse that we were in

and then like at the very very end is like oh yeah this is where shit works is where everything gets designed it's literally like the tiniest desk I've ever seen and like a really small amount of like wall space with like pictures of like boats and cars and I'm like this is a bit of the stuff to get designed like man

this guy should have a bigger room Shin's a mad scientist but I mean like it's it's confined it's kind of fine space again I like it's a little bit private you know nobody not everyone can see what you're doing my my monitor's facing the way that in such a way that no one can you know see you besides ivan i have a camera i have a camera back

oh my god shin cam you know i i really believe you go to shincan dot com posted by ivan a live stream 24-7 line stream what is the max thickness the GPU can be in the h1 um there is a Two and a half card slots. It's not numbers though. There's actually, millimeters. Yeah, there's a,

if you go into the website, so we actually have two measurements and the reason why is because I actually have to ask customer service about this because they know everything. On the H1, the longer the card is, the thinner it has to be because the IOS is at top, right?

So the shorter the card is, the thicker, the more thick boy it can be because it doesn't block the I.O. So that's what this two measurements, on the website and it looks a little weird but you know because we wanted to allow for maybe kind of speaking fish in here like for the max amount of flexibility right there's those uh there's kind of that that 2.5 slot thing on there but um I'm sure as we as more people like you know

buy and try it with different cards like I I had guys like yeah I want to try this card in it I don't if it'll fit but I'm going to try it anyway I'm like okay man you do you and I'm sure if it doesn't fit we just buy another card you know some people are like that like we sold we sold a ton already. I'm waiting on the subreddit. I'm watching a server at like a hawk right now seeing if there are any builds. Can you share it? Because like we're all super excited. Yeah. I mean someone yesterday like on on on on Twitter is like you know I got mine in already that quickly. It was like one day one day shipping. Yeah. So I really can't wait for really love them. Loving the really loving the H1. Yeah. No, the reception has been really really great.

Will there be any special H1s that will be horizontal and also one and also why not horizontal? maybe maybe oh maybe I don't know I can't say for sure Speculating chat guys speculate in chat this is official clip it clip it When wanting a job in industrial design should you look to have other experience just marketing or anything like that do you have any marketing experience shit marketing experience I was actually a product manager I was the case product manager back in I think 2014 right or 13 until 2017 end of 2017 I was a I was actually the case product manager so how'd you like that I love it yeah yeah I mean you get to make

decisions outside of design yeah you have to deal with numbers right yeah I think it's being a designer I mean industrial designer is not only about just visual you have to kind of understand cost and the trend like like what where is the market heading and that's a lot of

research right and and not research just about you know what is going to look good in the next five 10 years and having some intuition a little bit right yeah so just keeping yourself like just understanding where the

the market is going is very important and uh yeah it's a lot of things you're a fortune teller fortune teller he knows what he knows what's going to happen um um so i was going to say uh can you predict where where we're where we're where we're going for lunch don't you wait to predict the future is to create the future who said that i forgot but shin i'll just right now now i was going to ask you uh did you want to go to lunch after this or do you want to eat your bento i think i have to eat I'll set lunch tomorrow. I'm down.

Cool, cool. Domestic, if you're listening, please reserve a table for a visual. They're like close tomorrow. They're open. Are they closed tomorrow? No, because I haven't called like, we'll get some brisket tomorrow.

Oh, yeah, they have the brisket tomorrow. Ooh, we're good for that brisket. Anyway, this is now foodcast guys. Shin, what's your favorite meal? Favorite meat, brisket? Is really? Like, seriously, like, brisket. I'm still into barbecue these days.

I'm just, I'm trying to find a good, like, Texas-style barbecue around L.A. I don't know. You should ask, Shest Allen. You should ask,

because Alan's from Texas, I'm sure he knows about some good Texas barbecue. Reynolds is from Texas. Who? Reynolds. Oh, is he? Yeah. He's,

well, he's lived there at least. So, yeah. But I, yeah, brisket. There's not there's not good barbecue in Texas

Let's see here Speaking of audio When can we get the N60 audio Soon TM Yeah Kind of what we were talking about earlier in the podcast Of how There's just a lot of delays right now

Like that are out of control with the whole Coronavirus stuff And we're walking on there We're kind of get things here fast As fast as possible But Once once we know we will let everyone know.

Yep. You'll know what we know. Can we make a backpack case for the H-1? She actually designed a backpack type of thing for a case back in the day. Oh, yeah? It was a little carrier thing. It came with, what was the case that had the handle? Oh, no.

That one? Oh, the, not the Penser box. Oh, my God. Apollo? No, no, no. No, no. No, Apollo. She has designed so many products.

He forgets their names. Micro ATX case. I remember that one. I'm serious. Here. X-T Apollo. Look up. Look up NXT case with Handel.

With Handle. Oh, my God. In case, the Handle. The Vulcan. The Vulcan. Jesus. This thing is. Did you make this in?

No, this one actually, I think, Johnny DeLine. But, but. Oh, my God. It did help design. I did help with part part of it. I'm sorry, dude, this is nuts. And was this the one that you designed the bag, the carrying thing for? Is it this one?

No. Y'all got to Google this. There was a, I don't remember. I don't know. Maybe you didn't work on anything. But I remember in the old office, we had this cardboard box that opened one day. And it was just full of like these like straps that you put computer in. I don't know why we made those.

Johnny, if you're listening, why, dude. That's not. Yeah, that's, that's. this thing's a beast this thing will take your lunch money it's it's not that bad it works

I mean the handle you know it's just crazy you know it's just crazy like it's definitely it's definitely speaks to like a different kind of like time right when like when like lands

like a big thing right people playing quake and like you know whatever team fortress and stuff like that and they have to lug their computer around yeah I think that was the that was the idea the other day

Carrey case. When we had the game night here at work, one of the builders brought in his mini ITX case. What is it? He showed it to you, I think. Oh, yeah. He actually brought it in a lunch cooler, like a lunchbox. What case? In case, yeah.

N case, yeah. But yeah, he was carrying it like in a lunchbox, basically. That's pretty cool. That's a cool build. Yeah. That's awesome. Let's see some more questions over here. I can't stop staring out this Vulcan.

I'm actually looking at the at the reviews. A mobile small case able to house my hardware while fitting in the car for gaming tournaments, etc. The size and handles perfect for land parties, which I frequent while still be a solid case that met my requirements for upgrading and upgrade potential. Great airflow based on what I've seen. That's so great. The Colossus M-A-T-X. What is that case? Glosses-M-T-X.

I don't think it's ours. That's a fan tics. Yeah, I'm not going to see what the... Fantics or... No, no, no. Not fentics. God, the cases were so weird back in the day. Bit Phoenix.

It's a weird looking case, man. Yeah. Computer cases were wild back in the day. Yeah, they're crazy. I mean, I still see a lot of crazy cases these days. Yeah. They're really crazy looking cases. All right.

Let's see here. I'm scrolling down here. Will the H-1 be able to fit a sound card? there's no more for expansion in H1, correct? No, there's two PCI slot. I think so. Yeah. Sorry.

You get what you get. Make sure that your, that your micro-ATX, sorry, mini-itx board has good sound cards in it. I mean, I'm assuming you're buying one for gaming. You probably have a decent sound card built into it,

but yeah, I mean, it's not, actually can we talk about that? Like, is there a reason why we decided to include, like, expansion slots or anything for the H-1? Just the size.

Just size. Yeah. Once you start opening the door for, you know, more options, then that case will have to grow bigger. We would have to make a micro ATX case, I think, if you wanted to do expansion slots. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, many ITX cases in general are not intended to connect sound cards. You know, it's like you just have your graphics card and that's basically it.

Yeah. I don't know. I think I still have a sound card in my PC, my left PC. It's a blaster. 3D sound blaster pro I have a have a Windows 10 I'm a newer computer and then Windows 7

still running my old computer that one has the sound blaster I think like it's such an old computer I don't think you're right Every once in a while you walk by Shins desk and you hear you got mail seriously I've been using

Outlook I think for the longest time Outlook But yeah it's just like God I'm like You like smartphone yeah well anyway that's a funny shin story yeah for the longest time shin would and it's funny because denn dennis always says that i'm like an old man but shin's like

acts like more of an old man than i i do i think because for the longest time he would just say like you know i don't have a smartphone you guys are just staring at screens all the time and you know i don't know what what the big deal is yada yada yada and like put that phone away don't take pictures of me, you know, things like that. And then one day we were, I was just sitting down eating my lunch and Shin walks by and I see the outline of his pocket. I was like, that has to be a phone. It was like a perfect like rectangle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, hey, yo, Shin, come over here, man. And he goes, well, what's up? I go, is that a phone in your pocket? And he goes, shh, don't tell anyone. And he just walked away. But that's when I confirmed. Right, maybe he's not a boomer.

Maybe he's cool. Speaking of cool, Mac wants to know when he comes to visit if he can give you a high five. Oh yeah, absolutely. There you go. Can you give you a low five? Yeah. Too slow. Magnum Austin wants to know where did the design for the puck come from?

Design for the puck. Who designed the puck? Is that you? No, I think actually the puck was, it was, it was engineered. Yeah, I actually know the story. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was, Johnny was.

Oh, gosh. I don't think the photo of Shend in the chat. I think I took it from his LinkedIn. You probably are. Is that your LinkedIn photo? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I think Johnny was at our Taiwan office and walked by someone's desk.

And they just had one there. And Johnny goes, what the heck is that? And he goes, oh, I got tired of the cables being messy on my desk. So I made this thing. And then I kind of, I think, sprung from that. That's awesome. Someone just like, I made this thing. He's like, oh, we should probably sell that.

I hope they get a cut from every from every puck. It'd be nice. It's very useful. I have like four at home. Those are rookie numbers, Jan. What? How many do you have? Like 20.

Oh my God. Are you selling them or something? No, I love market puck seller. Yeah. You see, I love the puck, man. Oh, yeah. All right. You're like the, you just promoted the same soon.

Yeah, when Johnny, when Johnny, you know, told me about that puck and like what he saw in Taiwan. I don't know what it was. I was like, damn, that's like, that's awesome. Like, I hope we make it. And then when we included it in the S340 Elite, and that's when I just, like, started going crazy with it. Like, I wanted to turn this puck into, like, you know, a thing. And then when we came to time, we launched the puck as a separate product,

I remember I even made, like, a five-day countdown on Twitter. Like, it's time for the biggest MGXT product ever. And Johnny's like, what the hell? What are you doing, man? Stop talking about the puck. But, you know, the puck, it actually, it's basically what led to Pucci, what we had today, our mascot. The puck. Puck has evolved, well, into other products.

We have the Pampuck. We have the... The what? The mini puck inside the cases, right? Like, we have, like, the little square. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Right, right. What else is there?

Are we ever going to revamp the puck? Do, like, a Puck V2? I would love one, like a Puck V-1-337, the elite edition of the Puck? Maybe. What would a Puck Elite look like? Just be all glass. Glass poke with a magnet, just sticking on your computer. Yeah, yeah, with RGBs in it, like you said.

That would be kind of dope, actually. I remember that when, I think it was MEC designed, or maybe it was sweet, a Puck case. A Puck case? Oh, God. So you have, you can separate it. No, it's actually like a case. It looked like a puck. Oh.

Did it have a hole in a little? I might have been before your time, actually. Probably before my time, yeah. How many of that long? Yeah, it was a puck case. It was kind of funny. It looked like a telotubby. Yeah.

N60 themed speakers when? I don't know, but you should participate in our audio survey that we put on the server and also on Instagram and on Facebook, because you never know. Question. Do you have any about R2X30X release? No, you should probably ask AMD. They will probably know more about the new AMDs than we would. TBH.

level 30 reward for 100,000 members if they can go 30 days without a warning meter ban sure easy peasy fuzzball array wants to know how good is the airflow in the h1 it's pretty good good very good yeah that's not it's not gonna know and actually we can talk about that a little bit

yeah well first of all you guys are interested in the airflow don't take it from us just look at the reviews they do all the testing and stuff it's one thing for us to say it's another for a trusted reviewer to say it but the beautiful thing about the H1 just getting my notes here it's all holes there's literally holes all over that thing not only that but it has a dual chamber airflow that is thermally designed to allow the CPU and GPU and PSU to pull in fresh air and exhaust hot air without affecting the temperatures of the neighboring components and that's one think people always look at our products and they always say like oh rip airflow there's no airflow in

there and it's because yeah they're designed in a way to make it look like that actually is not possible but if you look at the reviews and like the actually look at the numbers and the test and all that it's fine obviously if you're complaining about it you're definitely doing something that's probably more than gaming maybe you're i don't know overclocking benchmarking doing all sorts of crazy stuff with your PC, I don't know, but if you're using it for what it's intended for, like, you're not, you're not going to have any problems or issues with airflow, I think. Right, shit? Yeah. What's the N-Z60 Aero Chassis and why it's someone linking CorroFloat?

N-ZXTero Chess. Show them on your, on your phone, Ivan. Someone just linked this. Someone's doing some deep dive in this. How did I find that? It's probably Google, dude. It's the internet. People are looking. I was like, uh, by Shin-Fing. Yeah.

With your names on there, what the heck. Yeah, no, that is, I did do that. That, this is Shin's, I had a prototype of that. Oh, still in my garage, I think. Really? You should bring it in, this looks awesome. I don't know, I'm still there. It's more than it.

It's like 12 years ago. You guys, Shin's picture there? Yeah. Oh, my God. Wow. Exposed. Exposed. Coral flood.

Oh, okay. Yeah. She's going to delete Let them a season to This way Can you take Can you just get rid of this?

Capture wants to know Is it H1 made specifically to be transported around Or just a basic ITX case That's made for starter builders Or people that just want a small PC Sorry I didn't So basically is asking

Who is it for? Like is it for like The land Like the like land tournament person Is it for someone who wants A small and minimal? Yeah It's easy to transport

Yeah the target. Yeah the target gamer? It's really for people who are, you know, looking for a small form factor that helped them save space. And as well as they want something that it's easy to build in. So if you want an ultra small form factor and then something extremely easy to build in and that sits on the table that looks gorgeous, I think I think that's the H1 for you. Also, if you want to flex on your friends. Right?

Maybe. It looks. It comes in. It looks super cool. Yeah. No, it's actually good question because I have a friend who helps, who helps run gaming tournaments for fighting games. And he was like looking at the H1 because he wanted to, you know, like go from his place to, like, the venue to be able to set up his, like, stream setup.

Because he streams the tournaments live. It's like, would you say that the H1, like, kind of serves that need as well? Yes. even with like the liquid cooler and like the glass on it, you still feel like it's, you know, good for that kind of person. Yeah. Absolutely. All right.

Will N6T ever make a capture card? Maybe. I don't know. I always tell people, our plans, to take over the world, then we can't do that unless we make everything. So we got to make a car first. You got to make everything. Question.

Would your airflow management work if I use the case in my room where things are messy and compact? Why don't you clean your room and find out? Good answer. Yeah, your room is, yeah. Well, okay, that's, so if you have a messy room and like you don't vacuum and you have a dog and a cat and you put your PC on the floor and you leave your window open all day and you never dust. You never dust. What do you think is going to happen?

Like all that's going to go inside your computer, obviously. So there's dust filter in each one though. There is a dust filter, but eventually that thing is going to get, you know, clock. up if your room's like a mess like that so you know put your PC on the desk where it belongs it's called a desktop not a desk bottom shin I put my H510 elite on the floor on a on a wood floor how do you feel about that grace that's fine I mean like I said there you go I mean because I place my case on the on the floor too disgrace those beautifully designed cases on the floor shin well I can just look down look down I'm the only one that

probably actually complains about that stuff. Yeah. How often should the H1 be cleaned from dust? That depends on how dirty your places. Clean your room, people. I think I mean, I clean my room. Yeah. Like I honestly, I hear you.

I don't clean my room that often. But I don't know. Does once, I mean, vacuuming once a day, the floor, I do that. And then, um, yeah. And then the whole house every once I went once a week. Shin's really into furniture design. I like furniture. Architecture.

Not IKEA? I mean, IKEA, they're great, I think. Let's see here. This is a really good question. What was the most fulfilling moment for you in the design process of the H-1 and or what was your biggest insert sigh of proud relief moment? So I guess two questions. What was the most fulfilling moment of designing the H1?

When Microsoft stole his design. I feel good about that. I think it's finding out the form factor. And then so we again, we tried out different design languages for the H1. And then once we locked it down, I think that that was a very happy moment for me. And the other question you had was. What was your biggest sigh of? sigh of proud relief moment

I think that too yeah those are two yeah they're kind of related to each other so I was relieved that we were able to find something that you know that worked are there any limited edition H1's coming out maybe maybe if you ask for it enough will the H1

be available in a case only version I don't know I actually kind of want to talk about that a little bit not not like whether we'll do it or won't do it but I find it interesting because we designed the H1 right and we make a conscious decision to include a power supply unit and we include a cooler so you don't have to worry about that and all you got to do is pick your motherboard and drop your stuff in and pick your card and just pop it in and just pop it in and we do everything

from like rewriting the cables to having all of it set so you just put your stuff in there right do you feel like maybe like just from a personal standpoint that we should ever do that I mean, like, we designed it with the idea of making it easy to build in. I feel like if you now have the choice to put in your own power supply and swap out and put in a different cooler, doesn't that kind of take away from, like, the idea of like what the H1's kind of designed to be? Yeah, I mean, if you don't, that means the cooler is specifically designed for the H1. Right. For instance.

So in order to, if we do do that, if then you have to kind of redesign the internal layout. Right. So I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. It's interesting to me because like even like all of our stuff, right? Like I someone, I think it was on Reddit.

I was talking to Ivan about this earlier on the podcast. And someone's like, well, you know, if you made it like three inches taller, you can add like another 144 millimeter fan. Like well, yeah, duh. But then it wouldn't be the same case. And then people started asking for more stuff. I'm like, you know, we have the H200. We have the H500.

You can fit, you know, stuff from there. You can still track down the old H400s, right? if you want those like it's just really funny how people will ask for more and more and at a certain point it's like it's not even the same case anymore right yeah yeah if you i mean the the the h1 won't be able to satisfy everyone right that's just the truth and then and and um but but again going back to what what is the h1 for i mean who's the h1 for is it's really for people who want the smallest form factor super easy to build in and just takes the least amount of desks space and looking great.

I think that that is what we're trying to accomplish with H1. All right. So we're running out of time here with Shin. So I want to see what else I can get here. Do you have any questions for us or for the community, Shin? Besides, can you please take down my picture? Yeah. Yeah, I can take it.

I don't. I just really glad to be here and talk to everyone. Are you? Yeah. You seem pretty scared. Am I? No. I don't know.

I'm, like, smiling right now. I can't tell because I have the, the, yeah, you're, like, behind, you're hiding behind monitor. Shin, she's not shy, but he does tend to get a little nervous and apprehensive whenever we invite him to, like, do stuff. Like, for example, like a Reddit AMA or, like a video or podcast. He's always kind of worried to say the wrong thing, but you always do a great job, man. You have nothing to worry about. Don't worry, baby. Relax, baby.

Everyone who loves you. What is this? Lexa, classic series. Oh, that's another shin case. Maximum cooling. Perfect, perfect symmetry. The Lexa. Oh, Lexa.

We need to add more cases to our, to a little museum here. Like, more older, like, funkier cases. We've designed a lot of weird stuff. We should put shin's beanie's there. This is the beanie that designed the phantom. Without this, it wouldn't be here. We should. I should.

Before Shin leaves, should we do the giveaway? We have two minutes left to the giveaway to go through. So I actually want to ask one question that I forgot to ask. We asked every guest this. What's one product that you would like to see that you like to see us take a crack at that's not like computer or gaming hardware? Bentopoxes. I mean, maybe you can make a cool bento boxes. Oh.

Interesting. What are thinking to that guys. You have 58 seconds to enter the podcast giveaway. How do people enter? You have to react to the bot and you have to be in the chat to receive your prize. So if not, we roll it and make it like a 10, like a one minute thing. Theo get ready. And how do they react to the bot?

You click on the reaction. By going to the pin messages. Yeah. It's pin. So go to the pin messages and scroll all the way down. Hurry up, hurry up. And you'll see a link to the giveaway bot. 69 entered already pretty cool 70 71 there we go they're going in on it

it's almost ending it's almost ending right shin what do you want us to make what should we make quick uh five chair four chair okay you made a chair already car well we didn't make the chair vertigar made the chair imagine a shin design chair shouldn't sat in the chair though did he really everyone's had in the chair a car huh All right, so congratulations to Parrot lover. Oh my God, this chat's moving way too fast. Stop.

Hold up. Are they... Parenthood lover. Are they... There's a question. Are they in here listening? Yeah, he just said OMG, yay. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

But is he in the voice channel? That's one of the rules. Well, how else we say yay? Because he just got pinged. Should we count it is that? Mots, what do you think? Mots, what do you think? He wasn't in the voice chat.

He just joined. I don't know. I'll leave it up to the Everyone is saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Re-roll, re-roll, re-roll. All right, Theo, are you there? Theo, re-roll it. Sorry, parrot.

Rip parrot. Rip parrot, dude. Sorry, parrot. That's what you get for loving parrots. That's true. That's true. They're horrible animals. So, Shin, you're free to go if you want to, if you want to bounce.

We get a still do, still got to do this giveaway. If you want to hang around, feel free. We'd love to have you. Could you like to stay? Yeah, I'm going to have to work. Well, I'm really glad to appear. Thank you for having. We really appreciate it, man.

Thank you very much. And tomorrow, my treat. We'll get some barbecue. Awesome. Cool. Thank you, Shin. We appreciate it. Thank you.

20 seconds to join the new giveaway. Let's pin it, please. Let's pin it. Bye, Shin. Thanks again, man. Tons of pick accounts. Because we've got fake accounts. Well, I mean, no account is.

fake if it's here. Anyway, yeah, so for those listening, uh, not live or whatever, give it ended already. Uh, darker for serenity. Was he in here,

Mads, Mads was in here? What do you think? What do you think? Yes, he was? All right, cool. So, Ivan, do you want to tell darker for serenity

what he won? A brand new car. Ay! A brand new H-1 case. Any color that you want, black or white. As long as it's black or white. Any color you want as long as black or white.

So please DM Dennis. No, no, no. We're going to DM Theo for redemption instructions, which I haven't given to Theo. Actually, just DME. Just DMC Clubcast user or at Yoshokey, Y-A-S-H-O-K-I. Or how about someone just DM him? Yeah, someone DM him and then get in contact with me. And you can choose which case you want.

And please, I hope you don't have a weird address. Yeah, please, yeah. Please be like, hopefully U.S. based because it makes it easier for us. Or not even U.S. based, but just somewhere that's like not like a weird address. So many weird addresses. Yeah, like English or whatever. Not like, yeah, no. I get you.

I get you. Some people have like symbols in their addresses and I'm like, how are we shipping this thing? Yeah. All right. Close that. All right, guys. So with that, I think we're pretty much done. Do you have any announcements?

Do you want to? Yes. Actually, I do have a couple of announcements. Dennis. All right. What have we got? Okay, announcement number one, as you all know, we did launch the new H1 Mini-I-TX case. But for those that don't know, we also launched the H-1 mini PC.

So you can also buy the case as a fully built computer that we assemble ourselves. The pre-built, right? Yes. And you can get either at nz-X-T.com right now. The other announcement is that we are also giving away NZXT mini PC and it's worth $2,000. And you guys can enter that giveaway by just going to our social media or checking the announcements channels and looking for the post there. If you go on Twitter, retweet it. And then just click the link to enter.

I should probably just drop the link in the chat. So not only are we given away a mini PC is what we're calling it, the H1 mini PC from build, we also just give away a case. Wow, how generous of NZXT. What are the specs on this guy to find out? So for those curious. This morning, Dennis goes, where are you getting all these cases to give away? And I told them, don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. So for those who want to know what the giveaway PC has in it, it's obviously a NXT, H1. I think you just choose which color you want, right? Because we won't build it to afterwards or something. Yeah, we're going to let whoever wins it, we're just going to ask him, do you want black or white? Yeah. And then we'll go it.

So it has an Intel core I-9-9-800-K. It has a, obviously, the cool of it that comes with it. 2070 Super. Rock Strix Z-390I board. 16 gigs of Team T-Force Wolken Z 16-gibabyte RAM. an Intel 660p terabyte drive. 12 taraflops of airflow.

12 terraflops of airflow. Write that down. All for you. That's a good meme. Yeah. I'll let you write it down. Is our secretary listening? She can make a trolley card for us.

Does she make that a trailer card? Yeah. Thank you, Theo, for sending the one to DM me. It's sounding more like a Twitch stream more and more. Other announcements, Ivan. What have we got? Um, oh, also I just printed or we just printed, uh, or ordered to print the, um, design contest number three stickers. Congratulations to any.

By any Dorito. Any Dorito. We're putting Doritos in their, uh, names now. It's a trend. Yeah. So those stickers, they should be here tomorrow and we'll start shipping them out next week. And I mentioned previously, we want to do this design contest every month. So pretty soon we'll be announcing design contest number four so you guys can start getting ready to

submit your artwork for that and make sure make sure that you guys read the frame print for those for that for that Contest because we will be changing the rules a little bit nothing like in terms of like how to enter just some some back end stuff for us But you know when you know the only other announcement is for switch euro. I have no idea what these new rules are in the server but good job I guess we'll discuss that later I do have two announces myself

one is we added a Netherlands regional chat so for all of our what do they speak in the Netherlands Dutch Dutch Dutch why is it why is it Dutch if it's called the Netherlands

someone explain that to me I don't understand it Dutch is how you say Netherlands in Dutch Oh is it really? Oh nice But yeah so for those who want to you know speak in your native tongue of Netherlandese and so the regional channels are designed for people who live in those regions right to hang out and chat if you want to join those regional chats

we do have a regional selection channel to scroll all the way down and you can select the region we currently have channels for Brazil Germany Mexico Spain and Netherlands so the idea is that we want to bring people in those regions in those countries together to kind of you know have you know build like a mini community. So just because you speak Spanish like I do doesn't mean I belong in the Mexico channel because I live in California. Do you really speak Spanish though? A little bit. Just enough to order food and like a patito. Um, and also just like a side shout out to the mods. Uh, we started, uh, kind of structuring the mods a little bit differently,

putting them putting them in the teams. I'm sure you guys have noticed the new rules that they have. Expect some cool stuff from them. And if you guys have any ideas, you know, let them know what's up. Because that's where we get our best ideas, you know, for the club is from you guys. Case and point, I've been always like to point out that Cuddle gave him the idea for the entire N60 club and the structure, which I think is a... Easy inspiration, man. He's the inspiration. All right. I think that's it.

Do you have anything else? Cuddle stay out of the Mott chat. Oh, man. We forgot to ask him who his special shoutout was. Dang it's. Let's just say it's for Cuddle. Yeah. Cuddle is the shoutout.

All right. So with that, thank you for joining us today. Shin, he's not here, been waving as if he is here. And thank you to everybody who tuned in. Remember to tune in next week at 10A and Pacific Standard Time of the official NZXT Discord server and follow at NZXT on all relevant social media. And don't forget to listen to previous episodes

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