NZXT PODCAST - #077 - Jeremy

Episode Date: February 18, 2021

This week on the podcast, we are joined by Jeremy from Leyline! Jeremy and the crew discuss: collaborative computing, blockchain, and existential dread Connect with leyline on Twitter: twitter.com/leylinenp Listen live to the NZXT 💜 CLUB CAST on our Discord server at discord.gg/nzxt every Thursday at 10AM PT and submit your questions to [e-mail]! Thanks to peppermint2525#3273 for the artwork!

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Hello, everybody. And welcome to episode 77. of the NZ60 Clubcast, the official podcast of the NZXT community. This podcast is recorded live every Thursday at 10E and Pacific Standard Time with the official NZXT Discord server and maybe Twitch. And it's available to stream on demand on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, and SoundCloud. So remember, everybody, with our powers combined, we are Captain Planet. My name is Dennis.

And with me, as always, is Ivan. That's Yvonne. Thank you very much. My apologies. This is a, this is like a, this is a new record, right? For, for 2021, I believe. You being on the show, I think. Yeah, I think, uh, I finally just gave up trying to, to be productive.

And it's just like, I'm just going to be on this podcast for five hours a week. Yeah, I think this is my, what, third week straight. Yeah, yeah, no. There's no, hopefully I keep it up. Yeah. Everybody's finally learning where the, where the real value lies. and this in the podcast. Honestly, like, I kind of gave up tracking days and weeks during the quarantine or pandemic.

It's like one day, one day leads into the next, man. I can imagine. I can't believe it's already been in pretty much a year. That's crazy. Been one year. So for those who are wondering, who is that amazing sounding person that we haven't introduced yet? It's our friend Jeremy from Layline.

How you doing, Jeremy? Hello, this is my radio voice. Just kidding. Yeah, it's good to be here. Thanks to Dennis and Yvonne. And hello, NTCC community. It's good to get to chat with you guys. Yeah, it's been a little bit, right?

And it's been a lot happening at Layline from when I can see from your guys' Discord pings. And that's funny because I forgot to take off the to, to take off the like suppress notification stuff or whatever. Someone's getting pinks for everything. Like, man, you guys are doing a lot. Yeah, we're pretty active. There's a lot going on.

Yeah. Yeah, we're growing at a pretty steady clip. So it's very exciting to know that the message and the mission is resonating. So, yeah, happy to talk about all that good stuff and other fun topic too. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm actually really excited to hear what's going on. But first, before we do that, though, for those who are new,

because we are testing a new platform. I won't tell anybody where we're at, but testing a new platform, for those who don't know, what is Layline? All right, I can get started there. And, you know, I might be worth also just given a bit of background on where we kind of started and, you know, my background of history as well. So I've been in a tech sector for about 20 years now

and spent the last 10 years at Blizzard Entertainment where I did a number of different senior manager roles, started over in the Battlenet and WebMobil team, helping to launch a number of our games, Overwatch, Heartstone, Here's at a Storm, World Warcraft expansions, Diablo 3, and a bunch of other expansions for Harstown and stuff like that. And after three years, moved over to Paris to work out of our European office. There is doing digital marketing, publishing, data science, and data analysis,

then moved back to Irvine to join our e-sports department. So there I was doing international operations and business development and helping to launch the Overwatch League, StarCraft Leads, Harstone Leagues, across the globe. So I had this really interesting tour of duty across the games industry and working with a lot of brands and businesses. And basically, I was concerned that the amount of energy and money flowing from the gaming community

was actually not really being leveraged for helping people and helping a planet. And particularly with the big game companies where there's record profits and record engagement and 2.7 billion gamers on a planet and are we leveraging that as a force for good? So that was kind of the impetus for launching Layline. So Layline is a nonprofit, open source, open knowledge project.

So this is really built for and by the people. and our objective is to create this economy and an ecosystem of positive impact. So ultimately what we want to do is we want to make doing good in the world easy, fun, and profitable, where you are eventually building a passive income for the different type of good activities to do in a real world. So right now, if you imagine trying to do some good stuff, you have to either spend your money to donate or spend your time to go volunteer here or user connections and leverage. And we want to make that super easy.

And even just these tiny incremental steps will allow you to earn layline points and then use the layline points to redeem prizes in our ecosystem. So that's like the very, very high level concept. And the ultimate mission is we want to really create this engine that gamifies good and then distributes cash very efficiently all over the globe

and basically helping to eradicate out of poverty. We're going to try to do our part there. So that's the, you know, 30 second pitch or two-minute pitch. I have no idea how long I spoke. I tend to ramble, so please cut me off whenever I just go down to. No, for sure. No, talk away. No, it's really interesting.

I've been keeping a little bit of an eye on what you guys's been up to. And it's like you guys are not just like working on this platform to kind of empower people to do some good, but you guys are also going to building like a community over there, aren't you? Yeah, absolutely. And you know, that's the key in this new world. So, you know, we are building and leveraging blockchain technology, in particular NFTs to drive value to the ecosystem. And a lot of that really needs community. Like just building a product or an app is one thing. But because we're so mission focused and really about social impact, we've got to be able to inspire and engage with our users. So it's actually, you know, in some ways, I think the community is actually more

valuable than the platform itself. So yeah, we're trying to put a lot of focus into people. And in fact, most of our, you know, expenses and budget is really all about people and, you know, supporting them, giving them a living, giving them a great job where they feel like they have a great culture and big impact. So yeah, we're very much a people-focused organization. It's at the very core of Layline. Yeah, I think that's definitely one of the most important parts, right, is like ensuring that the people who are working around you, working with you, are happy. They feel they feel valued. They feel that, you know, what they're doing is like helping somebody, right?

Helping people, right? Yeah, absolutely. And here's the wonderful thing about gamers in particular is that, you know, one of our key partners is Boink. They're based out of UC Berkeley. And one of the biggest opportunities is that gamers got these massive, crazy, awesome machines. And particularly, NDXT community has, like, amazing, badass machines. one of our volunteer opportunities is actually just donate your spare computing power to science

where you can accelerate research on COVID, cancer, climate change, all these different diseases and humanitarian challenges. So it's a big reason why I think this community is awesome and perfect because we gamify that and basically get you guys rewards for just leaving your computer on overnight. So that's like a really big low-hanging fruit that we saw. And it's a great partnership for us, for sure. Yeah, I finally got my account going on that thing. And it took me a second to get to like to like figure it out because I'm really bad at like looking at menus. But I finally got it set up and like I think I moved over to my band to go watch some anime.

And then I look over at my computer screen and it's like flashing and it's like, boink is doing something 46%. And I see these bars and I'm like, I'm doing a thing. But computers thinking. Totally, man. It felt really cool. And I think that's the key, you know, because like we as gamers just love to see this kind of feedback. You know, we want to see our stats move up, we want to see the achievements, want to see like we're making progress. So, yeah, I think that's the hook is we don't do that enough with social good.

Like, we don't get that really awesome feedback where it's like, you know, I donated blood to the Red Cross. Like, let me see my achievements and my, you know, my XP level. And let me see how I compare it to all my friends on leaderboards. So that's really the hook that we're trying to really focus in on are these intrinsic motivators that we've mastered in the gaming industry. and just not really applied it to the real world yet. So this is the big opportunity. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I came to see where you guys are going.

I think when I was looking at the website, I was looking at all the ways that I can kind of get rewarded. And one was for like donating blood, I think, right? And I was like, you guys want my blood for what? What are you going to use it for? That's right, yes. Give your blood to lay line. But yeah, so yeah, ultimately, you know, you kind of think of us as more like a loyalty program for all these different nonprofit activities.

And so really we're just like kind of funneling this like, you know, massive and engaged user base to, you know, these organizations that don't really have a budget to acquire a bunch of people or to spend on marketing. And then they don't have like engagement mechanisms to retain users and to retain, you know, like recurring donors. So yeah, we're kind of going over to them and saying, hey, listen, we got this awesome tech platform. We got an entire prize pool. We got lots of connections into the gaming and brand space and other nonprofits. So let's just like hook you up. And you're just like, holy crap, that's amazing. Let's do it.

That's really, really cool. Yeah. Did you just threw into the chat some of the things you can get rewarded for or some of things you can redeem? It's like Blizzard cards, Origin cards, Origin, you know, EA, Apple, Twitch, Nintendo, Fortnite. Are you hot Fortnite gamers when a chug-jug, you know, get on that, get on that layline? Yes, indeed. Yes, you earn all those things just for, you know, doing good, including, you know, just taking care of yourself, you know. So one thing is that if you're going to try to do good in the world and help out, you got to first make sure that you're healthy and happy. So we incentivize exercising, proper sleep. We'll probably add in mindfulness and, you know, mood logging. And the cool thing is that, you know, you just start checking in and you earn your layline points for once a day, like 10 points. But if you want to validate that and hook it up to like a Fitbit device or your Apple Watch, then we'll double the points and then give you points for

every hour that you exercise or slept. So yeah, we're going to really, really ratchet it up and just give some value to people. And then by doing that, you're better equipped to start to think about others and help them because you're in finally good shape. So you're totally speaking my language right now. My whole thing this year in 2021 is to take care of myself so I can take care of others. I started lifting out I started waking up early I started sleeping more eating better

all that stuff because last year I said on the podcast before last year was like the worst year of my life for like a bunch of different reasons with like the pandemic just being like the icing on the cake and I feel like

now more than ever people got to take care of each other because I think what the pandemic showed me at least, it just shows how vulnerable we all are, right? Like, without each other, we don't have anything. But like you just said right now, like in order to do that, you have to take care of yourself first. Yeah, absolutely. You're totally right. And Yvonne, I'm so sorry that you had such a rough year last year. And, you know, I think we're all kind of in that same boat.

I had, you know, multiple deaths in my family. And a lot of people in my, you know, circles that are really... struggling, you know, from losing their jobs and, you know, starting to, you know, have, really literally, they're moving into food scarcity, which is really horrifying. But, but, yeah, I think there's this really powerful change that we could do by just taking these little, tiny small steps on improving our day-to-day, and, you know, it makes this huge difference over time. And I think that's the idea behind Layline. And, you know, like, you know, the whole concept of Layline is these, like, connecting lines of

energy that kind of flow to, you know, sites of power, but individuals as well. So collectively, we can do some serious good. And again, 2.7 billion gamers on the planet, even if it took 1% of that, that is a massive, massive positive impact, and we can drive that force for good. And even just for the computing power, just 1% of that's already 100 times faster than a world's fastest supercomputer. So, you know, gamers to me are going to lead the way. And this generation, like, this is who's going to save the world. And yeah, so the question is, how do we just, like, give a pathway for that? You know, because I think a lot of people are seeking this ability to make a change,

but, you know, our system's kind of like screwed up, so, you know, we don't have a ton of power. And I think this is where the revolution is going to take place where we kind of empower every individual to make a difference. And it might not seem like a lot for yourself, but altogether we can change the world. I love that idea So that Dennis Yes I have one quick question As like a follow up to what you just said

I know back in the day You could use folding at home From your P S3 Will we ever get Boink on like a switch Or a PS5 or something Because I think it'd be really cool Telling my switch running Is have it like thinking all the time

And just like doing stuff Yeah totally I mean like it is absolutely possible I think a lot of it comes down of platform holders and whether they choose to prioritize it or not. And I think that to me was this crisis, which is all these gigantic platforms are running for profit. And ultimately, they have to optimize for their bottom line because it's all about making money for their shareholders. Like, that's what really incentivizes them. And that's a challenge where, you know,

when Microsoft or Sony has to make that decision, they're going to like ask the question, hey, how much money are going to make out of this? It's like, not much. All right, screw it. Let's do something else. And that's the challenge. I ran at Blizzard, you know, because I tried for six years to try and promote these, you know, product ideas that are less on revenue, but more on social impact. And, you know, just kind of fell on deaf ears because nobody is really measuring that impact or held accountable to what we're doing. And yeah, that's why I left because I was just tired of waiting. And Yvonne, like you, 2020 has just been a terrible year. And I thought about, man, what is the future going to look like if we

don't step up and do something. And I've got two young daughters or four and seven. And I just think about what is their future going to look like? It's going to be a total disaster if we don't, you know, try and come together and do stuff. That's actually what kind of motivated me to take care of myself was I have a, I have one daughter. She just turned three two days ago. And yeah, like last year I thought a lot about her and like how, you know, how I can

can actually like do something to help her because the world is definitely a lot different than when I was growing up. And like what you just said like right now about like, you know, gamers are going to lead the revolution and all that. Like it sounds kind of cheesy when you really like like you really write that down a piece of paper where people think it's cheesy. But it's true because, you know, when I was a kid growing up, you know, playing video games was laughed at. Like if you were a gamer, you were a loser. you know, my parents, my teachers, like, you know, they thought I was going dumb from playing video games. But now, you know, all these kids that were growing up playing video games, like they're basically running companies now that are actually making change. So I'm very happy

that like NZXT's partner with Layline because I do think that it is almost like a responsibility in a lot of ways for companies to just try to do a little bit more than just sell stuff, right? Yeah, I couldn't. I totally agree. And you know, there's a saying that

the business of business is improving the state of the world. So if your business is not doing something that's going to improve humanity or planet, you're probably doing something wrong. Because making money for the sake of making money is like a totally empty purpose

because it just leads to inequality. And I think that's also part of the evolution that businesses need to go through, which is operating off of the triple bottom line. So if we're not familiar with that, you know, the bottom line is obviously like profit and money, but triple bottom line is people, planet, and then profit. So when we start to measure the impact

that an organization has on people on planet, particularly like, you know, say your carbon footprint, we should just be measuring that and holding these companies accountable to that. So I think that's where the private, or really all sectors, private sector, nonprofit sector, need to start being held accountable to that. And particularly for me, like climate change is this, wow, it is this massive, massive problem that we are about to face. In fact, I already seeing the side effects of. And so every single person on this planet has a, you know, has some stake in trying to, you know,

solve that problem. And I think the first thing is like, okay, let's just try to go carbon neutral when it comes to running our organization and our business. So, yeah, there's a big opportunity there. It's mostly we have to put the incentives in the right place. And a lot of it comes out to economics. Sorry, that was a, that was a pretty heavy. No, no, that's great.

No, it's great. No, I just thought I was going to follow up on that. It's all good. We're literally like a million miles away not looking at each other. So it's like, I just like, I'm, I'm just like looking over Ivan like, right? And he's like, okay, yeah, cool. So the next thing I want to get into is kind of the nature of our relationship with Layline.

Ivan, do you want to take that one away a little bit? Because I know you've been working a lot on that. Sure. So, yeah, I guess, you know, we just believe in what Layline's doing. So we are partnered with them. And we're also going to be giving incentives to the Layline community for participating. And beyond that, you know, I guess it's like fresh partnership. So I know this is like the second time we've had Layline on the podcast.

But we just want to, you know, do our party help more. Yeah, I think we're just getting started, man. We got some cool ideas in the pipeline for sure. But yeah, that's actually number one is the coolest thing is we will, you know, get some of your cool stuff onto our prize pool. So as you're earning Layline points, you'll be able to get your, I don't know if I'm allowed to announce that. I think we can.

Okay, all right. We can say what's coming up. Yeah, so we'll get some NGCT discount codes onto the Leland Prize pool. So you can actually get, you know, a promotional price on the next NZXT hardware you buy, which I'm totally going to use, by the way. I'm super stoked for this. You can get a free PC. All you need is a PC.

Well, actually, so here's a. Something, oh, actually, well, let me finish this other piece, which is not only do you get that coupon code, you will also get a non-fungible token. So this is kind of the new space that we're leveraging, which is blockchain. And so the idea behind a non-fungible token is that it is a piece, it's a digital asset that you own. It cannot be copied, replicated, or taken from you. Even if Layline disappears off the face of the earth, you still own that NFT. And then you can trade and sell it as you wish in the entire blockchain space. So this is what's blowing up right now because, like, you could probably see these articles where people are selling NFTs for like $700,000 where it's just like, you know, a unique art piece.

So we're going to make those NFTs like super awesome. I was going to say a bad word. So yeah, lots of utility is going to deck you out. We've got a lot of our game artists creating concept art and have a ton of utility across the blockchain. So that's part of the prize pool. So a lot of our early alpha testers right now are already minting your own NFTs. they are going to own that forever. So there's some massive benefit joining the alpha, even though we're kind of rough proof of concept right now. We're happy to bring anybody from the NCXD community. If you just want to hop into our Discord, we'll hook you up.

But yeah, so I think that's one piece. But to your point, Yvonne, there's another element, which is, you know, some of our core principles. So one of them is that we just really believe in trying to create these equitable opportunities. And what that means is that, that, so say you've got like a superpowered PC and you're donating that to science, but, you know, a lot of our users are going to come out of developing nations. So you can imagine a kid in Venezuela will only have access to a mobile phone and internet. So what we want to do is make sure that those contributions are rewarded in a more equitable manner. So instead of saying, okay, your superpower PC is going to get you like a million layline points per day,

we just make sure that it's per hour. So that way there's a chance for that kid in Venezuela. to basically keep up and, you know, earn those prizes as well versus, like, you know, furthering the inequity. So we still want to do that in terms of earning points that can net you money in the end, but we'll still, like, you know, focus on the whole gamification side, which is, all right, if you do have your most superpowered PC and you want to see if you're donating the most computing power, we'll definitely have that highlighted on your profile on your leaderboards and achievements and progression and all that cool stuff. So at least, like, you know,

get that social reputation, even though you can't, like, accelerate your money earnings relative to the other folks. I hope that makes sense. It's kind of a deep concept. I don't want to be real. Yes, but also no. So, okay, so you said non-fundable token, right? Is that correct?

Yes, non-fungible token, NFT. Okay. That's what I'm still kind of stuck on. Yeah. Okay, you know, I could go into that for sure. And I'll try to simplify the concept. Sorry, Yvonne, you're going to say something? I was going to say, can you also explain Dogecoin to Denny?

Oh, yeah. Oh, man. What is Bitcoin? Should I invest in it? Should I buy a couple of Bitcoins? Ooh. I heard it's blowing up right now. The short answer is yes, particularly Bitcoin and Ethereum.

But, you know, maybe it's worth like kind of talking through the fundamentals behind blockchain and crypto so that way people can understand, like, how valuable it is. So the idea is that blockchain is basically the most sophisticated. encrypted database known to man. And what happens is that it's distributed across the entire network. So it's totally decentralized. Nobody controls it. It's actually a consensus-driven system.

And the thing about that utility is that you basically cut out the middleman of a bank. And so you have to think about this where the bank stores your money and then they just like put it into stock markets and investments and like you'll gamble with your money while sitting in a bank account. And what do you get back? Maybe like 0.7% interest on your savings account. Yeah, that's not a lot. And then you do a remittance across the planet.

And if I were to send money to the Philippines and my family, I would get hit with a 30 to 40% cut of that transaction. Yeah. Which is ridiculous because like it's just passing through four or five intermediaries. So what cryptocurrencies do and particularly like Bitcoin as like the original crypto is it just cuts out that middleman where you own that and then you can just teleport that specific digital asset across the planet. So there's incredible utility there. And what will happen is what is happening right now is that the developing nations,

now that there's a billion more people joining the digital economy, they're skipping that. So they don't have to walk to a bank and provide ID that they don't even have and fill out this paperwork. All they do is go on their phone and click like five buttons and now they can transact on Bitcoin. So that's where stuff is starting to explode. And so cryptocurrency is actually this big opportunity for people that are unbanked. And there's 3 billion people that are unbanked right now that is this massive opportunity. So that's kind of the fundamentals behind cryptocurrencies and why it's so beneficial to society is that it just gives access. So I hope that that helps explain that part of it.

I'll pause there in case you got questions. No, that actually makes sense. All right, cool, cool. It wasn't really for me. I've already done my own research from the Bitcoin and actually have a couple of doge that I mind, no lie. Like, I think it was like five, six, seven years ago. So I actually have like a decent enough purse of that stuff.

But I think it was interesting. Yeah, I think it's always interesting to like kind of like always refresh people on it because not everyone actually like can understand what blockchain is or how it works or why it could be like potentially valuable for people. And especially like in the context of like these, these like a, I'm going to mess this up because my, I always have like a really slippery tongue like a non fungible token, right? Which is something that's also created through blockchain, correct? Yes, that's absolutely correct. So the difference between a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin is that those are fungible, which means that you could have a hundred of them and they're all the same.

So they're interchangeable very easily. non-fundable tokens have uniqueness. So like the easiest analogy is like think about a piece of art. People kind of buy this art, you know, not just because it's essentially pleasing, but it's rare, unique, and it's by a specific creator. And there's no other, you know, copy of that. I mean, people do make copies, but there's no authentic duplicate. So that's what like a non-futriple token behaves like where you mint it,

and it is the only one that exists of that nature in all of the plant. it. So the scarcity alone creates this value for anyone that wants to collect these NFTs. So, and that's why, you know, these things are selling for like crazy amounts of money right now because these big artists and celebrities are saying, hey, here's my unique art. I'm only going to make 10 of them in the whole world for the history of mankind and people just go bananas for it. So that's the space that we're tapping into because we want to be able to see that value and the revenue generated from that and just give it back to the people. all of the revenue that we make over operational costs is really targeted to go back into

the prize pool and just create a bunch of gift cards for people to convert into real cash and hopefully really make a difference in solving poverty like extreme poverty. So here's an example. So now imagine you're that kid in Venezuela and you exercise, you donate your mobile phone competing power to science, you know, participate in local volunteer activities. And then you claim your first prize. So that NFT is one thing you own. And then there's like a $25 Bitcoin gift card included in there.

That is so life-changing because that is an entire year's salary for that kid in their location. Or it could be an entire college education. So it's just crazy amounts of transformative change for people that are in these impoverished areas. So that's a big part of the value proposition is getting that. And then now imagine that kid starting to trade that NFT and selling it for, you know, 500 bucks. Like, holy crap, what could that do to that person's life? And then imagine that for their family and imagine it for their entire community. So this could be massive.

Like, that's the opportunity space that we're looking at. And here's the exciting thing is that we are like continually landing these partnerships. And the most recent is with a nonviolent peace force. So this organization actually trains and educates volunteers to help prevent violence in any different situation and largely in conflict zones. So they've got about 8,000 volunteers that they train and basically go out to the conflict zones and save lives. And so far, I think they're protecting about 20,000 people across the globe. And yeah, and so they basically have boots on the ground where they can help people out. we incentivize volunteers and then we also incentivized actual people that are in need.

So this is the very exciting stuff that's like playing out right now. And yeah, we're just getting started, man. It's going to be pretty fun. That is awesome. You guys are doing a whole lot over there. I'm like, like, I'm always like impressed. I'm not saying impressed. I'm like jealous.

Because you guys are moving like super super quick. I'm like, man, you guys are doing so much stuff. Like I feel like every day there's like something new. new coming out. What you think is really great. And you kind of blew past all my questions. Which is awesome. Oh, man.

That's either of that. No, it's great. I love it. So for those who want to get involved, where do people go if you're not listening live and on Discord and maybe on Twitch? Where can people go to check out what you guys are up to? Yeah. So I think first place to start is, you know,

can pop over to layline.g and you can actually sign up for account. We are enclosed alpha, so it's restricted by a wait list. But if you come and join our Discord and just request it, we were happy to hook up the NXT community and just skip that waitlist. I think it's about 1,200 people now on a wait list. Yeah, I believe so. So it's starting to get filled up. So that's one way to get started.

And we've got a whole mod and the community is nice and vibrant and just kind and caring. So we'll make sure to take care of you and kind of walk you through the whole thing. And ultimately, we really want the community to help shape the product. So, you know, we want people to have stake in what we're building and to hold us accountable. And your feedback is actually going to build, you know, the future of this platform. So that's one way to get started. We also have, you know, all of our social accounts on Twitter, Facebook, Insta. So if you want to follow us there too,

That's really cool because we keep on posting lots of useful information there and just memes and fun stuff. And then finally, we are also a nonprofit. So we generally, so the long term is that we're going to build this fully sustainable business model where the NFTs themselves are generating tons of revenue that covers our operational costs. But since we're not there yet, we've just kind of focused and started, we still are operating off of donations. So we actually have a donate page too. So that's another way to help us out and doing some fundraising. So yeah, and here's a cool thing is that we are also a 501c3 nonprofit in California, which means that donations are also tax-exempt.

So not only to get to support a cause and help pay the food for our engineers, but you can also claim it as a tax-exempt receipt. So win-win. There we go, folks. Basically printing free money. I know it's not at all what you said, but that's the thing that popped into my head. Yeah, exactly. You know, we're basically creating this engine of abundance, and the only way, the only thing you need

to do is just like be a good human being and help out. Like that is, that's the kind of world we want to build where we've kind of got this like scarcity mode where it's like this rat race and we got to compete and it's a zero-sum game. And it doesn't have to be that way. We can totally rewrite the rules and just make a world, a positive some world, where, you participate, you do good things, you should get paid for that. You know, like, it's a weird society we live in where we don't pay people to do good. We pay them to just make money for rich people.

I mean, just an oversimplification, but that's the kind of change you want to bring to the world. No, for sure. It's definitely something that I think is needed right now, right? Kind of something that mobilizes, not just people, but like gamers in general, right? Because I think there's a lot of, there's a lot that we can do. All right, so folks, we do, I think we have a lot of questions actually on the podcast here. Yeah, we got a decent amount. Nothing too crazy.

Nothing too crazy. Some fun stuff here. So for those who want to ask a question, we do take questions from our Discord. Discord.org.g. slash NZXT, that is Discord. org.g slash NZXT. If you want to ask us questions, if you want to ask a question off the air where we're not live, check us out at clubcast at nzxta.com.

That is c-l-u-b-c-a-st-n-n-z-tt.com. Easy-peasy. First question we have is from, this one is for Jeremy from Captain Attila. So a very important question. Did we vent math or did we discover it? Ooh, wow. I love this question, dude.

Is that crazy? We're duet. So my take on that I could be wrong is that we discovered it because math is essentially like the fundamental language of reality. So we are actually just kind of like uncovering it by just being, you know, dumb apes and like, you know, bashing rocks together and just kind of figuring out how physics works. So that that's kind of my take on it. And you know what's interesting is that math is this universal constant. Like it is the only thing where it doesn't change and based on. this context because even physics like is malleable once you get into quantum physics like it's

totally you know disconnected so math is the one global unifier for everything someone said someone said that the aliens gave it to us do you guys ever like like notice there's like particular numbers in your life and then you're just like why does the number keep popping up I'm serious I can say a couple specific numbers that are very meme worthy, but you can probably get this. Funny gamer numbers? For me, it's always been the number seven. And I forgot how old I was. I think I was like 21 when I discovered this.

But apparently, like, every seven years, your cells and your body regenerate, right? So, like, every seven years, you're technically like a quote unquote new person. So when I learned that when I was 21, you know, I just kept paying attention to that. And then now I'm 39. And when I look back in my life, I've definitely had like major milestones when I was 7, 14, 21, 28, 35. And now I'm totally looking forward to being 42 because I feel like something's going to happen to me. But just the other day, like my daughter turned three, right? So literally for like two weeks,

being up to her birthday, that number three just kept popping up like in the most random places for me. Like, I don't know, like I'd be driving behind someone and the license plate would be like, 333 or something. I don't know.

It's a grocery store and like, oh, this is on cell for 333. It's just like weird, weird, weird things. Yeah, it's the universe telling you something very special. Another counterpoint on that is that It's possibly like just human psychology where we tend to have these kind of fixed viewpoints in the world. And then the more evidence you see basically reinforces that belief.

So you then end up kind of like tunnel visioning into that specific idea. At least that's a kind of psychological theory behind it. I think it's called either availability bias or another term. It's in a great book to read is a, you know, You know, Thinking Fast and Slow by Danny Kahneman. Retrity talks about, like, you know, these behavioral heuristics and how we have these, like, weird biases embedded into our brains. What's that book called? Thinking Fast and Slow.

It's a fantastic book. Yeah, very revelatory. You kind of, like, understand, like, oh, this is why I make these, like, really dumb judgments and decisions. Because, like, this is our natural human behavior where we're taking these shortcuts. That's super interesting. Yeah. Cool. Check it up. Yeah. And there's some cool things here. Like here's another one, which is the anchoring effect. And this is actually quite useful when you're doing negotiations. And the anchor effect essentially says, okay, if you come up with idea or a number and you say, okay, you know what, let's negotiate in this deal. And you're the first person to name a price. Like I'll pay this for this PC, you know, $200. The anchor effect makes the other person think about, okay, what is it in relation to $200? Whereas if they started with, you know, $200, whereas if they started with 500 your negotiation would have been at that range. So anyway, some practical tips there, which is random.

I'm full of random trivia, guys. So I'm going to go on these weird tangents. That's good. I feel like I know a little bit about every little random thing, but I don't know a lot about anything. So I am enjoying this conversation. All right. next question is, are you excited for, are you excited for Splatoon 3?

They used announced it yesterday. Splatoon 3 was announced yesterday. I, unfortunately, am not very familiar. I mean, here's my relationship with Splatoon is I played the characters in Smash Brothers. So not exactly my, or I don't know, I just haven't really played as many games recently. Um, but, uh, so sorry, not terribly excited, but I am happy that it's coming out because I think it's a very popular game. It might be something good for my kids, I think.

Yeah, uh, they're probably getting that to the age. But what I will say is that we have been playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 on Switch, which, uh, is super fun for the time. I've been wanting to play that. I'm wanting to play that because the Marvel Avengers game did not hit for me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, yeah, I played it for, you know, a couple hours of stadium.

Yeah. Oh, no, another stadia, dude. Oh, God, Ivan. Ivan's all about that stadium. He's always like, oh, man, Staddy's the best way to play. I'm like, no. I think that will be in a future. Sorry, go ahead.

Oh, for sure. For me, it's the best way to play because I have a really old computer. Like, I have the first computer I built when I started working at NZXT a long time ago. And I refuse to upgrade it for sentimental reasons. So even when I was When I was like When I installed boink and I was using Layline Like I had to turn it off because my computer

Like it's really old Like it was seriously like overheating a little bit So when it comes time And playing video games Especially like the New York titles It's much easier to just play on Stadia Because if you have good internet Stadia is perfectly fine

Like it works perfect for me Like there's no issue whatsoever with me playing Stadia, and it's not true when I want to play the same game on my computer. Yeah, it's true. And, well, actually, just a side note. With Boint, you can also specifically set the thresholds on how much CPU and GPU you use, so that way it won't overheat your system. So you've got the capability to configure that just as a FYI.

Oh, cool. But here's what's interesting about these streaming services is that, you know, the technology is there. So it's kind of going to be the future because it's just so accessible, assuming you have good internet, of course. But what's happening is that these services are collecting ridiculous amounts of data, like gargantuan amounts of data. And data is essentially food for AI. So what's going to happen over time is that Google is basically going to have AI program all these games and just optimize it. So that is like a weird feature that we're going to step into.

No, I'm scared. You just scared me. Yeah, then. Because I saw this on the back end, man. I was working with our BI team over Blizzard, and there's just enormous amounts of data that we have access to. And in fact, like, you know, Little Nugget, for Activision, Blizzard, and King combined,

it's probably the fifth or sixth largest data set of users on the planet because it's just so much metadata that gets generated when you're, you know, imagine playing Hartstone, like every card that you play, every win-loss that you have, like even like in Overwatch where you can see the timing and your ability to rack up kills and Twitch. All these things are captured. So it's really, really crazy. Honestly, I have no idea how it's going to play out. I know how it's going to play out, actually. Yeah, how it's going to play out.

Once the entire world has super fast internet. Good luck. that well it's going to be a while for sure but I think once that happens then there'll definitely be more people playing stadia however I I don't think that means it's like the end of computers or consoles or anything like that's definitely still going to exist and have its place but I do think once the whole world has like super fast internet then you know there's definitely be more more people playing video games online for sure yeah instead of just me. Yeah, totally, man.

Well, because, you know, well, think about this. Like, we're, like, Starlink and Blue Origin are about to blanket the earth in super fast internet and relatively cheap to. So we're talking about another three billion people coming on to basically play games. And that's going to be so game-changing. It's, like, going to be really crazy. But, yeah, we're actually kind of moving towards the singularity. when you really think about it.

Anyway, that gets like kind of crazy talk. It's one single consciousness, and we're all just playing GTA online. Yeah, pretty much, man. You know, we're all, like, hooked up to NeurLink and just, like, you know, processing this data, like, you know, a terabytes per second, it's going to be a whole new level of humanity.

That could be quite scary or could be quite amazing. Maybe both. Who knows? I think it's both. I always haven't, like, had this really crazy idea in my head that when we die, we're just going to take off this virtual reality helmet and be like, man, that game was crazy.

Dude, that one part where was like in the car driving for five hours? A company called X-T and we made computers and it was crazy, man. That's definitely a possibility. Yeah, you're right, man. We could be in a simulation,

which could be nested into another simulation as well. It could go essentially infinite, which is, And what do you think? Do you think we're in a simulation right now? I think, I don't, my answer is I don't know, but I do think it's possible. Just, you know, just the fact that we, like, can create artificial intelligence is for me, proof enough that, you know, we could be living in something that's just totally, like, a simulation that, you know, we really have no control over, I guess. I don't know the answer, but I definitely think it's possible.

What about you, Dennis? What do you think? I've seen enough Evangelian to know this is not the case yet. We've not hit the orange tang single consciousness. Yeah, I don't think so. I think it's definitely a possibility, but I think that there, I think that if we really were in like a simulation or something, that there would be signs of things being broken.

right because I don't know a single program I don't know a single game I don't know a single anything that is bug free right if if a human created it there's probably an error in it right if it's a computer somebody somebody who has a regular consciousness had to make it and they probably broke me they probably broke it in the process of making it as well and we would have seen a glitch in the matrix at some point or another there there's no way that it's happening yet that's an excellent point I think it's very interesting

but like you know take it into play look at the difficulties we had setting up this podcast that could be the bitch in matrix you're talking smack dude you're talking smack

I'm just saying technology you know no yeah I know I know yeah it's like it's a really good point it's like if you think about it sorry go on going on there's some weird

glitch videos on TikTok that show up on my for you page every so often and there's some weird stuff out there people have have recorded like I've seen airplanes that are just floating like they're not flying but they're just like in one once like position same thing with birds or birds aren't real you see that no no no like birds just like floating like not flying but they're just like in mid-air like stuck like a video game aerodynamics, Ivan. It's called physics. We can measure that.

I've seen other weird videos where like someone will be like, we'll bump into someone and then all of a sudden like someone comes out of it, like wearing the same exact outfit or something. I mean, there's definitely like weird, weird videos like that. I don't know if any of them are true. I just, you know, I've seen some weird videos. But yeah, I definitely think. I definitely think we have the technology, maybe not right now, but at the rate we're going,

if you really just think about it, like a thousand years from now, we should be able to make a little world, I guess, right? If we're able to make... Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, if we're able to make, like, you know, artificial intelligence and things like that now, I feel like, you know, who's to say? Like, what, a thousand years from now? We could definitely make a time machine and travel back in time. I don't know.

Anything is possible for sure. I agree with you, man. I agree with you. And here's what's crazy is that the rate of technological advancement is exponential. And we tend to think very linearly as humans, but exponential growth is ridiculous. And when you apply that to AI, what it can do is mind-blowing. So yeah, we're on a verge of basically like curing all diseases and reversing aging. Like this is like it's in the cards.

And in large part because of the advancement of AI and obviously with genetic engineering too. So I totally agree with you. There's a, you know, this world of possibilities that's kind of beyond our imagination. And that's the thing I see with video games as well is that, you know, you can just see the progression. You know, the latest unreal engine is like crazy, the level of detail. Yeah, it's nuts. with, you know, pretty, pretty low effort. And then you think about applying that into VR and AR.

We are, we're definitely on the road to building the simulation. The simple fact that we can pick up our phones and look at someone wherever they are in the world and talk to them, that alone to me is proof enough that we might be living in a simulation. Ivan, it's called science. It's literally science. You would have someone that like you can figure up a device and you know, you can call Dennis who lives on the other side of the world and like look at him and talk to him as he looks and talks to you. Like people would think you're a madman. Yeah, man.

But that's not simulation stuff. That's just science. It's just like us using satellites and using like transistors and sand and silicone. Evidence to say like, man, maybe we did invent a simulation, you know, for the, you know, for the. that smart to make that technology, then we can do anything, in my opinion. I think so, man. Because, like, I guess there's like a few inevitabilities, right? There's one inevitability, which is we are in the simulation because, like, we're on that

path now, or we are building the simulation, or we will go extinct before we build it. Like, those are kind of the three pathways that we're on right now. And hopefully it is, I don't know, I don't know what's the best. Well, clearly we don't want to go extinct, but I'm not sure which one's better to be in a simulation or to be building it. There was a good Kersigstat video about this. And if you guys, if you watch that channel. Oh, I love Kerskissat.

Yeah, their animation is lit too. It's, are we living in a simulation? I think that was the video. And I think the crux of the video was just like, there's no way we can really know. So like, why bother? He's like, he's like, no, because like, okay. So like there was there was this one time in my life where I literally got stuck in like this mind loop and that's all I'm going to say about that right um don't wonder how about

how I got there but I got stuck in this mind loop where I was thinking I'll never truly know when I'm going to go right you'll never know when you die because once you're gone well supposedly right supposedly right from everything we're to stand once you die you die and that's it your consciousness just fades away but you'll never know the exact moment any and then you can never tell yourself oh hey I'm dead now because you'll just be dead right and like I was like you don't know that Right. But what I'm saying, though, is that what we currently know slash understand about human consciousness is that, you know, once you die, your synapsis stop firing. You're no longer present there as a person. You're gone, right? You just supposedly, right, fade away. And that you'll never be able to exactly pinpoint the exact, like, a millisecond when you can tell yourself, okay, now I'm dead. Because before that happens, you'll just be gone, right? Your brain just, you just drift it off to wherever you end up going. And I was stuck on that thought for a million years.

And I was like, but what if I just like think really hard? You're like, I'll never know. Like, you know, no one can go with you. It's just you by yourself. And instead of freaking out, I was like, I was going to go grab a glass of water and go play video game. Because if now, you'll literally go insane to thinking that same thought over and over and over and over. That is absolutely right, man.

Like, you know, I think there's this interesting theory called a terror theory, which is humans have this a really interesting capability to understand that they will die at some point. You know, most animals are not conscious of that, and we always have this existential dread. So a lot of the things that we've invented are things that distract us from that, like, horrible thought. It's like, so we just try to escape reality. It's like, all right, let me just find meeting in life and just do something to keep me busy because it's really fascinating.

I think isn't funny that, like, we're trying to distract ourselves from this thought that we're that we're going to die. So what do we do, right? We start doing the Wop on TikTok. That's where it ends up, right? It's like, you know, we're not going to discover great things. I'm going to dance on my phone. I think about sometimes, too, is like a lot of people, myself included, and I'm not going to

lie, like, we're scared of death because we're scared of like, what's it going to be when we're not here, right? But you never think about like what it was before you were born, which is the same thing. It's like we weren't here and the world went on. Like, it was fine.

So it's like, is there a difference between dying and pre-birth? Do you ever think about that? Yeah, I do actually. Oh my God. This blew my mind. The fact that you're not like conscious,

I guess means that none of it really matters because if you never. register that. Yeah. But, which just means that you've got to maximize the time that you've got, you know, while you are conscious and, you know, fill it with as much joy as you can. That's kind of my takeaway from that. But I could be wrong.

Who knows? My takeaway from that is kind of, I guess, another cheesy saying, but like living in the moment, right? Like, if you look at time, like a timeline and you see, like, past, present, and future. Like, the only point on that entire line where you're on, you're on that

present. Like, anything in the past, anything in the future, like, you have literally no no real control over it. And even like the stuff in the past that you quote unquote live through, like they're just memories, right?

There's just like memories in your brain that that you just think about, right? So And that includes for being born. Like, you know, that timeline existed before you were born. It's going to exist after you're dead. So, like, you're literally just in that one little dot of the now. Yeah, just a tiny, you know, tiny speck of dust, essentially, is what we are.

But, you know, I think you're right about living in a moment. And, you know, there's this, like, concept of the more you focus on the future and, like, really live. there, it actually leads to a bit of anxiety. And where you focus on the past and, you know, all of the things you experience, it actually leads to a bit to depression. And so there's something special about, you know, just this idea of meditation and presence and mindfulness and focusing on the now that kind of brings this peace and serenity. And I am terrible at that. So I may be saying something here, but I am working hard to like figure out how to be more present. It's probably like one of the hardest things to do.

Oh, yeah, 100%. Our brains are like working all the time to just come up with just random thoughts and ideas. So like being able to calm it down is it's an exercise in and of itself. Heck, yeah. How's everyone out there feeling in a podcast sign? You guys successfully shook? I was only hearing about nonprofits and video games. Now I'm just thinking about my.

That's right. Oh, yeah. It's going to be all right. Big brain talk. You know, most of it is really just, you know, fill your life with joy. And, you know, the big things that, you know, I think many people on a deathbed talking about is they don't regret, you know, or celebrate, like, the work or products they did. They think about the relationships and, you know, the meaningful, like, joy and the loved ones. And really it's about love and happiness.

So I think if anything, just optimize for that. That's like the one takeaway, I'd say. Have you played the game Soma? I have not. Okay. If you like like a simulation and stuff like that, definitely play it. I won't say anything more because it's because then I'll end up spoiling it. But I don't like scary games.

I dislike scary games very much. I don't like being spooked. I don't like scary movies because I think a lot of them are really boring and they kind of use a lot of the same tropes, right? But I would say some has a really, really cool story that surrounds this whole kind of thought of like, you know, just like who you are and like, you know, what actually makes you you and stuff.

You can play on the easy difficulty so the monsters don't do anything. So he's like walk around and do all the stuff. But it's really, really cool. And it was like. Is this the one where you kind of like, have your temporal form and just like puzzle solving or am I thinking about a different game? Maybe, I think.

It sounds like what's the other game that's made by Quantic Dream? Is that the name of the game? The company? The one where she has the telepathic powers. Maybe is what you're thinking of? Oh, control. Yeah, control. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I play control. That was fun. But I guess the one I'm thinking about it's like it's like a horror game where you have like your real world persona and then you can have your astral presence that like, you know, can travel while you're. in astral form. No, but that sounds awesome. What's the name of that game? I totally forgot. But I remember watching the review

and like seeing some videos on it. It looked pretty pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. But yeah, I'm not like super big into the, you know, horror type games. Yeah, that's a narrative at least. You know, for sure. I think games to make you think

is simply something that we need more of. Like I think that the first game that I really played that made me think and like just sit back for a second was spec ops the line which is like one of my favorite games of all time uh and it's uh and it has to do with like player choice right and it makes you like wonder what like choice actually is and like when you get to the end of it you're just like well my mind is successfully screwed up i'm gonna go cry in the corner uh no but it's really it's it's really more i was like a mind bender which is like super super super cool um and it's in and like it's a it's also the context of like the you know the the like call

a duty uh medal of honor if that's still a thing anymore i don't think successfully killed off that IP you know like you know you know you don't you know a big you know army man doing cool army things in an army video game and it's and it's uh it definitely plays around with that a lot it's it's great um it's one of those games where like once you finish it you're like oh my God, the entire, you know, however many hour experience was setting this whole thing up, why did I not realize it until the very last minute? It's awesome. So good. Yeah. Yeah. And those games that like that have that really narrative hook and that sticks with you and like reframes like your, you know, your view of the world. Like those are the best experiences,

man. That's why I love games. Really awesome. Yeah. But I'm just playing a lot of apex right now. So got to grind that battle pass. Let's go. Let's see here. I think that's like the last real question we got. Omari is another good game too. If you haven't played Omori, it's very, very good. I watched our homie B, our fellow admin B play it. Really, really, really good.

I 100% recommend it. Let's see here. Oh, you know, another great narrative game is Hades. Haiti's like, you know, it's a bit old. this point, but man, that is a fun game. Like, Hades is dope. Yeah, super good. Yeah.

And I really love the way to infuse the storytelling into the whole, you know, rogue-like structure. That was super creative. I really dug it. Yeah, it really, um, it really benefits from the setting too. I think, I think that the story wouldn't be as great if we didn't have a whole like, you know, Greek mythology behind it because like it, it kind of makes everything makes sense, right?

Um, I can't really like, go into D.E. detail and like explain it because like it's going to skipping my mind but like as you play it and like you talk to the different people in the game you're like oh this makes sense because of this this makes sense because of that and it's like it it's it's it's so well done and I think it's one of the only like rogue like games I've ever played where I wanted to play it just so I can get more like lines of dialogue totally yeah I don't think there are any of the games that like that at least in that space um okay uh we're going a little bit over time so we have our community roundup.

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Well, I haven't been working. I just been telling people what to do and they can do it for me is we're going to be starting a F1 2020 league, F1 racing, so Formula One racing. So we'll be announcing that later on today in the announcements. It's, we have a calendar for everything. Let me see. Let me just go over through real quick. I don't know the format or anything like that.

I don't think about racing. I guess what these guys would do it for me if they wanted it. Thank you to first off, thank you to TIPA for for suggesting it and getting it set up. I made him do a lot of work because I said, hey, listen, this sounds like a really cool idea. I don't want to do any work. So do it for me. This is what I need. You get that done and we're good to go.

But basically we're going to be doing a, I guess it's like a year long league for F1 racing on the game F12020 on Steam. I believe it was like 20 bucks right now or something. And we're racing every Sunday. that there isn't a IRL official race. So thank you to TIPAA. Thank you to Be A Peach, Captain Attela, Darkie, Hyper, Money, Killie, Paint, too generic for helping set that up and get this league going every Sunday. So thank you for that. We'll answer it later with all the details in the calendar.

So you guys can mark everything. Have you played that game yet, Dennis? Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, I was going to say, like, it looks like a hard. a hard game it's like um it's like it's like it's like it's like arcadey simulation right there's like there's like there's like there's like a lot of simulation elements to it um but there's but it's like it's like a nice little balance but i haven't even done a single race yet like i i i made my racing team and i chose my sponsor and i chose the colors of my car which is really cool and then it's like all right you know

now you got to develop your team and there's like a lot to do uh in it and then and say all right you know race day is three days away let's race from the track and like you know get some numbers and like you know start working on racing programs i don't know what any of this stuff means um and i know you you don't have to do it but i wanted to like get like the the like you know the uh proper f1 uh racing uh racing and i'm like man i'm going around this track a million times for what and not even racing it's like it's like um it's like you do it for like points to like level up your team and stuff and like research stuff for your car so it's it's it's uh it's pretty cool it's it's definitely a game for people who want that kind of stuff, which I'm not sure if that kind of

makes sense. But if you ever played the game, um, uh, Hunt Call of the Wild, it's kind of similar. It's like if someone wants like a really cool like hunting wildlife simulator, but it's not like super like in depth and it's not going to like, you know, make you pull out a spreadsheet. It's that kind of game. It's cool. It's cool. I just need to play it more. Pretty much.

Um, yeah, but I'll, I'll probably be joined. some Sundays. We, we formatted it in a way that makes it easy for people who don't, aren't like super, super super into the game

and like super pro racers get it. There will be prizes. We have not announced them yet. We're still working on that. So please sign up and participate and, you know, depending on how many people that we get, we'll,

we'll dictate what we feel like the appropriate pricing is for those folks. So other than that, I think that's it. Ivan, else you want to throw out to the to the community um no just congratulations to the steam gift card winners uh DM me for details on how to claim your prize let's go okay um so let me oh my god i have the living in a simulation video pulled up right now no thank you oh it's such a good one yeah i literally

think i'm going to watch it again during lunch it's like today's going too well of the ex-essential dread. Yeah, yeah. Today's going too well. Let me just stop pop this video up. All right, folks. So with that, let me... Oh, perfect.

Look at that. I'm such a professional. Thank you again for joining us, Jeremy. Really appreciate it, man. Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Happy to be here. And hopefully just come back and give some more updates as we make progress.

Yeah, no, for sure. Oh, and by the way, so if you guys like this conversation, we're also going to be screaming on our Twitch channel. Layline NP. Tomorrow we're going to do a happy hour lunch with our team where we just just hang out, talk about fun topics like this as well as like, you know, updates that are going on. So feel free to pop in.

That's a great idea. I want to sell that idea. Ivan. Write that down. Awesome, man, because like, you know, this is the thing we're missing in quarantine is like, you know, team lunches. Like that's where you get a lot of bonds and you kind of, you know, really improve trust and empathy.

So trying to just recreate that. And it's working out nicely. So please steal it. It's good for good for people. We'll do. You hear that Ivan. He got by permission. So.

Stolen. Yeah, so thanks again, Jeremy. And thank you to everybody who tuned in. Remember to tune in next week at 10-A-M Pacific Center Time, the official N-Z-Z-T Discord server and follow at N-Z-T on all relevant and irrelevant social media. Don't forget, you can send an email to Clubcast. At n-X-T-com to ask us a question off the air. That is Clubcaste, L-U-C-A-S-T-T-com.

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