NZXT PODCAST - #087 - Pope

Episode Date: May 8, 2021

This week on the podcast, we are joined by the holy one: Pope! Pope and the crew discuss designing Dolce & Gabbana, Xbox Controllers, and mental health! Follow Pope on twitter: twitter.com/popeart_ Listen live to the NZXT 💜 CLUB CAST on our Discord server at discord.gg/nzxt every Thursday at 10AM PT and submit your questions to [e-mail]! Thanks to Gordon NIGHTMARE!#5547 for the artwork!

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The power of poochie compels me. Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 87 of the NGSIZT Club. The official podcast of the NZXT community. This podcast is recorded live every Thursday at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. The official NZXT Discord server is available to stream on demand on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, and SoundCloud. So get on your knees and pray to the Holy Podcast. My name is Dennis. And with me as always is Dennis.

You just said it with me as always with Dennis? I know. I almost had it. It was like 99% and then, wow. My name is Dennis with me. always is Ivan. Hi, Ivan. Hello, how are you? How are you, Ivan? Good, Dennis. What's up? Like I say, every episode, we're only X amount of episodes in. One day, Dennis, we'll get the introduction rate. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So we have a very special guest, but also a very special

kind of theme going on throughout this month of May for our podcast. So for those who may or may not know, our podcast, our podcast, we are doing a mental health awareness month all month at NZXT, which includes all kinds of activities like podcasts with special guests on various topics relating to mental health. We're doing a tweet thread on Twitter. We're doing what I was doing, doing blogs, and some other pieces of content to kind of help

bring awareness to mental health, including, you know, the brand new mental health channel in the Discord, which we'll talk about in a little bit. super, super excited about that. I think it's a great cause. Normally when we do mental health stuff or do like any kind of events for like pride or whatever, it's, it's been kind of like a one and done. Like we do something for like the beginning and maybe like here and there, but we don't really kind of tie it into a whole thing. So this year we're really trying to go bigger with it, trying to do more.

Not just, you know, hey, it's a thing. We acknowledge we maybe donated some money. We're working with one person. Then that's it. Like you really kind of want to keep it going throughout the month and really turn into like a whole event. event. So I think it's a, I think it's a good change. What do you think? As someone with a brain, I appreciate this. So today's care of that mental health. Exactly. It's very, it's very, it's very important, right? And to, so to talk about mental health and mental health decisions and stuff,

we have a very special guest, the one only Pope, formerly known as Xbox Pope, but you all know who has Pope now on the Twitter's on Instagrams. And he also works with NZXT making amazing, cool, case wraps and other neat designs. Hello there, Mr. Pope. Hi, everyone. How's it going? Good, good. How are you feeling this morning?

So, NST build the extraordinary, but we're now doing the extraordinary, yes. Getting Pope in here. Exactly. The extraordinary Pope. No, it's great to be invited on and talk about a few subjects.

That's dear to my heart anyway. Yeah, no, we've been trying to get you on for a little bit now. And by trying, like, we've just been thinking about it. Yeah, I really reached out, but. Like, by trying, we've talked about this a million times. Yeah, like, when should we ask the Pope to come on? When should we ask the Pope to come on? And because we know you're busy, you know, working with a lot of stuff.

And we just felt like, you know, this month in particular, it seems like a good fit to have you on because we are curious how the Pope takes care of. his brain while he's doing all his awesome work out there, not just for like, you know, NZXT, but for pretty much any sort of video game company you can imagine. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because obviously my background in design kind of goes way back into many brands, you know, designing crazy things for products. So coming into the gaming world, it's definitely been an adventure.

And I think how I know it sounds silly because it's work, but how I can cure my mental health is I just have fun with my work, you know? So I treat it more as a hobby rather than it's actually work, you know. Yeah. So I want to like roll it way, way, way, way back. Because I have a lot of questions. When I first heard that you were joining the team to help us with, a bunch of projects. I was like, who is this Pope guy? Why is he named Pope? Where did he come from? Why is the Xbox Pope? Why is Xbox Pope joining a computer company? I was so confused. So can you just

let us know who the heck is Pope? So, Xbox Pope, if we'll go back to the name, that was given to me by the gaming community. So I didn't go down in the dictionary and find the name. you know it's uh it was and i inherited it and at first i was kind of thinking oh this is kind of a bit strange you know but how it stemmed was i don't know if many people have seen my work but i do a lot of what i call fan art so it's it could be a game it could be someone's logo it could be someone's brand and i kind of wrap a design that i've created onto a controller skin like on the controller and then i kind of posted out and I used to post these on a Friday, so I'd call it Fan Art Friday, you know.

And what I found doing them was it was actually helping people in the community because it was creating smiles, it was creating happiness, it was, you know, people were having a kind of bad day that all of a sudden this generic piece of art that was kind of created for them as a person would just blow their minds, you know, I'll get these private messages saying like, you know, honestly, I was having the most dreadful day to day, you know, and you've done this for me and you've really just sort of cheered me up, you know. So I've seen more of a higher purpose to them than just, you know, bits of graphics on a controller, you know. So I've always kept that mindset when I do them, you know, it's the, it's actually helping someone. And funny enough, it's mental health months, but it's kind of is helping them mentally as well, you know.

That's really interesting. How long have you been doing art? About 30 years. Oh, wow. That's a long time. Quite a bit, yeah. So, yeah, it's, yeah, I haven't just started it. So, um, so, um, so,

the name Xbox Pope was given to you when did you start kind of like embracing the Pope name? Because I mean for myself it's it's kind of like it's kind of grandiose right? I feel like it comes with like a set of expectations. I think it was because obviously I was doing all this you know let's say caring for the community

you know it was almost this guy was almost becoming a bit of a beacon for people to just look forward to joy and happiness, you know. I mean, during the years, it still kind of goes on as the whole console wall thing, you know, Sony versus Xbox, you know. And I think what people enjoyed about me was I was kind of in the middle, you know, so they just felt they could go or come to me for just that sort.

a neutral aspect where I was more targeting people as gamers rather than which side they preferred you know right so because of all this kindness and the bits I was doing for charity and things like that I think that's kind of some people in the community decided oh he's he's almost like a pope you know he's this right this kind of figure so that I did kind of inherit that name and then I changed all my profiles to be this person, you know? And ever since then, he's just grown so, like, each day grows, you know. And I think it's just because I'm just sort of that big-hearted nature person generally anyway as is me.

But I always talk about Pope in a character sort of manner, you know, because he is kind of his own person really. I haven't, you have a question? Sorry, I think I heard you trying to step in there for a second. I was just laughing because I was just thinking about how I got my

my dumb nickname, Poppy, which is not as cool as Pope, but like it's interesting to me how nicknames, like how people get nicknames and then like sometimes they stick and sometimes they don't, you know,

like, I remember when And Dennis asked me, he's like, hey, can you give me a favor and call me T-Bone? And I was like, no, I'm not going to call you that, man. I'm going to never ask you to call me. Yeah, but with me, it was interesting because like when my daughter was born, little over three years ago, like, I don't even remember who on the Discord server was like, oh, you're a poppy now.

And it just stuck. Like, everyone just kept saying poppy, poppy, poppy, poppy, and it just stuck. And, like, I never, I never thought, like, oh, I'm going to give myself a nicky. or anything like that. So it's cool. I think when when a community especially like rallies together and like gives you a nickname, it does feel special and I do feel the love when people call me poppy. So I'm sure you probably feel the same, you know, when when people call you I mean. I mean like I said at the beginning I kind of I kind of didn't like it if you know what I mean because to be fair you know I'm I'm not a kind of a religious person if you know what I

mean you know I've kind of got my own belief so let's say so to be called a pope it's almost got that aura of you know let's say Christianity type thing you know not that I'm against that because my son's actually Catholic so it's it's kind of strange how that name and you take that responsibility on. And I think when you're given a name that's also got some kind of stature in

in a let's say a religious world you know, you also have to be conscious of that as well, you know, it's not like you're not called Fred Flintstone, you type thing, you know, where you can kind of

yeah, you know, so you have to be kind of also careful what I've learned over the years anyway, is how you respect certain names as well. Yeah, especially via, like, your nickname definitely has, you know, religious connotations to it. And you definitely don't want to offend people, you know. I think, you know, as long as you treat it, not necessarily with, like, respect, but just like, like, endearment, you know, like you're not making fun of anyone or anything. Exactly.

Yeah. Because even like it's got the point now where people just call his poop, like that's it. You know, they don't even refer to as my, you know, my birth name, you know, they just call his poop. So it's, I'm kind of used to it now. In fact, when I replied emails, always replies poop. Yeah. It's kind of, it's almost like it's a part of me now, you know. And it's funny to me, like, when I speak with you, like, because you do, you do treat the Pope like a character, you know, you do treat it like, you know, like it's almost like, not necessarily like third person, but like you said like a character.

Like even today in the podcast, you message me and Dennis about an hour ago and you're like, are you ready to have the Pope the Pope? The Pope's coming for you. Yeah. Exactly. It's funny. I love it. It makes it fun. Or on social media, I'll go, I'm pooping in. You know, if I'm pooping it, like, instead of popping in. In fact, even Pope Art is a play on two words because it's pop art, you know, the art.

Yeah. I cut that little Easter egg there. I like it. Yeah, and I kind of just drop the lower case, you know, just so the two words, because obviously I do art and design. you know and so yeah it's and i mean the only reason for the name change really from xbox pope to pope was you know i'm i'm kind of going into new adventures with you know with nzht and xbox and other brands you know it's for a while when i was posting playstation stuff it was like all the i think it was a ed boone uh the mortal combat guy you know um the the

creator of Mortal Kombat. He was like, this is amazing. But the dude's called Xbox Pope and he's doing PlayStation. It's like, it kind of like, it was, it was kind of messing. It was a little bit jarring with people. So, but I think because I deal, you know, for many years, I've dealt with brands in, you always have your brand loyalists, you know, and if, if you suddenly change a brand overnight, it can upset a lot of people. So there was this progression of slowly killing, or removing Xbox Pope and changing the name change. So I think I kind of succeeded in that.

But then when I RIP'd him, it was almost like, I think the thought I actually died. No, no, I'm still alive. Yeah, Dennis mentioned earlier, like, I also, I didn't think it was weird, but I thought it was interesting when I first found out, you know, the Xbox Pope was going to be working on some NXT projects. The first thought of my mind was also that, like, you know, is it going to be weird to have the Xbox Pope working on NXT stuff? But then after getting to, like, you know, chat with you and seeing your artwork, I realized, no, it's not, it's not just about Xbox. This guy's about just gaming.

And like, even though it's, you know, there's. there's like this whole console war and console versus PC stuff and all this and it's some sometimes people do joke around and sometimes it's funny sometimes it's not but yeah in the day it's like it doesn't really matter what what you're playing on like no one cares yeah it doesn't but you know since it's mental health uh topic it can't actually mentally hurts some some people out there you know they actually think they're doing though they're trying to do good you know because of the negativity they feel like they're actually doing a bad thing you know yeah and and and at the start that was affecting me mentally because i you know i was i was thinking

about have i done something wrong here um so it wasn't an easy choice because i had built built up such a reputation with Xbox Pope just to sort of give them up over night. That was a mental challenge just for me, you know. And I did get a lot of negativity. I got a lot of sort of hate messages and things, but you can't just rub them off. You think you can, but you do go away thinking, you know, like, shall I reply to this person and explain, you know, but you can't explain to everybody. So I think after a week or so,

I kind of put some kind of tweet out, which just explained the reason why I did what I did, you know, because I felt as if I had to explain to the fans that I had gained as being an Xbox Pope, that, listen, I'm still the same guy. It's just I've had to change my name for what's to come, you know? And that's all it was really, but it's amazing how people do attach themselves so loyal to something. And they can't grasp that changes can actually be good as well.

When I found out you were going to change your name, I thought you were going to go with Xbox God. NZT, poor, I think I did get some tweets of that. It should change it, NST, poop. I would have a mistake, I try to do that, and I ruined the entire Twitter account. So it's, no, but yeah. And I think the whole console versus PC versus, listen, I mean, at the end of the day, as long as you're having fun gaming, that's the main thing, you know. It's funny because, like, me personally, like, I joke around that stuff with people,

with other gamers, just because it's a stupid meme, it's funny to me, but people don't realize that I've been trying to get a PS5 for like the last six months. But I'll still make a PlayStation joke, you know, if I'm talking to someone just because it's funny to me. But it's like nothing personal, you know. I'm like, I'm with you, man. It's like I definitely don't want to hurt people's feelings that driving crazy or anything like that. And yeah, like it doesn't matter what you're playing on as long as you're playing, my opinion. And if anyone has a PS5 for sale, please hit me up.

You should have said, you know, I would reach out to my sort of little contacts. Come on, I think we work at a gaming company. You haven't know somebody who can get you if you really wanted it. Good egg, you know what? I hate asking for stuff. I took me like, what, six years to ask for any computer? I know. And I ended up getting a laptop.

See, if I knew, I could have had you one last week if you wanted one. I think if I knew you were after one. Because there was a guy reached out of me and he's like, do want a PlayStation 5? I was like, no. Well, I guess, yeah, now the word, the words out, if anyone, if anyone comes across at PS5, I will buy. I've got nothing against PlayStation Asia, by the way. I do actually do bits of design. It's just, you know, like, I just love my console Xbox in my PC game.

And that's me, you know, like, I'm quite happy with just, I don't need to complicate things by getting, you know, a third and a fourth. style game in Hodway, you know, it's, I own a game when I actually get time two game, you know, which is very, which is very rare. I'm in the same boat as Ivan too because I love my PC and this thing is like, you know, it's, it's not a clunker, like it's a pretty beefy computer and I've literally spent the past like two weeks not touching my PC at all for gaming and I've been on my switch the entire time. So it's, you know, it's, yeah, it's really interesting how people

will attach themselves to these like, ideas of like if you don't have this or this and you're not a gamer it's like dude like I play games on my phone and I'm still like a gamer you know I'm out the dog park or I'm on the toilet and I'm playing a game right like what are you doing right? Strongly to talk or something that's awesome T-bone it's funny yeah so we had we had some relatives with around yesterday with little kids you know and in my room I've I've got something like eight Xboxes sitting on a shelf like all from three 60 to the big VCR to all them. You know, they're all lined up there. And I've got hundreds of controllers in my room. And the kids were like, oh, my God, look at this. This is amazing.

And they go, so do you have like a console? Like, do you play games? I've got an iPad. You know, so it's almost like these kids, they're only young anyway, you know, but their idea of gaming is actually on an iPad, you know. It's kind of strange. So you mentioned earlier that part of the Pope Brand has a lot to with charity, correct? That you do a lot of charity.

Okay. So we heard from our good friend Andy that you are going to be working with a mental health organization with an ambassadorship. Can you talk a little bit more about just what you're going to be doing with them? Yeah. So I mean, all will be revealed on the 14th of me. So, you know, this company reached out to me and they've got a great background. You know, they already work with some really big sort of developers, game companies. They've got some already some very big ambassadors.

And it was like, well, would you mind becoming an ambassador? that and I was, you know, my first words were, was I would, I would be honored, you know, it was, it was that quick because the other side of what Pope does not only the controller art, but, you know, I do help bits with gamers outreach, special effects, able hands, lots of sort of gaming charities. And, um, to be part of another one in regards to mental health was, it was just a no-brainer in a sense because it's what Pope does. You know, what you're going to think of is how I treat Pope and the reason why I treat him as a separate character, he's almost almost kind of like a bit of a beacon because people look up to him, people inspire to be, you know,

like him and his art. I mean, I actually do mentor some people in universities with that, with that art, just so I can kind of guide them in the right direction, not physically do their art for them. And to have these, and obviously it will be revealed on the 14th, it's just going to be epic, you know, so I'm hoping. I know that they have a lot of streamers already, you know, raise a lot of funds for them. I'm not a streamer, by the way. not yet. Actually, interesting. I know when I hopped on the podcast pre-show here,

like I think you and Dennis were talking about streaming, and I wanted to ask you during the podcast, because it was interesting to me. You should definitely be streaming, because I feel like people would tune in to watch you draw, like, for sure. You know what it is, the amount of requests or messages, I should say, just to be able to see how I do what I do. Because what you've got to remember is I only spend 30 minutes on every design.

So I have a 30 minute rule because after 30 minutes, you start thinking rather than doing, because I allow my work to happen organically. After that time, you start, oh, well, I'll move this, I'll tweak this, I'll start. And that's not what it's about, you know. So I would love to stream But do you know what it is? I know nothing about streaming I don't know what equipment I need

I don't know What do I do? You know, it's so It's almost like you need a brand Or a company just to educate I think I was saying to Dennis as well I wouldn't even have the foggiest How to build a PC

You know, but I would love to learn But it's all the components It's, you know, if you think about People invests a lot of cash into components. It's kind of a scary thing to do to get wrong, you know. So that is always in the back of my mind of, well, if I invest in all this equipment, you know, will I fail or will I or will I grow, you know?

It's kind of, I think you're always conscious of jumping in feet first, you know. Don't be scared. You can do it. and if you have questions or need help, I'm sure someone here at NZXC can help you out. I mean, I stream semi-regularly here and there as well. And to be honest, it's a lot easier than you think it is, but it's also more annoying than you think it is.

There's those, like, one or two little things that you have to, like, keep in mind over to do. But before you get into the streaming stuff, because I actually have a really good suggestion for you later on, I want to go back a little bit more to the mental, health stuff. So with this organization that you're working with, what's your own experience with mental health? And first of all, like, how do you deal with it? And do you feel it's important? So I think, you know, without kind of going too deep, you know, I grew up in a really tough,

tough background, you know, very working class. I think, you know, around where I was back in my day, it was the, you know, the steelworks, the miners, very hard, industrial sort of mentality, you know, if you had problems, you just went to the pub, you know, and that's how you fix them. You weren't allowed to talk about it. You weren't allowed to share to someone how you felt because you were, you know, you were approaching a man,

you couldn't discuss things like that because that's not a manly thing to do, you know. So I think for years, because you were brought up like that, you used to just contain it. But deep down, you know, you just needed help, you know. And I think it was a bit later on through my college years when I started feeling something that I couldn't control. and luckily for me I had the back end of the college who kind of said look we've got some people who can

talk to you know and when someone mentions the word councilor you think oh god like you know like I don't need to see no it's not that bad it's no I'm fine I'm fine you know because it's quite daunting you know but you know the best thing

I ever did was when to see a camera It was just absolutely, they just seemed to unpick what the problem was that was eating us up inside. And once that kind of like was out, this huge weight just kind of lifts. So it's super important that you do build the confidence to speak to someone. And because I mean we're seeing here many stories of people who, you know, have sadly ended their lives because they just didn't talk to someone or they didn't have the confidence to speak to someone. And I think sometimes it doesn't have to be a family member, it doesn't have to be a doctor. It doesn't even have to be a friend.

It could just be someone who knows a number to call in these people. and that's why I want to be part of this charity that I'm doing so I can make people aware that. If you can't speak to me, you can't speak to, you know, a family member at least give these guys a go, you know? Because that's the key to unlocking your mental health is you need to identify what the problem is first and then you kind of work around that, you know.

Yeah, and I think what you said earlier is very true about how there used to be a lot more of a stigma. There still is, but I think it used to be a lot worse when you were younger, when I was younger, when we were all younger, because you're right. Like, it's not manly to tell someone you're having, you know, mental, like issues or you're thinking weird thoughts or you feel a certain way and things like that. And now that, I know you're a dad, and I'm a recent dad, you know, my daughter just turned three. And what I've come to realize is that a lot of this stuff of how we like approach issues like mental health, it's really handed down generation or generation, past generation, past generation where it's like, you know, a hundred years ago, you're, you know, you're right. It was not common for a person, whether they're man or woman, to bring up these issues because people were raised a certain way, right?

And I think now, like with my daughter, you know, she's still really young, but I definitely want to raise her in a way that I want to teach her, you know, it's okay to not always feel good. It's okay to, you know, have, you know, weird thoughts. It's okay to be different. It's okay to ask for help. It's okay to let people know how you feel. And like you said, it doesn't have to be a counselor. It doesn't have to be a friend. It literally could just be a stranger that is willing to listen to you.

And it's willing to just, you know, let you know. It's okay and give you a hug, you know. And it's awesome that you're teaming up with a charity because I think it's important. for people like you are role models in the community, you know, you're, yes, you're an artist, but people look up to you, you know, you're the Pope and you're saying a good example for others, so thank you, Pope. Yeah, and I mean, what you've got to remember is I think there is there is a study out there and what between the years of seven-year-old and 11, them years are crucial for what happens

to it later in life. So, you know, if you experience kind of, you know, hard or bad times during that time, then it will affect you later down as the years go on, you know. So teaching us is more mature, old men, let's say. I'm definitely an old man. Learning all the things that have kind of the pressures and the hurt that we've kind of kind of we've kind of gone through it's great to be able to teach the next generation that yeah this it's actually okay you know it's like if you if you went and broke your leg you know you go and say a doctor or

you go to the hospital you know it's the same if you've got you know feel like you've got some kind of mental thing going on yeah it's also you know there's lots of places you can look you know you could even Google it nowadays I mean back in our day you know we didn't have the internet so you couldn't just just Google this stuff you know so yeah like just just make sure you reach out you know yeah and definitely tell the next generation that it's cool because too many people they'll either you know the find the answer is drink or the find the answer is kind of drugs, you know. Yeah.

It's not really, they're not really the answers. They're just, they're just amplifying the problem. They're kind of making it worse. They're just masking the problem, really. Exactly. They mask, they mask the problem in the immediate and in the long term it just makes it worse. Exactly. So the only answer is, is you have to talk to someone, you know.

Yeah. And going back to Dennis's question of how do you keep on top of it, the best thing I found out is find a hobby. Even if you don't kind of have a huge amount of time, just find something that kind of ticks some boxes for you. So whether it's gaming, whether it's collecting stamps or whether it's, I don't know, like just going for a walk every night, even just clears your head.

I mean, one thing I do is once I finish work, is I kind of walk around where I live, you know. Just because it's important just to clear the head and then you come back, and you can start having sort of family time because, you know, you're not, you've kind of cleared your head of anything that's kind of went on through the day, you know. So that's kind of how I deal with it. That's interesting. That's very similar to how I kind of,

try to exercise my brain and make sure that I'm not going crazy. Something that I started recently during the pandemic, you know, because I did feel, to be honest, like my mental health was impacted by the pandemic, just being stuck in this room all day long and not being able to, you know, live my life, basically, you know. And I also, like you said, I got in the habit of, of these like the routines, like there's cues where it's like in the morning, morning, I have to exercise.

You know, if I had to start my day by going for a walk, swinging a kettlebell, going in the rowing machine, something to just get my mind and my body like active basically to just start the day. And then after work, you know, after sitting in this room all day in front of the computer, the last thing I want to do is sit here longer and play video games. So like you, I also feel like I have to do something to kind of flip that switch in my brain. And this might sound really weird, but I do go for a walk. But then the other thing that kind of gives me that cue is I splash water on my face.

And after I splash water on my face, I change. I become like, okay, now I'm a dad. And now I have to take my daughter to the park. I have to, you know, buy her some ice cream. I have to, you know, hang out with my kids. for the rest of the day. And then it's just something, something's so simple and little, like, it helps, you know. And I think a lot of people, when they have, you know, stress in their lives or, you know,

they're thinking, you know, bad thoughts. Like, I think they don't realize that pretty much everyone has the same feelings. It's just a matter how you deal with them, you know? Yeah. Sometimes I look at things that kind of hurt you. what they're doing is making your heart stronger, you know, for what's to come. That's kind of what I, how I treat it, you know, it's, it's, we have to learn these lessons in life. And all it's doing is just making you a stronger person, a better person.

So, you know, when you get to quite, you know, old like me, you can either do two things, you can either pass that knowledge on to somebody or that experience of how you dealt with it or you know you can kind of just sit there and think well i'm okay now you know and kind of keep it to yourself so so i'm kind of the first option you know i'm i love being able to all the things that have kind of broken my heart and and all the mental challenges that i've had to deal with i just love being able to, if someone reached out, explain how did I get over that problem or how did, you know, what did I do to sort of fix it, you know? Yeah, and someone in our Twitch chat actually said something really good.

It's don't forget to give yourself kudos for small accomplishments. I feel like it's also very important, right, to recognize that if you are having a tough time, like every little tiny victory, right? Yeah. does a lot for you, you know. And even if it's like getting out of bed that day and like taking a shower, right? Or like cleaning up a little, you know, here and there, like small things, building the bigger things, right? Like you can't, you know, it's like to say like the journey of a thousand miles begins with a few steps, right?

Like pretty much that. You know, it's all baby steps. You know, if you're not seeing like huge progress, like just, you know, like from the very beginning, like it obviously everything takes time, right? Yeah. If you think back to being a baby, you know, you actually learn to walk before you learn to run, you know. It's the same thing. I think of yourself, buddy. I started running right out.

So they call you T-bone. Hey, there you go. You know, so, yeah, some things definitely do change overnight. You know, it just takes time. Time's a healer, is the same. Exactly, exactly. All right, so let's get into some of the community questions. first because you have a lot of announcements to get to actually a lot of cool announcements

so mr pope are you ready for the crazy wacky questions our community has all right i'm not ready but come on then let's let's do it all right there you go death rage wants to know poochie xbox controller when whenever you whenever people want to see it that's kind of how the funnel works you know it's it's based on requests you know exactly don't bug them on twitter guys that's where it takes request right yeah and in or you can have a PlayStation version if you want or you know you can have a like you know what could maybe do with crazy nzxd version i mean it can the options are all there you know it's it's that if you see a lot of the art that i do on you know my instagrams that that's all come from people's requests you know i haven't got a book where it says tomorrow i'm going to be

working on mass effect you know it's it's just whatever people think of. I mean, I've had some crazy requests. And I still do them in my own sort of way. Can I get a poochie themed steam controller? Have we done a steam controller? Steam controller. Yeah.

I've never done a steam controller. Oh, dude, it's one of the best controllers ever designed. People don't know the beauty of the steam controller. It's so good. It's so good. But we can talk about that another episode because I can talk a lot about it, a lot about that. Here we go. Tipa wants to know how did you, how did you get into console slash control design and what software do you use?

So I got into it by one single person asking us to do a Gears of War design on an Xbox controller. And I was like, well, I've never done this before, but, you know, like anything, I'm always willing to give any think a goal you know and if you don't know how to do something there's always YouTube you know so yeah it's so yeah when I I kind of start with there people liked it people start going can I have X Y and Z can I have it and it just kind of escalated you know and software I use as a software called 3D Studio Max so yeah I've got I've got hundreds of 3D models of all sorts of things And obviously I create the textures in Photoshop and then I kind of wrap.

I wrap them on the 3D model. Then I kind of render it out. And then I do a little bit of post-production back into Photoshop. And then I post it out. All done in 30 minutes. I thought you drew anything by hand. Yeah, he does. Well, there is stuff that I have actually drawn by hand.

You know, many years ago, I used to actually draw tattoos, you see. and I used to draw tattoos and I used to sell them to the tattoo artists for a bit of money. Followed question, do you render and blender or is it rendered in that Fusion Mac software? No, it's rendered in 3D Studio Max.

Bam, there you go. All right, next question is how many stick figures have you drawn in the lifetime? One. Dang, he drew one stick figure and goes, that's enough of them. that, time to draw for real. It was when I was playing a hangman.

Beaslebebub wants to know, did you end up going to school for graphic design? If so, for how long? I did. I did four years and got my high honors degree in design. But the biggest lesson you'll ever learn is actually working in the industry. Yep. That's kind of, it's, it's good. to get a little, you know, some knowledge, you know, you've got your qualifications there.

And I think sometimes I struggled sometimes even get a job when I left college because it was, yeah, you know, you've got these high honor degrees, but you've got new experience, you know, and it's like, well, I need a job to get experience, you know. So it, yeah, you've just got to kind of keep knocking on doors as many doors I have knocked on, not once, not twice, but several times. and eventually, you know, you'll find your way. And don't be ashamed to start at the bottom either. That's how you learn. Develop yourself within the company rather than trying to go big, you know.

Yeah, and just do small things here and there and, you know, position yourself in the right place to have people see your art. Here's a good one, and actually, I'm going to answer it for you because I know this answer. Have you thought about partnering with the company to make your skins a reality, someone like D-brand? So this is actually kind of me because I didn't link your website. But if you go to Popeart.com, you can purchase some of these designs. And I'll tell you what, they're not cheap, but that means they're super high quality. If you look at these, these are nuts.

Like these are, it looks like it could pretty much be printed onto like the actual casing of the, of the, of the console slash controller. These are super cool. Do you know, it's like anything when you're, because I tend to do my art, not always I allow it to be made, you see. And I do that on purpose because I just kind of want things to be like a little bit exclusive. I think people refer me as a bit of a bank ski of, you know, controller art. And I think it's quite nice. It's not it's not about making kind of like money for me. It's about controlling that exclusivity that people who are purchasing these have a, they're buying them because they're proud to own them, you know.

So unfortunately, because I don't do the bigger numbers, production costs are obviously a lot more, so therefore that reflects on overall costs, you know. All right. um see something to answer that one okay here's a good one if you get collab with anybody who would it be the actual pope pope pope ex-pop yeah that would probably be quite cool i do know because i've because before i kind of did all the the gaming thing you know i used to design for people like warrenfut and sir richard branson and i've worked with so many huge massive brands um I'm kind of just used to kind of, like when I, my son used to say, oh, my dad did that, you know, when he would say the Hugo Boss perfume bottle or some kind of fragrance, you know, in a duty-free story.

Like my dad did that, you know. And to me, it's just another job. Like so collaborating with someone, yeah, it doesn't really bother us because. I just treat everybody the same. It doesn't matter whether you're big or small. You're just the same person that I'm going to have this awesome fun time with, doing something crazy, you know. That's awesome, actually.

I didn't know you. You did stuff with Hugo Baez. That's really cool. Yeah, I designed a lot of the fragrances and stuff for Lacost, Ralph Lauren. That's... Dulcey Cabana, designed for Chanel. Dale. You working with that Dolcee?

That's crazy. Yeah, I'm designed for Dulcea Gabbard. Okay, let's go. I've designed for, well, do you know the Gillette Mac 3 razor? Yes. Well, I did that. So the initial one, the very first one, oral bee toothbrushes I've done, brown shavers, like face raisin shavers. I don't know why, but like I feel like that too.

Like, this stuff to me is, like, way more impressive than, like, the gaming stuff. I mean, the gaming stuff is really cool, but it's like, oh. But you know, 16 years, I remember back in the day. I did the initial stuff with Pringles, the crisps. So, yeah, I worked with that brand for 16 years. Calogs I've designed for, so many, so many. bronze. So one thing I want to talk about real quick, and there's nothing to do with anything we're

talking about, you said Pringle's Crisps. And for those who don't know, Crisps is the name for chips in the UK. Chips. Funny, fun fact, legally, Pringles can't be called potato chips in the U.S. either, because they legally are not potato chips. They're actually called crisps because of the way that they're made, which is. It's not actually potato, to be fair. It's a kind of, it's a kind of duo.

Yeah, it's like a mixture or something. It's like a, it's like a taco ball has like a bunch of soy in their beef, which I'm super down because it's always delicious. Or is like weird. Chips for us are your equivalent to fries. Yes. Like fry, we do have French fries, which are skinnier chips. But chips is, yeah, is your equivalent to fries, you know.

We have different kind of fries. Crisps are your chips. Yeah, we have regular French fries, which like, I would say are like the McDonald's size. We have like steak fries, which is like the really big thicker ones. Yeah. Curly fries, shoe string fries. We really do a bit when it comes to the greasy fast food here.

We don't mess around. Like, how can I make this even worse for myself? Yeah. Okay. Tip wants to know, it seems like you mostly do Xbox and PS5 designs. Have you thought about doing a Switch design? That's actually interesting. Yeah, I've done Switch.

I've got some on my Instagram. Actually, I've done a few. Just, yeah, I can do mainly anything, really. It doesn't particularly bother as if the request's there. I'll happily do it. But I don't, like I say, I don't do them for people, because I don't charge anyone to do fan audit. It's totally, it's totally free.

Because the objective isn't, again, it's not about making money. It's about, you know, it shouldn't. cost someone to put a smile on their face, you know. So it's kind of, that's the reason. If it's going to make you happy for me to do you a switch with whatever design, then I know my job's done, you know. I want to switch. It looks like an Xbox.

I want to start charging for putting smiles on people's faces. Yeah, same here. Maybe, well, maybe you need to manage me. There you go. There we go. All right. I want to ask one more question before we get to our stuff. And sorry if we skip some of them.

Some of these were answered throughout the podcast. But last one is, this is from Genigel. Skins for, okay, so which console do you enjoy making skins for the most? I guess what's the easiest one or what's like the coolest one that's designed for? Well, I mean, the Xbox controller is kind of nice at the work with just because it's kind of got a bigger surface. I always find when I do the PlayStation stuff, it's a little more difficult

just because there isn't really a huge surface to work on. But now we've got the PlayStation and it's kind of, I'm not going to use the word massive. No, I'm not. It's got this big face plate. To an artist, that's almost like this blank canvas that you can kind of work with. So some of the effects that are,

that I've been doing lately is it's definitely been getting better received on the PlayStation fan art than the Xbox side just because you know you've got this lovely sort of semi kind of rectangular shape to work with you know

there's a lot of surface area on it too right because I'm looking at like the PlayStation ones you have you have like a little bit of space on like the left and right side and then like the actual like thumb grips or the the thumb sticks have like their own little section and then you have the pad up on the top so yeah i can definitely see why it's easier to do there's hundreds of ways to to change these things you know you can change the thumbs you can change the buttons you can change uh i mean you can only change them to what

you can actually physically get and you can't just you know randomly pick a color out the sky you know and and kind of put it on there um because there's always there's two aspects to to the controller stuff. So there's the fan art, which there is no rules. Like you can just go wild, you know, you create whatever you want. But then when, you know, but I'm working with the game developers

and we're gonna sort of manufacture these, then there's a different aspect. You know, you can't, certain things you can't do, you know? All right then, let's see here. Okay, so if you guys wanna ask a question off the air, Please do so. Clubcast at nzixi.com. Email us at Clubcast,

C-L-U-C-A-S-T-A-S-T-com. Y'all ain't sending emails. Maybe we should give something away for the best email of the week. I have a theory of why people are not sending emails. Because it's a boomer technology and no one sends emails anyway. Yeah, basically.

It's funny because we have all these giveaways and we always have to contact people via email. because just to verify if it's like the right person, right? Because it's definitely more, I guess, secure than if we're like DMing someone on Twitter or whatever, we can lie, I guess. But it's funny because we'll email people like all caps in the subject line. Response required. You have won a free PC. Please respond with your address within a month or 30 days to claim your prize.

And then like people will not even open the email. It's just like, dude, you have a free PC, literally sitting in your inbox. Please open your email. Yeah, I think people are not checking their email, man. They just don't use it. Yeah, I think part of the reason why we have to use email, though, for stuff like that is because everybody has to have an email to make accounts for stuff, right? Like, it's very rare that at least here in the U.S., right, that we use, like, a phone number

or something else to sign up for stuff. I know certain, like, I know it's big in Asia. with like Asian companies, Korean companies, Chinese companies, you know, Japanese companies where if you want to sign up for an account on certain social platforms, you'd even need an email, you just use your phone number, right? And they just do things through there. But I think here, like email is so ubiquitous, right?

Like if you want to sign up for an account for Cam, Twitch, Discord, you got to have an email, right? So, but like, but then people don't check them, right? It's like they use the email to send it for stuff and then they don't check the email unless you need it for like a verification or something weird like that. But anyway, we can talk about. Well, you know, all day, dude.

I hate email. I told Ivan, don't email me. I don't care what it is. I don't care if it's the president of Xbox. I don't want to email. Tell them to him to get the DMs. All right, T-bone. All right, we'll do.

Okay, so we have a lot of stuff to talk about, a lot of announcements. Well, it's two big announcements or three big announcements, but there's a lot to them. So first and foremost, we added a mental health channel. This has been live for about a weekish or so, right, I believe. And the purpose of the channel, I'm just going to read the topic here for those who don't know about a Discord server. Discord.g.g.g slash NZXT. It's Discord.org.g. slash NZXT or Discordhomies.com. That's still active. So our mental health channel is a safe place for positive mental health discussion.

Please. Okay, that's pretty much it. The rest is just like a warning for the rules. But yeah, so we have a, I was going to read the whole thing. The mental health channel is basically a place for positive affirmations to talk about, you know, successes in terms of mental health. Not necessarily for advice or things like that because we don't want to be, you know, we don't want to get people the wrong advice, right? Which is why we always advise you to speak too professional, you know, but if you just want to, you know, like maybe just talk about, you know, higher day's been, you know, some good advice for the people, stuff like that. It's been a really great channel, super wholesome.

It's just nice to have like a very, very positive space for just, you know, come and say. hey guys hope you're having a great day or hey i'm not having a great day but i know it's going to get better hope everyone's doing well like i always tell people i'm not a lawyer but i will give you advice exactly yeah that's why i piggyback off actual real people who can uh give the the true advice yeah it's just like i want to build a piece yeah we'll just see these guys to help you with it right um yeah okay and the next one is uh our poochie Poochie's pick. So I'm skipping one, Ivan, because I want to talk about that one last. So congratulations to scrolling up because I'm really bad on the names. Where the heck did I put that?

We're announcing a lot of stuff lately. There we go. Killy. Congratulations to Kili for being Pucci's pick. Every month, the community highlights one community member who follows our community guidelines and embodies our core values. This community member has the honor of receiving the title of Pucci's pick along with extra special rewards. This is our way of showing appreciation for those to go above and beyond for our community. So congratulations to Killie and all the cool stuff that they get, which is the special Poochies Pick Roll for the month, the DJ role on the server, ability to change nickname, emote of their choosing.

So one emote to add in, I don't know if they added theirs yet. I haven't checked. A $20 team gift card, free monies for video games, limited edition. $25? Oh yeah, sorry, it's $25 because that's the minimum, right? We should change that. I just change that template. Limited edition Pucci's Pick stickers

and a limited edition Pucci's Pick shirt then buy the one-only nibler. So if you want to be Pucci's Pick, hop into the Discord. Discord.org.org.com slash NZXT. Be a good person. Help out. Spread positive vibes.

And maybe you too will be Pucci's Pick. All right. So on to the big news. So we've been talking about doing stuff on the server and changing things up for a very long time, haven't we, Ivan? Yes. Yes. I feel like it's been a conversation for like a million years.

So we finally did some things. Well, we, as in the admin team, right, so not just me and Ivan, but the admin team all, you know, put our nose to the grindstone. Some a lot more than others. Definitely not me. But basically, let me see. Let me scroll down and just read the whole announcement here because if I mess this up, I'm going to get yelled at. So the N60 community team has been hard at work and making changes to help refresh the N60 Club experience. Part of the experience is a revamp to the channels on our server.

While we may be removing channels, you know, and love, these topics will now either be allowed in general or a respective channel that we've listed below. Our contests associated with some of the channels such as wallpapers and setups will be getting their own revamp, which will be coming at a later date. You hope to provide a fair and better experience for those who wish to participate. And here are the changes. I feel like I'm reading patch notes. So club content, this channel can be used to show off club awards and experiences. And then office hours, which is for our lovely Alex Chan, who does our weekly streaming help hours. So Mr. Pope, if you want to help getting started up on streaming, you can join our office hours.

I believe it's every Wednesday, unless noted separately, to learn how to stream. Yeah, I'll be there. I'll poop in. Got them. We also added a tiny victories channel, and that could be used to show off whatever you want, you know. If you got, you know, if you did a new recipe and it came out really great, if you have a cool new fit that you want to show off, you know, new hair color, whatever it is, right? Just, you know, tiny victories, you know, give yourself a pat in the back. Well, congratulate other people as well, and offer them.

and paths in the back, which is really great. We also added the, a Battle Stations channel. This channel can be used to show off and talk about your awesome setups. So the only rule in that channel is please don't shame people, all right? No matter what they have, what they're using, a setup as a setup, a battle station is a battle station, right?

Don't be a jerk. Pretty much, they'll be a jerk. We were also renamed a couple channels. We renamed the Homies channel to VIPs, and there's more coming along with that. The levels and ranks will be changing to check your X-Bexam. which is what people use it for anyway. These are the channels that have been removed, right?

Cars, food, streaming pets set up in wallpaper contest, wallpaper, and wallpaper contest. So like we said previously, Cars Food and, well, I guess really used Cars Food can be posted in the regular general chat now or even random chat if you want, right? So the channel is quote unquote gone, but we can still talk about those topics and bring those things up in other places.

along with pets, right? So they're not gone, gone, right? We're just kind of consolidating, kind of bringing more people together to see more of the content that everyone's posting in kind of different places. Please keep an eye out for announcements

regarding our new contests and activities associated with these new channels. Yes, Ivan. Where are you going to be grabbing the podcast are if the wallpaper's channel is closed? I don't know. We'll figure that one out. Pretty much. All right, T-bon.

I mean, we'll figure that one out. That's... Tomorrow's problem. Exactly. It's tomorrow's problem. Pope is now doing all the podcast art. And we're going to pay him in smiles. I see. Sort of.

I've actually, I've done it. That's how fast I work. I only work in 30 minutes, you see. Yeah, it's done already. All the art for all the podcast. It's done. Please keep an eye on for announcements regarding our new contests and activities associated with these new channels. We have more ideas and development that we should be ready to share soon.

As always, everybody, please reach out to the admin team if you have any questions. And, of course, a special thank you to be for leading this initiative and helping set up the channels. Because for anybody who knows anybody, administrating a giant server with a bunch of channels and a bunch of perms is a pain in the butt. And I wouldn't wish it on anybody. So, yeah. And like we said, so there's also an additional announcement. Cars, food, and pets can not be discussed in general. so please feel free to discuss there.

Again, you know, part of the reason that these channels were removed was for low activity, right? And just because there's like, say, five, six, seven people who are in one channel talking all the time, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a high activity channel, just means that the people in there are very active, in which case, you know, we don't want to get rid of them, but we want to make sure that they still have a place to talk about these things, right? Because one of the things when it comes to you adding channels on a server, And this is something that I haven't spoken about a lot, right?

Is that you add too many channels and things just get really muddy and muddled, then people don't hang out in a lot of places, right? But again, you know, we're working on things, give us time. You know, if you have, again, any feedback, any constructive feedback, please be sure to reach out to the admin team and we will hear you out. And I think it's pretty much it. I think it's all, I think a minute of might tell me something to say something. thing and I might have forgotten because there's like a bunch of DMs but I think it's pretty

much it if you have any other questions let us know and we'll answer and see it when it's scroll into chat real quick see if anybody said anything in particular no I got any attack to anybody so there you go so yeah there we go that's a lot it's a lot of stuff what do you guys think pretty cool right I'm happy with it the server looks great right now the organization is impeccable Looks really good. I have no complaints. What do you think I've been? How do you like in the server so far?

So far so good. There we go. Yeah. Easy peasy. Lemon squeezy. Proofed. Yeah. All right.

And other than that, we're nearing the end of the show here. Follow Pope everywhere, guys. Follow Pope. Follow the Pope. Pray to the Pope everywhere. Twitter, Instagram, Pope, Art. Do you have any other platforms that you're on, Mr. Pope, that we might have forgotten?

No, well, I have kind of got Facebook, but I very rarely venture there, you know. I don't think nobody does, to be honest. It's kind of, to be fair, you know, I kind of just use my Instagram as a bit of a holding area just for when people kind of go, have you done a Mass Effect or something? Yeah, just go on Instagram, it's somewhere on there. I only go on Facebook when I want to see what mini cuddle is up to. Yeah, you think the only person from our community that I recognize on Facebook. Everyone else is just like, who is this person? I've got an NZXT, TikTok, do you think?

I've got one of them. Yeah, we actually, we did get our TikTok account and we're verified on there. We just haven't posted on there, but we should. Yeah, I'm just curious. I don't even know if that's still. Is it still? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's probably right up there with Twitter, in my opinion, in terms of like, what the kids are using these days to... Yeah, cool gang, yeah. Yeah. But Instagram's a little different because Instagram, I feel like, you know, if you're an artist, that's going to be your primary platform for sure. Yeah. But I still think most people... Sorry, I did double with a bit of Pinterest and things. things, you know, but I think Instagram, like you say, it's perfect for, you know, just sharing pictures

and, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you have beautiful artwork, you want to go where people are posting beautiful artwork and I don't think it's Facebook. But I think also, you know, I've been with ZXT now over six months and it honestly, it's been truly wonderful, you know, and honestly, amazing people. I kind of say praise you as enough and the quality of the of everything's just just top-notch, you know, so I've really, really enjoyed it. Yeah, and it's been a pleasure having you here too. Yeah, thank you very much. Even though you inherited an Xbox guy. I don't know. It's a much stern on the console wall's mind. I always love it when it's always like some like like random message and like our job.

general or random Slack channel that we have at NZT. Like someone will say something like, man, I wish NZT would make a purple controller with Pucci buttons or something like that. And then the public chime in like, say no more. And like, try it up quick. I can remember who was part of the team. I think the request that something on Twitter.

It was the one at the NZT Xbox, elite controller, you know? And I think they must have thought it was some kind of challenge to me, you know? It was like, 10 minutes later, I was like, what, you mean this? It's like, it was like, oh my God, you know. In fact, actually on my Instagram, that's getting a lot of likes, you know, so I think we're, we might have to dabble in making one of those, you know. Maybe he's, I don't know, a very, very special giveaway.

Thanks. Yes. So I was just telling someone about personal info. So with that, guys, I think it pretty much it. Oh, actually, I do want to say one thing real quick. If you guys have any feedback regarding the gleam that we posted today, where we asked you to retweet, let us know. We normally don't like to have people, like, spam their own feeds because I personally don't even click on those buttons.

But if you notice, the ones that we asked people to retweet was the mental health awareness pinned posts that we have, where we're going to archiving all of our mental health awareness efforts on Twitter. So I felt it was appropriate. I don't think it's a bad thing. You know, it's not, you know, we're not asking you to retweet like, you know, yo, I just answered a giveaway for 20 bucks. It's literally retweeting about mental health, sending out positive vibes.

I think if you keep going that way, we should have a problem. But if you guys hate it, let me know. Seems like it worked pretty well, though. From what I just posted 100 retweets on that, which is nice. So, yeah. You know, yeah, definitely. Definitely retweet anything, you know, not just mental health related, but anything that's based on that can help someone, you know, because it might not mean nothing to you, but it could mean something to somebody else, you know. So it's definitely important to share things around, you know.

Oh, actually, that's a really good thing you mentioned because we did tweet something last night about helping people out. And this is about the COVID crisis in India right now. So for those they don't know, it's like, it's insane over there. It's just like a really, really bad situation. So I'll share this in the chat. And if you guys can retweet as this as well, our lovely community would be really, really great. You know, we have a big platform, right? Have almost a million people on Twitter, right?

And we felt like there was no reason why we shouldn't use our platform to bring to light, you know, some of the issues that we think are important, you know. And especially because we have employees and community members who are directly being impacted by this from India. So, yeah, you know, like here in California, I feel like things are getting back to normal. You know, like I got my first dose of the vaccine. Dennis got his things are opening up. But it's not the same like in the rest of the world. So we're not through this pandemic.

So we still got to help each other out. Yeah, we've been incredibly lucky here in the U.S. Like, we have pretty much like an entire year of what I would say not the best handling, right? And we're just barely now getting into like a really good, like, good-ish, you know, as good as it can be a situation. And it's just, you know, because the U.S. is just such a big country with like a lot of power, right, a lot of buying power and stuff, you know. So obviously that's not the situation. A lot of other places, you know, we're incredibly privileged to just even be able to get vaccines like just down the street. I can walk down to a clinic and probably get one, right?

Like I heard we're at the point where we have too many vaccines now, right? And people have like thousands of appointments open for stuff. So, you know, I think right now, like the greatest thing to India is like oxygen, right? They need a lot of oxygen tanks and stuff for people who are sick. So, you know, help out if you can. If you can't help out, the next best thing is to, you know, give a like, comment, retweet, drive awareness, you know. Again, everyone's platform is important if you're always together.

So it's going to be weird that I'm going to be leading back into this song. But, you know, it's a podcast. And we have podcast stuff, but, you know, there we go, folks. All right, guys. Thank you very much. Thank you, everyone. Yes, thank you very much, Pope for joining. Really appreciate it, man.

Thank you, Pope. Thank you, T-bone. And thank you to everybody who tuned in. Remember to tune in next week at 10 a.m. Pacific Center time on the official NZC Discord server and follow at NZXT on all relevant and irrelevant social media. And send an email to a clubcast at end. nzicc.com if you want to ask a question off the air or else. And don't forget to listen to previous episodes on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts,

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