NZXT PODCAST - #098 - Steam Controller Blues

Episode Date: July 25, 2021

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No. Hello. Okay, there we go. Three, two, one. Hello and welcome everybody to the NZXT Clubcast, episode 98. This podcast is recorded live every Thursday at 10 a 10m, Pacific Center Time, with the NZXT Discord server, community Discord server, and is available to listen wherever you find your favorite podcast,

which would be SoundCloud, right, Apple, podcast, Google Podcasts, Podcast, Spotify. Are we on Stitcher, Ivan? Do you know if that's a thing? I'm not sure if we are, but maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Someone was talking to me about Stitchy the day,

and I was like, I remember listening to podcasts and knowing it's like a thing. And I was like, this is a really dumb name for a, for like an application for apps, for apps for podcasts. Like, I'm not going to use it. I just don't like the name. The name just sounds really weird. I thought Spitzer was like an aggregator of podcasts. I think it is.

So it is, but it also does some stuff like, like, offer like premium episode subscriptions. You can get like behind the scenes stuff. I don't know. It's, it sounds like too much work for a podcast. I also know people do the same thing on like Patreon, right? It's like, yo, subscribe to a Patreon and we get, you know, an extra after hours podcast, which to me is like the weirdest thing ever that like want to just roll all that content and one podcast, but you know, podcasters got to make money, right?

Anyway, welcome to the podcast, guys, Everson 98. This is a redo, but if you're listening, not live, you don't know that, but you do because it just told you. Yeah, so as we were saying previously, the second week, you're going to be talking about some news items, a little bit of tech, a little bit of gaming news, a little bit of other things here and there. We're also live on Twitch as well. Again, after a little bit of a hiatus due to some issues with hardware and software,

but we're back on there. And if you guys like it, let us know, let us know what's good. Let us know what's stuff if you guys like it. We want to hear from you. Even if you don't like it. Yeah, especially if we don't like it, please let us know. It's actually more important you tell us that you don't like it and why, as opposed to telling us that you do like it, because then we can fix things, right?

That's kind of how it works, right? But also if we do like it, let's know because we do like to hear some positivity every now and then. I like I do. I don't know about everybody else here. But I'm down with some good old positivity. How about you, Ivan? How do you feel about positivity? I try to keep things positive, to be honest.

Oh, yeah? Try. Try. It's not always easy, but I think it's important to have a positive mental attitude. We're all trying out here, right? We're all just doing our best. How you been, Ivan? How's your week been so far?

It started off a little rough. I mentioned my daughter, my toddler daughter, for some weird reason, decided to start have sleeping trouble. But she's over it. She slept really good last night, so I got some rest. Yeah, overall, feeling good, man. Feels good to you back in the office. Yeah, I think we were talking about it.

You missed me specifically, or you missed me? everybody? I miss everybody, but I miss you more. So remember last week after the podcast, you know, we started working on a meme together for like an hour. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think you said, you said something like, man, it felt like old times working on this meme. Yeah, you know what? It kind of did. Like back in the days when we were just sitting next to each other and we'd see something on Twitter and be like, okay, let's meme this up,

and then we just go back and forth. forth and yeah yeah like the good old days the good old days and now it's to be so different like and and i think we like spoken about this a couple times we're like oh we'll later just a turn turn to you be like hey i got an idea and you're like oh yeah what's your idea then we'd be on photoshop for like 20 30 minutes like move it a little bit to the left uh move it up to the right and this or that and now like like now i'm i work in this podcast room and it's just full of it's like half my stuff and then half all the podcast gear that you're not you're not you're not using. So I just have like all this unused podcast gear next to me and then I get to hear you

complain about how you need podcast gear at your house. So you should come pick it up for real. So here's here's a thing with the with that with that stuff right. I think it works fine. But the problem with the mixer, right? And it being analog is that you need literal physical sources to plug into that mixer or you kind of don't make. make the full use of it, right? So for example, with the, with the Elgada Wave software, right? I can have every, every program be its own source and I can mix it individually, right? So for example, I can have you be louder, have the music be quieter.

I can play a game if I want to and have that game be a source, right? With that mixer, everything that that you want to mix in, right, like you and me, whatever, has to be a physical thing that plugs in. So, so like for example, we would, so like, You, your mic and my mic are two separate sources, right? If you want to play music, say, like, off the computer, that would be a source that would go in, right? I don't know, like a soundboard, stuff like that. It's not undoable, right?

It's just different considerations when you do things physically versus digitally. And that's actually kind of why I really like the Elgado software. And I would say the biggest issue that I really have with it right now is just not having physical faders, like the little sliders, for audio. Having to click is kind of a pain. It works, right? It's not bad. It's just that nothing's going to be having a physical slider so you can, you know,

slowly, you know, tone it down and then I feel like those clean transitions, right? And I probably could with the mixer. I was thinking off top of my head, it would be some work I'd have to do. It wouldn't be hard,

right? It would be hard. It would be hard. It's just, you know, stuff I've got to figure out. Like, namely, I don't know if I would be able to add you as a separate source. Maybe, yeah, I don't think I would be able to. Because if everything's on the computer, everything on the computer acts as one source, right? If we were both together physically in the same space, then way, way different, right? So maybe the answer is go back to the office for at least the podcast.

Yeah, well, the podcast room's always open for you. Yeah. All right, guys, we got some news for you. Ivan, you're ready for the news? You're excited for the news? I'm ready. I'm excited. All right. So first news item, and this is something that's been popping off over the past couple of days. This is from Tom's Hardware. Amazon Patch's New World to solve dying RTS 3090 dilemma. So this is kind of like an odd title, right? Because it's apparently it's happening for more to more than just one type of video card.

But let me give you guys a little bit of a background, right? I was sorry, I was just going to say I read this morning on J's 2 Sense Twitter, like him saying that it's like impacting all these like AMD cards as well. But it's like, it's funny because J2 Sense is like he's almost like he's going like acting like an investigative reporter on this thing. Yeah. He's like super like into this thing, which I mean it's good because it's a serious issue. you know like no one wants to have their GPUs brick yeah so um yeah so i've i've heard let me see maybe okay so so here's basically what's happening right people are running the game right are

running this new game called new world it's a it's an amazon studios game it's an mMO i've actually been playing it it's super super i actually like it a lot uh i have a 20 70 super so i don't think i'm in any particular danger if that's a very if that's an actual danger and that's what's actually happening um But, so what happens is that people are running the game and apparently there is no FPS cap on the main menu, right? Which makes the card push out like a million frames. Again, this is me exaggerating a little bit, right? But it's pushing out a lot of frames.

And it's putting the cards into super, super load, right? They're working super hard. And apparently that's causing problems with the card where they, where they brick or they quote unquote explode, right? I don't like to use the word explosion or use the word like fire and stuff. because that's, you know, the first thing people think of is like, you know, this thing's catching on fire and is blowing stuff up, right? Which is, from what I've been reading has been happening, they just stop working.

They either like pop, right, or they don't work. What first was like kind of being reported to some people is that there's only really happening with EBGA 30, 30, 3080s for the win cards, right? And what my understanding was really early on was that the issue isn't necessarily the game, it's the video cards, right? Because if you guys remember early on when the cards first launched, right, there was issues with like the cards not working, they're breaking themselves, they were like overloading or something.

And I think it had to do with like bad capacitors or something, right? And if you guys want to like kind of know more about this, again, J2 cents, actually did a really good video when these cards first launched that some of these, some of these cards due to the, due to the lack of availability for, for components, we're using what he categorized as a sub-part parts, right? And they weren't able to handle the load that these video cards slash PSUs that were demanding, which was causing the issues. So, you know, the response to that from the manufacturers from VINI was to basically issue

a patch to cap the load that these cards could take. So this wouldn't be a problem, right? And from when I was reading, like, the loss in performance is like 0.001% or something, right? It's like pretty negligible. You're not losing anything on your card. It'll still work, right? And you still have a really powerful card. So then this game comes out, right?

And apparently is pushing a lot of frames in a manner that's making these video cards act in a way that they just stop working. Right. And then yesterday, what was it, about like, let me find this here because this is on Jay's Twitter. He said he got some emails from some people. Like yesterday at like, doesn't tell me what time here. Like 5 p.m. Pacific time that some people were reporting to him

that they're 9, like 6,800 XTs and their 9800s, there's 6800s from, from AMD were also having issues as well. Right? And people were like, okay, well, it just seems to be 39s and 3080s, right? Doesn't seem to be an issue with anything else.

Mostly centered around EVGA, Right. But now this morning, he was saying that, or I guess this morning slash last night at 12, people are saying they're RX-590, 6800 XT, 6800s, 3080, Ti, 3090s. So it seems to be more of a widespread issue potentially than what we originally thought. So I haven't played this game, but you have, right? Yes. So when, I know it's in beta. And is there is, any sort of disclaimer, like when you install it or start before you start playing? There is no disclaimer whatsoever, you know, just other than normal, you know, Yula stuff.

Same old, same old. I wonder how they're going to handle it. I wonder how many people are going to like, you know, yeah, plain Amazon. Like, hey, you guys fried my card. So they, so they issued a patch yesterday that caps the, let me see here. What did it say? It was on their Twitter Let me find it real quick

I should have this pulled up But I don't It might be on actually Oh here we go New World makes standard DirectX calls That's provided by the Windows API We have seen no indication

Of widespread issues with 3090s Either in the beta Or during our many months Of alpha testing Which actually don't believe It's true Because I think Some person reported

that they played in the alpha And they reported this issue Supposedly but you know Again we don't know Right We don't really know The whole story In order to reassure players

So they say, the new world closed beta is safe to play, period. In order to further assure players, we will implement a patch today that caps frame rates per second on our menu screen, which is kind of weird to be like, there's no problem, but we're going to issue a patch, right? So I don't know if there's like some like, you know, PR stuff. I mean, you and I know, right, like, you know, whenever we have issues with anything, right, we have to answer things in a particular way. You know, you can't really blame people on the PR side or even on the community side for awarding things. in a particular way because, you know, anything you say on the internet,

anything you say is like a matter of public record, right? And if there ever were to be like, you know, like a lawsuit or like that, you have to be accountable to that, right? So I get it, you know, like I can't, honestly can't really blame them. It does suck that people have to wear things like this, but that's kind of the world that we're in, right? So yeah, so they issued a patch yesterday that basically caps, caps, caps of frame rates in the menus, which is apparently where this was happening.

Yeah, so I'm a- weird. I can't recall this ever happening with any other video game. I think it did with one game in the past, and I don't, I was, I was trying to, I was trying to find it. I was, I was trying to find what, there was one of the game that came out a while back where this was, this was an issue. But I don't remember what game it was. It was, like years ago. No, it wasn't Crisis. Crisis was just, it was just beefy, but it wasn't like making cards like over. overwork and go super hard. So here's my take on it, right? I think that this is exposing an issue with these cards, right,

that I think that either thought were fixed or they're like half fixed, right? At the same time, if it seems to only really be happening in this game, what the heck is this game doing that's causing these cards to potentially brick, right? Again, all supposive, right? There's no official statement from anybody. as far as I know, EBG has said anything, none of the manufacturers said anything, AMD, no one said anything, right? New World is just like, hey, we're issuing a patch and that's it, right?

So this is, like, still developing. This is still developing story. So we can't really, like, say anything 100% for sure, right? But what we can say is that there are a lot of people reporting that their video cards are having issues with this game, which is very, very odd. And, yeah, like, you're saying, I don't, I can't really remember, at least in, like, recent memory how you know like what what other games having this issue

is this um this is Amazon's first PC game too right they've had two of the games in the past and those two games have both been shut down but like they it's because they're crucible right crucible yeah crucible and um

something else I don't remember um breakaway was a breakaway was it breakaway? I think so you know it's funny So when I was working, where was I?

When I was like really happy in the FGC, there was this guy who was a homie of ours in the fighting game community. He was a really good Akuma player, by the way, because I wanted to the other one out there, a really good Kuma player. And he invited us to the Amazon Studios office in Irvine to check out breakaway. And I thought it was actually kind of a cool game.

I don't know what happened to it, though, but I know that Amazon's been really trying hard to like get into gaming. And apparently they're not going to stop anytime soon. I think this is the first game they put out that's actually that people have actually cared about and been talking about. It looks awesome. It's really cool. It's a really, really fun game.

You know, like all these issues aside, you know, I've been playing, I can tell you how much time I put in. Some of it's just like sitting in like the menus, right? Which I probably should have been doing knowing this now. I've got no idea. But I will say that once I turn the game on, my fans spin up like like a mother dude,

they start going in hard. But it's a really good looking game. So I just attributed to the game being like, you know, really like, you know, high tech. I have 18 hours logged in since it launched on Tuesday. So take that happy well. Like I said, you know, a lot of it's like sitting, you know, in the menus are like sitting AFK. Because the first day of launch, it was impossible to get into the servers because they were having some server, not launch.

First day of the beta, right? They were having issues with the servers. So like if I logged off, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get in there. People in like six hour queues and all kinds of crazy stuff like that. So, you know, it's typical MMO. beta slash launch, right? Like, if you, if you, if you don't know by now, right? What if, uh, what if Jeff Bezos went into space?

Because he knew this was going to happen and he didn't want to deal with it. He's like, I'm out of here. You're like, I don't want to face the backlash. Yeah. Gamers are scary, dude. Gamers are scary. Yeah. So yeah.

I mean, you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens. Um, I, I don't, I'm not 100% sure if we've had any people or reach out to us about, like, our computers, uh, playing this game. You know, as far as I know, like, nothing officially. I'm sure people have, like, called and asked about it, right? Like, whenever there's anything gaming-wise, they always call on, hey, I heard this is happening. It's going to happen with your computers.

And the probably answer is like, I don't know, like, try it, I guess. Like, you know, we're, like, really far removed from that stuff, right? We don't make video cards, you know, we don't make the games. We just provide the software and stuff, right? So, this really, you know, there's really not much we can do on that. But, yeah, hopefully, you know, hopefully it doesn't affect too many of, like, our customers or our fans or stuff, you know, that would really suck. But, you know, again, you know, RTX20 series users win again

because we've been having our cards for a while. So, yeah, so that's the first one. Second topic, something that you want to talk about, Ivan, the Steam Dad, dude. Real quick, though. Oh, yeah, yeah. What are the minimum specs for that game? Let me see, I can find that for the minimum specs for, this is not the button for that store page. The minimum specs for New World, why isn't it popping up on here?

Hold up. Steam's being weird. Are, according to them here, Intel Core I-214 to AMD CPU with four physical cores at 3 gigahertz, 8 gigs of RAM, RTX 60-670 to Gigabyte, or AMD or better, which I don't believe is true, because this game is pretty good-looking. So that's a minimum. I recommended is I72700 and Ryzen 5, 1,400, GTX 970, and 16 gigs of RAM.

That sounds a little bit more like it. It sounds like my specs. Yeah, I'm playing it all maxed out. And I do get some free rate jobs, but mostly in like the cities and stuff, but just like, you know, if you ever played any MMO, you have like a million players running around doing different things, right? You're going to have performance issues no matter what, right? You can't really solve that. It's just a thing that happens. All right.

Steam deck time, Ivan. What about the Steam deck? What's up with Steam deck? I pre-ordered mine for $5, Dennis. Which model? I thought it was actually an interesting tactic by Steam to just allow you to reserve it for $5 because I feel like it's going to get a lot more people buying it

than if you had to lay down half or even the full amount before getting it in your hands. But yeah, I think it's cool, man. Like, I'm actually really excited about the Steam deck because when the Switch first came out, my first thought was like, I wish this happened to computers one day because it's, I think,

I'm not a huge portable gamer, but like every once in a while, I want to like, you know, just lay in bed and play video games like I did last night with my Switch. But just the fact that you can do that with your, with your Steam library. To me, that's awesome because there's so many games

that were never intended to be portable, and now they will be. And not only that, like, there's a bunch of games that I have on my PC that I've purchased

multiple, I purchased again, because I wanted to play them on the switch. So I'm not going to have to do that anymore, you know. And I think it's cool, too, that they just basically let you install whatever software you want on there so you can like you know put on discord or twitch or whatever you know it's not just like a gaming device it's also

a computer and yeah i don't i'm like i'm probably not going to use it as a computer to be honest but the fact that you can it's pretty neat uh like maybe you know if i'm on the road or something and i don't have my pc then need to like check my email i can right So yeah, I think it's cool, man. I think it's exciting. I got the, I purr to the most expensive version only because just figured why not, you know. It wasn't too crazy. And yeah, I'm looking forward to playing it, man.

So someone on Twitch is asking, why not use a laptop for gaming in bed, right? And I think, I think the reason why is because, like, it's just easier to use, like, a controller or something, right? Like, it's much. Yeah, it's like a laptop to me. it's not really, to me, it's not really like a portable gaming device, although it is kind of is, but it's not like a handheld device, right? It's like to me, portable gaming is more like handheld device. Like if, yeah, I have a laptop, I never play video games on it. Like, because it's like,

if I'm going to play video games on my laptop, I might as well just turn on my computer. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a little different. Yeah, I think like, so like, if you, if you have a switch already, right? Or do you've played with the switch for like an extended period time? It kind of makes sense, right? Because there's been a couple of games that purchased both on PC and then also on Switch. Because because like I want to play him like handheld, right? I want to play him like that nicer, you know, like, I don't know, way of doing it. It's, I can't think of what games I have. I have like, like a, I think about games like like, like Salt and Sanctuary, right? If people don't know what that game is, it's like a 2D Dark

It's really, really good. And like, I have it both on PC, right? I play with the controller. And then I also haven't switched. Play the same thing with the controller. And I just, it's just nice to have everything in like a nice package that you don't have to like set up or plug it in, right? Like laptops have like notoriously pretty bad battery life, right? And if you don't, then they're like super huge, right?

Because battery technology is really wonky. And I think, you know, I think running something like a, like a Steam deck, right, that uses like lower powered, like draw hardware, right? hardware, right? It just makes sense, you know? Like, the switch has a ridiculous battery life, right? And as, as, I'm going to say this, right, as crappy as that hardware is on the switch, it works really, really well, right? And the battery life lasts for pretty much forever.

And this is a really comfy experience. It's also more portable, right? Like, just put in a pocket or something or putting, like, a little, you know, like a little, little zip-up pouch or something like that, which to me just makes the switch much better, right? Like, I, I honestly, like, I bought my Switch almost like on launch, right? And I've, you know, I've, I've still play it, like, not every single day, maybe like once every week, once every other week, you know, depending on, like, how I'm feeling, like, if I'm going to move, just like this

on the couch. But it's a, you know, it's great. And the fact that I can take it wherever I want is, it's awesome. I'm actually, I'm going to put an emulator on my Steam deck and play Nintendo games. I hate that. I don't know why, but I just, I really don't like that. But it's cool that you can there. Yeah. And I won't feel bad about it because I own the Nintendo games.

Yeah. And so like you're going to keep going on about the Steam deck. Like just in general, I was like why it's kind of cool. I think what makes it even better is that it's kind of built from the ground up to be a portable device, right? It's running like custom, uh, custom OS, right? It's taking pieces of to do consideration. It has, you know, what looks like a really good like controller setup. I've been watching reviews on it, right? And it looks like everything's like it's like it's really good. It's really like sturdy to eyes. The track pads are still there from this team controller. I'm, I was, we were talking about this in our Slack and I made a joke that, like, you know, everyone was like making fun of me, right? Everyone would make fun of me when I would say that I really like the steam controller.

And here they are throwing in the track pads on this thing and no one's making the fuss about it. No one's talking about how, like, it's weird. It's weird. The track pads are dope, dude. It actually makes sense to have those track pads, in my opinion, on the Steam deck versus having a controller with the track pads because. I feel like the track pad is so you get better accuracy, right? Like when you play like an FPS game.

And if I'm playing on my computer with a Steam controller and I'm playing an FPS game, you know, why am I not just playing with my mouse? But if I'm playing on the Steam deck, I'm not going to plug in my mouse on that thing and like squit my eyes. Here's two reasons. There's two reasons, right? Reason number one, right? It's comfort, right?

Sitting back and just relaxing and not having to be. and like that like upright PC gamer hunched over position, right? You can sit back in a chair with your arms like in your lap and just play, right? And not have to touch the controller or not, you know, to touch the mouse and keyboard, just kind of like lay a back little bit, right? The gaming position when you're using a controller is much more comfortable. I don't think anybody can debate that, right? That's probably for me the one thing that like controllers have over mouse and keyboards

that you can be a little bit more laid back, right? Like I can play like laying down on my side, right, with like my legs up and it's how my controller up in the air. perfectly fine, right? You can't really do that with the mouse and keyboard. You have to be going to sit in like a certain position, right? Number two, right, the Steam controller doesn't just work on your PC. It also works on the, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, your gameplay from your from your existing computer to like a TV or something right and you know same kind of thing essentially right it's it's basically like a steam deck but like separated from

everything else it just basically you know renders the frames to send it to your TV or something um and that's a I sit with my legs up on my bed too with the PC occasionally put my feet up on the desk then you're just weird dude you're you're gonna hurt your back fix your posture No, but like I've, you know, I've used, I've used my steam deck in the past, like, you know, like my old spot, right? It was just like the one bedroom. So I would just lay in my bed with my steam controller, everything just Ethernet up. And then I would just, you know, play like Jakazar or something in bed or like Resident Evil like two. It was great.

That track pad is great, dude. It's really, really good. I kind of want to get it just for the track pad, but I also don't. But I'm hoping that maybe this means that they'll make another steam controller because I really do this. think it's like one of the best controllers ever the the the the the track pad with the gyro combo is like perfect if you're playing a shooter right you can use a track pad to kind of like you like this kind of wider wider movements to get to where you got to go and then you kind of activate the gyro to slowly like you know left right kind of get those adjustments to get those like nice headshots

it's really really good for like third person shooters for us do they they still sell it uh they don't anymore they they they stop selling it um yeah it's it's kind of ugly like it's definitely like like first-gen, first-gen, like, hardware, right? Showing the... Yeah, I think what bothers me the most from it is not necessarily the track pad,

it's the D-pad. Yeah, the D-pad is really wonky on it. I mean, like, so that's the thing is, like, I really wish that would have released, like, a second version of it, you know, with, like, some improvements on it. But, you know, it is what it is, right? I get, you know, the, the Steam deck is basically,

like, the evolution of the Steam Controller, in my opinion. Like, I don't really, think that, you know, I don't think anyone who really said that. I think that the Steam controller and the Steam Deck are basically like the, like, brother and sister, you know, or brother and brother or sister, I don't know, whatever. They're siblings. Yeah, they're related. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it is a good controller. As ugly as it is, as it is, like, shiny plasticy as it looks like is really, really good. So the team deck can install Windows. I wonder how

well it run Windows. It can run Windows and people ask me for the specs. This is on the Steam Deck page. I'm going to link it to you guys in chat on both Twitch and Discord. Here may my clickety clacks. But yeah, for those who want to know, it's running an AMD, APU, Zent2, RDNA2 architecture. I don't know what, like, the RAM is and stuff like that on it. But I think IGN's gotten like a first look or something at it.

And they're reporting like it runs games really, really well. you know that it's really uh it's it's it's really like like a powerful little little dude um see more about hardware here we go comforts grip buttons i don't care about the grips and stuff bro give me give me the specs why this is a hard to find oh my god i had to go like three three different places to get the specs here we go um zen 2 zn2 apu um gp u u GPU is again it's an APU right 16 gigs of RAM storage depends on which when you buy PCIE gen 2 emmc or MVMEs is it really pretty much it I mean there really isn't a whole lot in here is running a crackin right inside it's got a mini crackin you got to replace a look at every every

every every five days two track pads yeah so so okay so I feel like I need to explain this right So the trackpad's on on the on the steam controller or even on the steam deck. So the way they work is that you can map the track pad to kind of do whatever you want. Right. Like for example, on the leftmost track pad on the steam controller and have a photo here on the on the server. Those who are listening along could probably just Google it. Right. The the track pad can detect where you're touching right, like left, right up and down.

So you can set it as a track pad, right? or you can set it for buttons or something. There's also like different like modes with the Steam Controller that you have. When you like, like example, you can like press in and that I'll activate like a different thing or you can just tap it in. So for example, if I wanted to play, say like Middegere Solid 5, Ray or Resident Evil and use the trackpad and the gyro, you can set it so that, you know, that when you put your finger on the track pad, it'll activate the gyro. or, you know, if you pull the trigger one stage or the second stage, it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll activate it. The, the software suite they have for, for, uh, for customization for controllers on steam is

insane. Like, if you've never hooked up a controller and you steam, there's a lot you can do. They give you a lot of options and how to like, how to configure stuff. It's really great. Um, like, uh, there's like, like, so, like far, like, uh, there's even like, like, there's even, like, community profiles, right? So people have gone in and, like, made their own profiles for a game, and you can, like, browse the community profiles and see which ones you like. It's great. It's awesome.

I think Valve is, like, killing it. Absolutely killing it in this, in this aspect. So, yeah. Can you go one? No. I got money, dude. I'm broke right now. I don't get paid enough to do everything that I do, plus have a Steam deck.

I got that Steam deck money. I'm not Bezos. You get paid enough. You just choose to live an elaborate lifestyle. I don't say it's elaborate. It's how it apartment, dude. Apartments are expensive matter where you go, bro. That's ridiculous right now.

I think the only way I could have maybe lived cheaper is if I lived close to the office, and I don't want to live in industry. Or what's that city that's right above city of industry? La Pente. La Pente, yeah. Yeah, I'm not down. Unless they like revamped that like downtown area,

that downtown area where domestic is, I might actually move there. They put up like, you know. There are condos right there next to domestic. Oh, really? Maybe we'll look into it. I wasn't excited, but it seemed like it at first, but you guys are getting me excited for it now.

No, it's a really cool piece of tech. I think it's, I wouldn't say it's like innovative in a sense, but it's kind of like put a lot of pieces together to make a really good product, right? I haven't played with it though, right? Ivan has used it right so you're all just kind of like you know talking about what we're seeing from reporting but if you believe people who have had been reporting on it it seems to be a pretty pretty capable device does a lot of cool stuff what i'm what i'm curious is that um uh do you know ivan if you can stream

gameplay from your pc onto the steam deck same way like you can't with the steam link i know i know you can stream from your steam deck according to the website just uh stream what like like netflix and whatnot or like games i thought you meant stream your game gameplay yeah yeah Yeah, you can. Okay. So basically same things like your phone, right? So it's even better, right? It's basically a computer.

Like, it's like a handheld computer. Like, literally, that's what it is. And according to Valve, you'll be able to install whatever the heck you went on there. Whatever it is, you can just put it on there. Yeah. Yeah. To me, just that alone is like a reason to have one. I mean, if you're a computer nut, then there's probably like,

the coolest computer ever made, to be honest. Yeah, so here's some info about it. Steam chat, remote play, I guess I was talking about. There's the entire Steam store, Nodys. You'd be part of the Nodie gang on your Steam deck. You can do that. I know they're looking up into, so, you know, it still has the feature for cloud saving, right?

So you can, you know, you can, like, start your game up on your thing. I think what they're looking into is, like, cloud saving, like, on the fly. So, like, you can pause a game on your, PC and then pick it back up on your Steam deck, which is going to be a cool thing that they can do that. I think it's running off of like a, it's a new version of Steam OS. It's built on top of Linux. It comes with Proton, a compatibility layer that it makes it possible to run your games

without any porting work needed from developers. And I think that's the most important part, right? Is that it's not going to require extra work from developers because if, you know, as we all know, if developers got to do more work, it costs more money, and then might. might be less likely to support that platform if they already have platforms in which they're making money already right um is a discord on steam deck i'm sure you can do discord on steam back i'm yeah you could literally do whatever you want so if discord is not already working on that they're big goofy you can install and use pc software browse the web watch streaming video do you

order more productivity stuff install some other game stores whatever you want whatever i say whatever whatever you just do it really quote from valve yeah whatever you can also plug in a keyboard mouse and monitor to it and use it as a laptop. It's a little, not a laptop, but as a computer, yeah, desktop PC. So it's cool, man. I like it. It's a, to me, it's a game changer. So it's just a small PC.

Yeah, pretty much. It's a small PC designed from the ground up for portable gameplay, which I think is pretty, pretty cool, right? And you'd also plug it into your TV. Yeah. It's the other thing. Yeah, they have a deck coming out. I think I was watching the IG where they're saying that any USBC deck will work, though.

So it's like you have to have like a specific one, which I think is super, super great. And that's, you know, that's what I like about, like, about, right? They're really good about, they're really good about, like, allowing you to kind of do what you want with their stuff, right? Like, they really don't care. You know what you're buying games on Steam? Huh?

You know what else you're going to like about it? What? I know you're a big fighting game fan. You can plug this into an old CRT monitor as well. Can you? Yeah. How do you know? It says you're here on the website.

Is it really? That can be plugged into your TV. That can be plugged into your TV monitor or even your old CRT if you have the right cables. So I don't know. That's pretty cool, man. I don't need a CRT though. So CRT only matter. CRT is only really matter if you're playing like old, old fighting games.

Yeah. And I'm talking like old, like old fighting games that are built on CRT architecture. So like, if you, if you rip like a, if you rip like the, what do you call it, the, the board from the arcade machine, you would want to plug it into a CRT, right? Because plugging it, plugging those into like a LED or LCD or or LOD or whatever would, would introduce latency. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know who would do that, but I want to see. I want to see who would do that. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

You can do that. Yeah. How big is the Nintendo Switch screen? I don't know, dude. Nintendo Switch specs. Then you know, the old one. The old one. The old one?

Let's see. It is 6.2 inches, 1280 by 720, but I can't, I don't know what game can run that can run anything at 720. I think like most games run at a lower resolution because hardware. because specs. And then the... So that's the other thing I want... I'm looking forward to about the Steam Deck is the bigger screen.

Like, I'm an old man. Like, I can barely see some things on that switch, man. Yeah. It's tiny. The OLD model has seven inches. It's a seven-inch one. Same size of the Steam deck, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. I think it's a cool device. I won't be getting one right away, but, you know, maybe in the future, I'll, I'll grab one. I don't know. I'm going to be podcasting from that thing.

Imagine, dude. You can. Just like dock it and do everything from there. All right. Moving on. So this is something that I want to talk about, Ivan. And I know you said you have some topics, some thoughts on this. So there's been a huge conversation lately.

Right. We're moving to the streaming space now, right? It's been a huge conversation lately about gambling on Twitch. It's real quick. Hot, hot takes, Ivan. What do you think about gambling? My hot take is that gambling makes anything more fun.

So I myself am not a gambler, per se, you know, but I do, I guess, do some sort of form of gambling. Like I love baseball, so I play this game called Bunn and I basically gamble with baseball cards, right? It's not real money, it's like gambling with baseball cards. But I'm like risking, you know, not risking, but I'm trying to win like these like fake baseball cards. And for me, just that alone makes baseball more fun. And I'm sure if I put money on a baseball game, it's going to make, even if it's $5, you know, it doesn't be like $5 million. Even if it's $5, it's going to make it more fun and more entertaining for me. Even if I lose, at least I'd be like way more entertained during that game.

And when it comes to video games, you know, games like I feel the same way like back when I was a all into CSGO I used to bed skins all the time I love bedskins on CS go back in the day yeah it's like it just makes it makes the matches more fun and like I definitely don't condone any sort of like you know thing that's going to like make you lose your home or destroy your family or anything like that but if if you're gambling and it makes things more fun like I'm all for it. I'm not necessarily anti-gambling. That's not a take.

So I pretty much agree with you, actually. I don't think gambling is inherently bad, right? I think what the problem is, right, is the way that they're going about it on Twitch, right? So you have, so let me look into the article a little bit. I'll clear my throat for a second. Okay, so over the course of the past few months, gambling has become a popular pastime of Twitch's upper echelon

with streamers like XQC, Trainwrecks, and Aidan Ross getting in on the action. Legal gambling is a lot on Twitch, while with the site sponsoring official sections for sloths and poker, in many cases gambling streams are the result of sponsorships from companies with plentiful skin to the game, who often provide streamers with referral codes and currency to blow during broadcast. While streamers are required to disclose sponsored ads, do not always note that they are being given money

with which to gamble. They proceed to sink hundreds or thousands of dollars into slot machines on sites like steak. A self-described Bitcoin Casino, quote-unquote, whose terms of service prohibit U.S.-based users from participating due to gambling laws. However, some users get around this by using VPNs. Big Money Streams make-for-tenths viewing punctuated

by the odd $400,000 payout, but content that is very straightforwardly advertorial nature. In short, gambling streams. provide streamers with high stakes broadcasts and gambling companies with long-form ads watched by thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. So I think here's the thing, right? I think the biggest problem with it is that you're not gambling your own money, right? It's pretty much a giant advertisement, right?

And there was this debate yesterday. There's like some pretty big, pretty big content creators. It was like all over Twitter. It was all over Twitch. It was like the top category for a minute. It was a Hassan, if you don't know him, he's a, He's like a political commentator streamer. There's XC who, you know, is the dude he got banned from Overwatch League like 20 times.

There's a train wrecks, who's a big streamer who does a lot of gambling streams. And there was actually Ethan Klein from H3H3. They were having a whole debate on there, right? And I think that the biggest issue about this thing is that you're not using your own money, right? And it's a giant advertisement, right? And I don't think anybody can say that gambling isn't a problem. for a lot of people, right? And I think when you glorify it in that manner,

that's when it kind of crosses a line between, hey, here's a site, what we're doing gambling, versus you should probably do this, he's a referral code, so on and so forth, right? Like, someone brought up the issue of like, of being sponsored by like an alcohol company, right? But the difference is that, you know, in these like, in these like ads,

they never show people getting like absolutely wasted, right? And like getting like super blitzed out on like Bacardi or something. right but when you're gambling you know hundreds of thousands of dollars you know hundred dollars you know per spin that's kind of the equivalent you're going to get what i'm saying right um and also like it just it just feels kind of scummy you know like something about it just does does not feel right you know and like even if it's legal even if it's allowed even there's nothing like like legally wrong with it i think like morally and ethically it doesn't feel good you know i mean

yeah well that's what i mean like i'm not I mean, like, I'm not, I'm not condoning any sort of, like, unethical or immoral type of stuff going on here. But just in general, I mean, like, putting $5 down on a baseball game is going to make it more entertaining watch. Yeah, no, for sure. And but, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not condoning, like, you know, gambling sites taking over Twitch or anything like that. But personally, yeah, like I said, I'm not a gambler, but I have gambled in the past. past and I don't know Twitch I think Twitch has a lot of things they have to figure out on their platform to be honest besides gambling yeah I see I'm

looking at I'm looking at a lot of this stuff here so so the last part that is a big point of contention among streamers gambling can be addictive not to mention illegal in some places advertising gambling websites means implicitly encouraging people to gamble this has resulted in months of criticism directed at the likes of I don't know what these people's names are Langel and Nicknam. I see gambling's become big these days, popular streamer and YouTuber, most critical, said during a stream back in May, I was watching and it seems a bit dangerous.

I think when you see one of your favorite streamers get a huge payday, you're like, and you're like an impressionable 15 or 16 year old. I think that's part of the problem to you, right? It's like Twitch, Twitch has grown so quickly and transitioned at such a quick pace to different types of content other than just gaming that they haven't really dealt with the things that you deal with right from a legal standpoint from an ethical standpoint you know from just you know what you shouldn't shouldn't do standpoint um you know i think that you know i personally don't think that we should be glorifying gambling right or alcohol use or drug use or or anything like that

on like platform unless there are like there are there are ways for you to kind of like filter that out to specific audiences, right? Now obviously, like, anybody can lie, right? You know, like, you go to any adult website, you just click a button in your inside, right? Oh, I'm 18 and you're good to go, right? But like, especially when like, you know, when like certain states in like, in like the US, right,

don't allow gambling online at all. It's, you know, it's like illegal. You know, I'm sure that Twitch has like data where you're at, right? Like maybe you're not allowed to watch those streams if you're not in Texas, right? We're like gambling online is legal or something, right? Right. You know, if maybe if you're in like California, it doesn't lie to do that or something. I don't know.

It's just weird, you know, it's just weird. I don't think, you know, I think that like, there's also this line where they kind of like skirt between content and like advertisement. And I think that, you know, the way that it's presented is kind of like disingenuous, right? So, like, for example, you know, like you can't have a smoking ad on TV where everyone's, happy and they're like having a great time right like that that's a thing that they did a while ago because it's again supposed to you know like you're you're like you're like skirting the dangers of this activity right um same thing with like drugs and alcohol right like like you know if there's like there's like an ad for like bud light right you don't really see people like drinking a lot having a really great time right they're like doing other things and then just alcohol happens to be

a part of that that like that like a formula right but if like with these it's like you know here's like a $400,000 payout. Holy crap, right? And then those things get clipped. And then they get put onto like, you know, YouTube videos or people watch these compilations. And like, you know, there's no denying, you know, there's something we talked about like the, that we talked about last secret. That the internet sucks. It's a sucky place, right?

The internet's designed to kind of keep you entertained, to keep you engaged with it, to keep you doing stuff. Right. So it's one of those things where it's like, you know, it's, it's obvious that these ads work, right? They wouldn't do it unless it worked, unless people were hopping on the site, using these referral codes, spending a but a ton of money, right? And by proxy, losing money, right? Because one thing that you learn with gambling, right? Gambling 101 is the house always wins, right?

It's just no matter what, you gamble enough, you will lose all your money. That's how it's designed to work, right? You're not supposed to win. Do people win? Yes. But like 99.9% of the time, right? And this, again, this is number, and then pulling it on my butt, you're not going to win, right? So you have to go in with the mentality that you're not going to win anything, right?

And I feel like even if you are, you know, have like a little tiny disclaimer on the bottom of a stream that says, hey, you know, don't gamble because you're going to lose. But then the same time you're playing with house money and, you know, making a butt ton of money, you know, every now and then it kind of like completely like just, I don't know, it doesn't mesh. if that makes sense. What do you think, Ivan? Thoughts? Actually, I do know of a surefire bet. Oh, yeah? What is it? Bitcoin, let's go, boy.

Back in the day, I used to work with this guy who, before he worked at this company that I was at, his job was to come up with the betting lines for sports. And he told me one day, he's like, I'm going to give you a surefire bet, man. This thing never loses. Like, if you do this the entire season, you're going to come up on top. So I actually tried it, and I did come up on top. So this thing is, so in baseball, you know, like most baseball series are either like three or four games, right? And his whole thing, his whole system was if a home team is on the verge of getting swept,

it's like I forget the exact number but it's like something like 78% of the time it doesn't happen so like if all you bet the entire baseball season is just that one thing

where it's like just look at the home team that's about to get swept and bet that they're gonna win you're probably going to win money and I did that for like an entire year but little like for like there's like $5

bets and I probably ended up winning like $20 the entire year but according to hand it's a surefire bet so we should try it Dennis. All right, Pat. Someone's going to like, you know, email NXT now. Like, I lost my house because I took Ivan's gambling advice.

That's not real gambling advice, so don't listen to me. Yeah. I think that, I think that my opinion, Twitch, should just go back to doing video games. There's a lot of content of video games, a lot of money in video games. I get why they want to do other stuff like sports and poker. and, you know, everything else that they do on, on Twitch, right? But I personally like Twitch as a video game platform. I know why they expand, right?

Sports and poker are games. But they're not video games. Yeah. That's why, like, this family. I think it should be more about games than just video games. No, because then you'd have, like, car racing and other dumb stuff that has nothing to do with video games. That's why I rather me.

I wouldn't mind, like, watching baseball on Twitch. or football. I'd like to watch baseball on MLB TV for whatever they want to charge me. So as long as they can watch every game without having blackouts. It's completely ridiculous that I cannot watch the games I want to watch because I happen to live, you know, in a place where this is like a competing market or something. It's super dumb, dude. I hate streaming sports.

It's the worst thing ever. That's what VPNs are for. It's also why people pirate, you know? It's why Steam was created, right? Steam was designed to make the buying experience of video games on PCs as easy as possible. And, you know, piracy for games is like an all-time low in the history of piracy, right? Why? Because you can put in a couple numbers.

You buy your game. You download it. The service is fast. Your patches come in automatically. Everything saved in one spot, right? When I was younger, I used to pirate games because, you know, games were expensive. They were hard to get, right? I didn't have time to go down to Circuit City or whatever and buy a box copy of like,

you know, whatever, a battery film 1942 or something, right? But like they made it so easy that like I don't have to hire it, right? Because it's just there for me. It's, you know, people will value convenience over cost almost all the time, right? It's a known fact, right? Netflix, Spotify, Apple Music, title if you're a weirdo, right? Steam, Epic Game Store, whatever, right? You know, even like Netflix, right?

In like the early days when you just ship a DVD and it would just come to your house, right? Like, you know, it's a, they don't make it easy. They don't make it easy for you and it's annoying. It is. Does anyone still buy music CDs? I don't even know if they make, I think they still make music CDs, right? I don't know where you can put them. I haven't had a CD player in years, but yeah, it gives you put them somewhere.

You can put CDs in your Xbox. I'm pretty sure the the whole market for CDs is just Xbox and PlayStation users. He's put it into their Xbox. Yeah, she's saying car, but my car hasn't had a, hasn't had a CD player in forever. CD players take space. They take like physical space to fit the thing to put the TV into. It's weird. All right, last news topic, before we get to questions.

Oh, okay, so actually two things, two things. Because we're kind of, we're kind of on this topic already. Someone asked, Shisha asked, Netflix gaming. Have heard about that, Ivan? They're going to put games on Netflix. And I guess I'm going to start with mobile, but what do you think about playing video games on Netflix? I love the idea. Really?

Yeah, I'm all for playing video games wherever you can, man. Like, you make fun to me all the time because I have a stadia. but for me, like, I don't care where I'm playing. Like, if I can play video games like on Netflix, to me, that's awesome. Like, I, the more accessible they are, I think, the better it is for the industry. And it's not just about, like, you know, playing on a PC because we sell PCs. Like, I'm literally like the kind of person that I'll play it on anything, anywhere. And I think it's cool.

like the more accessible video games become, I think the better they will get and the more gamers, the better. Soon the whole world would be a gamer. I know they've kind of been like toying a little bit with like more interactive content on Netflix with like, what's that black mirror thing? Benedict Cumberbatch or whatever it's called or something.

I don't know. What are the banner snatch or something, right? where it's like you use your your your your your tv remote to like select options and do like a do like a choose your own adventure kind of thing um i think that's cool right i think it's kind of interesting um yeah i mean you know it's it i'm not really surprised the netflix and move on to or move toward to doing video games um you know i'm do you know if they have any details on like how it's going to work yet or it's just like there's going to do it and like that's it I don't know.

Yeah, I'm looking at all. But now you can play video games the same place where you watch your anime. That's true. That's true. Yeah, I mean, you know, I wonder if they're like release a controller or something that you could like. Netflix controller. Yeah, and the Netflix controller. What do you think it'll get?

So someone's asking if it comes with my Netflix subscription, I would love Netflix gaming. So that's what they also said is that it's going to be free. It's going to come with your subscription. You just start playing. I don't know how it's going to work. But they are saying that they're starting with mobile first. So I think it makes sense to do mobile, right? But I don't know if you just stream it from your phone,

which I don't know how much like that would use in terms of like space or like bandwidth or something. but I think it's interesting. Let me see. I'm looking at this article here on The Verge. They don't seem to have any information on like how it's going to work, but that they're just going to do it. Yeah, I mean, like all these big tech companies are all, they're not copying each other, but they're trying to keep up with each other.

You know, that's why there's, you know, like Google gaming, Facebook gaming, Amazon gaming, Netflix gaming. Netflix gaming, like they're they're not trying to N-T gaming, yeah. Really like reinvent the wheel here. They're just trying to like give people what they want, you know. People want video games.

Yeah. Apart from another thing, like apart from the movies and TV shows and all that, they want to just play video games too, so why not give it to them? So saying here, we're also in the early stages of further expanding into games, building on our earlier efforts around interactivity and our stranger and their stranger things games. we view gaming as another new content category for us, similar to our expansion to original films, animation, and unscripted TV.

By the way, I hate all the freaking reality shows on Netflix, except for Queer Eye. Queer Eye is the only show I care about on that front. Super good, super positive. Games will be included into members' Zizzis at Netflix subscription at no additional cost, similar to films and series. So initially, we'll be primarily focused on games for mobile devices. Imagine Genschen Impa.

packed through Netflix. Use your Netflix dollars to buy Wifu's? I wonder if you can play Netflix gaming on your Steam deck. Oh, that was super meta, right?

I'm going to play Genschen Impact that's already on PC through my Steam deck plugged into my CRT TV through Netflix. And then if it could connect your first-gen steam controller to it.

Oh my God. I wonder if you could. I mean, I'm sure you could, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, because they have Bluetooth and Bluetooth audio, which, by the way, something that the switch does not still have is Bluetooth audio, which is ridiculous to me that I had to plug in a physical wired headset or earbuds into my stupid switch.

They already has Bluetooth on it because of the dumb controllers to get audio off of it. You have to buy like a $50, like, dongle that plugs into the, that plugs into the bottom of the, of the, of, the switch for you to be able to get Bluetooth audio off of that thing. It's like, the Nintendo, please pick it up, dude, it's 2021. Imagine after you finish Stranger Things series, there'll be a gaming part between it. Bro, imagine. It's like, if you want to watch the rest of this movie, you got to beat this boss. Grab your controller.

Hey, man, did you finish, uh, did you finish, uh, did you finish, uh, I don't know, Sherlock Holmes? Nah, dude, the, the, the boss in the middle of the movie was too hard to beat. So I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to finish the movie. I would be cool if movies were like that where you actually controlled what happened in him. I think it'd be actually kind of a cool experiment to like mix gaming and like movies, right? What would be your like, I try to think it's like you know how after you're watching Netflix?

I don't know if you have Netflix but because I think you told me that you don't stream anything on TV. I barely watch TV. Right. So like imagine you're like you're like, you're like, oh, you just finished watching Castlevania. Do you want to play Castlevania? Thanks for watching Avatar

The Last Airbender what's called The Book of Cora. Do you want to play the critically acclaimed Beat him up by Platinum Studios on Netflix?

Grab your controller, gamer. That'd be so funny. Imagine being sponsored by Netflix gaming. I fully expect within the next four or five years to Netflix to include a streaming section so you can stream. Yeah.

I'm sure they will, man. They're like, that's what I mean, that's the whole reason Amazon bought Twitch, right? Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if you can stream your on Netflix gaming the same way you can on Twitch and Facebook. You just watched Beverly Hills Ninja. Do you want to watch Ninja play Fortnite? Click here.

Imagine the algorithm just goes full dumb or something? You just watch Love Island. Do you want to watch a hot tub stream? Yeah, why not? Same thing, right? Same thing. Do you want to watch Dr. Lupo? Dr. Who?

Dr. Lupo? You just watched, okay, this is going to be a throwback because people are going to get this right. But if you get this, is the funniest thing ever. You just watch Home Improvement with Tim Allen. Do you want to watch Tim the Tampman? Play Fortnite. I'm trying to think about other funny connections there. there would be with that. Oh, man.

It's just there's so many, like, algorithmically... Oh, here we go. I'm waiting for chat. Chats got one. Chats got one. You just watch Home Restoration. Do you want to play House Flipper? I refuse to drink the Kool-Aid of paying companies recurring subscriptions from all my

entertainment. There's some stuff I prefer to own. Here's the funny thing. You don't own anything. You don't really own anything. That's his physical media. Yeah. I mean, so, like, that's how I feel about me.

music like I I have a Spotify subscription but I still collect records because I just like having records and listening to music as like my records player you know but I can't do it in my car so that's literally the only reason why I have a Spotify subscription for that here's a difference though right if you're listening to Spotify and then you play a record there's a different experience right because you got the whole experience of like grabbing you know the record you put it on the record player you grab your little needle put it on the right the sonics are different

yeah exactly it sounds way better that's that that's what people say right I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I think my mouse just died crap I'm not gonna agree or disagree with you on that but yeah you know like

there's there's people that say that it sounds better sounds different right so you know with gaming right specifically gaming it's all the same thing to me right like whether whether I play it you know through Steam or I play it you know like with the I guess a physical

you can't really do physical copies on a on a on a PC anyway right but you know if I play digitally through my Xbox or I play with the disc on Xbox it's the same game some experience you're you're interacting with it you're interacting with interacting with interacting with it in the same way that's a really hard sentence to say so that's why I say it's different right I don't like owning my gaming stuff because like I was saying you don't you don't own it anyway right like at like any moment you know they could do you know shut off the the authentication servers or something you can't play a game anymore, right?

Yeah. I'm just saying me with video games. Like, I don't get the people that buy switch cartridges. That's, I, I bought Breath of the Wild, I think physically when I got my switch. And also one-two switch. And I never bought another game again. Because I lost my cartridge, the tiniest thing in the freaking world for like a day, for like a day, for like two, three days, it's going to find it.

It was under my bed or something. Like, I'm never doing this again. I was like, because like, I remember when like, I had like a Game Boy or like Game Boy Advance, right? And they had to buy this little like carrier to put all my games in so I wouldn't lose them. It was dumb little like plastic containers or something. This is a pain in the butt, dude. I can't do it. Yeah.

I'm not down for it. But, you know, I understand why people would have, you know, the, the want to own their, their games, right? I guess on consoles, right? You can't really do it on PC anymore, right? There's no, there's no owning any of your physical copies on PC, right? That's all, that's all dead. That's all gone. That's not a thing anymore.

You just watch Billy House Cop, do you want to play GTA-5? Heck yeah, brother. You just played Avengers. Do you just watched Avengers? Do you want to play Marvel's Avengers? Nope. Delete. That game is so sad, dude.

Okay. last last thing before we get to questions Ivan Jeffrey Bezos Jeffrey Bezos went to the moon What do you say about that? He didn't go to the moon but I wrote the moon And now I can't stop thinking that this fool

Literally flew up in the space Walked in the moon is like yo Buzz Aldrin what's up Shoutouts Shoutouts to the to NASA Yeah but yeah he went to He went to space or like some section of space right i don't know how far you went he launched himself into outer space before he

launched a video game imagine that dude that's pretty cool man like um i i i don't think i would i would want to go to space to be honest like i don't think i'd want to get on a ship and like orbit the earth or anything like that but i think it's cool that you know some guy who had the money just decided like you know what i'm going to outer space give me a rocket I think it's cool. I love when people do wacky stuff like that. So I would love to go to space. I think going to space would be probably the most crazy experience that you could ever have because, like, I was just talking with someone about this the other day of like, you know, like I've never been in the Grand Canyon, right? But I've heard that when you go to the Grand Canyon, you're just like, like, you cannot prepare yourself for the, for the scale of this giant hole in the ground.

It's literally like visible from space, right? Like it's a, it's a giant rip in the earth's crest, right? And like, you know, I've been to some places where, like, I've been like, I guess like amazed at like the scale of something, right? Like a giant building or like a really cool landscape or something. I'm like, damn, like the world is really cool. Like it's a lot of cool things in this in this world to see. And I think being in space and seeing all that as is like this floating orb, to me will probably be like mindbreaking, right? Like just absolutely mind blowing.

I love to go to space. But here's where I get to my, my, you know, want to be angry at everything all day mentality. This will spend so much money to go in the space, dude. Oh, my God. Like, Jesus Christ, like, all the things that could have potentially been done with this money. And he's like, I'm going to space. Yeah, the folks in the Discord chat are saying $60 million for two minutes of space time. like that is ridiculous that is so nuts just like

I saw this this funny post on Reddit there was a picture of a Twitter post because that's where just basically all Reddit is right someone was like they're saying that they missed days when millionaires would like build the thousand libraries or they would like sponsor like the venture or something as like a flex right like things that like help humanity, right?

Or like to provide something to like the world in some way, shape, or form, right? Because that's what you's happened, right? You would be, you would be so rich that you would like sponsor an artist, right? And like, I would argue that Jeff Bezos has contributed a lot to society. Just by the fact that you can like order whatever the heck you want on a website and get it delivered to you, that's amazing. But at what cost I mean, at what cost? I know a lot of people like don't think he deserves all that money, but I feel like, man, like he definitely changed the way people shop. And like, like, I just ordered an air fryer from my, from my front yard.

Air friar gang. Let's go. Airfires are so good. Airfriars are the best. I don't want to go to the store. I was like, let me just go on Amazon.com and buy this thing and like, no, think about it. And, you know, it's like you were saying earlier, I think you said some. and like people will pay for anything that's convenient.

Yeah. You know, and like he definitely made the world really convenient, in my opinion. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't, I don't, I, I don't disagree that Amazon has changed a lot in society in terms of how we buy things, right? And it's changed how we consume products, right? That's not a problem.

I think that's totally fine, right? That's, you know, that's us, you know, getting better at things, right? But I think he's in general, like, like him going to space, right? That act does not benefit anybody other than himself, right? It is a purely selfish act to go into space. He's not going there for research, right? He's not going to, like, discover something. He's literally just, I want to go into space and see this thing and then he does it, right?

But, you know, people have the right to do whatever they want with their own money, right? But when you take it to account, they're like, you know, just, for a fact, you know, just like people, you know, that, you know, that, uh, that, uh, Amazon as a corporation has, uh, what, 150% turnover rate, meaning that at a certain point, right, there would be no more people who would be willing to work at Amazon because their turnover rate is so high they literally know when is staying, right? Or that, you know, you have drivers, you know, who are like, you know, going to the restroom in like a bottle or something or, you know, people are like getting hurt on the job or they're not getting paid enough.

Like, it's, it's kind of, it's kind of gross and kind of like tone deaf, right? Like, like, I he technically doesn't like work at amazon anymore but i mean just be honest he's he's he's still the big amazon boy right i think that's the problem i have with it right like like like like uh like if if bill gates wanted to go into space i'd be like well he pretty much like solved malaria not really right but yeah i'm saying right he's like he pretty much solved malaria like he can go to space if he wants right i think he's earned that and i think that's i think that's what the that's like my my my my problem with the space thing is right like did he didn't do anything there he just went for two whole minutes and then he's like all right

cool I'm done that's it all right so this is space dope bam and he didn't even go into real space he wanted like baby space right let me see him look at this jeff Bezos space uh height I guess maybe height what is it um let's see here uh how high is Jeff base to go into space 62 miles before it falls back to Earth. Basis' Blue Origins, Branson's Virgin, trying to see. Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, like, he didn't even go into, like, into, like, real space.

He went to, like, baby space. He went to, like, pre-space before it's actually space or something. Like, if this full ends up on, like, the International Space Station, then I'd be like, and, you know, like, he went into space space. Like, he's flying out there. because he's not a he's not he's not he's not an astronaut you know and I think for you to get like certain particular reaches of space you have to like um you you have to like be really like physically fit and like trained right you've obviously never watched the fast and furious nine den we we all can't be ludicrous that man transcends yeah so things that it is he he went into let's see what's the what's the what's the the car is that carmen line i'm looking this up now like life live on the internet for everyone here carmen line um is an attempt to define the boundary between the earth's atmosphere and outer

space okay here we go so the earth's atmosphere so there's the troposphere there's the ozone layer the stratosphere is where like jets fly the mesosphere is where like um what do you call it where, what's that called? Where like meteors and stuff hit. The Carmen line is right above like satellites and stuff. Thermosphere, exosphere, exosphere. So like let me, like come talk to me when this guy like leaves the Earth's atmosphere and leaves the Earth's gravitational pull, then we can talk.

I'm trying to see. Yeah, like the highest space jump doesn't even pass like that, that Carmen. line. See space shuttle and space station is like at the thermosphere. So where did Jeff go? Jeff went, Jeff went like right above the Carmen line. I'm trying to see this here. I wish I was someone like, I wish there's a better illustration of this. How high did Jeff go? That's just the top Twitter search. Yo, Jeff, how high did you go? Oh, that's funny. 351,000 feet.

Or, oh, God. Or 106 kilometers. I don't know what that means an American. Let's see. Why? Why is a good question, CNN? Why is Bezos doing this? because he can

like this really is no other reason dude like you went just because he could yeah that's funny yeah I think it'd be to go to space I would love to go to space I you are in space Dennis we're all floating through space right now oh snap dude

but we're not free floating though the earth is but we're not we're we're tether to the earth we can just go where we want we have to expel so much energy to get to the point where we're breaking past the earth's atmosphere. It's actually a pretty crazy, like, if you, if, if, if, if you think about it, like, the

amount of fuel and, like, power that is required for you to just, like, get off the ground and into the atmosphere and, like, past that is, like, ridiculous. Like, it's super, you know, the reason why it's so expensive. It's a lot. It's almost, like, violently powerful, how hard you have to go, you know, to get up there. Rockets go hard, dude. Rockets go super hard. It's how they get up in space.

You have to go hard or you stay down on the ground. That's it. All right. Give me questions time. We have questions here. First question. Who runs the NXT Instagram account? It's a bot.

It's a bot, yeah. Do you guys know when the Pride merch for the fundraiser be shipping? I don't know. Soon, I guess, right? Soon? I'm not sure any exact dates, but I know Amanda is. currently working on that stuff shipped out yeah has a winner the Pred case been announced yet not announced but contacted and computer is being

built I personally saw with my own two eyes here at the office looks really nice was it was I was gonna ask if it's pretty or not did you like it yeah yeah he down for it I mean I took a picture or Josh sent me a picture of it let me up it in the chat so you guys can check it out Did you ask Jeff Bezos how he likes it? It did, actually. When do you think the GPU shortage will end? I don't know.

I don't know either. I probably ask Jeff Bezos. He knows. Is there still a, is there still a GP shortage? Yeah, so shortages and everything, dude. It's not ending anytime soon. It's getting a little bit better, right? but I mean it's

I mean I think even even like was it even like like Nvidia and like MD were saying that they're not gonna that they're they're not gonna see like any real changes until like

2022 like first half of 22 years ago that's in like five months yeah yeah who knows right I mean you know it takes time to like to like you know wrap up all these new

factories and stuff. Like, I don't even know if, like, uh, if like the cars are being built. You heard about the right. There's like, there's like, there's like, a stack of like, F-150s, like, chilling somewhere because they can't get components to build the computers for the,

for the cars or some, or something like that. And like, everyone's going electric all of a sudden. So like, they got to get that going. Like, that's not a thing. Uh, think of whatever see some new peripherals, such as keyboards, mouse, headsets, etc.

Maybe one day. We're always, I don't think it was asked us about future products in a while, but our answer is always, we've thought of everything, we've looked into everything, whether it'll be a reality is, who's the say?

That's way above our pay grade. In fact, I have an NXT keyboard, mouse, and headset. I know B bought a N60 Avatar, right? Yeah. For those who haven't seen it before, the Avatar S,

so we used to make a mice and keyboard, sort of, the keyboard's made by Ducky, and then we made our own mouse long time ago, the Avatar S gaming mouse. Do you know why we stopped making that thing? According to Shin, it just, he didn't,

he just said it sucked, basically. That's like, he didn't like it, yeah. He was just like, he didn't think it was a good mouse. So we stand, there we go. But that's like, that's what we do, right? Like, if we don't like something, if we don't like something, he just won't do it,

this is, so, okay, so actually, I feel like it should read this. from September 21st, 2011, right? NXT Avatar S gaming mouse review. The NXT, the NZXT is a strange beast. On first impressions, it looks small and light and almost too small and too light. After using it for a two-week period for review, I came to love its lightness for casual gaming, hard-cure gaming, and even just plain Windows use. It was actually a pretty positive review. Never mind. Others didn't say it sucks. I had a great time gaming on it. I couldn't bring myself to use another mouse after because it got used to the weight of the Avatar S. Maybe you ever liked it.

Hold up. I'm just curious now. Avatar S. Review. I'm sure if we Google that, as soon as it'll just pop up, right? No. Got to be more specific. We're no longer relevant.

Let's see, who else? You got a review for the Avatar movie? Yeah, I did. Kit Guru. Are they still doing a thing? Think computers. Are they still a thing? I don't eat techniques.

It's still around, right? Let's see. What do they say? We notice you're using an ad blocker. Yeah, I don't care. Seven stars from Kit Guru. I'm not sure that these guys are still relevant in the sense of like you know people are still you know tech sites right um this is not really giving a oh the so the avatar s is like a new

version of the avatar I know that I thought that was just the name name of it okay this isn't really giving a review is just like specs this is E-technics um Let's see. It aims to build on the massive success that came with their last outing into this field via a very popular avatar feature-wise. This article is kind of broken. Oh my God, this is one of those pages that's like separated into like different pages or different pages for the website.

So it's like click down on a thingy. Okay, here we go. This is not, this is a really oddly configured article. Okay, here. Overall, we think NSC have yet again done themselves proud. The Avatar S is a brilliant mouse that plenty of features, great gaming performance, and some of the best aesthetics on the market. It's from E-technics, by the way. Considering the fact that this is only the second mouse they have released, it makes the product that makes the product that a little bit more special. There are some minor problems which slightly tarnessed our overall opinion towards the mouse, but it's hope that NXC can fix some of the problems with the upcoming mice because we can't wait to see what they release in the future.

These are really positive. I feel like, it's like maybe we shouldn't stop making this mouse then. It seems like people really liked it the heck. Here you go, and gadget,

engadgett. This is it. This is it. Maybe this will be a good review, an interesting review here. Full PR text. I don't care about the PR text. I wonder if Andy wrote this one.

Who was our PR person in 2011, Ivan? Was it Wes? No. All right? Not sure. It was Johnny. El Monte, California, by the way. Is that where we were?

That was the old, old office. Old, old. So that's two old offices ago. Yeah. Let's see. A company built on realizing the dreams of gamers worldwide is proud to announce Avatar S, the latest addition to their award-winning line of gaming mice. Innovative features, similar, blah,

enables complete personalization. I'm sure to see some funny PR text here. We designed Avatar S as an intuitive solution that gives gamers maximum personalization with minimum hassle, said Johnny Ho, founder and chief designer at NXT. He was still chief designer back then. Your profile settings could be easily configured and then stayed onto the onboard memory in case you game on multiple rigs. He said calling them rigs in 2011. When gearing up at a land party, the last thing gamer should have to worry about is whether or not their mouse is configured correctly. Avatar S eliminates that headache.

rigs i remember computers used to be called rigs oh man that's so funny i don't see any other any other reviews here i guess you didn't have as big of a of a reach back then when it comes to to uh press outlets but apparently people liked it dude like i guess i guess people really like that mouse so if you if you guys ever wonder what we don't have mice now you can blame shin. He didn't like it so he stopped doing it. Yeah, maybe one day we'll make him again.

Yeah, maybe one day. The Avatar Z, right? I'm not, I'm not so big on the name. Avatar S or Avatar. It doesn't make sense to me, but I think it's funny. All right. I think that's it for questions, right? You got any more questions, Ivan, that you saw while I was reading this amazing press release from 2011? What riveting radio we've, we've concocted here, listening old press, reading old-ass press releases from Johnny. That's a good question, actually. Does having the NXT Club impact your sales positively?

Totally not asking this because someone I closely know is a marketing executive. So here's the thing, right? This is a problem with, well, this is a problem that a lot of companies struggle to solve, including ourselves, in the sense that it's really hard to quantify, the value of community in a dollars and cents perspective, right? We can say anecdotally that we know having a bustling community of people who enjoy us as a company, enjoy the employees and enjoy, you know, each other's company probably does help sales in some way, right? Probably helps endear people to the brand and be more likely to purchase from us, right? Because that's just,

you know, how human nature works, right? You buy from things or from companies that you like, right? And I tend to not buy things from companies that I don't like. For example, I don't think Uber Eats is a good, I don't think Uber itself is a good company, especially all the weird, cringy stuff that they've done and they've got, they have done with their data. So I don't use Uber if I, like, do a drive service or I don't use Uber Eats, right? But can we say without a shout of a doubt that us being on Discord is making us X amount of dollars and not really, right? But that's also not how we handle it, right? And I think that's what you have to do, right?

If you're talking to your marketing executive person, right? If you're going to build a community for the purpose of making sales, then you're going to fail every single time. It's not going to work, right? No one's going to care. But if you start up a community because you want to build a group of like-minded individuals to have fun and, you know, enjoy each of this company and do cool things, then you might get some sales out of it in some ways, shape, or form that's probably impossible to track. track, right? The only way we could ever really do that is if we tell every single person in the server, if you're going to buy an NZXT product, make sure that you use this code, right? In which case, you're no longer creating a relationship with that community member in an organic way.

Now you literally just asking them for money and for them to tell you when they do that, right? But if you do buy something for us to let us know, right? Like, you know, it's always nice to know that you guys enjoy your stuff, right? Yeah, that's a that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's We built this company on free stickers exactly yeah the only reason why we make money is because we have stickers that we give away on our server But I would say that uh you know that's also part of the reason why typically you know People in community roles in customer facing roles don't get paid a whole lot because it's hard to quantify that right Same way with having good customer service, right?

Like we know that if you have a good customer service, people are likely to buy from you or tell people to buy from you. But it's not always easy to quantify that. But that's also why customer service reps will ask people to give them ratings and reviews and let to know how they did, right? Because there's been a lot of research into consumer insights and research into consumer psychology that if you have good customer service, people are going to be more likely to buy from you. whether it's on their own or if they word of mouth, right?

That's the number one thing people look for in a company is customer service. Yep. Yep. Actually, one more question from Shisha, who's asked a couple of times here. How does one get sponsored by NZXT? So, I would probably answer your question by not answering it and saying, and kind of expanding us to different things. Like, how do you get sponsored by anybody, right?

So what a sponsorship traditionally is, hello Ryan, and hello Paito on Twitch. The purpose of a sponsorship is to build a relationship and to advertise, right? So, for example, we sponsor PokeyMane, right? Pokemon is a giant streamer, huge personality. She has a ridiculous reach on Twitch and on Twitter and stuff, right? And she acts like a spokesperson for us, right? People who are watching Pokemon are going to see the NXT ads, right? They're going to see the NXT banners, right?

And, you know, the purpose of a sponsorship, especially at that level, is to remind people that you exist, right? It's like a billboard, essentially, right? Like big streamers are essentially billboards, right? The sponsorships are for people to know that you exist, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we have like spots on Linus. We have spots on, you know, J's 2 cents, right? You know, when you're watching a video and they do like, you know,

and now work from our sponsors and NZC, right? It's supposed to make you remember that we're a thing, right? So the value in that sponsorship is the amount of people that you can bring to that advertisement, right? So, you know, we'll have people who will tweet at us and who will like DM us to be like, hey, I want to be a big streamer. All I need is a computer. I'm like, no, you don't need a computer to be a big streamer. you become a big streamer because you know you you you get the computer from being a big streamer

you don't get a computer to instantly become a big streamer right that's not how that works you know you had to have an audience you have to have um you know something that that shows to companies whether it's nzxte or you know eva or i was looking at my desk here or elgato right um that spending money on you is worth it right so if we were to sponsor say you know know, we sponsored D-caffeinated tea, right? And he has 100,000 viewers on Twitch. And we give him a $5,000 computer, right? We hope that within a certain amount of time we'll probably make that money back, right? And we track that through, you know, through links and banners and stuff like that, right? But if you don't make us that money back and then some, then we're probably

going to reevaluate the relationship and go, maybe you're not the right fit for us, right? So that's that's pretty much how you get sponsored by in 60, right? Or by anybody is you have to have an audience that's big enough to for it to make sense for us to give you anything, right? Typically partnered streamers, you know, like a Lupo, Tim, Courage, Poki, Ninja in the past, right, Nick Marks, whoever else. You typically have like a contractual agreement for X amount a month, for X amount of dollars, right, where we basically pay them almost like salary, right,

for the privilege, for the ability to have our advertisements on their stream, right? Whether it's, you know, a command in chat or a banner on their about section or even like a little rolling ad on like their stream in the corner. So if you want to get sponsored by anybody, you have to want to already have an audience, right? So that finally answer your question, you have to have a question. you have to have an audience. The audience has to be engaged, right?

So, aka you can prove to us, you know, they will click on this link if I tell them to, right? They will check this thing out if I tell them to, right? They will do a thing because they trust me as the content creator that what I am advertising to them is worth it, right? So yeah. So when someone says N60, sponsor me for free, PC, you'll get, you know, you'll get clout off of it. And they have two followers on Twitter.

I'm like, no, we won't. Like, we definitely won't, you know. And, you know, it's not like to be mean or to be rude and say, oh, like, you're, you're small. That's literally how it works, right? Computers cost money, right? For us to sponsor someone, which is to give them money, right, every month, obviously costs money, right? So it has to make sense for both parties, right? I'm not on the sponsorships team, so I can't sponsor Shisha. But I did notice that Shisha shared the podcast on Instagram stories. So what I am going to do, I'm going to follow Shisha as a thank you for doing so. Oh, snap.

There you go. That's your first step towards sponsorship right there, Shisha. Yeah. And I like it too, because according to the bio, it's a meme page. So the memes better be good. Or someone to unfollow. It says meme page and I don't see any memes on here. People say that all the time.

I like it already. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's how it works, you know. We'll have people who will ask us all the time for Spartansterships and then, like, I'll, like, immediately look at their socials. It's the first thing I do is look at their Twitter, right? Because they'll bug us on Twitter. And if I see they don't have anything, I just will tell them next time, Gamer, right?

But if someone who's like a little bit bigger, you know, who actually has an audience, you know, then, you know, I'll give them the, the information for our partnership team so they can, you know, so they, so they can look at that and then they can decide for themselves if someone that they want to start a conversation with and see, like, where that goes, right? You know, yeah, that's how, that's how people get, that's how people get sponsored pretty much, which pretty much everybody, right? Sometimes you might be in a position where you're just big enough for people who just come to you, right? Like, that's a dream where we have people reaching out to you. you, right? But in those early stages, you know, it's a lot of work, a lot of hustle. It's a lot of working on your content, right? You know, and at least I would say with us at NZXT, right, we like to look for people

who kind of embody the values that we have, right? You know, diversity and inclusion. We support all gamers, you know, all that great stuff, you know. Like if you're, if you're, I don't know, it also doesn't make sense, right? like a, I know, if you're of someone who's fishing or something, right, you're like a fishing streamer and you stream, you know, you live stream yourself fishing for cod or whatever, maybe it doesn't make sense to have that kind of sponsorship, right, or something, I don't know. Or like, what are you talking about?

I don't know, you know, just to same, like, you know, for sponsorships in general, like, you know, funny if you say you email NZXT and say, like, I'm a cod streamer and then we look at your Twitch and see you fishing for cod. Well, he's not wrong. Never got an email. I ended asking Denny for tracking details. I don't know. Yeah, DME about that.

Don't, yeah, do you know how to ask you in the podcast? I can't help you with that right now. So yeah, it's pretty much how it works. And I would say that's how it works. It's a lot of sponsorships. The only other thing that, like, other companies have are, like, affiliate things, which is a purely like, a purely like, a, a purely transactional type of, we call it a relationship,

like you have like a G-Fuel affiliates, right? Like anybody can sign up for G-Fuel affiliate status, and you probably get it more often than not, right, if you're even like a little bit big. And you get nothing from them unless you sell things, which is G-Fuel the your affiliate link, right? And that's not a sponsorship, that's just an affiliate. That's a, you get a code.

People use that code. And if you sell X amount, right, you get maybe a payout or something, right? But a true sponsorship, a true partnership would be, you know, there's a contract for X amount of time. You're supposed to do things. The company's supposed to do things. You typically would get paid, right, for that thing,

provided that you meet whatever is in the contract, and that's pretty much it, you know? And then however many months or years, whatever that contract is, they reevaluate. And if you didn't do a good job, aka, you didn't help us expand, NXT into everyone's brains, then maybe we don't work with you anymore. Or maybe we just like you a lot, right? I don't know.

That's definitely I think too. Oh, definitely the sponsor people I think are just cool just because I think they're cool, you know? It's like help them out. So yeah. That's my answer. Do you have a puck? I do have a puck. Is there an overall goal you guys that would like to reach with your company?

I'm not sure. I don't know if you want to answer that question, Ivan. Is there an overall goal you guys would like to reach your company? Yeah. I mean, our vision is to make PC gaming like accessible and easy and the ultimate reporting experience for gamers, right? So that's the goal with the company. It's nothing more, nothing more than that. And that's it.

That's all it is, folks. Trying to take over the world, right, Ivan? It's like I always say. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right, folks. What was your question? I'll answer your question here.

Did you get pinned? Pinned a message. Do you have a puck? Is that the question? Because I said yes. I do have a puck. I have a purple puck. It's holding my rocksmith.

When you send the mod mail. People sending questions on mona mail? Why do you send a question of mod mail for, dude? I'm not a mod. Just ping all the mods. The redeem one? Oh, I don't know how to get to it. How do we get to it?

Just ask it here, dude, because I can't find it. What are your favorite films? Favorite films. Did we talk about this last time, I think? Yeah, we did. Yeah, I think, yeah, actually it was last week. I said Friday. What did you say, Evan?

I forget you saying one. It was back to the future, yeah. Um, we do have a question from, from Twitch real quick. My PC is really slow and always crashes. I've tried everything to fix it and nothing has worked. I still have warranty. Can I still exchange it? Contact support.

Yeah. If it's still under warranty, then we'll definitely help out nzhth.com slash support. Yeah. Like, let's be listened for everybody listening live and not live. If you ever have issues with a product and you're within warranty, reach out to support ASAP. The faster that you reach out to them, the faster you can get it fixed. If you tell us on Twitter, Facebook, whatever, we're going to give you the same answer.

Ask support team because they have all the tools. They have the infrastructure to facilitate a support request, RMAs, replacements, exchanges, refunds, whatever. I mean, we'll give you that answer, right? Like, we'll still answer you, but we can't really do anything for you here. Like, I'm doing a podcast. I can't, you know. Hold up, guys. Podcast pausing.

Let me fix the computer. There was a guy on Instagram the other day. Like, the way Instagram does DMs is kind of weird. It's so dumb, dude. Like three tabs, right? Yeah. It's really annoying. It was really weird.

And then, anyway, so I missed his DM because it was, like, in the request or whatever. And he had commented on a post. He's like, why are you guys ignoring my DMs? I have an emergency, blah, blah, blah. And I click on his profile. go to the DM and he had DM does like every day for like weeks because he's having issues with this computer and there's literally nothing we can do on Instagram to help you you know it's like I just told them sorry you're having issues with your computer man but please contact the customer

service team like I'm not saying don't DM us but I'm saying you guys have issues like then I said you guys have issues with your computer or your N60 product or whatever our customer service team is there to help yeah that's that's what their job is right um phone calls chats, emails, right? Just multiple ways to get to them. And they're, you know, they'll help you way better than we can help, right? I think that's more, I just like for any, for any, like, you know, team, right? Like, I mean, even like Discord will, like, try to help people, right? Like, through, through Twitter, like, mentions and stuff. Like, I see, like, more often not, they'll tell them, hey, submit a ticket so that we can, like, track this for you, you know? Um, so.

Yeah. I mean, if it's something simple, Dennis and I will help on social, but. Yeah, you know, a question like, hey, my wife doesn't work. It has to do with like warranties and exchanges and troubleshooting and all that. Like definitely your best best customer service. Yeah, if it's a question like, you know, like, okay, like example, someone asked, I want to buy a 510 elite. Can I plug in two additional RGB fans in the top and the back? Well, yeah, we can just answer that, right?

Just product questions. Yeah, you can't. Your, your, your, your, smart device, your RGB and fan controller will work with that. okay cool that's it right but if it's like my computer doesn't work okay well you know that's that's something different you might want to go through some troubleshooting right and figure out what that problem is and then determine whether it needs to be replaced or whatever but anyway this is you know general internet customer service stuff right you know we do our best with what we can but you know with the way the social media works they're not really great platforms for facilitating that kind of

conversation troubleshooting thing you know just in general so yeah Yeah. Okay. I think that's it, folks. Have you been struggling to get someone to get someone for the podcast recently? No, it's a little bit of, which has been really, really busy to schedule people. And we want to try different formats and try different things on the podcast before we bring people in, you know? So. Yeah, mixing it up. So you, because, you know, we had like two months. We had like two months straight where we had like a bunch of guests.

And we just wanted to have a little, little break. can also just try different things and see what you guys like. Yeah, you know, and maybe a world exists where we have a guest and we talk about the news. Yeah, I don't know. Like, if you guys have suggestions for someone you want to see in the podcast, you need to do two things. You can let us know in DMs, right? You can ask us in DMs or, you know, during the podcast, let us know who you like. Actually, I'll do it through DMs because I'm not going to read during the podcast.

I'm going to forget. or you can do this you can do this method tag that person on the on the internet like hey at i don't know at bezos you should really be on the nz60 podcast and you'd be surprised maybe that might work right maybe they don't know that a podcast exists or maybe they don't know that people want to see them on the podcast so that's a thing to you right um or you know topics you want to hear about or things you want to suggest you know give us your suggestions give us your ideas give us your your your thoughts and prayers on what you want to do with the podcast. All right, folks, with that, is this too loud? This is fine? I can't tell. How's the volume everybody? Is it good? Is it chilling?

All righty. Thank you for listening, everybody. Thank you for tuning in. Remember to tune in next week at 10-8 Pacific Standard Time of the official NZXC Discord server and follow at NZXC on all relevant and irrelevant social media. And don't forget to listen to previous episodes on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcast, podcast, Spotify, SoundCloud, and I guess maybe Twitch pods if that works. I don't know. I don't know how that stuff works. Also, if you like what you hear, share with a friend. Part of the most important thing.

Word of mouth is big. Thanks, guys, and we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye, Ivan. Later.