NZXT PODCAST - #105 - Cristina Amaya

Episode Date: September 16, 2021

This week on the show we are joined by Cristina Amaya, founder of the Latinx In Gaming non-profit organization! We talk about what it means to be Latinx, music, and crying to Coco. Follow Cristina a...t twitter.com/silcris88 Tune in live every Thursday at 10AM PT on twitch.tv/NZXT and send your questions to: podcast[@]nzxt.com

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Starting point is 00:00:29 Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 105 of the NZXD Clubcast, the NXC podcast, the official podcast with the N60 community. This podcast is recorded live every Thursday at 10 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. The official N60 Twitch and is available to stream on the man on Apple podcast, Google Podcasts, Spotify, and SoundCloud. So click on, suit up, and get into the game, folks, because we're starting for real zies. My name is Dennis. With me, as always, is Ivan. Hi. Hey, happy Latinx heritage month.
Starting point is 00:01:03 Happy Latinx heritage month, Ivan. How are you feeling? I'm feeling heritage-y. I'm feeling great, actually. It's been interesting seeing the response from people when we announced that we were going to celebrate Latinx heritage month. But I wasn't surprised, to be honest. Yeah, neither was that.
Starting point is 00:01:23 The same thing happened when we showed our support for Black Lives Matter. The same thing happened when we showed our support for Black Lives Matter. same thing happened when we showed our support for pride. A lot of people don't like it, you know, and it's kind of sad, but the same time, it also makes me realize that we have to go even harder and double down and like, let people know why we're celebrating these things and just kind of not necessarily put people in their place, but really just explain what we're all about, right? So hopefully today's podcast, with our special guest here is one way of doing that, which is our special guest is
Starting point is 00:02:04 Christina Amaya. I was saying if you just have mid-transition since you've already brought it up. How are you doing, Christina? How are you feeling? I'm good, thank you. How are you guys? Great, great. So for those that don't know, Christina is a person of the world to say that.
Starting point is 00:02:24 So much going on. If you just look at our Twitter, you would just be like, wow, this person does a whole lot. Check out the LinkedIn, folks. Check out the LinkedIn. You'd be surprised. So, Christina is a head of events at Team Liquid on the board of the directors of the International Game Developers Association, founder and president of the Latinx and gaming nonprofit organization. And so much more. There's a lot.
Starting point is 00:02:49 There's a lot. Happy to have you. Very excited to have you on here. I know that we were talking before the show, and Ivan's like, when we were planning and doing this month, we knew for sure, just without a doubt, we want to talk to you and want to talk about your org. So thank you for being with us again, really appreciative of your time. We know you're really busy. No, no worries. Thank you for having me.
Starting point is 00:03:13 No problem. So you mentioned before we started that you moved from San Francisco to L.A. And as me and Ivan are huge proponents of the Los Angeles area, can you tell us why Los Angeles is better than San Francisco for all the haters up there? Oh, man, that's super unfair. So I actually was an L.A. hater, too. I was like, I will never move to L.A. I did. I did say that. And then I'm eating my words as we speak. So I actually really like it here. Don't tell my S.F. friends.
Starting point is 00:03:45 But the food's great. I feel like there's so much. do. Like, if you're really bored, there's always something to do, even in a pandemic, right? Like, there's still hiking and trails and shit. Oh, should I curse? Am I allowed to curse? No, you actually banned. Yeah, yeah. And I don't edit the podcast, so I'm sorry. Whatever you say, is just going to go straight to everyone's ears. Oh, no. I'm so sorry. No, you're good. You're allowed to curse as long as it's not directed towards me. You're allowed to curse towards Dennis. Yes. Okay. That's the rule. Yeah. Good rule. Good rule to have. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, I thought you had more about the food.
Starting point is 00:04:23 No, oh my God, yeah. Sorry. LA's great, actually. The one thing I will say is that when I moved here at the beginning of the pandemic, there's no traffic. So I was like, what's everyone complaining about? There's nothing. And then, yeah, there's definitely a ton of traffic. And it's definitely stressful to drive through. So I will say that I agree with that general assessment of traffic as a role.
Starting point is 00:04:43 But overall, I kind of do like it more than SF. Sorry, guys. Rip. The opposite. For me, San Francisco is my favorite city in the world. I love it up there. Yeah, I wish I could live up there. Out of all the places.
Starting point is 00:04:58 In the world? Yeah. Out of all the places I've been. I haven't been to every single place in the world. But I love San Francisco. I love, first of all, I love the weather up there. You know, it's always cloudy and like 65 degrees, which is beautiful to me. But apart from that, I just love the fact that there's like so many different, like,
Starting point is 00:05:19 neighborhoods in such a small, like, condensed area where, like, you can, in the span of a day, you can literally see so many different types of, you know, different neighborhoods. Whereas in L.A., we have that, too, but it's very spread out, you know, like you mentioned the traffic. You have to drive everywhere here. Public transportation sucks. Even riding your bicycle is very dangerous, you know. I live like a mile from the office and sometimes I ride in my scooter here and it's like
Starting point is 00:05:52 I'm dodging like trailers and whatnot trying to run me over but yeah I love San Francisco I wish I could be there right now actually oh man I don't I think it's nice I just like I was just recently there and had to drive around to go grab like food because other than that I was just in the Airbnb the entire time and driving
Starting point is 00:06:16 around that city is like a pain in the butt, dude. Everything is just like so like out of the way, but also like really close and an odd way. Like it's hard to explain, but it's like it's close but it's far. Like it may be like two miles down the road, but it'll take you like 15 minutes they get there because like the roads are like two
Starting point is 00:06:33 way streets or whatever or one way streets and they're like two lanes and you get to go through all these like wonky looking houses and it's like somewhere purple, somewhere pink. Every house looks the same so you get lost. I couldn't do it man. I got I got That's too much. Yeah, it's too much.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Intimidating. Exactly, yeah. I just, uh... I get that. It's too much for someone as simple as me to handle, right? I just can't do it. Oh, no. I don't call you simple. Gosh, no.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I'm a... I like having like, like, uh, what do you call it? Uh, landmarks, right? Like, the donut shop, the street over there, the McDonald's over there, right? The taco shop over there. If I don't have those, I can't get anywhere, right? The GPS is just useless. Um, so, Christina.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Um, you've done a lot. And before we get into what you're currently doing, I kind of want to ask you a little bit about yourself and how you got your start in the gaming industry. Yeah. So, um, you know, I went to college for political science. Uh, and I have two degrees in political science and then international relations. I really thought I was going to be a politician. Um, but then I did like an internship in, uh, Tallahassee, Florida where I went to college.
Starting point is 00:07:40 And I hated it. I hated what I had to wear. I hated everything about it. So I quit my internship a little early, which is probably I can hear my parents just like disappointment over here. I quit it a little early and then I went to culinary school because I don't know. I thought, why not just bake? I like baking as a general rule. But then I got really sick in culinary school.
Starting point is 00:08:03 I got like some sort of like parasite. So then I didn't get to do my internship for culinary school. What? That's really. Yeah, I guess I technically graduated with. that degree, but not really. But then I went to Pax in 20, I'm telling you guys my age, I guess. I went to Paxx in 2011, 2010, one of those two. And I was like, man, I really want to work in gaming. And I was like talking to somebody at Riot Games. And he was like, just do it. And it was like so simple. Like I could have
Starting point is 00:08:35 realized that myself kind of simplicity. But it took another person in the gaming industry to tell me that for me to be like, oh, okay, this is an approachable thing. This is something I can do. So from there, I moved to New York on a whim. I stayed with my cousin for one month and decided to just try to find a job. And if one month I didn't find a job, I would be back in Florida, probably bartending. And I found a job. I became a social media manager at a gaming company out in New York City. So then many years later, here I am.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Wow, that's really crazy. So you just started looking for jobs and you happened to find one, huh? I very luckily happened to find one. It was listed on Craigslist. What? Yeah, 2012 or something. It was probably not safe to take a job off of Craigslist. I was about to say, yeah, I wouldn't interest anything off of Craigslist, not even a couch.
Starting point is 00:09:25 But it was a really nice building in the middle of Times Square. And, yeah, it was a gaming company, actually. So I did technically start in gaming. And I won't disparage them. It was a really interesting time working for them. I'll say that. I had some really cool coworkers that worked on like the original Red Dead. That was pretty cool.
Starting point is 00:09:43 That's awesome. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. What are some of the places that you've worked at before your current job? Oh, man. So I've worked at Twitch. I was a customer service representative at Twitch for English and Spanish speakers and Spanish speaking partners.
Starting point is 00:10:02 That was fun. That was interesting to see what Twitch complaints you get through. I also worked at Unity. I also ran my own company for a little bit. In events, it's just kind of product. by project basis. So sometimes, you know, I've done projects for really big companies. Sometimes I've done long-term projects. And then I was contracting for Google Stadia through a company called a Deco. And so I got to help launch to the launch events for Stadio,
Starting point is 00:10:30 which was really cool. Fun fact, I love my Google Stadia. And this gives me crap for it all the time, but I swear Google Stadia is awesome. It's a and this coming from a guy who works at a computer company. You know, I have a computer, but I also love my stadia. This is for the NZXT podcast, too. Yeah, exactly. Hot take, hot take. Why do you not like Stadia, Dennis? I guess we'll get into the Stadia hate.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I don't actually like Stadia. I don't actually hate Stadia. I just like making fun of Ivan for anything and everything that he does. That's fair. Yeah. It's a very special relationship. You know, we're just giving sure the crap all day and then just see who cries first. I always lose.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Oh, man. Yeah, it's usually Dennis at Christ first. Yeah, pretty much. So, Christina, as this is Latinx Heritage Month, and we wanted to have you on to talk about that kind of specifically. I feel like this is a really good place I'm going to bring this up. As someone in the Latinx community, did you find a difficult finding work?
Starting point is 00:11:37 Did you find any issues with your background being something that you had to deal with, like work-wise or did you feel like it wasn't like much of a factor at all for you? I do think that being Latin, Latinx, you know, etc. Can affect somehow sometimes like jobs and stuff. I definitely do. I definitely think there's issues with perception, issues with understanding that culture and understanding the diversity of it. I think this story every time, but it's like my favorite story.
Starting point is 00:12:08 When I worked at a company, they wanted to do something. something for Day of the Dead. So they like asked me about it. And I was like, I'm Colombian. So I actually don't have any real insight into this. But I did some research anyways, which they probably could have done. And I looked into it and, you know, got as much facts as I could. I asked my Mexican friends, ones that knew people that celebrated it or did celebrate it.
Starting point is 00:12:37 And try to make as informed opinion as possible. but that was definitely interesting. In terms of like getting hired and stuff, I don't see it. I can't see the differences, you know? So I don't think so. I don't think it stopped me from what I can tell. I like to hope that I'm being judged on my work at this point.
Starting point is 00:12:58 But yeah, you never know. Yeah, it's one of those things where like I, like the story you mentioned about the Day of the Dead stuff really resonates with me because people were asking me questions too, And I'm like, I'm not from that part, honey, sorry. I can help you with that. Like, you know, when I ask someone else or, you know, it's like you're saying, just like Google it, right?
Starting point is 00:13:18 And just learn yourself because, like, the resources are out there. It's not the hard. And it's actually, you know, it's interesting you guys mention that because this is actually the reason why we decided to use the phrase Latinx Heritage Month as opposed to Hispanic Heritage Month or Latino Latina Heritage Month. month because the word Latinx is designed to be inclusive of everyone, right? And if you say Hispanic, you're excluding certain people. You say Latino, you're certain certain people. So we just wanted to find, you know, I'm sure there's probably like no perfect word,
Starting point is 00:14:01 but we just try to find a word that was the most inclusive and not everyone likes that word. And me personally, like, I'm first generation Mexican-American. I'd never in my life considered myself Latino or Hispanic. Like anytime someone would ask me, like, you know, what are you? I'd always say, well, I'm Mexican. And up until, just until, up until recently, like a couple months ago, when we started thinking about Latinx Heritage Month, and I was having discussions with Dennis, my wife, my sisters, my parents, my friends. about this word Latinx, and little by little, I started realizing, you know what? Like, I probably should start identifying as this because, you know, not only on a personal level,
Starting point is 00:14:51 but as a company, NZXT, we're trying to be more diverse and inclusive. And I mentioned earlier, you know, we supported Black Lives Matter. We supported pride. you know so why not support something that encourages inclusivity and just so happens to be that the two guys that are running nz-dxed social media are yeah you know latin-x so it just kind of like well let's just use this word and um it kind of made me a little sad when i read all the comments of people saying like i'm latino i'm not latin-x or i'm offended you're calling me latin-x or uh you know who how dare you as a white as a white company like people just assuming that we're white or people assuming that the people that run social media are a certain race or whatever and it did make me sad but the same time it also makes me happy because i know okay it's probably we're probably doing the right thing because people are upset yeah like and i'll use pride as an example like for pride like we
Starting point is 00:15:57 lost 60 000 followers on social media Yeah, yeah, just because we've supported pride. And just because we had a pride flag in our logo, you know, we lost 60,000 people and it sucks. But at the same time, you know, these are the people that we don't really necessarily want to be a part of our community because they're not, they're not like of the same mentality of like inclusivity and just spreading love, you know. And that's basically what we're trying to do is just spread love and support to all gamers, no matter what ethnicity, nationality are, you know. Yeah. I mean, to that issue, right?
Starting point is 00:16:41 Like, we named Latinx in gaming in 2018. And at the time, Latinx was like, you know, the word that was in vogue. And not to say that it isn't a good word, right? You know, there's, God, there's so much to say here. So let's start with the fact that being Latinx, being Latin, being Latin, know, Hispanic, whatever, is an incredibly diverse thing, right? Like the three of us in this call, we don't look alike, right? We don't have the same experiences.
Starting point is 00:17:08 We don't have the same background. We're completely different people. And we're just three people. Being Latino Latinx, et cetera, it is such a diverse experience, like across the board, dude, like Afro-Latinx is a whole thing. There are people in Latin America who don't understand certain, like, they have different concerns and stuff. So when we create at our organization, we're trying to get all of those concerns under one
Starting point is 00:17:28 umbrella to talk about, not just from a networking perspective, but helping people get hired, helping people get seen. And it's clear that, like, we don't even agree internally, right? And that's okay, because we are diverse people. When it comes to what to call ourselves, you know, what, you know, what you prefer to be called as, I let the person lead the subject, right? I want to be called Hispanic. All right, I'll call you Hispanic, right? This is about respecting you. When people harassed Latinx and gaming, for being called Latinx and gaming, for anything we do, by the way, like, we put on our career fair, we got harassed. We want to. We want to. an award, we got harassed. We get harassed, we get harassed. And, you know, some of those people
Starting point is 00:18:04 are Latino, Latinx, Hispanic, and some of those people are not. Some of those people, especially when the quartering, I think, came out with some sort of thing about this term, got really deep into us. And I remember, like, clicking through a couple profiles, and they were, like, white people out of, like, Michigan. And I was, like, a little bit confused as to, like, the involvement in what we were doing. So I will say that a term that I'm coming to, like, a little bit more like again this is such a large conversation we go on and on but a term I like a little bit more right now is Latinx is inclusive it's gender inclusive it includes all sorts of peoples but what it doesn't include is pronunciation for people in Latin America a lot of people in Latin America it's hard for
Starting point is 00:18:46 them to say Latinx it's like latinx or something like it's really it's actually kind of cute I would prefer just hear them say it but Latin is the E ending and it's gender neutral and it's inclusive in that regard. So I'm trying to use that a little bit more with more of what I do. But we did name our nonprofit in 2018. And in fact, it is our legal name. So if we were to redo that, there's a lot of paperwork. And there's a lot of considerations as well, right? Because I am a cisgendered woman and I don't necessarily have all of the insight that other people have. And so we want to bring in more experts to have this is like a wider conversation about what this needs to be. So yeah, sorry, all that to say, it's complex, you know.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Yeah. It's not easy. Yeah. I think that's the hardest part about it, right? It's like not everybody can agree and not every person from Latin America or that adjacent area thinks the same way either, right? And not just that, but also like, and this is something that I was talking to Ivan about, right? Like they're, they're, you know, just because we are a quote unquote minority, right? Doesn't mean that we are also like left-leaning all the time, right? Like I know plenty of people in my community who are very, very conservative and don't want it and don't want any part of any of any of this stuff, right? So there's a lot of that too.
Starting point is 00:19:59 And that's kind of the difficult thing, right? It's like how do you identify yourself as a group? How do you identify yourself as a person? How do you make sure that when you're identifying other people that you're being respectful, right? So we just went what we felt to ourselves was the most inclusive term. And the way that I described to the people is if one person feels happy and included because we said Latinx as opposed to Latino or Latino or whatever, then I'm happy with that, right? if you're going to be upset about it, be upset for the right reasons. Don't be upset because we're trying to include people.
Starting point is 00:20:32 And I think that's what the conversation gets really modeled, right? It turns into from, you know, it goes from a, let's talk about inclusivity to, well, you're doing this to the language, you're doing that to this. Then I'm like, okay, but like that's great. That's cool. But can we talk about first about all the other people who want to make sure that we're including in their conversation and that they feel her, they feel mad, you know, that they feel obscene? So the conversation about language and how dare you change our language. What? Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:21:00 Like we use slang, we add words. We create things like, you know, there's a word that, seep, like SIP or whatever, is like how my cousin says seep. You know, like it's just really cute C, et cetera. It wasn't originally a word when we created this language who knows how many years ago. Like language evolves, language changes. That's the beauty of it. As we as people evolve and grow, so does our use of the, you know, Spanish lexicon and I just get so like I get so angry at that one.
Starting point is 00:21:29 It's very mind-boggling. Like what you said right now too, it's like, you know, this idea of evolving, right, of language evolving, right? Like, I'm, I'm not super old, but, you know, I turned 40 next month. And when I was a kid, you know, there was no such thing as, like, LGBTQIA plus for example you know and it was like it took a long time for that term to evolve and it's still not accepted all like all over but you know it went from LGBT to LGBTQ LGBTQIA and i feel like the same thing with with latin x or latin or whatever the next you know word of the of the
Starting point is 00:22:24 I guess. It's still evolving. You know, we're still figuring it out. I'm sure maybe a hundred years from now there's going to be a better word that that summarizes what people that are trying to use these words are trying to convey, right? But when I look at the word Latinx and when I say the word Latinx, I understand it's very progressive. Not everyone understands it. Not everyone agrees with it. But at the same time, you know, we're living in the year 2021. We can't just say like well you know i've always said it this way so this is what i'm going to stick with because this is how it should be this is how it's always been you know it's very narrow-minded and it's very narrow-minded and it excludes a lot of a lot of people who don't want to be classified a certain way
Starting point is 00:23:13 right not everyone wants to be called latino the same way not everyone wants to be called latinx not everyone wants to be called Hispanic not everyone wants to be called whatever and it's kind of a It's a challenge, but I think the important thing, you know, is to look at organizations like Latinx and gaming or even companies like NZT who are supporting these things. Look at the reason why they're doing these things. Don't even, don't focus on like the name they're using. Just focus on what they're doing because what they're doing is good, you know, like Latinx and gaming, you know, the fact that they're spreading, you know, this representation of these people in the gaming industry is very important because there's not many of us you know and it's cool like you have three people on this podcast who are you know of Latin American descent who work in the gaming industry but overall there's not that many right so
Starting point is 00:24:14 just look at the intent that would be my my suggestion of people who have issues with the the words being used is just look at what they're doing, not how they're saying it. Yeah. And for me, I'm open to a conversation. I'm open to discussion. What I'm not open to is being harassed. You know, we even have people within the industry, not many, obviously, that are also harassing us or making fun of us or whatever. And it would be like, I remember, I think the worst one was when we tweeted that we were having a career fair called Connexion. And it was, you know, a month of webinars and all this sort of stuff. And then at the very end, There was an actual career fair.
Starting point is 00:24:50 So you had a whole month to prepare your resume, to learn interviewing skills, to prepare your portfolio. And at the very end of it, you were going to be able to meet with PlayStation. You were going to be able to meet with Nintendo. We have people from all of these major companies. It was such a big opportunity for people. And obviously, a solid like 90% of people really loved it. We're excited about it. But people came in to tell us we were stupid, right people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:25:17 like all this sort of stuff. And it was crazy. It was like, dude, like we are, we should, you know, if you want to talk about why it offends you to be called Latin X, let's talk about it. But tweeting a meme at us, making fun of us, making fun of our leadership's appearances and stuff like that, that's not okay.
Starting point is 00:25:32 It's not okay because at the end of the day, we're still human. Obviously, we're still human. We are human. And we're trying to make sure that we're like making room for other people at the table, making room for all sorts of voices, making sure that people are heard and feel represented. Yeah, no. I mean, that's, that's pretty much I feel about as well, right? And like my my like internal
Starting point is 00:25:54 Like want to be edgy response is like if you want to talk about language then I want to see a text message from you to your mom, right? And you're and you're not saying pluma you're saying polygrapho you're saying coche, you're saying all these like really specific like like like really yeah exactly or don't or don't talk to me right because obviously because obviously that point it's not about language. It's just you wanting to not think about these things, which is 100% you're right. You don't have to, but we are. So kind of like deal with it. Right. And I feel like it's kind of the same attitude we've had during Pride, during BLM, during anything we've done, a mental health awareness, right? It's like, if you don't like it, well, too bad, right? Like, that's the, we're not, we're not here for you. Then we're here for literally everybody else. We're here for that one or two people who might feel more included, who feel that we are talking directly to them. And that's, that's what it's for, right? And with and I was just going to end like my own thought here is like there's never going to be a perfect way to do it right.
Starting point is 00:26:51 But the intent, right, is to make sure that we are including everybody. And that's what we should be focused on 100%. It concerns me that sometimes one of the arguments are, you know, against gender neutral language in general, right? You know, people are more than willing to use they and them, right? But then when you ask them to use pronouns, they can't handle it. even in general. And for me, that's such a concern, right? Because at the end of the day, it's,
Starting point is 00:27:17 they're not changing your gender. They're asking you to call them by the gender they prefer to be called. Why is that so hard that it's nothing against you. You're not going to. Why were you so scared of that? What is so scary about that to you, truly? Yeah. And, and I think it honestly, like, I think it,
Starting point is 00:27:37 I don't know this is the right word, but I honestly think it's a lot of narrow-mindedness. Yeah. You know, like, for example, at work in our Slack profiles, you know, we're encouraged to add our pronouns if we want to be called a certain way. And some people do, some people don't. And that's totally cool. Like if you, like me, like me personally, like I really don't care what pronoun people call me.
Starting point is 00:28:03 Like if someone says, as soon as I'm a woman, I'm just going to say, oh, no, I'm actually a man. Like I'm not going to, I'm not going to like really be upset about it. However, you know, there are people who might might be upset about it. And I totally get that. Like if someone, like if Dennis told me like, hey, I want you to refer to me as she or her, I wouldn't blink an eye. He'd be like, no problem. That's how you want to be referred to. That's how I'm going to refer to you.
Starting point is 00:28:32 But a lot of people don't see it that way. A lot of people just see things very like black and white, you know, kind of refusing to acknowledge that, you know, you know, things evolve, like humans evolve, language evolves, the world is evolved. Everything's changing. It's like we can't just accept things because that's how they've always been. You know, we're just, if we do that, then we're just going to like end up even worse than we are right now, right? Right. And another thing, too, like a willingness to be wrong, right? A willingness to learn how you said something or do something is wrong, right? Like, you know, I used to use, because again, this was introduced to me a few years ago, women with an X in it, right?
Starting point is 00:29:17 And some people started telling me like, hey, I actually really hate that term because X, Y, Z. And, you know, I ended up doing a lot of research to figure out, like, what should I use, right? Like, is this term exclusive? Is it inclusive? And people think that it's actually not as inclusive as it sounds. It can make trans women not feel included. And I had to admit I was wrong, right? I had to admit that the thing I was learning to be better wasn't correct.
Starting point is 00:29:43 And I had to grow from that. A lot of people don't seem to be willing. And not a lot of people, I don't want to generalize, but some people don't seem to be willing to learn and to change that sort of thinking and to say, hey, you know what, I messed up. I don't understand the language, etc. And I want people to call me out when I mess up too. I want to learn how to be a better ally because I want people to be good allies to me too, right?
Starting point is 00:30:04 Yeah. Yeah. And I've actually been guilty of doing things that I thought was making me, you know, a good ally. But I was called out and, you know, I learned that, oh, no, I shouldn't be doing it this week. And like, so what happened was, you know, before, before Dennis worked here, before Amanda, Odyssey Grill in the chat here, worked here. And it was just me running social and community. I made the decision early on that I'm not going to allow discussions about your sexuality on our Discord server because in my mind, you know, that would be the safest way to prevent people from getting bullied or harassed or tease or whatever for their sexuality, right?
Starting point is 00:30:55 Like, because I saw it happen. Like people would say that they're gay and then, you know, they people were, the next, the very next line would be like a slur. against them, right? And I was like so fed up with people just making fun of each other for their sexuality. I said, all right, that's it. No more sex talk. And then one day Amanda, you know, she's like, she messaged me and she's like, hey, why is the word gay banned on the server? And, you know, I explained to her why. Then she opened up my eyes and she's like, well, you know, the better solution would be to actually encourage people to speak up about who they are and support. them and let them speak about it. And instead of banning the word, you know, let's just get rid of the people who don't believe
Starting point is 00:31:42 in those things. You know, that's the better solution. And now, you know, you look at our Discord server and, you know, we have people talking about sexuality, sharing their pronouns, and it's not looked down upon. It's actually encouraged. And, you know, like, that's something that I definitely learned and grew from because I always, you know, do the right thing when it came to be an ally, right? And same thing with Latinx, you know, I'm sure a year from now I'm going to know more
Starting point is 00:32:16 and I'm going to learn. And, you know, when we're celebrating next year, I'm sure we're going to do things better. And, you know, like, I just hope that people know that, you know, not just me, but NZXT and a lot of people who are supporting these things. We're all learning and growing. No one's perfect. We're all doing our best out here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Very well said, Ivan. Very well said. Yeah, big claps. So, Gisina, let's get to it. What is Latinx and gaming? What do you all do? Why are you around? How do you get involved?
Starting point is 00:32:54 I don't know, everything. What's going on with this stuff? Everything. Everything. Okay. So Latinx and gaming exists to elevate Latinos in the gaming industry. Whether it be content creators, and we want to make sure that their streams make it to the
Starting point is 00:33:07 front page or help them get deals or help them find managers or help them improve their page, get better graphics, et cetera, whether it be e-sports, helping pros find teams, helping them get seen, helping other people learn what it takes to be a pro, whether it be industry professionals on the marketing or, you know, whatever side. We just want to help get people hired. We want to get them into the room, and we want their voices to be here. heard. Giving them a platform to be heard is super important, right? Like some people don't feel like they have voices. You know, when I started out in gaming back in 2013, 2012, I was legitimately, like,
Starting point is 00:33:45 often the only woman, you know, the only Latina in the room, like, often the only woman in the room sometimes, right? And it just, it was pretty isolating. And I, I remember that I started making Latino friends, right? Like, I started becoming friends with, like, somebody who works with me now, Julian and I had my friend, Nars or Jennifer, and I knew that I could talk to them about certain things, right? Like, whenever something happened at work, where I had an interaction on Twitter or something, I could message them and be like, oh, man, this is awful, or, oh, I can't believe this happened. And I realized that some people didn't have that. They had nowhere to turn to. So we also wanted to create community. We wanted to create a place that you could talk about
Starting point is 00:34:26 that. And so in GDC of 2018, I made a panel called Latinx and gaming, you belong here, because people don't think that they do, right, for whatever reason. Maybe they think, well, I'm just, like you said earlier, Yvonne, I'm Mexican, that's it. I don't see myself as Latino. Or I'm half white. I'm not Latino. I don't count. Or I don't speak Spanish. I definitely don't count. I don't want people to keep thinking that way. There should be no gatekeeping to your personal cultural identity, right? Cultural and identity are a celebration of who you are and how you relate back to a wider group of people. It's something so beautiful as the music, as the food, as the regions you come from, as that national pride you get when you see
Starting point is 00:35:13 yourselves winning the World Cup, right? And I don't want people to feel excluded from that. And I know that even within our own culture, we can absolutely gatekeep each other. I didn't use to speak Spanish as a kid. For whatever reason, I just wasn't picking it up fast enough. And I used to I think I made fun of by it by my, you know, family. Same here. But then, right? It's awful. And then, but at school, I would get made fun of for being Latino.
Starting point is 00:35:35 So I couldn't win. Yeah. So it was, you know, I wanted a place where we felt safe to talk about these things. And we felt accepted for no matter who we were, right? So we built, after that panel, we decided myself won Vaca, Elaine Gomez, Joe Tirado, Judith Barbosa, and then we had for Nano join us. We decided to make this thing. And then we became a nonprofit.
Starting point is 00:35:59 We started growing and we started growing. And we started doing deals with big companies. Like we have PlayStation did a career fair with us recently. Niantic sponsors is every year. Red Bull does events with us all the time. And those are big names and those are companies. And it's so important to have the big, the little, the indie devs, the small, whoever. It's so important to have them all representing here to show that being Latinx matters to everyone, right?
Starting point is 00:36:21 and show that those companies do take us seriously. They do want to hire us. They do want to see us represented. And the cool thing is that we often work with companies' employee resource groups. For those that don't know, an employee resource group is a group inside of the company that is made specifically for the people at that organization to talk about their experiences that sort of identity, be it a woman, be it Latino, et cetera. And I, you know, they didn't really exist in 2013, up until maybe like 2016-17.
Starting point is 00:36:49 And then when I started seeing them in my workplace and started seeing a place I could, you know, interact. So we work with those a lot. And we do career fairs. We're doing Unidos online, October 15th through 17th, which is a stream of all sorts of beautiful content from, you know, a celebration of Latinidad and what that means. Today at 5 p.m. PDT is our first episode of Nuestra Cucina,
Starting point is 00:37:12 which is a cooking show. Yeah, it's very cool. We have a lot of cool guests coming on. They're going to bring their favorite family recipes or whatever abuelitas. Today is an abuelita soup recipe and they're going to talk about it. Both parties are going to make it
Starting point is 00:37:28 because we have a hostess, Lullaboo, who's going to be talking through the whole thing. And they're just going to share, it's just like sharing food together. What's more Latino than having a meal, right? What's more culturally identifiable for most places than having a meal? So I thought that, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:37:42 I think it's really cool. No, that sounds really cute. I love that. Thank you. And Twitch was amazing enough to sponsor that and to sponsor Unido. So we're very grateful for them for all that work. What time does that go live today?
Starting point is 00:37:54 5 p.m. if you are in L.A. or in the PT time zone. I'll have to tell my wife. My wife forbids me from showing anything food related at home because it always It makes me hungry and then she has to like cook for me. Would you guys like to do an episode together? We have a couple slots left. Evan, you should do it. You should do it, Evan.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Yeah, you guys can be together and making a recipe together, and our hostess could be talking to y'all. Nice, yeah. I'll have to ask my wife, but I think that sounds cool. Yeah, I mean, it's worth exploring. Awesome. I'm hungry now, by the way. I'm always hungry.
Starting point is 00:38:38 I actually haven't eaten any breakfast at all. I'm starving right now. By the way, you know, Abolita's soup recipe, that's so funny that you're doing that in the middle of summer because just, Just recently, me and Dennis were talking about this. Like, why did our moms always give us hot soup in the summer? And it's like, I think it's like a Latino thing where like the hotter it gets,
Starting point is 00:38:58 the more you crave hot soup for some reason. And it's true. Like even just last week, my wife made some some hot chicken soup and it was like 100 degrees. And man, I devoured that thing. I was like, this is so delicious. You're sweating tear out. You're like sweating bullets, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:17 The Tia so all soggy because you're here. hands. Yeah. I think you're right. Oh, my God. Because my aunt, when I would stay at her house in the summers, would make me a hiako, which is like a Colombian soup. I was so hot.
Starting point is 00:39:27 What the heck? Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. If you're on a, if you're on a Hispanic people TikTok, it's like a common, it's a common joke. I love Hispanic people TikTok. It's real funny. Like all the parties going on and the kids sleeping on like a chair.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Oh, yeah. I can relate. I can relate. Yeah. Big really, yeah. So, I mean, so if, if, if, if someone of Latinx origin wanted to reach out to you guys and say, take, I was say take part, but I think that's the wrong word completely. But to make use of some of your guys' resources, how would they do that? So we have a lot of communities they can join. All of them are heavily moderated just for safety. But we do have Discord. dot gg slash latinx we have a lincoln group if you're looking for more professional connections we have a facebook group we have twitter we have the facebook page um the discord uh is where i tend to just kind of hang out because i kind of like hang out on discord um as evan knows you message me on here i'll
Starting point is 00:40:37 probably answer within an hour um but yeah if you want to hang out on there uh we also try to do like for fun events too just when people get to know each other it's been a little while since we did one but we did have a movie night. We do cookouts where everybody made their favorite food. Obviously, it's the pandemic, so we're not going to be in person right now. But everybody made food, and we were all talking about it. We had a playlist going. We just released on Twitter this morning our playlist for Unidos.
Starting point is 00:41:01 We're not playing it during Unidos because we don't want to be DMCA'd, but it's really good. It's like Jay Balvin, Ozuna. It's like a party list, and it's made by Fernando. Shout us to Fernando. Yeah, Fernando has a lot of. has a really good taste of music. But if you guys see anything that's missing on there,
Starting point is 00:41:20 message me or post it or tweet at us and be like, hey, you guys are missing this one song. It's great, and we will add it there. We just want to make like a really nice. Do you have, do you have, uh, La Inconforma by Grupo He? Oh man, I got to go look. That's, so we had our NGCT town hall last night and,
Starting point is 00:41:39 uh, we had a Latinx theme. Oh, yeah, they skipped it. before we went live. And I requested that song. And like, right when it started playing, that's when our town hall started. I was like, man, that was like the best song. So for those that don't know,
Starting point is 00:41:55 here's the song right here. I'll play it for everyone. It's pretty. It's a pretty jam. It's actually terrible quality. I'll have been finding a better one now. It's like. It's like being put it from somebody's phone onto a phone.
Starting point is 00:42:10 Yeah, I know. It's a little better. It's a little better. It's an old song, too. So it's not going to. that you know sorry it's an old song but if you if you don't if you don't dance when you hear this song you you don't have any soul like I don't think it's a vanger it's a you know the funniest place I've heard Latin music recently there's a
Starting point is 00:42:35 have you guys heard of the last bookstore yeah yeah yeah it's this really gorgeous old bookstore and there's like like 20 different rooms you get lost in it and I went in there with my friend she had never been. And so I was just going to sit and wait for her. And they were blasting at full volume, loud music. It was like Elvenau, like El Beeper. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And so I was literally just as loud as a club. And I'm hitting in a bookstore, like kind of dancing to myself. Nobody else is dancing. They're all reading books. Totally worth it, though. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:08 I love blasting that stuff whenever I'm anywhere. It's like, I'm sorry. This is me. You had to deal with it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the last bookstore is awesome. It's a good bookstore.
Starting point is 00:43:20 And they apparently are managed by Latinos. So like if you want to request music, yeah, that's so I finally asked somebody. I was like, hey, like, what is this? I mean, it's great. But what is it? They're like, oh, the manager is Latino. So on Fridays we have Latin music. I was like, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:43:35 That's great. So there's a question. The way you said that, they kind of sounded like very reluctant. Like, yeah, you know, he's brown. So we got to listen to this stuff. I'm more of a rock kind of person. But, you know, I guess I can jam to it. I kind of, he definitely gave that vibe.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Or I think he was worried that I was upset about it. Oh, I wonder if that happens a lot. I imagine it does, right? Yeah, I imagine it does. But I grew up with that. And I love reading books. I'm like a huge avid book reader. So my childhood was spent trying to like get through whatever book with like Gloria
Starting point is 00:44:04 Stefan playing in the background at full speed. So, you know, whatever. Yeah. With me and my mom, it was, what was it? It was all, it was all rock in Spanish. So it's like Manan, like all those groups I can't name any of them
Starting point is 00:44:19 because I don't know the names of the group I was like too young and never asked But like if I hear one of the songs I'm like yep I know this song Like oh I know this song right She was a A rockero Yeah no she was
Starting point is 00:44:29 And that's the funny things Like I didn't realize That's what she was until way way later When I was in high school And I was like getting in the metal And stuff like that And I'm like yeah You freaking Metallica
Starting point is 00:44:38 And then like just recently I was over at my mom's and dad's place And she was cleaning And she had her Pandora on or whatever. They still use Pandora because they're old, right? I'm trying to get him on the Spotify. And she was listening to, like, I think it was like Monash or something like that.
Starting point is 00:44:53 And then right after it was like inner Sandman by Metallica and I'm like, like, like, what? And like, Mom, you're like just like, yeah, like, it's a great song. I'm like, okay. Super surprise. Yeah, super surprise. Yeah, she's dead. Imagine if your mom was cooler than you. Wow.
Starting point is 00:45:08 She is, she's a way cooler than me. Yeah. It's actually, I guess that's something. I don't know if it's better, but definitely more different than San Francisco. There's definitely more Latinos in L.A., I think, than San Francisco. So I do hear more Spanish music as I'm walking out and about. I will say that, you know, obviously, like, unfortunately, right, I see a lot of my people in the service industry, making us food, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:45:39 I saw that a lot in San Francisco. But here what made me really happy is I went for a hike. Like I think the LA thing to do is I guess hike with people. You just like, oh, let's go hiking at like really early hours. And it was a lot of Latinos. It was like, art people up and down with music. It was like the thing to do on a Sunday, I guess. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:57 I love that. Yeah, that's why like I remember when I was at high school, I got into a fight with a teacher because he, I forgot what he said exactly, but he more or less said that, you know, like he was calling me a minority. And back then when I was in high school, I was like very, or not very, but I was definitely more rebellious than I am now. You know, and I was like, what do you mean? I'm a minority. Like everywhere I look, there's Mexican people. Everyone around me speak Spanish.
Starting point is 00:46:28 And looking back, yeah, like, yeah, it's true. Like, I never really felt like out of place growing up in L.A. just because there were so many Latinos here, you know. I felt like it was not necessarily like I was living in Mexico, but if, felt like Mexicans ran L.A., you know, like, everywhere you go, like, you don't have to speak English in L.A. Like, you could speak Spanish and walk into a store and people are going to understand what you're asking them. And I just remember, like, arguing with his teacher telling me, like, you're the minority. I was telling him, you're the minority. There's more of me
Starting point is 00:47:03 than you. How dare you call me a minority, you know? Damn. Start shit already, huh? I mean, starting shit early. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you're How was that, by the way, grew up in Florida? So I went to a private Catholic school for most of my childhood. So all of my classmates except for two were white, right? So I would have a very different experience during the day, but then my abuela would pick me up right after school. And abuelitas and moms just take you on all the errands ever.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Like you never, like I don't know about you guys, but I was always sitting in a car board out of my mind or sitting in a department store board out of my mind. That was my childhood. And a lot of everywhere she visited was Latino run and owned. And I didn't realize this till later in life, but I think she was really uncomfortable in anything else, right? So she stuck to who she knew. She stuck to the bakery owned by Orlando.
Starting point is 00:47:55 She stuck to the tailor run by her friend, blah, blah, blah. Then we would go to her friend's houses. And so my daytime was filled with like a very like Catholic in a sort of white sense, that sort of a white purview thing. but my evenings were always Cuban, Cuban, Cuban, Cuban, Cuban to the endth degree. And it was just such a huge contrast. It was great. Loved it.
Starting point is 00:48:19 But looking back, that whiplash must have been a lot for like a child, right? Yeah. I think that's interesting you said that too because a lot of people don't realize how freaking close Cuba is to Florida. It's like super close. And like if you guys have never been to Florida, there's like certain. areas there where it's like you're in in havana right pretty much yeah i feel like um i feel like any place you go to you'll find those like areas where it's like you know it's like a like a i'm trying to think of like the the generic like um name for a place uh little italy right i feel like i feel like
Starting point is 00:48:57 every city has like a little italy right and that's like where all the italians are that's for all the italian food is like if you go anywhere outside of there you're kind of like a bum right um and i feel like you know that's it's it's kind of the same with pretty much any culture, right? Like, I know of a good Ethiopian spot, like, in Hacena Heights, actually, even. And it's really good. You should shake it out. I'm trying to think off what street.
Starting point is 00:49:20 It's off Kalima, but it's like, you know, but, you know, that's like a giant street. Ethiopian food is like one of my favorite cuisines. Oh, sure, yeah. If I can remember. I have to drive out there to find it. If you do end up going there, Christina, let us know because we're pretty close to Asiana Heights, so you can stop by the office and maybe we can grab a bite together. Oh, I love that.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Yeah. Absolutely. It'll be Dennis's treat. Oh, thank you, Dennis. For sure. And you're all scared.
Starting point is 00:49:49 Yeah, no problem. Any time. I'm always down to treat people to Emil. Yeah. Oh, I shared my playlist with y'all. Sorry, my playlist. I shared Fernando's playlist for Latinx and gaming. Yeah, we drop the link in the Twitch chat, but I'm going to drop it again
Starting point is 00:50:05 in case people missed it. Yeah, and they feel free to make comments. I have to remind Fernando to add songs. It's a little bit more modern, I think, this playlist, but we do have others that have like, we have a classic Christmas playlist, because I don't know if you guys ever listen to Latino Christmas music, but it's very fun.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Yeah. I got one and let me know if you recognize this song. I'm sure Ivan does. It's kidding. Feliz Naviidad. No, this one. I would hear this every single year and I never
Starting point is 00:50:38 to steal what it was it was older. Belen? El Guito de Belan. Yep. Everyone's confused. I'm like, what's going on? I actually have
Starting point is 00:50:50 this song on a record from when I was a kid. The record covers like all scratched out. Like I drew all over it. But yeah, I have it. My mom made me record this song. So there's a recording of me singing this somewhere on a record.
Starting point is 00:51:04 That's adorable. That's super cute. A really bad singer, by the way. Don't ask for that. Same here. So I was wondering to, someone in the chat were saying, as a Mexican growing up,
Starting point is 00:51:14 there's a universal playlist that must include El Beeper, La Vaca, and any Los Angeles Asuleas songs. And I was about to say, I'm noticing a huge, lack of, like, the big classics, right? They're like at any party.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Like, yeah. I'm not seeing La Vaca. I'm seeing any Aja Salas. I know. I think Fernando. trying to be real cool. Ah, okay, okay. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:51:38 But yes, I think we should add them. I will confer with him as he's the owner. But I agree with you. La Vaca needs to be on everything. Yeah, it's one of those things too that like, and I'm sure maybe you've experienced this and maybe I've been as well. Like I know when I was younger,
Starting point is 00:51:54 I hated my parents' music. I thought it was the worst stuff ever. I don't want any of it, right? Like I was not about it. And now that I'm older, I'm like jamming to like all these old songs, like old songs, right? But I got like Los Bukis, like, Marc-untenu Siles on rotation.
Starting point is 00:52:09 I got a lot of cumbia on here. And, you know, some mariachi, but I don't think my mom was too, like, too much of that stuff. But, like, it's really funny how, like, for myself as a way for me to, like, connect to my own culture, a lot of it's through music. Because my Spanish is absolutely terrible. Like, I have this issue where, like, I'm not saying I'm too smart folks, right? Just, like, I just get in preface this, I'm not saying I'm super smart. But what I'm saying is that when I was a kid, I read a lot, right? I read a ridiculous amount and I spoke a lot of English.
Starting point is 00:52:39 So I have what I would hopefully say is a kind of like, you know, extended vocabulary in the sense of like, you know, that I just know words, right? I know a good amount of words. And I try to be very specific when I can. So because I don't have that same level of vocabulary in Spanish when I try to speak in Spanish, I'm trying to find the word in my brain to what that means and I can't find it. So if, so for. for me, a way for me to kind of like get rid of that anxiety is actually through music. So like I'll sing songs in Spanish like in the car on my own like super loud and whatnot. And and like comes out perfect.
Starting point is 00:53:15 But the minute I say anything without like any music backing me, I'm like super no salvo kid. Like super bad about it. Yeah. So that's my. That's my way of saying that we need some market tennis at least. Okay, okay, definitely. Music is such a big connector in our culture. Through music, through dance, we, you know, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:53:41 My grandmother had the best memory for lyrics. That's always one of my favorite things I'll remember about her, is that she could memorize any song, something from the 19, so she's born in 1929. Something from the 1930s, she knew it. Something from the 1950s, she knew it. She had all of these classic Big Band Suite style Cuban songs memorized. Oh, nice.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Yeah. I just, you know, every time I hear them, I can't help but things. about her and how some of our songs are like almost feels like a hundred years old right like some songs are classic classic classic and then gumias and old beautiful ballads and you hear them and they transcend generations right you're listening to the songs that your parents listen to now and you relate to them on an emotional level i love that i love how interconnected it makes us feel yeah it gives me feelings of like being that kid asleep at the party right at like two in the morning my parents is still like jamming out.
Starting point is 00:54:32 I was that baby. Mom, I want to go. I'm talking. I know. Yeah, it's funny when I see those memes, I'm always like, yeah, that was me. That was life, yeah. But like, now that I have a daughter, you know,
Starting point is 00:54:47 like obviously we haven't been partying a lot because of the pandemic, but now that I have a daughter, like I can understand why my parents did that because I just feel like, you know, Latinos in general, we'd like to party. We like to have a lot of fun. We like to celebrate, you know? Like, it's always, it's always, everything's an occasion to just gather with your friends and family and celebrate and enjoy life, right?
Starting point is 00:55:13 And looking back, I'm like, yeah, that's what my parents were doing. Like, sure, they were keeping me up to two in the morning, but at the same time, they were letting me run wild with like 20 of my cousins and having a time of my life, basically. And looking back, yeah, those are like some of the best. times I've ever had. So thank you parents for partying. Yeah. For me, music with my parents is kind of interesting. So my parents, they're from two very different parts of Mexico. My mom's from Halisco where basically all they listen to is mariachi. That's it. My dad's from Sakatecas where all they listen to is tamborazo. And growing up, that's like all I listen to from them is mariachi and tamborazo but I love tamborazo music even as a kid it's amazing and for those
Starting point is 00:56:05 that don't know um tamorazo music it's uh there's no words it's just drums and you know saxophone clarinet trumpet and really loud like symbols and things like that and it was invented by the germans who who immigrated to Sakatecas in like the 1800s and it's cool you should play some Dennis if you have some it's I'm looking for for one do you have a recommendation any any bands or new songs yeah I'll send you a link yeah because I think I might know I're talking about but I also don't want to like like play the wrong thing and it's actually kind of a you know why you're finding that it's actually kind of funny because my mom's from Michoacan and my dad's actually from he's from Nicaragua so completely different but it's funny because my dad's basically Mexican because he he's
Starting point is 00:56:58 lived in Mexico for like four or five years or something and then he met my uncle and that's when they immigrated over to the US so he has a really interesting story as well shout out to the CIA let me uh let me send your links you can yeah play this yeah it's really cool music it's it's like i said it's if you listen to it and you think about german polka you're like wow that's literally like a polka okay get ready here we go here we go might be loud all right okay yeah under this yeah it's a funny thing actually i had no idea that's that's what's this is called yeah yeah and then uh i also grew up you know riding horses with my dad and going to rodeos and things like that and this is this is literally like all we would listen to like growing up this was 24-7 my dad was
Starting point is 00:57:58 playing this basically and and uh i don't i don't play 24-7 now but i definitely you know whenever whenever i'm feeling like you know i want to you know get back to my roots is what i listen to yeah we tried asking ivan for a photo of him on a horse once and he he he sent like the most like janky like off like you could even tell it was like a horse photo i'll look for some photos of me on a horse right now um Amanda wants to she wants to elaboration on the CIA comment. TLDR in the 1980s-ish, the Iran-Contra affair was a thing, and the CIA was funneling drugs and money into what would have been communist Nicaragua, and my dad was for a hot minute on the side of the communists, and then you realize this is not a good thing. Everybody's dying.
Starting point is 00:58:46 These people aren't really communist. I'm going to leave it to the left, pretty much. It was a really bad situation back there. That's why I say shout us at the CIA, because they're out here sticking their fingers in every single Latin American country. Oh my God, yeah. The amount of strife we have. Obviously, I studied with the focus on Latam, but Jesus Christ, like, it never ends, man. There's always something. Yeah, and that's why I found, like, all these arguments against, like, immigration and stuff, like, really funny to me because they're like, you know, they should stay over there.
Starting point is 00:59:14 I'm like, okay, well, like, we're the reason why they're, you know, they're here. Like, they left because we, we, we, we as a United States country, right, I do consider myself American, I do live living in America, blah, blah, right? But it's like, we've done some dumb shit in the past, and now it's coming back. to pay us back and now we have to deal with it. And that's that's, and that's how it works. Not to get too spicy, but I would say it's really funny to me. I get spicy, get spicy. The people that are most against immigration are also the same people taking vacations in Cancun with fake vaccine passports like that.
Starting point is 00:59:45 Ooh, hot take. No, I mean, it's true though, right? It's true. It's, it's super true. Like, I saw this video, I think it was on TikTok where some, some dudes like, you know, he goes to the people at rallies and he's talking about like the stuff in Afghanistan. And the people were like, oh, yeah, it's so sad what's happening over there. I can't believe we left, you know, all those poor people, blah, blah. And then the guy said, yeah, well, I agree. We should probably just open up our borders and let them come through. Well, actually, it's like, okay, like, well, what do you want?
Starting point is 01:00:13 Right. Like, what are you looking for? And I feel like that's a very American kind of thing, right? It's like, I want this to be fixed, but I don't want it to like ever affect me. And then we're here like, well, too bad, you know, got to deal with it. So listen to my music and watch my photos of a. Oh my God. I'm sorry. I just saw the photo Ivan on the horse.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Here you go, folks. What is he? I haven't on a horse. That's me. That should be your Twitter put for the month. Oh, my God. That's funny, dude. I wish you could open this picture with the music you were playing earlier. I can.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Hold up. I have more pictures. I just got to find them. For full effect, here we go. wrong browser I got like five browsers up in here for different reasons there we go just imagine this and then imagine Ivan
Starting point is 01:01:06 and then that horse the horse is dancing too my my dad actually has a dancing horse are this really that's cool and this is the music that they train most dancing horses in in Mexican rodeo to dance to this type of music
Starting point is 01:01:27 I'm going to save this photo I'm never letting it go It's funny I actually have a photo Myself on a horse too Sort of but not really I know if I can find it though Because it's on my personal
Starting point is 01:01:39 Facebook and I don't think I'm logging that thing forever But uh I didn't do one telling the story But uh Was it like It was like in like the current neighborhood Where my parents are living now And some dude was like just driving down
Starting point is 01:01:54 Or driving walking down the street With like a horse just like legit there's just a horse walking down this is like suburban Anaheim so it's not like you know anything crazy like that and he's like hey do you want me to give your son a ride in this horse and mom's like sure thing and then that and then there's just there's just a photo of me on a horse as a kid I'm trying to see if I can find it here because I'm not going to lie this this photo's pretty dope I'm sorry that's definitely the 90s though because could you imagine
Starting point is 01:02:23 doing that now they'd be like hell no you'll kid oh no yeah for sure Sure, yeah. Well, I guess maybe like these days, right, they might want the horse around for their medicine. That's true. Had to do it to them. Sorry, folks. Yeah, how to do it. Sorry, folks. This is what you get when you listen to the N60 podcast. So, yeah, music, horses, love it all. I'm sorry, I just can't get over the photo. This photo of Ivan on a horse seat. It's so funny. I'll send you more. I have much better photos and videos and stuff.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Yeah, for sure, because you're like heavy squirt. Quentin in this one, and I'm pretty sure, judging by the lighting in the photo, I'm going to throw it up again, judging in this photo, I'm pretty sure you're staring directly at the sun. So, yeah. Yeah, I want a whole album of this stuff. You know, this with like the right editing, I think could be like a really dope album cover. My mixtape? It could be your mixtape album cover, yeah, for sure. You should do it. So we do have a few questions here for Christina that I saw in the chat that I wanted to are out there. If anyone has any other questions for Christina, disrupt them in the chat and we'll ask them. The first one is actually not a question,
Starting point is 01:03:36 but it's a nice comment that I agree with, so I want to repeat it. And S.K. Vera, how you pronounce it, said, I don't really have a question, but I just want to say, the world needs more people like Christina. And I agree. Yeah, Christina is a very, very nice person and doing very, very nice things. She's awesome, man. And if more people were like Christina, the world would be a better place. Unreal feeds says,
Starting point is 01:04:07 not sure if I'm late here, but does Christina have any tips she might have for Hispanics when it comes to joining other communities without feeling less? I don't know necessarily what they mean by that, but I'm assuming they might feel like out of place joining communities. Do you have any tips for them? I'm trying to figure out what communities they mean.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Do they mean like gaming communities or? I'm assuming gaming communities. Yeah, yeah. You know, bring your full self to the table. Like our panel titles all say, you are enough, you do belong here. Like you are awesome. You know, you contribute something interesting and beautiful to whatever gaming community comes to, to whatever you bring to the table.
Starting point is 01:04:49 And I really bring that with you. I mean, Yvonne over here rides dancing courses. Like, how is that not the course? coolest thing you've ever heard. Like, Dennis almost got kidnapped by somebody riding a horse. Exactly, yeah. You know, just frankly, like, I think what's really cool is having a cultural melting point of people.
Starting point is 01:05:08 I love getting to know other people and their favorite foods and their culture and what they have. And, you know, when you're joining something, bring that out, right? You don't have to maybe interview yourself with every single thing. Although if you do intro yourself with a picture of a horse, I still think that's the coolest thing ever. That's true. Yeah. honestly, like, put yourself out there for the,
Starting point is 01:05:27 and if people don't accept that being Latino is part of who you are, then they don't really deserve to have you in their community, quite frankly, because it is part of who you are, and that matters. So Unreal feeds elaborated here, they said, I'm just always insecure in gaming communities because I'm always scared how they might react to me, having an accent, or finding out I'm not like them. So Unreal Feed is Mexican. So I yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's like I guess my advice would be just a lot of that's probably in your head to be honest.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Like a lot of times people think everyone's staring at them when in reality like they don't even noticing you. You know, just because you have an accent and doesn't doesn't mean you're any different than anyone. It just means you have an accent. You know, it's not that big of a deal to have an accent. I think everyone has an accent. Yeah. So I was just, my advice to them would be just, you know, don't let it get to your head so much. Just understand, you know, it's okay to be different because being different is what actually makes a community, a community.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Because if a community was just all the same people, is that really community? You know, it might be, but kind of not really. you know, it's our differences that kind of help us grow and be better. So embrace it, you know, embrace the fact that you're different and embrace the fact that you have an opportunity to teach others about yourself and why you're different. And don't be shy about your accent, you know. The fact that you speak another language is incredible, unimpressive. In the U.S., I think we have a pretty low number of people who can, you know, speak two languages at once, right? And here you are learning English, which is not easy.
Starting point is 01:07:19 to learn, like, by any means, and coming into the room and speaking with people, and if they can't respect that, if they can't respect you for who you are, they don't deserve you, right? Like, this is a huge part of who you are. You are proud to be Mexican. You're proud to be who you, you know, you're proud of your culture and your identity. Don't let anybody take that away from you, and that community isn't for you. And I will say there's hundreds of gaming communities meant for one game alone, right? There's hundreds of gaming communities for CSGO, hundreds of gaming, like, thousands of gaming communities for League of Legends. You'll find a place. Keep looking if you can't find them now.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Yeah. And the sad reality is, too, is that in my experience, most gaming communities have some toxicity in them. You know, I've been called slurs and bad words and whatever, just from people hearing my voice as well. So that's another thing I think. You have to understand, like, I'm not saying you have to expect this toxicity. but just know that, you know, there's people like that out there, unfortunately.
Starting point is 01:08:23 And those people don't really matter, you know, like if someone is mad or treating you bad because you're Mexican, then they're the one that's wrong, not you know. So to stay strong and be yourself and embrace your differences. Yeah. And I would also say, too, like, like, Find a space, right? Like try to find a space where people accept you. People want to be around you. People, you know, I wasn't say worship.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Worship is the wrong way. I don't know. I'm using the wrong words. Cherish you, right? As it for, for who you are. Not to like, you know, plug my own stuff, but like, for example, in my own discord, like, I try to, I try to kind of cater it to a few of the Hispanic people I know who are, like, in the, in the N60 community, right?
Starting point is 01:09:16 And we'll talk about, like, a bunch of, like, Mexican shit all day pretty much. or whatever, right? Whether it's like music or food or, you know, like, you know, things like hip hop and, and stuff like that, you know, there's also nothing wrong with, like, creating your own space, you know, and like filling it with people who you want to be around, who you know are going to respect you and vice versa. And not just that, but just people that you can have, like, a fun time with and also play some games, right? Because I think ultimately, that's like the big thing, right? Just hanging out with folks, you know, having a good time and playing some games. At least for me, that's really all I want. I'm a very simple person that way.
Starting point is 01:09:49 It's not simple. No, it's not. I have a question here from It's Laura Bear. And it's Laura Bear wants to know. How do you think Coco the movie impacted, not just the Latinx community, but everyone who speaks about it and how it's broadest visibility.
Starting point is 01:10:10 What was your experience if you've watched it? I cry every single time I watch Coco. without fail, it is so embarrassing. Dennis, can you play remember me, please? No, I will cry. And you guys are just going to have to keep that clip forever. I love what Coco did. Obviously, we're not perfect in how we are approaching
Starting point is 01:10:32 the complexity and the diversity of Latinx issues, but it was such a love song to Mexico and such a love song to the importance of family in Latin America. And I remember, I'm a really big Disney fan, so bear with me. I remember watching one of the behind-the-scenes specials about how for the abuela, the family matriarch, she had a spoon, and she was supposed to like hit them over the head with a spoon and stuff. And somebody was like, actually, she would have a chancel. Like, this is culturally, it's a small detail.
Starting point is 01:11:02 But to us, when we see it, we're like, I did have a shoe thrown at me once. I totally remember that, you know, or more than that. But it was so impactful. And they made a really cool video last year, and I'll have to find it. And it was like all the Latinos that worked on or around Coco and why they loved it and what they really liked about it. And it was, I cried the entire thing because they weren't trying to be emotional or anything, but sometimes they would be like, and I got to work on a project and I hope my dad's proud of me and stuff like that. I love it. And I know that we're having a Colombian movie and coming out Encanto coming out next year.
Starting point is 01:11:37 I will say that I wish, I know this is spicy, but I wish it was a Colombian music producer on it and not Lin-Manuel. Miranda. He's great in all, but like, he's, he's, you know, I, I want Colombian stories told by Colombian people. And so I guess that would be really my, my only comment in terms of, like, they're not getting it perfect. They're improving. But we should push Disney and other, you know, content creators in terms of game development, in terms of movies, to do a little bit more. Yeah. So I was going to throw on real quick. I haven't before saying anything. I like Limo, Minmo Manuel Miranda, but I'm also kind of like super tired of them too. Like listen to you like you're great good job on everything you're doing
Starting point is 01:12:18 Stop for a second He's awesome He is I'm just I'm just tired of him You know I feel like I've seen him everywhere in the past like two years You know It's okay to see him everywhere But I will say that I have Puerto Rican friends who do not like him That they think that he's actually not good for Puerto Rico
Starting point is 01:12:34 Really? Yeah my friend Corali Who runs PRGDA with a group of other people She basically said that he was supposed to host a free show at their university of Hamilton, which right, you know, the prices for Hamilton are absurd for even us. I can't imagine those prices flying in Latin American, you know, sort of spaces. But then he had it instead at a really private, nice venue, basically a huge slap in the face to Puerto Ricans. So most of the people that were going to have access to Hamilton no longer did.
Starting point is 01:13:04 And they were like, do you even know us? Do you even know your people anymore? So that's kind of the sentiment there. I get that, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Going back to, going back to Coco real quick, though. I just wanted to say, like, I agree with Christina. Like, it was an awesome movie. And I didn't cry. I did get very, very sad because it was actually very, very well written and also very true, I think, to how Latinos actually, you know, think about their deceased relatives, you know, like for me, you know, I, I always feel like my grandpa's with me and one of the reasons why is because I actually wear his wedding ring. Like this is a wedding ring and my grandpa.
Starting point is 01:13:50 My grandpa got married with this ring in like 1920 something, 100 years ago, you know. And I love my grandpa as a kid and, you know, I always feel like he's with me and watching Coco, you know, and like the symbolism of, yeah, like your, your abuelito is still watching over you. it's very it's very emotional yeah yeah I mean so I have a real I had a really close relationship with my abuela she basically raised me and so I have a tattoo for her and everything on my wrist like she she's with me all the time and so anytime Disney pulls those freaking tear jerkers out what about family like Moana Tzu her relationship with her grandma that movie I cry non-stop it's just so emotional for me I just family is so important to
Starting point is 01:14:37 you know most Latinos right it's like a fundamental part a mental part of who we are. I'm going to cry. Oh, it's, it's, uh, it's true. You're trying to be cry on this podcast. How to do it to him. How to do it to him. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:14:59 You know, I love Coco. I think other than Up, it's the only movie that, like, really, like, makes a tear up. And the funny thing about Up is, like, up is so, like, heavy, like, front-loaded with all the sad shit, like, in the very beginning, that, like, once, once that, like, initial scene is over, I don't care about the movie. But with Coco, it kind of, like, it, like, ends in the sad stuff, so you have to watch it for that payoff, right? Like,
Starting point is 01:15:23 I, I, I, I remember last time I watched it, I watched it with, uh, with, with my partner, and they've never seen it before. And they look at me like, why are you crying? I'm like, this movie's so sad. You know, I see my family. And yeah, anyway, representation in movies is great. One of the major connecting pieces to bring it all back was music. Like the reason that she, the abuelita, abuelita, abuelita, like remembered everything was because of the song.
Starting point is 01:15:57 And it reminded her of her time with her father. Oh, oh, so well written. Is it sad or messed up that I know that when my mother passes, I know exactly what song I'm going to play like at her funeral? because there's like a good list of songs like in the back of my mind that like just remind me of her like immediately. And I have like three or four songs. I know for sure that like when that happens, because there's going to be a DJ there, right?
Starting point is 01:16:20 Because we're going to have a party, right? No matter what, right? Absolutely. I'm like, this song has to play. So I have that in my list. I don't know for my dad. My dad's all over the place. I'll play some like men at work or something.
Starting point is 01:16:31 He's like the wonkiest musical taste. But for my mom for sure, like I know exactly what song is going to be. So I think that's also why Coco hit me so hard because I personally love music like so so much. I mean, me and I have been talking about music here, like almost every single episode, right? Even shows where there's nothing to talk about music wise, we'll try to fit it in somewhere because we always have something to say about whatever. Donda, way better than certified lover boy. And I'm looking back a few weeks after, I'm sorry, folks, hot takes. You can't take that away from me.
Starting point is 01:17:04 Donda's here to stay forever. Anyway. Wow. Are you serious right now? I had to bring it back to something a little more positive. So everyone ended up crying the entire podcast, talking about her grandmas and her mom's one. Some of us cheering up.
Starting point is 01:17:17 What happened? The hell? This is the part of the party where like everyone's like, it's like two, three in the morning, right? We're all sitting by the bonfire. Someone's playing some like, I don't know, some I chint there or something. And we're all just crying, right?
Starting point is 01:17:32 That's going to always ends up. Actually, you know what happens late night at my family's parties? We talk about ghosts. That's like so, do you guys do that? You see that too, yeah, yeah. It's so weird. We have a lot of ghost stories in my family. And one of my tias, oh, my mom's going to get so mad that I said this in public.
Starting point is 01:17:47 One of my tias is psychic. So like, okay. Yeah. There's always like one Tia who's like, I can see them, right? Espritual. Yeah. Has your, has your Tia ever told you anything that like? Came true?
Starting point is 01:18:02 Yeah. Not as it came true, but like maybe freak you out a little bit. So my Tia, so I, she's in Colombia, so I really get to see her that often. But the stories about her are pretty crazy. She predicted that my parents would be in a car accident. And she knew when it was going to happen. And she knew when it happened. So this is all obviously secondhand.
Starting point is 01:18:24 This was in like 1988 and I was not born there. But it did happen. It was a pretty big thing. And it's pretty crazy. And then she also knew the history of a house because a ghost told. her and see this is like outside of like Latino audiences I feel like people are like what the hell but a ghost told her and she was like oh yeah this is all true and they went and looked at public records and it was all true down to the ladder so I actually I kind of believe in that stuff
Starting point is 01:18:52 you know I'm trying not to trying to not take it too seriously but at the same time I definitely late at night and I'm like I'm not even Catholic anymore and I'm still praying so I have some Jaws and chat saying, someone go grab an egg. All that stuff, all that stuff about, you know, La Yorona, the cuckooie, you know,
Starting point is 01:19:19 the malohoho, La Mano Negra, etchete de robo, all that stuff, like, I feel like even if you don't believe it, you still do it. You still do it just in case. Yeah, yeah. Just in case that this egg can get rid of all the bad spirits from me,
Starting point is 01:19:37 I'm going to rub it on myself. See what happened. Right. When people play with Vigi boards, they would do it in parties in like middle school and high school, I'd be like, I'm not fucking with this. So you're all crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:47 You're all crazy. I'm going home. Yeah. Screw that. Yeah. Twin Dad has a pretty good question here. So twin dad wants to know, similar to Coco,
Starting point is 01:19:58 are there any video games that you'd like to shout out for their story? Games for their story. I'm trying to think. There's a lot of Latino, like, game developers out there making stuff that I think is really cool. And not because it has my name, there's Chris Tails, which is Colombian Run. I love it.
Starting point is 01:20:19 It's really cool. The demo is available on Steam if you want to check it out. There's a couple of other titles coming out soon, all by indie Latin publishers in Mexico and Colombia. I would have to make y'all a list. to make y'all a list, but they're doing great stuff in Latin America. When I worked at Unity, one of the best parts of my job was that I would get to throw little baby conferences in Latam for people. And the first time in 10 years, I got to go back to Columbia to see, not just obviously
Starting point is 01:20:49 to throw this event, but I got to see my family in 2018. I hadn't seen anybody for a decade. And so it was really, really awesome. Sorry, off traffic. But what I got to know is there's a lot of games being made. in Latin America, a lot of really cool indie titles that are actually really polished and really beautiful and really well done. And I really want to make y'all a list. And so maybe I'll send that to you guys afterwards. But there's cool stuff happening. Yeah. One of my favorite Latinx musicians is Colombian, actually. Calli Uchis. I love her. I saw her live. Oh, really? We did in San Francisco. Nice. In August Hall. And it was very crowded, but she's gorgeous and amazing.
Starting point is 01:21:36 Yeah, she's amazing. She's gorgeous. Yeah, and like her voice, man. Like, I could listen to her voice like for the rest of my life. Can you play telepatia, please? Of course. By Kaliuchi. One DMCA coming right up, folks.
Starting point is 01:21:55 Let's do it. That's so good. Yeah, that's also why I prefer. her over other artists who are bigger now. I'm like, one, she's dope, right? Second, she looks amazing. She says, you have to get to die, right? She's a whole goddess, right?
Starting point is 01:22:12 And then third, right? She's from, she's in Latin America. So to me, it's like, it's just everything, right? It's everything I want. I want anything else. Um, I shouldn't think of another artist off the top of my head. I think she's Colombian too. Everyone's from another Columbia.
Starting point is 01:22:28 Y'all out here doing music and stuff. I think she's, okay. I'm a Google list because if I'm wrong, I don't know. Is it Shakira? No. Well, I mean, Shakira is great, too. I love Shakira. I love Shakira. She's amazing. I love Shakira. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:44 She's like, not just again, the singer, amazing-looking, blah, blah, but she's also like super, super accomplished too, which is like the most amazing thing. She's like an ambassador for you to say if she plays like a million instruments. She speaks like 50 languages and something like that. It's great. Okay, so actually, it's actually Chilean. So I'm glad I looked it up, so I'm not wrong. But it's, uh, Mon La Ferte.
Starting point is 01:23:05 I don't know of her. She's like a, she's like a, she's like a, just like kind of rock alternative. She did some of like Juanis and some other stuff before. Can you play one of her songs? I know we're going to get DMC it. I'm so sorry. That's, it's fine.
Starting point is 01:23:22 It won't get DMC it on SoundCloud because they don't care. Let me say, trying to find, this is the one she did with Juanis. since pretty popular. Yeah, she's dope too. She's amazing. Her voice too. She's an amazing voice.
Starting point is 01:23:46 I'll throw up a photo of her on the podcast. I got her because I guess she does a lot of activism as well, so there's like, you know, hey, here am I with no top on and I don't care.
Starting point is 01:24:01 Which is so super cool, right? I mean, you know, go you, do your thing. Both I don't want to get in trouble. I love me, music is unbeat, man. That's pretty. This is a vibe right here. I can get down with this. I think I've seen her.
Starting point is 01:24:15 I think she might have a tiny desk concert. She does. It's actually Juanis and Mon La Ferte Tiny Desk. I'll link it to you guys. Here, this is her right here, folks. She doesn't check her out. She's great. She's amazing.
Starting point is 01:24:30 The only problem is that my parents are going to kill me for her because my dad is this thing where he listens in music. he'll find that one song or one like artist and he just plays them incessantly. So for like three months in the house, it's like all that I heard. And like I really like her, but I stopped liking her because he played her so much. So I had to wait for like that mental reset before I can like, you know, listen to her again without having like an issue with it mentally. Natalie La Forcade is a Mexican songwriter and she's really good too. I shared her tiny desk.
Starting point is 01:25:00 Oh yeah. Let me check this out. Yeah. Sorry folks. This is now a music podcast. y'all can yeah yeah oh that's something i need to get into more is like modern current day latin music because i i have such a it's it's so easy to get lost in like the sauce of like what's happening over here in the u.s oh my god music makes me so like our music makes me so emotional
Starting point is 01:25:25 this is so pretty yeah yeah yeah latin music is very full of emotional motion. One of the bands I added on yesterday's town hall playlist and it's a Latin X band from Los Angeles actually. I remember you called the Lake Siders. The Lake Siders? I love that. It's like they sound like old school do-wop type of music like from like the 1940s or 50s.
Starting point is 01:26:07 just a guy and a girl with like, you know, guitar and her singing. And, uh, it also, it also makes me want to cry sometimes. I must admit, play this song Parachute by the Lake Sater, Dennis. Let's get another DMCA on here. Yeah, let's do it. How many can we stack up? Uh, is the Lake San Francisco? Now we're just sharing music, but that's like that's like that I'm down. Yeah, I'm down. Yeah, I'm in the same way too. I love me and Dennis could do this all day actually. Yeah, we literally go. Like, I would literally cancel all my minutes just to do this all day. Yeah, this is a vibe. I'm just to start throwing this up on the podcast, so people can watch it on this too.
Starting point is 01:26:45 Watch the video. Any PC givers in chat? Yeah. Go find them. Type in an exclamation point free PC in the chat for a free PC. Oh, it works. Me too. Very bad.
Starting point is 01:26:58 Everyone do it. It works. So I shared with y'all this girl, Ladonia. She's from San Francisco. I love that name. Latina Heritage. Yeah. Her music is badass.
Starting point is 01:27:09 I love that la don't yeah let me let me let me show this one up let me let me actually throw it up on our on the stream so people can watch with us too and hang out there you go visualizer songs to fill an empty head i love that recommendation thank you you too i love this already oh yeah it's so much good music coming out a lot in america For 1800s, amazing. Yeah. 1900s, amazing. 2020's.
Starting point is 01:27:52 Ooh. Just a vibe. There we go. It's probably the best panel of the podcast I've ever been on. We just listen to me. Hell yeah. Dennis and I love music, man. We talk music all the time.
Starting point is 01:28:16 I'm saving all this stuff of the way. This is great. So just by the way, folks, for those who are wonderful, I should have mentioned this when I first started the show. I'm such a dummy for it. But the group we were listening to before is called the Mariachi Entertainment System.
Starting point is 01:28:29 So it's like a play on the Nintendo Entertainment System. They're amazing. I listen them all the time. They literally do like video game covers, but it's all like Marachi and it's amazing. Like if you guys, like I feel like that's one of the things that like I really want to listen to more is more, is more Manachi because it's just so,
Starting point is 01:28:48 I don't know, there's something about it's like the horns, the guitar, Yeah. It's like it can be loud, but it can also be like really quiet at the same time. It's really great. Like I said earlier, like my mom from Halisco, all they listen to is mariachi. But growing up, I was, I was like, I'm going to be like my dad. I'm listening to Tamporazo and all that. But now, you know, that I'm married, you know, my wife, she was born in Guadalajara.
Starting point is 01:29:13 So she's like hardcore mariachi lover. And now that I've married, it's like, I've definitely gotten more. more fond of Mariani and for those I've never listened to it like even if you don't speak Spanish give it a chance because it's it's very beautiful music it's honestly like beautiful it's not even like the best way to describe it but it's full of emotion full of passion full of goal basically and yeah it's great music on that note here is the Avengers theme but done in mariachi,
Starting point is 01:29:51 which is so great. I have to play it because it just gives me the fuels. And I just got off of finishing watching like all the Marvel movies over again.
Starting point is 01:29:59 So big, big mood, big fuels. So cool. Tell me you don't like this violin. Tell me you don't like this flute.
Starting point is 01:30:06 Tell me you don't like this horn. Come on. If you don't, sorry, the same for you. I don't even know how to take. Just go. I also want to say
Starting point is 01:30:17 that we are using them as the finale of our show. show again this year. They finished out the show for us last year and they're finishing out again. Really? That's awesome. I didn't know that they, because I saw that they were at packs, like, in one of the videos, like, I don't follow them like the way they're like kind of quote unquote should or whatever. But like I know they were doing stuff for like packs and whatnot and I'm actually happy to see them kind of, well, I'm moving up, but like just getting more exposure because they're
Starting point is 01:30:43 great. They do really good stuff. The arrangements are amazing. Shout out to Tony Stark. as I call him Antonio Stark. Any collab with Marvel for Avengers themed products? That'd be awesome, but that would be through Disney now. And from what I know about Disney is that they are not easy to work with. There's like a lot that goes into it. So I'm sure if we started the conversation now with Disney to do Avengers stuff, we'd probably see it in like 20, 2027 or something.
Starting point is 01:31:19 I don't know, I'm just going to talk it on my butt here, but I'm assuming it would take forever. It's Disney, right? I mean, come on. A monster that big does not, you know, is not very nimble. Anyway, yeah, music is great. Love music.
Starting point is 01:31:30 It's awesome. Yeah, it's something that's always been a part of, you know, it's always been a part of my life. There's always music playing in the house. You know, my mom's cleaning. She's playing music. She's in the shower. You're a little speaker, you know, playing music.
Starting point is 01:31:46 She's cooking, she's playing music. You know, he's outside sleeping. She's playing music. So it just never not ends. And I feel like that's very, I'm not going to say it's a very very you know Latin American thing but you know
Starting point is 01:31:59 that's my experience right is that there's always something playing no matter what someone has to have some background music going on yeah B is right I do listen to Kumbia when I mop I bought a brand new mop it's a sick mop right
Starting point is 01:32:13 I'm 31 now so now you know I'm at the age where mops are exciting to me and this is a dope mop this is like the H510 elite of mops if it had airflow right It's like perfect, right? And I throw in the cumbias and I just mop up and, you know, I throw in the Fabuloso and it's great.
Starting point is 01:32:30 It's amazing, you know, it's like it's taking me back at home. Can you link the mop? Yes, I can actually. Thank you. It is the O. Cedar, which is a weird name. The O. Cedar spin mop. There's two ones. There's two of them.
Starting point is 01:32:46 There's the easy ring. And I'll show you both. Show everyone here in the podcast. I'm excited about this mob. We just look at the wall. or thing, I guess. There's the regular easy ring microfiber
Starting point is 01:32:58 spin mop, which is you put the thing inside and then there's a little foot pedal and it spins it and then it like, you know, spins the water dry. But then there's another one, the brand new one, this one's like the Cadillac version of it, that little blue top portion, I'm showing everyone in stream now.
Starting point is 01:33:14 This is like the most slang part of the podcast. Sorry, folks. That blue little top part is actually a reservoir. So as you take, take up the clean water and you spin it, right? It drains out the dirty water as well. So you always have fresh water coming in as opposed to you mopping with the old dirty water. So I got to get one of these for my maid. Yeah, it's great. I also have a I also have a steam mop too with a little steamer. It's great, dude. That thing's awesome. Cleans flour so well. So I'm, I'm like big on cleaning now.
Starting point is 01:33:47 I'm going to Hope Depot more often and stuff. I have, I literally have, I just bought this on Amazon. on this. I'm going to show everyone this. This is a pack of M4 screws. You can't really see it. But specifically M4 screws are for like the back of your monitor and stuff. And apparently they're really hard to find. So I bought like a giant pack for like seven bucks. And I'm not here
Starting point is 01:34:06 doing all kinds of stuff. I'm managing cables and everything. But enough about me. Management. So important. Dude, I remember I used to hate how much we clean as kids. And now I'm my mom. Now I clean every weekend. I have to make sure that everything is clean when I'm done with it.
Starting point is 01:34:22 like who am I? Get to finish all your food. It's weird how we turn into our parents. We do turn into our parents. Don't tell my mom that though. I mean, I think we pretty much ran out our time unless you guys want to chill with some more music. I'm super down. I'm always down to throw in some of Marcon de Nisalisalisalis.
Starting point is 01:34:42 It's like one of my favorites from the old days. But do you have any other questions from the community? Any plans in releasing 120 millimeter one four? I forgot. we do computer stuff, huh? 120 millimeter, 140 millimeter crack in AIO with the Z model's LCD screen.
Starting point is 01:34:59 So I'm going to say, what I say, every single time people ask about future products. We're always thinking about everything. Remember delete the Vod? Wait, what I'm going to delete the Vod for? Oh, yeah. Yeah. We need to figure out what to do with that,
Starting point is 01:35:15 with that stuff. I'm thinking we'll just throw everything on YouTube or something. I was insane. Yeah, so whenever it comes to new products, we will never ever announce them here in this podcast because this podcast is once a week. We will announce them on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, all of our social channels,
Starting point is 01:35:30 even our Discord channel, Discord server as well, or our official website, or you can sign up for a newsletter at n60.com. It's somewhere there on the webpage. I'm not sure if there's a specific year. We should announce a product on here one day. Yeah, we should, right? We should just lift it up.
Starting point is 01:35:47 Here it is, right? It's like a, here's my empty mango cart. This is the NXT product that I was drinking last night. But, yeah, you know, we're always thinking about everything. You know, we take everything into consideration. Any product you think or want us to make, we probably thought about making it at some point in time. And for one reason or another, either it's not ready or we don't feel like it fits in with our current product category or product lines or the way that our products meshed together. So yeah, you know, so that's a, that's, that's, that's the generic PR social media person answer whenever you ask you about anything that's new coming out.
Starting point is 01:36:27 So, yeah. So the answer is no. Yeah, the answer's no. I'll like to say no. Before we do wrap it up, though, Dan, I do have some announcements I'd like to make. Yes. All right. So the first announcement is our plug and blank giveaway.
Starting point is 01:36:48 just ended last night. That was for a chance to win our brand new NZT capsule microphone, which you can see right behind me, I think, if my camera's not too blurry. So yeah, that ended yesterday, so we're going to announce the winners later today on Twitter. So check out at NZXT if you want to find out if you won. And speaking of microphones, like I said,
Starting point is 01:37:10 we did launch mics last week, so go to NZXT.com to check those out. And the other thing we launched last week, which you might not be aware of. I don't know. Christina, did you know that NZXT has a TikTok? No.
Starting point is 01:37:23 I would love to learn more. Follow at NZT on TikTok. And you can see some shenanigans from Dennis and myself and Mike, who's not here right now. But yeah, check out our NZXT on TikTok. And we also just launched a TikTok duet challenge for a chance to win an NZXT capsule microphone. And the way this duet challenge works is you have to be the voice of Pucci. So you use your best Pucci voice to read the script and you might win an NZT capsule microphone. If I was going to see it here.
Starting point is 01:38:01 Duet this with your best voiceover for a chance to win a capsule microphone. That's it. It's very simple. It's taken in the office, you know, and just. Do you want to show some of the entry? The entries were really funny. I can try to pull some up. I don't know how give me a second you can probably get him from our Instagram stories
Starting point is 01:38:19 where we put oh yeah yeah you're right you write you write you write poppy the entries dd's asking how bad they are and they're not bad they're actually really good some of funny yeah they're really funny i got to throw more on the on the on the on the tl but uh here we go unmute this real quick give a lot of videos here you have some sound that's cool Hmm Voiceover for a chance to win a capsule microphone It sounds really good Purple
Starting point is 01:38:48 Alright boy let's do this With your best voiceover for a chance to win a capsule microphone Hi my name is Pucci and I'm a purple plush Alright boy let's do this For a chance to win a capsule microphone That one got me Yeah Whatever that was
Starting point is 01:39:14 With this with your best voiceover for a chance to win a capsule microphone microphone. This is cute. Hi, my name is Pucci and I'm a purple plush. That was a good one. Yeah, that one's sounded almost kind of like Ash Ketchum from like Pokemon. I kind of got like ash vibes from that. And if you guys like giveaways for free microphones, then you're going to love this awesome giveaway that we're doing with Discord right now.
Starting point is 01:39:43 Oh yeah. Or they're back to school event. we are actually given away three custom wrapped Discord computers you guys can check out what they look like and enter by following at Discord on social media
Starting point is 01:39:56 really nice looking wraps Joshua and the customer service team is a little upset though because I've been storing these cases in his office for the last three weeks until we get the winners but the contest ends next week so you still have some time to enter so do so
Starting point is 01:40:15 if you can. And then the last two announcements are the most important. The first one being follow Christina on Twitter at Silchrist 88 and learn more about her awesome org Latinx and gaming at latinxing gaming.com. Really doing amazing stuff for the Latino community and you know, just on behalf of NZXT, want to say, keep up the good work. Thank you for having me. Oh, you guys are awesome. Yeah, anytime. Yeah, thanks.
Starting point is 01:40:52 Thanks for being on. Thanks for taking the time. I know you're super busy, you know, with your million jobs and, you know, making the world a better place. So, you know, we really appreciate it. I try to think what else to say because I need to make time to pull up my document because I realize and add the outro to our Trello, Ivan. Good job. Anytime, dude.
Starting point is 01:41:14 That's literally what I'm here for, just to make time. Yeah, Christina, any parting words, anything you want to let the people know, anything you want to plug? Unitas Online is October 15th and 17th, and Nuestra Cossina is every Thursday at 5 p.m. starting this Thursday with hostess Lullaboo. So check us out. And maybe soon Ivan, right? We'll be doing some cooking. She might be on there.
Starting point is 01:41:40 Both of you might be on there. Like me, you'll get a cook. I'm not very good cook. Yeah. I can cook some, anything in an air fryer. I can do really good steaks. I'm like really good at steaks. And my kind of sada marinade is not that bad, actually.
Starting point is 01:41:53 It's pretty good. I'll do the judge of that. Yeah. What's your recipe, Ivan? Where are you going to say? If I was going to do a cooking segment, I would probably do some barbecue. But I wouldn't do carnasada. I would probably smoke some meat.
Starting point is 01:42:11 smoke like a tri-tip or something. Doesn't smoking me take like hours and hours though? Yeah, it does. It would be a very boring stream. You'd be the longest stream ever. You'd like sit down and have a beer and like so we got five hours. The first five minutes would be me putting a tri-tip on the smoker. And the next three hours would be me drinking beer playing music.
Starting point is 01:42:33 What do you guys think about this song? It'll just be a vibe stream, right? It'd just use hang out. It'd be like chill stream only. Am A. Right, drinking beer listening music. And then at the end, I open up the smoker and the tritip salt. I know some of those words.
Starting point is 01:42:51 I don't know anything about smoking. I've always wanted to learn, though. I've always wanted to learn how to smoke stuff. Maybe one day you'll teach me. Maybe you can vape meat. Ooh, yeah. Imagine vaping meat. Meat-flavored vape.
Starting point is 01:43:06 Dude. No, thank you. So I once had a trow vape, like, juice flavor. it was disgusting. But I'm curious, like, of other flavors. Like, maybe you can do, like, a, like, I don't know, trying to think, like, different kinds of, like, flavors. Like a Bidia taco flavor, that'd be pretty good, right?
Starting point is 01:43:25 I'd be done for that. Maybe kind of set a flavor. Tamales, right? I'm always down for that, too. Some champorado. That, actually, actually, that one might hate because it's kind of sweet. Anyway, yeah, Christina. Thanks for being on.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Thanks for hanging with us. for humoring us. Thanks for having me. No problem. Thank you for being on. Thank you to everybody who tuned in. Thank you again, to Christina, for taking time to hang out with us. Remember to tune in next week at 10 a.m.
Starting point is 01:43:54 Pacific Center Time on the official N6T Discord server. No, I'm tired. I'm tired. Start over. Rewind, rewind, right? Thank you for joining us, Christine, and thank you to everyone who tuned in. Remember to tune in next week at 10 a end, Pacific Center Time,
Starting point is 01:44:11 the official nzxti twitch we did we did this on discord for like a million years and follow at n6t on all relevant and irrelevant social media don't forget to listen yeah yeah and what's i said yeah well that depends on whether you consider uh ticot to be relevant or irrelevant ivan i'll let you make that choice what do you think i i consider ticot to be the social media platform that figured out how to do it right wow that good i feel like we can't I can't just leave it at that. I feel like you don't have to like add something more to that before. Well, I guess the reason why I feel that way is because you look at Twitter, for example,
Starting point is 01:44:52 and the way Twitter works best is, you know, inserting yourself into conversations and being able to communicate with people like in the moment, right? You look at Instagram. It's more like you show a nice picture. People like it and comment underneath. And if you do stories, people. can see it and swipe up or whatever. You look at Facebook and you basically,
Starting point is 01:45:16 if you don't spend money on Facebook, you're not going to reach your audience. So with TikTok, I just, I don't know, I feel like that formula of a quick 30 second video that you can swipe up on and comment on and insert yourself in the conversation, to me, that's like the perfect formula. And I don't know about you guys,
Starting point is 01:45:35 but for me, the best part about using TikTok is not actually the TikTok videos, but it's reading the comments from people. Agreed. I feel like that is like the Twitter aspect of it, right? Where it's just like people make some hilarious responses on videos. And I love reading that stuff. Not just that, but the algorithm is so scary.
Starting point is 01:45:55 It just knows it in like five videos. This is Mexican. That too. Enjoy all this content. Like, oh no. Sometimes it's a little too much for me, though. All right. Anyway, to continue on, Ivan,
Starting point is 01:46:11 Thank you for that. Don't forget to listen to previous episodes on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, and SoundCloud. Hit those buttons. Also, if you could do it as a huge favor, I did, I'd have for that drop there. Drop this a little bit for a second, guys. I'm going to get a little intimate with you. Share the show with a friend. Or an enemy, right?
Starting point is 01:46:36 May it's even better. Somebody you don't like. Subject him to this, what, two hour long, where we spend half the time. listening to music. But anyway, guys, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Happy Latinx Heritage Month. Happy everything month.
Starting point is 01:46:53 Don't be afraid to celebrate who you are and all that stuff. We love you all. We'll see you next time. Bye. Remember me. Remember me, your one.

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