Off Air... with Jane and Fi - A lot of people swear by luncheon meat

Episode Date: February 21, 2023

Jane and Fi are joined by Patricia Field, the costume designer behind Sex and the City, Emily in Paris, The Devil Wears Prada and more. Can Jane tell the difference between noodles and spaghetti? What would Fi talk to Boris Johnson about if they got stuck in a lift together? And where are Yorkies made? If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] Assistant Producer: Kate Lee Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler Podcast Executive Producer: Ben Mitchell Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do you think in a blind taste test you'd really be able to tell the difference between spaghetti and noodles? Well that's a good question because i don't think in a blind taste test i could tell the difference between red or white wine i certainly can't tell the difference between white and rose can't you no i'm not sure i'm not sure i could either no because i don't have the palate you know that they're always going on about our master chef could you taste the palate let's go for could you taste the palette let's go for it could you taste the difference between linguine and spaghetti no not at all i don't think i could taste the difference between uh guava and passion fruit no well i mean that that's that we're really into radio for fruit testing now aren't we i i would not have a clue no i wouldn't i't. I mean, of all the people I know,

you'd be the person most likely to be able to taste the difference between them. But I think we've probably gone a bit too far with this now. OK, but if you're still awake, and I know some of you use this to get to sleep, there'll be people going... What's about cod and haddock? Ah, now, whitefish. Can anybody tell me, please,

how you distinguish between one whitefish and another? I think monkfish is quite thick and meaty. I might be able to feel a monkfish if I had the opportunity. Yeah. I'm not sure trout or salmon either. Oh, no, salmon, I think I'd always be able to detect that. I don't know, freshwater? Freshwater or Tesco's, you mean?

Well, don't... Trouts don't live in the sea, but salmon do, but you can also farm salmon in freshwater, can't you? I'm at the absolute boundary of my fresh fish knowledge here. Let's move it on. There was a fishing show on my first radio station. Have you ever worked for a radio station with a fishing show oh don't start this again no no uh okay so it was called dirty tackle and it was on a saturday morning at 6 a.m dirty tackle was on

five live oh was it yes yeah that was also a fishing show yeah it wasn't on your no then it what but it was private individual radio station it wasn't on radio garvey this was on it was a in that case it was uh it was called another name um and it might have been the name of a particular kind of bait i'm not very good on worm yeah um because a lot of people swear by luncheon meat it wasn't called that though, the programme. A lot of people swear by luncheon meat. That would be a good name for a show. Anyway, okay, so if you know the name of that fishing show... So which radio station would it have been? I think it was

Radio Wyvern, which hasn't been going now for about 20 years. We'd need somebody with a really good memory. An absolute Radio Anorak would know the answer to that question. Oh, they'll be out there they will be out there okay well whether they're listening to this or not we won't know but um i think eventually it gets to them yes i do yeah oh dear there's a lovely email here from dawn who says uh hello jane and fee i was

listening to your podcast last night and to hear that you went skiing in bulgaria fee which resort did you go to me and my family went to Borovets and every other little log cabin was promising some erotic business. The best and funniest was on a dessert menu outside a restaurant for an erotic banana. I have photos if you're interested. No, you'll break the internet, Dawn,

who says that she managed to keep the kids away. I mean, it is quite a thing, Jane. It's like going back in time 20 years to how Soho used to be, you know, where every other shop had some kind of a flashing red light. Yeah, you see, I wasn't in London around. Difficult image. Yes, I wasn't around at the time. Well, no, because you're up in Radio Wyvern chopping up luncheon meat.

I have never known the, frankly, seamier side of Soho. I don't remember. Soho is rather a she-she place now. Yeah, and it really wasn't. So actually 30 years ago, so I think I've been in London now 35 years. So when I first came to London, I was trepidatious about walking around Soho because I was such an innocent, you know, it felt properly steamy. Yeah, well, by the sound of things it was.

It was. But it's just a bit of a shame. I don't know whether you'd agree, Dawn, because I think we weren't in Borovets, by the way, we were in Bansko. I think it is quite a lot of our people from this country who've gone over to these Bulgarian resorts and have kind of, you know, stimulated that market. Yeah. So we bear some responsibility for it. But it is everywhere.

I've got a gorgeous, gorgeous picture of the Bulgarian sunset. And right across it, there's this massive neon sign that says, Go, go, girls. It's not great. You're not going to have to have the slide of that to show the neighbours, are you? Well, when are you coming round? Just a bit busy at the moment, but when I've got rid of the decorators... Oh, no, come on, because I'm going to do a Bulgarian dish.

No, no, thanks. I'm going to do my arch of meat. I'll stay alone with my erotic banana, if you don't mind. Julie says, I'm a long-term listener who firmly believes she's found her tribe. I'm the same age as Fi and I've got children at similar ages to Jane's. I realise I'm one of the golden generation, the first in my family to enjoy a fully funded university education on a full grant, leaving with debts that were cleared in one summer and my own daughters are not so lucky. When you widen access to nearly 50%

of the population, you do need to change funding arrangements but there's been no accountability on universities to provide value. For over £9,000 this academic year my younger daughter was told she didn't need to be back on site in January, she'll have four weeks off for Easter and then she finishes on May the 17th for the summer. Add into this the strikes and the usual tutor sickness, then I just can't see how the fees are justified for so little face-to-face teaching time. I genuinely don't understand why students aren't marching in the streets to protest. If I knew who to complain to, then I'd do it for them. I think Julie actually, she brings up some really interesting points there and it's only really when your children are at university that you actually think back to your own days. And,

you know, I got it for free, as I said yesterday, and I have been thinking about the whole funding of university education. I think we did have a bit more face-to-face time back in the day. Whether we took advantage of it or not, I don't know. But from my memory, I think there was more teaching time back in the 1980s than a lot of students get now. It does depend what you're studying, of course. If you're doing an arts degree or a social science degree, you're not going to be in a lab nine hours a day, are you? It's just not going to happen. But all of my lectures and probably all of your lectures would have been face to face. Obviously, we were pre-internet.

So there wasn't that opportunity. You just printed the first book. It was a printing press. You're such a Caxton girl, aren't you? Yes, I really am. But all of our seminars, we had a seminar for every subject that we were doing across the three years. So, yeah, even for, I mean, i was on quite a far-reaching humanities course and i was in university quite a lot what was it called your course classical history and philosophy there's a lot to cram in isn't there there is yeah

well it was actually i mean there's philosophy is quite wide quite right wide rating classical civilization it's quite a long span of history going on there yeah so if you were stuck in a lift with boris johnson you'd actually have a bit of small talk wouldn't you i'd like to catch him out on some things actually that's what i'd try and do yep but he would and anyway i do not that's that's like something of an anxiety dream being stuck in a lift with boris johnson yeah maybe you'll dream about that No, don't make me do that. He's back, delighting us once again. In fact, Liz Truss has also said something. They both said

something in the last couple of weeks, haven't they? Whatever those two say will always be reported though, won't it? Even the slightest little pipsqueak it will. And we'll mention it. Yeah, let's stop mentioning. Stop mentioning. Thank you for that, Julia. And yes, it is on my mind that perhaps,

I suppose there's a part of me that wants to say to my daughter who's currently at university, go to everything. Take advantage of everything because you are going to be paying for it. And my other daughter's now working. So she started to pay back her loan. And, you know, you really notice it. She notices it. She should do.

She should notice it going out of her wages every month but i do think yeah we were lucky julie's right i was the first in my family to go to uni and i don't think we appreciated at the time what a wonderful opportunity it was so you know our lovely friend steph who runs don't buy me flowers and who does a podcast so she had so this was last year, wasn't it, when she was interviewing us on our little book tour? Yeah. And she's got three children, and she's not that much younger than us,

and she had only just paid off. She had the last instalment on her student loan, I think in November or December last year, and it was actually the size of a mortgage payment that she had been paying out every month. And you think, wow. I mean, apart from anything else, if you're self-employed, you've had to put yourself through three lots of maternity leave anyway,

you know, without company benefits, and you've been paying off that all the way through. What happens to your student loan payments when you are on maternity leave? Can you pause them? I think you can pause them, yes. You must be able to. way through what happens to your student loan payments when you are on maternity leave can you pause them i think you can pause them yes you must be able to you won't be earning anything so it's based on your what you're earning every month or every year uh it's well you don't start paying at all until you're earning over a certain threshold yeah and then so some people never pay back a penny at all which is quite disinincentivising. It is a bit, isn't it, actually?

Like I say, the whole system is clearly not perfect, but nor was the old system. So I don't quite know what the answer to this is. And of course, Julie makes the other point that back when we went to university, most people didn't, and now half the population of the appropriate age go. Yeah.

I'm very interested to see where apprenticeships lead people because they seem to be uh filling a really important gap actually in that youth employment market and i know lots of uh not lots of but i know quite a few young people who've taken them up and having a really terrific time and actually their work ethic is then just so different to their contemporaries who are at university on those humanities courses where they're not having to be in a lab at nine o'clock every morning or whatever it does bring me back to the state of that kitchen floor uh last week which i'm trying to get out of my head if you don't mind can we talk religion we don't yes can we yeah

um this is from a listener who says francis who says i'm totally confused as to how we can continue to be a modern democratic society when we keep on excluding people who have varying opinions and beliefs. I am a liberal, empathetic, kind atheist, and I cannot see how being a Christian disqualifies you from being the leader of a political party. If, as Kate Forbes declares, you are committed to acknowledging the rights of all LGBTQ plus people that have been won through the democratic process. You were talking this afternoon to Stig, we were, and raised the question of whether leaders are actually required to be of a faith. And historically, this is indeed the case. No American president would ever get within a sniff of office without declaring their faith. And in fact, in America's case, of course, it would have to be a Christian faith, wouldn't it?

In this country, Tony Blair was famously a practising Catholic. Well, actually, in Pedantry Corner, he was not officially a Catholic until he left office because he didn't actually feel safe enough to acknowledge that he was a Catholic while he was Prime Minister, which does seem really weird. He had converted, but he didn't say so in public. Isn't that strange?

Isn't it? Yeah. But no one challenged him on his thoughts on abortion rights. Well, I think, Frances, I say that's because we didn't officially know that he was a Catholic. Rishi Sunak is a Hindu. No one questions him on where he stands on issues that are at variance with his faith.

What is going on? I feel I'm at a loss, says Frances. I believe we should be as tolerant of believers in faith as we are of LGBTQ plus people and everyone in between. Sounds reasonable to me. Yes. So I think this is exactly what we were trying to talk to Stig about, wasn't it? That it just seems to be, it's just not a black and white thing when we just seem as a country to really struggle with the notion that you can have faith but also hold an intellectual position and we know loads and loads of people who are doing exactly that i mean there are lots of people who work in in the you know in the

sciences doing amazing things who you'll also find at a church or a synagogue or wherever it is practicing and believing but they're not They're not mutually exclusive things, but they're so difficult to understand. I mean, Kate Forbes has come a cropper for her honesty, basically, hasn't she? And we're always saying... She could have just not revealed that her faith was going to get in the way of anything. She's told the truth and paid the price, and you may or may not like what her faith was going to get in the way of anything. She's told the truth and paid the price. And you may or may not like what her views are.

And frankly, you know, I think her belief that you shouldn't have children out of wedlock is, and it's not just that, that she also doesn't really, she doesn't believe in equal marriage. And she, if she was on maternity leave, but had she been working, she wouldn't have voted for the Gender Recognition Act in Scotland either. Those are her beliefs. Now, I might think they're a little bit of variance with the 21st century, but that's what she believes. So is she expected to say, I don't believe any of those things anymore because I'd like to be the leader of Scotland? You can't really expect it to, can you? No.

I think those are, I don't want to say extreme because that's not the right term. They are unusual in our times, aren't they? For a woman, she's only in her early 30s. They seem to be at odds with much of society. They are at odds with the statistics. If you just look at the number of children who are born out of wedlock, it's a phrase I hate, wedlock, yeah, then it's more than a born within now, isn't it? I think it probably is. Disgusting. Thank you, I'm one of those people. Do you feel better? Right,

that's excellent. I just want to say that Bolton Wanderers are going to rename their stadium. It's been called various things over the years, but I do feel that some people are taking this I just want to say that Bolton Wanderers are going to rename their stadium. It's been called various things over the years. But I do feel that some people are taking this very seriously. They got very upset by the fact that Bolton Wanderers ground is going to be renamed from next season. The Tough Sheet Community Stadium. Tough Sheet? Tough Sheet.

The Tough Sheet? Tough Sheet. Oh, you can't do that. The company, Tough Sheet, is Tough Sheet? Tough Sheet. Oh, you can't do that. The company, Tough Sheet, is based in Bolton. It's a recyclable building product manufacturer and its managing director, Doug Mercer, has been a lifelong supporter of the club. Mr Mercer told the Bolton News, obviously the brand name is a bit tongue-in-cheek,

a bit schoolboy humour, but I can't wait to see them try and make each other say it on Sky Sports. It'll be a great laugh. Won't it just? Well, it'll be a small laugh. A bit schoolboy humour, but I can't wait to see them try and make each other say it on Sky Sports. It'll be a great laugh. Won't it just? Well, it'll be a small laugh. It'll be hilarious the first time, as it just was with Fee then, but over the course of a long football season. It's not always going to raise a titter, is it?

51% of babies born to unmarried mothers in England and Wales in 2021. And unmarried fathers. Yes, but I think it's... Of course, the fathers could have been married to someone else. Yeah, but it's just the mothers that they're looking at. Yeah, that's a very dodgy statistic, isn't it? I mean dodgy in the sense that I feel it's trifle sexist. Yeah, but I know what you mean.

I hear what you're saying. But yes, so that tipped over two years ago so you're going against the grain there kate forbes right well that's that's us we've said we think that's very outspoken of you going against the grain kate forbes but but she's going against the grade in being true to her own beliefs and this is where it is actually a philosophical debate this isn't not what i'm really able to conduct but also i don't know what it means jane you know she if she believes that i'm wrong to have had my children without being at the time married to the father of those children but what is it realistically if i was living in you know her children. But what is it realistically, if I was living in her constituency in Skye, what is the legislation that she would be proposing and passing

where my unmarried status would get in the way? I don't think she'd be passing any legislation. She's just saying that these are the standards that she holds true for herself. And that's the problem, isn't it? And she's entitled to absolutely uphold those standards herself and to believe that she's doing the right thing in upholding them. We're not going to solve anything here.

So thank you enormously for your contribution, Frances. More of those to janeandfeeattimes.radio. Let's get to our guest. Oh, gosh, let's. So our guest this afternoon was Patricia Field. And you would know her work if you'd watched Sex and the City, Emily in Paris, The Devil Wears Prada, so many other movies, because she is a costume designer to the stars.

So if when you think of Sex and the City, you imagine that opening sequence of Sarah Jessica Parker sauntering down Manhattan, wearing a tutu, I think a tank top, quite a lot of jewellery and some very high shoes. That is all in the mind's eye of Patricia Field. So Pat was joining us from New York and we started by asking her to talk us through the outfit that she had chosen to wear for our interview. I'm wearing one of my favorite jackets. It's a leather. I love the color. I'm wearing, oh, I don't know, these Versace pants, which I also love. I tend to love and keep my wardrobe. I'm not one to buy and change and buy and change.

My wardrobe kind of has always expressed me, and it doesn't seem to go out of style in my eyes. Maybe it does, but I don't feel it. No, I think you look gorgeous. Your hair is the most remarkable colour, isn't it? What does that... How does the dye manufacturer describe that colour? Well, it's actually a combination of two colours, I believe.

Erica, what is the name of that? Manic Panic. It's from Manic Panic. uh what erica what is the name of that manic panic man it's uh they're from manic panic and um this is a combination of a bright red with a a deeper color to take away the bang well i think it's still got quite a lot of bang pat uh tell us a little bit about your family i really enjoyed reading your book and your life story is a fascinating one, isn't it? Your parents came to America from Greece. Your father had to lose his Turkish surname at border control in America because it was simply too hard to pronounce.

And throughout the book, I think the reader really gets the feeling of how important your background and your family background is to you. It's true. My family has always been very strong in my life. They've been there in my life, not only my parents, but my aunts, my grandmother. You know, I feel really that I received a lot of positivity from my family. And, yeah, that's why I definitely included them in my book, because they were so important to me. Particularly your mum. I mean, her work ethic was just quite something, wasn't it? It was very much her who kind of powered your family through in America. Yes, that's true.

You know, my mom, I don't know, I guess I take after my mom in those ways. But she, you know, ran a business and she was proud of her business. And it was originally located very close to where we live on there in the East 70s. And then she moved her to a larger factory. She moved it to Long Island City. And, you know, if it weren't for my mom, we would have been, I don't know, orphans, I guess, my sister and I, because my mom carried the ball. And maybe I admired her for that. Maybe I took after her a little bit for that. I'm sure I did. So her business was in dry cleaning, which you, you know, correctly credit with giving you this extraordinary love of fabrics and an understanding

of clothes from a very early age. Did your mum get to be very proud of your successes? Did she understand the business that you went into? You know, that's a great question. It's never been asked of me. I'm not really sure to tell you the truth, because the generation before me, you know, the word, for example, stylist, you know, I don't think that they ever really heard that word before. They didn't totally understand what I was doing. But I did bring my aunt, Lesvia, But I did bring my aunt, Lesvia, and my aunt May to one of our sets near Rockefeller Plaza, Sex in pass away, but she didn't. I don't think that she saw my career very much. And not that she didn't want to.

It's just, you know, her age and whatever. I'm not really sure, actually. But my aunts did, and I took them to Rockefeller Plaza. And it was so funny because mr big was there and my aunt lesbia said i love you mr big so it was a treat for her and i was glad i could offer it to her we don't have very much time with you pat so we probably need to cut straight to the chase about sex in the city and we'll try and squeeze in as many questions as possible about other things that you've done but I mean that's the that's the biggie isn't it can you explain to us where your confidence comes from in putting together those outfits which just on a kind of mood board may not have conveyed, you know, the kind of oomph that they then did on the actual set?

Well, let me see. I, my confidence, I guess, came from, you know, from my childhood history and my college and teenage history, but definitely from my mother, because she was my role model. And she was running a successful business back in those days. And that was very unusual for a female. And I think my relationship with my mother did have a big influence on me. As well as my aunts and grandparents. Sure, sure. Which of the women in Sex and the City was the hardest to conjure up outfits for?

Oh, it's hard to say. I mean, I think it all fell in very well when I met Darren Starr from the beginning, who, as I mentioned, Sarah Jessica, made that meeting happen. And, you know, I mean, his description, I asked him to give me a description of how he saw the three girls.

And he, you know And he gave me that description and it gave me a foundation. And then I met and worked with the three actresses and created a unique look for each of them. But I must say, I drew it from the women themselves. It's very important to understand who you're working with. They are real people. Yes, they are actors. Yes, they are in front of the camera. But, you know, deep down, they're people who have opinions, They're people who have opinions, who have taste.

And I think it's really important to respect that. I mean, for example, Sarah Jessica, she was very fashionista. So it was kind of a game between us. Absolutely. I mean, she was, develop Samantha based on the script and also how she portrayed the character. Very important. You know, these actors are in front of the camera. It's really important to understand that. And, you know, they have to be comfortable.

And that's a very important part. And they all have different tastes and it's important to get into their heads and into their you know style and then make your fashionista adjustments yeah as jane and i was saying if either of us tried to wear a tutu and a pair of stilettos we'd just look like we'd drunk too much and falling into a dressing up box. You're listening to Off Air with Jane and Fi and we're talking to Patricia Field, the costume designer behind Sex and the City, Emily in Paris, The Devil Wears Prada

and so many others. Now, she is a remarkable lady in many, many ways and one of the things that she can take credit for is the fact that she was like, you know, sort of a proper gal through the movie. And then in the end, she turned into this like, sexy gal. And that definitely, that silhouette definitely inspired me. And I found a lingerie maker, as I mentioned, in New York, not far from where I was. And he made these tight-fitting, body-conscious leggings for me. And, you know, it was at a time that that silhouette wasn't everywhere. And it became something. I'm happy. It became something.

Yeah, take credit. Can we talk, if you don't mind, about The Devil Wears Prada and Meryl Streep's signature white hair as Miranda Priestley? I think you had a few battles, didn't you, making sure that she could have the white hair she wanted? Yes, I did have a little bit of a battle. But when I couldn't win the battle, I said to Meryl, you go tell those producers and whoever. They don't understand it. Men think that white hair is old lady. And that's not their job, really. But of course, they get involved in the nitty gritty of it. But actually, Meryl and her beauty man came to me with that idea. It was her idea.

She wanted the white hair. And I liked the idea. We've never seen Meryl like that. And I knew it was going to be in a glamorous, you know, hairstyle. And when David Frankel told me I was about his project with Meryl. I was so excited because I admire her of all the actresses that I have ever seen. I have to say my great respect goes to Meryl for the way for her work. It's great. And to be able to work with Meryl Streep, it was to me. Yes. Well, it's not bad, is it? I mean, it's a long way from your boutique. And the I mean, you did have an incredible cast of characters who'd come to that store, didn't you? Just tell us a bit about that. Yes. But before I tell you about that,

I just want to say I had got I had already been in the film and TV arena. And that and that was, TV arena and that was along the way and I just wanted to be clear about that. And now you want me to tell you about my shop?

Well, I mean, is it true that Madonna was kept waiting outside for a substantial length of time? Well, we weren't open actually. In that that case she deserved it you did spend so much time though pat in in this kind of milieu of in immensely creative new york in the 1980s and the 1990s and particularly the club scene where the trans community really thrived i wonder whether we could ask you a bit

of a political question about transgender rights in America at the moment and where you see that path going, because certainly some of the leading figures in the Republican Party really want to deny the existence of transgender rights, don't they? I see that happening, yes. But, you know, I think that based on my experience with HIV AIDS and how the gay community responded to it, you know, I wasn't surprised when that developed slowly, I guess, two decades into where we are today with transgender. But, you know, there's always that segment of our society that wants to deny that or do away with that. that or do away with that. And I really think that truth is one of the best. How can you say truth is the one of the best ways to live and be and, and express yourself truthfully.

So you're hopeful? I'm absolutely hopeful. To have no hope would be you may as well stop living. Yeah, there is that. And just to make a bit of a gear change now, could you be friends, Pat, with a normcore wearer? I wasn't overly familiar with the term normcore, but I've had it explained to me today in pictures. I mean, it's someone who just dresses kind of down.

A bit like I do. A bit like Jane. But do you read into clothing the essence of a person and their personality? Is your world just, are you surrounded by people who are as creative as you? Well, that was quite a few questions. I'll attempt to answer each one. As far as my attitude towards normcore, I have to say it does not interest me. I love to, you know, fashion is is sort of my art. And I always suggest to people not to follow trends, because then you're like everyone else who runs into a store and buys whatever, you know, they see somewhere. And they're not thinking of themselves in their own image. They're just being a carbon copy. And I don't think that's a fun way to be. And I'm very suggesting all the time to people to find your identity, your style. And, you know,

in my shop, I always had unique people working there who had their style it's expressive it's not that you copy it but you see different expressions of individual style that was our interview with patricia field the costume designer behind sex and the city i felt rather grateful that she wasn't in the studio with us actually jane because i'm wearing yeah i know well we were norm-cored up to the eyeballs, weren't we? I've got my dog-walking boots on. Yes, you clearly just come in from Hackney Marshes. I've got a... I mean, they're proper jeans. They're lovely jeans.

Nice jeans. Very well cut. But they're jeans. Yeah. And I've got a Christmas jumper. My mum gave me this for Christmas. It's very, very nice. And she's got a very stripy shirt.

I've got a very stripy shirt and a vest underneath. Yeah, but neither of us are fashion plates today. I mean, we're both clean. Well, I am. Don't get me started again. But yes, we would have disappointed Pat because basically in that final answer, she did say if you dress slightly dull, I'm just not having any of you. You're not coming to any of Pat's parties?

No, I wouldn't have been brave enough to go to any of Pat's parties. Have you ever been turned away from a fashionable venue for not being fashionable enough? Oh God, good question. Do you remember back in the, well maybe you don't, because you were busy with your lunch and meat, putting it on the end of some fish hooks up in Wyvern.

But London, kind of late 1980s, early 1990s club scene, so when there were places like the Limelight, which were terrifying. On Charing Cross Road. Yes, because you really had to dress up to get into the club, really, really had to dress up, and you were turned away with literally just a hand. Just stained. Yeah, if you didn't look the part and i wasn't really a nightclub person at all but i was sharing a flat

with my sister who was just super cool so she always got in and it was always that really embarrassing you know she'd get in and i'd not get in and that would be the end of our evening so yeah i have been turned away and and it's very painful because you absolutely know it's on account of how you look. It's not a great feeling. Have you? Well, surely not. I've never even attempted to get in. So I'm far worse than you.

But surely your sister didn't go in without you. Yeah, I don't want to make her out to be, you know, kind of mean or whatever. But it was much more her thing than mine. I was always very happy to go home. I mean, it didn't happen very often. I think it only happened a couple of times and then I just didn't bother to go. You know, I didn't like nightclubs because you can't sit down and have a nice chat like this, Jane.

No, you can't. At all. I mean, it's just, you know, big bang, bonging house. I genuinely think nightclubs are a hazard if you're shorter than average because, as you say, a lot of that's standing up and talking. You're craning your neck. That's why I've got a lifetime of tension headaches.

Is it? Studio 54 did it for you. Yeah, the Worcester branch. Well, just back to when we were at university, we had Studio 3. Hilarious. No, it was super straight. I mean, if you squinted a bit, you know, it was definitely... Everyone was in Halston.

It was in Canterbury. It was in Canterbury, just by the railway station. Right, I mean, there's... It's a classic night out, Canterbury, isn't it? I don't know why you didn't mention it to Patricia Field. Sure, she's been out on the lash in Canterbury. Has anything happened in Canterbury since they built the cathedral? It was that nasty business.

You're very, very mean. There was some terrible business in that cathedral. Right. The answer is no, not really. I think they built a ring road in 1973. Right. Canterbury, you can fight back. You know what to do. Jane and Fee at times.radio. York is more

interesting than Canterbury, isn't it? I always think it's intriguing that Canterbury is the ultimate, we're back on religion, the ultimate Church of England place. But York, it's got the railway museum, the shambles. And? Well, that's it now. But, and, yes, and. Okay.

All right, come in York. There was a chocolate manufacturer in York, wasn't there? Was it Roundtree? Was it Yorkie? OK, right. Good evening. You have been listening to Off Air with Jane Garvey and Fee Glover. Our Times Radio producer is Rosie Cutler and the podcast executive producer is Ben Mitchell.

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