Off Air... with Jane and Fi - Gasping for a lovely drink - with Paul Feig

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Jane and Fi discuss beauty therapists reviewing their patients, and ask if a group of elderly nuns who encounter a naturist on a ramble are entitled to be alarmed...They're joined by Paul Feig - the Hollywood director of Bridesmaids, The Heat and Ghostbusters about turning his attention to mixology with his new book 'Cocktail Time!'If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] Producer: Kate LeeTimes Radio Producer: Rosie CutlerPodcast Executive Producer: Ben Mitchell Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Ah, the familiar chink of cocktail coupes. Welcome to Off Air with Jane and Fi. I had more of the martini than you did, I think, didn't I? I think you did, yeah. I only had a tiny little sip and it went straight to my head. Your performance afterwards was very out of course. Well, no, the really weird thing was that we were both lisping in anticipation of even having a drink.

We were stone cold sober, but just the thought of the dangerous spirit that was going to enter the studio meant that we were stumbling all over our words. Paul Feig was our guest today and he was delightful, wasn't he? What a lovely man. And so smart. I mean, we could learn a thing or two, couldn't we? Well, he was in a bespoke Savile Row suit and he looked ever so elegant. He had a proper shirt

and tie on. For people who don't know his work, and not everybody stays to see the credits roll, he's the director behind loads of movies, the theme being really interesting strong and different female leads. So he's done Spy, Ghostbusters

the remake and Bridesmaids will be his most famous film. But he's also directed loads of things like The Office and Arrested Development and some episodes of Mad Men. So he's a proper Hollywood ledge. Well, it was lovely to have him in the studio. And he talked to us really, this might seem strange, but he was here really to talk about alcohol

because when the pandemic struck, he started doing lots of mixology films on the socials and he popped these mini movies up and he just became a bit of a thing, didn't he? He did and he decided to write a book, which is much more than just the cocktail recipes. So there's lots of anecdotage from all of his Hollywood mates, but he's a good writer as well

and he's got a nice kind of self-deprecating tone. Yeah, he did tell us, and it was quite helpful actually, that it was perfectly natural. He did tell us. Look well, and he's got a nice kind of self-deprecating tone. Yeah. He did tell us, and it was quite helpful, actually, that it was perfectly natural. He did tell us. Look, that's what's happened. You're just thinking about Booth and you're falling in love with yourself. He did tell us that it was perfectly natural to be lisping in anticipation of a drink. Well, you should always be gasping for a lovely drink.

That's my feeling. That's me. Yes, are you are you oh i always am yes uh did you get very very drunk during the pandemic well it definitely happened uh you know i wanted to do something for people you know starting right at the beginning of lockdown remember it was terrifying because we had no idea how it was being transmitted and i just knew i wanted to help and i wanted to raise money for first responders and medical professionals and all that. And so I thought, well, I can, I'll start to make cocktails, learn how to make cocktails. I knew how to make a martini and a Negroni, but I have all these cocktail books. I thought, well, I'll do this on camera and we'll have fun and try to give somebody, everybody something to watch at five o'clock, you know,

Los Angeles time where I was at the time, uh, every day for a hundred days in a row. And we did it. And it was, I think it was nice for people. I think they had something to kind of look forward to. And how big did it all get? I mean, it got it got pretty big. It didn't go like crazy, like Stanley Tucci or anything. My friend Stanley Tucci. He is your friend. He is my friend. Yes. And he's he's gone through the roof and much more monetized his cocktail skills.

But no, it was really nice. i think we raised a lot of money and um and it just so many people would write me and just kind of thank me for just giving them something to take their mind off of how scary it was at that time is um is america's attitude to alcohol very different to the traditional british approach because i don't associate you with drinking heavily no well we are a puritanical country and you do see it um but you see it more in depends where you are like los angeles is very basically kind of alcohol adverse like if you go out to lunch like a business lunch and dare order a glass of wine or something suddenly eyebrows go up and then you hear from the town oh so-and-so has a drinking problem. No, I'm just having a nice glass of wine. Yeah, especially for gin, because I'm a gin fanatic,

and gin is not very popular in the U.S., but it's obviously hugely popular here. Yeah, you feel it changing. I think Uber has changed a lot in the States as far as drinking goes because you couldn't go out and get home, but now it's much easier to go out and get home so i do think people are opening up more but it's not it's not the boozy culture that i love the uk for and it was london that uh where you found booze to be a bit more intriguing wasn't

it when you were a younger man yeah yeah which i find strange because i think you must be talking about when would it be, in the 1980s? Well, I first started coming here in the 90s. I was here a couple of times earlier than that, but the 90s when my wife and I met in 1990 and we always came here. Because the London that you describe as a kind of glamorous place to drink, certainly more glamorous than, you know, the places that you would have been able to drink back in America.

You know, I always think of London as not great, actually, for glamour. Back in the 90s, it was pubs, it was loud bars. Where were you going? I found a few. I mean, you can go into the Savoy and the Clarendon. Oh, that's where you were going wrong, Pete. Yeah, exactly. Not that I could afford it back then.

No, for me, it was more the idea that drinking wasn't looked upon as being so taboo here. You know, in America, when you go to a bar, it's a closed bunker with no windows. was more the idea that drinking wasn't looked upon as being so taboo here you know in america when you go to a bar it's a it's a closed bunker with no windows and um so you're kind of there's a shame about it and here the first time walking down the street and seeing all these people standing out on the street i go what's going on did they evacuate a building it's like oh no it's a pub and it's closing time you know people are off work and people are just out having a drink and it's there's windows and there's children in the pub

and it's this nice kind of social scene. And I thought that was really magical for me. Yeah. You've brought your cocktail equipment into the studio. Would you like to start mixing something? Yes, I'm going to make you what I consider to be the best martini in the world. Lovely. I do it.

I think we've got a little bit of music just to help. Oh, isn't it? Lovely. Very, wow. Oh, isn't it? Lovely. This is very, wow, this is very Esquivel. Oh, that's lovely. But I tell you, could you be the classic bartender and we'll just chat amicably while you mix the drink? Yeah. Hey, welcome, ladies.

I'm glad you could make it to my place. Well, we're delighted to be here. What star sign are you? I'm a Virgo. What star sign are you, Joan? Cancer. Okay. I'm a Pisces. Well, you don't count. We're not interested. It's me and Paul. What's the last line of you, Joan? Cancerow. Okay. I'm a Pisces. Well, you don't count.

We're not interested. It's me and Paul. That's right. Exactly. You're still nasty. Why did you want to specifically make films to tackle a female stereotype? Was it a kind of Damascene conversion one day, or did you just notice this hinterland that Hollywood was ignoring?

Well, I was mostly friends with women and girls growing up and loved them and their senses of humor. Mind if I stir while we do this? Paul, I really don't mind. Thank you. It's got to be very cold. And so they were funny and smart and everything, and then I would watch movies,

and you would just see these female characters either being very one-dimensional in comedy, especially they're either the shrewish girlfriend or the mean wife or the mean mother. And then I had friends, you know, who were famous kind of female comedians and you'd see them in a movie and they weren't allowed to be funny. They were just being mean or terrible. And it made me very upset. And I always wanted to tell women's stories anyway. I just feel very much closer to those funny. They were just being mean or terrible and it made me very upset and I always wanted to tell women's stories anyway. I just feel very much closer to those stories and so just kind of

started to do it but it was hard. I couldn't do it in the beginning. It wasn't until really until Bridesmaids took off that it allowed me to be able to get them made. We're very grateful. The fuss around the female Ghostbusters. That was another one of yours but that was incredible. It was exhausting.

It was really, and it was so silly. And a lot of it, I will say, a lot of it came from the UK. Did it? Yeah, yeah. It was kind of amazing. And look, I get it. It's a sacred cow, that movie. I didn't realize what a sacred cow was because I was in college when it came out.

But a lot of young boys grew up with it. And I guess I kind of stepped into something that they just didn't want me to do. But, you know, what's nice is this whole new generation of younger people really love the movie. And, you know, I have a lot of parents come up and say, oh, it's my son and daughter's favorite movie. When you've been a director for as long as you have

and a really successful one, do you find it changes your eye just in how you view the world? Does it become more uncomfortable to be in a world where things aren't going entirely your way all the time you'd think i'd be a control freak but uh no i i i if anything i am addicted to the world around me uh and observing it and trying to find out how to portray things more realistically and also what are people interested in because that's the hardest thing we have in this business is coming up with ideas that people care about. You know, because we can come

up with ideas we like all day long, but you really have to run it through a litmus test of does anyone want to see that? And what I have to do is say, okay, if I was in a movie theater and saw a trailer for this movie and I didn't know myself, I would say oh, would I have to see that or not? And that cuts out a lot of movies, if you really think about it.

You're listening to Off Air with Jane and Fi. We're talking to Hollywood director turned mix ecologist Paul Feig. And we're going back to him at the perfect time. I think it's time to pour these martinis, too. Oh, Paul, go for it. Here they go. There was so much drinking in Mad Men, wasn't there? Do you ever worry a little bit about that kind of image?

You know, drink pulls people down in real life, if we can be realistic about it. I don't know. That is true. That's something, you know, being the cocktail guy with my book and everything, you do kind of go, like, I don't want to, like, lure people into some kind of vice but at the same time you know adult living and and you know having fun as a grown-up is about you know grown-up vices if you will but you have to be able to handle them you

know responsibly uh but yeah i mean madman i actually only did a few episodes of it so uh i feel much less he He's not responsible. It's not my fault, exactly. Nothing to do with you. Speaking of drinks, there we go. What do you think of these glasses? Because somebody went up to the 17th floor and basically nicked them, I think. What would you describe them as?

These are a little more, I would dare say, champagne glasses. Classic Marie Antoinette. Now, normally that glass would be frozen, so it's not quite cold enough. I'm sorry we weren't able to do that. That's okay, but I don't want you to judge me fully on this. I thought better of the people who run News UK. I thought they'd have had, well, I'm sorry. I know, it's very upsetting. What's in this pool and what makes it so classic and so special?

It's a gin. It's my own gin, by the way. Ardingstall's Brilliant London Dry Gin, which I make. Good grief. It is available now. Do you like it? classic and so special it's a gin it's my own gin by the way uh arting stalls brilliant london dry gin which i make um it is available now do you like it yeah absolutely excellent whether i can continue working i don't know that's my goal is to take you down um and i make a very dry martini so i just literally like a drop of vermouth but then uh stir it until it's very very cold and then a lemon twist which you just uh express the express the lemon oil on top of the surface. Oh, my word, Paul. Yeah, and then off you go.

Yes. In all seriousness, how many of these could you get through on a sort of standard evening? I mean, if the evening's sort of, if I'm drawing it out over the evening, I could do three or four. But that's over the course of the evening. If you just down them in one sitting. Yeah mean i should point out that fee and i are we're both about five foot one and i just put it to you that we might struggle with more than one of these okay yeah actually i poured you a small one there i still i've got enough here i could actually drink right out of the mixing glass even we have some sort of thank you thank you

someday quorum please yeah okay um what can we talk sort of semi-seriously about the state of it? It's a big question for you, Paul, but you are an American. Yes. What's happening to America? Well, I'm very heartened by the midterms, I will say. Okay. So. Yeah, because we really thought it was going to go off the rails with all these election deniers and all that.

That's my kind of, we, a lot of us here, don't get the election denial thing. We don't get it either, honestly. Here, I will explain it to you in one word, sore loser, two words. It's basically Donald Trump is a malignant narcissist. And I was like,

oh, how is he going to handle when he loses? And you go, oh, no, I know how he's going to handle when he loses. He's going to say he didn't lose. And that's what it was. And so everybody else just jumped on it.

I don't know if anybody else believes it. I mean, it was proven to be one of the most honest elections ever in our country. And yet one guy who can't deal with it just opened this up. And they, you know, the GOP saw it as just any way to just stay in power. So they just all kind of jumped on it. But fortunately, you know, the majority of Americans rejected it. And that was really heartening to me. Why isn't there a greater push within the younger demographic in America to be represented by somebody their own age?

Well, I mean, there is. The problem is just, you know, still the majority of the electorate is still older voters. And, you know, I mean, honestly, the young vote really saved us in the midterms. They came out for this in a way that polling didn't show because polling doesn't tend to go through cell phones. You know, they go through traditional phones and all that. So that's, you know, older people have that. But, no, they definitely want it. It's just it's an uphill battle to find the person who's going to really set everybody on fire at the same time. But we've got some great people. I'm a big fan of Gretchen, oh God.

Out of Michigan. I wish I knew the name. Not Whitmer. Gretchen Whitmer? I nearly said it. Yes, there you go. And I'm from Michigan, so I'm going to be drummed up. Are you two both very, very drunk?

Yes, we are. I didn't even have any yet. I'm going right to this mixing glass, I'll tell you that. And actually, the whole female empowerment thing has been yours, been your domain. You've made it your domain. But there are still Kamala Harris, again, for reasons that many of us here don't fully get because we're not entirely up to speed with American politics. But why has she been such a flop and why aren't people talking about her as a potential successor? I don't know. I'm a big Kamala fan, I have to say. And I supported her

in the in the election. But I mean, I think, you know, Joe Biden has a way he wants to do things. And he doesn't want to have, I think, somebody, you know, his vice president sort of, you know, coming in and taking too much of the spotlight, I guess. I don't quite understand it. But, you know, I'm I'm a Biden fan. so I know that's taboo to say it. But I think he's doing a really good job. If you look at what he's doing, what he's getting accomplished, it's pretty good. Do you want to see him run again? No, I mean, he just turned 80, so I don't want to be ageist on anybody.

Well, you can be, because let's just be honest about it. It's too old. It's up there. It's up there. It's up there. It is. It is up there it's up there so it's up there yeah it is yeah exactly yeah until i made you then i'll be like hey he's young leave him alone master of understatement as a filmmaker and as a creative how do you get the message across to an increasingly polarized audience so we talked i mentioned powder keg uh your your digital content uh initiative you know how are you ever going to

get those first person experiences witnessed by people who need to maybe see a little bit more from a different kind of a place well it depends who's telling the story i'm very enamored with jordan peele i think he's very very smart and the fact that he, you know, is able to tell these black stories through the horror genre and people go to see it because you go, because you just see that. It doesn't matter who you are, you know, what color you are. You go like, that looks like a cool movie. I want to go see that. And that's what it is. It's just, it's a meritocracy now. It's up to us as filmmakers. We can't just put stuff on Goldberg. Everyone's going to go see it. We have to find undeniable ideas and do them in a way that make people want to go.

So it's harder for us to figure that out, but that's what we should be doing. I think one of the absolutely blissful things about Bridesmaids is it was a movie that you could go and see with your male friends or your husband or your partner, and they would watch it and find the funny bits too, in a way that I think perhaps the title didn't suggest they were going to enjoy it. Yeah, there was a lot of, you know, they were rejecting it, but a lot of guys got dragged to it.

And basically I think it was like, okay, I'll go with her to this, and then she has to go see whatever superhero movie or war movie I want to see. Or The Hangover. Yeah, exactly. But then they saw it and they really liked it, and they realized it was okay. And that's why I think a lot of my movies have done pretty well, like The Heat and Spy. You know, it's a buddy cop movie.

It's a spy movie. I try not to – I want to make movies that everybody can enjoy. And I want to make movies that women are in that they don't go, oh, that's a chick flick or whatever, which I despise the term chick flick. I think it's just a way for guys to write off a movie starring women. Okay. Take us inside your cultural life. What are you watching at the moment? What am I watching right now? I'm actually

watching a lot of true crime and documentaries. I know. You know what it is? Because I'm in comedy, and so everything around me tends to be kind of light. You relax with a bit of murder. I do. I'm fascinated by what people, the weird, terrible things people do, or what people believe. I'm really into that.

I don't know if you've been watching The Vow about the NXIVM, a whole NXIVM cult that got taken down in the US. It's fascinating. It's really fascinating. Where would I find that? That is on HBO Max, which I don't think you have here,

but I'm sure there's a way to get it somehow. Apparently it's on Now TV, I've just been told. Oh, there you go. Excellent. Well, that's a recommendation. What are you reading? What am I reading? I'm reading cocktail books. Oh, Paul, please. I know, exactly. Actually, you reading what am i reading i'm reading my cocktail books i know exactly i know i oh actually you know what i just started reading um uh seabag montefiore's new book uh the world the world which is fascinating 1 300 pages it's a big tome but

it's fantastic and he's a friend of mine too he and his wife santa montefiore who's a great novelist too so that's really fun okay are you reading stanley tucciore, who's a great novelist, too. So that's really fun. Okay. Are you reading Stanley Tucci's Taste? It's a lovely little read. I read it. I read it. Oh, no, it's great. I mean, Stanley is the most wonderful guy. I'm a person who has had Stanley make dinner for me.

So I've actually eaten a Stanley. Oh, so good. I'm going to tell you the secret. He made gnocchi with this amazing sauce, but his wife makes the gnocchi and Felicity. And it's the lightest cloud of air you've ever had in your life but then he made a beautiful leg of lamb and everything it's everything there is imagine being a tucci i know i know just incredible i mean not

that being a paul well i know phoenix is a little bit of a step down no it isn't no it isn't we turned stanley wanted to come on today and we said no. We said no. We'd rather have Paul. Finally. So that was Paul Feig. What a lovely, just lovely half an hour in his company.

And we should say a huge thank you as well to Einar Orn, our technical director. Oh, don't thank him. No, don't be silly because he magicked up that lovely lounge music

that went on in the background and it made it all feel really special, Jane. Did it? We had a lot we looked at each other and thought here we are in a lovely amazing we really didn't have a chat having a drink uh unfortunately there were microphones in the room so it's never quite as intimate as you would like it to be in lots of ways i've had a funny day because the Spanish man who's on the servery, I was just buying, very innocuously, some sparkling water and a Diet Coke.

And he looked at me and said, I can't do the Spanish accent, but he basically said, he said, do you like to fight? And I said, no. I mean, what chance would I get, really, in a fight? And he said, oh, I'm a very volatile person. I'm Spanish and we love to fight. And I said, I'm English and I like to compromise.

Just give me a lot of drinks. Had you done something a little bit aggressive? Well, I bustled to the counter with the things I wanted to pay for, but I don't think you could call that aggressive. I think your bustling is very aggressive. I don't think you realise how aggressive your bustling is. It's not intended to be. I pose no threat to anyone as you well know well he obviously thought that you were you know fists up to the world just no nothing could be further from the truth okay

have we had any emails we've had lots of emails uh this one comes from claudia who says hello jane and fee my girlfriends and i a few years ago started a campaign in response to movember who says, to a salon i was seen by a very much younger therapist i explained why i looked the way i did and apologized and tipped at the end of the wax she gave me a piece of paper a bit like a report card and on it it said very thick hair mortified doesn't cover it i've never before or since been given notes after a wax am i alone in this uh love your show please continue podcasting for as long as possible well we certainly will, Claudia, but I would love to throw that out to our universe. We have had stories before of people

where the therapist has said something after the wax. And there was one delightful anecdote of a woman who had gone in for half leg and bikini because she was so hairy the therapist had said I'm sorry you're going to have to pay for a full leg just because there are so many more hairs on your half leg than usual and you can't

understand that same amount of wax being used but we haven't heard of anything being written down so we'd love to take stories on that and obviously what a lovely thing to do Febu Hairy that's really clever it's a good idea isn't it I think that therapist went that's not right. You can't make assessments of people's,

the level of thickness of people's body air. I think she might be in the wrong profession, that therapist. Anyway, Claudia, I hope you're over it. Well, she sounds like she is, to be fair. But thank you for contacting us on this. And yes, we're throwing it open to the wider off-air community uh fee and jane while recently researching a staycation i stumbled upon a trip i love trip advisor i i'm always on it are you on it or are you writing post on it but i always check it check it out um i stumbled upon a TripAdvisor review of Sherwood Forest.

The heading was, the nudes are getting out of control. And I had to investigate further. I'm not surprised, Katrina, who sent the email. Apparently, the RSPB, since taking over some of the forest management, has welcomed naturists to use some specific areas. But according to unhappy reviewers, naked ramblers are now popping up all over the place in ever-increasing numbers. As neither the reserved British climate nor character favoured social nudity historically, these reviews perfectly encapsulate the far more conflicted, less glamorous and uniquely British attitude towards naturism today.

They've started a petition to outlaw naturism here, with their summary argument being, there is no need to walk about naked. Clothes do not stop you enjoying the forest. There are also lots of people who do like walking about naked there, but as they are rambling in wooded areas, are presumably sporting a fetching combo look of nudity, apart from walking socks and shoes.

Or as another reviewer noticed, wearing only wellies, not even good ones at that. And that is the final straw, isn't it? I mean, if someone's in hunter wellies and nothing else, you can just about forgive them. But honestly, bog standard ones.

We've got a theme of people saying honest things where maybe they should keep their mouths shut This is a delightful email from Helen Shall I read the email and then will you do the very serious response at the bottom? From the Crown Prosecution Service no less You can't say

we don't cover ground here Dear Jane and Fee, you did well to keep the interview about naturists going yesterday I don't think it was our finest hour, actually. I'm on a car journey. Although when our finest hour was is lost in the mists of time. But still, darling, it's still to come. I'm on a car journey and I'm relaying the interview to my husband

in response to hypothetically meeting a group of hikers who decided against the cagoule. He confidently said that's not allowed. It's against the law of the land. Now, the legal aspect of nudity wasn't covered yesterday. Not that I'm planning to, but is it legal to hike in the nude? Well, Helen, here comes the response. Although every case should be considered according to its facts and merits in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors,

a consistent approach to naturism should be adopted to maintain public confidence in the CPS. Where none of the features exist that would bring behaviour within the ambit of one of the offences set out in the section on other offences that might involve nudity below, the recommended approach to naturism should be as follows. In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress, it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were

actually caused harassment, alarm or distress, as opposed to considering the likelihood of this. Nudity in public alone with no aggravating features is very unlikely to amount to this or any other offence. You see, I still think that it would be a shock if you were not expecting to see a bunch of naked people and then you did see them. But isn't that saying that if you were distressed and shocked by that, then that would be enough for an offence to be considered to have been committed. Let's say a group of elderly nuns are going for a ramble. Yes. And they encounter some naturists.

Yes. In, for example, Sherwood Forest. Yes. Would they not be entitled to be somewhat alarmed? Yes, and I think the Cps is saying that they've got it covered no pun intended yep uh that uh if they reported that distress and the naturists hadn't put their clothes on because they'd caused distress then they could consider it to be an offense but i'm with you because the shock is you know it, it's a bit, oh my eyes, oh my eyes. You can't see it. We're both relatively myopic without our varifocals. And I wonder whether

I'd have my varifocals on a ramble. Yes. During a ramble. So you think that if it's blurry, it's not quite so offensive. We all know that to be the case. But I still think there's probably no more ridiculous sight on this earth, and I'm going to say this, than a man wearing walking shoes, a bobble hat and nothing else. Well, I think, just to be fair, I would say the same thing about a woman. I wouldn't look forward to seeing myself wearing a bobble hat, walking shoes and nothing, although I don't know. I certainly haven't

got thick hair claudia oh dear uh jane and fiat times dot radio uh if you would like to contribute or if you'd like us to stop talking about this we'll take we'll take either email we'll take the hint uh oh gosh it was also the day for the Advent calendar of beauty, wasn't it? So we just want to acknowledge that. There's a Black Friday special offer on the first ever Sunday Times Advent calendar containing beauty products worth a lot of money. And the actual Advent calendar itself is a moderately reasonable price. I mean, expensive, don't get me wrong. But when you consider the value of the goods enclosed within the calendar, it's quite good value.

Yeah, so you turned around a bit on that, didn't you? I did. When you realised that it was actually 23 days of re-gifting opportunities and one very sought-after present for yourself, I think you became slightly keener. Yes. If you listen to Off Air tomorrow, see if you can tell the difference, because I'll have smothered myself in anti-wrinkle cream.

And I got the Boy Smells candle, which I still think is just, I mean, I'm sure it's a great brand, but, I mean, sitting around the boardroom going, what should we call this? Boy Smells. Who came up with Boy Smells? Probably a naked rambler. Right, join us tomorrow, if you must.

It's, thank you for listening to this, Jane and Fee Off Air. Oh, I'm looking forward to it already. Off Air with Jane and Fee. I still don't know what it's called. I don't know what itane and fee off air oh i'm looking for off air with jane and fee i still don't know no i don't know what it is let's lisp our way through it i think it's uh it's off air with jane and fee yeah i thought it was yeah because do you remember the memo tom allen on the program tomorrow and on the podcast okay good night bye you have been listening to off air with jane garvey and fee glover our times radio producer is rosie cutler and the podcast executive producer is ben mitchell now you can listen to us on the free times radio app or you can download every episode from wherever you get your podcasts and Thank you.