Off Air... with Jane and Fi - I was an exceptionally slow walker, due to my bulk (with Jill Scott)

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Happy Monday! Fi is manhandling microphones and Jane is feeling energised. Elsewhere, Jane and Fi share their film and TV picks, and we mark the end of cats on toilets. They're joined by Lioness legend Jill Scott. She's currently working with a campaign to improve kitchen facilities at local clubs to bring communities together, after winning the Euros with England AND being crowned Queen of the Jungle 2022. If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] Follow us on Instagram! @janeandfi Assistant Producer: Megan McElroy Times Radio Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Yes, it was quite vigorous the way you grappled with it it's the beginning of the week jane yes are we on am i on yeah i feel a bit and relative well it's all relative quite energized today do you now why do you think that is what do you have for your lunch uh i had uh chicken with pasta and jalapenos and a bit of oh I didn't eat that squash no I noticed that actually well look you've had a slow release in carb yeah maybe that's it yeah that must be it so fasting's in the news because our prime minister here in the UK Rishi Sunak I think I don't think he revealed it someone revealed it it on his behalf. Sources close to. Sources close to. Sriracha, ketchup, all of them. They've all released the information that he fasts between. So it's 5pm on a Sunday.

And... No, is it 7pm on a Sunday? No, I think it's 5. And then it's until 5am on Tuesday morning. For a start, who's up at 5? I'm fasting at 5 because I'm asleep. It's not that bloody difficult. But it's quite a weird one because obviously sources close to the Prime Minister must have thought that this would portray him in quite a kind of modern and

self-controlled and kind of dedicated light. But actually, if you're of the persuasion like we are, that there's nothing quite as good as a nice lunch. Or just a meal, really. Just a good meal, hot meal. Three times a day. With three different types of things on the plate, then it's not very appealing at all. And of course, now, you just really worry, don't you?

Because if World iii breaks out and we do live in times of impending doom on a monday evening i mean that's a bloke with a low blood sugar level i make terrible decisions so i haven't eaten all day i mean really terrible decisions jay yeah yes well i don't i can't i'm saying yes but i don't know you wouldn't because he just wouldn't never never well we used to joke didn't we that you did intermittent fasting it was when you're asleep yeah that's it it's worked a treat for me yeah anyway I am still in recovery and I need some other people to get in touch on this subject because I can talk and really genuinely think of nothing else but that film all of us strangers i just i haven't been as moved or as just boggled

by a film in years decades now this is about friendship starring andrew scott and paul mescal it's not friendship it's two men that they have an affair but there's much more to it than that much more and it's about it's about parenting and it's about missed opportunities and isolation in the city and loneliness. And I just think, and it's magical, actually. It is a magical film. And I just, Rosie, our chief colleague, she'd seen it last night as well.

And she said, yes, it was quite good. For me it was honestly the best film I've seen for as long as I can remember V, it was better than Jungle Cruise That's right No it was. Who can forget the impact that had on you? That was when I said that I'd fallen

in love again, fallen back in love with cinema. That was after Covid when I hadn't been to the cinema. It wasn't so much the fact you said that, it was the way you said it. Dwayne the Rock. It was just very, very, very, hello, Marlene Dietrich. Yeah, OK.

Anyway, so if you've seen that movie, I've not seen that movie because we had a bit of a family celebration at the weekend. Yes, and it went well. And it went very well. It's over. It went very well. I did wake up on Sunday morning feeling like,

I felt like I'd lost a stone in weight. I'd been on holiday. Everything was good in the world. No wrong was happening to anybody on the planet. I just felt lighter, Jane. Yes, I can imagine. Yes, there's something in. It's just...

It's going back... I mean, obviously, so this is my son's 18th birthday party. But it took me back to those times of early years parenting, when you're responsible, just really, really, really responsible. And you forget what that feeling's like, really, don't you?

And then when you've got a house full... I can't... Seriously, I can't imagine. But they were lovely. They had such a nice time just absolutely lovely and you know welcome to the adult world sunny jim a warm welcome yeah i'm sure he'll make the most of it um i have to say the pandemic had nothing good about it except to say that my 18 year old she became 18 during covid and had a party on Zoom, which actually was sad. That's so sad.

It was sad. It was sad. She's 21 next week. Well, I hope that she's making up for it by doing a big 21st. Well, it's a big healthy. She's planning to. Anyway, she's at university, so she can have one there. I feel a bit bereft, actually, because I won't be with her on her 21st.

But then I suppose you give birth to them, go away don't they well they can do yeah can i just recommend a couple of things are you watching criminal record no i don't know that so that is the crime it's a cop drama series and it stars peter capaldi and kush jumbo and it is fantastic i haven't seen, I haven't. You haven't? I haven't. Could someone go and search for the H? I haven't seen anything as good as that.

How good is that? Since Line of Duty. Really? And it's a bit kind of, you know, is it a bent copper? Is it not a bent copper kind of thing going down? But it's really, really superb. Four episodes up at the moment. I think there are only probably

a couple of episodes to go so catch up on that if you can and the other top recommendation is ray um the singer the crooner yeah the crooner well she's just much more than a crooner isn't she so she's been nominated for an absurd number of brits all very well deserved actually and um i just couldn't recommend her latest album, the one that she's had all of the nominations for, Enough. The album's called My 21st Century Blues. It's a journey album. And so it tells a lot of stories within the album.

And you can listen to it from start to finish. If you listen to it from start to finish, she introduces it at the beginning. Welcome to my world. And you follow her through it from start to finish. If you listen to it from start to finish, she introduces it at the beginning, Welcome to my world. And you follow her through all of these different stories. And then she says, you know, thanks for listening. And they're all about her. They're all about her.

And they're beautifully told. And some of them tell of really dark things in the music business and stuff. And as she explains in the album, it's taken her a very long time to make this. And it's just beautiful music and a friend of mine showed me uh she did a concert at the royal albert hall with the backing of an orchestra where she performed the album so if you like a bit of music you know with timpani

on and all of that kind of stuff it's a wonderful wonderful watch as well okay well i'll certainly look that up i will and actually you reminded me all of us strangers of stuff. It's a wonderful, wonderful watch as well. Okay, well, I'll certainly look that up. I will. And actually, you reminded me, All of Us Strangers has got an amazing soundtrack as well, 80s music. So things that I'd never, songs I'd never thought of as moving until I heard them in the context of this film.

The stuff by Alison Moyet, it's got a great voice. House Martins, Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Nice, very nice. That's our time, isn't it? Well, it is. I mean, I wonder whether that's why I found it so poignant

but anyway I just if you haven't been to the cinema for a long time and you think oh god there's nothing

it's all just crash bang wallop honestly trust me this isn't I'm still so tempted to just wait for things to come out on the streaming platforms

I don't know it was lovely last night because well it's not lovely to hear people crying but to hear to be amongst a crowd to feel the impact that the film was having on people felt very special. You see, I don't like that anymore. Just be honest.

No, I don't. I struggle with people, you know, crackling with people, crackling their way through essential emotional parts of a film whilst they try and find the minstrel that's got lost right at the bottom of the package. I didn't have minstrels, I had popcorn. I don't really like popcorn. I've said before, I think popcorn's a waste of time. Anyway, just go and see it.

Right, what do you want to do first? We must do the cat because i know at least one person can't stand anecdotes about cats yeah so let's just do this is our final cat segment yeah and also because to be honest the cat pictures they're not translating well when we describe them because they're just all of cats pissing and i think he's one cat pissing on a basin you've seen them all jane you've proved it okay apparently we are the only cat owners on earth who cannot train our moggies to pee appropriately okay and we're sorry about that and we're very jealous but please no more images because i don't know what the

authorities are making of this i mean the chinese are presumably monitoring it all what do they think in beijing what do you think they think at Times Towers? Because they're bound to have some kind of a firewall on all of our communications. Yes, I'm sure. Now, where is it? I don't know. What are you looking for? The one about the, you know what?

We'll find it. Beck says, hello Beck, I like Jane's comment about passing on rumours. One of my friends from work once passed on a rumour that was meant to be be top secret so you finished it with the caveat when you tell someone else this make sure you start the conversation with don't tell anyone else this which is i'm sure how all top spies operate yes i've met top spies and that's exactly what they always say isn't it when someone passes on something juicy It is always with the caveat, you must not spread this around. Don't tell anyone.

Yeah, always works, doesn't it? Yeah. Well, I think that there are very rare people, actually, the keepers of secrets, because I think too many people like the currency of the gossip. Love and Peace comes from Lottie, who's 24, and she's been listening to us since she was 18, when her mum got her hooked on the old podcast.

I think I've probably listened to every single episode over the years. Whilst travelling, through moving out, getting married, you're always the background voices while I go about my day or sleep. I've never thought to write him before, but after hearing Wednesday's episode, where a listener shared her cat watching her use the loo when... This is the last one. I thought you might like to see the footage of our six-month Maine Coon, Quentin,

using the toilet with grace and ease. We never taught or showed him this. He just started out one day out of the blue. I thought you may enjoy a recent happening in which my mum's 15-year-old cockapoo cost us over a grand in CT scans and tests after a three-week funny turn. Now, Lottie is training as a veterinary nurse and no one at work could quite figure out exactly what was causing her shaking and strange behaviour. But then they found out that she'd been eating my mum's HRT patches and had basically plunged herself into menopause. So you see, it's not about

a cat. It's a cockap cat. It's a cockapoo. It's a cockapoo. So we've totally steered around cats for that. And I hope that person who complained about the cat content is now happy. But I think, Lottie, what we'd really like to know is the manifestation of what you call strange behaviour. I mean, obviously, the shaking's terrible. But what else went down when the cockapoo went into an early menopause? But what else went down when the cockapoo went into an early menopause?

Lottie can confirm that she's absolutely fine now and she's back to her non-hormonal self. So do get back in touch if you've got any more detail on that. Now, last week we had an interview with the phenomenal Dame Stephanie Shirley. She came to the UK on the Kindertransport in 1939 when she was just a tiny girl she was five and she just forged this incredible path in computing actually a force of nature she is now a dame and a companion of honour and has received all sorts of other honours and titles over the years richly deserves all the credit she's had but this has come in from Rachel who says I'm a technology professional. I've managed to make a living working in IT for the last 25 years,

and I owe an awful lot to Dame Stephanie. I first read about her in the Computer Weekly at a time when I was just starting out as a programmer in a male-dominated industry. Fast forward 25 years, I'm still working in a male-dominated industry, but Dame Shirley's example is an inspiration to us all and I've talked about her at panel events with graduates and anyone who will listen. I'll attend any conference she's speaking at and I'm so thankful to her for

providing us with a model to emulate and someone to feel proud of. When my mum was sewing sleeves on cardigans in the evenings during the 70s to make extra cash, there were other women who were able to work as software developers using the piecework model in their own homes, allowing them to become financially independent. Dame Shirley then made them all millionaires when she sold the company in 2000, not to mention her philanthropic work for autism charities. But what I do find baffling is that I was on yet another gender diversity panel this week and we are still trying to tempt young women into jobs in tech. Why is it still so hard? Rachel, thank you for that. I know that you have daughters and you've been lobbying them and their friends to consider careers in tech, but none of them are interested, is that's surprising and incredibly depressing and as you say I don't know

why we're still in this position it's something that I've talked about in other programs I've done over the years on radio and it just seems women young women just seem quite resistant to that sort of work. Do you think it's the example that a lot of older women are setting? What, by? By not being curious enough about tech or, you know, talking about how difficult they find it to use tech or kind of laughing that they can't get involved in tech. Well, I mean, it's just a plain fact, isn't it,

that while young women choose not to go into tech, in spite of the best efforts of women like Rachel and, indeed, Stephanie Shirley, it is going to continue to be a male-dominated and thus perhaps not all that welcoming workplace for women. Because it's not that we don't like men. It's not that we don't want to be around men. But we don't want there to be ten times more men than women in our workspace. But also there's a terrible self-fulfilling prophecy as well because then the tech that gets made, that gets created,

you know, is... It's not women friendly. Yep. It's easier to use if you're a man and so we find it more difficult to interact. And we know already that AI is man-shaped. Yep. So we should just be very careful because we quite often laugh at the

inability to work things and stuff. And maybe we should be better at saying that's our bad, but let's find the good things that we can use and be positive and optimistic about them. If you have a view, you know what you can do. There's a slogan. That's very good. Jane and Fee at Times.Radio. And that's using tech to get in touch with us. Janet's in Tooting, which is in southwest London.

Fascinating story about remembering births. I don't remember mine at all, but I was born apparently with a cord around my neck. My amazing mother, Pauline, was told by the home birth midwife to stop pushing so I could be untangled. She says that felt impossible and terrifying, but I was born perfectly OK. She says that felt impossible and terrifying, but I was born perfectly okay, phew. However, I've always absolutely hated things touching my neck, like polo neck sweaters, coat collars, scarves, short necklaces, etc.

And I feel it's connected. And my first experience of the outside world was being partially strangled. But of course, this could all be in my imagination. Yeah. 23 was a tough year, but here we are in 24, says Janet. And we wish you the very best, actually. I think you've had quite a tough time over the last year or so. So that's intriguing, isn't it? Because that may well be some kind of a sensory memory that is just so ingrained in you.

Well, here's Karen, who says, I'm not the qualified expert on memory, but I do believe, I do believe, she says, that I remember being born. Not the birth canal bit, but the bit after. I've got an image of very blurry, dark, shadowy figures all peering down at me with a very bright white background. I was aware of noises voices that's

all i remember but it's a strong image and i've had it from a really young age when i was just a child and it keeps replaying i couldn't really understand it and it wasn't like a dream it was an image or an experience that has simply always stuck with me well i mean who's to say me well i mean who's to say there we are i think we're on to something yeah yeah if you too can recall i think probably the birth canal is an experience we do we want to avoid that i don't know i do the canal boats give me the giggles canal boats what is that i don't I'm just making a leap but it's just my idea of absolute hell I was going to suggest that we went on a little barge holiday

No, no, no So when I walk Nancy sometimes we walk down by the canal and I just always think it's always the scene of a really devastating murder in Inspector Morse or Happy Valley there's always kind of horrible people living on canal boats i'm sure they're not horrible people not all of them

but but in dramas canal as soon as you see there's a you know houseboats on a canal something bad happens yes i know what you mean it is a bit of a tv drama cliche yes yeah and the only times I've ever been on one, and they've been happy occasions, you know, for birthday parties and stuff like that. But it's just such a very odd vision of the world, just people walking past. You can only see up to people's knees, can't you, as they walk past, commenting on either the boat, you, their life or something. You're desperate to see their other bits, but all you can see is just their knees. It's just very odd. I've got really... I would have upset the houseboat community.

I'm sorry about that. Well, there we are. If you live on a houseboat and you'd like to make a formal complaint, you can certainly start with me. Me, Jane Rankin's actually been nice. Yeah, well, don't say it in that term. Look, it's only Monday.

I was feeling positive about the world. Jane says... I thought it was good, actually. You did one of these questionnaires. Was it in the Times on Saturday, wasn't it? I think so. Yeah. Well, because I don't, for some reason, I get the Times delivered.

Yes, it's a perk of the job. It doesn't normally come on a Saturday. But I don't know why it doesn't. I've asked before why it doesn't. This Saturday it came. So as I turned the page, what did I see? You must have been thrilled. There she is. There she is, I thought.

No, but it was your, what is it, culture fix. Yes. So I thought you were very honest, actually, because I would, well, these questions, they just ask you what your favourite music is, favourite TV, and the temptation must be to sound, you know, really... Yes, intellectual, well-read, all of that. And I and I thought no I'm not going to do that I'm just going to be honest can I just make one correction though which other people have pointed out so they ask you about your favorite lyric and mine is by Jimmy Webb sung by Glen Campbell yeah

Jimmy Webb wrote the lyrics yes lyric yep which is on Wichita Lion Man. And it's, I need you more than one year and I want you for all time. Which is just so beautiful. But I said, you know, sung by Glen Campbell. And lots of people got in touch to say written by Jimmy Webb. So happy to make that correction. When I had CDs, and sometimes I really regret getting rid of my CDs. Have you got rid of your CDs? Yes, I have.

Yeah, I wish I hadn't. I don't know why I did, really. I suppose space. There was a, I had a CD of Jimmy Webb singing all his best songs and Richard and Lyman was one of them. Yeah, it is a beautiful song. Yeah, he's such an amazing, such an amazing songwriter. Absolutely fantastic. Yes, I thought you came across very authentically. I just love this caroline because this is just something i hadn't thought about for years and she's put it right back to the front and center of my brain thank you caroline she's 60 this year don't worry about it caroline perhaps you and i could have a joint function we'll invite everybody who should be invited? I don't know. What's the total number there? Me, Caroline. I don't know, we might be able to dredge up a couple of relatives. I was just thinking about when I

was at school, going to those really weird careers meetings and being told I've got to learn to type because I was a girl. Sod that, I thought, and I went on to become an engineer, then a mum, and latterly worked in sales. However, this is the bit I love, my ambition was actually to work on a fruit and veg market stall. So, and I just listen carefully because I love this, so I could twist the brown paper bag by its corners to secure the goods for a safe journey home. home. It used to fascinate me how many apples they could successfully spin and throw the said goods in an anti-clockwise movement towards them and then not split the bag. I used to try it in private without success and hide behind my mother's skirt the following week when she complained how bruised the apples were. She never knew of my failed career. Now I have not thought of that for decades, but it's true.

Those happy-go-lucky chappies selling the fruit and veg used to put everything in things and then, yeah, and it was all done in one swift, incredibly slick movement and they didn't bruise the stuff. And don't you just hate the plastic bags on a roll in supermarkets? They're rubbish, yeah. They're so flimsy.

Yeah. They always split and they're not as satisfying at all. No, they're really not. So what a lovely memory to receive. That's the kind of thing we absolutely love. It's a bit niche, but it's beautiful. As well as fun French facts too. And then we need to get to our interview, which is today with...

Jill Scott. Brilliant. This one comes from Kath. It's quite a long email, but I'm just going to do the bit about drivers, if that's OK. Further to your conversation about drivers in Ireland not passing their tests. I live in France and here we have a category of cars for which you don't need a licence. They're two seaters. They're limited to 50 kilometres an hour, but anyone can drive them out on the public roads. They used to be popular with older ladies in rural france whose husbands had passed away and they needed to do the shopping they're also great for drink drivers who lose their license that's incredible as well as for people whose

doctors tell them they should no longer be behind the wheel of a car but that's just terrible because they're two-seaters presumably they're a little bit flimsy and you can't accelerate out of trouble. Anyway, Kath goes on to say they're all the rage with youngsters. As new trendy models are available and you can drive from the age of 14. I've expressed my astonishment many times to French friends but received nothing more than a gallic shrug. And Caroline in France has sent us the same thing. These cars according to Caroline are called Voiture sans Permis.

That translates literally as cars without permits without license. That just about anyone can drive by anybody that's to say people who've never taken a driving test if you were born before 1988, it's a lot of detail now. Bear attention, everybody. A little dense, but... Don't drop off yet. Every day's a school day. People who've had their licences taken away,

even for drink driving and speeding offences. I think this is just bizarre. And you can only imagine my joy, says Caroline, each time I find one in front of me on an 80 kilometre an hour road. Oh, my God. And the calibre of the drivers, dot, dot, dot, as Caroline says. So, yes, that's just a little bit weird, don't you think? I think it is very weird.

I mean, we are somewhat, we do judge foreign in speech marks drivers, don't we? what we do judge foreign in speech marks drivers don't we uh and we do tend to think that driving standards are lower on the place we now call the continent on mainland europe the continent and um but whether that's strictly true i don't know um i mean the idea my idea of absolute hell would be an emergency that necessitated me driving around the Arc de Triomphe. No, nobody would want that. No, I cannot think of anything worse, truly. You're right, actually, because it's about five lanes, isn't it, the Arc de Triomphe? Yes.

I mean, Shepherd's Bush roundabout is one thing. A friend of my sister's once got just so panicked at the roundabout at Hyde Park Corner that she just got out and left her car. Okay. Which just seems... I didn't think it would really solve anything. No, I mean, well, it's sorted out in the short term, but you've got to get back in somewhere.

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from 10 to 11. And get on with your day. Accessibility. There's more to iPhone. Right, let's talk football. And actually, this is a very positive conversation with Jill Scott, who is one of the lionesses, one of the England team, who secured that victory in the Euros back in 2022.

Then she did a bit of celebrity reality telly and went on the Jungle programme. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. She won that also. And now she is involved with a campaign to improve kitchen facilities at local football clubs. This is part of a wider effort to bring communities a little bit closer together. So she told me how she got involved. Basically, I got approached by Howden's Kitchens about putting kitchens in grassroots football clubs. And basically, it was a campaign of theirs

that they wanted to give away free kitchens. I think they've already given away over 140 kitchens and they're doing a three-year plan which is worth three million pound and sometimes people think oh it's just a kitchen but it's really really changed the grassroots club i think there's a lot of clubs that are underfunded a lot of clubs where you couldn't even probably get a cup of tea a hot drink at half time and i think it's kind of helped them in terms of raising funds and being able to put on events but also that social side of being able to have a chat being able to stay

after football which you know the world at the minute there's a lot of people that are struggling with mental health so I just think it's been a great initiative and when Howard and Zastas to get involved for the second year running I was very pleased because I've been out there. I've seen the impact it's had on local clubs, on clubs throughout the UK. And yeah, it's just great to be involved. Do you think people sometimes underestimate the importance of football clubs to a community, to keeping people together? Yeah, I think so.

I went to see one in particular in Hebbin and just to see how much work that they've done within the community they've built the club from a few teams to they've got well over 50 60 teams now and they say that it really has become the hub of the community the football club and they've got places where people can go and chat they've got some of the girls that have played since um younger age level and then they've gone on to play for the senior team they do some shifts in the kitchen as well and they just say that it's nice just to chat to customers and it's really helped them with their development as well and even people that stepped away from that club but they're still coming back and a couple of them were working in the kitchen as well.

And I thought that was really special because it wasn't just the football that attracted them back to the club. It was the whole community. So, yeah, I think that's a great point that a football club does become part of the community. Tell us a bit about your career now, because you are, I mean, you can't possibly, in the nicest nicest possible way have envisaged this I don't know 10 years ago when when you were playing presumably I mean this is it's you're

you're right you're everywhere in a good way it must no it must be fantastic yeah no it's great I think when I think about playing football you always think that that is your purpose to be a footballer I was lucky enough to do it from the age of five so for 30 years that was kind of what my purpose was but when I finished playing I kind of delved a little bit deeper in what I really stood for and I really do like to help people so it's great that I can use my platform to work with kind of different campaigns and just make that little bit of a difference because I think if you can go to bed at night and think you know what I helped someone today and it might be something just so little in like the sense of just everyday life but then doing things like this as you see I never thought that I'd have this

kind of position where I could help people on a broader scale so I feel like one of the lucky ones I worked very hard when I was a footballer I think that's because I was never one of the lucky ones. I worked very hard when I was a footballer. I think that's because I was never one of the best players, but I knew the work that I had to put in to reach the top. So I'm hoping that I can still take that work ethic into this time after football and try and make a difference. You mentioned having a platform. Well, not that long ago, no former female footballer would have had a platform, would they?

But now, your household names, it's totally different. Yeah, and I think obviously on the back of the Euros success, you see what a successful campaign like the Euros does to the women's game, the girls' game, football in general in England. But yeah, we strived for that for a long time. I was part of the england team for 16 years there was a whole other generation before me and women's football was even banned like 50 years ago so there were so many people that have fought for women's football so that's why i do

count myself one of the lucky ones because we were the ones that got to step out onto that pitch at wembley and and get that gold medal but we hope that everybody who'd took part in women's football volunteered for girls football just anything that they'd done they'd contributed towards that gold medal so yeah it's definitely been a journey the Lionesses have obviously still flying the flag a final in the World Cup and they're still doing so well. And it's a great time to be a Lioness fan. And believe me, I think I'm the biggest fan going now that I've retired.

No, you do a really good job there. But just take us inside the party after you won the Euros. I think I do remember, I must be honest, Jill, seeing some images of you the following day. And, you know, you clearly had had a really good time. Yeah, no, it was good. I didn't take you into the party. I don't know how I got out of the party.

But, yeah, it was just a great event, really. And it was nice to see our families as well after all that time and be able to have a little drink with them and celebrate. And then, obviously, we had Trafalgar Square where we were greeted by 10,000 fans. So yeah, it was so special. And I know that nothing in my life will ever come close to that win.

But it's one of them things where you see the knock-on effect that it's had. And maybe that was a moment in our life, but it's changed things for the next generation and also kind of the generation before me as well I hope that they can get opportunities because they give a lot of their time to playing for England playing for the clubs when women's football wasn't making any money so I think it's important that we remember everybody because it has taken everybody to get at this point

and it'll still take everybody to progress it even further. How important is it to you that you are also a pundit who comments on the men's game? Yeah very important I think obviously you can't shy away from comments that you get that can women comment on the men's game if they've never played it? But Ian Wright commentates on the women's game and does a fantastic job in that sense. So I think it's very, very important. For some negative comments you get, you also get a lot of positive ones. And I think we have to keep kind of putting ourselves out there.

Yeah, sometimes it's difficult, but I always say for a young girl watching the TV, if she can see you she can dream of that job and for them negative comments you get if you can again change one girl's one young girl's dream to be a commentator a pundit then it makes it all worthwhile and you know what we're kind of thick-skinned uh we've been getting kind of a lot of stick for playing um a man's game since the age of seven eight nine you had to put up with some nasty comments so if I could take them at nine year old I'd certainly take them at 36 okay all right but what is it what is it those men are worried about um I don't know to be honest and I don't think it's all men i must say that i work with some

great guys in in the men's game um and they've always helped me and they've they've always been dead committed to making sure that we have the same platform as them so i'm not too sure i can't answer that i'm kind of not in not in their heads not in their bodies but for me personally i would never take the social media just to be negative about things I think for me it's all about helping people and helping that next generation so I tend not to give it any energy because I think you're then just feeding a negative thing that's just going to get bigger so I think let's concentrate on the people that are backing women's football are backing women's pundits and that they're doing a great job.

So I like to kind of fuel them people more. OK, so I won't ask you about Joey Barton. No, let's not. Let's not waste any more breath. Actually, can we talk about the men's Euros in the summer? Yeah. Already there's this slight sense of it's England's to win. And, you know, I've been watching football for quite a long time and England men have never won anything in my lifetime

but we always seem to be overconfident. Do you feel the same thing building again? You know what, I said about, it's been over a year ago now but I said that I do feel like this is England's tournament. I think I've been a massive England men's fan since I remember the days of Mike Lone scoring that goal against Argentina. And that's why I'm a big fan of the men's game

because without them players, I would never have probably dreamt about playing football. So I think when you look at the team we've got, Declan Rice, Jude Bellingham, Saka, Harry Kane, like the list goes on. I do think we've got the strength and depth where we can go there and do something. Now, winning a tournament is not easy.

I played in 10 international tournaments in my career and only got one gold medal. So it's not easy and a lot of it does come down to what happens on the day. But I do feel like we'll be the best prepared team going into that tournament. Are you going to be involved in the coverage? I'm not too sure yet, actually. Kind of waiting to hear on a few things, but I'd love to be involved in some capacity.

You know what, even if it's just that I'm out there as a fan, we'll just see kind of what comes my way. in some capacity. You know what, even if it's just that I'm out there as a fan, yeah, we'll just see kind of what comes, comes my way. But there's some great pundits like Karen Carney, Eniola Lugo, you've got Rod Keane, Ian Wright,

like it's a, it's a tough industry. And I do believe that these pundits do a great job. So yeah, if I can be involved in any way, shape or form, I'll be there with me England top on. The former Lioness,

Jill Scott, she's one of those really popular players that everybody loves because she's insightful, but she's also funny, doesn't take herself all that seriously. And do you remember when she came on? She didn't start that game in the Euros, the women's Euros, but she came on, I think, towards the end and she was just effing and jeffering everywhere there was sort of magnificence about that I've never forgotten I also must correct that interview it's like correction corner uh because I implied that I wasn't alive in 1966 when England men did actually win something but you were how old I was two and apparently I kept running in front of the screen and disrupting the adults' entertainment. Actually, I'd only just learnt to walk because I was an exceptionally slow walker due to my bulk.

That's true. So there we are. Can I just finish with Nella and Todd Morton in West Yorkshire? Because it's so funny, we don't need to say anything after this. Some 30 years ago, my ex-husband and I were persuaded to attend a taster session as an introduction to the Feldenkrais method, run by a very serious woman at a local community centre. I'm sorry if I've pronounced that wrong.

We were guided through various undemanding postures and instructed to imagine that we were performing more demanding stretches and muscle contractions, the theory being that our body would then behave as if we had really performed them and the result will show in our ability to better mobilize ourselves both of us nearly fell asleep it was so tedious when invited to queue up at the end to pay in advance for a very expensive block booking of further sessions my husband got to the front of the queue to ask whether we could imagine that we had written the check to pay for the course and she could just imagine the money going into her account

i like the sound of him i'm sorry that marriage ended well yes okay that's not it's not the bit that's shut out i'm sorry that's quite telling. Go on. Finish the email. This raised not a smile and we managed to conceal our laughter until we escaped outside never to return. As far as I know, Feldenkrais or whatever it is, is still a thing.

So presumably many folks still imagine it's doing them good. Emphasis on imagine. And Nella just ends by saying, I'm a Yorkshire woman, so I don't take any shit. And she's enjoying Times Radio and particularly enjoys Matt and John as well as our show. It's an absolutely lovely story, Nella.

It's really well told. And, you know, maybe if your ex-husband's nice, put it down for change. I just suddenly thought, well, it's quite funny. I give the bloke some credit. I thought that was good.

No, it's just interesting. It's like playing hooky duck. That's not the duck I would have lifted. Right. It's Nella, isn't it? It is, yeah. And she says that she's from Yorkshire and doesn't take any shit.

But which part of the country does take shit? Mainly Hampshire. Do you? Hampshire. They're just too... Why are people in Hampshire More inclined to take shit Because everyone's very polite

So there's just a lot of I'm so sorry but thank you I'm so sorry but thank you I'm so sorry Had Jane Austen come from Yorkshire Pride and Prejudice Would have been very dealable He looks like a right old

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