Off Air... with Jane and Fi - LIVE AT CROSSED WIRES FESTIVAL: Part Two

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

Jane and Fi are away all this week so we're bringing you a special two-part live episode from their show at The Crucible Theatre in Sheffield. In this half, they answer audience questions and discuss retirement, worst interviewees and hand out some highly-coveted tote bags. Jane will be back on Monday with a special guest presenter (normal service resumes on Tuesday)... Our next book club pick has been announced! 'Missing, Presumed' is by Susie Steiner. If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] Follow us on Instagram! @janeandfiPodcast Producer: Eve SalusburyExecutive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Thank you. Okay. I need my drink as well. We've got drinks now, so anything could happen. Right. I hope everybody enjoyed Richard as much as we did. He was a good guest. Yes.

So we could talk to Richard for hours because there's so much hinterland and he's clever about lots of things. So we'll get him back on. We were trying to convince him to just come and work at Times Radio, which I think would be a welcome addition. So maybe that'll happen too. Right. Format for this part of the show is very simple. All of your lovely questions, courtesy of Slido. We've got, is it nine tote bags left to hand out? Nine. Okay, so we'll do those as we go along.

We thought we might try and work out who's come the furthest. So anyone just shout out, and don't make it up. Bolton? Down base. New Zealand. No, New Zealand. New Zealand. Right.

Come on. Come on, new zealand straight in there um but honestly um bolton's quite an effort as well honestly we absolutely acknowledge that right just get to a question yes here's a question from anonymous who then gives her name but i won't read that out my husband and I thought about retirement for 20 years before recently retiring you both talk about retirement quite flippantly what is your vision of retirement oh gosh

well you go first because you're much much closer to it it's very true although as everyone who has haunted the government website will know, when you put in all your details, your national insurance number, you will get the full state pension on June the 23rd, 2030-something or other.

So I'll be 60 in a couple of weeks, and so I'll be 67 before I get my state pension. And that goes, I suspect, for quite a lot of weeks and so I'll be 67 before I get my state pension and and that goes I suspect for quite a lot of people in the audience but I think we all know it's just going to move further and further away so realistically some of you here will be 70 when you get your state pension and even more realistically and depressingly some of you here will never get any form of state pension welcome to Britain I always say this but it's one of the least worst places in the world Wel, fel arfer, mae'n un o'r lleoedd anaf yn y byd i fyw. Ac mae'n ddigon dda i hynny ddysgu.

Mae gennym lawer i'w ddiolch. Felly, mae fy nheud o ddyfodol yn ystod y ddwy flynedd a byddaf yn cael rôl lle byddaf yn gallu gyrru'r... Mae fy mam wedi gwneud gwaith ar gyrffau am lawer o flynedd, ac rwy'n credu y byddaf yn... Nid y gyrff, oherwydd bod gyrru'n rhywbeth fel y Rhefrend, nid yw un o fy mhrofiadau arferol. Ond mae gen i aros cyffredinol. Ac fe wnes i sylweddoli bod Miss Glover

yn taro tiget parcio arall o'i llawr. Ond gallwn fod yn ffrindiau'r driver. Felly byddaf yn gwneud bwydau ar y gyrff, yn helpu'r driver, a chael y bwyd i mewn. A beth arall fyddaf yn ei wneud? Byddaf yn fwy o leolwyr, helping the driver and giving, you know, taking the food in. And what else will I do? I'll just be an absolute neighbourhood Nelly up and down my street.

I'll be starting petitions. I'll be winding up local councillors. I'll be, yeah, just that more or less will take up. And then the rest of the time I'll just sit and read. That sounds good. So actually, you know, not much different. Not to look forward to. So I've got my campaign to...

I want to get rid of school uniform, particularly for girls, because I think it's sexualised and horrible and yucky. So in all seriousness, I'd really like to have a go at doing that. And high-vis as well, which is just really weird not to have that on school uniforms, all those lovely little people crossing roads in the dark, you know, in December and stuff. That just seems madness. So I'd like to do something worthwhile like that. uniformau ysgol, ychydig o bobl hyfryd yn mynd dros y llaw, yn y dyfodol, yn Ddisembro, ac mae hynny'n ymddangos yn fadd. Felly,

hoffwn wneud rhywbeth o'r gwaith fel hynny, ond yn ystod hynny, roeddwn i'n meddwl efallai ei fod yn, dwi ddim yn gwybod, yn ystod y tos-oedd rhwng llawer o ddwylet ar internet neu fynd ar OnlyFans. Felly, byddaf yn defnyddio'r dwylet rhywbeth. Dwi ddim yn gwybod, dwi ddim yn meddwl amdano, yn debyg, fel amser, wrth i ni siarad amdano. Dydw i ddim yn credu amdano. Dwi ddim yn meddwl amdano. somehow. I don't know really. I don't think about it probably as often as we talk about it. You don't have to think about it. I don't think I thought about it. And also I genuinely can't think about it yet because my

kids are 16 and 18 and as any of you with kids older than that know, the very expensive years are still to come, aren't they? And you think, how can that possibly be? But, you know, it's quite a way off for me. But, you know, it's quite a way off for me. Okay, another

anonymous, it's a comment, shoe envy for both of you. It's true, but unfortunately I certainly can't walk in these shoes and as soon as I leave the stage, they will be removed. So they're very much a prop, but yes, they're terribly,

are they sexy numbers? Not really, so they're an eBay purchase. yn ddewis, ond ie, mae'r ffee yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn ddewis yn dd be left on her own and the answer obviously is no so there'll be all kinds of wet havoc wreaked in the house by the time I get back at 20 past midnight tonight but it's very lovely to me it genuinely is very lovely that my pets are so known to other people it's really weird I'm a very proud pet parent well what's so peculiar about the office at times radio is that fee has the beautiful sketch of Barbara that was gifted to us by a very kind listener. Patricia, I think her name is, and she did one of my Dora

and one of Babs, and I took Dora home, but Barbara continues to brood over us all in the office, looking quite majestic in this beautiful portrait. We all know her to be Britain's most incontinent cat. There's a real sort of dignity about this portrait. I do find it quite Mae'n ddiddorol. Rydyn ni i gyd yn gwybod ei fod yn gwrthdaro'r cwtnestr mwyaf yn Brydain. Mae'r ddigniti yn ymwneud â'r ddiddorol.

Rwy'n credu ei fod yn helpu ein cyfarfodydd y bore. Mae Lucy yn dweud, sut ydych chi'n teimlo pan fyddwch yn gofyn cwestiynau i'r cyfarfod y byddwch yn eu gwybod yn eu gwneud yn anghyfforddus? Yn ymwneud â'r cyfarfodydd gyda'r edytaeth newydd o'r magasin wedi'i lawnu. the interview with the new editor of the relaunched Loaded magazine, which he did... Is it yesterday that it went out? Well, I think it must have done. Yes, a bit worked. Well, I mean, let's both answer this. I found that to be a very uncomfortable interview because I just couldn't get Danny Levy to talk in the middle ofmant am Loaded.

Ac weithiau mae hynny'n hynod o'ch ffrwythu, oherwydd, fel y cyflwyniadwr, rydych chi'n diweddaraf... Rwy'n meddwl, fel y dywedais yn un o fy ngwestiynau hir iawn, ac yn ddibynnu ar hynny, rydych chi'n diweddaraf yn sôn yn ddwylo, oherwydd rydych chi'n ysgrifennu'r un cwestiwn i gyd. Ond doeddwn i ddim yn gallu cael hi siarad ychydig mwy am... pam bod rhai rai o'r gwyliau gwleidyddol yn ddwylo. but I couldn't get her to just talk a bit more about, you know, why some parts of the male gaze are just bloody horrible.

I mean, you know, do we want another magazine that is really only framing women through sex and bosoms? And it was just a bit tiresome. But in terms of how it leaves you feeling, you know, I did feel bad. I came out of the booth. Eve was recording it with me, and we were both kind of like, ooh. I mean, it does feel a bit like you're kind of punching somebody down, which is not great.

Do you feel that? I think it's incredibly difficult. She, I'm sure, is a perfectly reasonable woman with many strengths, but she happens to have taken a job that is, frankly, in the 21st century, literally absurd. But then we had agreed to interview her. And did that relaunch of Loaded get some attention? Yes, it did.

Did we give it some attention? Yes, we did. Are we talking about it now? Unfortunately, we are. I don't know how many of you are going to go home and immediately search, Launcher, I really want to see Loaded. I think it's probably not many of you. Mae'n ddifficiol. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano.

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Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n siarad amdano. Rydyn ni'n ei disgwyl. Mae'n rhaid i ni... mae'n rhaid i ni... mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae'n rhaid i ni... Mae' on the other hand Mr Blank some people might say all of those things that slightly buy you a bit of time but also protect you and guide you to a kind of balance that the BBC quite legitimately clings to and indeed during the election coverage the Times newspaper can take a line and might well say as the election approaches vote whoever but Times Radio is governed by Ofcom, so we have to be as balanced, actually, as the BBC was. That's true, isn't it? It is true, yeah. But only in election times, and then we...

Yeah, we're free to roam. So, yes, I could endorse reform. But probably, realistically, I won't. Never would, and won't be doing it over the next five weeks. But on the other hand... But on the other hand, yes, some people might say, there's nothing wrong with them, and give them a chance. No, let's not go there.

So I don't know whether that answers your question, but it is often difficult to interview people you frankly despise or whose views you absolutely loathe. And sometimes you do. I have had questions, I've asked myself, why are we allowing this person to talk about their abhorrent opinions? But sometimes they need to be given air to be exposed as utterly ridiculous. Yeah, they can do the job almost without us.

Yes, quite, yeah. Can we just try and award another tote bag? Is there anybody here who is shorter than us? So, you've got... Are you sure? Five foot, that's good. Okay, we might need a couple. Five for one.

Well, technically that's shorter than me. Okay, we're going to be getting rid of... Brilliant lady up there. Yes, we've absolutely got you. Eve, you've got to... Eve is our athletic assistant. We're going all the way up to lady up there. Yes, we've absolutely got you. Eve, you've got to... Eve is our athletic assistant. We're going all the way up to the balcony there. Will you be able to carry the bag?

It's quite heavy. Fantastic, fantastic. It's a really delicious audience, where we can indulge in the fact that we are so short. It's not about who's the biggest, who's the tallest, who's the strongest. It's quite the opposite. It's a good one, Fi.

Lucy asks, should her friend, her husband, and their two teenagers move to a tiny island off Cairns, Australia? Well, I'll tell you what my answer to that is. What would you want? How old are the kids? It doesn't specify teenagers. Teenagers? 11 and 13.

Sorry? 11 and 13. Sorry? 11 and 13. Are you absolutely out of your tiny mind? No, it's not you. It's your friend. Okay. Of course not. Right.

In all seriousness, no. I mean, in a light-hearted way, no. It sounds appealing, but what would you do on a Wednesday? OK, well, that's not the answer I was expecting. What do you reckon, Jane? Just a big, fat... No. No, obviously not.

Kay asks, this might get us into trouble, do you get the giggles when you're recording those very cheesy ads? I don't know what you mean. Hang on a sec. Jane, do you know what you mean? No, Fee, I don't. But I could be really helped by the following product. Yeah. No fee, I don't, but I could be really helped by the following product. I've always found, Jane, when I use the following product,

that my life is greatly enhanced too. No, we're absolutely fine with it. Well, look, we can't be too snooty, and we're not, in fairness. No, because Times has given us a huge opportunity after leaving the BBC, Mae'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n rhywbeth sy'n ond ni fyddwn ni ddim yn adroddi, oherwydd ni ddim yn hoffi mynd lle o gwmpas ymgyrch ac ni ddim yn hoffi mynd lle o gwmpas ymgyrch. Felly, rydyn ni wedi rhoi ein llwyth yn lawr ar y pethau hynny ac rwy'n credu mai dyna ein... Rydyn ni'n dal i gael cyfansoddiadau. Ychydig o blyset fflex. Rwy'n mynd i ddweud, mae'r canteen yn y Times yn ffabwyl.

Felly, mae'n rhywbeth o'r byd, mae'n rhywbeth o'r byd. at the Times is just fabulous. It is. So, you know, it's a swings and roundabouts kind of a world. We did have another question about how do we actually genuinely, do we miss the BBC? And so it is just worth acknowledging that we had many, many laughs over the decades. Both of us started with BBC local radio

and then wound up as part of the mothership that is Radio 4. And it was not without its joys, was it? In fact, we had some fabulous, fabulous times. I'll keep on still going. Met some wonderful people and husbands and things. And divorced them.

Divorced them, yes. And left. And left them. And divorced them, yes. And left. And left BBC. But I still, actually, it applies to Fee as well, we both made some of the best friends of our life. Yeah, that's very true. And that's the most important thing at the end of the day. It is.

And also, we wouldn't be churlish about it, but some of the programmes that we made were just fantastic. Although some of the programmes I made were terrible. No, darling, they weren't. But the world of broadcasting and actually our understanding of politics and news would be so much poorer if the BBC didn't exist.

So I don't want to be one of those people who tries to kind of knock the BBC into the ground. Sometimes I think it gets things wrong. I sometimes think it doesn't treat people very nicely. And it's a bit weird, but actually it would be terrible if it didn't exist. I agree.

Anonymous says, you mentioned Trump and the US elections, but the choices aren't that much better here. I don't know. I do think they are a bit better here. What do you think needs to happen to initiate real and long-lasting change? Rwy'n credu eu bod nhw'n well yma. Beth sydd angen ei wneud i gyflwyno newid go iawn a ddiweddar? Mae hynny'n topic mawr. Fe wnaethon ni gyflwyno ymlaen yn ystod y diwrnod,

un o'r gweithwyr ddemocraidd yng Nghymru. Ie. Ac fe wnaethon ni i gyd feddwl, ar ôl clywed y gwirioneddol ddynus yw'r gweithwyr yng Nghymru And it made us both think, after hearing this very brave woman talk about various activists in Hong Kong have been given these really hefty prison sentences. And this is a woman who was still prepared to speak out, still prepared to come on British radio and talk about everything. And it did make us both realise that for all our politicians' faults, and they are many and varied, at least on July the 4th, we can go up to a point, make ourselves heard, ac yn gwahanol, ar y llwyth o hyd yn oed ar 4 Ddyfru, gallwn ni fynd i'r pwynt i wneud ein hunain

cerdded a pha fyddwn ni'n cael ein hwyl neu ddim, pwy bynnag y byddwn ni'n gweithio amdano, bydd yn ystyried ein bod yn ein hyn, a bydd yn cael ei gynnal ar ein hunain. Ac rwy'n meddwl, rwy'n sicr, mae gen i ddwy gylch, a byddwn ni'n mynd i fwyto gyda'n gilydd. A phob un sy'n cymryd hynny'n hynod o'r ffyn, byddaf yn dweud, heb fod yn mor pwm, mae'n sl sy'n cymryd hynny'n dda, byddwn i'n dweud, heb fod yn rhywbeth o'n bwysig, mae'n swnio'n ddifrifol i'r BBC, ddim, ddim, ddim, ddim yn cymryd hynny'n dda. Oherwydd mae'n beth anhygoel. Gan ddweud hynny, rwy'n credu, mewn y ffordd mwyaf, bod Mesur, Sunak, Starmer a Davy...

Dwi'n gwybod bod Ed Davy's been putting everything into this week with his legs akimbo on a bike on the English-Welsh border, fell off a paddleboard, very, very snug wetsuit yesterday. He's in a wetsuit a lot. What lies ahead for the weekend? I absolutely dread to know.

We're only on week one as well. I do worry, but at least he's out there. I mean, no one knows anything about the party's policies, but who cares? Let's not worry about that. And Sunak and Starmer, I tried to listen to a speech by Keir Starmer. It was just boring. I'm sorry, it's boring. And Sunak, I can't get over his trousers. It's becoming quite an obsession, not just of mine.

I noticed them ages ago. I was a bit of an early adopter there. He's an absolute ankle skimmer. What's the matter with the man? I think his tailoring is... Tailoring? No, I think it's... I think it's actually one of his strengths. That's the worry.

So just one tiny serious point. I think we... I've been very serious. Yes, of course you have, darling. Of course you have. I think we still have a really, really weird attitude to tax in this country. So, you know,

if you think of the paucity of public services at the moment and, you know, the fact that so many areas, especially social care, are completely overstretched and councils going bankrupt and we're all feeling it, it seems absolutely mad to go into an election where people are still yn hollol amstodol ac mae'r Cyngor yn mynd i'w ffwrdd a'r rydyn ni i gyd yn ei teimlo. Mae'n ymddangos yn fad iawn mynd i'r Elydiad lle mae pobl yn parhau i ddod â chyfrifoldebau. Nid ydym yn ddiddorol.

Nid ydych chi'n gallu cael y ddau beth. Nid ydych chi'n gallu gwneud gwasanaethau cyhoeddus yn well os ydych chi'n cyfrifoldebau. Mae'n ymddangos yn fwysig. A phobl sydd wedi bod yn fwy sylweddol am can't make public services better if you cut taxes. It just seems to be bizarre. And countries which have really just kind of been a bit more grown up about how you fund public services and celebrated people who pay tax have just done better. So that would be my big change. I don't want to have something... Are you up to date with all your taxes, just in case people research this? I'm hugely up to date.

But you and I often say, so we are so terrified of getting it wrong. You and I have probably overpaid our tax. We're phoning HMRC, aren't we? Quite a lot. So, you know, please make sure that I'm paying the right thing. You know, the idea that we're some kind of narcissistic tax donchers is just ridiculous. Not that anybody's suggesting that we are.

No, I don't think they were. Now you've started something. But we should say that Times Radio is going to launch on Monday an election bus and I am very fortunate, I am going in the election bus to Redcar a week

on Monday. But do you know what, it's more than a bus. It's like a really really well kitted a bus. It's like a really, really well-kitted-out RV. It's like Meet the Fuckers. It is, isn't it? Well, you're not bloody coming, are you? I'm going. I can't come. So she can talk up

the bus, but she's not actually getting on it. I can't leave London. You can't leave London? My electronic tag. Well, you managed to get to Sheffield. I can't leave London. You can't leave London? You know, my electronic tag. Well, you managed to get to Sheffield. It's funny that you got to Sheffield, but you can't get to Redcar. Anyway, if you are in the Redcar region, a week on, actually, Tuesday.

Anyway, nobody needs to know about this now. What podcast do you listen to yourselves? This is Leah. Now, this is an interesting one because... Go on, what would you say? I listen to the? This is Leah. Now, this is an interesting one because... Go on. What would you say? I listen to the rest of the entertainment, and I really, really like it.

So for those of you who haven't come across it yet, it's Marina Hyde and Richard Osman just talking about the whole world of entertainment. And I just really love some of their unravelling of the kind of secrets of the trade I think it's really clever and Marina Hyde I think is probably one of our

best writers, they'll have to cut this bit out she works for Guardian I'll just tell you anyway some of her columns are so blisteringly good and I was worried when she started the podcast that maybe that wouldn't be her forte as well, but it is.

She's terrific. Richard Osman says listen a bit too much. He starts the sentence with listen and I just always wonder, I am! I'm here. Yeah. Funnily enough, I'm irritated. I like Marina and you're right, she's brilliant.

Richard dropping his Gs annoys me, and I wish it didn't, but there we are. Just those BBC standards that linger. OK. Or linger. OK, hang on, there's an important one here. Oh, Sarah. Oh, sorry, I haven't said what I listen to.

I listen to Jackie Smith and Ian Dale with their politics. I like them, for the many. They make listen to. I listen to Jackie Smith and Ian Dale with their politics. I like them for the many. They make me laugh. They're incredibly smarty. I mean, Jackie was the Home Secretary. Oh, dear. It makes you wonder. Anyway, but she's also a very erudite woman

who does know her political onions. That's worth listening to. And other than that, I've discovered the wonderful world of audio books actually and i'm getting massive if you get a good narrator of an audio book i'm listening at the moment to it's a fantastic book called my father's house by joseph o'connor has anybody read that or listen to that shenaid o'connor's brother he's an absolute genius irish writer and this is a fabulous book about um rome world war War II and it's just got a

series of fantastic narrators so that's highly recommended By the way we've got seven more tote bags to give out Oh yes sorry okay Which guest would you really like to interview for the show? Do you know what I would really like to interview Melania Trump I think her story...

And I just really wish she wasn't silent. I don't... You know, I think it's... Well, we don't know that she isn't on the verge of a massive book deal as soon as... Or a Netflix series. Yeah, I wouldn't rule out hearing from Melania in the not-too-distant future. And I'd certainly be very intrigued.

You're right, I can't beat that. Snogmaria Void, Trump, Farage, o, Dduw, Johnson. Rwy'n credu bod hynny'n bosibl, rwy'n wirioneddol yn sori. I just think that's impossible. I'm really sorry. I was always, and I remain, utterly immune to the charms supposed of Mr Johnson. I could never understand why we were meant to find this faux-bumbling toff in any way alluring. I've just never, ever understood that.

I think it's the Scouse thing. I think you have quite a good thing. I think you have a quite a good pratometer And you can just kind of But also he was a nice doctor Rob, but he was very unpleasant don't even go there Yeah, I don't think he has been to Liverpool instantly not in living memory anyway Well, he was sent up to apologize isn't he by michael howard was he yeah i don't know how many people turned out to see that yes i was washing my hair uh anna says have you ever thought oh god i've run out of words

and when well um jane never has no actually that's not true I think you're the less tongue tied of the two of us I mean in fairness I'm not that tongue tied but during the pandemic we were it was a bizarre episode in all our lives let's face it and I still think that we're not entirely over it but we don't really talk about it anymore and it's

it's really odd that we don't talk about something so hideous and so seismic that affected so many people so badly but during that time Mae'n wir iawn nad ydym yn siarad am bethau mor hiddus ac yn seismig... ..a'n effeithio'n llawer o bobl yn anodd. Yn ystod hynny, fe a fi... Byddwn ni'n cael hyn yn ein lwcher, yn ystod hynny. Roedden ni'n chwarae'r Gwlad y Ffestiwl Gwlad. Roedd pobl yn ddysgu, yn ddysgu.

Roeddem yn gwneud dau nighyfrwyddo ar y Gwlad y Ffestiwl Gwlad. Roedd yn ystod y cyfnod, felly mae'n rhaid i ni wneud hynny. Mae 20 o bobl yno bob nighyfrwyddo. festival hall i mean it was socially distanced i need to make so we actually need 20 people there both nights but we can we can still say that we did it and i was a nervous wreck and you kind of sailed on stage like bloody i don't know imelda stormton judy dench i mean it was like it was your natural habitat well the weird thing is and when one of the lovely uh tech operators asked Wel, y peth anodd yw pan roedd un o'r rheolwyr tech yn gofyn hyn, neu oedd y man da o Tom o Look North, roedden ni'n siarad am a yw hyn yn fwy o ddiddorol i'w wneud na'r sioe raddio. Ac dwi ddim yn hoffi gwneud y sioe hon oherwydd rwy'n hoffi gweld chi i gyd. Ac mae yna amser yn y stiwdio raddio, rwy' yn cwrdd â fy hun a dwi'n meddwl, beth ydw i'n ei wneud?

Oherwydd mae'n ffasgol iawn. Rwy'n gwybod, rydych chi'n eistedd yno ac mae'n iawn pan fyddwch chi'n cyfweliadu rhywun, ond y pethau rhwng y pethau, lle mae'n rhaid i chi siarad i'r hanner awr neu mae gennych chi munud a hanner cyn i'r llyfr ddod i mewn. Rwy'n credu, mae'n rhywbeth o bwysig, i ddod yno a dweud, blblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblbl I just sit there and just kind of go... And so sometimes when I'm doing that, I just think, what would happen if I just stopped? What?

Just stop talking? Yeah. Well, that'd be great, because I could talk. No, that's fine. Grace, I hope... Grace, thank you for this. Grace says, as a 20-year-old in the audience with my mum, do you know how important you are for creating an empowering space for women of all ages? Oh, Grace, well, that's lovely. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda.

Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda.

Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda.

Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. Mae'n dda. eking out the very last days of university, and it would have been nice, I can't lie, if she'd taken the opportunity to join us. Where is she tonight? She's still at university. I mean, she's done...

Well, she sent me a WhatsApp at half-time, as we say in the theatre, to say, hey, can I get a delivery? I'm not well after... The plain fact is that if you're not well, you don't want a delivery. So that's just rubbish, isn't it? ddim yn dda ar ôl... Y ffaith gwbl yw, os nad ydych chi'n dda, nid ydych chi eisiau cyflawni. Felly dyna ddim yn dda iawn, ydy'n dda? Mae hi wedi cwmio drosodd, mae'n rhaid i mi fod yn rhyw fath o ffwrdd. Felly, Grace, rwy'n credu bod hynny'n ddiddorol, a dydw i ddim yn meddwl

ei fod yn rhywbeth rydyn ni... nid ydym ni wedi meddwl ein bod yn ei wneud, wnaethon ni? Criu... Criwtio. ...a chyflawni ystafell i ddynion o bob oed. We never thought we were doing it, did we? Creating an empowering space for women of all ages was what I meant. No, but sometimes I think just being in work is, you know, the empowerment we need. In all seriousness, when we were starting out as young BBC fresh-faced recruits, there just weren't very many women to look up to above,

and it was a very different broadcasting landscape. And you did just hear men talking to men about things that men had chosen to believe were important to men. And that's what radio was. And there was this absurd myth that women didn't like hearing other women on the radio, which is just a load of old bollocks made up by people with bollocks. I'm sorry, because it doesn't bear any scrutiny at all. Mae'n llwyr o bobl sy'n gwneud bywydau o'r bobl sy'n gwneud bywydau. Mae'n ddrwgach, oherwydd nid yw'n gwerthu unrhyw sgwyddiad.

Felly, gan fod ar y radio, os... Nid yw modd arall ddweud hynny heb sôn yn ffwrdd. Os yw clywed pobl eraill siarad am bethau sy'n canolbwyntio i bobl, mae'n creu lle i genhedlaethau ifanc teimlo'n fwy hyderus i gael y sgwyddiadau hynny i gael eu gwaith, i fynd i ffwrdd ag i gyd yn teimlo'n creu lle i ddyfyniadau ifanc i teimlo'n fwy hyderus, i gael y sgwrsiau hynny, i gael eu llwyddo, i ffwrdd â phobl sy'n teimlo'n hapus. Byddai'n wych. Dwi ddim yn cofio unrhyw un oed yn cael sgwrs arall o ran cyfnodion,

o ran cyrffiau, o ran cyrffiau. Nid oedd yn ymwneud â hynny. Rwy'n dweud wrthych chi, dim ond un peth bach sy'n fy anhygoel. Mae'n bwynt mor seriol, ac rwy'n ddrwg, a byddwn yn cael cwestiiwn sgrinol yn ôl. Mae'n dda. Mae llawer o ffrwyddoedd yn digwydd yn y byd yn y pryd.

Mae pethau'n anhygoel yn digwydd. Un o'r cwtastroffiau pwysig o ffrwd yw pan mae aswlt ar ddynion yn cael ei ddefnyddio fel wyfn. Dydw i ddim yn ei ddweud yn ddwylo. Ond ni ddim yn siarad am hynny o hyd. on women is used as a weapon, and I won't take it any darker than that. But we don't talk about that at all. We're very happy to talk about the number of people who've been killed in fighting, and whether that's in Ukraine

or whether that's in the conflict in Gaza and Israel. But we stop short of saying, and then X thousand number of women would also have been assaulted. And I think we just need to put it in there because it's relevant and it's necessary. And it's a horrible thing to acknowledge, so I'm sorry...yn ymgymryd â'r cyfrif. Rwy'n credu bod angen i ni roi'r peth i mewn yno. Mae'n bwysig ac yn angenol. Mae'n beth anodd i'w gydnabod.

Rwy'n sori, ond rwy'n credu bod angen i ni fod yn fwy cymryd y pethau fel hyn. Iawn, dyna ddewis. Mae'r pwynt o Grace yw ein bod yn ymddygiadu. Dydw i ddim yn credu y byddai'r ddau ohonoch yn ymddangos... ..ac yn gwneud hynny'n ddylai. Ond os byddwn ni'n ei ddiddordeb, gan fod yn ymwneud â'r cyfrifiad.....a'r ddiddordeb a'r ddiddordeb. doing it deliberately, but if, as Fee says, just by existing and carrying on yabbering and actually enjoying it. I mean, we both love work and coming to work. It's one of the greatest

privileges on earth if you wake up in the morning and think, not, oh God, I've got to go to work, but oh good, I'm going to work. I mean, how brilliant is that, frankly? And as Fee is keen to emphasise, I'm 190 years old. And still. Still got it. She's still got it. Rwy'n arbennig, rwy'n 190 mlynedd yn ôl. A hyd yn oed... Mae hi'n cael ei gael.

Mae hi'n cael ei gael. Ond, mae'n ddynion, mae'n ddynion. Mae pobl yn ei ddynu oherwydd maen nhw'n dewis i beidio â'i ddeall, neu'n meddwl yn ddelyr y maen nhw'n ei wybod amdano pan nad ydyn nhw. Ac rwy'n bob amser yn ymddiriedol o'r peth. Sut oedd y ffotograff sy'n canolbwyntio Adrian Charles? always be a passionate supporter of it. How much is a signed photo of Adrian Childs actually worth? I have probably still got a few in the cellar. I should have brought some tonight. Give Grace a tote bag.

Very good. Round of applause for Grace. Excellent, excellent. Have we got five left? Five left? Four left? Five? No, don't call us guys. You know that annoys me. I've got one here.

Can I say that? I've got five. Our colleagues are wonderful, but I do have a real thing about guys. Because why has that been adopted as the universal collective term for everyone? No, I'm... Yeah, well, I can't stand it. Anonymous says, I'm with my mum who's travelled from rural South Africa. Please,

can she have a tote bag to show her fellow South Africans when she gets home? Where are you? Where are you? Over there. Yes, you can have one. Yes, you can. Where are you? Where are you? Over there. Yes, you can have one. Yes, you can. Yes. Who has really, really, really dragged a kind and loving partner or friend to the evening tonight?

Yes. Have you? You've been dragged. Has it been okay or not really? Oh. Wow. Tote bag over there. Who else has been really dragged here tonight

and not really enjoyed it? Man on the front there. Right, man on the front there. He looks so fed up. So fed up. Don't worry. I'm so sorry. It's the Champions League final tomorrow, isn't it?

And you're in the front row. I mean, you couldn't even get your phone out and just watch some YouTube instead. Well, I mean, you must be in a very nice relationship. I wish you the very best of luck. And I'm so sorry. Right, we've got one left. Two left.

I've got one as well. And Jane's one. Okay, quickly, because we've got some good ones. What advice would you give for dealing with difficult or misogynist people stroke men? Oh, God. I mean, this is a really difficult one, not least because it's an omnipresent issue.

It doesn't show any signs of disappearing from our lives. It's, I don't know my my instinct is that things have got worse and not better and i think any any of us here who've got young children young adults in our lives actually whether they're male or female actually i think this applies right across the board you are you are worried about them you're worried about them when they go out uh you don't really go to sleep until they're back uh at the same time you'd be worried if they weren't going Mae'n bwysig iddynt ddod allan. Dydyn nhw ddim yn mynd i'w gofio hyd at eu bod yn ôl. Yn yr un pryd, byddwch yn bwysig os nad ydyn nhw'n mynd allan. Oherwydd byddwch yn meddwl, o, mae'n ddim yn mynd allan. Nid yw'n mynd allan. Beth yw'r peth?

Rwy'n credu bod hyn yn amser anodd. Nid yw'n ateb i'r cwestiwn. Byddai misogyniaeth wedi cael ei gosod ac wedi'i gyflawni amser. Ond nid oedd. Yn rhan oherwydd bod gan bobl, a phobl, yn girls, are doing rather better than they used to. And I think, you know, men... White men used to get all the best jobs in Britain because nobody else was really able to apply for them

or ever considered for those roles. It was as simple as that. And now we can all have a crack of the whip if we're fortunate. Yeah, but as you said 20 minutes ago... Thank you for remembering. ..asking for our attention in the election are Sakhir Starmer, Rishi Sunak and Ed Davey. So, you know, maybe...

I'll use a little bit of French here. Plus, ça change. I think it's a really hard one to tackle. And I know that some of you will have heard us discuss this on the podcast before. Allow ourselves a small BBC repeat. I think sometimes that misogyny just has to be tackled better by men. I think men have a, actually stand a much better chance of nudging the bloke next to them who's being misogynistic

and asking them to stop than we do. Because we seem to be as far away from, you know, that nasty type of man as we ever were and we're just regarded as shrill and difficult and conforming to all of those tropes and memes of terrible, terrible women if we try and call it out. So I'd just ask nice men to try and join in, really, and because it's a benefit to them.

You know, it will all work better if the misogyny goes and you're absolutely right I'm as scared actually for my two kids of the world that they are about to enter more scared than I think I was to enter it myself and some of that's just you know I can't remember my own teenage years

you know well enough can't remember my own teenage years, you know, well enough to consider them properly now. But I do think the stuff that's available to them is just wrong, really, really darkly wrong on lots of levels. So, nice men. Maybe we could put it all on you, sir. No, but you just do stand a better chance of saying, shut up, that's a horrible thing to say.

Any chance of a shut up that's a horrible thing to say so any chance of a tote says christine we've traveled we've traveled over three hours to get here three hours from wales christine is that right i mean that is a long way and the roads the roads aren't great are they i'm gonna take pity on you And I think you can have a tote bag. So congratulations. Thank you. Jennifer, this is a good one for you. Of all the educators you've been in the company of, both as an adult and child, whose memory will stay with you the longest and why? Educators.

Educators. Let's broaden it out to almost anybody you've ever had the privilege to spend time with. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau.

Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. Dydw i'n meddwl bod y cymorth yn ymwneud â phrofiadau. It's weird. Nobody springs to mind. Obviously, Jane, it's you. No, seriously. Who is the person whose company you've been... Or who you've interviewed, you've been in the same room as, and they've just blown you away?

Oh, God, that's so difficult. I'm just going to have to have a bit of a think about that. Sorry. I would say I once had probably six minutes in the company of Desmond Tutu in a radio studio when I was working for Five Live and he just burst. He was just a burst of radiance and sunshine and positivity

and I just thought, you're just something superhuman. He had magnetic powers and I've never forgotten that. I've also been in theafell fel Hillary Clinton. Yn fawr, ar gyfer cyfnod mwyaf, roedd hi'n gadael fwy o ddiffyg. Ond roedd hi'n gwneud gwrtaith gwaed. Roedd hi'n gwneud gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol. Dyma fwyaf o'r tip i unrhyw un, yn enwedig pobl ifanc. Roedd hi'n gwneud gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol gwirioneddol.

Roedd hi'n mynd i mewn i'r ystafell gwaed, oherwydd bod hi wedi cael ei ddod i lawr yn y hotel. She entered the room, obviously, as the most famous person any of us had ever met. And she walked in the room in a surgical boot, because she'd fallen down the stairs at a hotel. And she took in everyone in the room. She walked in, she went like this, and she said, Hi, hello, hope you're all well. I'm Hillary Clinton. And of course, we know, bloody hell, we know you. But just for a nanosecond, she focused on every single person in that room,

and we all felt the golden glow of something more than celebrity. So that's my little tip for getting on in the world. OK. Do you want to just take that, maybe use it yourself? Yes. I'll start doing it on Monday. You'll notice a different me. I won't be in a boot, hopefully. There was some poor person who had got

caught in your gaze wasn't there last week in the street it's still traumatised they were really disappointed so you may want to employ Hillary's technique a little sooner I'd forgotten about that I'd just like to really

really big up so many people who entered the listening project on exactly that tip. Because they are what was appallingly referred to at Radio 4 as real people, as opposed to what. But there were so many conversations from them that have stayed with me forever, like really properly forever. Ond roedd yna ddwy sgyrsiau o'r rhain sydd wedi parhau gyda fi am byth, yn fawr iawn. Roedd yna sgyrsiau hyfryd rhwng ysbrydoliad, Brian a Shirley, ac roeddent wedi bod drwy'r mill, ac roedd rhai pethau anodd wedi digwydd yn eu teulu,

ac roedd yna ddiddordeb wedi cael ei ddwyllio. Roedd rhywbeth am eu bod yn trafod gydag unrhyw un, gyda'r microffonau'n gyrru, a gynhyhyrchyddwyd gan ffantastig, gynhyrchydd anadolol, Andrew Carter, ar Radio Cumbria, a gynnal yn dda i Brian ddysgu amdano i'w gynnyrch, sy'n rhywbeth y gwnaeth ei ddysgu ei fod yn ei wneud tua 20 mlynedd yn ôl. Ac roedd yn un o'r sgyrsiau mwyaf hyfryd. Roedd yn ffyniad o ddysgu'n dda. Nid yn ffyniad o ddysgu Boris Johnson, rwy'n sgrifio, ond yn ffyniad o ddysgu o'r gored, bydd hyn yn newid pethau, oherwydd rwy'n gallu ddweud di'n ddrwg. not a stupid Boris Johnson I'm sorry apology but a proper from the heart this will change things

because I'm capable of saying sorry so I think it would just always be stuff like that and actually the listening project was such a quiet force on radio and it's gone now which is a huge huge sadness I think it should have stayed forever and ever but it just gave enormous dignity

to people's lives and experiences and sometimes radio does that. You know, we get our heads turned by celebrity all the time. It's the people who shout the loudest to get the most noise. Squeaky wheels get the most grease and all of that type of stuff

but sometimes it's those normal people, those real people who make a difference. Real people will never catch on. It won't. I know we're running over time but Celia, rydw i gyda chi. Allwn ni gael ein llaw i gyd i bawb sydd wedi cael cwbl ar Prince Andrew yn y 70au? Nawr, mor anodd i mi ei ddychmygu. Mae cwestiwn hyfryd am sut...

Rydyn ni'n mynd i ddim i ddim nawr, rwy'n sori. Sut ydyn ni'n teimlo bod yn ystafell gyda phobl sy'n teimlo eu bod yn ffrindiau? about how, and we are going to have to end now and I'm so sorry, how do we feel to be in the room with people who feel that they're our friends and I think that's such a lovely question, thank you for that and the answer is actually really, really lovely and

I'm a real cynical old bag, I really am but there is something very special about podcasting and there's been a lovely bit of connection that we have managed somehow to do with Off Air and before that with Fortunately which has been the absolute highlight of my

working life. I mean it's you know and it's just been brilliant and we are genuinely grateful. And also can we all just grow all together because all of the stuff that you write in and all of the emails that you send and all of the life stories that you tell us you know they're just they really really really make a difference and it's just

really nice to know that you're all out there so it'd be lovely if you could stay yeah no honestly it's absolutely fantastic that connection that we genuinely feel with you and we are very grateful that you've made the effort to come tonight and even the men, we hope,

will go home having had their hearts gladdened and their brains... They've been probably promised something else but yeah, let's go. I'm very interested in these matters. But you are all free to go now. We've just got one more tote bag to award.

Birthday. Jane Bennett. She hasn't turned up after all that. She's there. She's here. We've just got one more tote bag to award. Birthday. Jane Bennett. She hasn't turned up after all that. She's there. She's here. She's here. Jane, congratulations and happy birthday.

Happy birthday. Thank you. And... I'm going to sign Nicky's book. Oh, thank you all very much. Have a safe trip home. Have a lovely weekend. May the temperature go up to 17 Celsius at some point in the next couple of weeks.

And may England men almost certainly get knocked out in the quarterfinal. But have a really decent weekend. Thank you so much for coming tonight. Thank you for coming. Thank you. I'll tell you what, just before you go, because we've got lots of copies of this,

would anyone like a copy of Richard Coles' book? This woman came from Bolton. It's an absolute pleasure. Would you like a copy? Here we are. There we go, there we go, there we go. Oh, God, can you share it? I can't, I'm going to fall over in this.

Uh-oh. They've got four greyhounds. What's happened? Four greyhounds. Okay, I'm sorry, four greyhounds wins. Four greyhounds? Four greyhounds? I'm really sorry. She's going to get the book. Four greyhounds. Okay, I'm sorry. Four greyhounds wins. I'm really sorry. Four greyhounds? Four greyhounds? I'm really sorry.

She's going to get the book. Four greyhounds. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Right, good night, everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you. Well done for getting to the end of another episode of Off Air with Jane Garvey and Fee Glover.

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