Off Air... with Jane and Fi - Mystic Garv's retirement party

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

The US election result is in and we're sending love to everyone. As well as some US political chat, Jane and Fi discuss hobs, christingles, and there's more misshapen vegetables. There's no guest today due to US election coverage. Our next book club pick has been announced! 'The Trouble with Goats and Sheep' by Joanna Cannon. If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] us on Instagram! @janeandfiPodcast Producer: Eve SalusburyExecutive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Welcome, welcome to Orphair and how would you, it's a bit of a dank day here in central London, you can't really see across the River Thames from our beautifully positioned studio here by London Bridge. And we've had an email saying that we have no right to discuss American politics and I'm happy with that. So we're just going to stop. This is from Linda. Linda just says, I listen to your podcast regularly. I quite enjoy it usually. But I will say this, please keep your opinions to yourselves with regards to American politics. It doesn't concern the UK or you. Well, actually Linda, it does, doesn't it? Well, we actually prefer it didn't, but it does. It does in a geopolitical sense, because actually one of the first things that President Donald Trump does is to leave NATO and to put Putin

and Zelensky in a room together for 24 hours to sort it out, which was his diplomatic aim for the war in Ukraine. And he's stated that publicly. Then the ramifications for us in Europe, not on mainland Europe anymore, then it's got huge repercussions in this country and there just is a special relationship, whether or not that has been fulfilling in terms of trade agreements and all of that kind of stuff. Well, yeah, I was going to say, I'm not sure it's really... It hasn't. But militarily, we turn our heads to America and we are close to America and we have been for a very long time and we have been part of allied forces and that may change.

If there is a very, very isolationist strategy, then we feel it, the rest of Europe feels it, Ukraine really feels it and the world map could change. So, I mean, I absolutely take your point to hear two women whose lives today have not definitely changed because of the result of the presidential election in America must be galling to some, but I think the fallout is pretty massive all around. Yeah, I don't feel I know America very well. I've been there a few times, but really only a few times and not for a long, long time. And I always think that we are, we are so, or I am so misled by the shared language thing. I do think we have more in common than we actually do.

And look, the couple of emails, I think it's, it's heartbreaking for me, Fi, but Nick is just one of a few people to say, can we have no more Mystic Garve? And I truly do think I'm here to say that lady, I don't know very well, she has now retired. She's shuffled off into oblivion. Never, ever to return. No, but I think there's something, I think we should keep Mystic Garve going, just so we know what

won't happen. Because your predictions are always wrong. No, well I was right last week. Kemi Badenoch is the big talking point globally, the new leader of His Majesty's opposition, predicted by me, perhaps not publicly, but I don said to you, say it in your head. No that's very true because I owe Jane lunch because we did have a bec because I thought Robert Jenrick would do it and I have made clear the terms and conditions attached to that, it's no pudding, it's just a main course.

But you may have that today. Well unfortunately I've gone to something else today because I'm just, I was, who was I, was it you I was talking to earlier? Or was it young Eve? The brain and the gut very connected aren't they? Yes they are. And like a lot of people I had an incredibly I didn't intend to stay up all night and indeed I didn't I talked to my chambers and tried to sleep and I did for a few hours but then I woke up and I couldn't really get back to sleep and you know you can't resist you I put on Times radio for a little while, young Callum, the Duracell bunny of broadcasters, sounded absolutely epic I thought, so shout out to him. And then I kind of just very, very restlessly dipping in and out of sleep,

very bizarre dreams, they don't bear repeating and then work up eventually at about 10 to 6 and just thought oh for god's sake. But yeah we are a pair of pinko liberal plonkers and there are many of us over this side of the Atlantic and we should probably have acknowledged that this was more than a very real possibility and there was a really good point made on the Times Radio Breakfast Show this morning by a whatsapper I think who just said look I've lived in the States I've got relatives there. People in Britain don't really understand how desperately poor so many American people are. You see that's where I'd slightly challenge you on our self-identification as PINCO liberals or whatever. I understand the need for a center right economic policies.

I understand where that comes from and you know, why that would seem to be appealing. I think what my bugbear with Trump is all about is not being particularly close friends with the truth. In his acceptance speech, which he has made before the official result, he made a big thing about how everybody was welcome. So he did a great big long list of American Arab communities, of Muslim communities, which he pronounced in a very strange way and I don't really know why he felt the need to do that. You know, Afro-Caribbean communities, he went through a very, very long list. Now this is a man who under his stewardship on

the stage at Madison Square Garden allowed and would have known that quite a lot of really divisive speech was being aimed at different communities. So that's my problem with him. Yeah, there's no consistency, there's no expectation of it. He's a hypocrite, this man can do and say what he likes. There's living proof of it for the second time. But I really understand that you would want to see your economic policies challenged in America at the moment because they had inflation running at 7%,

it has come down now I think to 2.7%. But when we say that inflation comes down, it doesn't mean the price of your basket of food comes down, it just doesn't increase as much as it has increased before. And obviously that has been completely devastating for so many people across America. But a massive tariff on Chinese imports, it will be interesting to see how that pans out. You know, it's the unjoined up thinking for me, Jo. But why would he do that? He's only promised to do it. We know he doesn't keep to his promises and no one expects him to. He doesn't have to. It doesn't matter. It's an odd day today and we hope that you're all alright and we have sought much solace in the pictures of distended vegetables

and do feel free to keep them coming. I'd like to say a particular thank you to Lorraine and we will put all of these up on the Insta later on today. But without political comment. No comment at all, we'll just do the pictures. You asked for a squash, here's the perfect vegetable for Monday's guest, which was the Mr Musk Senior. So that's a beautiful picture of a squash which is doing a massive impersonation of some very well-rounded buttocks with quite a slim waist there. I mean it's quite an erotic picture of a squash. It's a good looking squash.

It's a very good looking squash. I make no bones about it. And then there's one that has come in from Sarah and it's a picture of a tomato with a massive hemorrhoid. And oh, it's just lovely. I like to think actually that whoever it was who sent in the screaming pepper was predicting something because there was a howling face in that pepper and we didn't take that seriously. So let alone mystic garb, I think we go mystic veg from here on in. Slice your pepper, look at the runes like they used to do in ancient Greece. They'd chuck out the entrails and somebody would come along and look at them

and divine from that what the gods were thinking. How could you divine from the entrails of what, anything? Anything, usually sheep or a goat. And how they fell, you could, you know, basically it was an early and quite carnivorous version of reading the tea leaves. I see. Right you did you chucked the entrails out to the gods. Pop that in your knowledge bank Boris Johnson the moment of the night for me. Ah yes. Do tell. Stormy Daniels was a guest on the Channel 4's

coverage of the American election. Did you watch any telly? I did I watched quite a bit of the Channel 4 for the first watch any telly? I did. I watched quite a bit of the Channel 4 for the first hour or so. They were over in Washington hosted by Christian Guru Murthy and Emily Maitlis. It was a fiery old table that they were sitting around and Boris Johnson was there for the first hour or so and Stormy Daniels was a guest for a little while and there was one point when they were talking about the character of Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels was a guest for a little while and there was one point when they were talking about the character of Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels just turned to Boris Johnson and said do you have children and it was just a magical moment.

Pin drop. Where he looked a little drop. No, mic drop, sorry. What does pin drop mean? I don't know. Sorry, I'm not. That's when you're trying to find somebody on a map. I've not had much sleep.

Mic drop. Boris Johnson looked a bit perplexed. Well does he or not? He was either counting or temporarily trying to remember or he was just thinking where's this gonna go and the point that she was trying to make and she went on to say would you be happy to leave your daughters in a room with Donald Trump. Yeah, well what was the answer? And he kind of blustered his way through and said that actually his meetings with Donald Trump he had found him to be polite and respectful. He isn't a woman is he? He's a man and he doesn't he doesn't have anything that Donald

Trump would want to grab. I mean this is something that Donald Trump obviously has said that he enjoys doing and Stormy Daniels knows quite a bit about Donald Trump but it was quite a glorious little moment. How did the presenters deal with it? So they did let Boris Johnson answer, but then there was just a bit of knowingness around the table. It can be awkward when somebody asks you. How many children you've got?

I've only got two and I sometimes get their names wrong. So how he copes I've got absolutely no idea. Yeah. I wonder if he was just waiting because he was thinking okay how many have I actually admitted and how many are there? Anyway, it's not funny for the individuals involved but it was a long old night and we'd be very interested in your tales of how you spent last night and whether or not, I mean actually so insanely jealous of those people who just kept to their normal routine and woke up with the alarm at ten past seven or whatever it was this morning and heard the news that way. I wish that could have been me. I did watch half an episode of Rivals, I think, but even that wasn't...

It wasn't distracting enough. It wasn't distracting enough, no. So, Jane's right. We'd love to hear from you. And if you're living in America and if you welcome the result and, you know, don't be a shy Republican on this podcast, you can send us your thoughts as well and your thoughts about how it's going to pan out for you in your communities is a very interesting thing. Very interesting thing. Yeah.

Do tell us because people have been corresponding with the podcast saying saying, oh you know, I live in an area where you do see an awful lot of Trump banners and posters and everything in gardens and maybe not so many Harrison Walls. And there are all kinds of questions, you know, was Walls the right running mate? Did Joe Biden leave it too late? Would Biden have done better against Trump than she did? I think that's unlikely. And as for that surge of women going out to BACA, well, loads of women went to vote, but not necessarily for her. And that women's part in this cannot... I mean, it frustrates the life out of me.

But it was the same with Hillary Clinton, that the majority of white women voted for Donald Trump. We haven't had that breakdown of the stats this time round, but you wonder don't you? Yep, it is also a truth that we have kind of alighted on that maybe America is a safer place because Donald Trump has won because of the aggression that could have been shown. Well he's not querying the result is he? If the result had been contested or if it had gone the other way, so is that something that we're just kind of concocting over here?

You tell us, that would be great. Can I just say, and then we're absolutely going to move on from it, thank you so much everybody who's written in about the Errol Musk interview and I think as we said on the podcast yesterday, what Jane and I really love about doing Off Air is that we are a community of like-minded souls in many ways. But not necessarily politically. No but sometimes it is just quite kind of comforting to hear and you've sent lovely emails in and thank

you very much indeed for all of that and I also think that Jane and I come from that place in journalism where we do genuinely believe that it is always better to hear what people say and to let them say it. You know trying to shut everybody up all of the time is not necessarily a good thing so it it was quite a difficult listen for lots of people but I think on the whole we are glad that you waded your way through it and came to a conclusion at the end of it and let's just say no more about him. We'll post up the vegetable pictures and we'll move on. Fern Britton hasn't caused the same controversy but you never know. She makes her home in Cornwall and writes stories. You might feel that you're in Devon and you've

heard enough about Cornwall. So you can object to that interview as well. I know you won't because that firm was delightful. Right, this is from Sarah. I went to bed full of hope last night and then woke up to the fact that, you know, the anxiety that you had described is back and I do feel despair for my friends in the States and the fact that so many people could vote for such a person. I had to stop listening to the news so I went for a run to find out that I was up to the podcast where the two Janes, this is last week, Fee, were full of hope. Yes, I remember that. My biggest fear is the long fought for rights for women. I'm sorry I've got nothing to witty at all to say, but I wanted you to know that in the last couple of years you've got me through my 60th birthday, the death of my mother and getting my doctorate.

Hopefully you can raise our spirits through this. I don't think the sign off, bring back the ghoulies is the right one today. So I'm gonna say best wishes. So Sarah, thank you. Sorry to hear about your mom. Congratulations on the doctorate. I hope your mom was around to see you getting the doctorate

and happy 60th birthday. I'm sure that might have been a while ago now, but anyway, all the very best from us and thank you for being part of this community. But, you know, without being too pompous, we do know that this is a bit of a tough time for those of us who were around in 2016 as well, it just feels like, oh god, it's like the oily fish with the repeating burp. It's like that, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, women's reproductive rights is just such a massive thing that very few people I think in their lifetime change their minds about. So it is always…

Well, until life does something to them. But it's difficult, isn't it, to think of all of the women who are now thinking that's it forever for me, for my daughters, for my sister, for the woman I know down the road, whatever circumstances they find themselves in. If you're living in a state that has a six week abortion ban, you know, you may well know people who are genuinely going to be in trouble. They will be the poorer people who are genuinely going to be in trouble. They will be the poorer people who can't afford a plane ticket to get themselves to a place where they can be in control of their bodies. That's just the reality. And my heart goes out to them, Jane.

So... Yeah, no, it does. And actually, we keep saying we're trying to move on and we are trying to move on, but can we just learn from this and never have a celebrity endorsement again? Yeah, I think that's a very good point to make. Because they don't work! They don't, do they? Because they anger people who maybe you could convince if you just sat down at a chat and for the people who welcome them, you know, it's just a kind of, it's a candle on the icing on the cake, isn't it? You don't need to know how your favourite performer votes.

You probably know instinctively how they might lean, what their feelings are. But you're right, it just angers those people and it's always the majority who are not fans of the individual. However popular they are, most people won't like them because that's the way the world works. And I don't think, you know, we know that Taylor Swift has not swung it for Carmela, and I think we can pretty much guarantee that Hulk Hogan didn't swing it for Donald. You say that.

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It's one of those kind of very musky things. It's not a, what's the actually, the very nice one that's in the very orange bottles, aqua thingamajiggywatt thingamajiggywatt. Oh yes, that's quite sophisticated. What's that? Is it not called, it's not aqua marine? What's that called? Aqa depama. Sorry? Deparma. Yes, that.

So if that's at the top end of the lovely citrusy thing. Where's this? Sauvages right down the dark end. It's in quite a dark bottle too. So frosty jockstrap. Yes. So I think it was talking of which. It would definitely mask a very smelly pool.

You interviewed who yesterday in the smells department? Jo Malone! Yep, and we'll be putting that interview out tomorrow Eve, is that right? Or sometime next week? Eve's had a busy week. That interview is coming your way soon! But she's such a lovely woman Jane. She must have smelled great.

She wasn't particularly ponging herself, I mean she looked very clean. We do like a clean guest. But her story is just extraordinary. She was the family breadwinner when she was 12 years old. And she's doing this new maestro course back at the old place, which is teaching young people entrepreneurial skills, which she really, really, really believes in. I mean, she's not just an entrepreneur.

She's somebody who has got knocked down come back up again got knocked down come back up again she has survived really really aggressive breast cancer she had a breakdown after she had sold her business because she just couldn't find her identity anymore having worked so hard to build it up. In case anybody doesn't know, outside the UK, Jo Malone was an incredibly upmarket, perfumery-scented candle. Yes, and she really put that kind of buy a bottle of my fragrance or candle thing and you kind of buy a little bit of a lifestyle.

Bit of luxury. Yeah, so her shops were, do you remember them? They just felt so... Well, they're still in existence, they're just not her. Not hers, but when they arrived on a high street, they were remarkable because in this country we didn't have any other shops that just sold Pongy things and nothing else. But also the beautiful styling. The packaging, the ribbons and everything very snuggly fitting, you know, like Apple

products fit very snuggly. The packaging is really, really thought through, isn't it? Yeah, very thought through and very impressive. And now the new company is Joe Loves, isn't it? It is, yeah. So we can hear and smell a bit of Joe Malone. But she was also, Jane, I mean, in what is just a fudgy day for many people, she's such a good person.

You know, she's in her 60s now and she still just really wants to put something back, really wants to help out young people. She's such a good person, you know, she's in her 60s now and she still just really wants to put something back, really wants to help out young people. And she's right as well that in a world increasingly dominated by AI, your entrepreneurial spirit, your sense of creativity has never been more important. And the younger generation are just going to have to learn to do a lot of things, aren't they? And self-start, I think, in a way that perhaps we haven't needed to do quite as much. No, I think that's true. The concept of the side hustle is really, I mean, it certainly wasn't something that we knew anything about in our adolescence or our twenties. Well, nobody felt the need to have a job and then have a job on the side and then one in case that one doesn't work out and then something else to pay the rent and yeah, I mean it's just very different. So yeah, that's coming your way soon.

Yes, I thought that you did that very well. Hello to Louise. Your chat about Chris Dingle, we're moving into really nice gentle territory here. Your chat about Chris Dingle reminded me of a service we were at many years ago when our children were small. The little ones were standing at the front of the church holding their decorated oranges and their lighted candles when suddenly a mother yelled from behind us, Nicholas, your hair's on fire! The poor little chap had been intently watching his candle and his floppy fringe must have fallen into the flame.

Disaster was averted quickly and the little trooper carried on with the rest of the carols minus his fringe. Louise, thank you very much and well done to that plucky lad for battling on because that's the spirit of showbiz isn't it? Never stop, keep on trooping even if your fringe is on fire. I had an incident the other day actually when I was wearing a, I'm going to say, what do you call it when the sleeves of your shirt are slightly puffy? What is it called that? Puffy sleeves? Not puffy sleeves, bell sleeves? What are they called? I don't know.

No, anyway, a sleeve. And I was cooking. Yes, I was cooking, little homemaker that I am. Fortunately, I did have a friend in attendance and my sleeve got caught in the hob flame. And I'll tell you what, the speed, I mean it was ludicrous. The pace of my reaction was pathetic and there were flames just shooting up my arm. Anyway, fortunately the friend was extremely adept, shoving everything under a cold tap and it was all, disaster was averted. But I've never worn a floppy sleeve anywhere near the old oven again. Oh very sensible advice.

You've asked about whether there's any scarring can you just see there's a tiny red mark. There is a tiny red mark. It was quite nasty for a couple of weeks no one noticed. Okay have you ever thought about a ceramic hob? What would that mean? It wouldn't mean there wouldn't be an open flame. Oh, there's no flame? No, my mum's got one of those. I find them, because I can never work out whether they're hot or not.

Oh, I love mine. Oh, do you? Okay. Very, very much. Do you remember we had in an earlier... Woman loves ceramic hob shock. In an earlier incarnation of the podcast, we did have a whole... I can't remember those days. We had a whole meme about people whose bosoms were so big they extinguished flames whilst reaching for a back hob.

I'd like to return to that. In some ways. Well, sometimes I just think I'd have been happier in which century would have suited me best. Well, I'd have had my work cut out really in any century before the 20th. I think maybe your best times are ahead. Right, I'm going to go with that because life's just too depressing at the moment to take that as anything other than a compliment. This is from another Fee who says after many years of enjoying your podcast it probably says a great deal about me that it's the meal deal that has finally compelled me to write in. Who knows it might be a gateway to a more profound email later on. Your listener Danny was sad to have to choose

between a savoury and a sweet snack but there's good news at least for your listeners in the north of the country. That's the UK. Booths, are you familiar with Booths? I am because they've still got proper checkouts, haven't they? They have. It's, as Fee tells us, a fancy supermarket up here known as the Waitrose of the North. They let you have four items in their meal deal. That's good, isn't it? They're good ones as well. You could have a Higgity roll or lint chocolate, for example. And I think that goes some way towards compensating for the weather up here. You win some, you lose

some. Thank you for the podcast. Listening to it brings me a lot of joy. Well, it's lovely to have you on board, Vee. We're very grateful and thank you for that tip about booths. I don't get the chance to go in because there isn't one in the Liverpool area and I never know why, but there should be. Gosh, something wrong with the Liverpool area. No booths. Absolutely dreadful. It's the only thing wrong with it. It's nice to hear for another fee as well.

Yes it is. So any other fees, if you'd like to be in touch, let's have a little club of solidarity. Have we got a guest today? No guest. No guest. And we've got to wrap up at quarter past. We've got to wrap up and in the interest of transparency it's because one of us has to interview a former British ambassador to the United States.

And that's you. And that's me. And it's not something I do every day. No. I'm currently struggling my way through the diplomat on the Netflix. Oh my word. If anybody else has any idea what that plot is meant to be at the beginning, I mean it's like I'm picking a knot that has got caught in a bundle of hair. Are you in the first series? No, I'm in season two and I can remember everyone was blown up at the end, there was a car bomb at the end of season one, which was quite frustrating actually because it was a little bit,

you know, it was unsatisfying because you just knew you had to wait for season two and I've joined season two with an open heart, Jane. How have you? Oh my word. That's so typical of you. I don't know what's happening but I've stuck with it for a couple of episodes but I mean, unless there's a really good kind of cheat sheet coming my way, I'm not going to be able to do the rest of it. Do you know what, I quite fancy being an ambassador. That's a role that, I mean,

perhaps the diplomacy might have been part of the, I need probably to be a bit more discreet. Yes, I think maybe you might have to dial down the gossip. Well, I like the idea of hosting receptions. All right, Eve. We will finish when we want to finish. Bev very very briefly says top tip in any meeting you want to finish and you want to finish it quickly say nothing. Why is there always one person who always questions everything and drags it out whilst everyone else is rolling their eyes? Well we're not dragging this out anymore. Bev thank you. Sunnier times lie ahead and we love hearing from you.

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