Off Air... with Jane and Fi - No severe wind has ever gone through Royal Tunbridge Wells!

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

Jane and Fi are reunited after a week apart for this email special- recording from Times Radio's swanky branded bus! They talk hurricanes in Hammersmith, date etiquette and the content of sausages... If you would like to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] Follow us on Instagram! @janeandfi Assistant Producer: Harry Kitson Podcast Producer: Eve Salusbury Executive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The Times Tech podcast with Katie Prescott and Danny Fortson. Follow us now wherever you get your podcasts. So we're back on the bus. Now Jane has been on the bus before because you did a movie outside broadcast from Red car red car red car. Yeah, why were you in red car? It was part of the red wall in what now seems a lifetime ago the 2019 general election Okay, so the bus is it's like the meet the fuckers bus, isn't it? It's like a great big RV it's got a bedroom in the back it's got a good talk with a great big frosted glass shower door and it just stinks it smells of air freshener plastic and

ambition I think it smells of the open road and a load of possibilities. It's quite something, I'm very impressed. And well, do we need to describe for our listeners outside, well outside the UK in some cases, what Cheltenham is like because that's where we find ourselves reunited today. What a good idea. So you go. Well Cheltenham. It's um Cheltenham is if you were going to think about Middle England I don't think it gets middle-ear than Cheltenham and I do mean that I think in a positive way it's leafy there are Georgian terraces aren't there? Yes it's very it's very white and green

isn't it because the Georgian townhouses are all stuck in front of it, they're all painted white and they've got beautiful proportions. Quite a lot of people have got a carriage drive, Jane, that they most certainly have. They can drive in and they can drive out. And they can take their pick of a range of upmarket stores. Yes. So it is really leafy as well, you're right. It just feels very, it feels very beautiful, doesn't it? And in parts it is very beautiful. And it is where the Literature Festival descends at this time of year. But actually Cheltenham is

Festival City, isn't it, because they've got the Jazz Festival as well. They've got the races. Yes, I think they definitely had a Design Festival too and a Science Festival. So they are just festivals a-go and we've come to the literature festival which is why the Times radio bus is parked up here. You've got some very bright lights shining behind you and we are in a close contact table area, aren't we? I could actually rub up against your knee. Well don't.

And there are not a lot of times when your short legs and my short legs connect under a table. I've always been told it's not my legs that are short, it's my trunk. Okay. Right, I'm sorry about that. And based on the fact that I'm wearing an average length pair of trousers that admittedly have been taken up a bit, I think that's probably true. Okay, right. Well, I don't want to shatter your illusions, so let's stick with that. Anyway, you were off for a couple of days. Have you had a lovely time? I've had a really lovely time actually, thank you. So some of it included a little bit of work and some of it was a bit of leisure.

But yesterday I was at a conference which was organised by the Sir Halley Stewart Trust. Do you know the name Sir Halley Stewart? I think I probably should know it. Well, I don't know the name either and he was an industrialist from the previous previous century. He made his fortune in bricks. He formed the London Brick Company and he was just way ahead of his time. Philanthropy was his direction of travel but he supported women's suffrage, child poverty, literature.

He was just an amazing man and he amassed this huge, huge fortune which was turned into a trust which now you can apply for small grants and it does tend to be small grants. So it supports loads and loads of charities who otherwise would find it tough to get grants. So I don't really understand that whole grant making world so it was very interesting and so many of the projects are just really uplifting. I mean just so two tiny examples, Professor Irene Higgins was there and she does some remarkable work in palliative care. She's absolutely the forefront of palliative care and the hospice movement and she was the recipient of a grant for some of

her work and then they support lots of work overseas. One being a snake bite project in Africa where snake bites haven't been taken, not taken seriously, of course they're taken seriously but they, the treatment of them hasn't really been embraced in primary health care in a very official way. So a charity had applied for a grant to just get these things taken more seriously. So that's the breadth of what they do. But you know what Jane, it was so lovely to be sitting in a room full of incredibly decent people doing good things for the benefit of others without personal gain and just more of that in the world. A contrast to your regular daily life. Not at all. What kind of it? But a lot of people made the

comparison between somebody like Halle Stewart, who was, you know, a multi-multi-millionaire of his time and the multi-multi-millionaires and billionaires we see now who want to go to Jupiter and they want to spread their seed all over the planet. And you know, they want to back free speech when you know it's just toxic hatred. And you just think actually we just do need more Halle Stewart's in the world we just really really really do and that world doesn't get a light shone on it often enough so there ends my speech and thank you for listening. No that was your Ted talk

it was and it was good I'm still haunted by that image of Elon Musk jumping up behind Donald Trump it's just with his slightly hairy stomach exposed. Anyway, it'll all soon be over if you're listening in the States. Hang on in there. Only how many more weeks to go? Three? Gosh, it's three now, isn't it? Yes, three weeks. Thank you to everybody who has been engaging with the chit chat of the two Janes during the course of Fiona's absence.

And we've got lots of emails, and I'm just gonna let you, Fiona, pick some of your favorites before I... Why have we gone to Fiona? Why have I got to join Susan? I don't feel that I've, because I haven't been spending time with you, so you can't be free to me.

Oh God, do I have to? But later on you will be. Rick, do I have to go through it all again? Start right back in 2010? 2010, was it? Oh, by the way, do I have to go through it all again? Start right back in 2010? We should say we are here to interview some amazing people, aren't we? Yes, who are we interviewing? We are interviewing Brenda Blethan, fantastic actress,

and the writer Anne Cleves, who created the brilliant Vera Stanhope, and Brenda plays Vera in the Vera show. But we're doing that live here at Chiltern this afternoon. You can hear some of it on Times Radio and if you didn't catch it live because you're listening in the future you can always go back on the app and hear it or you could wait for a fabulous podcast edition in a week or so's time. Yeah I feel I'm trapped in some kind of a one-way system and I can't get out of that sentence. But basically keep listening kids. That's the message. Yeah, don't turn up. Okay. Alison says I'm very upset because I can't come to

Cheltenham today. I've got a very horrible cough and nobody would thank me for being there. I've been listening to you since I caught up on F at the other place during lockdown and I've been planning this trip for ages but my social conscience has got the better of me. Well, do you know what Alison, good on you because so many people don't think that way, do they? They just think and we were on the train this morning. That bloke, that's a guy who was sneezing. I mean, if that was the beginning of a Gwyneth Paltrow pandemic movie, that would be the sneeze that killed the

world. I mean, it was just this vast. He didn't put his hand in front of his mouth. Did he not? Because I couldn't see him. No, he didn't. What was the age of this gentleman? I would say that he would tick the the box on the survey that would go kind of 35 to 44. Old enough to know better. Nearly at the peak of his powers. Yep. So Alison, thank you for staying away because it means that you're not going to spread germs all over the place but we're sorry not to see you, but your friend Catherine is coming on her own I'm sure the offer community will make her welcome if there was any chance of giving her a tote bag have we brought tote bags Eve? We haven't brought tote bags. There are only seven left.

There are only seven left? Did Jane just swear? It's right, it's the podcast. Okay, oh my word. Let's never mention them again. Let's never mention them again, but I'm gonna hang on to that email Allison And obviously I mean I can't make any promises now. You shouldn't make promises either. No, he's separate left What's gonna be our next giveaway? What about a lovely country cottage? Just give me country cottages. I'd like that. Let's see. Let's see if we can work on it No news on the Shetland ponies either by the way now I'm gonna have to put my glasses on under my quite close-fitting headphones. I was talking earlier this week, Fee, about the fact that I can be deliberately oppositional,

and I believe it's something I get from my father. And I did mention the fact that during- Do you want me to jump in? No, no, don't say anything. Okay. Because, no. I did mention that during the late Princess Diana's funeral my dad didn't spend any time in the house at all he spent the entire day in

the garage well my sister and my mom drank gin and watched the ceremonials and we have an email here from Nicola who says I refused as well to be play any part in King Charles's coronation for no reason at all other than everyone else would be watching it, and I chose instead to spend the day painting my bedroom. I absolutely watched none of the coverage. Or in correct English, I watched absolutely none of the coverage. By the way, I got it wrong, not Nicola. I suspect that the Royalists have had the last laugh though, as the coronation is done and forgotten whilst I still haven't got round to painting the windowsill. Okay, come on Nicola, do better, get back, they are a bit fiddly though windowsills aren't

they? And I wonder whether anyone notices. But that was just a deliberate move on Nicola's part not to pay any attention to what was certainly pitched to us all as an event of national importance. Now, whether it was, because I don't think everyone did watch it, you and I were actually there. Yes. But I'm not sure, I can be honest, if I hadn't been commissioned to be there for work, I

don't think I would have watched it, Jane. Oh, you would. You see, you always say this because you can't believe... I can't resist an event....that it would mean nothing. And so I wouldn't be as kind of pointed as your dad. It wouldn't be because I deliberately wanted to, you know, have a bath in republicanism for the day. It would just be... I just... You've seen... I mean, you've seen one carriage, you've seen them all.

Do you not think? How many coronations do you get to see in a lifetime? Not many, not many. No, but I just think it does leave some people unbothered. Nicholas says, she's continuing, don't get me started on the subject of cricket tees. I've taken a firm stand against getting involved in making cricket tees and intend to until there's a sport that women play while men whip up a cold fork buffet for them. Let's create one. Let's create the sport. I think that's brilliant Nicola and we're gonna focus on that that might be my next career move. Actually it is unthinkable isn't it that there would be a sport where all the men were searching around a superstore in the middle of the afternoon for some extra pork pies because the ladies have eaten so much.

I'm starving at half time. So we did sit opposite for a very brief moment on the train and then we went our separate ways so we could have some peace and quiet. We sat opposite a very nice man who agreed to move because he could sit in the backward facing seat and he was just reading through a paper on beef finishing. Now the things that you learn when you just get randomly chatting to people I've never heard of the term... He did try to explain it didn't he? ...beef finishing. Yeah. So it's part of the livestock farming process but it's not the ultimate ultimate end. Why is it called finishing then? It's the end of a beef's life. End of a beef's life?

I think we do need a little bit more explanation but it was one of those things when he said it I thought okay I've got some curiosity about this but not not all the curiosity about this but it has left me still being curious so I'm just gonna put that out there. I can help us perhaps what beef finishing I'm sure if our new friend from the train does listen. I think he probably doesn't He could do what everybody else doesn't email Jane just email time stop radio But on the subject of that I'm always puzzled as to why it is that only lamb is The same name in meat form as it is in the field. So, beef is cow, lamb, yes, yes, I know, don't worry.

No, I'm just working, I'm a bit tired. So, you're right, because there isn't an aisle marked sheep, is there, in the supermarket? No, that's very interesting isn't it? It's not very interesting, it's interesting. Let's not give it too much credibility but you're right. You're absolutely right. Now we did have a really thought-provoking email earlier in the week from Chloe who's very young and whose dad has died very suddenly when he was just 60. Thank you to everybody who's emailed on this subject. This anonymous emailer just says I got loads of flowers when my dad died and I actually hated it. It's like being given chores. First you have to find a vase, you have to trim and arrange them,

and then you have to stop the cat eating them. And then they die anyway, and then you fap about chucking them away. I would so much have preferred some nice chocolates or a voucher for a salon. Thank you for that thought because I think that's definitely worth raising again. It's something we have talked about before because we have a possible solution to someone who might be wondering how do I help my friend. We certainly do because a colleague and friend of ours called Steph runs a whole company called Don't Buy Her Flowers

which aims to solve exactly that problem and she set it up because she just saw too many people being given flowers when they just had a baby. The last thing you want is loads of flowers when you just had a baby. They just, they do. They get in the way and you're absolutely right. As our previous correspondent said, you have to go and find a vase. Inevitably it's not clean. You have to pop them in and then you have to deadhead them and then you have to throw

them away and then they smell. And it's just a bit weird isn't it? I think a salon voucher is a great idea because I know I'm not being in any way, I hope this doesn't sound dismissive, but sometimes just having a lovely buff up of your feet is quite transporting and just gives you a little bit of me time and something you can focus on for yourself if you're going through any sort of agony. I completely agree and actually do you know what when my dad died which was quite sudden and it was also when I just had a baby there was a double whammy of flowers doing the rounds then and it was just that very weird thing if I couldn't work out which was the happy bunch and which was the sad bunch and actually they were both bunches that I didn't need and you're absolutely right. A voucher to go and have a really nice manicure or pedicure or for somebody to wash my hair

for me would have been absolutely terrific. So I think you are on to something there. Or just those very more practical things, you know, I think those boxes of biscuits, they're quite a good idea too you know just something well something you wouldn't well the definition of a gift something you probably wouldn't get yourself yeah so but something useful and flowers are lovely but they're not useful so yeah I would agree totally agree now I don't really know all the things that you've talked about with the Malk so I'm just gonna have to say she's been very serious because she knows a lot about America.

So we've been talking a lot about the election and about her thoughts on American politics and general life experience. So I did read today that Kamala Harris has now got a billion dollars in the war chest for her election campaigning, which is just staggering, isn't it? It's an enormous amount of money. But the situation there just gets crazier and crazier. The stuff about misinformation about the hurricane is beyond troubling. Yes, so we should probably unpack that a little bit. So I think Trump is involved in some of this too, isn't he, in pushing disinformation

about the hurricane. How could you be so stupid? With the intent to make the governing authorities seem lame and not prepared. And diverting funds to other causes. But the notion that you could direct a severe extreme weather event to a particular part of the country, some people are prepared to believe that. On a much more domestic, and it has to be said quite amusing note, there's been a kerfuffle here in the UK today.

So this morning, when we all got up, we've all been coming from different parts of London and whatever. We don't all live in the same house. And you had put up on the group WhatsApp that the BBC Weather site was warning you that there were hurricane winds arriving in Hammersmith. It didn't look great. The winds were forecast to be over a thousand miles an hour. I know, but then David, who's our executive, executive editor with executive titles. He's so executive.

He's very executive. He flagged up that the hurricane winds were also going to pass through Tumbridge Wells. Royal Tumbridge Wells. Royal Tunbridge Wells. And no severe wind has ever gone through Royal Tunbridge Wells. It's actually not allowed. So there's obviously been a cock up. Yeah so I looked on Dolston and it just was kind of like oh this is absolutely ridiculous because I was still in Dolston when you were sending all these things it's just like it's a wee bit blowy but it's not hurricane winds. The BBC news flash came up, glitch on website and I cannot wait, because we're going to talk about this on the radio program later, I cannot wait to find out whether or not that is cock-upper

conspiracy. Well it could be a hack, couldn't it? It could, I guess it could be. And if somebody starts hacking with my weather forecast. That's it. Taking liberties. That is it. Yeah, no, that's so gone too far. Well we won't know whether we're coming or going. No, we really won't. The disturbance will be dreadful, Jane. We shouldn't laugh too much about it because I know that the hurricane situation, the devastation in America, is terrifying. But you're messing with our minds. This is anonymous, really love the show I'm 53 overweight menopausal try not to be too miserable about it. I did a mental fist pump when you brought up the body attitudes of the older generations in your show even though I explained to my 82 year old dad that I'm 53 and it's

quite normal at my age and stage to put a bit of weight on and that I'm working on it and when I'm older it'll likely drop back a bit like it did for him and mum he continues to niggle on. Have you been talking about this? We have because I can't remember how Jane and I got onto this but it was definitely something that older people possibly and I'm not sure whether this is the explanation possibly because they grew up around rationing which didn't't end until, in fact, Eve looked it up, 1954. 1954? Wow. Food rationing stopped much later than most people realised, certainly later than I realised.

So that means that on the whole, a particular generation, if they're fortunate enough to still be around well over 80 and even over 90, there simply weren't many overweight people of their vintage back in the day. Anyway, did the bus move then? Yes, well Lloyd got on the bus. Oh I see, right, okay. Yeah, no it's quite all right Lloyd, come on in, come on in. But you've rocked it a little bit, lovey. It rocked a bit. It was the most fun I've had in ages. Either that or there's some groupies in the back. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, so yes, Anonymous is reacting to exactly that, that sometimes you can get judgment when you're in middle age from the generation above you about how you've, quote, let yourself

go. Okay. And Anon goes on to say, in our last conversation when I said I was working on my health and fitness he said, good, because you need to and I'll be asking for a record of your weight loss. Good Lord. I know this comment is grounded in love and concern and perhaps some jest. I found this comment a bit hard to take and made a quick exit off the call.

This was a couple of weeks ago and to be honest I'm avoiding contacting my parents. Should I tackle it with him or just leave it? Past attempts to explain it's not cool haven't been grasped. Maybe I should just harden up. Because I live overseas I don't get to spend much time with mum and dad and I'm becoming increasingly aware they won't be around forever. But when I do see them in person once or twice a year, I'm waiting for the comments and the judgement from dad and it takes up a lot of my headspace when we should surely be enjoying our time together.

Any thoughts welcome before our next FaceTime and before they arrive to visit in person in March next year Even by our reckoning with a series of very long lists of which nothing ever gets completely crossed off I think we can do it by March next year Jane By the way, I reckon you're right about the rationing giving a healthy start to the boomers My dad still drinks the cabbage water and he's in great Nick Well, I would love to hear some thoughts about that. I mean to be honest I think you're absolutely entitled to say please don't say that it's just upsetting. Not everybody is blessed with a start in the

rationing years and the ability to drink cabbage water. Metabolisms are very different. Yeah and also I think you're just entitled to say ouch, just ouch that's just not very nice. If you can't say anything nice, why don't you shut up? Well, if that were the case, I'd be in a silent order. Pippa says, read your discussion about a man talking to Jane yesterday for two hours about his job. Actually, I told you about this on the train on the way here. This rang true for me about the dating world. I'm in my late 20s and it still baffles, strokes, irritates me that I frequently

have dates with men, also late 20s, who simply don't notice that I'm the one asking all the questions. I thought by now it would be clear what the rules of conversation are as you, as in you have a back and forth. Asking somebody questions shows you are curious about them and you want to get to know them Isn't that the whole point of a date? I don't know whether it's something to do with how men are socialized as into them having a chat with someone means you expect other People to jump in wherever they want instead of actively asking them something they can respond to they want instead of actively asking them something they can respond to. Now I don't want to break any confidences but you have been at an event relatively recently where it you know happened to be a man stood up and could have asked a

question but instead just gave a speech. That was astonishing Jane, I mean because literally the question from me was are there any questions yes and this guy just told told everybody a lot of stories about himself there were no questions and I'd specifically asked for questions I hadn't said would anybody like to stand up and tell us about themselves for four minutes not show and tell this is Q&A so it is my body but I think our correspondent is really onto something because we assume that people know how to make conversation and I think there's an increasing need for it to be taught because the way that kids can have a one-way street all to themselves

with the devices, with their televisions, I mean there just is much more reliance on screens, smart speakers, that is all one direction, that is them just asking a thing, giving orders, yes, exactly telling them to do something for them, there isn't anything coming back. And when we first started the listening project back at the BBC, which I think to my dying day will be the thing that I'm most proud of ever having been involved in and we the producers who were recording the conversations we had and us we had a guidebook of how to have proper conversations because actually what always tended to happen was that

somebody because these were people who knew each other would be the more dominant in a conversation. They would drive it. Yes. And the whole point was that it had to be balanced and you had to really listen, because of the title, and then pose your question instead of just formulating your own constant, constant response. That's not a conversation.

You know, that's ping-pong when you actually want to go out onto a tennis court and have a very long rally and not really know the end result of it too. And there was a huge validity in just laying down some very simple guidelines about chat. And I think it would have been, and at one stage we were hoping that the whole project might move into schools and be picked up not as part of the national curriculum but just as a project that schools might be enabled to tap into because of the value of teaching kids how to listen and how to have a proper conversation where you learn stuff.

So I don't think it's a given that we all know how to do it. Well it clearly isn't. where you learn stuff. So I don't think it's a given that we all know how to do it. Well it clearly isn't. Our listener Pippa says, I've had dates in recent years where I decided if by the time I've asked them three questions and they haven't asked me any, I will just sit in silence and nod. Okay, that's a good idea. One man who I deployed this tactic with was clearly a bit panicked that there was a lull in the conversation, the perfect time you might think to throw the conversation over to me by perhaps asking a question, but then instead he rectified the situation by just extending his initial anecdote. Yes, right. I mean, I probably am thin-eyed so I can extend an anecdote. But I wonder

what it is, because I don't have sons, I don't know when this starts. So, and and it can't be it's not all men. It's not all boys. So what is it? It's really not all boys So it's really not where is this coming from? So well, I think it's just well I think in the older generation it is to do with sexism and it is to do with Automatic power that a man has to broadcast his own sense of himself. And do you remember that email we had that congratulated somebody's grandmother on being demure when they got married in a paper? So it's that kind of women will be the quieter ones thing. But I think in the modern younger generations I don't think it's just men. I think there are an awful lot of girls who are incredibly comfortable doing their own broadcasts.

And I think it is the kind of monologue. You're very in charge of conversation on a WhatsApp or something, aren't you? Because you're not interrupted. You can just keep going. Yeah, but you shouldn't mistake that for a conversation. No, but I think that's where an awful lot of kids are learning communication. So tricky. That's why they can't. We get young people who can't make phone calls, don't we? No, but I think that's where an awful lot of kids are learning communication. So That's why they can't we get young people who can't make phone calls, don't we? We do. Yes

Yeah And I think there are loads and loads of young people who find it incredibly difficult to even be in a shop and you know Have eye contact with somebody can't order something in a restaurant you know that that because it's uncomfortable isn't it when you first start going out into the world and you have to say something listen say something relevant again it's quite hard work so later on we've got the excitement of Brenda Blethan and Anne Cleves and we are quite a big fan of the second dimension and I've been looking up details about Brenda Blethan and Anne Cleves today and I think it was the Daily Express. I'm going to extend my praise to the journalists of the Daily

Express who in a second mention referencing Vera Stanhope, the great detective created by Anne Cleves and could now only be played by Brenda Blethan. It's impossible to think of anyone else playing the part, isn't it? The second mention in the Express was sturdy sleuth. That's brilliant. That's good, isn't it? It's very good. And it's alliterative, it does the job. And the most googled question about... Was? The most googled question about Brenda Blethan is... And body shape, indeed. Does Brenda Blethan wear padding to play Vera? That is the first question on the Google. I've genuinely, I mean I've watched all of them, so have you. I've never thought, I tell you what, I wonder whether there's enough padding going on there.

I won't sleep tonight unless I've found out the answer to that question. I don't want to ask that question, it's just madness. Just how rude is that if the answer's no? It's just horrendous. I'm not going to do that. By the way, the answer is not no. Okay. But also, there's so much to talk to Brenda Blethan about. I didn't really know that much about her family. She's the youngest of nine. Youngest of nine. Her parents didn't marry for 20 years. They were engaged 20 years,

had eight children before they got married. She's thinking about it. Had the first eight. Shall we see how it goes after the next one? That's hope and optimism. Thank goodness they kept going because then we wouldn't have Brenda. But also mum's family name was Supple and her dad's family name was Bottle. Right, Supple Bottle. Actually a brilliant, brilliant double barrel name. Nicky says, I was listening to your programme about the most comfortable knickers. And Fee was saying she wore something like Lycra shorts under her clothes

and it reminded me of the flesh-coloured big knickers that Grannies used to wear when I was a child. Les Dawson's character in the Sissy and Ada sketches used to flash them and I wondered why we didn't bring them back. I always wondered that if that's all women wore or if they had smaller knickers on underneath. I guessed women wore them because they wore skirts and dresses. Trousers were not really an option then and they just had to keep warm. Keep up the good work, Nikki. Well that would be right but the big granny pants, you can still get them Shepard's Bush Market. I've got old stores absolutely full of me. I don't know how I know that. But surely someone's told you. Somebody must have told me that. Yes. Yes they must. I think we should, that could

be our next merchandising. What? Huge knickers? Jane and Fee's huge pants. What do you think Eve? Eve stood up. Yeah I think that probably means we've got to finish. That can only mean one thing. She needs a wee. Do we need to stop talking? Okay, can I just do one tiny little one here just because I don't know what's gone on this week which is quite a lovely position to be in. It's from Leo in Los Angeles. Oh yes. I don't know anyone in the publishing or recording industries, not everyone in LA works in entertainment, some of us do the other things that society needs. But don't you work work in the media I'm sure you bump into commissioning editors at swish media media cocktail events I have every confidence in your abilities good

luck what's the challenge what you need luck for what have you been saying that was Jane Marker and I were thinking of setting up a detective agency okay yeah but we decided that we probably cause more kerfuffle than we would actually Jane, Mark, Arrins and I were thinking of setting up a detective agency. Okay. Yeah. But we decided that we'd probably cause more kerfuffle than we would actually solve crimes, if you see what I mean. So we would leave a trail of destruction as we tried to investigate matters. Right.

Gosh, I'm deeply upset because that kicks into touch. Call for backup, which was going to be our cop duo, where we didn't do anything at all and just constantly ask somebody braver than us to come along and solve it. I'm wounded Jane, absolutely wounded. I still think that's a good idea. No, it's no good. Very briefly, another Jane just said because we've been talking about meat, we talked about meat in this podcast. As a teenager in southern Scotland my evening job is in the butchers department of a well-known supermarket and that's all we're going to say about this supermarket.

On arrival, my first job was to gather in the out-of-date meat, repack it with fresh meat on top Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the next couple of days it was then made into sausages. Okay. I'm not sure you'd get away with this now, you wouldn't, but I'm sure it was common practice then and as a 15 year old I mostly did as I was told. Suffice to say I've seldom eaten a sausage since. Let that be a warning. Maybe that is beef finishing. Who knows? I like beef sausage, I don't want to be pedantic, but you're right. Yeah. If you'd like to be in touch about anything that we've been wishing on about with Jane and Fee at times dot radio. That's right isn't it? Yes it is. And we're just going to a light from the Winnebago of love and I need some

lunch. Yes I definitely need some lunch and also some fresh air. I don't know what the air freshener is in here but it's quite pungent isn't it? I actually really like the smell. Oh you're kidding. Absolutely kidding. Well like I said it's the open road. It's not the open road, it's something like freezers and yee-lang yee-lang. That's what it is. It's not Route 66. Please everybody can you? Well done for getting to the end of another episode of Off Air with Jane Garvey and Fee Glover. Our Times Radio producer is Rosie Cutler and the podcast executive producer is Henry Tribe. And don't forget, there is even more of us every afternoon on Times Radio.

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