Off Air... with Jane and Fi - Not even the weighted blanket could withstand his nocturnal stirrings... (with Scott Bryan)

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

Do you have a second home? Get in touch and invite us – we're not fussy! Jane and Fi also cover the ’nduja takeover, ageing rockstars, romantic NDAs, Boom-lung, jellyfish brains (or lack thereof), and turbo erections... enjoy! Plus, TV critic and broadcaster Scott Bryan discusses his book ‘Out Now: A Queer Journey Through Modern Television’. You can buy tickets to the Cheltenham Literature Festival here: www.cheltenhamfestivals.org/events/jane-garvey-and-fi-glover-with-anneka-rice You can check out our YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@OffAirWithJaneAndFiOur most asked about book is called 'The Later Years' by Peter Thornton.If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] us on Instagram! @janeandfiPodcast Producers: Eve SalusburyExecutive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

You mentioned Andoja a little earlier on. Undoja. I always think it sounds either like a DJ at a very, very fashionable club in Ibiza. Yes. Or what? Or I don't know. It doesn't sound like it should be a sausagey, spicy paste. It's now routinely offered.

I noticed it advertised as being one of the ingredients of a pasta sauce yesterday evening when I was perusing the aisles. It's everywhere. It is everywhere, but where has it been? I don't know. It's all quite recent in this country, isn't it? Well, it is. And what's it taking the place of? Because there are always big trends, aren't there?

The other thing I think it always sounds like is just a place somewhere out, you know, to the northwest of Barcelona. I'm just like, I've been to Andoja. It's in the hills. Oh, you won't know it. My friend's got a bit like that. Oh, she's a very good old friend. I've got no friends at all with Villas. What has happened in my?

I know you've got thousands. Haven't got thousands. But I don't deny that I've got some. You've got four of your holidays. It's based on people's second homes. It shouldn't be your opening question when you want to make friends with people. I think you should put it at number three.

Did you? Yes. And I've kept in with them. That's the other thing. What are the top two questions? Well, first of all, how are you? No, who are you? Who am I?

Have you got a second home? I think on the second I might be able to have access to. Oh dear, people think we're joking. No, I'm not joking. I think, honestly, life's too short kids. I'm here to tell you that. Not for everybody, of course. Some people's lives got on a very long time.

Do you want to want to be a good guest. And if I can be honest, Jane, I don't feel particularly comfortable staying in other people's houses for weeks at a time. Oh, do you? No, I don't. I'm fine with it. I like my kind of sense of,

space and actually just being able to get up in the morning and do relatively what I want to do on holiday. I hear you. What's that saying about house guests? They're like fish. They go off after three days. I think that doesn't sound unreasonable. But you tend to stay for a week. If that's what the invitation says, then yes. For example, the week after next, I'll be staying. But for five nights, I think that's slightly different to a week. Yeah. It's much shorter. I think Andoja has taken the place of serracha because there was a massive kind of whirl of enthusiasm

for saratia in this country obviously not in the country that it comes from where does it come from? I don't know I mean I don't get Horissa either if I'm honest and then there's Rose Horissa the perky younger sister of Horissa Yeah I never understood of Rose Horissa Those are just too... You wouldn't be able to taste the rose in a pot of Horissa I don't think you can. Can anybody? No, it certainly passed me by.

But that's, you know, that's what 20 Morbara lights a day for my entire 20s. Can it affect your thinking and your taste buds? Do you think it affects your thinking? Definitely affects your taste buds. Does it? Oh, God, I think so. Yeah.

Tell you what, still having a lingering impact on my taste buds, that flipping virus. You think, you had, well, no, you did have COVID, didn't you? I didn't, I didn't, I haven't mentioned it so far by I had COVID last week. And I'm saying that only because thoughts and prayers, to people more vulnerable than myself who might get COVID. It's no bloody joke for you. You've had it a lot, haven't you? I seem to get it whenever it comes around.

Yeah, no, sorry, well, you haven't had this situation from me so far. No. No, you haven't. I'm not infectious anymore. Jane, even with the vaccinations, I just still end up getting it since I get the mild version of it. But it is a bit weird. It is me and Evan Davis. We just seem to get it all the time. And obviously, I only know that because, you know, he tells people on her

when he's tested positive or something. And fair enough, I mean, yeah, I've just mentioned it. Yes, yes. Sorry, I don't want to knock him. No, but just to say to people who think, oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you get COVID. No, by and large, it doesn't matter. But I'm a relatively healthy individual.

And I've just been, it's just such an annoying thing to get. It does make you feel quite rotten, actually. I mean, I'm loads better now. And I am, I should say, no longer testing. I'm such a panic merchant that I do have tests in the house. Partly because I obviously couldn't visit my dad when I was in the early throes of this version of COVID. which I had actually all over the bank holiday weekend. I was sitting there with my arms folded, face like a slap backside,

unable to taste anything, unable really to go anywhere. But, God, I was miserable. I'm not trying to gaslight your experience at all. Haven't we come a long way? Where actually you had a bout of COVID and it passed over a weekend. Oh no, I was fine by Tuesday when we came back. I think I probably was glad I had that extra day to knock it on the head a bit. But I still can't really taste anything.

And it makes you suddenly aware of how much taste matters to you. Oh, my word. So do you know what? It's a fascinating topic that, because I think it's the most underestimated of senses. Yeah, a huge thing. When you talk about losing it, but people who have lost it,

and lots of people who had COVID, they lost their sense of taste and it's never come back. It sounds so mentally challenging because all you're choosing your food based on is the texture of it and the nutrient value of it, but that's not enough when you're eating, is it? No. It's just, it isn't enough.

It absolutely isn't, and it's infuriating me, and I'm very angry about it, or I need to grow a pear and just move on. Well, I think you should go for the Andoja, because it's quite a fiery thing. Okay, well, I don't know. I don't seem to be, I don't even want anything, and you know me, although I do have the appetite of a bird,

I do eat regularly. Yes, you do. You actually eat quite a lot. I mean, you've got a, you've got it, normally. from a well-known high street food entertainer that comes in every day, which is about I've got bath mats. I know. Oh, you're talking about the good old days when I could taste things like that.

I want to bring in Gemma. Oh, for God's so, please bring in Gemma. Yes, Gemma's here. To talk about Alopecia, so many emails about this, but she just draws our attention to the winner of this year's Rose of Treli Festival. It's still a really, really big event in Ireland. I mean, I'm sure there are all sorts of views on it. It's effectively, it's a beauty contest, isn't it?

But I think it's a little bit more than that. Well, you tell me, because you've got far better knowledge of Irish culture than I have. Because whenever I've seen it, and I've only obviously ever read about it in books or seen it depicted on television, and I can't really work out whether it's still a Miss World, Miss Universe thing. It seems to be taken more seriously and be less demeanour. I think it's much less demeaning. I don't think, again, neither of us have seen it recently.

I'm assuming there wouldn't be a swimsuit round or anything like that. I very much doubt it. And I think I gather there's quite an emphasis on community work. Anyway, I'm talking out my hat here because I don't know what I'm on about. It's so unusual. But Gemma says a rose is selected to represent the festival at the end of it all. And while it is a nod to beauty festivals of the past, the selection is based on personal attributes.

Right, thank you for that, Gemma. And this year's winner has Alopecia. In her on-stage interview, she demonstrated putting on various wigs. She had a huge television audience for it, and it's done so much to increase awareness of the condition. Well, fantastic, and congratulations to the winner. She is 25. She's from West Meath, and she is Keelin Nikilig. So, well done to her, because that's actually brilliant to use that platform to talk about alopecia and to discuss wigs.

Good for her, and congratulations to her, and Gemma, thank you. Now, can I just say hello to Rachel, who's the one with the Ab fan laughter, because she's having the same problem. She says, I'm having the same issue with Peter Granger books. I was initially doing alternate with other books, but now I'm all in, I'm smashing through them. I agree with me. The characters are so well written.

I can picture them so clearly. Now, Rachel has brought tickets to the Cheltenham Literature Festival, and she's looking forward to coming to see us all, and this is us interviewing on stage. The one and only. Annika Rice. I tell you what. She's got an autobiography out. It's called Challenge.

Is it? Yes, it is. Challenge? That's very good. With an exclamation mark. I don't think it does. It's got a picture on the front cover of her in one of her fabulous jumpsuits with a helicopter in the background. Of course. I think it might actually either be today or yesterday where tickets weren't officially live.

Oh, my word. This is exciting, Eve. Okay, Eve was there in the background. She didn't put a microphone up. We think she's a little bit under the weather today. She's going through private times. I'm just letting you guys do your phone. thing. She's lazy. You've had enough of the limelight.

Oh yeah. It's hard work, isn't it? We hate it. So you're last thing we want to attention. Book your tickets, because it's always really lovely to see you at Cheltenham. It's such a fantastic festival. You know, we're always sandwiched in between people who are far, far more interesting. But we make it work, and it would be lovely to see you. So get yourself a ticket, come along. And if you're having a low moment, just try and find the photograph from last year's Cheltenham, Festival of Penny Lancaster with us, which just still one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

It is good. My children said, you just look like hobbits. Hobbits in the presence of greatness. Yeah, where's the respect? I hope Rod's all right. He's had a bit of a tough time, isn't he? Well, he has, Jane. I find it painful to talk about it.

No, I think he's on the end, I hope so. Yeah, I think it's, well, obviously, it's inevitable that all of these old rockers will... Well, it is. You say, yeah, of course it is. But, you know, we do forget, don't we, just how old they are. And I don't mean that in any way, because we're not getting any younger, any of us. But they keep on going. And then there does come a time, as you say, quite naturally, when things just start to need a little bit of attention. I mean, Mick Jagger, he seems completely indestructible. Oh, my word. So imagine if there's news this weekend. Oh, no, no. Mystic God. I don't say that. Yeah. Hugh do you regret not having seen before they died?

Oh. Gosh. Well, I suppose... Who do I regret? I mean, obviously, well, he's not dead yet. But Sir Paul McCartney, it will be a shame when he passes away. Have you seen him, like? No, no.

No, never. No, do you remember there was an outing here to see him at the O2 when I didn't get a ticket? Oh, yeah, I vaguely remember that. Eve did get to go. Eve, come on. So, let's bring it in the person who has seen Paul McCartney live. How was that night?

He was amazing. I think... Really scouse. Weren't you all in a box and it was quite... It was quite entertaining in inverted commas? Yes, we had a box, we had an open bar, free-flowing drinks. Sounds awful. It was a thank you to production.

Oh, was it? But not to presenters. No, I see. Oh, right. Well, you should definitely get tickets then. I thought we'd have personally invited you. you. Whenever he's performing, Jane, because he will regret that one.

Oh, I already semi-do. Yes. I mean, I don't know. Was his voice any good? I mean, I'm not, look, the man's a genius, but I think perhaps the voice has taken a bit of a knocking. Yes, I mean, it wasn't the crispest, sharpest it's ever been. No. But the production was really amazing.

Put on a good show. Which big hits, did he do? Oh, my goodness. Don't start singing Beatles songs with your voice. Seriously, Ian Dale will melt. Oh, no. We had to put up with about five minutes of Ian Dale. telling us how fabulous you were when he came in on the podcast. Yeah, we were just like, yeah, we know.

Thanks, Ian. Shush now. She's left for the day, Ian. I don't know where she's gone. What's his Christmas song? What's his Christmas song? Paul McCorn. It's not Ian Dales. Oh, I was going to say.

Simply having a wonderful Christmas time. Because we went to see him in December and he bought out a full children's orchestra for that. That was quite a nice moment. It's so unfair that I didn't get to go on that. Anyway, I'm glad the production team had a good night out. I've never been in one of the first. those boxes with a free bar of you? Yes. Oh. I went to see Neil Diamond. Did you? Not a good night.

Yeah, at the O2 in a box. It was just fantastic. I bet that was great. Really, really fantastic. And Neil Diamond, I think, so I remember very clearly that some friends of mine really laughed at me for going to see Neil Diamond. Why? Well, my point, exactly. But, I mean, this was quite a long time ago. I mean, really was quite a long time ago, maybe 15 years, maybe even more. more than that. And I think sometimes it's only for our generation in an artist's true third age

that they get the respect that other bands have been given automatically. So I don't think an awful lot of people you know 20 years ago actually would have bought tickets to go and see Dolly Parton in the way that people have grieved Dolly Parton now would suggest

that they would have done. But they wouldn't have done and I think it's exactly the same for Neil Diamond. I think some of his music will stand the test of time forever. I think he's just that brilliant. But I was definitely mocked as a slightly kind of M-O-R choice of thing. But that probably says something about my friends.

Yes. Didn't Ian Dale take you to see someone in the box? You went to see Cliff Richard? That wasn't in a box. I had to sit with Dame Sheila Furgherty in the main stalls. My apology. Do you know what?

That's another thing we didn't ask Ian about his absolute love of Cliff Richard. There's still time. I'll get him back on. Can I just say that I had tickets to go and see one of Billy Joel's last concerts at Madison Square Garden. Oh, I absolutely, absolutely love him. And I couldn't go because it clash with a work thing here. So I didn't go. We were going to go. It was obviously a big trip, because we'd have to fly over the pond in order to go into it. And I remember thinking it'll be okay because, so I gave the tickets to a friend of mine who lives in America. And they had a really, really wonderful time. And I thought, it would be okay because he was meant to be coming over here and doing some concerts here, but I'm not sure he'll ever play live again, because he's got some things going on health-wise.

And I do think about whenever, obviously, whenever a Billy Joel track comes on my playlist, which quite often, I do think, oh my goodness, I've thought about that concert so much, it's almost as if I did go. So actually, you got your money's worth? No, I didn't at all. And I think because he had a really special connection. He used to do gigs there all the time, like it was just, just, you know, him popping down to his local pub

and, you know, belting out all the hits, I think it would have been glorious. Is Madison Square Garden a particularly big venue? Or is it just iconic because... It's not very big, Jane, and it's really weird because it is in the... You know, it is in Manhattan, it is in New York City. It's not what you expect it to be.

I think, you know, most of our huge venues for music and sport, they are slightly outside a city, aren't they? I can't think... I mean, the Ode, too, actually, is probably the nearest to the centre of a great metropolis that we'll get in this country. Although I don't know, does Liverpool have a... It's the Echo Arena.

And where is the Echo Arena? Albert Doc. Okay, so yeah, no, that would probably be the equivalent. It's not a huge, though. I mean, it's big, but not huge. So, no, Madison Square Garden isn't massive, massive, massive. It's not Wembley size or anything like that. I do think it was a strange venue for a wedding,

but Taylor Swift and... What's his name? Well, he's always referred to as the Kansas rear end, isn't he? It's just bizarre. People have caught me worse. Nothing's come out about that wedding. I was just about to say that. Really good job on that, didn't they?

So how have they done that? Just massive NDAs. Yes, it's supposed it must be that, a romantic. Lovely. The loyalty of an awful lot of people, and good for them, good for them. And I would imagine probably quite a decent. Maybe goody bag? Oh my gosh, can you imagine?

Wow. Certainly beats those, what was it, people used to give out, almonds. We used to get a little bag of sugar in almonds. Was that all about? I think they're meant to be good luck, aren't they? Didn't work out that way? I'm sorry we fend it on a slightly bitterly like the almonds. Now, we're not going to identify this correspondent,

but in response to our query yesterday about San, sisters and wanting to know a little bit more about the life of matrons. We have this anonymous correspondent who says I was in exactly that type of job myself. I used to watch cricket in the summer. I did lots of hay fever dehydration, sunburn. Boys don't like sunblock much or remember to drink. The odd burn from boys ironing trousers with them still on. Oh no. Is that honestly a thing? Period pains, broken wrists, numerous sprained ankles, head injuries, lots of ice packs, neurotic housemasters thinking they had angina or double pneumonia. And I used to see 20 or 30 children a day.

The winters could be madly busy, flu stomach bugs, occasional appendicitis. And this is really sad, actually, not a parent to be found. Tending to miserables, convincing them that they weren't dying, which was sad because not all children like boarding. And by the way, I don't think that our correspondent is being patronising saying miserable. I think obviously it's recognising the fact that some kids have a really, really tough time at boarding school. Occasional injuries from horseplay. I love the variety. I had a great time.

But after several years, I needed a change. And I bet you're in such a loco parentis position, aren't you, as a matron in a boarding school? Because in those times of need, you've got to give something more. than just nursing assistants, haven't you? Oh, gosh, I can imagine. Away from home. There's also something, although I like September a lot, there is a melancholy about September

because there are new beginnings, goodbyes, difficult times for quite a few people at this time of year, aren't there? That sense of packing your bags, trying your luck somewhere else, doing something different, going somewhere else, I don't know. I think it conjures up quite a lot of emotions for a lot of people.

I'm sure it does. I could never have gone to boarding school, myself would never have sent my kids to boarding school. I know some people have a terrific time, but I think if you don't, you can't go back and do your childhood again. I found it weird. And being a day girl in a boarding school

was quite an odd thing because you were neither one thing nor the other, but I was always so glad I was a day girl. Oh, I can't think of anything worse than putting my head down on some very thin pillow in a dorm. No, but it was weird because lots of girls were just having a great time. They were really enjoying it.

Maybe in your late teens. Yeah. No, I don't think it's... Nine. Damaging for everybody. No, no. I don't know. Anyway, that's cheered everybody up.

I mean, it's a difficult one, Jane. If you're working in the forces, if you're being sent abroad... Oh, I think there's a much of reasons. Loads and loads of reasons. If you're a single parent and you're working, I mean, there are a thousand reasons for parents sending their kids to boarding schools,

But for me anyway, I wouldn't be able to be able to do it. But just to make clear that although I would have been very resistant to going to boarding school as a child, I don't get homesick now if I go and stay at people's second homes. So please don't worry about it. Feel free to invite me. Maybe if you've gone to boarding school, it would be a more triggering experience for you. Yes, quite possibly. But I manage.

This is a listener who has seen some giant jellyfish. Now, last week I was been moaning because it's had such a strange summer because it's been so hot. We've only had one sighting of a large cat that was somewhere in Northamptonshire and it kind of came and went and didn't really create that many headlines.

And I was only saying last week that it's been really a complete dearth of giant jellyfish. But in coming. In coming, here we have it. I thought I'd tell you about my recent encounter with an absolutely beautiful but scarily

gigantic jellyfish. My husband and I are very lucky to be retired and living in the New Forest. Now, I don't know the New Forest, do you? I do. And have you heard of this beach? It's spelled L-E-P-E. No. So I don't know how to say it.

Leap-Leppy? Let's go with both. Sounds beautiful, doesn't it, says our correspondent, but we do have an ESO refinery, which can be noisy, but does bring down the quite extortionate New Forest House prices. Always an upside. There we are. There's one of our listeners with a glasses, half-full approach to life. Anyway, we do love to swim in the sea at the beach as often as we can,

mainly just a bob in the water to cool down, followed by a coffee and a quassal, and an hour or so with our kindles. Doesn't retirement in the new forest sound absolutely brilliant? Absolutely lovely. I mean, presumably there's a distant hum coming from the SO refinery, but you're probably your hearing isn't as good as it used to be, so you probably aren't that aware of it. We've worked hard and we deserve it, says our correspondent.

Well, quite right too. The water has warmed up a lot this summer, and we often see fish, and occasionally the resident seal pops his head up. However, a couple of weeks ago, I was just about to walk into the water when I spotted the most enormous and beautiful jellyfish floating near the edge of the water. Now, it was the size of a large dinner plate, white in colour, with red squiggles and red tentacles flaring out behind it.

There was no way I was going in with that in the water. I googled it and found it was a compass jellyfish, which can give quite an unpleasant sting. A bit more research revealed to me that jellyfish don't in fact have a brain, but are just beings. So I felt reassured that it wouldn't come after me. Is that the case that in order to be predatory,

you need a brain, I suppose. Would that be right? Could you Google, do jellyfish have brains? I watched it drift away on the tide And when it was out of sight I persuaded my husband To stand on a rock to keep guard While I tentatively ventured in

For a very quick cool-off dip Big brave husband He used to be a fearless fireman He wouldn't go in We haven't seen any more jellyfish So we have become braver again And we are going back to our regular swims A couple of years ago

We found a, or somebody found a dead shark on the beach bizarrely someone had chopped its head off But that's another story I'd like to hear it. Yes, it says Anonymous. Thank you, Anonymous for that. They don't have brains. Right.

They survive and move using a decentralised system and nerve net and sensory structures. So they're like the driverless cars of the ocean? Brainless. Brainless, but so it wouldn't come after you because they don't know you're there. They don't care. Right.

They are extraordinary, aren't they? They are otherworldly. I've only ever seen a few, but I don't. they make me feel a bit uneasy. Yeah, but it's the insides-out thing, isn't it? You can just stare at them for hours, just working out where their little bits are going. Yeah.

Yeah, well, they're big bits. David Sazbra, eat your heartache. On the Leppy Leppie Beach. Now, weighted blankets, loads of people are fans of the weighted blanket. Alison is in Burke Amstead, Berkhamsted, Burke Hampstead, Burkehamstead. And she agrees with the description of the weighted blanket being like chain mail.

I ordered one for my daughter for Christmas a few years. years ago to help her sleep. My menopausal brain instantly forgot about it. And this large and extremely heavy parcel arrived a few days later. I couldn't for the life of me think what it was. Sadly, it has been relegated to the unwanted blanket cushioned bedding store, which is slowly accumulating in the spare room. I've no idea what its destiny is. And now, thanks to Jane's pertinent question, I've been reminded of the worry of how to recycle it. It will cost a small fortune to post if I sell it. So in fact, that's not in favour of the waiter blanket. But this one is, this is, this is I couldn't be without my weighted blanket. It's thick and of course it's heavy, but it's not

hot under it, or cold. It's bizarre. I don't really know why. For me, it is like being hugged and we all need a hug when we wake up in the middle of the night, so what's not to like? The one that you're getting rid of, if you can't wash it, you could donate it to a local support group for S-E-N kids or ask your local school. Neurodivergent people find them very calming and we did have another one which I'm just going to find but they're not hot this is my question wouldn't they be incredibly hot well do you know what I've never slept underneath one so I bought one for one of the kids who absolutely loved it didn't seem to find any difficulty with it being too hot or too cold but I guess if it is tiny balls of metal maybe it's aerated enough for it not to be hot

I'm right at the boundary of my knowledge on weighted blankets very very soon in the conversation But I just wanted to get to the one because there was a really good one from a parent of, yes, here we go. My son has a weighted blanket as he also struggles to settle to sleep. We've recently tried compression sheets. They are a long tube of sheet, which you slide onto the mattress tightly. It provides sensory feedback holding him tight and stops him rolling out of bed too. He struggles with pro preoception and has ADHD. that sheet has been a game changer for us, as well as deep tissue massages.

It's the only way he can settle, be still and get calm enough to go to sleep. And our anonymous correspondent says a word of caution regarding the weighted blankets, though, it is important to follow safety guidelines regarding the weight and age suitability. Good point. Yeah, very good point. I suppose there's some... I wonder whether some people struggle with the amount of space they find they have in bed, because as babies, you're encouraged to swaddle a baby, aren't you,

and keep it obviously not so tight that they can't. But actually, they like to be very, very firmly placed, don't they? They do. In cloths and blankets and things. Obviously not too many. But you know what I mean. I always found that quite difficult to get right, the swaddling. And also knowing when to stop swaddling.

When to stop it, yeah. Because then there's a time when, in fact, babies really want to sleep, arms up above their head, legs akimbo, and I mean it's the most delightful... I'm here to tell them, you'll never get that back. That simple joy. When they're just... Absolutely.

Because they haven't got a care in the world. They're not worried about all the things I'm worried about. You have a great life, stop it. Stop it. I've got my power pack back. I'm glad about that because the prepping is not going to end. Let me tell you that. The youngest child took the power pack to a festival at the weekend.

She did come back. and said she was, that's it. I am, it was not great weather at the weekend. I am done with festivals until Glastonbury next year. I said, right, okay, that's a very firm promise. She's not going on. Anyway, the Power Pack survived and was apparently incredibly good. I'm sure it was.

So, do you know what, I think it's been a bit of a nightmare for festivals this year, hasn't it? Because it's either been so, so hot. And of course, for most festivals, they aren't in areas of shade. That's the whole point. So there have been these dust bowls. And, I mean, people have had proper lung infections afterwards, haven't they? God.

Yeah, boom lung. It's the thing. I heard there were a couple of girls on the tube this morning. God love them, talking about Boomtown. That's another festival. Has that just happened? So I think that was the weekend before the weekend before last. Okay, well, they were just debriefing on Boomtown.

A lot happened, let me tell you. Did he miss your stop? Yeah, we all heard about it. But it's either been that or last week. weekend it was just sitting in a tent for the whole weekend waiting for the torrential rain to pass over that but if you can't do it when you're 23 when can you do it that'll be fine yes absolutely just a quick one on sore nipples uh bridget's in suffolk uh just been listening to your episode which contained a woman writing in about problems with sore nipples from breastfeeding i think

i've got some helpful advice i breastfed my two daughters until nine months and a year the first couple of months of feeding my elder daughter were really painful with sore and crack nipples i cry every time she latched on. I tried every cream and oil and nothing worked. And then I was given the advice to not use anything on them at all, and I've never heard of this, but to dry them with a hair dryer after a shower or bath instead of using a towel. Amazingly, it worked and continued to work. It felt like a miracle. Hopefully my sharing of this will help some desperate moms. My daughters are now 21 and 23, and I do remember those long, difficult nights with a baby who just wouldn't sleep, wish we'd had podcasts and Netflix and other platforms then.

Yeah, actually we often think about that too. Yes, or just... Or just WhatsApp groups, you know, just to have somebody to talk to in the middle of the night, very much so. What a great suggestion I'd never heard of that either too. I don't know why it would work. Well, I suppose there's something about if you're drying yourself with a towel, you're just aggravating a very sensitive area of your body. Some of my more elderly towels can be exceptionally abrasive.

Oh, very much so. Scouring, and I would have thought. Yes, I felt your towels are terrible. It's a good point, you raise. We were talking about decluttering yesterday. I've got to do something about my towels. Chuck them out, love. I think I've got some from my ex-mother-in-law.

I think they were ex-Eugoslav Army products that she gave. Well, keep those, because those sound valuable. I think Fiona Bruce would like to see those on a future edition of Antiques Road Show. Oh, God. I'm sure you'll be able to, can't you cut them up and use them usefully around the house in a very Nancy Birk whistle? kind of way. For cloths.

Yes. Yes. I don't think I need 750 cloths. But yes. Well, I know you're a bit of a slatton. But maybe this is the ear you change.

This is incoming from Vicky, who says, following the lady talking about bikini waxes with alopecia yesterday, it reminded me that I've never been brave enough to be able to negotiate a discount for a pedicure. Bearing in mind, I only have one foot.

I've just not had one, as I'm too tight to pay the full price. If anybody has done a deal, to hear about it. Now this is our correspondent who told us about prosthetic legs on sun loungers and do you know what, Vicky, just go and just go and do that deal. I mean, you cannot possibly be charged the same price. No. You just can't. And I hate the thought that you haven't gone in because you're, you know, as you say that you're not brave enough. I mean, I bet you're one of the bravest people that we'd ever

meet, so do it, knowing that we're behind you, every step of the way. That's just, I can understand her reluctance, I think I can, and I'm certainly not putting myself in her place, but yeah, go for it. Just say, look, okay, this is the situation, I've got one foot, so what's the price for one? What must be half the price of two feet, surely? Yes, I would hope so. Yes, I'm no mathematician, but really, that's got to be the right way to do it. Yeah. Have you watched Vigil? I have

I was halfway through episode two last night and I was watching I realised I was watching it I just couldn't give anything else to do and I just thought no I don't literally no idea what's going on here have you any idea

well I did love the fact that at the beginning so this is series three of Saran Jones it feels longer it does doesn't it being a very canny although slightly unruly slightly unmanageable

A bit of a maverick. Yeah, DCI or whatever she is. And this time... A trouble comes her way unceasingly, doesn't it? It does. Yeah, she's no Juliette-Bravo. She really is. So this time it's in the Arctic.

Yes. And they do quite a good job at the beginning of making various characters explain why Svalbard is a complicated place to be. Because... Too complicated for me, as it's turned out. Because it's Norwegian. territory, but there is a Russian installation

that has been condoned and allowed to operate there. Because it's scientific studies supposedly. But after that very basic, and about three characters explained it, because obviously that's going to be key to the plot, still every single thing that happens, I'm having to go back to that in my head to work out against what background

these terrible decisions are being made. It made my head hurt a little bit. and so I did read one fantastic TV review of it that said, Vigil's back, we're watching it, it's boring. Carol Midgley wrote a very funny review of it. It was just a bit dull. It shouldn't be, because it's got a lot going on

in the high north. There's a lot of trouble. And a lot of people have already copped it, but it was strangely dull. Yeah, I wonder, I don't know, I simply, I can't make it out. I wish the very best to everybody involved, but I'm afraid I just don't understand it.

But maybe it's just because I'm trying to make sense of it and I simply can't follow the twists. Did you, by any chance, read, you know in the business section of the, here's on message, Mandy, making a brief return, the business section of the Sunday Times, they have an interview with a leading business person and it was the guy who's founded Revolut.

Revolut the bank. Did you read that? I didn't know. I'm just by no means as cerebral as you. No, no. I'd like to read sort of these personal little bits and bobs about business people. He was the most extraordinary young man. He led a very, very controlled life. He doesn't bother with never read fiction in his life. I never trust someone who doesn't

read fiction, Jane. But he reads nonfiction books, but he doesn't read them. He just gets the AI explanation of what's in them instead. Right. Sorry. I know. No, I didn't like the cut of his jib. He'd sounded like the most peculiar or steer wildly successful life. But gosh, not someone you could imagine having a bevy with even a chat. And actually it's a wider thing, isn't it? Because so many of these disruptors, they do come from that side of the brain experience where emotion and connection and the highs and lows of life are the things that they have

turned away from in favour of a more kind of spreadsheet way of living. And maybe that's all well and good if your life is very protected by money and you're not going to fail. But for most of us, it is more essential that we understand fellow human beings around us and what makes them tick and what makes us tick than I think it's dangerous to turn away from that. Well, I think it's just... And they make loads and loads of money, don't they? Because... making loads of money. Because they have taken human emotion out of their decisions, but that doesn't work for the rest of us. It just doesn't work for the rest of us. On a daily basis, your emotions are really important to how you get through the day. Well, he didn't, I mean, he worked seven days

a week. He didn't really seem to have. But who are we to argue with his success on one level? But it's a good point. Yeah, I was reading, there's another piece, and I'm coming on board as mini corporate Cathy here in the times with Brian Johnson's girlfriend. Oh yes, I saw that. Yeah. So he is the man who's hyper-optimalising his life chances. He is. So he has devoted his many, many millions through selling one of those tech companies to trying to get his biological age back to 18. I think he's now in his late 40s. So he's the one that the article says he straps a small jetpack onto his penis at night

so it can measure his nighttime erections. And once you've known that fact about a person, I'm sorry, there's no coming back, Brian. I don't want to meet you. I don't want to shake your hand. I'm not going there. That is the villa you're turned down. I tell you what, the weighted blanket's not for him.

Well, you don't know. Maybe the power of his nocturnal stirrings be such that not even the weighted blanket will be able to withstand the wall. Crushing, Brian, absolutely crushing. His girlfriend is also, they've been brought together. Oh, yes. She sounded lovely too. By their desire to become these strange kind of scientific experiments of human form.

So she's having all kinds of things. She wears some kind of investigative tampon every night. Yes, every night. Yes, so she can find out about the internal, nocturnal, goings on in her vagina. I just love. I mean, have an Oval team.

A jolly good book. Read a Peter Granger, struggle your way through an episode of Vitchell, listen to this podcast and you'll be absolutely fine. Sleep like a top. Just don't worry about it. I mean, we won't be alive to know, but wouldn't it be fascinating to find out

how things are going for them in 50 years' time? When they're 18. Yeah, when they're still. Absolutely 18. Yeah. Oh, dear me. You just, you cannot cheat yourself of the most universal experience, which I'm sorry to say is ageing and what that brings.

That does remind me. We've got Zand Van Tullochan on the programme next week talking about, well, about wellness and about all the, I mean, there's a chapter on the menopause, on testosterone. It's really interesting. I mean, he is really quite angry about the way so many, unscrupulous individuals, should we say,

and just quacks and charlatans are making absolute fortune out of telling people exactly what you say, the stuff that it will never be true. No. We are all going to die. We're all going to age.

Well, good for him. I really love his stuff. I like the way he conveys it. I like his devotion to it. And we just need so, so much myth-busting. Just going back onto Instagram, I've been off it for quite a long time now.

I'm now being inundated, with all of that stuff all over again. And I remember how annoyed it was making me feel before and it'll be the reason why I'd, you know, take my leave of it again. So they've come back to you with what? Oh, my God, belly fat. I'm just being targeted. You know, somewhere in the algorithm, I got stuck on, she's got belly fat.

So I'm just being sent these endless, you know, this is what you need to, how many steps you need to take, this is the diet that you need to do, solve your problems of world peace with cottage cheese. It's just such mumbo-jumbo, Jane. And quite a lot of it's now being delivered by these AI-generated characters who are very, very believable. There's one kind of old bloke who sits there in his shed with a leather apron

telling me what I can do with my menopausal belly fat. I don't think he's real. And it's just bullocks. What's the absolute bollocks? Why is he in a shed with an apron? Well, I see a Mason. No, I think somebody has done a kind of survey of who would be the most believable person. to be selling this mumbo-jumbo to people

and, you know, they've realised it's your friendly grandfather. You know, it's that kind of figure. Like a shoemaker in a fairy tale. Yeah, and there's just so much, you know, magnesium being rubbed on people's feet at night and all of that kind of stuff. And it does, it just makes me really, it makes me really annoyed.

What's the point? Don't annoy, Fee. Not a good idea. Anyway, look, I've got that off. my chest. Okay, thank you. You certainly have. Scott Bryan writes in his new memoir, Out Now, there are many times when I've preferred television to life itself. Mostly, it comes down to closure. Now, although some TV thrives because it takes us to other worlds, much of its appeal to us is when it sends our own world back to us in a sharper, funnier, cleverer, or

simply tidier way. So if you were gay and growing up before the last 10 years, really, you didn't see much of yourself on TV at all. And when you did, it was considered far from normal. Just think about these things. The first pre-watershed lesbian kiss on Brookside headline news. The first gay characters in Biker Grove, Caps Lock Headline News, and a play called Two of Us, which appeared to be BBC Foundation Shaking Stuff. Scott charts his path through these tricky waters of TV to the present day and he's here now. Hello, Scott. Hi, thanks very much for that lovely introduction. Well, it's absolutely my pleasure.

I really enjoyed reading your book. I mean, apart from anything else, your teenage diaries just sounded hilarious. And you would have been forgiven if you had left those out. It was a joy uncovering them because I wrote every single day of my teenage years. I think my friends refer it as Gagian Mole because I just listed in a lot of detail, all of the crushes I had on boys, which is completely unprintable in case they find out now, as what is like life goals, one of which was have £200 at a bank account,

which, to be fair, I didn't achieve until my mid-20s. Yeah, and things like, didn't you want to do 200 metres breast rate without sinking? Yeah, still can't really do that that. Okay, okay. And also they do sound delightful because they're juxtaposed your innermost feelings with things like the Pope died today. Yeah, there's one part where I said that the Pope died. then the next sentence is that I am doing my GCSE revision for my coursework. Well done you. The Pope would have wanted that. So it's a very serious book though,

because it's about exactly as I said in the introduction, not seeing your own life and your own thoughts coming back at you when you watch TV. So tell us a little bit about who was in your household, who was watching TV. Where did your early life take place? So I grew up in Dorset, in a very loving family. It was only, I think, when I was an adult, I realized that my family was not like others and that both my parents are air traffic controllers. So one was always asleep because one was on day shift and then the other was on night shift. There was some rather hilarious moments in hindsight when they would be ringing to sort out a

dentist appointment and then they would ask for their name and then my dad would be like, Sierra Charlie Oscar tango tango just down the phone. And I bet they got everywhere on time though, didn't they? It was like military precision, always. And they never complained. I absolutely adored their work ethic and also raising three older sisters who are very close to just within the same household. It was like chaos, but organized chaos, which I admired. And then when I sort of came out, it was very strange because I found that there was very few

opportunities where queer people were talked about on TV. So I didn't know what people thought about queer people. So I came out first before the household in school as a kind of a way to try it out and see what the reaction would be, but then kind of retract it. So I did it in French class and then weirdly in French. I was sort of saying just reggae to a friend of mine. And she was like, remort, and I was like, we. And we had this sort of little fun little moment.

And then sensing it was going to be okay. that it wasn't a big thing. I then said, sure, fine. She told some friends very quickly the whole school knew. And then sadly, in my teenage years, I then experienced quite a lot of homophobia. I kind of used my household, my sort of home as a sanctuary, and particularly TV, I think, is a way to sort of find people who are like me, but also have that form of escapism. And I think when kind of school got a little bit tough, because I was growing up in the age of Section 28 when anything positive about gay people or anything that reflected my life was never in school and never celebrated. I think I was trying to use TV to find somebody that I could relate to.

But these roles and kind of opportunities were few and far between. You know, I think it's you really latch on to them when you see them. So how old are you now? What are we talking about your teenage TV era being? this is most easily identified as who you watched on Blue Peter. Yeah, so I had, so I'm 37 now. I sort of grew up in the sort of late naughties, early 2010s, and then the book sort of charts all of the sort of shows that I watched and where I was in my life then.

So like, for example, I became obsessed with Blue Peter and there's a presenter Stuart Miles, who I think was kind of like, I had an affinity, like he wasn't out at the time but I could sense that we shared a similar identity and then in the book I invited him to my 14 year old birthday party

he couldn't make it and then 20 years on we actually met up for a drink and we sort of spoke about kind of the connection we had even though he had not come out at that time I think also reality TV was huge for me growing up

like even though the early days of big brother and other reality shows had its problems, be made into the hero or the villain edit. I think this was the first time that queer people were celebrated for being themselves. And I think what I found growing up was a lot of times where the tabloids would be whipped up into a hysteria

about a moment of intimacy on TV. A same-sex kiss would be covered by the papers for days. The bit that'd be made into a quote-unquote debate about whether we should be talking about these, having these storylines on TV. But then you see reality TV and people winning these shows, like Will Young, like Brian Dowling, just for being themselves. Yeah.

And I realised that there was a split between what the public think and how they were written about. So let's talk about some of those big TV moments. I mean, I have to confess, I didn't realize that there had been such an uproar at the BBC about a play called Two of Us, which was 1987. 1987. It's so fascinating really because I wanted to start with what a show was like around the time that I was born. It was born in 1989. And in 1987 was when Section 28 was introduced by Margaret Fatcher's Conservative Government. And that banned any positive messages in school about homosexuality. Around that time, by sheer coincidence, the BBC was making this film about two boys who fall in love. And it was supposed to start a... conversation within the classroom. It was that part of the day when the TV would come out on wheels and there'd be a couple of exercises and you would talk about it in class.

As a result of the environment at the time and the toxicity, the film was pulled. Roger Tong and Leslie Stewart, Rogers, the director, Leslie is the writer. They were told that they would have to make the film sort of more with an ambiguous ending, plus also a kiss between the two boys, removed. The show is so tame. It's very much like heart stopper. You know, same school, but two boys exploring their feelings. What then happens, and I found this from speaking to Roger,

in 1990, it was repeated. It did air in 1988, but it was shown at 11.30 at night for various reasons, which I just find quite funny because it's a kid show. But then it aired in 1990, when it was, originally as supposed to be airing in 1990. There wasn't supposed to be the kiss. But Roger told me that thanks to what he affectionately calls a quote-unquote gay mole at the BBC, they snuck for tape out of the BBC's film library. That's such a tabloid term.

Gay mole at the BBC. It was in a cage, this tape. They took the tape out. They put the kiss back in. And then that kiss was broadcast on BBC too. Executives didn't know. the reaction they had was all positive. And for me, it was so meaningful because at a time of such homophobia,

this was a kiss that was inserted. One of the first sort of same-sex kisses on TV was a sort of thing of defiance and protest. Yeah. Those other big things that made tabloid headlines, the first pre-watershed lesbian kiss on Brookside, I remember that being an absolutely massive thing. There's quite an age difference between you and me. So I think that must have been before your time lying on the carpet in your house in Dorset, watching other people's lives on TV.

But you're so right to make the point in the book that something like that was surrounded by this huge political and moral debate, wasn't it, where there were people who just said, no, that's completely and utterly wrong. And it wasn't just Mary White House. It was a lot of people. Yeah. And people saying that's completely and utterly right. this is what we condemn other countries for now, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, I sort of think that it's fascinating about the bravery of some people who know the power that TV has in our lives. I think I see it because I get correspondence from people who say how much a moment from their early years makes an impact on them now.

And I sort of wrote this book because I feel passionate that some of these moments that I saw when I was 10, 11, 12 have made a big controversy. to who I am as an adult, but also the bravery of some of the people who were part of these moments. I spoke to one kid who was on Biker Grove, he was 14, he was straight, but he was asked to be involved in this sort of same-sex storyline. He told me, and it was so gut-wrenching that he was homophobically attacked by one individual whilst working in a bar, which, of course, kind of hurts my head thinking about because, you know, he is a straight man, but because, because, you know, because he was playing a gay role. But he was determined because he knew the power that his role was having. And he said that he received correspondence

from people who said that they were contemplating taking their own lives. But then they had seen his character and role and realized that actually there was a reason to tune in through the following week's episode. And it made me, because there's a debating current TV about whether queer people should play queer roles on TV. And I believe in authenticity.

I absolutely do. but from writing this it made me really think about allyship and people who have taken brave steps in a very different environment to where we are now as a matter of solidarity because they realise how important it is to play that role and we should thank those people. Yeah. You say that there are moments of TV

that stop you in your tracks and stay with you forever. The news when Queen Elizabeth died, the Brexit result and yours was when Andrew Van Camp made out with a guy in a swimming pool in a 2005 episode of day. Desperate Housewives, tell us more. It was a seminal moment. I think I can still remember the camera angles.

I was able to write about that entire episode without even watching Desperate Housewives. I think, as in now in terms of reviewing it, again, I think it made me realize as how much I had been using TV as a way to try to work out other men. Because I was the only person who was out at my school, I think I was using TV as a bit of hope.

And this was a guy who I had a crush on in the show, who was navigating his own life. And I think I could have used him as a kind of bit of hope for myself that there would be somebody else just like him. I think kind of for right or for wrong, I started to therefore think that a lot of straight guys around me were also having that same situation. I use TV again and again, I think, in trying to work out human behaviour and relationships. And then whilst I was writing this book, I found out that I was autistic. And I think I was using TV as a way of working out how human beings communicate. Because storylines have, I think, a beginning, a middle. They could have a messy end.

They might be risen poorly. But there's a logic to them. You can kind of work out at every point to people's motivations. And I think throughout my adult life, I realize that actually human life is a bit more complex than that, you don't always get closure. And I think as I was going through my adult life, I was using TV more and more as a way to try to understand human behavior. And it was only sort of post-diagnosis when I was in my early 30s that I started to realize, oh, hang on, that's why there's been this divide, because TV has been a comfort for me in a weird way in terms of trying

to work out kind of how the rest of humans' life exists versus life itself. In the 1970s and 80s, homosexuality on television was usually camp. So there were very, very well-known camp people. You'd have Kenneth Williams, you'd have Larry Grayson, you'd have are you being served? It was that level of slightly kind of, oh, fa-na-fana-a-h-h-na humour. And I wonder what you make of that. I mean, I suppose if you were being generous,

you'd say it was a kind of entry-level place, but also it's a it's a caricature. I think it's so complex and it's something that I'm still trying to unpack now because in a way these were people who really did pave the way for others. And I also think that a loss of it, a certain extent of it, is down to sort of mainstream heterosexual appeal. Like this is a person that we accept into our household, like because of their campness.

And I think these people were viewed by millions of people and loved by millions of people. And that stretched before. I think there's something which has happened time and time again with any form of queer representation. And I call it like the curse of being first. Because when there's a groundbreaking person or character or a TV show, it is also lumbered with all the responsibility of everything that has not been shown on TV before, that it is trying to represent. And then later on, you then have so...

many more other people who might provide a more kind of wide variety of different reflections of people's lives but you needed one person to break through and that that person sort of break free so in a weird way I'm thankful because these people pave the way for others

and of course there's been some phenomenal entertainers who certainly do and I write about them like Paula Grady like just the fact of how Paula Grady Lily Savage on TV in the 90s through all forms of mainstream entertainment shows on ITV, on kid shows. On this morning drinking wine, what a joy, and I think gave me a bit of hope watching in the countryside.

Sometimes the humour goes too far. You talk about Matt Lucas's regrets over the only gay and the village sketch in Little Britain. Yeah, I mean, I think Little Britain is a show which I have real a lot of, I can't help feel for the younger version of me who was watching that show because that was at the time when homophobia at my school was at its peak. And now I think that this was a show that, as well as punched up, I think also unintentionally, no, punched down. I don't think they were writing this show as a way to make a young kid in the countryside feel bad.

But that's what it did because I think some of the caricatures and some of the roles that they played, I think kind of gave the bullies at school, you know, who around my age a bit of ammunition because they see that person on TV, they see that person reflected with a punchline in that case, you know, I'm the only gay in the village. And I was the only gay in the village. So you can see how that gets thrown back. Now, I know that they didn't intentionally write that with that intention.

But it's interesting that Matt Lucas says that he just would never, you know, he's embarrassed about it now. Yeah. He would never write the character again. And I completely accept that. You know, I also know that we've changed a great deal in two decades. And like, as with everything, there were now things on TV that 20 years ago we wouldn't have. And I think in 20 years' time, we'll look back and think, oh, about this and that. I'm sure we will.

I think it's always a lesson. But for me, it shows that sometimes the power of TV can be affirming, but I can occasionally make things worse. Can we talk about Eurovision? Oh. A journalist told you that they'd reported from. war zones throughout their long career, but they said they didn't find it as intense as reporting for within the Eurovision Media Centre. What fresh hell is that? That was what it was in Liverpool in 2023. So it was a delight to be there because, of course, we were hosting on behalf of Ukraine.

And it was a time where the city really got behind it in a really big way. And it had fan media, who are fans who also report on the contest and are able to be in the same room as as established, journalists. And as you can imagine, an environment where there's semi-finals, grand finals, the booming voice of Hannah Waddingham every 10 minutes from the stage speaking in French, can become a bit much. And this was when I started to realise that I might be neurodivergent because I start to experience sensory overload, which is when... Scott, I'm not surprised. Just reading that chapter just made me feel so uncomfortable in my own skin. Yeah, I think by about the Wednesday, I was sort of wondering why, why does everything

feel like it's on fire? Why do I feel like I'm like a roast chicken spinning next to a flame and a fancy restaurant? And of course, I would have stepped back. And it made me realise that this, this has happened at festivals when the lights and a sound get too much or at social occasions. It takes me a long time to decompress. But I had been doing it without realizing. It was only at Eurovision when I was there on sort of the sixth day and I was seeing Lurine, who was the winner sort of coming out of this giant Padini press on stage. Of course. That I realised maybe what I was experiencing wasn't the same as everyone else. And then God bless him, my best mate, Jamie, when I mentioned this, without thinking that it could be

related to autism, sort of said to me, Scott, haven't you thought that you might be autistic? But then the penny dropped. Because then I realised why I love TV. It's my special subject. Well, it's a delightful book to read. And I did start the top of the air at three o'clock, just reminding our listeners about Touch the Truck, the Channel 5 show from 2001, where Dale Winton gave away a truck to the person who touched it for the longest period of time.

Let's never forget that show, Scott. It's absolutely lovely to see you here. Thank you very much for having me in. Thank you. Scott Bryan, and Out Now is... Out now! Brilliant. Brilliant.

He hit on something there, didn't he? He really did. Well, good luck if you're going to attempt another episode of Vigil. Will there be another one this weekend? I think that's one on some of this. I'll probably be, I mean, just because I'm a creature of habit, I probably will just stick it on.

Yeah, I probably will as well. But in case you do stick it on and you just think I cannot wade my way through this, can I recommend a film that we watched Family Movie Night last night? We always struggled to find something. And we did try a Robert De Niro thriller, I think, called The Whisper Man, which was so terrifying within the first 10 minutes. There was a child being held in a loft and a bloke walking upstairs with terrible kind of surgical gloves on.

I was just like, no, I'm not watching that. So we hit upon a suggestion from Amazon. You didn't have to rent it or buy it. It was all part of the package called This Is Where I Leave You. Did you ever see that movie? Who's in that? It was from 2014, Jason Bateman, Tina Faye, Adam Driver, Jane Fonda, Rose Byrne, Connie Britton and Catherine Hahn.

An exquisite cast. And it's about slightly non-practicing Jewish fans. who sits Shiva for the dad who's died. It's absolutely brilliant, Jane. The script is fantastic. It is really funny. It is deeply moving. Jane Fonda takes the Mickey within her character

out of her boob job in such a brilliant way. And I did think at what point did her call her and say, is it going to be okay? You're all right with this? You're about your boobs? But she does it with a plomb. I just couldn't recommend it highly enough.

We just enjoyed every minute of it. We were very, very sad when it ended. It completely passed me by. So give it some wellie. Okay. And the name of that film again? It is called This Is Where I Leave You. And that's where we'll leave it.

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