Off Air... with Jane and Fi - Relieving yourself in the Christmas lunch canteen queue (with Spencer Matthews)

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

The playlist is open and the cupboard door is closed and locked! Take a deep breath... In this episode, Fi is underwhelmed by a French B&B, she’s over-enthusiastic about putting your arms above your head, and she’s downright put off by the idea of climbing a mountain. Plus, TV personality Spencer Matthews chats to Times Radio’s Rosie Wright about completing an epic challenge: seven Ironman triathlons on seven continents in just 21 days. You can listen to our 'I've got the house to myself' playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2MkG0A4kkX74TJuVKUPAuJIf you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] us on Instagram! @janeandfiPodcast Producers: Eve SalusburyExecutive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Now, Eve is too modest to have printed out the emails that say Eve is fabulous. Stephen literally just emailed to say Eve is fabulous. And today, in the ever-revolving, we're like a merry-go-round at the moment. And leaping onto one of the dancing horses today is young Eve. We say thank you to young Hannah,

who was our star turn yesterday, and Eve is in today. How are you? I'm well, thank you. How are you? I'm very well indeed. You don't know what the latest podcast playlist is, do you? No, this was news to me when I came in this morning.

Okay. If I told you it featured River by Joni Mitchell, which comes in from Neil, the spinners, the rubber band man, which comes in from Haley. And Haley, I had to put that, straight on Spotify this morning and I loved every minute of it. We've had a suggestion of Rufus Wainwright as well

and I'll find all of the exact names and details and I'm thinking I might put in Diana Ross upside down. So what on earth is the premise? What do you think the title is? Anybody's guess? No, you're never going to get. No, no. Sounds quite fun though.

I'm in the cupboard at Christmas. Disco cupboard. It is a disco cupboard. It's a cupboard where you're going to go and spend, you're just going to chill hacks away from the family. So you're going to pretend that you need to go and fold laundry or there's a final present that you just can't find and you need half an hour to yourself

and then you're going to pop this playlist on and we're all going to think of each other and we'll get through it. So given that, could I charge you with choosing a track for yourself? So whenever I actually quite like to relax, or it's a bit more of a summer song, I quite like Jack Johnson, any Jack Johnson, but I quite like banana pancakes. Oh, well, that's a very good idea

because that just takes you straight to the beaches of Hawaiian and of Leltonist, doesn't it? That's a very good call. Okay, we'll bung that in. We might exclude Rosie, the executive. Sorry, Rosie. Producer. She chose crocodile rock, didn't she?

She asked for the playlist. And I don't know why, because I love Elton John. I absolutely love Elton John. I cannot stand that song. It gives me the proper, proper pick. So I think there was actually a story behind this. her friends left her house Sheephorned crocodile rock by herself really loud

And then her friends came back for whatever reason And found her just kind of solo dancing to her Brilliant Okay so no that makes sense And that fitted the podcast title I see what she's done there Well look it's quite probable that Rosie has at times found herself in a cupboard

She strikes me as a woman who likes to be in the cupboard sometimes So we might let her back in Depending on what the choice is She's claustrophobic. She's actually, that's not going to work at them. Oh, gee. I just realized. This is going straight to HR.

That's it. If I've cancelled myself. She might find herself in quite large coverage. Okay. That's a very good point, T. Oh, okay. Maybe we'll just, we won't tell her about this one. No.

Then we'll let her join in the next one. Yeah. I'm going to give young Jane Garvey a call. tonight as well and ask her to contribute a track because we don't want to leave her out of all of this fun and once again thank you for all of your very kind wishes which we are passing on to her although to be honest if you've sent chocolate for Christmas then that'll be eaten by the team if you sent best wishes that will be passed on to Jane ok-dokey so we've only got about another seven available spaces on the spotify playlist so if people would like to rush to it

what's the email address please eve Jane and Fee at times dot radio very good shall we move on to having lodgers this one comes in from Johanna who says my boyfriend and I bought our first flat in London early this year and stretched for a two bed with plans to take in a lodger at least in the short term we're in our mid-twenties

so most of our friends are in house shares anyway we've had plenty of experience of living with flatmates through university and in our earlier career We're constantly trying to navigate the dynamics of being a live-in landlord when we're far more used to being tenants. Our first lodger was a friend from uni, which ended up as a bit of a failed experiment, but luckily he wanted to go travelling,

so I always planned to move out fairly quickly. I do wonder whether he's listening now. We then found, I've just added that bit, not Johanna. We then found a total stranger on open rent who moved in after a 30-minute chat we had with her, where we all tried our best to vet each other. This so far has been a tremendous success and I'd like to say we are all becoming fast friends

just last week we put up all the Christmas decorations together in an evening filled with mulled wine, mince pies and Christmas music apart from the obvious bonus of being able to put a little extra towards the mortgage each month and someone being able to water the plants when we go away it's been a nice thing to have an extra person to catch up with over dinner at the end of the work day well I'm so delighted that that has worked out for you

because after just half an hour, that's not an awful lot of time to vet somebody, especially if you think everybody's being on their best behaviour. And the problem with living with people is on the surface, you know, they're lovely and wonderful, but it's the little habits, isn't it? And I mean, that's kind of okay with friends, because you can have a bit of a go at them knowing that there's stuff in the bank that allows you to do that. But I think with strangers, that must be very hard.

Yohanna's Spotify age was 85, and she's only 26. which I think might have your daughter Beach well it does well and truly there is a fantastic email about a Royal Academy of Music student who had a difficult time being a lodger in Switzerland which I'm going to save for tomorrow but we're just doing the happy ones today

Elizabeth says almost a year ago I rented an Airbnb room for a week when I was supposed to move into a flat round the corner from where I lived the Airbnb was in the town down from my village I met a kooky Australian living in a charming cottage with her Labrador we hit it off straight away I pulled out of the flat decided to move to said town and almost a year later

she's one of my closest friends and like my older sister we help each other out with dogs we go for coffee mornings and dog walks and we support each other through triumphs and challenges we also have other local friends with whom we do a weekly pub quiz just a little story of how Airbnb can bring the most unexpected life changes and new inspiring friendships I'll probably be in touch and want you to star in an advertisement

where you'll actually be real so that would be good we'd love more of those so do bung us an email if you'd like to another couple of parish notices as well can't find them now I'll do parish notices later

I'm sorry Eve that's very kind of you this one comes in from Jill from Dunbar who says thank you for having Louise Penny on your show a few weeks ago I'd read the Gamash series up to 14 and was delighted that there were others and so I treated myself to the newer ones

mostly second hand. I was poorly at this time and confined to the house while they sorted out what was wrong. Anyway, I started rereading from the beginning all the series and really enjoy getting to know the characters again, a real life saver. Up Hill Recovery Road, but with the help of Channel 4, we bought a village, etc. I'll get there. I wish everyone the power to survive the absurd craziness of this season and the stress we allow. ourselves to suffer. Well, I do hope you're from Dunbar that you will also expand your channel for viewing into the How to Win a Bed and Breakfast, which is culminating. It's galloping towards its finale at the end of the week eve, and I'm going to be rather bereft without it. But also,

one of our correspondents pointed out that it's not a B&B, so they start off down in the Dordaun. They're all in these beautiful, beautiful bed and breakfast. It's really hot, luscious open air markets, swimming pools Oh la la la la la Mist in the morning Marie all of that They may end up in northern France With a property that's very nice on the inside

I mean nobody would say no to it It's a former hotel Anyway it's right on the crossroads Literally it's on a road And it's when they pan out And they do their big drone shot It's quite a small hamlet I'd say

Have they been sold to it the dream? Well I think I suspect that let me just I don't have this carefully I think the gap between expectation and reality

it's often it can be a wonky step so true very fair I think maybe the hotel stopped operating as a hotel because everybody was going somewhere else that's what I'm going to say

I think it'd be really hard work to do a B&B there Did the show just run out of budget? Well, I just thought when they were showing the original Dordoyne ones with the swimming pool and stuff. I mean, obviously I googled most of them. And, you know, they were kind of, they were costing that 1.2 million euros. And I thought, well, I mean, that's a lot, isn't it, from Channel 4? Yes.

So not even a show hosted by Davina McCall is giving way £1.2 million on Channel 4 anymore. So I did think it was quite a lot. But the very best of luck to them. and they are all lovely people but some of them if you turned up as a bed and breakfast guest for the evening and they opened the door you might create a sudden emergency

that you had to leave very quickly to attend to oh this was the parish notice and I'm sorry Catherine because it's to do with the playlists so I'm not doing very well the playlist idea is terrific but when one of your correspondents commented she didn't have a subscription to Spotify

I thought why not put the playlist on YouTube because there it would be free and easily accessible to all. Is that possible, Eve? We can look into it. We can certainly look into it. Okay. So when you upload all of these things, that to me is just, literally, it's one tiny word. And I think, well, that's why it's uploading a photo. But is it more complicated. To be honest, I don't actually think it is. I think it was when we had our original massive playlist. Yeah.

That I think it became a bit fiddly. Yes, I'm with you. But I'm so out of my depth. So really don't take anything I say. Yeah. Okay. And as we said a couple of days ago, and I know it's extraordinarily exciting, and literally the post bag had nothing in it about visualization, but we are going to start visualization, aren't we, sometime in the next couple of months, which just means that there'll be cameras on us when we record the podcast, and so you'll be able to see us as well as hear us, which my jury's out on that, because all of the podcasts that I really love to listen to, now I see

the people and and I just know it's appealing to a different audience I can completely and utterly get that but I know that I'm always just slightly disappointed when I see people moving and talking who are just voices in my head I appreciate that especially if you're listening to this podcast kind of in a dark room you've got your own thing going on in your head but as someone who sits in the studio it's quite an enriching experience looking at the glances that you and Jane Oh, is it? Exchange. Okay, that's good to know.

I don't think they should be caught on camera at all. Blimey. So I think there's something to be said for that. Added layer. Okay, right. Note to self, practice in mirror. This comes in from Marcia.

He says a friend and I came to see you in North Berwick and really enjoyed the experience. We also love listening to Offer on Times Radio. I wonder whether North Berwick has been one of the episodes in Offer if I've missed it, could you please let me know the date it appeared? Now, this is a mystery, isn't it? Because North Berwick never appeared

on the podcast feed. It remains our secret episode which will only ever be known to people who attended the fringe by the sea event. So it was the best event we've ever done. It was the best podcast

episode we have ever done. I mean, it's basically just a rip of infectious laughter all the way through, it is only stopping to pause for moments of immense profundity, grace and dignity. What happened, Eve? Did you not press play and record at the same time? So we had every intention of putting that spectacular day out,

but when we had the file emailed over from the lovely people at North Berwick, it was, yeah, it was corrupted. words were missing so you'd kind of get the start of an anecdote and then just loads of laughter and it just best way you'd kind of just miss the punchline

it was really sad and we had wanted to put it out but something went wrong with the tech I'm afraid I'm really sorry it will never ever come good so our apologies to Marsha but do you know what we do hope to go back to Fringe by the Sea next summer because we had such lovely time

Judy Murray was our guest and she always plays along she's just really, really good company and we ended the event by all putting our hands in the air and giving our armpits a good airing because Judy Murray and this is the thing that's stayed with me ever since

so she said and I'd never thought about this before that we have stopped putting our arms in the air and over a certain age you just don't exercise your arms in that kind of way unless you're going to an exercise class where someone says, right, put your hands in the air.

You just don't do it anymore. Whereas as a kid, you're constantly climbing trees or you're doing monkey bars or you're in a playground or you're literally in school putting your hands up. You know, you have that kind of mobility with your shoulders and we lose our dexterity in our shoulders really, really quickly, especially as women, the frozen shoulder is such a thing during menopause. And it was just such a fantastic thing to point out

Because she says, you know, if you're laughing at pickleball or paddle or tennis or being reluctant about any of those things, it's actually a great form of exercise because it's one of the few forms of exercise that tests your shoulders in a kind of 360-degree way. So we put our hands up, our hands in the air, like we just didn't care, Eve. It was glorious. You're really robbing it in now for those things. The rest of it was shoyish. Right.

And you'll never know. what that was like. So we are going to carry on doing this. It's all to play for at the moment. So thank you for bearing with us. And just as I said yesterday, so sorry to be repetitive, but let's face it, that's character trait.

We will have different voices appearing in the interviews because I am presenting the afternoon show with a combination of Roya Nika and Rosie Wright. So the guest you're just about to hear, I've got thoughts about the expedition fraternity and I'll be very, very happy to entertain your thoughts about the expedition fraternity. Two, Rosie Writers in conversation with Spence Matthews,

who is a man, so he's part of a fraternity and he's got a lot of Gortex, so he's part of the expedition thing. Here we go. It's the man who made his name on Maiden Chelsea, heavy drinking, hard partying with the upper-class London elite, we could say, showing off about how many women he'd slept with. It's Spencer Matthews. The Spencer Matthews of today, though, has gone for a fairly hefty endurance athlete rebrand. Having climbed Everest in memory of his brother who died on the descent,

he also ran 30 marathons in 30 days in the desert for charity last year, he has just, two days ago, got back from completing Project 7. That was seven Ironman races in 21 days, one on each continent. that's broken a world record. He did all of this whilst his wife, Vogue Williams, was in Australia, competing in I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here. They've got three children, so how do you manage competing diaries, lives, and get ready for Christmas all in one?

He got back on Sunday. So when I spoke to him earlier today, I asked how he's feeling. I feel fantastic, delighted to be back, really missed the family when I was away. Vogue in particular, because we obviously weren't able to communicate at all for a period because she was doing, I'm a celeb. So kind of difficult to almost put into words how much you can miss someone when you're so used to chatting to them.

But no, great to see the kids. They surprise me at the airport. No, lovely. Lovely to be home, obviously. You were reunited with Vogue yesterday, I think. What was that like? Just lovely. You know, I feel very fortunate to be married to her.

We are kind of best friends as well and chat all the time, always together. So that's probably the longest we've gone without speaking. and met her at the airport and great to have her back. Very proud of her as well, you know, I thought she did great. You're both going through

extreme endurance challenges of a very different nature. Who gets to tell their story first? How do you work that out? I think we're equally curious about each other's experiences, I suppose. We had a really good catch-up in the cab. It was really strange throughout Project 7

not being able to share the kind of immense highs and lows with my wife. You know, she'd be the first person I'd call ordinarily. So, I don't know. We take it in turns, I suppose. But interesting to hear, certainly what she was getting up to. Yeah, shall we get into some of the nitty, gritty of what you were doing?

21 days, seven Ironmans. And for anyone who isn't familiar, you know, that's at least seven marathons plus a whole lot of cycling and swimming. Talk us through one Iron Man. Okay, so Iron Man distances are in kilometres, a 3.8 kilometre swim, which is roughly kind of 40 football fields then it's 180K on the bike so that's roughly like cycling from London to Manchester

and then a marathon which is 42.2K which is roughly the length of a marathon and you know it's when you pile them on top of each other it's pretty can be quite full on I think the average time for a man to complete an iron man especially considering most people prepare for them you know, in detail is about 12 and a half hours. These ever so slightly slower because, of course,

we were putting on our own events and had traffic lights and, you know, we weren't racing them necessarily. So I think my average was around 14 and a half hours, something like that, per event. One in each continent, seven of those. Started in London, then Arizona, then Cape Town, Perth, Dubai, Rio and eventually Antarctica,

all of which would be very memorable experiences if they weren't piled into one. And why would you put your body through something like that? A number of reasons, really. We were trying to discover the why fully, you know, during the course of documenting the experience and it kind of shape, shifts and changes. A big part of it was raising awareness and funds for James' place who help men in suicidal crisis.

They save thousands of lives and do incredible work. you know, in this country in particular, if you're 35 years old or younger, the most likely thing to kill you as a man is yourself, which I thought was a really shocking stat and interviewed Claire Milford Haven and Harry went with Stanley on Untapped and they took me through kind of some of the work that they do and I just felt compelled to do what we could to help them and obviously the men that were trying to help her suffered far more than I did throughout the course of the challenge or our suffering, I should say.

and so there was a big element of that that that helps in in the kind of really low difficult times when things are almost feel stacked against you and you're looking for any reason you can to kind of keep going that was a big one setting a good example to my kids you know i want them to grow up in a world where they have an appetite to take on difficult things i think it's a nice it's a privilege that i had in my childhood growing up with very competitive brothers who, you know, had a big appetite for adventure risk, you know, so I kind of always grew up thinking that I could do interesting things because they could. I find myself inspired by lots of great people, you know, Will Gouge setting the record for running across Australia was fantastic. Russ Cook running across Africa was amazing. So I think we're in like a really interesting time where, you know, normal in inverted commas people who are not professional athletes are kind of pulling off extraordinary, you know, adventures and tasks for good causes. Would you put yourself in that category? A normal person? This is sort of high endurance,

excellence, athleticism. I guess, but I'm not a professional athlete. So, you know, there are hundreds of thousands of triathletes who are better athletically than I am, who can complete an Iron Man far faster than I can. I think, you know, when you, when there's an element of creativity to it and you're doing something that hasn't really been done before, you can slow it all down a bit and it's less important. to be, you know, an athlete that, you know, is able to complete a, say, eight-hour Ironman or something that, you know, some people can do, which I'm nowhere near. You know, when you take your foot off the gas a bit and add to it, you know, I think Will and

Russ, if you're packaging the three of us into something that, you know, I think we're doing similar-ish stuff, would all say that they're not the best endurance athletes in the world. You know, there's, and I'm nowhere near that. You've definitely got grit, my goodness. Antarctica, talk to us about that because that was the bit you were most nervous of getting in the water when it was that cold with predators in the water.

What happened? Antarctica was, you know, is the jewel in the crown, right? That was the big one, left it till last on purpose because I kind of knew that if we tackled it first, that it's going to be the longest, the hardest, and it could be really disincentivising and also quite a high chance of getting stuck in Antarctica, so you know you could start the clock and then be stuck there for a few days.

You're also the most tired when you arrive. Yeah. The safety briefing through a real spanner in the works the night before the swim because I was kind of, I got myself to a place where I was relatively comfortable with it. You know, I've been fearing it for nine months and losing sleep over it because it is dangerous, you know. There's nowhere on Google that you could find it. a good idea, you know, to go swimming for an hour and a half plus in zero degree water.

And, you know, in the safety briefing, there was a bunch of Russian guys there, a bunch of Chilean guys there, not much humour kicking around, all very serious, you know, two boats, seven leopard seals spotters. I was like, well, how dangerous are the leopard seals? You know, I knew that they're obviously apex predators and dangerous, but I didn't actually think that there was going to be many of them around. And, you know, this Russian guy was like, if we weren't there creating a bit of a scene, with the boats and stuff they you know you would be toast 100% I was like oh great so you know

what would the leopard seals do they apparently grab you from the side and drag you uh to the sea floor as quickly as possible and essentially look to to drown you uh you know and the whole thing I mean it was then I started really thinking you know maybe maybe this isn't worth it and you know this is a really big thing and I knew it was a big thing anyway but it felt particularly threatening the night before and also the the weather was horrendous you know big storm the night before so we were in this small kind of what felt like quite a flimsy shack on top of this hill and the whole thing was shaking and I was just like this this feels dangerous now but it's kind of in those times where you have to um you know fully understand that

you knew this right this shouldn't come as a huge surprise the night before and you know you've spent a long time preparing in whatever way you can and now's a time to really back yourself you know i think walking into that water you've got a choice of how you feel you can feel out of your depth and you can feel frightened um you know or you can try and own the moment and think you know i am the guy for this job you know i can do it and i know i can do it um and i think you know I've described it as being similar to... I've had a couple of white-collar boxing fights. It's kind of like, if you walk into the ring

and you think you're going to lose and you're frightened and you're worried that the guy's going to beat you up, then, you know, typically that's what happens. Whereas like if, you know, even if it's a bit of bravado, if you can kind of just talk yourself into now's the moment. So the mentality is really important.

I think so, yeah. It's a huge part of it. Because, you know, by the... that stage, I'm obviously aware that I can swim 3.8K. But that cold, I mean, so cold. We all have the experience when your mouth is so cold, you can't talk properly. That's not after an hour and a half of being submerged in water where you're doing intense physical exercise. There was a little bit of light relief. Some penguins joined you. Yes. And I believe when Vogue saw the photograph of the penguins, she thought you'd put them there or it had been

photoshopped in or something. I literally couldn't believe my ears. So, like, we were chatting to each other, and she was like, is the penguin in the swimming photo real? And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, is it real? And I was like, what, you think I've superimposed the penguin on the photo? I was like, yeah, of course it's real. And she was like, oh my God, it looks fake.

And I was like, yeah, like, it's an extraordinary photo. And she was like, how did Matt take that photo at that exact time? And I was like, because he was snapping away and it happened to happen. And it's a lucky photo. Matt, I think, has entered that picture into some photography. competition. It's worth having a look at. It's very cool. But no, I kind of think, I was like, I wonder how many other people think that this is all just like made up. Yeah. It's interesting the dynamic between you two. She never thought

you weren't going to do it, I've heard. Now, when you're both looking at your diaries and you have just previously run 30 marathons in 30 days in the desert and you say, I want to do seven Iron Man's Vogue on every single continent in the world. And she says, I've been asked to do I'm a celebrity. Talk me through the conversations at the dining table or how do they happen to negotiate who does what, when? Right. So Project 7 was in consideration and being developed back in February. So, you know, I had... So you got in there first. Oh yeah, yeah. By a long way. And now I said to her, look, I'd love to do another challenge. You know, the 1330 was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

A lot changed for me in that desert and, you know, I really loved it, so I'd love to come up with something else. And I was inspired by a guy called Connor Enemy, who's the only other person in the world to have done all seven continents, an Iron Man in each. And I, you know, basically just wanted to race his idea. He spent a much longer period doing it just under four years.

And I thought it'd be interesting to see how quickly that could be done, which is kind of where the idea stem from. And started organizing it back in February. and was all kind of set in stone. It has been set in stone for a while. We put out the first trailer for it, like, in February because I was so impatient. And then, yeah, Vogue got the call-up for I'm a Celeb far more recently than that. And obviously, it's a tremendous opportunity if you're looking to be a television presenter

or certainly if you're looking to work with ITV, which I'm sure anyone who's looking to be a TV presenter would love. So it obviously felt like something that she should pursue. and yeah the timing was just deeply unfortunate but you know literally pretty much the identical days and Vogue was like can Project 7 move by like a couple of weeks and I was like I looked into it and it kind of it couldn't really is the thing because we had a very specific weather window for Antarctica a lot of it was prepaid to keep the budget as low as possible

and it just clashed unfortunately clash so you've got three kids how do you make manage that? Kids are at school most of the day. They have a wonderful relationship with my parents who were very fortunately around. Vogue's parents came and spent time at ours as well. They were there for kind of 10 days. Vogue's brother Alzo, who used to live with us, moved back in for two weeks. So, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, they have a tremendous support system. We're a very close family altogether, so, no, very lucky. I think the kids probably had a better time with us being away than us there. I think a few of the rules might have been loosened for the three

weeks that we were away. So it's kind of extended family to the rescue it sounded like. And there's obviously an extraordinary circumstance for you both to be away for such a long time. Spencer, this is such a different version of you than many people know of because they might have watched you on Made in Chelsea for years. And this was sort of, you know, that the antics were lots of heavy drinking, very promiscuous behaviour, showing off about promiscuous behaviour. Do you think the Spencer Matties of Maid in Chelsea could have fathomed that this was in your future? No, I don't think so.

I have always quietly admired endurance athletes and people who kind of push what's physically and mentally possible. Even as a very heavy drinker, a part of me was always quite fascinated by this space, although I felt I had no place in it. You know, when Michael died,

my brother's life was was was changed quite dramatically you know he he took up running and started and did many marathons and you know we started the michael matthews foundation which supports young girls in africa and he um tanzania more specifically and he um he started doing you know the marathon de sable and he raced across america and as a kid i can remember um really admiring him for that and even as a heavy drinking you know teenager or you know guy in his mid-20s, I would look at it and not fully understand it, but be very impressed by it. And even at the time, I had no idea that I would end up doing this. It took me changing my relationship with alcohol quite drastically to understand that I perhaps had potential

in this space. You know, I started prioritising my mental and physical health. I had a terrible relationship with alcohol for many years. And, you know, I'm pretty ashamed by a lot of my previous behaviour, but began to realise that, you know, that there was a real opportunity to feel pride and proud of myself and change almost my relationship with my family. And then the goals just got bigger and bigger, you know, like I ran a few marathons and did the Marathon de Sable and my brother's footsteps and really enjoyed it actually, kind of like, like found myself really enjoying it. And just then was really inspired by Russ Cook running across Africa and thought, you know, how many marathons could I run in a row? And that's kind of how it all started. And they're in sort of

like the marathon in inflation. I think for anyone who's on a marathon who feels quite pleaded with themselves, they don't really want to hear everything you're saying about what you've had to do to inflate the bigger challenge. You're now home for Christmas. You can spend time with your wife and your kids. But what is the next thing, the next world record to break? Oh, honestly, one thing I learnt in the challenge, particularly this one was to just to try and live in the present you know just because you could rev yourself up thinking they've got six more of these to do

and you know what's tomorrow's flight going to be like so I literally just dealt with what was directly in front of me at the time and that's kind of what I feel like at the moment it took a few weeks after the marathons to conjure this up I'm not really thinking about it at the moment I will develop something for 2026 I'm sure and, you know, hopefully support another fantastic cause. But no plans yet, to be honest.

Sounds like we should ask you in January, really. Yeah, yeah, I'll come back in if that's all right. When it's been less than 48 hours since touching back down, you are home for Christmas. What is your job when it comes to Christmas Day? Oh, not sure. I think we're... Who's in charge?

I think who's in charge? Vogue is in charge, I think, of kind of Christmas. Vogue loves Christmas. She, in fact, came home to a Christmas tree that was less than satisfactory. So we don't know, we've put the, her Christmas decorations, which she collects. She has stockpiles of Christmas decorations and buys Christmas decorations for the following year at a discounted price this year, right? So we've got next year's Christmas sorted, I think, already. and no she kind of took a look at the Christmas tree obviously I've been away as well and it was kind of it wasn't yeah so she has she's taken over she's in full Christmas mode

and I think to be honest I'm very happy to fall into into whatever she would like me to do for the day Spencer Matthews in conversation with Rosie Wright Eve are you an expedition kind of a girl two to three times a week

I jog a 5K around the local park Okay, well, that's impressive. No, that is. So no. Do you see a mountain and think I would just love to be at the top of that? I'd love the challenge of getting to the top of that. No, I think I see a mountain,

and I think that would be a lovely place to have a cafe at the base of and look at having a nice drink. And looking up as it all the time. I have no desire, no motivation, don't see myself ever doing any kind of... Because also, I remember from being a child, any kind of competition, things like that, gave me such a nervous tummy.

The anxiety ahead of those types of things doesn't appeal to me either. No. No, I'm completely with you. I'm completely with you. I'd be nervous about it. I'd find the duress, you know, that endurance thing,

which some people just seem to get off on. I just don't want to do that. I don't want to be close to the edge of life and death. I mean, ever Until I really have to be I don't enjoy that sensation Yeah, but when I got to the top I don't know

Would I feel better about myself Would I feel better about the world You'd feel knackard Oh yeah, I can't guarantee that At all So if there's no guarantee Why and I'll bother Yep

But so much respect for everyone Totally Who does it Oh totally Totally Yes No that's marvellous and especially if you're raising money for charity

but yeah I mean I would rather just go back to my quilting I have started the quilting but it's not going very well Now we've got to do No this no No Okay

No When I knitted and I went through a phase of knitting I was very very bad I'm just not very good at detail and kind of colouring up to the edges My sister always said that that was my fatal character floor When I was knitting I just knitted out of generosity

and I just kept on giving lots of baby grows because it was around the time when all of my friends were having babies and some of them, they stopped having children just to avoid the knitwear coming their way so nobody needs to see the quilting too. Right, could you please open? Now we've got a lot to get through.

Got a bit of a backlog. Hetty's Advent calendar. So I think we last did five. Five, I think you're right. So shall I do two? Yes, please. Okay, so the sixth. Good sound effect.

Very good. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. So there was two tea bags in here. But I think one of them's got trapped in the doors, so I've just tried to pull it away and it's ripped open. So there's just loose tea leaves everywhere. Oh, okay. Oh, no, they're mauled wine tea bags. Actually, they smell very nice. Enjoy some mulled wine, place sashet in a large sauce burn, add water, brown sugar. Oh, there's a recipe to make mold wine. So we now have enough to make one and a half. One and a half. Well, that's good. You can have that one. It's going everywhere, but it smells really good. Yep. The seventh. Seventh.

Da-da-la-da-da-da-da-da-da. I should have sung something Christmas, sorry. Oh, this is so creative. It is a paper template to make a, you're in snowflake. Oh, my goodness. How to do it. Hessey, this is extraordinary. It is really extraordinary.

You should be selling these. Yep, no, these are so, so thoughtful. And don't worry, I'm going to take the Greg's, voucher with me down to the tube on my way home from work today. So that will go to a good home. So what am I on? I'm on seven. I think eight to nine.

Eight and nine. And you should probably do ten as well as we're. Oh. In at number eight, it's a task for me. Donate three things to a charity shop. Do you know what? Some baby girls. Well, no.

Honestly, I felt really sorry for my friends because they had to put their babies in these terrible things whenever I came around. and they just, they were awful. I bet they were sweet. No, they weren't. They were just terrible. I did take some things to the charity shop last night,

that fantastic kind of bag of weirdness. There was our entire collection of Stephen Hawking DVDs. What? Unopened. And a couple of kind of huge cuddly toys which talked to you if you pressed different parts of their body. I must have been in one big bag. It's quite creepy.

Yeah, in one very big bag. And then some quite odd tablecloths. But I'll try and find some better things and I'll take them down there myself. Where's number nine? Talk amongst yourself. Oh, here we go. It's right up at the top.

Let someone go in front of you in the lunch queue. What you mean? Let someone have a wee in front of me in the lunch queue. Let someone go, let someone... Different intonation. Let someone go in front of you in the lunch queue. I should have done that yesterday. it was free Christmas lunch.

The cues are very big at the moment. Huge. Okay, well, I will do both of those things, Hetty, and we will carry on opening this. Which number are you on? Nine. Do you want to do ten today? No.

No, I think it's too much. Sorry. Sorry. And also, I've just had a quick look. It's one for Jane. I'd tell you what I might do. If I speak to Jane later, I might get her to... I might tell her about that.

Okay. Right, everybody. So we'd love more stories about lodgers. We would love thoughts about anything that's happening on Channel 4. Is anybody else re-watching both the night manager and line of duty in order to remind themselves what happened before both of those series come back?

The night manager was last on. Are you a fan of the night manager? I'm not sorry. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I thought it was last on a couple of years ago. But it's on 10 years ago. It's taken them 10 years to make a remake. Yeah.

I know. And is this going to be set 10 years in the future from there? I don't know. but I'm sure Tom's still looking good. Right, Jane and Fee at Times.com Radio, thank you for bearing with this. We will talk to you again tomorrow. Congratulations, you've staggered somehow to the end of another off-air with Jane and Fee. you. If you'd like to hear us do this live, and we do do it live every day, Monday to Thursday,

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