Off Air... with Jane and Fi - Warning: May contain some politics (with Matt Chorley)

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

In case you haven't heard (you must be the only one), Jane is in Redcar on the election bus. Times Radio's Matt Chorley fills in today as a double threat: co-presenter and guest. Fi and Matt chat wrap-around ads, shy righties and Trump. Our next book club pick has been announced! 'Missing, Presumed' is by Susie Steiner. If you want to contact the show to ask a question and get involved in the conversation then please email us: [e-mail] us on Instagram! @janeandfiPodcast Producer: Eve SalusburyExecutive Producer: Rosie Cutler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Are you thinking of David Hasselhoff? Because I know you often are. I've tried, I've had therapy for that. So we've got a surprise performer for you tonight, ladies and gentlemen. And it is a man. I am sorry about that. I just want to make sure that people are aware of this. So it's a little bit like, you know,

when you choose a film on Netflix, you have to say what it contains. So this podcast contains men. I think we'll be all right, though. Do you want to introduce yourself to people who might not be familiar with the Times Radio schedule? Yeah.

Or best-selling books in brackets, political what's whatsits, or comedy performers touring around the UK. Regional art centres. Mainly named after shapes. Yep, on a Monday night. Who are you? Sorry, yeah, I am Matt Chorley. I do the mornings,

the mid-mornings on the Times Radio. And we occasionally share the airways. You come on come on well you've got a coffee break section yeah which jane and i kind of take it in turns but actually that's turned into a bit of a kind of um what was that what was the the music show where you used to just play lots of records and everybody would discuss it round something. Round the horn? No. No, that's not.

Round news. Pick of the pops. Oh, it'll come to me. Old grey whistle test. No. You play a lot of music now on the coffee break, and sometimes I think that you ask people on just because you want to play a bit of music, not because you really want to talk about it.

I think times really be better with more records. I think so. Yeah. I've been quite surprised Andrew Neil's music choices have shocked me. Yes, well they've been very I think the right term is eclectic. Yeah, we had Italian rap last week. And you had a

Lou Reed track, didn't you? Yeah. What did he play today? I didn't hear that. Oh, we didn't have it today because of, um, what's his name? Rishi Sunak. That one. He was launching the manifesto. We dropped everything so we could go live to Rishi Sunak. That one. He was launching the manifesto. We dropped everything so he could go live to Rishi Sunak at... Silverstone. At Silverstone at 11.30.

And after a lot of faffing about, and then a bit of Gillian Keegan and a bit of Ben Houchen, he finally turned about five to twelve. So at one point, I just had to talk for ten minutes commentating on a room of people being handed a document

that may or may not ever produce anything. So Matt's show is political and your catchphrase is politics without the boring bits, it's turned into an election without the boring bits.

So we weren't going to talk about politics at all on the podcast but because you're here and we think probably you're here, and we think probably you're a one-trick pony, maybe we should. I don't mean it at all. How are you finding the election? Do you know what gets on my wick?

Yes. Is political journalists who moan about politics. And they're like, ooh, there's only three more weeks of this. Ooh, best of luck, everyone. This is our World Cup. Why, you know, it's exciting. Even if the polls suggest it's a foregone conclusion, stuff happens every day that we will remember.

And if we cannot be excited about it and enthuse people and get people into it, then don't do it, because loads of other people would like to do it. That is a very good point, and it's really been noted. Yeah, thank you. Well, it has been quite a campaign so far, though. Yeah. I mean, it's had some enormous bumps in it, hasn't it? Yeah, and moments, whether it was the rain when he announced it,

or, you know, the Diane Abbott stuff, Nigel Farage joining the race, D-Day, unexpected, unplanned moments, which get people talking and get people interested. I think that's a good thing. Yeah, and also we, you know, if you want to be excited by change, you could be very excited by this election if you chose to be. So we've been popping everybody into our little election booth on the programme, so I'm going to do that to you now.

So first political memory. Yeah. I think it was a... I definitely remember budgets in our house. We had a little telly in the kitchen, and it didn't come on very often, but it was to watch the 6 o'clock news to find out what basically happened to Boothze and fags so there's a bit of

that i think i think i remember the berlin wall coming down possibly but you know i was might be about 708 then so i'm now 41 okay so i was born in 82 so sort of late 80s. I think I sort of remember the Berlin Wall. Yeah. Maybe, I think I remember Thatcher leaving. There was always the news on me. There was always a paper in the house, the Western Daily Press. Excellent. There was a paper of choice in our house. All the news through the prism of West Country people.

Oh, that's the best prism to have, isn't it? Yeah. One of my flatmates, housemates at university, when the Berlin Wall started to be clawed at and clawed down, because that's what happened initially, he was so moved by it and wanted to be part of it, he got in his quite dilapidated Nissan and he drove to Berlin. Really?

Yep. He just said, I've got to see this. It's so momentous. And his family was Jewish. He was Jewish. His family had lived in North London. And obviously they had a history running through their family that meant Germany was just such a key part of all of their memories. And he just couldn't bear to not be there to witness this thing.

So it really, really stuck with me. I just thought, wow, actually, it's not something from the history books. You know, this is my friend and he needs to be there to see it. And he came back, you know, with chunks of it. Yeah. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Real chunks. I suppose they probably were, weren't they?

Oh, yes, yes, yes. I only went to Berlin for the first time last summer. We went interweaving as a family to tick off as many... My daughter's got one of those maps where you scratch off the country, so she was very pleased about the country. And trying to explain to her what the Berlin Wall was, and it was just a really weird... It actually was very moving.

There's a bit where you can go and see where it's still there in the various sections. You go up and sort of look down. It's completely mad that that happened within my lifetime. Yeah, it is. And the fact that you could have a city that had two such different ways of life

just within spitting distance of each other. People's front doors were bricked up because their house suddenly became the front line. Which is the Elton John video that features Checkpoint Charlie? Is that him standing, does he stand on the top of the wall?

You don't know, you're testing me. There's something there, because Matt is a really, really big Elton John fan. I'm a huge Elton John fan. It's not I'm still standing, is it? Well, I don't know, because then he's in... No, because that's on Miami Beach, isn't it? Yeah, then he's in the back of an open-top car,

isn't he, wearing a kind of almost like a... Like a straw boater. Yeah, something weird. We'll find out. Anyway, look, Matt, it's lovely to have you here. Are you thinking of David Hasselhoff? Because I know you often are. I've tried.

I've had therapy for that. Is it Nikita? Yes, it is Nikita. It might be Nikita, yeah. So am I linking Nikita to a different world event? No, no, no, no. Nikita is his Cold War ballad. Yeah.

Westerner falls in love with an East German citizen. Yeah, that's the one. He's not allowed to cross the Berlin Wall, there we are. He's a real teller of time, isn't he, Elton? He is, though. Yeah, it's just, I think he's extraordinary, too. So you've had

a look through our emails. What do you think of this podcast? Do you ever listen to it? I do listen to it. Do you? Well, because I quite often can't listen to your show because I'm often being tasked with work of my own. No, no, just because the time that you're on is normally when I've had a bit of lunch and then they've got me doing some more work,

a bit of recording or meetings and what else. So, yeah, I do listen. I've messaged you before when I've been listening to your podcast when you've amused me for often being rude about someone. Okay. And I have lots of friends who are obsessed. Oh, well, that's good. Yeah.

Okay, well, you're very welcome. One of them is desperate to get hold of one of your cloth bags. Oh, our tote bags? Yeah. Okay, well, I mean, if they've introduced a friend to the podcast, then, because that's the matrix by which we're awarding well actually so it's my friend suzy her sister yeah katie yeah was her birthday she wanted a cloth bag so if i said that katie'd introduced suzy to the podcast would that count no right let's get on with it i tried that's

literally proof that i tried we've got a huge queue for the totes, haven't we, Eve? Eve's a bit bored of the totes. Sorry. Are you making them yourself, personally? Screen printing, potatoes. No, she only has to post them. She doesn't even have to go to the post office and stand in a queue and buy the stamps.

You have to send emails. Send emails, it's so complicated, isn't it? I remember little Callum MacDonald, when he used to do early breakfast on Times Radio. He had, I think, 500 COVID masks with the Times Radio logo on and personally posted each one to listeners. Take note, Eve. I think literally in the middle of him doing it,

they announced we didn't have to wear them anymore. So be glad of that. Oh, Callum, he's a really hard worker isn't he he's one of those really weird people as well wherever i go in life somebody knows callum mcdonald do you find that yeah i did an interview with someone today you knew very well connected somebody in a pub in hackney you knew him i mean he's just got around right let's do some emails then where do you want to start now explain to me this issue about wraparound ads which i as i know i now know having read them all it hadn't really occurred to me before but people listening to the podcast

will be getting different ads depending on where they are yes due to the modern technology yeah yeah so we were just intrigued as to what is being thrust in a commercial sense of people whilst they wait for this amazing high quality content, well, Ruth says she's listening in France, a well-known brand of nappies, which makes her laugh every time. You know, I think because... Well, Jane and I are quite far past the needing nappies for our babies.

No, but the people who I know listen, they're younger people. Are they? Yeah. OK, that's good to know. Sort of in the nappy area. OK. Right, you pick one. Oh, this was quite Okay, that's good to know. Sort of in the nappy area. Okay. Right, you pick one.

Oh, this was quite good because this is an international listener. Suzanne in Australia. She says, I'm a tragic who listens to you every night. That's not tragic, is it? While doing lady things, i.e. peeling the spuds

and throwing prawns on the barbecue. I think that's really a man job if you don't mind me saying so, Suzanne. After busy days of other lady things like being a lawyer. Love the podcast and your common sense approach to politics. In answer to today's question about what wraps around your podcast, today for Sydney it was a community

service ad for the North... What's that? North, South? What's NSW mean in Australia? New South Wales. New South Wales. North South Wales. Doesn't make any sense. That'll be the middle. About coercive control and domestic violence. And then bizarrely an ad for a show on Apple TV about what seemed to be a very dysfunctional romance.

Oh, OK. Well, that's a bit chalk and cheese, that, isn't it? Something for everyone. Yeah. Daughters of a bowist and a florist. OK. They've all done very well. In a nutshell, insurance and Apple TV,

says Sasha, who's in Perth. As for early memories, I grew up in a very conservative, big C, town in Essex. I remember when in the early 90s, the MP Eric Pickles. He was a large gentleman, wasn't he, Mr Pickles? Unfairly bullied by George Osborne and others.

They used to make jokes about him being fat. Did they? Yeah. I didn't realise that. I think David Cameron might have even done it once. I feel bad for mentioning his size now. And then he lost loads of weight, and his diet was no chips, no cheese, no second helpings. That was it. Well, that's good.

Yeah. But his photo was on the front page of the Brentwood Gazette. My mum commented aloud she couldn't believe he was only 59 as he looked so much older. The next week, the newspaper published an apology as they didn't get his age wrong, and he was in fact 39. Oh, how my mother chortled. She was a Labour supporter through and through.

It still makes me smile today. We've been discussing shy Tories. Yes. Because it's such a term, isn't it, shy Tories? And we wondered, and you can actually answer this for us, at this election, would there be the same squidgy element who would be shy Labour voters, people who don't want to admit that they are voting Labour

or even kind of know that they're voting Labour until they get in the booth? I think the shyness has been overtaken by technology because previously polling especially was done by either knocking on people's doors or phoning them up. And people in the early 90s might have been embarrassed about telling somebody on the phone or on the doorstep

who they were voting for. Whereas now, most polls are done online, using a sort of online survey. So no, you're not telling another person. So I think the social... Stigma. Stigma, were there to be one, probably isn't the same. That's really interesting.

So we've just got much more accurate polling then as well. Well, we'll see. I mean, that's the big question. I mean, there are a lot of don't knows. If you dig into the polling, I think it's about one in five people say they don't know. And interestingly, the last time I looked, don't knows was much higher amongst older people than younger people, which you'd think normally the older people,

they know how they're going to vote. And so there's a feeling, though particularly the older, I think it was about 20, 25% I think, of over 65 say they don't know. There's a feeling that they probably are going to end up voting Tory, but they just haven't told themselves yet. Or they might not vote.

They might just say, I'm going to sit this one out, traditional Tory voters. So my hunch is shyness is less of a thing than it was. Yeah. Well, I do hope that the over 65s do bother to vote because it would strike me, and I'm saying this in an apolitical way, Matt, that so many of the policies that have been announced

and actually this whole election is, you know, is facing that demographic. I think if you're a young person, a first-time voter, and all the things that you're concerned about, they're not really featuring very much, are they? Yeah, you're right, actually. And it's also partly because Fleet Street focuses on those people because they're the people still buying newspapers.

So sort of pension quadruple lock gets on the front pages. First time help to buy and all that sort of stuff, maybe not so much. But yeah, you're right. I think the cynicism, particularly the Conservative Party, and just aiming national services and other parts of that, we're going to quadruple lock your pension and we're going to make those lazy kids get out in whatever it was, clean an ambulance.

Right, so this was about shy righties. It comes from Kate Clark who says it's simple. It's because voting in the direction of a party that favours some redistribution of wealth away from those who were born into it and towards people who have to live from their work is a morally defensible position, even if you don't agree with it.

Whereas voting to keep the money where it is, especially in a very classist society like Britain, is morally questionable, even shameful. Silence serves those who are benefiting from the status quo. Do you know what? I feel better for just having read that out loud. I didn't

totally follow it, but it was important. Very good, Matt. That's all you need to know. What have you got? Stop bashing Trump. I liked this one because I assumed that your listeners were all lovely big fans of the pod. I thought I was the only one who got

a cross. Oh no, we get some cross ones. Stop bashing... I was thinking, stop listening. I don't know, some people like a little bit of pain. Stop bashing Trump, says Julie. You present... It's a bit annoying.

You present as ill-informed and plain nasty. Otherwise, love the show. Yeah, see, that doesn't help. I find that a little bit difficult because it's a little bit... You know, someone's come along and they've slapped you and then they've just gently rubbed your cheek afterwards. I don't want to judge Julie, but...

Well, you're going to. But whenever... Because I get similar things into the show and our podcast. It's what Julie basically means. She agrees with you on everything else and she disagrees with you on this thing and therefore you must be ill-informed rather than just having a difference of opinion.

Well, and I know where it came from. It was a question to John Ronson about whether or not Trump creates a Trump-shaped hole into which somebody, and I think I did did say as dreadful as donald trump will always now be able to shine or whether he's just a one-off terribly dreadful person so that obviously got julie's uh go to but he's now being convicted of 34 you know crimes i mean that that by definition does make him dreadful there was a interesting and we don't like to talk about the bbc on here do we but i think the bbc have changed their style guide because now he's a convicted felon he's now just trump not mr trump uh because like he is now a

convict and so you know in the same way they're writing up court cases it's he doesn't need the respect not yes yeah but i've got a feeling as well that, you know, when we judge history, we will judge journalism quite badly in terms of how Trump was first welcomed onto the national and then international and then global world domination scale. Because there was a point at which, you know,

you could have done a piece about him and, you know, whoever it was who was reading the news or presenting the programme could just have shrugged and moved on and not said anything and people would almost have thought it was a comedy piece. But we took him seriously right from the very get-go. But also, I think, particularly American journalism, the papers, especially Washington Post, New York Times,

went so over the top. They latched onto every tiny thing. Actually, I think that's how he's turned everything to his advantage, because some of it wasn't, you know, it was exaggerated, it wasn't true, it was completely out of proportion. And so he's leaned into that. It's like, we got that wrong, so

they must be wrong about the big stuff. And I think that is the risk where essentially left-leaning elite journalists actually became players in the whole thing, essentially, left-leaning elite journalists actually became players in the whole thing rather than just reporting it. Yeah, no, I agree. And because there was something patronising going on as well, wasn't there?

Which is kind of like, he's so stupid, he's so orange, he's so on reality TV, he couldn't possibly be a threat. And only a stupid person would fall for it. So Julie will be spitting feathers by now. Oh my gosh. So Eve has just handed me a phone with some breaking news and it's that Hunter Biden

has been found guilty of federal gun crimes and now facing a possible prison term and that is news indeed but also what a great photograph you've got on your phone. Look at that. Is that you bombing in a swimming pool? I hope there wasn't a sign up about no bombing

or heavy petting. Good point, Matt Chorley. Always stick to the rules. Yeah, exactly. They're there for a reason. Something really spooky happened to me yesterday, Matt. By the way, this is an email special. There's no guest. In case you think, oh my god, when are they going to get to a guest?

There's no guest at all. Am I not the guest? You are the guest. You're doubling up. Yes. No, well, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, you are.

It sounds so professional when I listen to it, but it's nice. Don't be silly. Most people listen to this as a sleep aid, so we can get away with anything we like. Can you do that? Can you sleep with an air pod in? No, no, no. Or other air? No. No, can't do that.

I can't even listen to something when I'm going to sleep. This is about High Country, which is an Australian television series. And yesterday I asked our Australian contingent whether or not it was so good that I should get myself an international VPN in order to be able to watch it. And this one comes from Julia in Brisbane. Hello, Julia, listening at 4am.

Thank you for taking the time to write in to say yes, you absolutely should because it's really cracking. But, Julia, so spooky, switched on my phone this morning. The first thing that came up on my prompts was the fact that the bbc bought high country that's interesting it's going to be available on the bbc4 we've been watching a lot of australian

comedy fisk fisk we enjoyed fisk we watched uh well mania that was very good oh that's the woman who tries out every type of yeah which i think it's And it felt a bit like it had been pitched as one thing and then it became something else. So she's Australian, she lives in New York and I think she's a food writer and she's landed a big job on a foodie TV show, sort of X Factor for food.

She pops home to Australia to go to her brother's wedding and then loses her passport so then she's stuck there and she needs to basically sort her life out. So she tries all these wellness things but it's not really what it's about.

It's just a funny, you know, somebody going a bit off the rails. But that was great and there's another one. Oh, the dog one. Colin from Accounts.

Oh, Colin from Accounts. That's also really good. Oh, I love Colin from Accounts. Yeah. But it's weird because obviously they're quite a long way away but the sensibility

of the comedy is more British, I think, than a lot of American sitcoms. Very much so. I would agree. And also just a little bit cleverer. Dryer. Very dry, yeah.

I just really love all of their dramas as well. I can't think of any Australian dramas. Mystery Road is a really, really good one. I'm going to write that down. Yeah, you should. Starring Aaron Pedersen, I think I've got that right. I've watched Australian dramas since Neighbours. OK, well, you should definitely dig into Mystery Road.

It's very good. Mrs Mangle fell off a ladder, do you remember? Mrs Mangle. Good God. Right, people not listening to the news. This is in from Sue McMahon. You were talking recently about people missing out by not listening to the news.

My daughter refuses to have any news on her phone. She doesn't watch it on TV. Three years ago, she picked up her son from primary school, and he asked her if she'd seen that a plane had flown into a tall building in America. She was dumbstruck and decided she had to look at the news because she hadn't realised that it had happened again. But actually what he was watching was the 20th anniversary of 9-11. He'd been watching Newsround at school

and Sue says, I've checked and she does know there's an election coming up. When the Queen died, I sent her a message as she was teaching and I didn't want her to go into school the next morning not knowing. Now that was the bit that alarmed me. I sent her a message as she was teaching. I think it'd be quite good if teachers were a bit across what was going

on in the world, wouldn't it? Well, I don't know what age she's teaching, because actually if you're teaching tiny, tiny kids, you don't, do you? But they might ask a question. They might, yeah. That alarmed me. Do you think you could live without the news? Because you are a political junkie.

No, I couldn't live without the news.? Because you are a political junkie. No, I couldn't live without the news. I'm not really a political junkie. I sort of blow a bit hot and cold with it all. I had a week off after the election was called. I had a week off and quite enjoyed consuming it like a normal member of the public. It was basically a bit of Diane Abbott and a lot of Ed Davey. That was my consumption of the election.

But if you weren't doing the job, if you weren't doing the day job, then you would have a hunger for it, wouldn't you? Yeah. I mean, I can understand you might sometimes get to saturation point here. That's basically what it is. Every sort of you do a little break. But yeah, I can't imagine not having the news. What does alternative Matt Chorley do,

the one who didn't make it to the starry heights of political punditry and presenting? Good question. They did ask me once when I was working in H Samuel if I wanted to join the management ladder. It was when they asked me if I wanted training in piercing ears that I resigned. I thought, that's not a... Not for you? Not for me.

I quite liked working in a shop, though. OK. Walking up and down the H Samuel, swinging my keys. H Samuel has always struck me as it would be a frustrating place to work, though, don't you think? Because there's just so much dusting to do. You've got to take out all of the little individual things every night. That would just feel a little bit like home from home.

In fact, talking of 9-11, I was working at H Samuel on 9-11 in the Taunton branch and we had a phone call from the Yeovil branch to say someone had flown a plane into one of the towers at Wembley. The twin towers of Wembley. Oh, right.

Gosh, well, that's not a lot. Crossed wires. It wasn't until I got home that I discovered that Wembley was still standing. Yes, good. Well, I don't know what to say. I discovered that Wembley was still standing. Yes, good. Well, I don't know what to say. No, I'm just not going to say anything. Well, it's different because, you know, coming back to news,

you know, you're getting your buzzy things on your phone and all that. That's how you found out the news. Yeah, that's very true. People phoned you up and gave it to you incorrectly. Yeah. You know, with the ear piercing thing, I wouldn't be able to do that either because there's also a very weird sound that is specific to the ear piercing when the earring goes through a lobe. I mean, it's not a...

But it's something different going on, and I wouldn't be able to hear that every day. But don't you sometimes wonder about how people train to be tattooists? Because when is the time at which you go, yes, I can do this, off we toddle? Do they do it on pigs? I don't know. I honestly don't know know I'd like to know

yeah because you must have a couple of really dodgy ear piercing sessions but it doesn't matter because the person it doesn't matter if your ear

slightly off I went and had a free haircut once from a you know for the students but it wasn't it wasn't perfect

but it was fine it was going to grow back I was stuck with it for the rest of my life. The tattooing. Yeah, could you draw a joint of meat? Maybe. Our lovely listeners will know,

we've had quite a funny theme recently, haven't we, about tattoos that don't match. And somebody had on their torso, I can't remember what the first thing was, but it was like an eagle, a golden eagle or something, and then on the other side of their torso they had Anne Hathaway's cottage. That is what makes...

What's Anne Hathaway's cottage? Anne Hathaway's cottage. Oh, as in Anne Hathaway's William Shakespeare? Yes. Oh, I thought you meant the actress. They've been on Mike Move and downloaded that. Actually, it might have been that. It's even stranger. Well, look, it's been absolutely lovely to have you.

We've got to go because there are queues of people outside the studio. But do you want to say anything else before you go? Yes, so it turns out, while we've been talking, it turns out I've completely missed Katie's birthday anyway, so don't worry about it, it's fine. Who wanted a bag? So she's a super fan. Don't worry, she says.

Oh, OK. Right, well. So it's fine. I'm sorry to hear that. Anyway, I've enjoyed it. she says oh okay right well so it's fine I'm sorry to hear that I've enjoyed it it's been nice yes it's been very nice and now you'll have to

come and be me when I'm away so it's fair for Jane are you going on the bus no I'm not on the bus because I've got these children at home doing their A levels

and GCSEs and I don't want to sound too creepy but times have already been really nice actually about the fact that the election was called and so many people had plans Matt didn't they?

How is it? It's fine. Not the election, how's the exams? The exams, they're absolutely fine and they finish on Friday but it does mean that I couldn't go on the bus. Have you got post-it notes all over the kitchen and the bathroom? No, they've kept it quite contained to their own rooms but they very seldom have come out of their rooms and they really, but they very seldom have come out of their rooms

and they really, really, really need to come out of their rooms. A bit fusty. Yes, very, very fusty. And actually, I'll tell you what, I'm going to save Ruth's lovely email about a tick crawling up her leg for maybe we'll do an infestation special. Trailing ahead, lovely.

Yeah, so much to look forward to. Do you know, they thought there was bedbugs in the studio. Oh, no, don't... But it turned out it wasn't. It turned out it wasn't.'t no don't start that again don't start that again please because we were told really really told it was like one of the biggest ndas that jade and i've ever had to sign we could not ever say that somebody found a bed bug in here but they didn't oh it was um fruit gnats and on that bombshell we say say goodbye, Matt Chorley. It's been lovely.

Thank you very much indeed. Jane is back from Redcar tomorrow. So normal service resumes. And we need to know things about being a beginner tattooist and any other Australian documentary, drama, comedy suggestions will be gratefully received. Good night. Well done for getting to the end of another episode

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